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Message: [blank] Sweet book? He never talked to anyone who knew anything direct as in Walter or Donald - maybe Pete's version of Metal Leg has the real answer.
Seriously though, Gordon's got this tight, pulsating almost like a Type A Purdie thing going down, that easy to hear when he moves across the kit (ex. 0.58-1:00 in Rikki or 0.45 in Pretzel Logic). Both Hodder and Porcaro have a little shuffle thing, but Hodder's is more annoying (almost like a minidrum roll) and has a weak snare and this cymbal/hi-hat? thing going on (check out the beginning of The Boston Rag from CTE. Night By Night sounded more like Hodder - it could be Gordon or Porcaro mixed a little lower than say on PL?, Any Major Dude has a shuffle too, yeah - it sounds too good to be Hodder - that might be Porcaro. The little thing going from the snare to cymbals at 0:57 (end of 1st chorus, repeated at the end of 2nd is really, really cool). There's the shuffle thing at 0:57 in Barrytown - drums mixed low here too, but tight Charlie Freak - I have no f**ing idea, I just don't like the song that much (only Dan song that gives me the Ipecac), though my daughter digs the sleigh bells - must be some kind of transferrence on my part. I'd like to hear others thoughts here.
Ahhh...I hear a shuffle thing in the left channel (0.02 sec in) in Parker's Band - is that Porcaro? ...trying to buy a clue from Bodi live which features Hodder & Porcaro, but hypnotized by McDonald's and Royce Jones vocals...
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Message: According to the Brian Sweet book, Jim Hodder didn't play drums at all on Pretzel Logic, only did some background vocals. It's all either Jim Gordon or Jeff Porcaro - on Parker's Band, it's both.
User: ¦ - brainwashed by the satellite; brainwashed by turkey meat | Month: 10 | Day: 30
Message: OK, the last of the mystery middle 3 reverse engineering revolving musical credits. Lots of guesses here. As usual the invaluable input of the Dan denizens is most appreciated. After some consensus is reached, I'll re-post guesstimates for Royal, Katy, and Pretzel en masse...
PRETZEL LOGIC
Rikki DonÆt Lose That Number:
Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Walter Becker
Acoustic Guitar: Dean
Parks
Electric Guitar & Solo: Skunk Baxter
Piano: Michael
Omartian
Flapamba: Victor Feldman
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit
Night By Night:
Drums: Jim Hodder
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Skunk Baxter
(solo)
Walter Becker
Clavinet?: David Paich
Percussion: Victor
Feldman
Sax: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Trumpet: Ollie
Mitchell
Trombone: Lew McCreary
Clarinet: Jerome Richardson
Backing
Vocals: Tim Schmit, (Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews?? û
uncredited)
Any Major Dude:
Drums: Jim Hodder?
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Acoustic Guitars: Dean Parks, Ben
Benay
Electric guitars: Denny Dias (left channel); Skunk Baxter
Fender
Rhodes: Michael Omartian?
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine):
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen,
Barrytown:
Drums: Jim Hodder
Bass: Walter Becker
Acoustic guitar: Ben
Benay
Electric Guitars: Denny Dias, Dean Parks
Pedal Steel guitar: Skunk
Baxter (last verse)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman
(tambourine)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit
East St. Louis Toodle-oo
Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Walter Becker
Wah-wah Guitar: Walter
Becker
Banjo: Dean Parks
Piano: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald
Fagen
Alto Sax: Donald Fagen
ParkerÆs Band:
Drums: Jim Gordon (right channel?) & Jeff Porcaro (left
channel?)
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Denny Dias (left channel), Dean
Parks, Walter Becker
Piano: Michale Mmartian
Organ: Donald
Fagen
Dueling Saxes: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Backing Vocals: Donald
Fagen, Tim Schmit, (female - Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews??)
Through With Buzz:
Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender
Rhodes: David Paich?
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen
Orchestration by Jimmie Haskell
Pretzel Logic:
Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Wilton Felder? (great cat walk that recapitulates
the Rhodes theme during the instrumental break)
Guitar: Walter Becker (solo)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen (left channel),
Michael Omartian (right channel)
Sax: Plas Johnson
Trumpet: Ollie
Mitchell
Trombone: Lew McCreary
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit
With a Gun:
Drums: Jim Gordon?
Bass: Walter Becker
Acoustic Guitars: Dean Parks,
Ben Benay
Electric Guitars: Skunk Baxter (good Western flavor)
Percussion:
Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit
Charlie Freak:
Drums: Jim Hodder
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Walter Becker? (left
channel)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen (left
channel)
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine, jingle bells, triangle @
1:52 mark?)
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen
Monkey in Your Soul: (a very underrated song)
Drums: Jim Gordon
Fuzz Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Dean Parks (right
channel); Walter Backer (solo û left channel)
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Saxes: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Percussion:
Victor Feldman - handclaps
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen (great echo)
All lead Vocals: Donald Fagen
Orchestration by Jimmie Haskell
No Aja, not me, but not bad...
All politics is local as Tip O'Neill would say as well as definitions of
convervative or liberal - more subtypes than chameleons can emote
colors...fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, fiscal liberals, social
liberals, trade liberals, trade conservatives, foreign policy liberals, foreign
policy conservatives...environment and personal experience shape our own
wordlview and how an individual or group should interact.
Self-interest and empowerment of self or perceived group integrated with generosity...I don't think political stereotypes hold any more or any less water than racial, or social preconceptions. There are just as many rich social liberals (Bill Gates, Michael Eisner) as social conservatives and the Enron guys were golf buddies with Bill C. as well as BBQ cooks with W. While there are some conservatives who might fit into the Duke Bros. model of Trading Places, that's a minority.
In American politics, I guess I think about it in a Federalist way. A conservative would believe in limited Federal government, whose role was mostly protection of citizens and currency. The assumption is that presented with opportunity under rule of law and with a moral core, that almost everyone can take care of themselves and their neighbors. To sell goods to and look out for your neighbor is not only in the best self-interest, but the interest of the group as well. Education would be used as a means for everyone to have the freedom to find their own niche. It's an optimistic view of individuals as a whole, tempered with the notion that human rights and appreciation for them are best realized in a free society. Individual rights are at a premium. Federal and especially laws rather than over regulation are used to provide as level a playing field as possible.
Above law and order, I'm think that being a social conservative actually with conflicts this view of a fiscal conservative. The only rationale for social conservatives is that the flock has lost its way from a nation's view, and are not capable of being fiscal conservatives without reverse brainwashing (nod to George Harrison) first. If local communities want to be either socially liberal or conservative, that's there business as long as rights aren't violated. Conservatives believe that the Bill of Rights protect individuals most of all from Federal tyrrany and groups when gathered peacably for political speech. If Hawaii wants to have gay marriages or Iowa wants to support the Boy Scouts, this is beyond the scope of the Fed's damn business...
Likewise, overprotection of businesses that can't make a profit otherwise by the Federal government seems also at odds with this definition. There are certainly some exceptions when the national interest is at stake - like aid to the Airlines today crippled by 9/11...however, federalizing businesses or too close a relationship is the road to Nazi-sim at worst or the decade plus long recession in Japan (combined corporate corruption with trade hyper protectionism). In contrast, empowerment zones (Jack Kemp model) is consistent with providing individuals opportunity can be a conservative virtue, although underutilized.
American liberalism intially wanted to look out for the rights of individuals against oppression. In a sense the goal is the same. Federal regulation and re-regulation is used in an effort to protect not only individual rights, but also group or special interest rights or better said desires. The notion is that individuals must be monitored, especially those with money or power, and can't be trusted. Some aspects of social liberalism, in the law and order area that includes a belief that repeated criminal offenders can still be rehabilitated (brainwashed by the gov) seem at odds with this view. More and more individuals and groups are portrayed as victims.
The problem is of course both view are right under certain circumstances, and there seem to be glaring ironies among people who claim to be either purely liberal or conservative. No one can be conservative or liberal on every issue, and who defines it???
All bets are off at the local level going back to Tip O'Neill's saying. I
might vote for a Republican or Democrat for President (and have), but would have
a very hard time if in North Carolina voting for a Republican at the local
level, whereas, they are a completely different animal in Texas...
We're all just better off as *individuals*, not as conservatives or liberals or Democrats or Republicans. I'm thankful this time of year to be living in a time and place that allows that. Yeah, things could be much better, but they also could and have been much worse...I have my health and friends and family today and that's enough.
TV I think has completely changed politics so that is seems more of a religion at worst or game show at best...at least the days of backroom, cigar-filled good ole boys is over. Hopefully, the exchange of ideas rather than rhetoric will be more common in the future. Leave Notre Dame vs. USC for Notre Dame vs. USC...
...But why stop from categorizing the Presidents elected since IGY
While Clinton's rhetoric was sometimes left of center, his state of the union speeches from 1994-1999 were fiscally conservative...and it's fair to state that there's less difference pragmatically (espeically with both Clinton and W triangulating as a potent political strategy). While Pelosi votes left, she talks the centris, Catholic conservative talk on Russert's Meet the Press. Candidates who win, especially at the national level eith take centrist policies (as Carter did in 1976) or walk it (like Clinton often did). From a world perspecitve our differences might seem minor when compared to the fundamentalists of Yemen vs. the race-track shieks of Bahrain...
Just personal takes:
JFK: fiscal conservative; social liberal
LBJ: fiscal liberal, social liberal, overall cranky guy
Nixon: fiscal moderate, social hyperconservative, misuse of federal power
Carter: fiscal ineptitude, social liberal; nice guy
Reagan: fiscal conservative, social libertarian (just didn't give a rat's ass - wanted to legalize pot, probably to keep his kids out of jail)
Bush41: fiscal moderate; social conservative
Clinton: fiscal moderate to conservative; social liberal
W: fiscal conservative but supports education and R&D funding; social
moderate
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User: Duncan | Month: 10 | Day: 30
Message: I saw the menuÆsà
How where the mealsà?
I had the weirdest dream last night
D&W new on included a cover of
AC/DCÆs whole lot a rosieà I t was good IÆm pleased to say
User: SNAIL | Month: 10 | Day: 30
Message: Music is my mistress"
"we'll go dreaming/don't look
behind you"
gmb
User: losing my religion, trying to keep up with you... | Month: 10 | Day: 30
Message: And Ralph Nader would be considered a centrist anywhere
else, it's true. Sadly, social criticism often limits itself to consumer
advocacy nowadays. It's kinda weak by default. It doesn't mean to shake things
up dramatically in any way.
So 'round here, you either whack your poor, slap
'em round a little or give 'em a big powerless hug, depending on where you find
yourself on the political spectrum. So any straying from these "alternatives"
must be discarded at the root. It's not allowed to flourish. It's not serious,
unlike like Pat Buchanan's jive is, or Ross Perot's even. Yeah...
Then, it
all becomes a tyranny of the status quo. It offers no true alternative, as far
as a vision of Society and its future. The sociological imagination that breeds
Utopia, the same one that made America possible in the first place, is brain
dead but for this technological pipe dream we're frantically headed towards.
Every home wired to the max with gizmos and gadgets. And not so much to free
yourself, but really in order to work longer hours, we're finding out. Yes, Bill
Gates will set you free, his way, and he damn well has the means to do it. In
fact, His whole spreadsheet on this reads like IGY, like the sixties never
happened.
"Just machines to make big decisions
Programmed by fellas with
compassion and vision
We'll be clean when their work is done
We'll be
eternally free yes and eternally young, oooooh
And what a beautiful world
this will be..."
Pretty much sums it up, as far as I'm concerned.
b
User: Doc | Month: 10 | Day: 30
Message: transfered
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 30
Message: Oh, that summed up the shit I believe.
And it's funny see the terms "left & right" used in US-politics. Tranfered over to Europe, we would say the US Conservatives are extreme rightwingers, the US Democrats are ordinary rightwingers.
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Bad - the Arbitrator pretty much summed up that too. And I wasn't unpleasant, I just noticed you're in the Music Biz.
Be cool now. Or is it the English weather?
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JayDubz - I've finally put up some decent equipment at home, a Roland RD 700 and a PC with the coolest software known to man. Is this cool or what?
User: Now that you know who you are... | Month: 10 | Day: 30
Message: ...what do you want to be?
User: Small Poxes - A Penetrating Study Of Left And Right | Month: 10 | Day: 29
Message: I am trying to understand Liberals and Conservatives. It isn't easy. I think I've about got it, though.
Conservatives believe in the wisdom of common Americans to manage their affairs and make decisions for themselves. Exceptions to this are the half of the public who regularly vote Democratic. These common Americans are unfit to run their affairs and make decisions for themselves. It is because they been deluded by liberal propaganda.
Liberals also believe in the inherent wisdom of common Americans, especially those who don't have any. They think that the mother lode of wisdom lies on the low side of the bell curve. They discern qualities in the stupid, ignorant, and shiftless that engender a capacity to govern a country they can't spell. Coincidentally, these people vote Democratic.
Liberals do not believe in the wisdom of the half of the country who vote Republican, as these are all CEOs of major corporations. The Left knows that CEOs, unlike welfare recipients, are motivated by economic interest.
Conservatives believe that it is not the business of government to legislate morality, and thus want laws against abortion, pornography, sex education, and marijuana. Liberals don't want to legislate morality either. They want to eliminate it, along with learning, thought, civility, and other impediments to the undisturbed enjoyment of uniform mental darkness.
(A third point of view is held by Libertarians, but I'm not sure what it is. I have never been able to distinguish Libertarianism from a bull session in a sophomore dorm.)
The Right believes passionately in freedom, particularly economic freedom. The conservative therefore cherishes his right to strip-mine Appalachia. He does not, however, believe in your right to build a hog-rendering plant next to his house. That would violate zoning laws.
The Left believes in economic freedom too, specifically the unalienable right of the shiftless to be supported by someone else. Oddly, the someone else is usually a conservative businessman.
Now, confusion is essential to politics. Just as third-world countries regularly mistake incompetence for socialism, liberals mistake peasantry for equality. Thus they promote the decline of civilization with the enthusiasm of Crusaders sacking Jerusalem, making us into dim comfortable serfs ungrammatically grunting.
Conservatives also are subject to confusion. They regard unrestricted rapacity as a virile expression of freedom, like being in George Washington's army, and so favor reproductive incontinence, overbuilding, and the making of anything slow enough to be caught into dog food.
In short, Left and Right both strain to make the world unlivable, with liberals degrading the human world and conservatives, the natural. We can work together if only we try.
Economically, conservatives say that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Liberals say that if it ain't broke, tax it till it is. The economic philosophy of conservatives is to take what they can get. The liberal philosophy is also to take what conservatives can get, and use it to buy votes. This is a form of trickle-down. Consequently liberals are seen to be Reaganites. The study of politics is endlessly enlightening.
Race is a major divide between Left and Right. Conservatives don't give a wan emaciated damn about blacks, whom they regard in electoral terms as the equivalent of a golf handicap. This distinguishes them from liberals, who don't give a damn about blacks, but find it useful to pretend. Blacks don't give a damn about blacks either, or they would cause their children to do their homework. In this tripartite agreement we may have the seeds of national accord.
Racially, the underlying difference between Left and Right is that the liberal policy is active, the conservative passive. Conservatives are content to do nothing and let blacks rot. So, usually, are blacks. Liberals make sure that blacks rot by promoting bastardy as a birthright and illiteracy as a credential of cultural authenticity. Otherwise blacks might make money and vote Republican.
However, liberals and conservatives agree on one thing. When their first child reaches school age, they head for the white suburbs. The difference is that while conservatives admit to each other that they are avoiding black schools, liberals say that they seek the wide open spaces or want their little boy to be near the hockey rink.
The Right opposes abortion as being murder when someone else's sixteen-year-old is pregnant by a tattooed drifter with a guitar and a vanishing IQ. This is why Roe-vs.-Wade will never be repealed: Conservatives also have daughters. Conservatives do think that abortion should be legal in cases of rape and incest, making it acceptable to murder children whose fathers behaved badly.
While conservatives see abortion as murder, liberals see murder as convenience. If a woman changes her mind twelve seconds before giving birth to a perfectly healthy baby, liberals want a doctor to kill it for her. Presumably it takes a curious sort of doctor, but that is another matter.
Left and Right differ in social consciousness. Liberals oppose elitism, and send their children to Harvard to avoid it. Conservatives support elitism, and send their children to Harvard to practice it. By elitism, the liberal elite mean that everyone but themselves should live in a uniform state of social and moral degradation. The conservative means by elitism the view that the better is preferable to the worse. He dislikes degradation, in part because it invariably produces Democrats.
Liberals like government because it enables them to misbehave. Conservatives believe that the best government is the least government. The perfect government is therefore no government. Thus conservatives are seen to be anarchists, like Bakunin.
Conservatives oppose the intrusion of government into the private life, which explains why a Republican administration is rapidly turning the United States into a surveillance state. Yet the leftist American Civil Liberties Union opposes the creeping advance of the unblinking eye. This might seem puzzling. Actually we are witnessing the formation of a hybrid system: The wretched political aims of communist regimes pursued by efficient capitalist means. No communist state could make computers good enough for the new watched hive. (I think of this convergence as Bimeddlism.)
Left and Right work together more often than you might think. Hollywood, the home of freewheeling unprincipled capitalism, is also the wellhead of the socially destructive social agendas of the left. The movie industry grows rich by promoting promiscuity, violence, and the use of drugs. Then its denizens appear on television to denounce the chaos they have engendered, blaming it on capitalism and conservatives.
OK. I've understood all the politics I can handle today. I need a drink, or maybe anesthesia. I know a bartender who has knockout drops.
User: Dr.Pu | Month: 10 | Day: 29
Message: Date: Fri, November 29, 2002, 16:36:58 ET
Posted by:
ALGORE, Truck Stop near Chattanooga
Bill, you've never been more prolific, where were you in 2000?
I
couldn't make sense of anything that year!
AL
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Date: Fri, November 29, 2002, 12:31:22 ET
Posted by: Bill Clinton, nowhere
near Hillary
Daytona: Man, just read another Stephen King novel...hey, you could use a
Lewinski! I always said the Eisenhower should have let the Germans know the
details about the D-Day invasion.
Jebby, Man, me and the MacSter we spent all the DNC money trying to get rid of you. We told Reno to pre-set all the machines. That was a sneaky trick allowing incompetent Democratic locals to run the new high tech ballot machines - thye couldn't even plug them in! ...and where's the love...monkey...the hospitality Florida is known for in Florida? I sent you opponent over to a table to pick up some hot babe for me (where's an Arkansas State Troope when you need one?), and her boyfriend gets pissed and runs us out of the restaurant! Eh, she wasn't fat enough anyway...
We still got a chanced in '04! We still have African-Americans on the reservation, even after we told McCall and Robert Ford Jr. to go to the back of the bus.
If you're really bored, here's The Patriot Act in full. Passed 98-1 in the Senate, but i'm convince Asssssssshcroft rigged the vote.
Never mind that it protects against American Muslim rights straight off
the bat (Sect. 102), that it updates previous laws, that surveillance and
searches require the same court order or warrant (sect 213), and a major focus
is terrorist money laundering (sect. 301) and tracking non-citizens and illegals
(sect. 201), the thing that pisses me off is that they're now letting Cuban boys
into the country!...man, I saw Scarface, and I'll tell ya - that's a scary
movie! Pacino was great!
The goodt news is that now everyone's forgotten I ordered twice as many
wiretaps as Nixon and stole 900 FBI files instead of the one Charles Colson
stole...play Freeh Bird! Man, they love me in China - I'm goin' back cause I see
Hillary coming this way! Gonna get a Geisha - or is that Japan?
User: The Thrill On The Hill | Month: 10 | Day: 29
Message: Molly-enjoyed talking as always...
Ole-into heavy "travlogue".."brainwashed".."drive" travelogue not to
be
confused w/jj cale's fine cd of the same name "travel-log" from 90'
heh heh..
BB-Judie sent me "drive" WoW !
played today
Roomful Of Blues "q's blues"
Gene Ammons "funky"
Stanley Clarke Live At The Greek w/larry carlton & billy cobham
Larry Coryell "cedars of avalon"
Dr. John & Rickiee Lee Jones "in a senitmental mood"
Clark Terry "yes-the blues" w/eddie "clean head" vinson
Lee Morgan "cornbread"
Wayne Shorter "adams apple"
Kenny Dorham "una mas"
bluz
User: Jaydubz | Month: 10 | Day: 29
Message: Oleander ~ "Travelogue" is MUCH more listenable that "Both Sides Now"...check it out, it keeps getting better with each listen! Gina's "Laserium analogy" is on the money! Hope the boys are working on their skateboard chops, winter's here and it's time to wax up the snowboards. My newest jag is filmmaking; equipped myself with a Sony DCR VX 2000/Vaio Digital Workstation/Adobe Premiere 6.5 ~ tell your young 'uns that I'll be mailing them my surf/skate/board DVD opus when I get it done in the Spring!
Tones ~ "The Aura Will Prevail"/George Duke is a killer album! Only wish it were available on CD...there are actually two FZ songs on there, a knockout "Echnida's Arf" (Zappa's satirical answer to ELP's "Tarkus", first heard on Clas's fav, "Roxy & Elsewhere") and the faux-gospel "Apostrophe" cut, "Uncle Remus" ~ which is (IMHO) nicer than the original. Featured heavies in the rhythm section:
Airto Moreira Percussion
Leon "Ndugu" Chancler Drums, Percussion
Alphonso Johnson Bass
Hi Sociable Hermit!
User: Aussie | Month: 10 | Day: 29
Message: Well today is "Black Friday" (What the nation's retailers refer to as the biggest shopping day of the year....and usually a barometer of things to come for the Holiday shopping season).... Compleat waste of time to even have the markets open (albeit for three and one half hours only) the day after Thanksgiving.
Hope everyone enjoyed their day of Thanksgiving.
Great weekend everybody.
Aus
User: Midnite Cruiser doing the week in matters musical.... | Month: 10 | Day: 29
Message:
November 27, 2002
Pink's Flying Pig... Stone Busted... Sinatra's Garage Sale
This is the week that was in matters musical...
1997, Kenny G astounds the world by breaking the record for the longest-held
note on a sax...at
J&R Music World in New York, the G man keeps that
E-flat going for 45 minutes and 47 seconds
(and you thought he couldn't
play)...
1942, James Marshall Hendrix is born in Seattle, Washington...of
African-American, European,
Mexican, and Cherokee Indian descent, Hendrix is
born into an unsettled home and will spend
much of his youth living with his
full-blooded Cherokee grandmother in Canada...
1968, Steppenwolf's self-titled first album, featuring "Born To Be Wild", and
"Magic Carpet Ride,"
goes gold...no album yet released has proved more useful
to bar bands for mollifying hordes of
bikers...
1970, George Harrison's first solo album "All Things Must Pass," produced by
Phil Spector and
featuring a very-hairy George on the cover, is released to
rave reviews...it's 31 years later that
George himself passes peacefully of
cancer at the home of a friend in Los Angeles...
1981, a number of rock acts--including Elton John, Gary Numan, and the
Boomtown
Rats--endorse the British Phonographic Industry in an ad campaign
claiming that "Home taping is
wiping out music"...despite unrelenting home
taping, music survives...also in 1981, the Grateful
Dead and the Allman
Brothers Band cancel a joint Thanksgiving concert in Orlando for lack
of
ticket sales...eight years previous the two bands sold over 600,000
tickets to their joint concert
in New York, this time they can't sell
60,000...
1966, The Monkees strike gold for the third time with "I'm a Believer" which
will ride the very top
of the charts for seven weeks...
1974, John Lennon and Elton John do Thanksgiving on stage at Madison Square
Garden... for
Lennon the gig is a debt paid... when Elton John was in the
studio helping Lennon record
"Whatever Gets You Through the Night," Lennon
agreed to play with Elton onstage if the song
actually became a No. 1 hit, as
Elton predicted... it did and he does ...
1975, "Bohemian Rhapsody," the Queen rock aria which will later reemerge as
Garth and Wayne's
favorite road tune in "Wayne's World," hits the top of the
U.K. charts, where it reigns for two
months...
1989, Sly Stone gets 55 days in the slam for driving under the influence of nose candy...
1995, Frank Sinatra solves his cash flow problems by auctioning off some of
his stuff to the tune
of two million bucks...
1949, "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer" by Gene Autry hits the charts...
1988, Paul Stanley, Gene Simmons, and Willie Nelson discuss "Sex on the Road" on "Geraldo"...
1971, The Montreux Casino in Geneva, Switzerland, catches fire during a show
by the Mothers
of Invention, inspiring Deep Purple's "Smoke on the Water"...
1976, during a Battersea Power Station photo shoot for the cover of Pink
Floyd's "Animals," a
40-foot helium-filled pig breaks loose from its moorings
and floats up to an estimated 18,000 feet
before finally touching down in
Kent...
and that was the week that was.
Birthdays
November 27: Al Jackson of Booker T. and the MGs (1935), Jimi Hendrix (1942),
Eddie Rabbitt
(1944), Charlie Benante of Anthrax (1962), Fiachna O'Braonian
of Hothouse Flowers (1965)
November 28: Motown Records founder Berry Gordy Jr. (1929), Randy Newman
(1943), Beeb
Birtles of the Little River Band (1948), Paul Shaffer (1949),
Soundgarden's Matt Cameron (1962)
November 29: John Mayall (1933), Chuck Mangione (1940), Dennis Doherty of The
Mamas And
The Papas (1941), Felix Cavaliere of The Rascals (1944), Boston's
Barry Goudreau (1951), Steve
Scott of Bleach (1963), Jonathan Knight of New
Kids on the Block (1968)
November 30: Bluesman Brownie McGhee (1915), Dick Clark & Johnny Horton
(1929), Paul
Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary (1937), Leo Lyons of Ten Years
After (1943), Deep Purple's Roger
Glover (1945), Shuggie Otis (1953), The
Little River Band's George McArdle (1954), Billy Idol
(1955), June Pointer of
The Pointer Sisters (1956), Japan's Richard Barbieri (1957)
Dec 1: Billy Paul (1934), Lou Rawls (1935), Eric Bloom of Blue Oyster Cult
(1944), John Densmore
of The Doors (1944), Bette Midler (1945), Jaco
Pastorius (1951), Japan's Steve Jansen (1959),
Brad Delson of Linkin Park
(1977)
December 2: Tom McGuinness of Manfred Mann (1941), Joe Henry (1960), Def
Leppard's Rick
Savage (1960), Nate Mendel of Foo Fighters (1968), Nelly
Furtado (1978), Britney Spears (1981)
December 3: Velvet Underground's John Cale (1940), Ralph McTell (1944),
Ozzy Osbourne &
"Buffalo" Bruce Barlow of Commander Cody (1948), Mickey
Thomas of Starship (1949), Molly
Hatchet's Duane Roland (1952)
Departures
November 29: George Harrison (2001), David "Butch" McDade of The Amazing
Rhythm Aces
(1998)
November 30: Tiny Tim (1996), jazz guitarist Charlie Byrd (1999)
December 1: Jazz violinist Stephane Grappelli (1997), Lee Dorsey (1986),
Westside Chicago
bluesman Magic Sam aka Sam Maghett (1969), bluegrass
guitarist Carter Stanley (1966)
December 2: Aaron Copland (1990), folk singer David Blue (1982)
User: Beerberian | Month: 10 | Day: 29
Message: So that makes him A Critic, A Gardener, A Banker, and a Dentist ????
User: Arbitrator in da Sky | Month: 10 | Day: 29
Message: Well, you did comment publicly on his music... and it
wasn't all roses you threw at him there. I can attest to that. Now it seems only
fair to put your money where your GB mouth is, mate.
User: TBC | Month: 10 | Day: 29
Message: I don't have to jusify anything I do to you mate - I was only trying to be pleasant and pass a tea break - Now fuck off
User: Business is money and money is fun. | Month: 10 | Day: 29
Message: So, BS, you're a studio tech or a producer or a musician?
C
User: TBC | Month: 10 | Day: 29
Message: Clas
Its kinda hard to give specific examples of my work when I have done over 700 projects in the last 22 years - The resume gives you a chance to see what stuff you may like and then I can FTP stuff to you - hell I even recorded some muzak back when it was fashionable I'm sure.
Besides I don't want any flaming going on at my studio site - Too busy for any of that thanks - business is money, GB is fun ???
Bad
User: Doc | Month: 10 | Day: 29
Message: "...HEAR what I'm saying..."
C
User: They took the windshield too... | Month: 10 | Day: 29
Message: Oh, all the Americans are eating extra heavy I see. Be careful, it's not good for you.
Bad Sneakers - email? Are you getting shy all of a sudden? If you want to play you have to do it here, right on this board.
Gina - George Duke, all (and that's much), I've heard him do is on the Zappa album "Roxy & Elsewhere", great stuff, and Zappa is hilarious speaking to the audience:
-Tom, turn me up so they here what I'm saying, 'sanybody know where Palmdale is? It's a good place for racing Turkeys...
And then; one two one-two-three-four... -Going back home to the Village of the Sun /going back to Palmdale where the Turkey Farmers run...
Hell, I'm getting nostalgic here.
Clas
User: this just in | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: All Steely Dan albums are fake! Swiss scientists have analyzed the 8 major Steely Dan releases and found them to be as bogus as the replicant painting on the Gaucho cover.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1038524483919&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968705899037
Matt Drudge caught up with Diane Warren, authoress of Blame it on the
Rain recorded by the bogus haircut band Milli Vanilli, and 723 other forgettable
top 40 hits. Just the sight of the gravy stains on his trenchcoat was able to
break down the tryptophan trippin' songwriter. "In the early 70s we were looking
for a hippie/anti-hippie kinda thing," Warren stammered. "Our initial focus
groups told us that weekend college people near Poughkeepsie had high Q values.
Only years later did we figure out that that meant some guy down in Tampa
instead of national recognition," Warren dragged on a Chesterfield King...
Warren continued "We only learned later that Donald and Walter could play...a
little. I mean we never dreamed that David Cassidy could sing either! Not only
was I writing the songs as fast as Tony Mottola and the Record Company Formerly
Known as ABC-Dunhill, but I was writing the charts as well. Why do you think
they were so f**ing neat!!!? About 1980, I just couldn't take it any more! I
mean did they think I was Stephen f**ing King!? I quit, went on a cocaine binge,
then wrote another 382 hits after a stay in Maui in 1985.
User: the piano has been drinking..............................................................oleander | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Herm--Well I'll be. I think we were simulsipping the champagne. Let me retrospectively clink glasses with you--l'chaim, and may your cave be cozy and bright.
Yo Mu, and HB to Missus Mu.
Happy Birthday also to Pete Fogel and Danooooooooooo!
JDubz--hey there. My kids still ask me about your skateboard from time to time. Thanks again for the great visit.
lp--as Mu said, yes, that's the idea.
jimbo--what an odd poll. Listening to "Gratitude" a lot lately.
Molly--interesting.... Thanx for kind words re site. The "halfway crucified" comment wasn't mine--sent in by an astute Danfan.
Blaisez-faire--on peut rever, au moins. Yes, I've been listening.... Man, to hear them play some jazz standards would be sublime. As jk said, they MUST put this show on cd....
Re: Joni Mitchell--cooked to "Hejira" this am.... Please tell me "Travelogue" is better than "Both Sides Now," which I can't listen to....
Tom Waits and Rahsaan also on the box....
Coming soon: The Next Betting Pool!
User: Moll........ | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Angel, I did watch the Paul McCartney special. It was
very good. I'm not a particularly big fan of his music either, so it was a
pleasant surprise. Worked at the Homeless Shelter in a neighboring city today,
helped serve dinner there. It's a long standing tradition. But did make dinner
with a little help from my friends.
Smoked Turkey and my Nana's dressing.
(Stan cooked turkey)
Cranberry chutney
whipped potatoes with gravy
(Ginny's creation)
peas in cheese sauce
Angel Biscuits
Chocolate Torte
and/or Flan
User: angel | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Been scarce due to working 2 jobs. Will be back to normal on Sunday. :-)
St. Al: Forget my turkey, it was only basted with wine. I'm flying up to you!!!! Meet me at the airport. :-)
Almost ready to eat:
Shrimp cocktail
Turkey with wine
cornbread
stuffing
sweet potato
asparagus
salad
pumpkin pie and whipped cream
topping
It doesn't hold a candle to LP, but yummy, none the less.
Anyone watch the Paul McCartney concert yesterday on ABC? We taped it and are watching it now. It is making for quite a nice afternoon. They just showed a scene where Paul called up from his cell phone to answer a question that was asked during "Breakfast with the Beatles". A weekly radio show in LA. Too funny!
Herm: Good to see you drop in our way. We don't forget you.
Happy Thanksgiving and weekend.
User: Duncan | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: duhh duhh du du duuut I'M back
eouwwww
I'm bad....
no infact it's the size of the dv files that's bad
!!!
anyone got a spare 20gb scuzzy hard drive the don't need !!!!
db
sans format/rebuild
User: Midnite Cruiser from my sister's house....waiting on the BIRD to eat! | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Gina....yeah, if I can't take photos of the birds I'll just eat one. : )
Hermie....good to see you back....hope you'll stop by more often!
User: Sociable Hermit | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Hey All!
Just wanted to jump in and wish a big Happy Thanksgiving to all of my old buddies. I know I haven't ben around for a while, (not even as a lurker), but while I was cooking the bird and having some champagne, (traditions are important, don't you know), I got to thinking about all of my time spent on this board, and all of the cyber-friends I made here. I kinda miss some of you knuckleheads. I'm thinking that maybe I'll try to make a greater effort to visit more often.
We will chat more later, for right now I must dash. I need to baste and refill.
Later,
Herm
User: left over-tones | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: St Al! Bourbon soaked turkey? YEAH! Who needs to cook that sucker! Pass that bourbon soaked gravy... lol!
G. - I've had a backwards history with Mr Duke's music. I first heard of him in the late '70s when he hooked up with Stanley Clarke. They were both trying to cross over into funk/r&b. Then about 8 years later I found out he played with Zappa, and I couldn't even imagine it from what I knew about him (and Frank) at the time, and I didn't really know what to make of that particular period of Zappa's music. Now I really love that period of Zappa's music, and Mr. Duke was a huge part of that sound. I've never heard that album, The Aura Will Prevail, but that's right around the time he played with Frank. I'll have to look that one up too.
But yeah, wow. What a range that guy has.
In case you didn't know, the Zappa albums he played on were Waka/Jawaka: Hot Rats, The Grand Wazoo, Over-nite Sensation, Apostrophe, Roxy & Elsewhere, One Size Fits All, Bongo Fury, and parts of Studio Tan and Sleep Dirt, both of with are really parts of LSther...
(I just found out how to do the umlSt! And the ¯ and ¦ without cutting and pasting! And it was completely by mistake...)
back to the couch...
¦ones
User: Bad Sneakers | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Clas
Send me your e-mail address and i'll send you a resume OK ??
Listened to the track "catwalk" - Only an MP3 but it sounds like 24 bit protools mix + system direct recording - Nice overheads maybe AKG414s, is that a lexicon PCM 91 reverb there ???, cheesy synth sounds and overall the track sounds a bit like a Larry Carlton track from the 80s
Nice direct quote from "the goodbye look" at the end too
Keep up the good work
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: LP: Do you have pictures of the place you live? I'd love to see them.
Happy Thanksgiving to all the those living in the USA.
On StAl's Menu tonight:
- Bourbon Soaked Turkey
- Spiral Cut Smithfield Ham
- Homade Green
Beans w/Bacon and Red Wine
- Mashers
- Candied Yams w/Roasted Banana
& Maple Syrup
- Cornbread Stuffing
- Fresh Cranberries
- Pumpkin
Pie
- Pecan Pie
- Alka Seltzer
StAl
User: Duncan | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Happy Thanksgiving everyone over there...
db
User: G. | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: tailing the Zappa-Duke thang here, The Aura Will Prevail album was from 1974, not 1976. if anyone has it or familiar to it, any info more than welcome :-)
Midnite Cruiser, bird-watching and bird on a dish, lol ...
User: king of world | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Mmoollyy-------
Exercise good thing. I walked to Wisconsin one day, eight or nine miles, along old train track turned into bike path one Sunday impulsive early morning. But there's something about it that tightens muscles for someone in this state. Negatives and positives. As for charity, I'm definitely my own charity now, especially as I'm getting more isolated inside this building, but I think I know what you mean. I could hardly be lower on the economic scale in this country than I am, without ceasing to exist.
User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: lp....the menu includes but is not limited to:
turkey, ham, mashed potatoes, string beans, corn, macaroni salad, mac + cheese, assorted pies....a big thanks to my sister for cooking this year!
y'all are going to make me go out and buy the Joni album dammit! *lol*
Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate it today....we're packing up for the
long drive out to my sisters....catch up with y'all soon.
User: Chirp Chirp (the pardoned turkey song) | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Lovin' You is easy 'cause you're beautiful
Show my
love to You, is all I wanna do
Lovin' You, is more than just a dream come
true
'cause everything that I do is out of love for You.
La lala
lala...
La lala lala...
La lala lala lala lala lala
Doo-din doo-din doo
doo
A-A-A-A-A-AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!
User: Moll the Mistress of Mayhem | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Bill, where the hell are you? You were supposed to be
here hours ago. Remember, you said you'd stop by to see Don, and then be on your
way? Damnit Wild Bill, I can't live this way! The Wedding is off. I hope you're
feeling better BTW. Happy Turkey Day... *winks and kisses*
King of the World,
Honey I know it's tough, but one must fight. Exercise seems to help me, as does
doing some sort of volunteer work. Maybe it would help you as well... For some
reason, I feel a great deal of contentment when i'm helping others. Perhaps it
is because I know that is what God wants me to do? Or maybe it's the fact that
i'm not focused on my self and my sorrows at those times? I will continue to
pray that our Divine Creator will lessen your burdens and heal you.
Midnite
Cruiser, actually I thought Jerry's show was a bit classier! lol lol
Bluz,
sorry we keep missing one another. It's me, not you. Talk soon?!!!!
Dr Mu, So
is your non-response a "no thanks"? Just as well I suppose, I have these pesky
things call morals that balks at sleeping with a married man. * blowing you a
big kiss*
St Al, You big Stud-muffin, I'll show ya follies!! *wink* I loved
the picture. It was great. I'm gonna make copies and keep them to hand out to
those who really annoy me.
My Viking, I love you. I miss you. *kisses~~~~~~~~~* HAPPY
THANKSGIVING!!!!!!!!!!
User: Vicaire Bleeeeeus... dadadadam dadadadamm dammmmm... | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: I say grace, for StAl, on this day, for him being the
stand up guy that he is. Speaking ever so eloquently for the "rest of us". And
noone's objected, au contraire. Go figure.
Great stuff.
And Great site,
btw.
Dan quote of the week:
"They would come in with these demoes. And they
sounded like punk rock."
No, that's an old alleged Rainey quote. My
mistake...
"And we''ll find out if Ricky did lose the Charger's number, right
after this."
Chris Berman, my anchor, my hero (watch him as he goes, he's
ordinary), always 'round when things are slow.
Well, Happy Football.
And
Merry Stuffing down there, y'all.
User: ps | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: oh yes, and putting the word ignorant and similar to swedish in once sentence is in no way related to Clas or the beautiful country he lives in. merely another ingredient for the attraction and why there's something kindred :-)
User: G. | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: howdy Tonezzzz :-)
little g saw the YO as a cue to
attack my toes LOL, and you should hear my mother tell about when she walks him
and when other dog owners ask his name, some don't know how to pronounce it :-)
i failed in trying to instruct her to say it's Gaucho from the Steely Dan
album etc etc and it's an argentinian cowboy etc etc. people here in this city
prefer to speak their own dialect instead of dutch so very ignorant in ways and
some even say this dialect is similar to Swedish so whaddoyou know, eh .....?
Yes, Joni is great. the arranger and conductor, Vince Mendoza is also the main conductor for the German WDR television broadcast big band, i wrote a review about them last year when they were here in town. Europe does have some pretty "neat" things going on in the musical landscapes :-)
And Tones, back to the Duke, the Marin County connection. His latest is
something else as well, trust me. Especially when you read about it on his
website (see URL). now i want to get my hands on The Aura Will Prevail, 1976,
also has a Frank Zappa song on it and the Duke himself says he loved making this
album.
Given the influences in musicians careers and turns they take, i dare
to say George Duke is headed towards perhaps some of his best years in which he
can make use of a huge legacy, his experience in the field ... almost 40 years
since he started out with a jazz trio, the "pure" jazz that is. definitely made
his own choices, giving in to the rhythms and beats he felt inside. which
ofcourse, was not appropriate or appreciated in the jazz circles ... his range
is wide, classical, r&b, funk, soul, pop, you name it. as a performing
artist as well as a producer.
So now investigating -researching the
Zappa-Duke thread ... :-)
Banyan Tree Yellow Rondo a la Turkey Bow,
G.
User: world, king of, you get the idea | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: I refuse to take credit for origami. This infernal infestation demands that an entire new cabinet post be devoted to its control, and eventual utter extermination. Folded paper bastards.
User: It's the King of the World | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Why yes, I'm just that clever. On this day when North Americans must thank their creator, whoever he/she may be, I hereby pay tribute to the crappy wit that is myself. Well, here's hoping I can knock myself unconscious for the duration of the official holiday.
User: Bill | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Happy Thanksgiving to all Dan fans everywhere.
You guys are the most dedicated and patient fans in the history
of popular
music (sorry Elvis fans...), and you're also the funniest,
quirkiest,
smartest, and strangest people I've ever met on the
internet, and that's
something to be proud of!
And to Donald and Walter wherever you are (and you are somewhere,
don't
say that you're not...) Happy Thanksgiving to you both, for
everything
you've done and for everything you're doing and for everything you
have'nt done yet and thanks for the hula hoop, the invention of
electricity, space travel, the art of origamy, the great pyramids
of
Egypt, Play Doh, Pamela Anderson, Bugs Bunny and Road Runner,
advanced
nuclear physics, and most of all that recipe for holiday stuffing
that
Pat Beemer takes credit for.
Thanks for all that and more and even more than that even.
Your Fan,
Bill
User: And oh yes, | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Bad Sneakers: CD's? You're talking about vinyl, right?
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Oh I forgot;
Bad Sneakers - I've spent time in studios, yes. From early 70's to the ProTools of the 2000. Never made a living on it though.
Maybe you have some music online I could listen to?
Here's mine:
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/undersidor/frameset/frameset1.htm
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Goodmorning Gina - thanksgiving? What do you mean?
User: t | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: Hey there G.! I'm enjoying your takes on the new Joni. I haven't heard it yet but it sounds great. Tell little g I said, "Yo!"...
User: t | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: W1P - yeah, I was there. I've seen them probably 15 times and that was one of the best. They rocked ridiculously hard. Kinda of weird that they didn't do any songs later than More Fun In the New world, but still heard a couple I had never seen them play. Last time they played here was a couple of years ago, the first gigs they did when Billy Zoom rejoined the band. So everybody (me) was juiced to see them. One of the best rock shows I've ever seen.
Unfortunately Exene somehow broke her finger halfway through the set; she went offstage and did the rest of the set, and four encores, with her finger in a cup of ice.
Out of many, many highlights ("Adult Books", "Beyond and Back", "Year One" - hell, they pretty much did all of Wild Gift), their cover of Breathless was just huge. It's not even close to being my favorite X song, but it was one of those moments where the song and the band and the crowd all met somewhere in the middle and the show was completely out of hand from that song on. I've seen them do that before, but that they can *still* do it after 25 years makes it more intense. And their lyrics are still so relevant.
"It was better before, before they voted for what's-his-name. This is supposed to be the New World"
yep... it was big fun...
User: G. | Month: 10 | Day: 28
Message: good morning. Clas?
seconding the Thanksgiving wishes, Joni's Circle Game my fav track.
For
peace, good vibes and all that :-)
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: Tones, did you catch the X show last night in SF? I sent one of my friends who had never seen them before and he can't stop gushing about it!
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: lp: I'm glad you got it! lol
Since it's my wife's birthday, I'm cooking the full monty. Does this make me a professional chef?!! Wait, don't answer, let's see if I keep the firetrucks busy tomorrow first!!
Cajun fried turkey
corn bread stuffing
vegetable casserole
sweet
potato casserole
fruit salad
cranberries (I'm especially adept at the can
opener here)
fresh herbal bread from the bread machine
carrot cake
Happy Thanksgiving!
User: (not so) deep t-houghts... | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: Reading lp's menus has become one of my favorite holiday traditions...
X is the still best live band in America. Bar none. Case closed. Nailed shut.
Why write charts when you can afford to have someone do it for you? I bet they *can* write charts, but would rather do something else with their energy. Especially when Rainey was around back in the '70's, when there was so much more other fun to be had...
Why do you get so hungry the day after Thanksgiving? If we were bears we wouldn't have to eat for 3 months...
Btw... thanks to D & W for all the great recordings... and all the great demos we were never supposed to hear... even your leftovers make a fine sonic buffet.
Thanks St. Al for the space and the big laugh...
Thank God for music. And heaven for pretty girls...
peace
t
User: Gina losing sleep listening to Joni's Travelogue | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: The vibes run down one's spine when listening to Joni's
Travelogue. Not only did she manage to transcend this word "travelogue" from the
Amelia song ... " the drone of flying engines is a song so wild and blue, it
scrambles time and seasons if it gets through to you. then your life becomes a
travelogue full of picture-post-card-charms." as the uttermost perfect title to
accompany this ensemble of a so far lifetime's career ... the line from Otis
& Marlena " while muslems stick up Washington" also seems to float in a new
meaning.
really a must have, this music. the mood in orchestration makes one
feel sitting in a planetarium kinda thing, where one sits in a chair but
experiences emotions like when the screen shows this view from a helicopter
raging past the dark deep red colors in the Grand Canyon .... then the sun
lights the whole thing up, one feels dizzy when approaching a ridge and the
helicopter goes up and then close under or something ... virtual reality by
sound. would be foolish to say i am speechless, for i ain't lol but it's
................
the drawings, the paintings, the 11th september events ...
Joni has this dark side which kinda had me not play Mood Indigo that much, but
if put in perspective, depending on one's own state of mind or moods ...
Howard, Jaydubz and others ... this is great great stuff.
Mucho gracias
Howard for dropping the lines about it in here, a lot nicer to find out about it
this way than in some accidental random albeit perhaps serendipitous manner,
seriously doubt whether i would have picked it up otherwise ....
Banyan Tree 4 Music Bow,
G.
User: king of the world | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: Jimbo... afterward Katie proceeded to interview SpongeBob SquarePants, which was slightly on the weird side.
Molly--- re depression... I can't remember what it's like to be any way other than that you described. But I think if anyone who's without this medical business were to be given one day of mine, he/she would remember it for the rest of her/his life, and get nightmares about it for years. To do this state of mine every day (medical thing + my reaction to it) for decades, you have to almost intentionally deaden huge portions of yourself. It's a bit like letting chemotherapy destroy your immune system to kill your cancer. Recent Taupin lyrics talk about something similar, so I take a lot of time ingesting the recent EJ albums because of this. (And Bernie's just talking about bad love affairs, and he's well and rich.)
[i]All Things Must Pass[/i] was brilliant, with the exception of only the last couple of tracks, and the jam disc. I love albums that are like entering a dream. Dark Horse and Extra Texture are 2 and 3 for me.
User: Aja.........still not working | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: Have a dooser of a b-day, Dano! I'll hoist one for ya over here ;o)
Aja
User: Dano | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: Back To Batan!!
PC went belly up for two weeks and
got captured talking to the wife for all that time , shit i feel well
muellered!!
Have a good Thanksgiving you Yankees , I am off on the Lash as its four dozen for me Tomorrow, will have a beer for the USA and a swallie for another year on Thursday.
Check back in Friday with a dooser of a hangover no doubt.
Regards
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa na ho.
User: Aussie | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: Everyone: Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving Holiday. Kiss someone you love, hug someone you love, and above all be safe.
Aus
User: Aja........pretending to work | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: Watch out lp, I have a free plane ticket and can be at your doorstep by tomorrow morning-LOL! Can you e-mail me some of those recipes? I hear there may be snow in New England for Thanksgiving-I think I need pics, too ;o)
Aja
User: Bad Sneakers | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: Clas
Yet again you demonstrate that Studio recording is not one of your fortes -In fact its not really one of your thirtes or twentes either - Is it ???
The CDs take so long to produce because unlike most others (but not the likes of Pink Floyd, Peter Gabriel, Blue Nile etc), Steely Dan actually care what their CDs sound like !!! Yes and I mean EVERY LAST F@ckING DETAIL. And that takes TIME man.
Yes, the difference betwen a fender bass and a fodera, the difference between two hour old and one day old drumskins, the difference between 5:1 at -12dBs or 4:1 at -10dBs of compression
In short - the difference between them (geniuses) and you (a reasonable piano player with a penchant for borrowing Steely Dan chord progressions on the guestbook compilation - Don't worry it sounds OK)
Now let it go man you are boring everybody - Must be the lack of light in Sweden at this time of year - or the price of drink
:-)
User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: what's on your thanksgiving horizon?
we are devastatingly sans AGA (help Duncan!) but we will be managing to cook anyway on our easy-bake-oven, need a really big watt bulb (LOL):
roasted turkey
gravy
cream biscuits
cornbread and sausage
stuffing
mashed potato with cheddar and bacon
sweet potato pie
ragoo of
onions (from martha washington's recipe book, george's favorite)
green beans
and mushrooms
spicy cranberry sauce
pumpkin pie
friday night dinner for our out of town guests will be leftovers but we'll add in to supplement my famous boston baked beans and also acorn squash with indian pudding for dessert
saturday night will be mussels or clams (low tide is at 1:00 PM) over linguine and a much needed at that point salad with blueberry pie for dessert
sunday dinner to send them on their way will be a yankee pot roast with apple cobbler for dessert
any takers to come over the bridge too?
happy thanksgiving to all!
User: Flamer | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: I mean, jeez, you're an Asshole even tho you don't make a living at it.
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: "W1P - I think that 11% stat related to the percentage of Americans who couldn't pick out the USA on a world map, not Iraq or New York (the errors for Iraq were higher). A bit surprising, but Britain didn't do too well in the test either..."
Then I REALLY don't want them voting! It's all about the education system. The schools in our inner cities are dangerous places to be -- no time to learn where the US is when you're busy dodging blades and bullets
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: The same reason people call themselves athletes or writers even when they don't make their living at it. Because its true.
User: Jimbo | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: Did anyone see George Harrison's widow being interviewed
by Katie Couric last night? I thought it was a very good interview. No flash or
self-serving statements by her. Olivia Harrison, apparently, and happy to
say,
is no Yoko. Besides, she doesn't sing like a banshee.
Good to see Sharon Stone again. STILL SEXY ;)
User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: St.Al....thanks for the humor....I was beginning to feel like I was watching an episode of Jerry Springer.
User: Clas | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: The Doc is saying it's second hand. I say I heard it from those who were there and played.
StAl - "Does it not make their opinions valid?" Yes, their opinions are valid, I just wonder why people call themselves musicians and songwriters when it's not their profession.
---
Bill: "Besides, if they had every last detail figured out, why would it take so much studio time to produce an album?"
Yeah, that's what I've tried to say here for the last 48 hours. Thanks.
User: ¦ - down on bullshit avenue | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: Howard: In general, I would agree with Carlton, Omartian wrote OR copied charts based on the Aja interview and other sources. Though on the Aja video, it seems they wrote selected charts (I'll have to listen again) Based on Katz, Walter, and Donald and album credits (ex. Rhythm and horn arrangments done by Donald on Kamakiriad) they did bring SOME written info into the studio. What kind of condition were they in? Who knows? Maybe on napkins! But as you and Randy and I stated, IT DOESN'T MATTER...D&W controlled the outcome - and they always allowed room for improvisation. The original context was whether Donald and Walter could read music!!!! not who wrote or copied all the charts. I presented evidence that they wrote/arranged materials for albums, songwriting duties for the Brill building and ABC-Dunhill in LA, Katz interview etc. as information that refuted Clas' claim and Donald and Walter could not read nor write music...as usual Clas has twisted or attempted to twist the original context...
Clas: I'll take Katz and Walter and Donald over your second hand
information any day of the week...
OK, Now I'll make an outrageous claim. Based on its fine consistency,
Brainwashed is the best post-Beatles album by George or John or Paul or *duh*
Ringo...All Things Must Pass has great songs - but there are a few clunkers too.
No clunkers in this one...
User: Beerberian doin his 9 - 5 | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: GI St Al ; Ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa You kill me That one is straight round the office .... I love the Net !!!!
LP; ref the fever .... probs with the analogy 1/ A mere mortal is crucified by being tied to a cross 2/ The deluxe messiah crucifixion involves three nails ? ie what's half of three doh .......
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: Pat, you want me to shut up? I guess i'm not your favorite anymore then? Damn.......My Follies.....Loving Viking? But I liked the the picture. *kisses* Damn you're good-looking.
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: Hello Everyone! I'm still into Blue Nile today.
Mu,
Darlin I have a "thang" for intelligent, witty men, so I'd be tempted to give
you a tumble. But, I've never understood the appeal for a three-way for men.. To
me another person would just be too distracting. It would lessen the intensity
of the act. Besides Jen isn't my type... *wink* It's Miz Ducky I want. Those
beautiful eyes, that smile, all those curves and glorious flesh.....ahhh
Heavenly.
BB, honey-man where are ya? Damn i'm feelinng neglected these
days.. lol lol
Jen, well thanks for clearing that up. lol lol....
My
Viking, *Kisses~~~~~~~~~~~~* Missing you something fierce.
Off to bake pies........ HAPPY THANKSGIVING !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love and Peace
M
User: StAl | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: To everyone caught up in the Molly follies. Here's a jpg for you to look at that pretty much sums up what the rest of us are thinking.
http://www.banyantrees.net/images/bigcup.jpg (or click on the link above)
Clas: Why does it matter if someone makes their living as a songwriter/musician? Does it not make their opinions valid? After all, I don't believe you make your living in this manner either.
StAl
User: Bill | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: Clas,
I really don't think that there has been any composer, since the
beginning of time, that has figured out every last nuance of
his
composition before rehersal.
Problems are ironed out during rehersals and new approaches will
present
themselves there, that's why they call it a "rehersal" no?
There are several
hundred ways to hammer a nail, the method you
choose today may change
tommorrow. Options present themselves at
various times, but many arise during
rehersal.
So, Fagen and Becker could not have had every last detail figured
out
before entering the studio. To assume that they did is fairly
unrealistic and
tend to cast them as inflexible songwriters, which
we know is not the case.
Besides, if they had every last detail
figured out, why would it take so much
studio time to produce an
album?
User: Howard | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: Randy - your post about the recordings, charts etc is about the only one with which I can agree 99%. As you say, and as I posted previously, the bottom line is that it's D+W that call the shots and make the decisions.
Somehow we got caught up in the original debate, between Mu and Clas, about what exactly was written in the charts, and when, and by whom. In the end, this isn't really relevant - it's the music that counts - but you have to forgive us if we continue to chew over these subtle points of method. We are a little obsessive, it's true.
Mu - I don't think there's any question of D+W+Katz lying about when charts were used. My point was that charts would be prepared (by Omartian, Carlton etc) after the demo recordings. So, at these early demo sessions, Donald, Walter, perhaps Jeff Porcaro, Denny Dias, Mike McDonald, would be playing without charts to get the basic form of the song down on tape. From those recordings, charts were prepared, then the "real" sessions would start, using those charts.
W1P - I think that 11% stat related to the percentage of Americans who couldn't pick out the USA on a world map, not Iraq or New York (the errors for Iraq were higher). A bit surprising, but Britain didn't do too well in the test either...
Jaydubz, Gina - just got my copy of Joni's Travelogue this morning. Already listened to a lot of tracks from www.jmdl.com, but had a quick blast of Trouble Child and Boogie Man this morning. Sublime! Not sure about it being her "last album". I think she has said more recently that, although she is mightily pissed off with the music biz, she hopes she will continue to write and record. It's just a question of when and where the urge to write is going to come from. Remember, she has quit the music business several times in the past!
Howard
User: Clas | Month: 10 | Day: 27
Message: Randy - so you're a musician and a songwriter. You're making a living on that?
Bill:
My point is still that there's a myth that Fagen/Becker figured everything out before rehearsals and recordings. They were not sitting like Beethoven or Mozart writing scores/partiture at home, in the chamber.
And I believe Chuck Rainey and Georg Wadenius are more reliable than Doctor Omnipotent & Co.
User: Jimbo | Month: 10 | Day: 26
Message: Randy- Great analysis. Somehow that's how Fagen and
Becker works. They
may be perfectionists, but at least they have a commitment
to put out the best. I think you came up with the best explanation for why the
new one isn't out yet.
FROM THE DECEMBER 2002 ISSUE OF DOWNBEAT:
From the 67th annual readers' poll-
Best Alto Sax: Phil Woods with 436 votes. Chris Potter was 8th with
42.
Best Tenor Sax: Sonny Rollins with 437. Potter was 3rd with 184.
Best
Beyond Jazz Group (Popular bands with heavy jazz influence): Santana
with
185. Los Lobos was 2nd with 68. Steely Dan was next with 63.
Jane Monheit is on the cover of the new issue of JazzTimes Magazine. The
article is well written as well and void of any tabloid garbage that
would
have been intentional. It's funny and yet, straight to the point about
how certain writers need to stop focusing on her beauty and listen to her
singing as well as her interaction with people. Meeting her, I was thrilled to
see that she never gave a diva like attitude.
For those of you who haven't read my review the the Jane Monheit concert
that took place in Pittsburgh, PA last month, the web site is:
http://www.jazzsteps.com/reviews/shows/jane_monheit_1002.asp?
User: The Viking | Month: 10 | Day: 26
Message: Jen displaying a typically American sense of humour there I think you'll agree class? (just jokin y'all)
User: Jennifer | Month: 10 | Day: 26
Message: Count me out...not bi. Talk to Molly, maybe she can work something out for you.
User: Luckless Pedestrian at home | Month: 10 | Day: 26
Message: mu - lol - your timing is perfect
hey, i just got caught up on the blue pages and whomever is posting as J.R. is a hoot!
now what were we talking about? charts?
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 26
Message: Jen, Mol..ladies, ladies now..................uhhhhh........threesome?
User: Jennifer | Month: 10 | Day: 26
Message: I really don't need any lessons in how men think and
sexuality in men from you, molly.
We have definite differences in what
constitutes a "real man." By the way, it's MASTURBATE,
not masterbate. I
would think you would know that....aren't you the expert in all things
sexual? With women too, being as you are bisexual.
And please don't bother with the Happy Thanksgiving either. "Little
mousey(sic)thing is one
of the nicer names you have called me, so don't wish
me anything.
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 26
Message: LP , nothing happened. I have always had opinions about
the Dan's music, and most other things. I have tried to discuss them here before
and was attacked because my opinion didn't concur with the majority. I was
called stupid and a number of other nasty things. Mainly though, no one seemed
interested. So what was the point?
I'm not stupid. I just don't feel the need
to rub everyone's nose in the fact that I'm not. One doesn't skate at
Vanderbuilt College. They didn't give me my Master's degree at the University of
Louisville because I showed up every day. Nor did I date a Physicist or
Pharmacology Professor because they liked the way I filled out a sweater. Some
people think I have pretty good taste in music too.
El Supremo, It's good
seeing you post.
Duncan, good luck honey!
User: To Jen | Month: 10 | Day: 26
Message: BTW, saying that a person is stand up; that he can take
the weight another puts on him and then proceed to kick their ass doesn't
indicate that one is a thug or brute. To me it means he is a real man. That's
what they do.
Pete was joking about living at home. It was a pointed remark
made for the person who asked me if I was 17. He was posting as a 17 year old
might. He's from the UK. Their humor is a bit different. Moreover if you feel
the need to exclude men as potential dates or partners because they masterbate,
then you won't have many left to choose from.
Happy Thanksgiving M
User: Duh Vibing, bing of the whirl | Month: 10 | Day: 26
Message: So, if you've been following this (and you haven't),
it'll be Donald Fagen on Sanctuary Records and Steely Dan on Warner Records.
With Steely Dan coming out first and then Fagen, a fairly close second, judging
from the movement on the corporate side of things. And things ARE moving.
They're setting the stage, there, behind the scenes.
That would fall in line
with what we had learned was projected in that Seattle radio interview on Grammy
Day 2001.
oleander in da house - They're not gonna play new songs on the McPartland
show. That's judging from the articles we've seen so far. They played mostly
jazz standards, we've heard, also Josie and a few other favorites, whatever that
means.
But very soon thereafter... the next ODP news item posted will be Next
One-related, I predict. In fact, if you've been paying attention, the last news
item does not mention recording for Steely Dan anymore.
And indeed. "halfway
crucified", that's precious. Never thought of that.
Now back to your rather uneven programming...
b
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 26
Message: Jen, I never said that he fought people who were challenged or weaker. In fact he's defended people that fit that description. Moreover, I never said he kicked ass and asked questions later. But,I can see why you'd be "offended" by a man like Pete. He's got way too much heat for someone like you. All that testosterone would scare a little mousey thing like you.
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 26
Message: "C: Don't get me started on the failings of the American education system or their parents...my 7 year old son does know just where you and the Iraqis live, not to mention Sierre Leone and Malaysia...TV, video games..."
That's your son. But still there's 11% in your country that doesn't know. Scary shit. Keep the masses down, give them a moron for president and let USA rule the world.
How many is not voting in USA? 60-70%?
That's scary shit too.
User: A John Lennon mix tape for ¦: | Month: 10 | Day: 26
Message: Remember, Love, Working Class Hero, Instant Karma, Imagine, Jealous Guy, Just Give Me Some Truth, Oh Yoko, Hold On, God, Look At Me, Aisumasen (I'm Sorry), Bless You, I'm Losing You, Woman, Watching the Wheels, I Don't Wanna Face It, Forgive Me (My Little Flower Princess), Borrowed Time, Cold Turkey, Happy Xmas (War Is Over)
Give Peace a Chance
User: It's gonna get you too, ¦... | Month: 10 | Day: 26
Message: Instant Karma
John Lennon
Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna knock you right on the head
You
better get yourself together
Pretty soon you're gonna be dead
What in the
world you thinking of
Laughing in the face of love
What on earth you
tryin' to do
It's up to you, yeah you
Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna look you right in the face
Better
get yourself together darlin'
Join the human race
How in the world you
gonna see
Laughin' at fools like me
Who in the hell d'you think you
are
A super star
Well, right you are
Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we
all shine on
Ev'ryone come on
Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna knock you off your feet
Better
recognize your brothers
Ev'ryone you meet
Why in the world are we
here
Surely not to live in pain and fear
Why on earth are you
there
When you're ev'rywhere
Come and get your share
Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we
all shine on
Come on and on and on on on
Yeah yeah, alright, uh huh, ah
Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we
all shine on
On and on and on on and on
Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we
all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine
on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
Like
the moon and the stars and the sun
User: Clas | Month: 10 | Day: 26
Message: "Some people like our impotent little friend both idolize certain others and also desperately need to take them down a notch."
My point is this:
During the 70's and 80's and 90's there's been this myth around Steely Dan (Fagen/Becker) that they wrote, arranged and had everything figured out for each song before they recorded it.
I say this is a myth. Chuck Rainey confirms this. And asking Georg Wadenius, he said he never saw any charts around the studio-sessions for Kamakiriad. And when asking him if Fagen COULD notate music he said: -I don't know. Wadenius also told me that if he came up with a cool idea during the recordings, it ended up on the final cut. No big deal.
I am not "taking them down a notch", I am just saying; be realistic, Donald Fagen and Walter Becker are human beings (okay, they are also 2 against the nature).
If Fagen/Becker got their charts written by Feldman and/or Carlton, if they were not able to write out partitures and if Fagen's not a pianoplayer in the sense we usually put into the term "Pianoplayer", if Fagen needs help from Grolnick or Mounsey to notate and arrange horns, if he have to have Phillinganes playing the hard-to-play Maxine, does that make their music BAD or something?
I don't understand why you get this upset.
And that "chart" the Doc is talking about was posted by Pete Fogel, who found it after a show at the Bar Bat or The Lonestar Roadhouse. I think it was the first 4 bars from "Josie". It was also shown on the Making of Aja, so it's not a chart from the late 70's, it's from the early 90's.
We all live and learn, don't we?
PS/Paul Griffin had a hard time getting his credits as a co-composer for "The Fez". Keith Jarrett had to sue the duo for the Gaucho-intro-plagiarism.
---
PS PS/Molly - oh, so that's what he looks like. Interesting.
User: arlean | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message:
and what a gift goodbye she has given us!
if you put in the cd you can see the paintings on the computer. she has and will go on to her first true love, painting.
well heaven_sent called me a cunt tonight in chat. and you thought the guestbook was bad. and you thought the world was bad.
should i feel.....well it's a steel belted cunt to you.
but you know, it is just the way it is. nothing more or nothing less.
and then there are true people and true artist who give these gifts. and then they and their words and music will take you to a place where no one gets.
aja, have that drink by yourself. you are far better off. some things i know and others i have learned.
User: Gina | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: 08.02 am eurotime, just woke up and i was figuring what
to do first today when running errands and thought of the Travelogue CD that's
been waitng for me since saturday :-) so now i'll pick it up asap
:-)
goodmorning everyone!
User: Jaydubz | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Just finished listening to Joni's newest, "Travelogue" ~ it is sublime. Supposedly, this is the last album she's ever going to record...it is a MUST HAVE! The arrangements/orchestrations are impeccable, Shorter & Hancock are the icing on the cake and the packaging/presentation is one-of-a-kind. She is truly a class act.
User: ¦ - asbestos suit zipped up tight | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: OK, I'll just come out and say it. Besides for Instant Karma, #9 Dream, Mind Games, and Woman, Lennon's solo offering are horrid, putrid, unprofessional stuff. He's as bad a post-Beatles musician as Macca is a post-Beatles lyricist...sorry, just had to get that off my chest...back to your irregular programming...
Brainwashed rocks!!
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Ole: Welcome back. needle in the arm *slap on the head* It's seems obvious now
King: Yes, Dark Horse - some good songs, terrible sound....wonder if Lynne will sneak some ELO strings into the remasters?
I'm looking forward to 33 1/3 and the 1979 eponymous remasters -
unavailable now...here comes the moon...
I'm sorry, but can't say I like Plastic Ono or Imagine a lot, but the
echo in Instant karma is cool - dumb song...."well, we all shine on...karma
Karma Karma Karma Karma Chameleon. you come and go, you come and go..."
User: what's a sweetheart like you........................................................................oleander | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: RS--I love the strings in "FM." I remember some discussion of them long ago and commensurate lip-curling. Did no one else listen to FM radio in the '60's? If you started at the left, looking for a good underground station, you had to negotiate this minefield of sonorous classical announcers, droning rerereissues of tired orchestral classics, big white toneless groups like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, and station after station of popular favorites squeezed through the golden throats of a thousand violins. If you were lucky you might get a fuzzy college station playing Rotary Connection or the Last Poets. But those violins were hard to ignore.
Blaise--Mais oui, je le sais... je le sens... Great Mix pick-up. Now: Dylan. There's a very interesting book about the Basement Tapes by Greil Marcus, "Invisible Republic," which don't read if you're not into free association. He maintains that Dylan is somehow plugged into the Great Unconscious of American music, and moves at will through its history--his music is a map of "the old weird America." (Marcus also gives his take on some of the songs. There might be a fever dreams of Dylan songs out there; I wouldn't know.) I think "Love and Theft" bears this out. The closer he gets to the end of his life, the further back he goes--but not just into his own life, but into the music. He reportedly wrote the songs on "Love and Theft" in torrents. He sings with sadness, and sometimes resignation, and residual mischief, and references to vaudeville, country, blues, old timey, and a whole pastiche of lyrical sorta-sequiturs. To me they make sense and make me laugh, but I can't parse them for you. I think it comes from being in a similar position in life and having a similar worldview. I think, anyway. I do believe the guy channels from a place nobody else goes. There are songs in his oeuvre that are bell-clear, powerful in exhortation. Then there are those willful surrealist exercises--but I like surrealism. The cool thing about surrealism is that you can approach it with or without assumptions, and take the whole or snippets of it and run it through your experience as you wish, or give up and let it grind your assumptions to bits. His surrealist exercises yielded some unforgettable images--"crying like a fire in the sun," isn't that perfect? "Your mercury mouth?" What's not to love? Sure he goes overboard sometimes, or does it straight from dreams, or maybe they're lysergisms, but then it's like Dali, or Tanguy, you just stand there and let it twist your head around. Or you take a line or a verse and glean what sense you want from it. I gotta admit, he lost me there for a while, during the "Slow Train Coming"/ "Saved"/ "Shot of Love" era, with the exception of "Every Grain of Sand." I thought the end of days was nigh. But I snapped to with "Infidels" and have been relieved ever since. I think that if you listen to the songs and the music, largely he makes inescapable if idiosyncratic sense. Just not linear sense. If you want to talk about specific songs, e me. Not that it'd be much help, but it would be drole a bavarder.
Gotta pass this along--a BRILLIANT fever dream:
"It occurred to me yesterday that "halfway crucified" means: with a spike in one arm ..."
User: king of the world=======================+++++++++++++++++++++++== | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Hari Georgeson produced most of his own early 70s albums. He commented that once he'd observed the couple of knobs or so that Phil Spector tweaked to get the Wall of Sound, he was able to do it himself.
User: Bill | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Albert Einstien failed math...
Most of his teachers
felt that he was somewhat mediocre at physics
also. What they didn't realize
is that science in it's highest form
is art, and art is more than the bits
and bytes of strict technique.
I'm sure that Donald and Walter have learned as they've grown, as
we all
do, but one very important fact cannot be overlooked when
evaluating thier
contribution to the world or music... THEY DID
SOMETHING UNIQUE.
In a world of 5 Billion people, making a truly unique contribution
is
something to be proud of. Try it sometime...
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: StAl: ...not since Clas outrageously claimed that Fagen & Becker could not read nor write music! THAT was the ORIGINAL bone of contention. Freud and TBC have summed it up well, but I think that if one somes all the interviews, the Aja video, and the empirical evidence that there was a great deal off cooperativity between D&W with the musicians. It's fair to say that they brought out the best in each other. Having said that, the Steely Dan sound, while it has evolved has stayed true whether the players are Skunk, Dias, Omartian, Carlton, Baker, Herington, Potter. Most critics think TvN sounds like Gaucho (I think it sounds more like Kama and AiA with a little Royal Scam). They know what they wanted and stuck to it.
1) Katz has stated that D&W brought charts with them into the studio. I can't say in what state they were in...
2) They had no tape recorder in the Brill Bldg. or in LA, just a piano - obviously, they had to write the songs down...or maybe that would explain their inability to sell them ;-)
3) Fagen has written an increasing number of horn arrangments since Aja
4) We've seen a chart prototype with Fagen's handwriting circa the late 70s
5) See the AiA liner notes - D&W joke about going back to the Steely Dan songbook to arrange and rearrange the songsr with Bernhardt's help
6) Numerous references to written parts in the Aja video
7) There's no doubt, they got a lot of help from Carlton, Omartian, Feldman, etc. along the way. There are mentions of them writing charts AND copying charts. Given Fagen's penmanship, and Carlton's crystal clear-looking charts, it's no suprise, for clarity, why he copied them for the other musicians.
8) Musicians never exaggerate - yeah, right!
9) This dovetails nicely into the George Harrison discussion. He was a great songwrite and a super guitar player, but could not read or write music. Therefore, the sounmd of his records was highly dependent on and even dominated by the producers, especially the ones who wrote charts like Lynne and Spector. Cloud 9 sounds like ELO 19 (with better songs). But note that NONE of Carlton's or any of the other session players and arrangers albums have produced ANYTHING that sounds REMOTELY like Steely Dan!! Who's zoomin' who?
t: Interesting about the order. I like Devil's radio starting side 2 on vinyl. I would have put When We Were Fab first - a much better song than All Those Years Ago - great video with the puppets as well - kinda like Hancock's Rockit...
You have me at a disadvantage as I have not bought the Enhanced version - I found the CD versioin only at WalMart the 2nd day after release for $8.99...
C: Don't get me started on the failings of the American education system or their parents...my 7 year old son does know just where you and the Iraqis live, not to mention Sierre Leone and Malaysia...TV, video games...
User: The Viking | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: P.S. awww babes-you say the sweetest things ! Am on late lookin for ya....
User: The Viking | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: waheyyyyyy!!! whaddaya think of that then eh?
User: Dan Ticker - it just keeps on a tickin' | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: New hints of future solo Fagen:
(see url above, membership required)
"LONDON -- Brit music indie Sanctuary Group has named Peter Asher
co-president artist management U.S.
Industry vet Asher will be based in
SanctuaryÆs L.A. office, and brings to the company Donald Fagen of Steely Dan,
as well as new acts Summer and Dani Mendez.
Asher began his career as one
half of the 60s pop duo, Peter & Gordon.
He then became head of A&R
for the Beatles' record company Apple, and has since managed and/or produced
Joni Mitchell, Randy Newman, Cher, Billy Joel, 10,000 Maniacs and the Dixie
Chicks, to name but a few."
User: | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: MC - thanks for the list. I was lucky enough to see The Skatalites the year before Tommy McCook and Roland Alphonso died. They were just amazing. I miss that band.
User: Jennifer | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Molly, maybe you should use your Bible quotation
(Whatever you do to the least of
my brothers you do to me) on your viking
who gets into "brawls, kicks ass and ask
questions later". Many women would
find these qualities offensive rather than admirable.
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Clas, Do you want a description of looks?
My Viking
has red/gold hair. Azure eyes that tend to become gray. High cheekbones and a
mouth that begs to be kissed. In fact, I'd sell my blood to kiss any part of
Pete aka my Viking. His nose is rather crooked from being broke in several
brawls. Oddly, it doesn't detract from his beauty. Pete is a gorgeous man. His
body also evokes the image of a Viking for me. His arms are almost the
circumference of my waist. Broad shoulders and chest, squarish hips....Most
important Viking element though is that napalm heart of his.
User: StAl | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: >Fagen is still working on his chops.
That is the most asinine thing I've read on this guestbook in a long time.
Freud was right -- boring.
StAl
User: Holiday Cheer | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Hi Aja
Yes will be around..your on!
bluz
User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: a quick copy & paste:
This is the week that was in matters musical...
1945, Miles Davis records his first sides with sax giant Charlie Parker... this same week in '82, Davis is married to Cicely Tyson, it's his third foray into nuptial bliss... Bill Cosby serves as best man...
1955, RCA nails a sweet deal when it signs Elvis for $40,000... $25,000 goes to Presley's former label, Sun Records...
1959, pioneer rock 'n' roll DJ Alan Freed is canned by WABC when he refuses to sign an affadavit swearing that he never took under-the-table money to play records...
1963, the BBC bans the Rolling Stones after they show up late for two radio shows, "Top Gear" and "Saturday Club"...
1967, in reviewing The Doors' second album, "Strange Days," Time magazine says that the record "takes its listeners not only past such familiar landmarks of the youth odyssey as alienation and sex but into symbolic realms of the unconscious - eerie night worlds filled with throbbing rhythms, shivery metallic tones, unsettling images"... also in '67, the Beach Boys' album "Smiley Smile" is released... sales are anemic despite inclusion of the song "Vegetables" produced by Paul McCartney... a harbinger of the band's declining popularity, the album's cool reception sends leader Brian Wilson into deeper seclusion... that same year, summing up of the state of pop radio, veteran San Francisco DJ Tom Donahue is quoted in Rolling Stone as saying that "Top Forty radio as we know it today, and as we've known it for the last ten years is dead, and its rotting corpse is stinking up the airways."...
1970, The Kinks' Ray Davies flies to London and re-records a solitary word on the band's single "Apeman"... the word occurs in the line, "The air pollution is a-fogging up my eyes"... three guesses which word needs a fix... Davis had previously been recalled to the studio to change the words "Coca Cola" into "cherry cola" on the Kinks hit, "Lola"... also this week in 1970, avante-garde saxophonist Albert Ayler's body is found floating in New York harbor... various theories circulate about his death ranging from suicide to a mob hit and an unconfirmed story has his body roped to a juke box...
1971, Marvin Gaye's "Inner City Blues" is his third No. 1 R&B single from the landmark album "What's Goin' On" and marks the first time a Motown artist takes a stand on controversial social issues...
1975, a pistol-brandishing Jerry Lee Lewis is arrested at the gates of Graceland when he demands to see The King...
1976, director Martin Scorcese documents The Band's farewell concert with a phalanx of cameras and inventive cinematic techniques... the resulting film, "The Last Waltz," is released to critical acclaim and includes memorable performances by a sterling lineup of guest stars including Dylan, Clapton, and Neil Young...
1980, Don Henley of the Eagles is arrested on drug and morals charges when he summons an ambulance to his home where a nude 16-year-old girl has overdosed...
a trio of rock suicides are remembered this week...in 1983, Badfinger's Tom Evans hangs himself... songwriter Tommy Boyce ends it all in 1994... and in 1997, Michael Hutchence of INXS is found hanging in his hotel room...
1994, David Crosby has a new liver put in...
1996, Cyndi Lauper marries actor David Thornton with the Reverend Little Richard officiating...
and that was the week that was.
Birthdays
November 20: Norman Greenbaum (1942), Duane Allman (1946), Joe Walsh (1947), George Grantham of Poco (1947), Jim Brown of UB40 (1957), Mike "D" Diamond of the Beasty Boys (1965), Sen Dog of Cypress Hill (1965)
November 21: Coleman Hawkins (1904), Malcolm John Rebennack aka Dr. John (1941), Lonnie Jordan of War (1948), Bjork (1965), Blur's Alex James (1968)
November 22: Hoagy Carmichael (1899), Benjamin Britten (1913), Foghat's Rod Price (1940), Aston "Family Man" Barrett (1946), E Street Band's Little Steven Van Zandt and Tina Weymouth of Talking Heads (1950), Rasa Don of Arrested Development (1968)
November 23: Betty Everett (1939), Bruce Hornsby (1954)
November 24: Scott Joplin (1868), Donald "Duck" Dunn (1941), Robin Williamson of The Incredible String Band (1943), Lee Michaels (1945), Clement Burke of Blondie (1955), Chris Hayes of Huey Lewis & The News (1957)
November 25: Percy Sledge (1940), Bev Bevan of ELO (1946)
November 26: Robert Goulet (1933), Tina Turner born Anna Mae Bullock (1938), Alan Henderson of Them (1944), John McVie (1945), Matchbox 20's Adam Gaynor (1963)
Departures
November 20: Ronald Alphonso of the Skatalites (1998)
November 22: Michael Hutchence of INXS (1997)
November 23: Junior Walker (1995), Tommy Boyce (1994), Roy Acuff (1992), Tom Evans of Badfinger (1983)
November 24: Freddie Mercury (1991), Kiss drummer Eric Carr (1991), Big Joe Turner (1985)
November 25: blues singer-guitarist Fenton Robinson (1997), Albert Ayler (1970)
November 26: Tommy Dorsey (1956)
User: TBC | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Dear C
I just think that "certain musicians" have perhaps (and maybe understandably given how classic the songs are) overstated their roles in the compositional process of Steely Dan songs - This is not a reference to Chuck Rainey only, but he himself admits on the DVD that all he did was play what Walter told him with a couple of his own licks thrown in.
In my opinion session guys like him were hired to play what the songwriters invisaged in their own particular style (to embellish the arrangement - Walter says as much stating that Rainey was a bit of a hero to him)- Were any musician to have to have influenced the chord progression or another important part of the SONG in a major way (like the chords), their name would be on the CD as a co-write or there would be a list of law suits lined up in LA as we speak.
Undoubtedly the musicians parts themselves were written out by someone at the session (standard practice in the days of the super session man doing triple time gigs all day) - The songs were there though -I have heard the demos.
I know as well as you do what legalities of a publishing deal are and what happens if you write the verse/chorus/bridge - I am not implying that these session guys got screwed either - they were well paid for their efforts. Let them be proud of what they achieved by all means (especially Larry Carlton on the Royal Scam and Aja) but Don and Walt would still have been great without them (as they were without the Skunk era band.
Hey didn't the vikings take centuries to leave the poor Scots alone ???:-)
User: Freud's studio contact | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Class is wrong.
1) DF and WB do their own arranging, except when they don't. When someone else does an arrangement, it is credited. Period. 2) Of course DF can write charts in his sleep. But it's grunt work so he usually (but not always) pays someone else to do it 3) studio musicians are HIRED to "bring something new" to a demo arrangement. If they DIDN'T come up with a cool part or voicing, they wouldn't get hired and/or their work wouldn't appear on the final recording. (and of course, if you realize that studio musicians can "write parts" in the studio, after a chart is written,. than you can accept that DF and WB can also write parts in the studio after a chart is written)
Anyone who gets confused by this, or is confused over what "arranging and writing and producing" vs "contributing as a player" means, is completely inexperienced in the process or ignorant of the actual facts.
Or, they may just be trying to do something else. Hmmmmm....
Rainey. Rainey is always (always...do you notice?) a little too quick to distinguish DF and WB from the "real musicians" like him and his studio homeys, while also trying real hard to fall all over himself with apparent praise and respect for their talent. Unseemly, I've always thought, and not very flattering to him. In any case, don't expect any time soon that any major SD studio player who never became as famous and successful as their previous employers to exactly UNDERPLAY their contribution to a now-classic body of work. Shit, man, what would you EXPECT???!!!
And Class. Hiding behind Rainey doesn't disguise the fact that Class has tried for years to subtly disparage WB & DF's "serious musicianship" (among other things) in whatever little ways he can. One favorite has been this chart/arrangement nonsense. Puzzling? Not really. Some people like our impotent little friend both idolize certain others and also desperately need to take them down a notch. Extreme cases are the guys who beat up on (or worse) the women they claim to put on a pedestal. "But I ADORE her!! I WORSHIP her!!" You all know the type. Same thing here. Year after year. Boring.
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User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Bad Sneakers - you're saying:
"The players enhanced the music by bringing different interpretations to the songs and may have contributed bits and pieces of the melodies / horns / chords / hi-hat licks etc but no self respecting muso is gonna rewrite half of somebodys CD and not want at least half a point on it !!!"
Rainey's isn't saying anyone else wrote Becker and Fagens music, where did you get that from?
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Bad Sneakers - you need the background to this:
Mu and I discussed way back if Fagen/Becker came to the studio, well-prepared and all figured out, knowing, for example what "Peg" would sound like at the end of the day. With charts for horns, with charts for bass, for guitars and so on.
I said that wasn't the case, dr Mu said it was.
I said we were talking pop-musicians with no musical education, they couldn't notate their songs, and they couldn't arrange their songs before the basic tracks were down on tape.
They write/wrote great songs yes, but as Rainey says; Carlton and Feldman wrote out the charts for the other musicians.
And allow me to trust Chuck Rainey on this. He was there.
And, sure, Becker has become a great guitarplayer/bassplayer. Fagen is still working on his chops. If you've seen the Video with Bernard and Fagen, you can easily see/hear that Fagen isn't a trained musician.
He's rythmic and tight, but not a pianist.
At the time for The Nightfly it became easier to sit home and arrange the
songs with synths and a sequencer.
User: Bad Snaker | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Clas
I read very well - thanks for your concern - perhaps our interpretation of Raineys tone differs ??
"They were basically song writers that could basically play an instrument, but relied upon Victor Feldman and/or Larry Carlton to write out the chord changes of their song demoes"
This is bollocks - Neither Fagen (witness his keyboard tuition video) nor Becker (A fine guitar player and one of THE cats on bass) are merely "songwriters who can basically play an instrument" or need somebody to write the chords out for them. They can afford to pay somebody to do it for them sure but that is different.
Go get the demos - played solo by Donald on the piano (sometimes with bass and drums) - The arrangements are nearly complete - Listen to the live versions (pre release) of cuts like Jack of speed etc - all the constituent parts are there - before the session guys took a hand.
The players enhanced the music by bringing different interpretations to the songs and may have contributed bits and pieces of the melodies / horns / chords / hi-hat licks etc but no self respecting muso is gonna rewrite half of somebodys CD and not want at least half a point on it !!!
Chuck played what he was told to - with a few of his own special licks thrown in, Larry Carlton played like Larry Carlton - He just had better progressions to jam over than his own muzak which allowed him to hit a peak in his playing that (for me) he never quite equalled again.
I'll agree to disagree on this one C
Now - wheres that new Eric Hobsbawn ??
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Anybody planning on The Steely Damned this Wednesday? I'm on the fence on account of a Hendrix tribute at B.B. King's Universal City Walk featuring (yes, you guessed it) Arthur Lee & Love (aka Baby Lemonade) along with people like Noel Redding that same night. Arthur Lee's bass player, Dave Chapple, not only has played on two of our Fair Forgery tracks (San Tropez and Bike), he's also doing our album artwork (which is a tall order to keep up with the classic Floyd artwork from Storm Thorgerson and Hipgnosis). "I'd let you ride it if I could but I borrowed it."
User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: oh mercy - got it, thanks tones
filling out my cd rack - no tv AND the radio stations suck so i will need continual updates on what's new in music from you in here!
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: tones - Sweden became a Fellow-Traveller to USA when Olof Palme got shot.
And apropos Olof Palme:
Long-time Palestinian peace activist and champion of human rights and democracy, Hanan Ashrawi has been named the recipient of this years' distinguished Olof Palme Prize.
I say: congrats Hanan Ashrawi!
---
Molly Dear, what is a "Viking"?
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Bad Sneakers - read closer: "...relied upon Victor Feldman and/or Larry Carlton to write out the chord changes of their song demoes."
Chuck Rainey is not saying that Fagen/Becker didn't write their own songs.
And on the Making of Aja you can see the charts Larry Carlton wrote.
User: Bad e Sneeks | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: And you guys should ALL check out the Super Furry Animals "the man don't give a f*CK" for the best use of a Steely Dan sample - Period - Its on their "out spaced" CD for the wise amongst you
User: Bad Sneakers | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: W1P - Beta band - Brought to you by TBC studios ltd !!! We did some demos for them last year - they are great !!! Strange series of posts in the last few days have seen Danny Wilson and Blue Nile mentioned - both ex TBC collaborations.
Bela Fleck and the Flecktones were awesome in London last Sunday - It was great watching all the student bass player types with their jaws trailing on the ground !! Go Vic !!
Surely not Chuck Rainey overstating his own importance in the writing of the Dan albums ???? - Listen to the piano demo of Gaucho to hear where the harmony came from - Donald and Walters' brilliant minds - OK I don't doubt that Larry Carlton had a big input to the arrangements but he didn't write the songs by any means - Listen to his own CDs for confirmation of that
Maybe another example of Chucks sense of humour (illustrated on the making of Aja DVD when he says Walter Becker couldn't hear him slapping the line in peg - Yeah right Chuck !!!) - Maybe Chuck should go back to the woodshed so he can play his own (ie Walters) basslines properly (unlike the DVD !!!)
By the way I quite like his playing ;-)
Maybe it was Skunk Baxter who wrote the songs, or David Palmer ???
Chunk a chunk a chunk a chunk a - AJA !!! Don't think so :-)
User: t | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: C - I'm waiting for my Swedish friend to get here to read me your post... but from what I could figure out phonetically I think you're wrong. Everybody knows where the U.S. is. It's like John Lennon said, "Turn left at Greenland."
Btw... still looking for Sweden on this map... does it even exist?!! When did it become a state?
lp - gosh... I think google might have me on this one... I checked allmusic.com and didn't come up with any Dylan song called "Broken". But Elvis Costello and Tears for Fears... Wait!! I have a few brain cells left! I think your refering to "Everything is Broken" from Oh Mercy... great song and album...
t
(spelled "t" - I looked it up...)
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Never heard of Beta Band but sounds very intriuging!
User: Aja........Monday, Monday | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: "I just figured y'all were gettin bored and needed summin to get all mad about". Actually, the discussion (up until that point) was very intelligent and get this: music-related! No wonder some people couldn't handle it.
Interesting happenings in the rest of the world-the Canadian Communications Minister's aide called George Bush a moron, and some on this side are clamoring for her resignation. What's the big deal? We say that all the time over here.
bluz-you around for the holidays? How about getting together for that drink?
Aja
User: Ward | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: LuckLess Pedestrian: Dear June: The nouveau c'est arrive
by our usual air methode...this year is so-so anew. I do miss you my little
sweetie pie. The parade? Oh yes. We'll be drinking very special old pale from
pewter flasks watching the baloons getting blown up the night before the parade
on Thanksgiving Thursday. This has been an annual rite for many years now. The
actual parade is always better watched from nearby offices in the garment
district (make it compleat with a few bottles of Cliquot)
Our own Wormy won't
be joining this year but my understanding is his parents will be flying one of
the baloons again this year.
Love, love love lovey.
Yours,
Ward
User: Hi, I'm LP, and You ARE?... | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: hey, go pat's - what a nailbiter of a game that was! ssheesh, my HAAAAAAAARTT...(hard to type a new england accent, sorry)
actually gina, the phrase is - reduce, reuse, recycle...
calling all lurkers: sh, aja, alti, ||||, lucy b, chere, nmn, ge - check in please, alter ego's welcome and encouraged...
on the drive back up, i listened on public radio to an analysis of the beatles, song by song kind of thing - you think paul giggles nervously at that kind of thing at this point? i would think...and then to add, i felt guilt at pressing the scan button again, horrors...(i'm considering druidism so i'm hoping that guilt thingy goes away)
re-acquainting myself with television over the weekend i saw on cnn that the saudi's had something to do with 9/11/01 - is this really considered news? they're kidding, right, that that was breaking news? back to my bat cave on the island, but thanks anyway...
check please...
hey wait, tones? where can i find bob dylan's tune called "broken"? (who needs google, i have tones!)
kisses as always to ward, who should check in as well - getting ready for the parade?
User: fezo | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: anybody out there ever heard Luther Vandross' version of
"My Favorite Things"? As part of the backing track, it sure sounds like he's
worked in the "get along" portion of Kid Charlemagne.
User: Hutch | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Molly, you really crack me up. You're living in a fantasy world aren't you?
User: Moll..........yet again | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Floridave,BWay Steve,Paige,Jaz,Bluz,Cyn, and Arlean it
was great to see you all. *kisses and hugs*
Hutch, you're such a grump! I
suppose you've never done anything silly or immature while intoxicated or high ?
lol lol
Gina, hmn........please tell me more! Sounds like fun.
Wild Bill,
I hope you're feeling better.
I've been listening to Blue Nile today!
Wow..they're good.
The rocks are beckoning me, my friends. Gonna get in some bouldering.
Peace M.
User: a grave digger's bounty | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Hmph... found the only copy left out there anywhere. There it is:
http://www.geocities.co.jp/MusicStar/6433/mp3.html
(right-click the Second
Arrangement link, Save target as...)
No more Shino demo...
Metzger no mo...
User: ps II | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: LOL B, controversy? We haven't cleaned the Banyan
Kitchen properly yet, Lisa G. dropped out on us again after resurfacing so
promptly ...
smooch :-) Gee
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Jen, I love people for many reasons. Where they live,
where they are employed, what they look like, how much they weigh, and things of
that nature has very little (if any) bearing on the reasons why I love them. I
love the Viking mainly because he is very loving to me and my child. I love the
strength of his character, his integrity, and his passion for life. Although he
looks very much like a Viking in appearance, that is not the basis for my
nickname for him. As I said before, I know that he's stand up. The Viking would
take any weight put upon him,then proceed to kick ass and take names. He would
be no less of a man or "warrior" if he lived with his parents ( or a card board
box for that matter)That wouldn't define who he is, and I would love him
anyway.
I believe in any relationship, one must see a person's flaws and
virtures. You accept the faults and goodness of that person. That is the nature
of love IMO.
I've worked with people who've been kicked around by life a
great deal. One thing I learned, Anyone can have circumstances that can alter
your life. I saw that the people in that Shelter or Soup Kitchen wasn't that
different from the rest of us. I'm reminded of the Scripture in the Bible..Jesus
said," Whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you do to me" .
User: ps | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Songwriting, whether music or lyrics is something basic, the outcome of ideas. And its proven widely good arrangements to a composition is a job on its own, because it requires the skills to understand where the ideas come from and in which colors these compositions should ultimately reach an audience. Compare the tracks on the Catalyst CD's or other demo's to the albums and it shows, because the often pure songs that have few instruments to backbone the composition DO carry a promise and almost immediately make one feel they are good songs, when even pure like that. I will never get over the Sun Mountain version sung by Donald Fagen and solely this piano along with it ... As well as a certain feel of the era when they wrote those songs and how it got transcended into both a mark of its time as well as something timeless. Which also emphasizes the fact Steely Dan was presented as a concept, Walter Becker and Donald Fagen as captains of a ship that had staff, guests and perhaps some stowe-aways too LOL
It's real nice if people can work together like this, combining as a collective in which each makes use of their craft, talent or skill.
User: b | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: While this document appears genuine, Clas, in its
current form, me will still need to see said email from Mister Rainey and also,
if possible, the original email leading to the reply, as requested.
And I
will also need the coordinates to the current whereabouts of Chuck Rainey's web
site.
It certainly shows an interesting angle on the goings-on in the studio at a certain point in time. And of course, it's controversial. Thanks for sharing. Ha!
User: G. | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: now doc Mu, Clas wanted to discuss this with you in the privacy of a cosy Banyan Tree corner but given the fact we also seem to have forgotten to take the dustbin out so when someone bumped into it this place got littered up again some, i think it's not so bad to focus attention right onto these matters again, eh?
Hutch, what about if we introduce that Door- thang again ......?
After
you, no after you, nooooo after you :-)
My copy of the Joni Travelogue will be spinning in this computer starting tomorrow. And a 70's music webradio station is providing sweet sweet almost forgotten songs. Cool! Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes- Bad Luck ... nice intro it has ...
Banyan Tree Seventies Itch Bow,
G.
User: C @ W | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: I visited Chuck Raineys Homepage the other day. I mailed him and asked a few questions about the Steely Dan-recordings. He was very kind and answered. And it seemed that I was right about that chart-stuff Mu, hate to say it but...:
"It's nice to hear from you! Becker and Fagen are not or were not composers in the sense that they wrote out charts and arrangements. They were basically song writers that could basically play an instrument, but relied upon Victor Feldman and/or Larry Carlton to write out the chord changes of their song demoes. All charts of the Steely Dan songs that I played on were chord composite sheets for everyone.
Parts were made up by each individual player and/or discussed during the rehersal and/or recording of the songs. Although they were not 'music notation readers' or theory versed individuals, they both had great ideas from time to time regarding instrumental parts of each recording. Overall, things were never figured out untilthe musicians input thier thoughts and feelings about their individual parts.I enjoyed being a part of their successful recordings. GREAT SONGS!!!!"
C
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: "The National GeographicûRoper 2002 Global Geographic Literacy Survey polled more than 3,000 18- to 24-year-olds in Canada, France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Sweden and the United States.
Sweden SCORED HIGHEST; Mexico, lowest. The U.S. was NEXT TO LAST. ...About 11 percent of young citizens of the U.S. couldn't even locate the U.S. on a map."
HA!
User: Hutch | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: "figured y'all were bored" and "thanks Jen for taking the bait" ??????
This is by far the most adolescent shit I've ever seen on this board.
User: t-oh no! | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: ¦ - Actually, I think it was in the post-ono "lost weekend" period that John's songwriting slid. I think Plastic Ono Band and Imagine have some of the best songs John ever wrote, and don't forget he was with Yoko when he wrote everything from Walrus to Polythene Pam as a Beatle. Basically I don't think John did so well with a broken heart.
As per George... I actually like Cloud 9 quite a bit myself, my cheif complaint (being the opinionated bastard I am) is that I think the first song should have been "If That's What it Takes" with the title cut opening "side two" after "When We Were Fab" That makes the album flow sooooo much better for me. With Brainwashed I think I was hoping for more of a "roots-ier" sound, especially after reading what George had said. Maybe Lynne isn't capable of that (I have this mental picture of George taking Dhani aside and saying, "Now remember, he only gets ten overdubs per song..."). But if I put my preconceived ideas about what the album could have been aside I like it just fine. It's a great album. The songs are just so damn good. It just really set me off when Lynne said in the "Making of..." video, "Sorry if it's too "posh," George," when I had just listened to the cd and was wondering about that. I'm sure Lynne just wanted to give his friend the royal treatment he felt he deserved, or as he says, he felt the "songs deserved." What should I care... I'm sure George could give a flying cloud about it now anyway, wherever he is...
Btw, I heard the rest of George's catalog is going to remastered/re-released starting next year. And I remember seeing an interview with George saying that he had gotten the rights to the Wilbury's stuff and he was planning to re-release that too...
Now in defense (somewhat) of Milli Vanilli (seriously...) - I worked in a record store when their album was so huge, and becuase I didn't have a tv I only knew them as "the guys with the hair." And I think those two guys got screwed. Everybody gave them so much crap because they weren't on the hit record, making them give back their Grammys in a show of public humilation. Now, just because they happened not to sing on the album, that didn't change the sound of the record. Remember, they won a *GRAMMY*, a symbol of "RECORDED EXCELLENCE(TM)". Why was the record suddenly not worth hearing? Was everybody disappointed because *the hair* wasn't actually on the recording? What if we found out Steely Dan wasn't really a band but two guys under an assumed named who hire different people to make a sound? Wait a second... bad example...
Or is it?
Well, yeah it is... Giving Milli Vanilli a Grammy was more like giving the Monkees a Grammy... ok, worse because the Monkees actually sang... without pitch correction...
Btw, why aren't the Monkees in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
But I digress... to sum up: if the producers behind Milli Vanilli had just claimed that those two guys represented not a specific band, but the "concept" of "Milli Vanilli", that very special "milli vanillinous" of life that we all share... well, the one guy might still be alive today.
I see this defence is going nowhere... I throw myself at the mercy of the gb...
I wonder if Milli Vanilli's producers got to keep *their* Grammy's?
t
User: The Viking | Month: 10 | Day: 25
Message: Wow, who posted all that weird shit under my name? Honest it wasn't me. And I don't exactly live with my Dad - he has the cell next to mine. I just figured y'all were gettin bored and needed summin to get all mad about - thanks Jen for takin the bait.
User: Jen | Month: 10 | Day: 24
Message: Sorry Molly, What makes you think I would possibly be
interesting in your so called
warrior. I don't get into grown men who live
with their daddies...not my type, but
obviously yours. I've done much better
than that.
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 24
Message: King of World, If he wants to avoid some serious pain he'll keep the chair matter to himself. *blushing* mmmmmwahh
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 24
Message: t: I should add Brainwashed sounds more like The Traveling Wilburys to me than Cloud 9 (which I like a lot anyway). The Wilburys was George's project by accident and with some help producing by Jeff Lynne (Otis and Nelson Wilbury)
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 24
Message: schmaltzy
facilitator
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 24
Message: tones: ...or listen to the sound quality of much of John's and George's stuff in the 70s. Spotty. Whatever you think of Paul's lyrics or sometimes schaltzy production, he knows made most of his albums sound at least professional. He and George MArtin came up with a lot of ideas that made the Beatles sound, though it's easy to argue that John, in the pre-Ono days, was the best songwriter.
George, in toto, may have had the best songs and ideas of the post-Beatles era, but he can't read or write music, which always limits what you can do with studio musicians. If you're in a band, that's a different story.
I stayed up late and listened to Brainwashed and Cloud 9 back to back, and there's no comparison on the ELO Intrusion Scale: Cloud Nine a 9 and Brainwashed probably a 3. The oooo-eee's on When We Were Fab are outrageous for example Lynne and Harrison through the Wilbury's, Cloud 9, etc. got to know each other well, so Lynne is more of a facilitaro on this one, although some of his idiosyncracies slip out...but his music is so heavily influenced by late Beatles, it's hard to tell...or perhpas son Dhani pulled the reins in. At any rate George's last one is more pure George - the album is based on his slide, acustic guitars and vocals...how about that cover of Devil and the Deep Blue Sea...and the final product is the cleanest of the ex- Beatles albums with the possible exception of the slick, Martin produced Tug of War
But I would agree with the notion of the ideal Producer as a Facilitator not a Dominator. Katz said in an interview that he was never a knob guy. It is interesting to note how much the Eye to Eye and Laura Nyro albums he produced sound Dan influenced. I think that changed in the 80s with advances in technology - see Gaucho liner notes: "The Birth of the Cruel" - It became forever engrained into the RIAA-Time Warner AOL Ted Turner star machine. Note that no one really took the PRODUCER of Milli Vanilli to task, just the dancing dopes..like arresting the addicts instead of the pushers...
User: King Of the World, Hello One and All | Month: 10 | Day: 24
Message: Viking....
I've posted when drunk, and it can be kind of interesting, if you define 'alarming' as a subsection of interesting. You may be wishing for a time machine right now. I wouldn't worry about it.
I must hear more about that chair.
User: Jen, that was the point ! | Month: 10 | Day: 24
Message: The Viking was joking! Honey you really do need to lighten up. You'd pee your pants if he ever paid you any attention. If he did the dirty boogie with you, my guess is you'd be like some little pup.
User: tones | Month: 10 | Day: 24
Message: ¦ - Interesting you hear Lynne's production as restained... while I hear it as more of the same... except for the fact that George's guitar and vocals are way out front. But when I talked to a friend about this, he brought up a point that I wanted to present to the GB at large.
My friend made the point that artists need producers to translate their vision for the masses. While I understand the positive role a good producer can play, for the most part I think it's just another layer of bullshit between the artist and the audience, an unnecessary translation of what the artist is trying to communicate. For this reason I almost always prefer self produced albums. To me the best producers make themselves invisible on the final product. In the case of the Dan, though Gary Katz was listed as producer of the 70's stuff, I always had the impression that he handled the business and the Two handled the creative decisions, thus there was no producer telling them how he felt things should sound.
But hey, I love the Beatles, and I truly understand the role George Martin had in making those records sound so great. Especially when you hear Let It Be and see what Phil Spector might have done (wrong) if he had produced them. To me, George Martin had the taste to be only as intrusive as he had to be to make the song great. The production was never the point of the recording.
Nowadays the producer seems to think he's the reason people buy the cd (actually, he's probably more talented then most the new "artists" he produces). And one of the reasons pop music all sounds the same is because everyone wants to use the "hot" producers on their albums, or try to replicate the sound of those hot producers instead of trying to enhance the uniqueness of the specific artist.
Anyone else have an opinion on this?
User: Jen | Month: 10 | Day: 24
Message: I see the so called "viking warrior" in a whole
different light. Imagining this grown man
who appears to live with his Daddy
jerking off until dear old Dad yells....."Hey, viking
warrior"....ENOUGH
ALREADY !! I needed a laugh....
User: Moll ................oops forgot the most important thing | Month: 10 | Day: 24
Message: St.Al, you're still amoung us then?!!!!!!!! Hi Sexy. *kiss and hug*
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 24
Message: My Viking, no more posting while you're f***ed up ok?
lol lol I miss you too BTW. *kisses~~~~~~~~~*
Drew, no can do babe. Stan and
I are attending the ballet that evening. Birthday party for Jesus that weekend.
Call and we'll work something out though. My mails are bouncing again.
BB, Hi
ya!
User: StAL | Month: 10 | Day: 24
Message: Beer (a.k.a. Old Fart II): This is a longtime ribbing I've been sticking to Clas for years. He knows I mean nothing by it. Though Jackson's music does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for me, I still recognize his talent and understand how it may affect others differently. He is a great songwriter no doubt...
StAl
User: Razor Boy | Month: 10 | Day: 24
Message: Just to follow up on Tony Shanks' message below, the Okla. City tribute show on Saturday, Dec. 14 will feature the 11-member band Banana Seat (no sequencing, please, we're British!) and various special guests. Three scintillating sets of Dan/Fagen material, including one classic album from first note to last (though we'll keep everyone in suspense as to which one it is!) Hope you can make it out!
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 10 | Day: 24
Message: David Lindley! That's his name.
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 23
Message: OK, I was wrong. On third listen, The Rising Sun may be as good as any recording by any ex-Beatle...like a really good Moody Blues song with better lyrics...
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 23
Message: Listening to Brainwashed. A very sharp. clean, professional sounding album. George's voice is surprisingly strong on most songs and his slide guitar is just prime stuff, reminiscent of late Beatles & early 70s periods. The instrumental slide Marwa Blues is nothing short of a miracle. Most songs are simple blues structure of the Traveling Wilbury's or Let it Be vein - in fact, P2 Vatican Blues would have been one of the best recordings on LIB. Sure there's a taste of ELO, but Lynne keeps it subdued when compared to Cloud 9. Lynne's been given a hard time in the past when he's heavy handed on the production, but once upon a time, ELO made a decent album or two like Eldorado. The key this time is clarity.
It's certainly more of an album about living and reflection than of dying. Rising Sun, Never Get Over You, and Brainwashed best reflect those unusual, twisting, interesting melodies and harmonies that characterized George in the past (self-titled 1979 album is full of them - when are they going to re-master the whole catalog??). Any Road, P2 Vatican Blues, Pices Fish are a conspicuous start. Looking for my Life could be a single and sounds like something off All Things Must Pass. All in all, a very consistent recording with high sound quality, which is something that was not ideal on most of Harrison's solo efforts. In a better world, George Martin would have produced those 70s Harrison recordings. No highs as high as What is Life or When We Were Fab, but unlike the other albums, a No Dud Zone...probably ranks up with the best of any of the Post-Beatles albums (for whatever that's worth)...certainly better than Double Fantasy which garnered a lot of sympathy Grammys - this one probably deserves at least a nomination...
User: Beerberian | Month: 10 | Day: 23
Message: No St Al;
"Nope, the only people still listening to
Jackson Browne are old farts like you Clas. Next stop...The Emerald Queen
Casino... Probably opening for Blood Sweat and Tears." One thing I had ya down
for was musical tolerance ........ Put me down for Old AND Fart then !!
Roy Sc; You need to check the whole Carlos CD "Shaman" a fine, and varied collaborative collection
bluz ; D Krall une nuit dans paris ? qu'est ce qui ce pas... Ce bon n'est pas? ...... oh ee hoh eee hoh :)
User: The Viking | Month: 10 | Day: 23
Message: Ok disregard all my last stuff ok? We shopuld all get Playstaion 2s and just play those fast racing games all the time and smoke more weed and listen to mad pounding dance music and then..........uh...i forgot, i guess just kind of do that eh
User: The Viking | Month: 10 | Day: 23
Message: Fuckin weirdest thing happened to me today-I uh......well, something happened man.i cant really fuckin remember it clearly. Something about some guy................or a girl.........shit i dont really remember. O yeah, and there was another thing. A chair, or something? O i dunno. I have completely forgotten.
User: The Viking | Month: 10 | Day: 23
Message: Molly Babes - last night i was lying in bed, thinkin about you - as usual - and i suddenly got a mental picture in my head of some mad lesbian type thing I'd watched once and I got a mad hard-on. So without further ado i whacked out me wanger and started havin a good old toss. Then my dad started bangin on the wall again so i stopped.I waited two minutes and began again. Anyway. Um. I been reading the banyantrees thing and its got right boring eh?. Aye.....uh ok um - thats all i guess.Sorry for the wankin thing but, well, i dunno. I should not smoke so much of this fuckin exquisite green i got on Monday. Shit is fuckin my head up man i swear.Uh ok folks thats it.
User: StAl | Month: 10 | Day: 23
Message: Reality check -- Jackson Browne could barely fill a 3000 seat arena nowadays. Chicago plays Indian Casinos across the country.
Tom Petty routinely sells out the Gorge.
Nope, the only people still listening to Jackson Browne are old farts like you Clas. Next stop...The Emerald Queen Casino... Probably opening for Blood Sweat and Tears.
http://www.emeraldqueen.com/
StAl
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 23
Message: I can't get it off my mind, was Jackson Browne an opening act for Tom Petty? It's amazing, there are three big acts in USA; Chicago, Jackson Browne and Fleetwood Mac.
And Tom Petty is the main attraction on this tour!
Well, the world aint what it used to be.
User: ¦ - they ain't no Kajagoogoo | Month: 10 | Day: 23
Message: correction:1st album (don't have this one) had the *single* Talk Talk but was called The Party's Over
AMG Biography û Talk Talk
"With the exception of a handful of common threads ù chief among them the plaintive vocals and haunting lyrics of frontman Mark Hollis ù there is little to suggest that the five studio LPs which make up the Talk Talk oeuvre are indeed the work of the same band throughout. After beginning their career with records which virtually epitomize the new wave era which spawned them, the British group never looked back, making significant strides with each successive album on their way to discovering a wholly unique and uncategorizable sound informed by elements of jazz, classical and ambient music; their masterful final recordings, while neglected commercially, possess a timelessness rare among music of any genre, and in retrospect they seem the clear starting point for the post-rock movement of the 1990s.
The story of Talk Talk begins with singer/songwriter Hollis, the younger brother of Ed Hollis, a disc jockey and producer who went on to manage such punk-era bands as Eddie and the Hot Rods. Mark originally planned to become a child psychologist, but in 1975, he left university to relocate to London, eventually forming a band called the Reaction; Ed Hollis called in a few favors, and in 1977, the Reaction recorded a demo tape for Island Records. Among the tracks was a Hollis original titled "Talk Talk," which later surfaced on the Beggars Banquet punk compilation Streets. After just one single, 1978's "I Can't Resist," the Reaction disbanded, and through his brother, Hollis was first introduced to bassist Paul Webb, drummer Lee Harris and keyboardist Simon Brenner, with whom he formed Talk Talk in 1981.
After recording a number of demos with producer Jimmy Miller, Talk Talk signed to EMI, who assigned Duran Duran producer Colin Thurston to helm their first two singles, "Mirror Man" and "Talk Talk." Clearly, EMI's intent was to mold the band in the spirit of the New Romantic movement, and towards that end, they also tapped Talk Talk as the opener on Duran Duran's 1982 U.K. tour. Their debut LP, The Party's Over, was indeed a product of its times, defined by contemporary synth-pop sensibilities but with an honesty and lyrical depth absent from most other records of the moment. In 1983, Talk Talk resurfaced with the single "My Foolish Friend," which in itself marked a major leap from the first record with its denser and more mature sound; the subsequent dismissal of Brenner made it plain that the band's days of relying on synthesizers were over for good.
The remainder of 1983 was spent writing and recording It's My Life, Talk Talk's breakthrough recording. The turning point was the arrival of producer and multi-instrumentalist Tim Friese-Green, who was to remain an unofficial fourth member of the band for the remainder of their existence. In Friese-Green, Hollis found the ideal partner to realize his ambitions; It's My Life made major strides away from The Party's Over, rejecting the debut's new wave trappings in favor of richer, more natural textures. The gambit worked, with the title track becoming a hit on both sides of the Atlantic. 1986's The Colour of Spring continued the trend, and on the strength of the smashes "Life Is What You Make of It" and "Give It Up," it became Talk Talk's best-selling album to date. A major world tour followed, with EMI allotting an enormous budget for the group's next effort.
In 1987, Talk Talk settled into an abandoned Suffolk church to begin working on their fourth LP; EMI executives eagerly awaited the finished product ù and they were to continue waiting, as the group worked far past their deadline, seemingly with no end in sight. Already well over budget, Hollis refused to allow label heads any advance tapes, and informed EMI that not only would there be no singles from the record, but that the group would be unable to re-create the complex arrangements onstage and, as a consequence, would perform no live dates in support of the disc's release. Finally, after some 14 months in the studio, Spirit of Eden was issued to thunderous critical acclaim, albeit little commercial interest; an intricate, meditative work, it bore little resemblance to standard pop music, with its lengthy songs and spacious, organic arrangements perhaps closest in theme and texture to jazz.
With relations between EMI and Talk Talk already at their breaking point, the
label made the decision to issue an edited single version of the Spirit of Eden
track "I Believe in You" without the band's consent; EMI then attempted to drop
the group from their roster, although their contract had not yet expired. Talk
Talk then sued the label; improbably enough, EMI countersued, claiming breach of
contract. The band eventually prevailed in court, later signing to Polydor to
begin work on their next LP; Paul Webb subsequently left Talk Talk, and the
masterful Laughing Stock was recorded primarily with guest musicians. Issued in
1991, the LP marked a complete break from convention, adopting an almost
free-form aesthetic; however, it was also Talk Talk's final work ù in 1992, Webb
and Harris reunited in 'O'Rang, while Hollis disappeared from view, finally
issuing his self-titled solo debut in early 1998. A live Talk Talk release,
London 1986, appeared in 1999. ù Jason Ankeny"
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 23
Message: St Al: ...and you should see the ads in the newspapers.
Hmmmm...You're probably thinking about Talk Talk's eponymous first album... and maybe the really weird, but cool electronica of It's My Life (great video), where they start to make a big left turn. Colour of Spring abandons drum machines for the real thing and features Rhodes, organ (some by Stevie Winwood), guitar...Then Spirit of Eden and later Laughing Stock are all pretty much acoustic and on the opposite end of the spectrum from "electronic" groove music...it's "wide open spaces" music...as far left field as it gets...
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 10 | Day: 23
Message: MU: Kind of ironic (and hypocritical) considering Dallas has as many strip clubs as LA has donut shops (or Seattle has coffee shops).
I posses a surprising 14 recordings from that list. Almost of of those were recorded from 1988 on -- when hair bands and electronic crap like Talk Talk started fading fast.
Violent Femmes. Now that was a great album.
StAl
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 23
Message: Mark in Boston - oh, it's not Jay from Jay and the Americans? Who is then?
Mu - never mind, just forget about it, okay?
User: Gina | Month: 10 | Day: 23
Message: LOL, well doc Mu, sure proves this Climax Band we're all in here for doesn't really come cheap, does it ......
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 22
Message: Steely Dan III to be executed here in Texas:
http://www.news-journal.com/news/newsfd/auto/feed/news/2002/11/21/1037856026.03162.8221.2870.html
User: FreeBird | Month: 10 | Day: 22
Message: Clas--I promised you a review of the Jackson Browne show tonight in Austin and here it is: He forgot the words to Running on Empty and actually mumbled "It would help if I could remember the fuckin' words". True Story. His guitarist, Michael Goldenberg, amazed a jaded Austin audience with his 6-string pyrotechnics. The most disturbing thing about Browne's set was how much he looked like Henry Winkler in profile.
Tom Petty was the headliner and I'm going to buy his new CD tomorrow. He mixed the old and the new flawlessly and proudly proclaimed that we were the sponsors of the show and that he would never let corporate America use one of his songs in a car commercial. He then defiantly launched into the song, "Runnin' Down a Dream". You shoulda' been there but then again, that's why I'm here.
Reporting as Promised,
FreeBird
User: G. | Month: 10 | Day: 22
Message: see url above ...
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 22
Message: Gina - and what bothers me with those scared little pricks are that they are pure racists. "Keep Sweden Sweedish". What the hell is that supposed to mean? Where do THEY come from, their families? When asking them they say, ûUhum, well, my great great grandfather came in from Poland... or Finland.
History is not ending here and now, people move, there's always been general migrations, and there will always be.
User: G. | Month: 10 | Day: 22
Message: aloha Clas :-)
You're wearing your Persona Non Grata
tie today? Kidding ofcourse ...
Yes, to be confronted with refugees tends to
put things in perspective again, we all have the luxury of whining, right? And
count our blessings for what we have and are able to do, like ride the wave of
the online vibes in the colors of our own tribes and all that lol
No sense in
feeling responsible for others if you can't really help, even with a load of
money you'd gladly give to those less fortunate it's still like carrying water
to the sea where the political Neptunes polish their skin rubbing it in the
ashes of nameless souls gone back to bones and beyond :-)
America has the death penalty. Our dutch goverment fell and elections coming up in january again. The party of last year's assasinated politician wants to re-install the death penalty here in the Netherlands again. Quite an interesting turn in events, given historical backgrounds in this world we live in. Compared to the States life in Europe is very protected, speaking in general. The majority can live in peace, prosperity and luxury, even those depending on social services. We speak of poverty when one can't afford the latest DVD player or doesn't own two cars.
So good there's music around to kick reality and the ways of human
nature.
fav of the day is Duke's Let's Roll. Christian McBride providing a
bassline with a fundamental ease. Cool!
Smooth Jazz Radio had Jack of Speed playing yesterday, and funny enough some of the Nightfly album. Jack of Speed struck me with nostalgia for the Royal Scam guitar licks. Was half asleep so it seemed as if the track was take to the cleaners and found itself a retro-coat. Very curious now about the new Steely Dan CD ...
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: Goodmorning Gina.
I use to ask people who's sitting around the coffee-break-table, whining about refugees coming to Sweden "taking all our money", if they believe those people are moving from their country just for the fun of it. It takes a great deal to break up.
Spoiled Swedes, whining about taxes.
---
dr Mu - I have something for you that might interest you, email me on address above.
User: Gina | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: Nice to see Roy Orbison's Mystery Girl in doc Mu's list ... had a spin of some old vinyl the other day and had a glance at his tragic biography ... mmmmm ...
read the interview thingie on the BB and Michael Franks, his passion for
Gauguin..
as well as anything attracting Americans to European stuff ... like
DF &WB took an interest in the european social-economy kinda structure ...
and vice versa, what makes Europeans take a interest in America.
my parents live close to a hostel and yesterday i saw a family walk by, young
folks and three small children, few luggage and cheap clothing. could see by
their features they come from eastern europe, there are still refugees wandering
around here. their faces fatigued. just now i saw them pass by our house again,
hair wet from the showers, the husband carrying one child, the mother the baby
and the other small one holding hands with his mommy and trying to keep up with
their pace. they're definitely not on holiday. it shows in their faces. sad.
real sad.
the way the mother looked around at the houses and homes, the way
the father looked straight ahead with a sense of responsibility however ...
and we fight silly little wars in online forums ...
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: Cut from the Polar Prize press conference:
Question: Is it true that you went to Staten Island to buy yourself a mandolin?
Mitchell: Yes, yes!
User: db | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: 14/100... thats not to bad
User: Bill | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: Roy Scam,
I agree, Carlos Santana is a true artist. "Game of Love" with
Michelle
Branch is an excellent song and once again Santana mixes old
and
young and comes up with a winner.
At the end of the video someone pulls away in light blue 1963 Chevy
Nova
sedan, I get a kick out of that because I own two of them
(a 2 door hardtop
and a convertible). That car is a true piece of
classic 60's Americana.
Carlos is the real deal...
User: Roy.Scam | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: I'm wondering if any of you have heard Carlos Santana's solo on the Currently popular Michelle Branch song (I think it's called "Game of Love" or "Game of Life"). I like it so much that it immediately reminded me of Walter Becker's "Bad Sneakers" solo; am I alone and/or delusional in this judgement? -- The mere personal, internal insinuation that he might be emulating Walter's guitar work makes it my favorite Santana solo.
I had a numbing thought today after I'd hit the Scan button on my car radio and was listening to it cough and sputter through a colorless marsh of mediocrity: In twenty years, the Oldies stations may be playing Christine Aguilera, 2-Live Crew, and The Spice Girls.
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: lp: No Meat Puppets or Gang of Four, but I'm afraid I have 16 - at leasst not Duran Duran
Talk Talk - East of Eden
Talk Talk - Colour of Spring
Talking Heads -
Remain in Light
XTC - Skylarking (Tood Rundgren was the best thing that ever
happened to them)
Prince - Purple Rain
Noseless Baby Torturer -
Thriller
U2 - Joshua Tree
REM - Document
Elvis C - Imperial
Bedroom
Police - Synchrnocity
Police - Ghost in the Machine (suprised this
was there - underrated, created its own soundscape)
They Might Be Giants -
Lincoln
the dBs - stands for decibels
Paul Simon - Graceland
Kate Bush
- Sounds of Love
David Bowie - Scary Monsters
I owned Dukes of Stratosphere (XTC in disguise) for a week
They did seem to be obssessed with a few groups...
Obviously, where is the Nightfly? Gaucho?
other overlooked wonders:
Peter Gabriel - Security, So
REM - Life's Rich Pageant
EC - Blood &
Chocolate, Spike
Danny Wilson - Meet Danny Wilson
Prefab Sprout - pick an
album (Two Wheels Good, From Langley Park to Memphis, etc.)
Paul Simon -
Hearts and Bones (just think if he hadn't erased Garfunkel's vocals weeks before
the release)
no China Crisis?
Dire Straits - surely making Movies or Love
Over Gold or even Brothers in Arms (if only for the guitar on the title
track)
Split Enz - Waiata (with History Never Repeats, One Step
Ahead)
Crowded House - Temple of Low Men
Tom Petty - Hard Promises (don't
laugh, this is s Great album!)
Stevie Wonder - Hotter Than July
Sad CafT -
Sad CafT
Neville Brothers - Yellow Moon
Los Lobos - Will the Wolf
Survive?
Roy Orbison - Mystery Girl (sentimental pick)
User: King of the World | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: People here were talking about Heathen by Bowie, and in listening to it now for the first time, and what should i find grabbing my attention but... damn, that's familiar... it's the ancient Neil Young song I'd recently discovered, and had been obsessing over for a year or so, off and on. It's pretty obscure, and no one mentions it--- "I've Been Waiting for You", from NYs first, in '68.
User: t - What? No Gaucho? | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: I have 20, had 9 more at one point or another, and have been meaning to buy about 10 more for fifteen years...
User: Aja...............is it Friday yet? | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: I have 11-all on vinyl. LOL!
Aja
User: angel | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: Aaaak! Only 1 album in the bunch and the guy on the cover of that album isn't even black anymore. :-)
User: | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: lp... can we count albums we *used* to own?
User: can you see the real B? cantcha? cantcha? | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: Hey, dipface at 3326, you calling me an asshole?
See
that, StAl? Smiley down there is calling me an asshole, just like that,
gratuitously.
There's a split so you can jack off easier, yeah, that's
right.
Moron.
Or maybe by B., you meant Bill or that Beer guy? That bluz
fella?
huh?
Whatever...
User: bass-ically... | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: ...it seems to me that Jaco blew sax lines on bass when he played with Joni... somewhat... i.e. Coyote... Wayne Shorter filled that spot later on....
imho
User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: i will say i own 18 of these releases - lol
top 100 releases of the 1980's, bink here or above:
http://pitchforkmedia.com/top/80s/index10.shtml
what's in your cd rack?
User: H¦'S ON FIRST | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: We take you now to the Oval Office:
George: Condi! Nice to see you. What's happening?
Condi: Sir, I have the report here about the new leader of China.
George: Great. Lay it on me.
Condi: Hu is the new leader of China.
George: That's what I want to know.
Condi: That's what I'm telling you.
George: That's what I'm asking you. Who is the new leader of China?
Condi: Yes.
George: I mean the fellow's name.
Condi: Hu.
George: The guy in China.
Condi: Hu.
George: The new leader of China.
Condi: Hu.
George: The Chinaman!
Condi: Hu is leading China.
George: Now whaddya' asking me for?
Condi: I'm telling you Hu is leading China.
George: Well, I'm asking you. Who is leading China?
Condi: That's the man's name.
George: That's who's name?
Condi: Yes.
George: Will you or will you not tell me the name of the new leader
of
China?
Condi: Yes, sir.
George: Yassir? Yassir Arafat is in China? I thought he was in
the
Middle
East.
Condi: That's correct.
George: Then who is in China?
Condi: Yes, sir.
George: Yassir is in China?
Condi: No, sir.
George: Then who is?
Condi: Yes, sir.
George: Yassir?
Condi: No, sir.
George: Look, Condi. I need to know the name of the new leader of
China.
Get
me the Secretary General of the U.N. on the phone.
Condi: Kofi?
George: No, thanks.
Condi: You want Kofi?
George: No.
Condi: You don't want Kofi.
George: No. But now that you mention it, I could use a glass of
milk.
And
then get me the U.N.
Condi: Yes, sir.
George: Not Yassir! The guy at the U.N.
Condi: Kofi?
George: Milk! Will you please make the call?
Condi: And call who?
George: Who is the guy at the U.N?
Condi: Hu is the guy in China.
George: Will you stay out of China?!
Condi: Yes, sir.
George: And stay out of the Middle East! Just get me the guy at the
U.N.
Condi: Kofi.
George: All right! With cream and two sugars. Now get on the phone.
(Condi picks up the phone.)
Condi: Rice, here.
George: Rice? Good idea. And a couple of egg rolls, too. Maybe we
should
send some to the guy in China. And the Middle East. Can you get Chinese food in
the Middle East?
User: :-( | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: Looks like Clas and B. being assholes on the blue. Just a reminder of why there is a split.
User: Jagged Cranium | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: Where's the soda machine around here?
User: Beetleguese | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: Nice Fk'n Model!
User: Bill | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: Bite me Pat!
(sorry, just didn't want you to forget about me)
User: Mahatma Condoleeza Rice Ghandi | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: Oh people of the United States, Europe, Iraq, and Al Qaeda: In honor of George Harrison's beautiful "Brainwashed," you must all immediately convert to Buddhism and stop eating...NOW! Peace comes to those who are emaciated!
User: angel | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: St. Al: Geocaching. That would be www.wilwheaton.net. He
is really into it. Especially around the LA area. Pretty cool thing to do while
walking.
User: king of the world......get out asterisk.....i've filled the fuckin space in... | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: From my musically ignorant pov, i'd guess that that thing she has bass players do IS that characteristic sound of hers, from the late 70s, that you can tell from a mile off, sort of like SD and mu chords? It sounds like it. I'd thought that was a jazz thing she just incorporated.
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: Cuts from the Polar Prize press conference 1996:
Question: How did you come up with those great harmonies, for example, in For the Roses, Blonde in the Bleachers, I think it is great piano playing.
Mitchell: Thank you.
Question: How did you come up with it?
Mitchell: It's just my music, you know. Everything that you admire, I would say in a lifetime I have listened to and enjoyed a lot of music. I could go into a bar and hear a bad lounge band and not be intolerant of it. I could have a good time and look at it as theater, and say isn't this a colorful place and not be offended by the music. If you took me to a concert of that music I would walk. Music leaks into you and I'm not critical of it as I move through the world but the things that have genuinely inspired me gives me goosebumps, and are few and far between. They can come from any field. Anything you admire goes into you and doesn't necessarily come out immediately. It becomes an influence, not something that you emulate or say "I'm going to make music like that," but maybe 20 years down the line suddenly there it comes out of your music; this thing that you appreciated. Edith Piaf was my second thrill musically. I can't say that I emulated Edith in any way, but every once in a while I'd hear a note or a timbre or a dramatic phrasing and I feel her presence.
Question: I think you should play more piano!
Mitchell: Well, my chops are very down on the piano. My housekeeper painted it brown while I was away on tour at one point and killed it and I've lost my virtuosity, which was dubious to begin with!
Question: Do you miss Jaco Pastorius on your recording sessions?
Mitchell: Jaco was doing something I was dreaming of at the time that I came to work with him. I kept asking bass players to do certain things and they'd say the bass doesn't do that. Then I'd say why? And they'd say because it doesn't! It seemed, in my field at that time--you have to understand that I started in this much music, the voice and the guitar. There is much more music below it, and much music above it, symphonically speaking. So just myself and the guitar, we made about this much of the spectrum. So I began to add up. I started by adding up because I could do it myself, stacking vocal harmonies, beginning to see how harmony working moving upward, then stacking down within the limitations of my voice and my instrument. I needed help, so then I began to say to the bass player and the drummer, "what if you did this?" Oh, no, it doesn't do that. They were very stubborn. Sonically, they were very stubborn. There were things that were hip and they wouldn't budge from them. They would not be "un-hip" because hip is like a herd mentality. So finally what I wanted the bass to do was more like symphonic music. Why did it have to just stay and poke a dot all along like fence posts. Why couldn't it lift up and play counter-melody in the middle and then come back down? Ok, it's not like it has to drop out, just seem to drop out, just go into the mid-range so that the bottom gets some relief. Nobody would do it. Then the beginning of synthesizers that you didn't have to be a jet pilot to operate began to appear and there was one in the hall that someone had rented and it was waiting to be picked up. I dragged it into the studio and put my own bass line on and said, "OK," to the bass player, "play this." And he said he wouldn't play it--it was wrong, he said. Then somebody finally said to me, you know, there is a kid that plays in Miami--he plays with Phyllis Diller and Bob Hope. He's really weird, you'd probably like him! So I sent for Jaco and he was doing everything that I wanted a bass player to do.
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: Any Geocachers out there? I got a GPS for my birthday and I immediately went to this site:
http://www.geocaching.com
Mu, MC; you two might be interested in this if you haven't already explored.
Another cool thing looming on the horizon. Activision is about to release an online version of The Sims (any players out there?). It sounds very interesting. A virtual community. Should be popular with the folks who like to spend time chatting and instant messaging. The great thing is you don't have to be into the whole Dungeons and Dragons thing to play a game. Already formulating plans for a "Steely Dan House." Have to wait to see the final product, but I'm thinking there's potential to weave it into this website.
User: Jackson Browne | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: That's why I slapped the bitch!
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: Joni Mitchell then proceeds to choke Clas the Inquisitor
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 21
Message: Cut from The Polar Prize press-conference 1996:
Question: If both of you were on the jury for the next Polar Music Prize, who would you give it to?
Mitchell: Gee, I don't know.
Boulez: I'm never on a jury.
Mitchell: It's hard to judge, most of the music I love the creators of it are dead. I don't know.
Question: Speaking of pop music, do you like Steely Dan?
Mitchell: Oh, I love Steely Dan. There's a good choice!
Question: Would you let them produce you?
Mitchell: It will not be, I don't need a producer nor do I want a producer. Why do you want me to have a producer?
User: Beerberian ... | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: GB; to those who have ......I salute U .........To any aussies (yeah NO A ) I say FU ......... children please don't dri nk it cfauses gaps AND scarlry extra letrrrres in your taipin ;)
Carlos still can RRRRRRock ...
User: toenz | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: ¯ - about what you were saying about releasing albums direct to the consumer: Peter Gabriel is releasing the 5.1 mix of Up for the Windoze Media Player 9 through the net. Almost makes me want to buy a PC and a few more speakers just to be surrounded by PG. Almost hell... I would if I could...
Hutch - too funny. How much you wanna bet she just spelled it wrong...
User: k of w | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: Inexactitude--- I'm way too solipsistic, so I'm glad to find the 'required fields' thing isn't just happening to me. It's happening less now, I think. Watch, it'll happen now, just 'cause I said that.
User: Not exactly | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: Blaise
You're right, it was covered before but you are wrong. The leeches are not an invention of Donald and Walter nor the webdrone. They are commonly provided by Web Hosting services. More than a few pagesùSteely Dan connected and otherwiseùhave "leeches" embedded in them. Leeches are simply are dummy addresses designed to satiate various crawlers and spiders, causing them to get their fill and move on before they get to actual legit addresses. No one should be interpretting these leeches pages as Steely Dan material. They are an anti-spam measure that is moderately successful.
P.S. This friggin' post form doesn't always accept posts even if I fill in all the fields. Says fields are empty any ways.
User: poo | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message:
"Why"
Stain, smell, dirty
Why God, Why?
Smell, bum, cat poo
Why God, Why?
What have I done to deserve this white horror?
Surrounded on all sides
with the Hell of cat poo
Like a byron character, I'm wordy and alone
Why
God, Why?
Food, stain, worms
Why God, Why?
Cat poo, worms, dirty
Why God, Why?
What have I done to deserve this white disaster that is my
life?
Surrounded on all sides with the Hell of cat poo
Like a byron
character, I'm wordy and alone
Why God, Why?
What have I done to deserve this white misery?
Surrounded on all sides
with the Hell of cat poo
Like a byron character, I'm wordy and alone
Why
God, Why?
Why God, Why?
Why God, Why?
Why God, Why?
Why God, Why?
User: db | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: ¯uoysie
Ok there's plenty of information attached to
the tracks
Links to places to buy the stuffàagain
How many more
times?
Quality wise the online stuff is years away yetàmy guess is about 5
years.
I'm of the opinion after hearing a few that DVD-A is the way forward,
The only problem I can see for D&W is that they will no longer be able to re
''sell'' there back catalouge once it's all reached a certain qualityàsay like
DVD-A.
My only concerne with the ''eventual'' re-re-re-re-leases of the back
catalogue.
Are there enough raw materials to make a great sounding disc ?
The long-term future for D&W I'm glad to say looks like more ''new
ones''.
I'm afraid the technology available today means saying goodbye to the
past.
I hope they save everything somewhereàI do you never know!!
I can
imagine a guy at warnerbros loading the ''new'' one onto the server, he's got
the disc direct fed-ex from riversoundàall I have to do is load the disc &
press downloadà
Everyone can then help themselves.
SHIT it's 10:30 I'll
just finish this greasy bacon sandwich with mayo onà.
Right back to
workàwhere's that disc gone !!!!
p.s. what happened to www.giantrecords.com
User: blaise heure | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: For the record, the leeches page on the ODP is a sort of
freely associative venture, an initiative of the founders of Steely Dan and/or
Webdrone. This we covered on this yellow page a couple of years ago, but can't
remember the jive in detail right now.
html gibberish, maybe?
Can't
recall.
And also was covered the Kipling connection to that decent outtake,
the Bear song, however you call it, around the time it was first made available
on the now-defunkt Andy Metzger site. I think it was now-MIA oleander mentioning
that, but can't be sure.
What happens when you've been around too long.
hell.com? Pfa. Been there done that...
User: YGK | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: And to all you Alanis, *gulp* lovers out there - it's the..................
Alanis Lyric Generator
check it
out.............
http://www.brunching.com/alanislyrics.html
ygk
User: G. | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: LOL it changes too, those pages change ...
User: YGK | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: And if you really want to wonder wha the Hell it is......
go to
hell.com
ygk
User: Gina | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: Interesting question, Dennis. cut the index off and you find the Linden Cascading Retired Tolerances page, also enigmatic. My first thought was Scrabble. This is Scrabble. I doubt whether that's the answer you came looking for here .........
Any Top Ten Answers to Dennis' Q would be welcome
............
Takers????
User: ¯uoy | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: Toying with Windows Media 9 Beta, I realized I may be
seeing the future of "albums", not necessarily CDs exclusively anymore but also
soundfiles one can stream or get from legit sources and put on a cd, dvd or
whatever may come along as support. When I put 2VN to play on the computer, what
I got to read was different from liner notes usually accompanying records. It
downloaded some flash program including lyrics, photos, bio, discography of
given artist and others "related" you can buy, etc,... a whole bunch of info.
And I figure this package could be expanded infinitely now and take many
forms, especially if the artist has a say. Then, it could get downright
interesting. This is the new "album". And yes, the cover of vinyls did make
better plane for rolling fatties but this is promising, no shit.
Wonder if
the Next One will be available faster online, at least in part, as a sort of
preview through Pressplay (with which Warner Records signed) or whatever
service. If you take the flash tour of pressplay, you recognize the old Real
Jukebox behind the Windows Media 9 interface that they've integrated in the site
and it's rather well done. It's a whole new rapport to the product that's
involved here.
Anyway... check it out.
User: dennis | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: http://steelydan.com/leeches/index.html
can someone tell me what this is
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: The Smokeout is going to be GREAT! Doors open at 3:20, Which One's Pink? hits the [second] stage at 3:30 and is off by 4:00!
User: hmm | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: sounds like a party?
User: ehhhh | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: just had 3 17yr old drunk carol singers round !!!!!
User: duncan | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: Arlean: you get that e-mail i sent you?
Beers: Bappy
Hirthday.
Fingers: welcome back..sort off.
MC: keep the pics
coming...1024x728 please
Cyn: f****in cold ere or what.
Dano:
thirsty?
Face: accidently cut off all dan's hair...pics in the new gallery
''crazy rodger daltry baby'' LOL
Steveedan: your working to hard.
Gina:
heading your way again early 03
Moll: got greeting thanks
StAl:
thanks
Randy: likewise for the first day release
previous..82 diary of a
madmad-ozzy
to early to start getting excited?
db
User: tones | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: BB - Happy b-day! Hoist one for you for me...
Bow - Yum. Tastes like "hypocritical cranky old fart."
User: BB's B-Day | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: BB "Happy Birthday" all the best and more..you have
great taste in
music.
Jude Love Ya"
For those of you who thought "Blue Cheer" was just another box of
soap"
"brainwashed" is outstanding..even in death his memory and work
will
outshine the conceited one.
rock on"
bluz
User: h = <sum>¦«å¿???â¬??â¬??? | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: Yup. Her son is indeed named "Aja." Comes up every now and then in various SD forums, but she doesn't have a thing for our heroes.
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: Howard: Very interesting find - I think my Dad read me that one as a kid
In honor of Michael Jackson - more prospective titles:
Up Your Nose
Hold Up (the Baby)
Worked Up
Washed Up
User: Hutch | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: Watching Letterman last night and Shania Twain was the
first guest. I was just about to fall asleep listening to her talk about why she
moved to Switzerland ("for privacy"). Gee, the life of a celebrity is SOOOO
tough isn't it?
Anyway I was jolted awake when Dave asked her about her 18
month old son. "What's his name"?
It sounded like she said "Aja".
Dave
asked her how it was spelled and she said E-J-A.
So I was waiting for the SD
connection when he asked her why she picked that name.
She said, "I just like
the sound of it".
Then she started singing a song and I nearly fell off the couch trying to get to the flipper.
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: HAPPY BITRTHDAY BB!!!!!!! *kisses,hugs x's 43*
I
hope your special day is filled with joy and good things!
Randy, I've been eagerly awaiting Brainwashed since reading about it. YAY!!!
Earl, Congrats on the news of your baby.
King of World, Darlin we'll get
it sorted. As another wild man I know says " Fuck em and feed em fish heads"
He'll probably outlive all of us. Thanks for greeting thingy.
Dr Mu, it
sounds like a good time was had by all. *wink* Weddings are supposed to be like
that.
Wild Bill, speaking of weddings...... If 3 or 4 mean-looking, big guys
show up on your doorstep, Don't be alarmed! It's just my brothers there to
interrogate you.
Jaz, come back to us. The Starland Vocal Band isn't all
that... Now the Moody Blues are an entirely different matter..lol lol
Midnite Cruiser, I loved the photo. It resembles the foliage here in
Kentucky. The Appalachian Mountains are beautiful this time of year.
Bluz,
It's just the isotope level, makes everyone act goofy. It'll be okay babe. I'm
listening to BB King today.
Off to make my baby some fudge and pralines.
Peace and Love M.
User: Bill (What's wrong with music : Part 1) | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: Yep, the music industry is a shambles. With the
predominate "artform"
being Rap "music", one might ask "How the hell did this
happen?".
Well I have a theory on this that doesn't only involve the
music
industry...
Back in the day as they say, things were built to last. The
average
consumer was a whole lot more demanding having been through
the
great depresssion and all. Having known extremely hard times,
our
parents generation just wasn't that easy to sell to. If you had
a
product to sell it had better be good and it had better stand
up to
punishment and it had better last, otherwise you wouldn't
be in business
very long my friend. You can see this lasting
quality in just about
everything that was made back then, from
homes to cars to forks and knives,
everything was built better.
Here's where things went wrong...
Sometime in the late 60's companies
began to be run by people with
degrees in finance and accounting rather than
engineering. These
so-called "Efficiency Experts" came to the table with a
new set
of ideas. The formula was simple, "Give em' less but charge more".
It started slowly at first. Cars began to have more plastic than
steel.
Homes began to be made of plywood rather than individual
boards. Productivity
and profits began to determine the engineering
of a product, not the quality
and durability as in the past.
The music industry followed suit. Disco music was cheap and simple
but the
marketablity and profitability of it was huge. New Wave
and Punk was more of
the same. Now there's Rap "music" which is
really, really cheap to produce
and really, really profitable for
the corporations that push the stuff.
And so we have a consistent downward spiral of low quality products
with
high quality prices. Mass music sucks, you can't work on your
own car
anymore, your new house is ready to blow over with the
first big storm, and
the consumer has been reduced to nothing more
than a helpless drone, a
lever-pulling automaton who buys what
the company offers him or her without
question. When nothing of
quality is offered, the masses will buy what is
availiable, even
if it's cheap junk.
All the while the corporate money machine keeps humming along knowing
one
thing... It's advertising that sells products, not the products themselves.
User: Randy | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message:
While genuinely enjoying only a smattering of her
work since 1984's 'Wild Things Run Fast,' Joni Mitchell has more class,
intelligence and integrity than the majority of artists/musicians out there put
together; her work through the seventies put(s) her in a class virtually by
herself (a class which also includes messrs. Walter Becker and Donald Fagen).
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: Howard | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message:
Following up a lead from the steely dan newsgroup, I
discovered this connection with the "You Got The Bear" Steely outtake. You live
and learn!
"The Truce of the Bear", Rudyard Kipling.
Yearly, with tent and rifle, our careless white men go
By the pass called
Muttianee, to shoot in the vale below.
Yearly by Muttianee he follows our
white men in --
Matun, the old blind beggar, bandaged from brow to chin.
Eyeless, noseless, and lipless -- toothless, broken of speech,
Seeking a
dole at the doorway he mumbles his tale to each;
Over and over the story,
ending as he began:
"Make ye no truce with Adam-zad -- the Bear that walks
like a Man!
"There was a flint in my musket -- pricked and primed was the pan,
When I
went hunting Adam-zad -- the Bear that stands like a Man.
I looked my last on
the timber, I looked my last on the snow,
When I went hunting Adam-zad fifty
summers ago!
(full text at http://www.boondocksnet.com/ai/kipling/kipling1898truce.html)
Apparently Kipling was voicing fears of a Russian expansion/invasion. Not sure exactly how this ties in with the Steely track though...
Howard
User: opp's..... | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: up's outside ya head I say up's outside your
head
User: Furthermore... | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: UP in Canada, the lady, she speaks out. Listen up now, rap boy:
"Smoking contentedly in the AGO's Agora restaurant, Mitchell lamented the turn the business has taken ù and how far that turn has taken it away from art that matters. "We need a counter-force. We can't all be bitches and ho's," she said, referring to the hip-hop boom that has consumed commercial radio. "The artist's job is to sit on the sidelines. We're supposed to be outcasts. An artist is not a politician. We have to be non-partisan, skeptical.""
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1035774582299&call_pageid=968867495754&col=969483191630
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: A question and an answer at the Polar Prize press-conference 1996:
Question: Joni, maybe this is a stupid question at an occasion like this but have you ever considered giving up smoking?
Mitchell: I've taken every smoking cure known to man and nearly everyone has
nearly killed me so I've decided, for my health, to remain a smoker!
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 20
Message: And I remember back in 1991, sometimes the PC at work became fretful and difficult. And the support-guy on phone usually didn't know shit and in order to get rid of me for a while, he used to advise me to re-install Windows.
At the time the Windows Programme came with 13 floppy disks and it took about two hours to install the beast, and very often, when I reached for the 13th disk to complete the installation, the screen went black. Without no explanation or anything.
User: Free Bird | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: Happy Birthday, Tom Petty.
User: Bow This! | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: Tones----Lick me!
You got more unrelated Steely Dan
stories to tell?
User: ¦ - another Up-inion | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: Lick it Up
Laugh it Up
Look it Up
Live it
Up
Up the Road
Upsy Daisy
Give it Up
Upper Volta
User: Just a few more before I give it UP... | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: Feel You Up
Up All Night
Upside Yo Head
Falling Up
The Upper-most Topper-Most
User: Up-on further review... | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: Just for fun, imagine the name Steely Dan on a cd before these titles:
Ante Up
Mix It Up
Cough It Up
Crank It Up
Get It Up
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: More tentative titles:
Up Chuck
Upper Stratosphere
WhazzzzUp!
UPS (the "Brown" Co. OR a
combo of the last two Gabriel albums)
Wind Up
Time's Up
Hands Up
Up
This
What Goes Down Must Come Up
Up Up Up Up Up Up Up and Down Down Down
Down Down Down Down Down
Up on the Hill
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: Randy, angel: I heard some cuts from Harrison's Last One and what I heard was fantastic. Cloud 9 indeed. Supposedly before his death he asked Lynne not to make this one very "posh," and it seems to have paid off. Dhani, George's son, and Lynne finshed the tracks recorded before Harrison's death almost one year ago. NPR has very good audio, and I could tell, unlike many of Harrison's albums, that the sound clarity was first rate, Harrison's voice stronger than expected, and the tunes reminded me a little of the 1978 underrated eponymous album (the one with Blow Away). Certainly better than Paul's Driving Rain - maybe better than Flaming Pie or up with Harrison's best - I'm very intrigued.
User: | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: played out
User: | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: annoying
User: | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: No, it's just you.
User: Bow This! | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: Stevee---I have a copy of that Sanborn show. Man, did Patty Austin fuck up IGY or what?! You can see Donald in the back ground trying to duck underneath his keyboard. No wonder he doesn't like doing live tv.
Gina...Is it just me, or do others here think that your "Bow" send off's are annoying and played out?
User: Ha! | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: Great minds... eh?
User: Ok... I couldn't resist... | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: Anything to speed UP the release date...
More working title for the "new one":
Up Shit's Creek
Up on the Roof
Up Yours!
Up Against Nature
The Un-cola
User: What? | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: "Up Yours"?
User: going UP... | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: At least Bruce Springsteen showed a little originality. He called his..
The Rising
User: yeah, what's UP with that? | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: 2000 - R.E.M. release Up
Ani Difranco releases Up Up Up Up Up Up Up
2002 - Peter Gabriel (finally) releases Up
Shania Twain releases Up
I think I have another working title for the "new one"...
User: ps | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: oops, must be JEF Lee Johnson. did but no can do such typo :-)
User: Gina | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: Aloha, music talk ... into Ten Miles Jog right from
George Duke's recent CD FACE THE MUSIC and those who remember him being part of
the Zappa tribe way back in the 70-ies, the Overnite Sensation album should not
have a hard time discovering some of a certain Dinah-Moe track in this really
spiced up electric work of craftsmen art.
For the record, cast: George Duke,
Christian McBride on basses, Jee Lee Johnson on guitars, Little John Roberts on
drums, Lenny Castro on percussion, Everette Harp on alto sax, Daniel Higgins on
tenor sax, Oscar Brashear on trumpet & flugelhorn, Isaac Smith on trombone,
Lori Perry-Kenya Hathaway-Jim Gilstrap-Wayne Holmes backing vocals and Kirk
Whalum on tenor sax.
You see, Mr. Duke is like Donald Fagen and Walter Becker in some way ... still around after a few decades and still going strong, presenting music in a formula that has a mark of its own. This Face the Music is eclectic in a musical sense. Very very balanced, LIVE tracks that are right to every dot ....
Banyan Tree 4 Duke & Dan Bow,
G.
User: angel | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: Speaking of the final George Harrison album....
When
I was waiting at the movie theatre Sunday for Harry Potter to begin, there was
something playing on the screen in my theatre. I could tell that George Harrison
and Jeff Lynne were both involved in whatever was going on. I couldn't hear it
and the lights were still up, so we could hardly see it either. Nice of the
theatre to figure little kids wouldn't be interested in this sort of thing and
make it unwatchable. I read about the project in the LA Times on Monday. Now at
least I know what I was missing.... :-(
Did anyone see that George's son
looks just like him, by the way?
Shania Twain has a new album out called (drumroll please) "UP!".
User: Randy | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message:
Steely-folk:
For those who might be interested, the new/last George Harrison album, 'Brainwashed,' came out today; there's a "regular" CD version and a deluxe boxed edition that includes a second disc (DVD) on the making of the album, as well as a poster, guitar pick, etc.
Upon first listen, it's a typically understated album with some great lyrics, tasty slide guitar work, and an overall "upbeat" (and spiritual) perspective... A good one to (sadly) go out on.
Jeff Lynne's presence is obvious but his production style is largely kept in check by George (I'm not a fan of Lynne's production), at least more so than on 1987's 'Cloud Nine.'
First album I've bought on the day of release since 'Two Against Nature' in 2000-
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: Bob Barker | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: how about a case of rice-a-roni for our winner, B?
and the home version of the game?
User: tones - yawning... stretching... | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: um... Will Lee and Chuck Rainey? lol...
It helps to read backwards through the GB...
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: On the question of mixing and release. I can tell you from what is now first hand experience that having a record mixed is nice but doesn't necessarily mean release is on the horizon. Among the other things, they may still have issues with Lp artwork, track order and, of course, mastering. Of course, once the record is "mastered" that doesn't mean automatic approval by the artist to release because there can (and often are) issues with the "master" that might require people to go back to the drawing board. Anyway, I guess its now officially a race -- who will get released first? "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd"? or Steely Dan's new record?
User: belaise | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: My gawd, you guys are good, especially that dot fella.
He got an A+ on that one, giving the source and everything. I guess it wasn't
tough enough. Your prize is... the satisfaction of a job well done.
There.
This just goes to show that, starting with a given set of clues, one
can figure out the rest with decent accuracy.
Just like with the next record,
undoubtedly slated for an early '03 release, considering the signs at
hand.
Doubt it? Why only a fool would say that...
User: Steveedan, reading, reading ... | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: Regarding Post #3093: I am so far behind in reading the GB ...
I have a video recording of that David Sanborn TV show with Fagen backing up Patti Austin on I.G.Y. I also remember Pat Metheny and NRBQ being on the show. It's a shame that eclectic shows like this one never last very long. I tuned in for as many as I could catch.
As far as the mixing = CD is completed ... I too would remain a bit dubious
(well, actually, that's 23 months dubee-less ...) about expecting the eminent
release of a new Dan disk, but ...
Any news is good news ...
Steveedan
User: Beerberian crossing legs | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: They are finally out again. You all know about the
Darwin Awards. It's an annual honor given to the person who did the gene pool
the biggest service by killing themselves in the most extraordinarily stupid
way.
And the 2002 nominees are: In reverse order .......
9. A
young Canadian man, searching for a way of getting drunk cheap, mixed gasoline
with milk. Not surprisingly, this concoction made him ill, and he vomited into
the fireplace in his house. The resulting explosion and fire burned his house
down, killing both him and his sister.
8. A 34-year-old white male found
dead in the basement of his home died of suffocation, according to police. He
was approximately 6'2" tall and weighed 225 pounds. He was wearing a pleated
skirt, white bra, black and white saddle shoes, and a woman's wig. It appeared
that he was trying to
create a schoolgirl's uniform look. However, he was
also wearing a military gas mask that had the filter canister removed and a
rubber hose attached in its place. The other end of the hose was connected to
one end of a hollow wooden tube approx. 12" long and 3" in diameter. The tube's
other end was inserted into his rectum for reasons unknown, and was the cause of
his suffocation.
7. Three Brazilian men were flying in a light aircraft
at low altitude when another plane approached. It appears that they decided to
moon the occupants of the other plane, but lost control of their own aircraft
and
crashed. They were all found dead in the wreckage with their pants
around their ankles.
6. A police officer in Ohio responded to a 911 call. She had no details
before arriving, except that someone had reported that his father was not
breathing. Upon arrival, the officer found the man face down on the couch
naked. When she rolled him over to check for a pulse and to start CPR, she
noticed burn marks around his genitals. After the ambulance arrived and removed
the man - who was declared dead on arrival at the hospital - the
police made
a closer inspection of the couch, and noticed that the man had made a hole
between the ushions. Upon flipping the couch over, they discovered what had
caused his death. Apparently, the man had inserted his penis between he
cushions, down into the hole and between two electrical sanders(with the
sandpaper removed, for obvious reasons). Evidently, his ejaculation shorted out
one of the sanders, electrocuting him.
5. A 27-year-old French woman
lost control of her car on a highway near Marseilles and crashed into a tree,
seriously injuring her passenger and killing herself. As a commonplace road
accident, this would not have qualified for a Darwin nomination, were it not for
the fact that the driver's attention had been distracted by her Tamagotchi key
ring, which had started urgently beeping for food as she drove along. In an
attempt to press the correct buttons to save the Tamagotchi's life, the woman
lost her own.
4. A 22-year-old Reston, VA, man was found dead after he tried to use octopus straps to bungee jump off a 70-foot railroad trestle. Fairfax County police said Eric Barcia, a fast-food worker, taped a bunch of these straps together, wrapped one end around one foot, anchored the other end to the trestle at Lake Accotink Park, jumped and hit the pavement. Warren Carmichael, a police spokesman, said investigators think Barcia was alone because his car was found nearby. "The length of the cord that he had assembled was greater than the distance between the trestle and the ground," Carmichael said. Police say the apparent cause of death was "Major trauma".
3. A man in Alabama died from rattlesnake bites. It seems that he and a friend were playing a game of catch, using the rattlesnake as a ball. The friend - no doubt a future Darwin Awards candidate - was hospitalized.
2. Employees in a medium-sized warehouse in west Texas noticed the smell of a
gas leak. Sensibly, management evacuated the building extinguishing all
potential sources of ignition; lights, power, etc. After the building had been
evacuated, two technicians from the gas company were dispatched. Upon entering
the building, they found they had difficulty navigating in the dark. To their
frustration, none of the lights worked. Witnesses later
described the sight
of one of the technicians reaching into his pocket and retrieving an object that
resembled a cigarette lighter. Upon operation of the lighter like object, the
gas in the warehouse exploded, sending pieces
of it up to three miles away.
Nothing was found of the technicians, but the lighter was virtually untouched by
the explosion. The technician suspected of causing the blast had never been
thought of as 'bright' by his peers.
And the number one nominee for this
year's Darwin Award did not die, but probably wishes he had....
1.
Spurred on by a bet from the other members of his threesome, Everett Sanchez
tried to wash his own "balls" in a ball washer at the local golf course. Proving
once again that beer and testosterone are a bad mix, Sanchez managed to straddle
the ball washer and dangle his scrotum in the
machine. Much to his dismay,
one of his buddies upped the ante by spinning the crank on the machine with
Sanchez's scrotum in place, thus wedging the solidly in the mechanism. Sanchez,
who immediately passed his threshold of
pain, collapsed and tumbled from his
perch. Unfortunately for Sanchez, the height of the ball washer was more than a
foot higher off the ground than his testicles are in a normal stance, and the
scrotum was the weakest link.
Sanchez's scrotum was ripped open during the
fall, and one testicle was plucked from him forever and remained in the ball
washer, while the other testicle was compressed and flattened as it was pulled
between the housing of the washer, and the rotating machinery inside. To add
insult to injury, Sanchez broke the new $300.00 driver that he had just
purchased from the pro shop, which he was using to balance himself. Sanchez was
rushed to the hospital for surgery, and them remaining threesome were asked to
leave
the course.
User: . | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message:
1) Will Lee
2) Chuck Rainey
found both with a google search
on a bass player's site
http://www.mikevisceglia.com/
User: Stagga Lee | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: I vote for Will Lee for question #1
User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: um...
1. Denny Dias
2. Charles Nelson Reilly
LOL , sorry couldn't resist
tones, the question goes to you now...
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: StAl - plane ticket? The show's in March I think. Take the boat.
Mid Cruiser. Great pics, I like them, really. And I guess I'd like spend some time in Virginia, and/or North Carolina.
Dr Mu - the point is, and has always been; take care of your own before you're going out saving the world, Big Brother.
User: Name That Quotee | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: Here are some recent comments issued by SD studio sidemen. Try and find out who exactly they're from (answer and source forthcoming):
(1) "And what else? There have been some times in the studio with Donald Fagen that were really, really fun. Like on "The Nightfly" session and another we did with him. Actually I did some of the sessions for "Gaucho" but I didn't end up on the record because I think they thought of the drummer and me as a team. They didn't let me try playing with another drummer on any of the songs. But, I really enjoyed it just because of the quality of the songwriting. And anytime there's like a really great groove, where everybody's totally in sync - you know, where you're not fighting the drummer. It's hard to put this into words - but when you're feeling it, it's as Don Grolnick said, "if you feel it, it's the right thing."" (January 2002)
(2) "Steely Dan's recorded success is due to the `continuity direction of musicians' by Gary Katz their producer. Walter and Donald are truly great songwriters, but their music became special when a selected crew of sidemen were hired to musically improvise their great songs." (October 2001)
b
User: Beerberian @ the Castle Arghhhhhhhhhhhhh | Month: 10 | Day: 19
Message: MC; Mr Izzard was born 20yrs too late ....woulda made one hell of a Python
User: ¦ - the second derangement | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: StAl: You must resist the dark side of the Force, Luke:
http://www.nationalpost.com/financialpost/story.html?id=%7B0F6156CE-2CFB-4C7F-BBDF-BDB77FA7E939%7D
85% profit margin can only be nullified by a move first of the Dandom masses to a Jedi computer. The minions will follow.
Listen C*A*R*E*F*U*L*L*Y...You M*U*S*T buy new Mac G4s, eMacs, and swivel-hipped iMacs with OS 10.2 (installed FREE) for all your clients...stop the madness...Last night I woke up in a sweat...I dreamed that an engineer accidentally sent all the ProTool files of the Next One to a PC by mistake without backing them up first. All the files became corrupted, and even Ed Norton Futilities could not Humpty Bumpty Funkty back together again...
User: StAl | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: Mu: You're such a curmudgeon.
MC: Optimism is good. Oh, and don't forget Dave Matthews in your list. We all know how much Clas likes Dave Matthews. I'm an Eddie Izzard fan.
StAl
User: MC one more time | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: I meant to ask....any Eddie Izzard fans out there? He's a riot!! We've been watching and listening to all his shows that we can find lately.
User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: St.Al....nah, you didn't miss anything....just a little calculated optimism on my part.
Clas....have a peek at something very similar to the area Bruce Hornsby grew up in....he's from Virginia too....along with Hutch, Roy Scam and myself. :)
http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/CountryRoad.jpg
or just click the Homepage link at the top of this post.
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: Oh, I forgot to mention the striped golf umbrella exchange that was like something out of the Thomas Crowne Affair remake...my father in law is a little pissed at me now...
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: David: sorry we missed you. Ft. Myers was a bit far for a 1 am road trip from New Port Richey. I can tell you we saw a hoppin' band, probably from a stubbed toe, at a local establishment. They played about as well...as uhhhhh well as you could imagine a band named the Bernie Maloney Jazz Quartet could play. But the upright (OK leaning) bass player fingered a snappy solo and we stayed outside the saxophone spit radius...
The wedding was moved indoors due to inclement weather, the groom wrenched his knee, which later resulted in a 2am ER visit. The Big Fat Italian Wedding Reception started as my daughter led a train of french-braided maidens around the dance floor sending the wedding arch leaning at a Pisa angle, while the DJ played that funky music white boy. They were last seen with pillow cases and green denominational paper. I showed by 7 year old son a break-dance move and he proceeded to polish the oak floor to reflect light at quasar level...then various inebriated members of the brides' side and friends were plotting a late, late bar run for quick bar bet cash after mistakenly quizzing No 1 son about the location, capitals, and major products of Lichtenstein, Myarmar, Turkmenistan and other places his Dad (moi) can't spell and W can't pronounce...egos were slightly inflated when they stumped him on a dinosaur they made up...
I guess I won't be getting that next newsletter
St.Al: There are semenal rap albums but NO seminal...
C: Oh yeah, we'll talk Geo again when you (a) strip your king Gustav MCXXII or declare Donald king, (b) bring the percapita income above a senior level McDonald's fry cook, and (c) call Hans "I love the smell of a Blix krieg in the morning" home from his toy hunt heading the International Inspector Clouseaus...not Does anyone else have the feeling this is like recruiting Sgt. Schultz to look for escaped prisoners from Stalag 13?
User: Only I Would Say This | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: Clams and tequila... two great tastes, that taste great together, especially the second time, in reverse. Ask the man that knows. Entertaining in concept is schnapps made from grape STEMS, not even the grapes themselves. Bars have these things, if you seek them out.
User: Got a feelin' I've been here before... | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: Hey, I saw the Empty-m movie too, and about a 1/4 of the way through it I thought "I've seen this already." Check it out:
8 Mile: aspiring outcast rapper from mid-west has crises in confidence,
questions his "craft"
Purple Rain: aspiring outcast musician from mid-west has crises in confidence, questions his "craft"
8 Mile: "hero" has his posse who believes in him and his talent and
stands by him even though he's a jerk
Purple Rain: "hero" has his band who believes in him and his talent and stands by him even though he's a jerk
8 Mile: "hero" comes from lower cast dysfunctional family, mother suffers
physical abuse
Purple Rain : same
8 Mile: "hero" has relationship with hot young thing, who then sleeps
with rival to further her "career"
Purple Rain: same
8 Mile: "hero" gains revenge by publicly embarrassing hot young thing
with explicit performance form the stage
Purple Rain: same
8 Mile: "hero" simulates ejaculation while squirting lighter fluid in
abandoned house
Purple Rain" "hero" simulates ejaculation while squirting water on crowd from his guitar
8 Mile: "hero" redeems himself with "moving" performance in a showdown
with arch rival
Purple Rain: same
To be fair, 8 mile didn't suck (I liked Purple Rain too), and Em did a
decent job playing a struggling white rapper, just like Prince did a great job
playing a struggling black musician. But it's too early to know if he's a good
actor. Everyone thought Prince was the next Sidney Portier until "Under the
Cherry Moon". Ouch!
But hey, I'm thinkin' this formula could work great for our boys if they decide to make a movie... who could we get to play Don & Walt's abused moms? I'm voting for Bea Arthur and Rue McClanahan...
Man... I've got waaaaay to much time on my hands...
big peace
t
User: king of the world | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: Well, I sure am glad we got that Dylan thing taken care of.
A man naming his act after a snack food? Is that worse than a dildo? Why yes, I think it is. I can't defend this, but I will swear to it. But if EH John has no prob with him, I guess I'll turn my attention elsewhere. The culture died a long time ago-- it's a little late to get outraged now. Kim B: polish that Oscar daily. Make it shine!
User: Aussie | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: St. Al: Caught Eminem's 8 Mile last night. Interesting. The best part was watching Kim Basinger getting boned on the couch in her trailer home. Kim's still got it by George! Other than that, nothing special at all. Wait for the rental.
Aus
User: StAL | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: >a new album and tour for '03 it now appears.
MC, am I missing something?
StAl
User: StAl | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: Jimbo: I can dig your opinion of Eminem -- is what it is. I believe we've had this debate before, but I happen to like Eminem. I think (as do many) The Marshall Mathers LP is an important work that will be regarded as a seminal Hip-Hop album for years to come. I'm not going to waste time trying to justify my choice as I know you'll disagree and I'm not trying to change your opinion.
But I can't deny the fact that Eminem represents much of what is wrong with our society as a whole. Some would say he's stoking the flames, others would say he's holding the mirror. Whatever. Fact is we (society) lost a little more innocence when he came along and this is why so many think he's a genius. Ironic, ain't it?
Clas: You buy the plane ticket and I might think about it. But I'd want a good couple of days before the show so I could adjust to the time change. I'd hate for you to spend all that money only for me to have happen what happened last time I saw Jackson Browne....zzzz...in a lounge chair...it was such a lovely night at the winery...
Saw something that made me sick the other day. The front page of Newsweek Magazine shows monkey-boy Bush giving the thumbs up sign with a caption that reads "Top Gun"
PUKE!
It's ALL Eminem's fault I'm sure...
StAl
User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: jjeff....yes on the rain and the long work weekend....but I'm off today and tomorrow and the sun is shining once again....looks like a nice week coming up....I heard there was a major ice storm in LP's area this weekend....I figured you'd get it too, being that you're a little farther north than she.
full moon tonight so the Leonid's early show is likely to be washed out....best bet is from 5am until dawn tomorrow morning....the moon should have set by about then.
good to finally see some movement in the SD camp....a new album and tour for '03 it now appears. *yay*
and a photo from a couple of weeks ago if you're interested:
http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/AutumnCabin.jpg
or click the Homepage link at the top of this post.
later boys & girls
MC
User: Jimbo | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: Bill- Harry Potter is #1 at the box office, so the nightmare is over.
But you bring up a good point. Though art is hardly dead, I think though, that too many people are sucking up to that Eminem guy like he's the second coming of something. He's just some fool who made it by being mean to people and why people like Sheryl Crow and Kim( I'm not smart enough to make better decisions since winning an Oscar ) Basinger suck up to him is beyond me. THis was his first movie and yet critics suck up to him. Will Smith, I would say is a better rapper turned actor. He started off in supporting roles and built himself slowly to work with greats like Stockard Channing, Tommy Lee Jones and Matt Damon. Once he was a box office draw, then he could get top billing. I hope Eminem never wins an Oscar because that would overshadow Will's historic Oscar nomination this year for "Ali."
Will Smith has built himself as an actor by playing different roles. Eminem is just playing himself. That's the only thing he's good at.
That's all for now. But, I'll be back to explain my disappearance during the last two weeks.
User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: jeff - rain, snow and sleet, yep that's me - my house is slab on grade, so no water, but i do have an ocasional field mouse (living in the woods brings them in) - at least the well won't run dry
got taken in on the best of cd stuff and got the best of bowie yesterday - i have a friend who is a fanatic for him - my husband saw him in a garden in kyoto in 1983, said he was a very cool guy - anyway, i think he's a genius on many levels
User: angel | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: Webdrone kicking up the ODP a notch. Definitely figure a Holiday issue of the Newsletter is coming our way again this year. Any real news, only time will tell. :-)
Saw Harry Potter II yesterday (I did not spend my money on Eminem's movie, thank you very much). I thought it was better then the original, but still doesn't match the book. I was listening to the end credits and wondering if I had somehow morphed into a Star Wars movie, when I saw that John Williams did the score for it. Well, that explained those Star Wars feelings....
Off to check if my car radio can pick up 88.3 in Thousand Oaks....
User: Bill | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: Eminem's new movie is number one this week?
Yes my friends, art is dead.
User: blasT | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: Some minimal movement on the ODP (any move was good
move...). Something about that Jazz project broadcast slated for February AND,
last but not least, an incentive to sign up for the Steely Dan newsletter, right
there on the main page. Yes, "hint hint" is right.
Yes, friends and foes,
there's a slow train comin'. And you can hear it, if you just keep your ear to
the ground, like this. Hear that, ole?
ole?
That Piano Jazz gig only means
they're stepping out again, coming back inot the swing of things, out there
performing again.
Howard, you weren't the only one struck by the news. Almost the only one, not
quite...
But I see it's getting there.
User: Okay little buddies... | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: ...all is taking care of. Seats on 13th row.
Pat - I bought a ticket for you too, waddayasay?
User: oh and... | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: Leonids tonight. Supposedly the best show for the next
80+ years. Peaks are at approx. 11P.M. and between 5&6 in A.M. I'm afraid
we're gonna be overcast on the east coast.
User: jjeff-all apologies | Month: 10 | Day: 18
Message: Dear King: I read your stuff. I just never felt I could elaborate with a response. Sorry.
MC/Lp: Are any of you people getting rain of biblical proportions? Last Wed. I was up every half hour checking on the borrowed sump pump since I had to rig it with an elastic band to keep the float up. I rarely have any water in the basement and then only enough to wet the floor. Next morning I pounded a hole in the concrete floor to sink the pump in for the weekend. I've been in the hospital working all weekend and it's still raining. Very curious to see if I have a house to go home to today.
User: King Of The World | Month: 10 | Day: 17
Message: I'd started to wonder, isn't "King of the World" too good a name to have gone unclaimed, for so long?
I shall have a daughter, and that daughter's name will be.....
"Spatula".
Middle name? Why, "Forehead", of course... because I'm a
traditionalist. I have a knack for naming stuff. Were Jesus to be re-born unto
our midst, or words to that effect, I'd lift that awful load of the name "Jesus"
off his noble back, and
give him the name my daddy gave me: "Wampum
Placemat, Junior"!! What the hell, I'm not usin' it.
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 17
Message: Well, I must admit I feel about 17 these days! Amazing
the effect that love and happiness can have.
King of World, Cup cake hmn
maybe? In any case I will send you another letter soon. Very busy these days.
Making extra cash for Christmas Moreover, yes I do know who you are. I don't
blow cyber kisses to just anyone ya know!? *wink*
User: planet potentate | Month: 10 | Day: 17
Message: I am deeply sorry concerning anything that might bother Frog Face. My sentiment constitutes a great, big Himalayan crevasse of regret.
I wish someone had MY attention, und vicey-versey.
playing concurrently... "Pledging My Time"... did she and/or he ever come through, me wonders?!
Best and @ same time most twisted Taupin lyric... "Ticking". More directly
serious "Don't Take Me Alive". Never as twisted as Dan, but we have to deal with
serious things in straightforward ways, as well.
User: Jennifer | Month: 10 | Day: 17
Message: I highly doubt it.
User: just wondering | Month: 10 | Day: 17
Message: have viking and molly ever met in person?
User: jjeff | Month: 10 | Day: 17
Message: Frog: Not much. Although Zuckerman was a Juilliard( sp.) Graduate. I guess the interview was funnier live. They were very reluctant to ask any questions at all. Sorry if it bothered you.
MC: Long weekend?
User: Frog Face | Month: 10 | Day: 17
Message: Jeff..What does that interview have to do with Steely Dan?
Molly.. How old are you? My guess is 17.
User: king of the world | Month: 10 | Day: 17
Message: Jennifer----- A V-Chip might solve the problem, or else much vaunted scrolling procedure.
Molly----- Thanks for e-humor recently... if I am who you think I am (and who doesn't?), then you owe me substantive e-mail. I tried an entertaining e-card to you, but I did Dali already. Next stop, Dallas! Hope my ident isn't misidented, a la Mrs. Haversham and the benefactor. Plenty of decipherable Dylan--- I just want to get the rest.
Tones on Tail (isn't "This Is The Pops" a great song?!)----- I can picture "Biograph" cover art in my head.... sounds like good direct source. 30% is something. i guess. It's not the Blood on Tracks type stuff is it, or you should be joining my chorus.
User: Can't resist Jen........... | Month: 10 | Day: 17
Message: I'm crazy about him. He calls me his witch and assorted
other endearments. Yep, I love My Viking. You could just
scroll........Moll
User: jjeff- during the flood( about 8 | Month: 10 | Day: 17
Message: An interview bystudents at Avalon Junior High E.& W. in Newfoundland, interviewing conductor Pinkus Zuckerman:( I though it was quite funny)
Q;How did you become famous?
A:I'm famous?
Q: Never mind.
Q: Why are you wearing sneakers?
A: Comfort. They're Nikes but they don't
light up.
Q: Do you have any friends?
A: NO. Not one. Don't you think I have any? Am
I that ugly?
Q:What di you dress up as for Halloween?
A: I didn't.
Q: Do you make CD's?
A: Yes, Ive made lots.
Q: Can I get a free copy?
Q: What color is your underwear?
A: State secret.
Joni has stated in an interview that this month's Cd will be her last. She is fed up with the music industry's obsession with image.
User: Jennifer | Month: 10 | Day: 17
Message: I have read all the "viking warrior" crap I need to hear
about. All the music posts have
been really interesting though...even yours
Molly. Couldn't you stick more with that subject? That
witch stuff is
getting old too.
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 17
Message: Hey, A quickie I'm afraid... Read that Warren Zevon is
doing Dylan's Knocking On Heaven's Door.
L.P., What did ya think of Oh
Mercy. I love it. Every damn song is great.
King of World, Sweetness this is
an e-mail thingy maybe? You owe me one BTW. Mmmmmmwahhhhhhh Give Oh Mercy a
listen. The song "Most of the Time" is glaringly clear. (makes me cry sometimes)
I agree with Tones. He's much more eloquent on the subject than I could ever
be.
My Viking Warrior, you look dashingly handsome in your kilt. I loved the
photo. I gotta have you baby. *kisses~~~~~~~~~~* Be patient with me, sometimes
witches can only hear their own chants.
Off now see ya in a few days
guys
It's all good, Ol Warren agrees with me!
Peace and Love M
User: lp, after clams and tequila | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: hey tones - one step ahead (or was it beyond) - tower records dot com, baby!
thanks!
User: t | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: Um, let me see... (sound of me walking over to the soundtrack section... and back)... It's got a Buffalo Springfield song on here, "A Child's Claim to Fame".... I love them/that song... It also has:
Tom Rush - "No Regrets"
Neil Young - "Old Man"
Dylan - "Shooting
Star"
Tim Hardin - "Reason to Believe"
Little Willie John - "Need Your
Love so Bad"
Dylan - "Not Dark Yet"
Clarence Carter - "Slip
Away"
Leonard Cohen - "Waiting for the Miracle"
Dylan - "Buckets of
Rain"
John Lennon - "Watching the Wheels"
Van Morrison - "Philosopher's
Stone"
...sounds pretty good to me... What d'ya think?
User: lp at home | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: got it tones, is the rest of that soundtrack any good?
yes on chowder, but also having some with butter too - i'll send some out to you!
it was so damn cold getting those things, and it's only november - uh oh...
User: t | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: lovely pedestriann - "Things Have Changed" was only on the Wonder Boys soundtrack until they put out the Essential Bob Dylan last year. Oh, and I hear it was on an album called "Napster" until it went out of print...
Are you making chowda with those clams?
User: t | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: king (God save ya...) - my percentage of perception? Jeez, I don't know... probably somewhere around 30, I think... but who knows? I'm probably somewhat delusional, and I may understand the song in the moment, but ask me to explain it and my mind might implode trying to bind a cohesive response. And sometimes I'll read someone else's explaination of a Dylan song and find out the lyrics are about a specific historical event, while all the time I thought he was making the shit up. See, I was only a mini-me too when he was changing the world, so even though I try, my sense historical context isn't complete. But man, I sure feel like a minor genius when I think I finally know what he's talking about. Very much like "figuring out" what a Dan tune's about.
As far as books about Dylan's lyrics... there have been scads, but Zimmy himself has never sat down and said, "Ok, what I was really saying was...," so it's all speculation to some extent, though some are better than others. The box set Biograph was interesting because in the liner notes Dylan actually told the circumstances in which some of the songs were written, but that's as close as he's come to actually explaining the lyrics, to my knowledge. Some Zimmy-philes might know better than me... and I wished they'd speak up so I could get the word myself...
User: Luckless Pedestrian at home | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: hey all - did someone say dylan - good angle from tones as always
blood on the tracks is my personal favorite - there are some wonderful stories told in there, ala jack kerouac
i have love and theft but it doesn't get as much play as blood on the tracks - and the tribute double cd was really cool when i first got it but i haven't played it in years
my question is which more recent release can i find the single "things have changed" - i cannot locate it anywhere - any help is always appreciated
clouds look heavy with snow up here, woohoo, those whitecaps on the bay
are intimidating, hubby froze getting clams today, yipes
User: king of world | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: Tones on Tail----
Thanks. It's not that I haven't heard Dylan, though, it's that I've heard him for decades without making any headway on deciphering the more whacked-out ones. Apparently your answer would be yes, they mean something, but it struck me that you then said BD paved the way for "Strawberry Fields" and "I Am The Walrus" (probably my two favorite songs in the world)... songs well-known for having (respectively) nearly meaningless and totally meaningless lyrics.
So, what proportion of Dylan songs with really abstract lyrics would you guess you comprehend? And how long has it taken you to get the general idea of songs like this, I wonder?
With, say, Neil Young, I expect a lot of abstract images. Somehow, in some way, though, I get what he's doing with no problem whatsoever. I don't have to have any clue as to specifically what the images mean.
I don't like the idea of going to a book to "decipher" someone's lyrics, but I wonder-- there must be a reliable one, where they weren't just taking stabs in the dark.
User: | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: Oh... and taking lots and lots of psychedelics will help too...
User: tones | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: King - to really understand Dylan's impact you have to remember the historic and musical context the work he's praised for the most was created in. To look around now you wouldn't be able to tell how unique and groundbreaking he was, kinda like looking into the forest and trying to figure out which tree came first. Dylan's first album was pretty much a straightforward folk album, but the next three albums redefined the entire genre. If you're interested in finding out what all the fuss is/was about, I'd suggest you start with the unambiguous songs, like "Blowin' In the Wind," "Masters of War," "A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall," "Times are A-changin'," "With God on Our Side," "All I really Want to Do,","Chimes of Freedom," "It Ain't Me Babe." Those songs alone would have been enough to make him a legend, but in between the easier stuff he was experimenting with language - how words were used and what they could do in a song. There was *nobody* in music, and very few in literature, who could turn a phrase like Dylan. In fact, it's basically beat poetry set to music. Some of the most twisted Dylan are like impressionist paintings; thier meaning might not be immediately obvious, but if you see them in just the right light "all is revealed", or so it seems. They could mean different things to different people at different times, which is why Dylan doesn't explain his songs. Their meaning isn't meant to be tied to one definition. But when Dylan wants to be direct, you know it.
Of course, he didn't stop there. His fifth album, "Bringing It All Back Home", brought all that into the rock context, and redefined what rock & roll could be. After that album you could say almost anything in a rock song. I think it's fair to say without Dylan there might not be any "Strawberry Fields" or "I Am the Walrus", but on the other hand we might not have a "Whiter Shade Of Pale" either, which while I think is an o.k. piece of music, I can't make hards or tails of those lyrics... I have much better luck with "Bob Dylan's 115th Dream"...
To sum up what I'm trying to say here... when trying to figure out some of those strange Dylan lyrics, keep in mind those words of a great philosopher:
"Go with your feelings, Luke."
btw... this was *not* a dissertation, dammit!
t
User: db | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: Paul/Bass/Beers
Colour from last nights ''dan
collective'' show please... when you're ready.
Are you watching Robbie ?
he's good you can't argue with that
User: Lisa G | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: Beerberian-thanks for the clarification. I'm rather enjoying the wine-induced original now that I have the gist explained. LOL!
User: Cars Quote... where are ya buddy? | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: Listening to Candy-O right now... One of the most underrated albums of all time! I think that everytime I play it, but really... "You Can't Hold On To Long," "It's All I Can Do," and "Night Spots," just floored me again... and "Double Life" is just SCREAMING for Bowie to cover it...
User: king of the world | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: Molly, et al....
I think you misunderstood me a bit. With all the Bob songs in question, I can make absolutely nothing out of them, so that's what i get, if I take what I will from them. I definitely wasn't asking the question out of any sense of guilt or obligation. I WANT to understand the meanings of great songs. I'm not searching for an excuse not to. And I'm desperate for more substantive music. How many more years can I just let this big fat resource sit gathering dust on the shelf? With great albums, i can take a year to absorb lyrics, as well as everything else about them (even the cover). It's also a troubling question to have hanging over my head, it's like hanging in limbo.
The only analogy I can think of is-- what if you had some uncle who spent a lot of time on his own, talked to himself a lot, and often spent days in his room, working on 'experiments', or that's how it appears. Some members of your family treat him with awe and reverence. The rest are always cursing at him, and trying to get him locked up. Growing up in the middle of this, would it then be a totally irrelevant, unimportant matter, whether he was actually sane and a genius, or a sad crackpot?!
When he's talked about endlessly as "spokesman for a generation" etc., you know it's crap, but he is supposed to be great, and we believe it somewhat. I'm not exactly a contemporary, but I'm late, late Baby Boom, so isn't this strange creature supposed to have something to do with me? So, it seems like i ought to have it nailed down by now whether he's for real or not. I want to know what this great, big shared experience is that everybody's having with the guy, and why I'm not having it. Hell, I shouldn't have to explain why. There's this mass of revered songs that sound like utter gibberish to me, but not to all sorts of people, including some that I know i'm smarter than. (Is that it? Better not be.)
I'm waiting to see if anyone actually ANSWERS THE QUESTION.... if everyone stays vague like this, that's disturbing. People must know whether they believe they understand the lyrics, or not. Hope that doesn't sound rude-- that's not how i mean it. DO YOU HEAR NON-SEQUITURS, OR MEANING? If none of you wants to come out and say it directly, I'll accept charades, or semaphore.
********************
Okay, as for Mr Tamborine Man... isn't it just about a guy wanting to join up
with some traveling musician? Where heroin?
"4th Time Around"----- It's
supposedly a parody of "Norwegian Wood"... the guy keeps leaving the woman's
apartment, forgetting stuff and going back, leaving, coming back...in waltz time
also. John Lennon was furious when he heard it.
Taupin's "Rotten Peaches" is just about a criminal, and how he's a mite unhappy. The rotten peaches are just bad food. Great album, but some of those lyrics seem rushed. The one from last year, "Songs From the West Coast", is far more focused and mature. In '71, they were kids writing about movie/fantasy images because they hadn't lived a life yet.
User: Drew | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: Molly-Please get in touch. Call me or I'll phone you at
11:30 my time.
By all means check my ISP
User: angel | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: Clas: Rotten Peaches! My only Elton John album I own is Madman Across The Water. I took it with me on my recent trip to NY and have been listening to it quite a bit, since. I was listening to "Rotten Peaches" about a week ago and wondering the same thing. What the heck is that song about? So, even Bernie Taupin doesn't know? Should I elevate EJ lyrics a little closer to the Dan? lol
Royscam: Didn't Donald and Walter comment on the meaning of the lyrics to "Chain Lightning"? I could swear they did. Isn't it the song that had a line removed? Or is that "Pretzel Logic"? Ole, help me out here.
Steely Damned on 11/27. Yeah, W1P, I know. Mentioned it to my hubby and he just rolled his eyes at me. No way is he driving to San Diego on Thanksgiving Eve. Damn!
Duncan: Glad to be of service.
Tones: Thank goodness for slow days at work. Your 2 posts on vinyl were very interesting.
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: The Other - yepp, "A customer in an international hamburger chain..." - McDonalds it was.
Pretty much says it all. No education, low salary, stressful, a typical US-concept.
---
Howard - I bought it -95, in Santa Monica (ouch!), I was looking for it last night, couldn't find it.
---
Bernie Taupin laughed and said; "Rotten Peaches, rotten in the sand... what
the hell was that supposed to be? I don't know."
User: Rodan | Month: 10 | Day: 16
Message: Are you kidding me?
I mean are you kidding me or
what?
Listen, It was my acting that pushed those Godzilla movies up the
charts
baby! MY ACTING OK! And what did I ever get out of it?
Just what the hell did
I get? Bubkis my friends! Nuthin! Nada!
Zippo!
Now they want me to do a reunion gig with that overblow T-Rex?
Hell
no...I'd rather do burger king commercials than be caught
dead with that
pretentious flim flam artist! Let this be a lesson
to all those up and coming
flying dinosaur actors out there...
READ THE FINE PRINT!
User: Roy.Scam | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: King~ I don't claim to know Dylan's intent but I'm
pretty sure Mr. Tambourine Man is about heroin and Highway 61 is just some
musical vignettes about the stupid things that man does (militarism, religion,
commercialism, war).
IMO, Most of his better songs are pretty
straightforward:
You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome, Don't Think Twice, Like a
Rolling Stone, To Make You Feel My Love, Rainy day Women, I'll Be Your Baby
Tonight, With God on Our Side, Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat, Tangled Up in Blue. I
think that's a long enough list.
I would, however like to hear some explanation of "Fourth Time Around."
Long as I'm on the subject: despite much articulate analysis by the denizens of this site, I'm still of the opinion that "Chain Lightning" is just some cool sounding gibberish to use as an excuse for a great guitar solo. (a la', "Come Together" by the Beatles).
RS
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: Newsflash: The Steely Damned November 27, 2002 at the Catamaran in San Diego.
User: Through the eyes of a child....... | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message:
Dylan
I read an article last year on Sam Phillips, singer/songwriter, wife of T-Bone Burnette, and it ended with this little tale:
She was riding in the car with her four year old daughter and Dylan came on the radio. Her daughter turns to her and says, "You know he has kind of a funny voice, and you want to laugh at it, but that would kind of being like laughing at God".
Rather good gene pool, don't you think?
So, taken that in fact, wouldn't it be simple to say, that to interpret the artistic meaning of Dylan's words would be like interpreting the Bible?
"Who cares what I meant? What does it mean to you?" Joni Mitchell
Arlean
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: King of the World, Baby take a valium. hahahaha It's
only rock-n-roll. World peace doesn't depend on you getting Dylan's lyrics. Nor
is there a test of any sort.. You don't have to even like him in order to be my
bud! I feel that his songs,and most other great songwriter's are like poetry and
art.One can take what you will from them. I use many of the same skills and
tools to evaluate Steely's songs. They too, use many symbols and analogies.
However, my ex-husband just listened to Steely without any kind of analysis of
their lyrics at all. As a musician, He loved the music. He hated Dylan BTW. If
everyone derived at the same conclusions it wouldn't be very good IMHO.We call
that Country Music nowadays. *Wink*
Jaz, Are you back with Abba? Where are
you my friend?
Wild Bill, I am not going to fit into my Gown if we prolong
this Wedding much longer. My waist is beginning to thicken just a bit. Come Back
to me babe.
Is anyone listening to David Sanchez?
User: King of the World | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: This post is just me bitching about Dylan's obscure lyrics--- just so people not interested in this can move on, without coming down on me, for supposedly wasting their time.
Molly......
How many people who love Dylan listen to all these songs with their
abstract, convoluted lyrics, and [i]really[/i] feel they have a handle on the
intended meanings? Supposedly there are many literary references, and when we
hear stanza after stanza of impenetrable lyrics, there are complex meanings
behind it all. But I never hear anyone talking about what those meanings
[i]are[/i].... Besides, I know he came up with many songs on the spot, in the
studio.
In the 60s and 70s, masses of people treated an awful lot of music with abstract lyrics as profound, as if they understood it all, when later much of this material turned out not to have had any literal meaning. So, it concerns me that millions of people love Dylan, a good portion presumably feeling sure they know what he's talking about, many of them younger than me, and I have no clue what most of the lyrics mean, especially the early electric /late acoustic period.
"Blood On The Tracks"... easy. Well, not completely, but they can be understood in roughly the same way one understand other songwriters' lyrics. They're rooted in real life and real experiences, straightforwardly talked about. The earlier (and later?) stuff is either crammed so full of lit references and symbolism as to make it incomprehensible, or it's a mass of non-sequiturs. Now, I [i]like[/i] non-sequiturs, but I also like to know if that's how I'm supposed to relate to these songs, or not.
This makes me think of the liner notes to the first Elton John album, "Empty Sky", from 1969. Of course, everyone was squinting their eyes and looking desperately for "meaning", everywhere, especially rock critics trying to prove their hipness. No one knew who/what E John was, then, and for all critics knew, the extremely strange and nonsensical lyrics Bernie Taupin wrote for this album [i]could[/i] have been prophecies from a new Dylan... unless you had a brain in your head, that is. I think some critics (and listeners) assume profundity just in case it's there, so no one can accuse them of not getting it.
"The runcible has since changed to the smouldering crucible of a million injustices." That's what David Symonds (?) said about this E John album, which contained lines like... "She chose the soft centre, and took it to bed with her mother... And the ideal confusion was just an illusion, to gain further news of her brother." Hey, I got yer smouldering crucible, right here! (I think this song's a scream-- i may even post it all if not lynched first. A good pre-emptive strike like that might be a good idea, though. I think I perhaps should be stopped.)
DO ALL THOSE DYLAN SONGS MEAN ANYTHING?! I don't give a shit if I sound ignorant, I want some sort of damn answer, now!
User: jjeff | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: All interesting.
Tones: So the inside groove on vinyl is the right channel? I would have thought the outside would get more abuse due to centrifugal force.
Jim#/B.B.: I too miss 12" artwork. Some artists still dedicate quite a bit of time to the covers but many less than before, I'm afraid. Even so, it's harder to pick out the intricacies due to size.
Lot's of info. on HDCD's. Anyone care to reveal info. on the big wave of
HDTV? When does it hit? Should I start buying Leitch Tech. stock now?
User: test | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: 123
User: pick | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: I miss Altamira.
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: Hi everyone! I have vinyl records,(hell I even have my
Dad's old 78s.) My oldest brother gave me a great deal of his album collection
when he moved to Alaska. I suppose that explains my love for the music of the
70's. While Dad always kept his records in pristine condtion, I wasn't quite as
fussy. I listen to them once in a great while, as well as my Dad's reel to reel.
It's more a thing of nostalgia for me.I also dig out my cassettes and even
another Brother's discarded 8-tracks from time to time. I can almost picture
myself and the person who gave me their music back at that time. It evokes some
nice memories.
BTW, where the hell is Miz Ducky, Face and Chere? Check in
with us!
Duncan, Were you serious about making me a copy of Bowie? I'd love
one and will gladly pay you for it.
King of The World, I love all of Dylan's
stuff. Desire had several great tunes on it. Hurricane and Abandoned Love come
to mind immediately. Infidels was another favorite of mine. His more recent work
Oh Mercy and Love and Theft are both excellent.
BB, I gave Diana Krall's Live
In Paris a listen. It was great.*bowing to BB* Have you listened to Casandra
Wilson's Belly of the Sun? I also am listening to Patricia Barber's Verse, it's
very good. Talk soon ?!!! XXX's
Bluz, I'm sorry I missed you. A certain Vikng
Warrior had my attention and then I fell asleep. I hope to catch you soon.
Be
peaceful and loving M.
Be Peaceful and Loving.. M
User: Floridavid | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: db- The oven Baking technique was developed to try and save Ampex tape from the late 60's and 70's. The company was experimenting with a new petroleum based additive to make the tapes last longer. Instead, they ended up getting sticky and Gummy when put on a machine after sitting around for a long time.Making a mess on the Tape Heads. Baking is done at exactly 350 degrees for 1 hour. this gives you a window of around 2 to 3 passes before the Tape breaks down again. I used this technique to save a large reel recorded in 1969 by my Brother and I as kids in a Studio for the first time. When he passed away last year I compiled a "Best Of" CD for his Widow and my Family.I learned this technique on the Internet at Ampex's site. Now you Know. David
User: Floridavid | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: HELP!- I don't know how to make that backward U thing.
Or what to call that GB Citizen. But I am always (6 years in December) at The
Beach Pierside on Estero Island also known as Ft. Myers Beach Florida on Friday
and Saturday nights from 6 to 10 pm. The "Pierside" is located at the base of
the Large and Famous Pier on the north end of the Island.
Malcolm Hunter
(YGK), Edd Cote from Mass.,Anne Thomas from DC (Altamira)Have all been
there.
I hope this helps. David Moore
User: Randy | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message:
Just so those who are interested know: 'HDCD'
compact discs will still sound better even if your CD player doesn't have the
HDCD decoder chip, because the discs are still more meticulously mastered than
standard CDs, thus there is better sound quality. The effect is more obvious if
your CD player has the HDCD decoder chip, but there is still a discernable
difference.
One of the first HDCD discs was 'Stephen Stills' (1970), which sounds considerably better than the first run of that disc, largely due to the HDCD mastering: better bass, better clarity to the acoustic guitars and vocals, more resonance in the drums and greater warmth in the electric guitars - all this with a CD player WITHOUT HDCD decoding.
"Clarify my position / must be some kind of fool I'm a musician..."
-
Stephen Stills, 'Nothing To Do But Today'
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: The other | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: from New York Newsday, pA20:
"A customer in an international hamburger chain outlet in western Sweden lost
his appetite when he discovered the restaurant's toilet seats were being washed
in its dishwasher alongside the kitchen utensils.
the man noticed on a visit
to the bathroom in the restaurant in Arvika, Sweden, that all the tolet seats
had been removed. When he asked staff about the missing seats, an employee took
them out of a dishwasher where they had been cleaned together with trays and
kitchen utensils, the Swedish TT news agency reported yesterday. The employee
tried to reassure the customer by saying that the freshly washed seat would be
warm and pleasant to sit on.
A company spokesman said the cleaning was not
standard company procedure."
User: db | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: sorry BB good but not my cup of tea really.
I'm liking the liam lynch single ''whatever'' more.
snippet to be found at....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/markandlard/record/
http://www.globalwarmingrecords.com/bands/liam_lynch.htm
User: Howard | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message:
Tohnz - good post, thanks for the extra info. Didn't
realise you were talking about the compression etc that's applied during
mastering.
What aboutt mastering for CDs? I suppose the final mixes done by the artists are still tweaked, balanced etc, before the CD master is made? Though without the physical limitations of "that flimsy little phono stylus twitching along in that scratchy plastic groove", I guess you generally have less work to do for CD masters.
Clas - depends what Court and Spark release you got. The recent ones (HDCD) are fine, but the original C&S (the one I still have) has glitches and areas of distortion. The trumpets in "Trouble Child" are particularly bad, if I remember right.
One other vinyl/CD difference that's worth mentioning - back in the days when I enjoyed the occasional "long cigar", I found that vinyl sleeves were the perfect size for rolling up. Hey, didn't everyone use them? Now, what are you going to do with a CD cover? You'll be spilling stuff all over the floor...
Howard
User: BeeWhatUR | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: The Dan Collective .......... Five Piece Phoenix
Tonight Friday 15th Nov
The Golden Fleece
Mansfield Road
Nottingham
9.00 p.m.
Free Admission
DB JT ????? u like ? bluz tell him !!!
User: db | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: i was watching attack of the clones dvd last
night.
disc 2 documentary about the sound recording.
they needed some of
the sounds from 77.
the poor guys thousands of reels of 1/4 inch tapes all
rotting away.
there they where ''baking'' them all in a small oven, in order
to play them one more time.
they also where using pro-tools.
What a fantastic path i've trod this week.
Round of applause for StAl & all posters.
thanks
db
User: Poor people in the Q ?? | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: While the poor people sleepin'
With the shade on the
light
While the poor people sleepin'
All the stars come out at night
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: Blaisie - you should see my stereo equipment, not much exciting. When my only son comes visiting his face turns into a map over disgust when I play CD's for him.
But hey, my old turntable, the one I played Gaucho on, it sounded pretty cool. At the time.
All those not on TV only have themselves to blame
And don't quite seem
to understand
The way the hammer shapes the hand
User: You know you're right | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: All this audiophile talk appears rather petty bourgeois, I agree. Still it's informative, right?
Meanwhile, the poor folks are all in queue at the file swap engine trying to get a cheap thrill, Clas. That's where they are or at least, that's where they wish they could be. That's why you don't see them around much anymore.
All this talk also works wonders to mask the fact that the new Dan, it is a coming, sooner than later. "Factual falsehoods" in the details having been swiflty taken care of, the fact remains (see url above). Remember to pay no heed to the man behind the curtain, even if it turns out to be Webdrone.
Nouveau Dan. You can't deal with it. Hear that, oleander? Nouveau Dan. oleander?!
b
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: Now, when dr Mu is on vacation, can I ask if someone has read Michael Harringtons book "The Other America"?
It sounds interesting, listen:
"The millions who are poor in the United States tend to become increasingly
invisible. Here is a great mass of people, yet it takes an effort of the
intellect and will even to see them.
I discovered this personally in a
curious way. After I wrote my first article on poverty in America, I had all the
statistics down on paper. I had proved to my satisfaction that there were around
50,000,000 poor in this country. Yet, I realized I did not believe my own
figures. The poor existed in the Government reports; they were percentages and
numbers in long, close columns, but they were not part of my experience. I could
prove that the other America existed, but I had never been there. [...]
Poverty is often off the beaten track. It always has been. The ordinary tourist never left the main highway, and today rides interstate turnpikes. He does not go into the valleys of Pennsylvania where the towns look like movie sets of Wales in the thirties. He does not see the company houses in rows, the rutted roads (the poor always have bad roads whether they live in the city, in towns, or on farms), and everything is black and dirty. And even if he were to pass through such place by accident, the tourist would not meet the unemployed men in the bar or the women coming home from a runaway sweatshop."
Got to go and see if they have it on the Internet Bookshop.
User: Beerberian | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: Lisa G ; You are Forgiven LOL ..... You know that post really looked fine @ midnight last night Ha Ha ha (maybe something to do with the bottle of wine consumed :) )
What I was trying to say was; I used to judge the success of an "evening in" , by the scattering of abandoned LP covers on the lounge floor
CD's however convenient and compact they are just don't create the same image next morn
User: OK Folks, | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: time to get ready for the Real Deal:
Jackson Browne
Monday, March 24, 2003
**Annexet
Stockholm, Sweden
Box Office: +45
77 131 00 00
On Sale: November 18
Pat, you're in?
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 15
Message: Howard - see? How little I know. I have "Court and Spark" on CD, if someone asked, I wouldn't say it sounded bad.
And for how I took care of my vinyls back then...? Well, you wouldn't wanna know :-)
(Christ, I could hardly take care of myself)
User: LG, again | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: Actually, I'm enjoying the dissertations. Learning a lot. And to think, I was told that DDD was superior to ADD ALL THE TIME. What do you want? I had no ears back when CD's were just coming out. In fact, I had no CD's then, either.
User: Lisa G | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: Beerberian-Forgive me. What?!?!?!?!?
User: Lars | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: re: analog/digital
from www.steelydan.com:
Subj: Future Steely Dan recordings
Date: 95-11-27 13:37:06 EST
From:
SDuraybito
To: STEELY DAN
In Issue 99 of The Abso!ute Sound magazine, I
surveyed Steely Dan's superbly-recorded LPs from the 1970s. In each case, the
LPs outperform the CD re-issues in terms of sonic quality with a sense of
"you-are-there" that CDs can't match.
On behalf of audio enthusiasts and
Steely Dan lovers around the world, I urge you to record subsequent Steely Dan
works all-analogue (preferably through tube mastering decks) and to issue
coincident LP versions of all releases.
Thanks for your time,
Siegfried P. Duray-Bito
Dear Siegfried:
Yeah, and maybe we should write the lyrics with a
quill pen on parchment?
Thanks for your lavish praise and your no-doubt scholarly appraisal of our recorded ouvre. Think we'll pass on the "all-analogue (preferably through tube mastering decks)" deal. MCA is interested in rereleasing some of our catalog on vinyl, and this may indeed happen soon. I'll hang on to my CD's - just the thought of that flimsy little phono stylus twitching along in that scratchy plastic groove makes my fillings hurt.
By the way Absolute Sound is, IMHO, one nutty mag. Fads, feuds, crackpot
tweeks, purple prose-laden gear reviews - it's all there. Although I am not
familiar with your work specifically, I salute you for the great work you are
doing on behalf of "golden ear" audiophiles and followers of the "high end". If
there's any coupons left after you shell out for those x-thousand dollar speaker
cables, you might want to consider buying yourself a life.
User: Jim# | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: Tonezy: Possibly the best summation of the whole issue, if I may quote your fine and reasoned post: "But the rest of us can only aspire to those audiophile standards, and for my money good digital sound is far more practical and attainable."
Which is quite true, inasmuch as I gave up on obtaining a fine Teac reel to reel long ago for the same monetary reasons, and caved quickly to the lure of the shiny CD with its oily montage of colors. And I can only wish for the sort of ear that would discern the differences between the medium on a regular basis.
But I sure miss the wonderful art work on the large canvas that LP's afforded.
User: Beerberian swallowing | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: GB all; Saay yeeah it's alright.... Qualitative analysis is OK for the que sera sera portion of society BUT ....big BUTT Time for a totally off the wall straw poll of pros & cons of .......... Big black 12 inch ones Vs Little 5.5 inch (EEC banned unit) silver ones !!!DO not mensh the 24 carrot gold vers (I know the real spellin' .....know K in carat LOL)
If i may open the pros or is that prose 4 ... V.I.N.Y.L
1/ Surface Area per ú or $ ... big plus - look @ the acreage (I will not go metric) of my collection ...
2/ There IS (or was, or not, that what is or not that what don wazz) NOTHIN with a capital (PARIS) N ....more ..defining to a GOOOOOD night IN than the perfomance artistic nature of a floor strewn with LP vinyl type wrappins .....ie 12" paper squares ...F*** Me !!!!!! that image oughta win a Turner prize.
That's where my Heart used to be ........
User: tohnz | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: God... I really didn't mean to "dissertate"... I was just venting a bit, but thanks for indulging me...
Howard, you are absolutely right. The initial releases of cd's were a joke. At the time I thought cds should have been replacing those crappy cassettes instead of vinyl. Stevie Wonder's call to Fagen coincided with the release of the Jefferson Airplane cds, which were so bad RCA actually took returns for them. those two events led to the discovery that the labels had been using 3rd or 4th generation masters that were intended for vinyl. That's where the compression stage I was refering to happens, to answer your question. After all the mixing and eq-ing is done by the artist and engineer, it was sent to the pressing plant where someone else eq-ed it again to bring out certain frequencies and add compression to make sure the lathe wouldn't jump up and down when making the stamp to press the vinyl. Unless the artist showed up to make suggestions, the final sound of the album was up top the mastering engineer. (Eddie Kramer, Hendrix's enginneer who been handling his latest remasters, said that he and Jimi would work hours and hours to get a certain tone and mix, only to have the test pressing come back sounding flat (compressed) because the mastering lathes couldn't handle the dynamic range.) So all those initial cd releases were an accurate representation of the compressed 3rd generation vinyl masters that the labels had been foisting on us while the original master tapes rotted in a closet somewhere. No wonder you complained.
KoW - you mentioned acoustic instruments... well, one of the benefits of compression is that the middle frequencies are highlighted by compression because the high and low frequencies are rolled off. Also because 16 bits isn't enough to reproduce natural overtones we experience, vocals and acoustic instruments tended to sound brittle and fake on cd. But most cds mastered recently have been mastered at 20 bits or higher then have the unimportant bits whittled away to make a decent sounding 16 bit product. Not perfect, but much better than those mid 80's cds. Like Howard's "Blue" experience, I couldn't even listen to Workingman's Dead on cd until it was remasterd recently, and I still prefer my original pressing on vinyl, though the new cd master blows away all those flimsy vinyl reissues. Again, hopefully dvd-a and super-audio will make all the difference.
And speaking of bad vinyl reissues, i.e. you Simon and Garfunkel example... try to find any real bass on a vinyl reissue of Who's Next...
Hank - actually I put Aja away for years because I had played all the juice out of it... shuffle saved that one for me. But it's alaway a choice when I put on a familiar cd... "Hmmmmmm... should I shuffle or not..." Prince put out a cd called Lovesexy that was programmed as all one track (da bastad!)... I finally had to write down the time each track started...
Aus - Understand (maybe I should have stated this much earlier) I'm no expert on this stuff. I picked up most of my information reading articles when I worked at a science library whe I should have been working... but to my knowledge...
1. a good stylus and cartridge will replace some of the acoustic "bloom" that is lost in the mastering phase, but I don't know that true low end and be reproduced on vinyl once it has been compressed. Now I've had a conversation recently with someone who claims true lowend can't be reproduced digitally because of the long frequency length... I don't know... I think he's wrong...
2. most wow and flutter is caused by the stretching and contracting of the belt that turns the platter. As the platter turns the belt gets warmer and stretches and the platter slows down, while if it's a bit chillyb in your listening room the belt contracts and the platter spins a bit faster. If you have a decent turntable the difference is almost imperceptable, but over time the belt stretches anyway and should be replaced. There was time when direct drive turntables were all the rage because they didn't use belts, but they induce a bit of mechanical distortion. Now the audiophile trend is back to belts.
3. That groove stretching thing is a fact bro. The amount of force the tiny point of a stylus exerts on a record at one gram is the equivalent of a couple of baby elephants, for lack of actual data (though that's not much of an exaggeration believe it or or not). And the inside of the groove (the right channel I believe) takes the most abuse since the stylus is following that to the label.
Btw, I didn't mean to label *everyone* who prefers vinyl as snobs, but I've seen more than a lot of people who turn their nose up at the very suggestion of listening to something on cd. And most of them have very expensive home systems and they're right, *their* vinyl probably sounds better than a cd would. But the rest of us can only aspire to those audiophile standards, and for my money good digital sound os far more practical and attainable.
Me... I'll listen to anything if it sound good.
Shit... I hope I didn't just dissertate again...
piece
t
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: Randy: The material on MLOR is relatively weak but it does SOUND great. Most of our Fair Forgery album is being recorded on 2 inch analog although there are some effects being added via Pro Tools. (PS, I do not pretend to know anything about the technical side of this process)
User: db | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: Mu take some pic's on your trip will ya !!!!
User: Aussie | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: Dear Mr. Huntre: I'm starting to worry. A lot. [about you]
Yours,
Aus
User: YGK | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: "But vinyl is vinyl and I think that snobberry labels attached to vinyl collectors is patently unfair."
Mr. Torres/Parkre/SMD/Center of the (mental) Universe,
As your secret conscscience, personal Guidor, Guido, and Enlightener of your
dead Synapses, I must point out a few things:
1. the word, "snobbery" has
only one 'r'
2. your written text above begs one to question of likelihood of
a "snob berry" - what would a snob berry snub it's underling berrys about? ah,
but I digress, OR
3. your written text above also begs one to question the
possibility of a "sno berry", which is a much more romantic notion, but, still
one that does not remind one of one's "snobbishness", or bettre yet, "snobbery".
Please note the single 'r'.
4. now, with regards to digital vs. analogue, I
can quite simply tell you that analogue simply sweeps the sound palette, whereas
digital makes decisions and assigns numerics, effectively depleting the full
sound potential. Try listening to an AAD recording next to a DDD recording and
you will find a much greater warmthe and pleashure to the sound. Who knows, you
may find a certain warmthe amidst your loins.
5. Therefore, and additionally,
the "snobbery" you refer to above is Absolutely Fair, and completely justified
and wholly legally warranted (See Phillips vs. Nakamichi, Los Angeles,1983,
Ruling Part VIII, para. 27, and assoc. Ref. Files, ).
6. And to quote Mr.
Monty Python, "I fart in your general direction".
Your Guido Kangeroo
User: Aussie | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: Tohnez: Interesting points. I'd love a little more clarity on the following:
1. The "warm and natural" sound one gets from vinyl is compressed. Is sound compression inherently bad for truer sound fidelity? Does the physics involved in the stylus apparatus not adequately solve the "compression" problem? If sound compression acts as a rampart to the audient, then what is the functional equivalent on compact disques? Is there loss of sound integrity when compact disque players read the sound in sequences like: 1010101010101010 versus what happens when a stylus runs along a groove on vinyl?
2. Wow and Flutter (great name for a band, by the way). Small variations in speed, hole misplacement, dust factors. Issues like holes on disques not being properly centred are clearly issues for the industry to grapple with. Come out with crappy product and eventually people will flock elsewhere for higher quality stuff.
Indeed (and as you astutely mention yourself)when compact disques first came out they were heralded as being indestructible and virtually scratch-proof.....we all know that's b.s. by now (to wit: I find myself steadily buying replacement disques in my collection...some skip, others are scratched, etc.) Compact disques too have their fair share of imperfections too. Has the sound quality improved tremendously over the years? You bet.
But vinyl is vinyl and I think that snobberry labels attached to vinyl collectors is patently unfair.
As for the other issue like dust, and speed, etc. Those are areas where the music appreciator CAN exercise control. Unfortunately, the prices for a kickass turntable are a tad astronomical, but hey, ya gotta spend your money on something right?
3. Groove stretching / 24 hour statute of limitations on listening to an LP. I laughed out loud at this one. Is this really true?
love,
Aus
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: YGK, Randy, Howard: Yes taking care of an analog system is important, cleaning the records, changing the needle regularly and getting a good cartridge makes a difference. A good point of many of the 70s re-releases on vinyl. (1) Record companies got lazy and didn't use the original master tapes but a copy (i've got a marginal LP, engineering wise of Stevie Wonder's Fulfillingness' First Finale I got discount in 1979),in which of course there is generational loss and extra hiss. (2) There was also a move from using less "virgin" vinyl to recycled which supposedly affected the qulaity. I've never seen, probably due to lack of looking, and specs between virgin and recycled, but I do remember that the records themsleves got thinner, and it might be natural to assume that the manufactuing process involved less care. My vinyl copy of Pretzel Logic is nice and thick since it was purchased shortly after release, but I didn't bu Countdown to Ecstacy until maybe 1978, and it's real thin and pliable as a flapjack.
Of course, many of the early transfers to CDs did not use the original masters - like SteelyDan. When I bought Aja in 1986 as one of my first CDs, it sounded 2-dimensional compared with the Mobile Fidelity LP I had. New stuff made specifically for the new medium, like Peter Gabriel's So just kicked major ass.
Having said that DVD-A will uhhh... bury the others
Last minute stuff then some packing...adios from left of the Rio
Grande
User: Hank Silvers | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: Reading tones's comment about the shuffle feature -- are there CD's you won't shuffle? Aja, for instance, doesn't sound right to me in an order than the one the band intended.
User: db | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: Thatz ok Randy.
I've enjoyed all the posts on the
subject.
Anglel: I've removed all my tapes from the damp
garage.
thanks
db
User: YGK | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: but the problem was, owners of vinyl didn't take the
time to take care of the records, cleaning every play, avoiding greased fingers
on the trax, etc.
I know a fine jazz drummer with an awesome jazz collection,
and when he plays records for me, it's pure aural and musical delight.....and he
takes special care......
ygk
User: Jon | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: Fourth Purple People Eater: Gary Larsen.
User: Randy | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message:
Steely-folk:
Good points concerning analog and digital. I for one have always felt there were good and bad things about each, but the issue I have is that the industry has been trying to convey from day one that digital WAS better, and until recently (the last four or five years) that simply wasn't the case. Obviously 16-bit was not the be-all-end-all because deficiencies came to light fairly soon, which is why processing elements like HDCD and super-bit-mapping came to light (not to mention higher sample rates in general). Granted it may only be a subtle improvement (in some instances), but some music is all about sublety.
Also: I think there was more of a "jump" in improvement between the 1996 Steely Dan remasters and those that came before, as opposed to between '96 and '99; either way, each was an improvement.
In general, the average listener was thrilled with digital because it sounded resoundingly better than the crappy turntable and integrated amp they had, so of course they'd see it that way. Audiophiles had problems with it from the start, but within the last five years, there's little difference; some things still sound better on vinyl, some on CD. Neither has ever had it all over the other.
In terms of recording, a good example of that would be Pink Floyd's decision to record the acoustic drums and bass on 1987's 'A Momentary Lapse of Reason' using analog, with the rest of the instrumentation being recorded digital; they felt the wooden resonance of the tom-toms and the bottom end bass were translated better via analog.
(Sorry to those who abhor any "serious" postings with words having more than two syllables, especially one that also includes things that relate to Steely Dan - what was I thinking? Music, Audiophilism, and/or Steely Dan on THIS board?)
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: k of w | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: Obviously any talk about vinyl being better has to make an exception for the late 70s on. That bad vinyl became a major selling point for CDs. We got the image of records that were full of pops and scratches right from the beginning, when it didn't have to be that way.
It isn't familiarity that makes vinyl sound much better, to me. CDs are better than they were. But there's a world of difference, especially more 'acoustic' music. It's alive. The depth of sound is all there.
The problem is that at the point CDs happened, the 80s, not only was the pop culture shallowing out, but music was getting more harsh and electronic, with Frankensteinian synthesizers and drum machines, and if anyone did a song with acoustic guitar, it was a freakish throwback or seen as an quaint attempt to revive "folk". The kinds of sound that were lost with CDs were the ones that weren't valued or paid attention to, then. So everyone let all that go, very easily. The majority probably can't even pick up or detect those sounds now, and wouldn't remember or know what to listen for.
Another thing--- re-issued vinyl albums sometimes lose so much depth of sound that you'd definitely be glad for CDs. I don't know why. The biggest example i know of is Simon and Garfunkel. Original 60s pressings sound great, but if you get a vinyl pressing from even 2 or3 years after it originally came out, it sounds shallow and tinny, by comparison. Recent CDs of S&G sound much better than these.
User: Howard | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message:
Clas: the durability of vinyl depends a lot on your
equipment, how you treat your records, and what the records are stored in. Most
new vinyl comes in those terrible paper sleeves - they very quickly produce many
fine surface scratches, adding a layer of noise to the output. What you want are
sleeves lined with a plastic film.
I confess to being a digital sceptic some years back, and a bit of an analogue die-hard. The fact that I heard more glitches on brand new CDs than on brand new vinyl made me stick to that position for a number of years, but now I'm happy with CDs (things have improved a lot) and realise that they give you a better chance of obtaining a good sounding result.
I did try doing a few A/B tests, in cases where I had a good vinyl pressing (usually a heavier-than-average disc made in Germany) and a CD of the same album. I tried this with Aja, Nightfly and a Joni album I think. To be honest, I never really came out with a firm conclusion either way. I have pretty reasonable hi-fi gear I think, but it's not easy to switch from CD to vinyl and get a fair comparison. The natural acoustic signal from the stylus is still audible if you just switch inputs, which means you have to keep raising and lowering the tone-arm, which is a pain...
A few thoughts though:
tones, you said (about analogue) that: All that "warm, natural" sound is
compressed.
Yes, but it's interesting to note that D+W actually WANT that
analogue compression on their recordings, and record to tape before transferring
to digital. I hadn't appreciated this before, but it seems that this isn't a
particularly unusual method of recording. In other words, the compression you
can get with analogue is one of the main reasons people think it sounds better.
And what about bad pressings (or bad transfers) on CD? There's no doubt that most of the worst-sounding purchases I've made were brand new CDs. Joni Mitchell's Copurt and Spark? Sounds horrible on CD. Several other Joni CDs had glitches, whereas the vinyl sounded fine. This isn't because the medium is inherently flawed, it's just that the public were so easily conned into believing that ALL CDs were guaranteed to sound better. There were so many shoddy, half-assed transfers of master tapes onto CDs, where the CD actually sounded much worse, but nobody complained! They got away with it! I did actually go back to the shops on a couple of occasions and complained, but the guys in the store generally reacted as if I was talking swahili. "But it's a CD! CDs sound great!". Can't you hear? This one sounds CRAP!!!
Until recently, you couldn't even purchase a copy of Joni's "Blue" on CD without the first half second of the first track being missing. I mean, what is that?!! And what about the story where Stevie Wonder phoned up Donald to tell him that the Nighfly CD sounded "funny". They later found out that some second or third-generation analogue copy of the final mix had been used for the CDs. You can just imagine them searching for the right tapes... "Here, here it is". "But it says it's a third generation copy?". "Hey that doesn't matter, because it's going onto a CD - CDs always sound great!".
Thankfully, things are much better these days.
Roy Scam - isn't there a quote from Donald somewhere about the FM strings? He said he loved the sound of strings in a movie theatre so much that they put them into that track, to recreate the kind of sound they loved.
Howard
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: Tell me, someone, are vinyls getting older? I am listening, sometimes, to old vinyls, say; Chicago, Blood, and J Mitchell. It sounds like scheize. And I can't believe it was that back then, when I bought them. They must be worn out, right? The tiny track and then the pick-up needle...?
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: And what's wrong with cassette tapes?
User: . | Month: 10 | Day: 14
Message: Um-djs have been scratching with cd's for a couple years now - Sony have had scratchable cd mixer/players out for a little while.
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: t, Randy, C et al.: excellent points
I have indeed found DVD-A to be warmer sounding than CDs - kind of like the best of CDs and vinyl put together...
Also, am a big fan of the last remasters, especially Royal Scam, which got the B-12 injection we knew would make it badder than ever. Superb separation among the instruments I could listen to Rainey all day, and actually have a couple of times...
Moll: you're too kind. Thanks...
Saddam's caved as Howard predicted - hope he stays in a box
Off to Florida for and in-law wedding bash with family. FloriDavid - what's your gig schedule this weekend? - you never know when a drunk herd might take the road trip late Fri or Sat down to Tampa for some trouble...a very remote possibility, but...
User: db | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Aja..if it happens again just press ctrl+alt+deletr 3
times.
that should sort it out.
User: Kind Spirit | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: The Bluebookers went over there as a last resort, only after the rudeness factor and lack of intelligence here got to be unbearable. If this keeps up, maybe there will be a reunion. Wouldn't that be swell?
User: StAl | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: >no, my boyhood did not precede the invention of the phonograph
Come man, admit it -- you were listening to Bix Beiderbecke 78's before most of us were, well, you know...
LMAO
StAl
User: Roy.Scam | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Tonez, Randy~ Good dissertations. I have dealt with the shortcomings of vinyl recordings since boyhood (no, my boyhood did not precede the invention of the phonograph). Personally, the only advantage i can see to vinyl over CD is that it's virtually impossible for a deejay to do any scratching with CD's.
My question for the day is: Were the strings in "FM" intended to be satirical, ie; making the record sound radio-typical ? Or were the strings layered into the mix in anticipation of the probable audience of the movie "FM"? Or did Don and Walt really like that discoesque sound?
RS
User: t | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Sorry Randy... I meant to engage Aus in that vinyl debate...
User: tones - remade/remodeled | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Randy - I disagree with you about the last round of SD remasters. I think that each one was a huge improvement in sonic detail and definition, except for Gaucho. And though there was some improvement to my ears, Gaucho wasn't the big leap forward I expected, given it's technological advancement over the previous albums. But that's me...
And I've never really bought into the "vinyl is better" argument either. I think it sounds "different", maybe "better" in that it sound more familiar to our ears, but the people who romanticize vinyl tend to gloss over a few things, such as:
All that "warm, natural" sound is compressed. If is wasn't, your $500 stylus would go bouncing right to the label from the vibrations caused by the low end.
Wow & Flutter - small variations in speed caused by such things as temperature, and even the hole in the disc not being perfectly centered.
Bad pressings - Generally throughout the late 70's and 80's, American vinyl were among the worst in the world. Nothing makes me laugh more than a vinyl junkie acting all superior then paying collector's prices for a late 70's MCA release. What a joke! Not only that, but everytime you play an album the grooves stretch. To maintain the integrity of that groove it shouldn't be played more than once in a 24 hour period. Add to that dust sensitivity... is it any wonder none of your records ever sound as good as the day you bought them?
And finally the cost. Cds have made it possible for the average consumer to have better sound cheaper. To get sound comparable to a $200 cd player, you'd have to pay that much for just the turntable, not including the cartridge and stylus ($50 - $500+), and make sure it's all aligned properly. And don't forget about changing the stylus every six months so your "warm, natural" sounding album aren't being ruined as you listen. Now, even among vinyl afficionados, how many do you you know change their stylus every 6 months? I used to try, and even at cost it got pretty expensive.
Cds aren't perfect (they were supposed to be indestuctable, remember?), but I think the trade off in warmth is worth is, considering. I tend to find that albums recorded for the album format sound better as vinyl, and modern recordings sound better on cd. I've heard cd's that just couldn't be reproduced accurately on vinyl because of their greater dynamic range. And I also understand that Sgt Pepper will never sound "correct" on cd... dvd-a maybe, but not cd. The greater sampling rate of super-audio/dvd-a is supposed to fix all that is wrong with cds. maybe, maybe not. But one thing that will always make digital superior to me is the "shuffle" button. Seriously, not being tied to the original running order of an album has made me hear specific songs and albums in entirely different ways. That is the biggest innovation yet inho...
sorry about the rant... slow day here at work...
t
User: never mind | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Wish you guys could have seen what just popped up on my screen-the entire GB was bright blue!
User: Aja..........????? | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Is it just my computer, or is the yellow now blue? If so, this is the best prank of the year.......
Aja
User: Aja..........????? | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Is it just my computer, or is the yellow now blue? If so, this is the best prank of the year.......
Aja
User: | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: I beg your pardon Mr. Eller... I missed the reference and over-reacted. I actually liked you guys, and I don't want the rest of the Purple People-eaters knocking at my door... though I can never remember who the other guy is after Page and Marshall...
User: Aussie | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: LuckLess Pedestrian: "help for for auditorily (?)
challenged:
are gold-plated discs akin to those mini gold discs?"
No. The gold disques are those super expensive ones 30 bucks and higher that have been remastered and plated in gold (I think 24k or something close to that); they are the same size as regular compact disques.
Aus
User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: help for for auditorily (?) challenged:
are gold-plated discs akin to those mini gold discs?
i used to work with a guy who was really into those - had hundreds of them, and they were really excellent in sound quality (to this untrained ear, anyway)
User: Aussie | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Randy: Dead-on target with your analysis. Compact disque fidelity does indeed "suffer" from in-your-face sound quality and thus compromises the lower end (richer) bass tones....for this reason, vinyl recorddes continue to offer bettre sound quality than compact disques can ever hope to offer.
Also, interesting point on the gold plated disques. And you're correct again on the fact that they are not sham offerings to the audiophile elite. They DO offer much richer sound quality; so discernible is the diffrence that even less fastidious ears can note the contrast easily.
One old law school bud of mine has one of the most amazing jazz collections on vinyl and on gold plated disques.....he one day schooled me (not just verbally but also had me LISTEN to the diffreences)on the whole sound debate revolving CD's versus vinyl versus gold plated CDs, and your brief commentary basically summed it up beautifully.
Aus
User: Randy | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message:
Steely-folk:
With remastering, all that is needed is the original two track master, because what's actually being done is the master tape is being retransferred (with improved technology) in order to facilitate multiple copies being made for mass production.
Occasionally albums are both remixed and remastered (the entire Who catalog for instance was remixed and remastered back in 1996), which requires the original multi-track tapes and the two-track master (as a reference). John Lennon's catalog is being remixed and remastered (1973's 'Mind Games' was rereleased last week), which many Lennon fans are not happy about, the view being that the original integrity of the work done (or approved) by Lennon is thus being altered or violated.
In most instances I wholeheartedly agree with the above claim, but in reference to the Who, both 'Who By Numbers' (1975) and 'Quadrophenia' (1973) benefitted greatly from remastering AND remixing.
Remastering is always a good thing in that it generally improves dynamic range (bass response in particular), stereo imaging, what some term "naturalness" or ambience clarity and warmth. Compact discs which were first mastered in the eighties generally suffer from flatness, sterility, a harsh high end, and a sound that is generally described as "cold." Columbia Records has been notoriously slow in remastering, so recordings first mastered in the early eighties are still being sold by them as well as other companies.
Contrary to popular belief, gold discs are not a scam because they DO sound better than standard compact discs. For one, they are meticulously mastered, with careful attention paid to every facet of the actual transfer. The discs are coated with 24-karat gold because the surface of the disc is much smoother (microscopically speaking) when it is coated with gold as opposed to aluminum. Aluminum tends to have tiny (microscopic) pits within its surface, causing minor tracking errors with the laser and thus a loss of fidelity. The JVC "XRCD" series is also exemplary due to their unique and meticulous mastering technology.
While the record companies DO take advantage of the opportunity to sell back a catalog to a consumer who has already purchased it, for those with a discerning ear (and the stereo components to match), it can be a worthwhile endeavor. The 1999 Steely Dan remasters may have only been a slight improvement in quality over the 1996 remasters (which the average listener probably wouldn't hear on his average stereo), but with the remastering process costing approximately $1000 to $2500 per album, I assessed that if Becker and Fagen felt it was worth it, then I wanted to hear them; anything that gets the sound of one of the best catalogs in the history of popular music any closer to what the astounding master tapes sound like can't be a bad thing.
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
P.S. For those thinking "O.K then Mr. Smartypants, just exactly what system are you listening to these remasterered or fancy gold discs on anyway?" To wit:
Nakamichi CDP-2A Compact Disc Player
Hafler Preamp
Denon Power
Amp
Music Fidelity 'CD Upgrade' Preamp
Cambridge Soundworks
Speakers
(Yamaha Tuner)
(Teac Cassette Deck)
User: Aja....@work | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: I missed one of MC's pics of a tree in North Carolina????? MC, please repost the link!
Aja
User: angel | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: KOTW: When dealing with old video or audio tape, the
binder usually is the problem. I have heard of a process that "bakes" the tape
and then a playback is done. That might be what the person was commenting about,
that it was falling apart in his hands.
(Click the link above for some info
on the subject.)
Too funny about that Howard Stern comment. Hey JW!!!!
User: Carl Eller | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Washed up anons?? What do you mean? I'm one of Molly's real ex-Vikings.
User: world, king of the | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: tnz---- I wish i could decipher P Waves.. just sounds like mess to me. I must be wrong, but i can't do anything about it. I believe i liked "All the Tired Horses". "On A Night Like This" got played on the radio, not indicative of anything great. The line about eating up some coffee grounds always stuck in my head (too much). I'd love to hear the Harrisong/Zimmie stuff. What on Self Portrait did he play on?
Duncan--- When Gus Dudgeon (prior to his recent fatal car crash, luckily) re-mastered most Elton John albums up through 1992, he said the master tapes were almost crumbling in his hands.
All I know of "compression" is that the Raspberries' "Go All The Way" is supposed to be a perfect example of this, and it had something to do with the fact that, while you believe you're hearing loud sections and quiet sections in the song, it's all really exactly the same volume, from beginning to end.
User: Duncan | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: I love the internet i'm now reading all about Loebe Julie
User: | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Yeah, and we get washed-up anons who reference washed-up ex football players...
User: Duncan | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: I have some questions about the mixing / mastering
process...
1, The 2'' tapes used in the past.
To remasted an album for CD
release would you need the finished ''master'' tape or all the various tapes for
each channel & instrument.
2, when transferring from analogue to digital
is they're a loss of quality ...I'm thinking along the lines of bmp/j-peg.
3,
once you've converted to digital files & they're all on your hard drive what
is sacrificed to fit say 8 tracks onto a dc
( and is the rest saved or
scrapped binned )
4, when mixing a dvd do you need to start from scratch with
the original analogue tapes.
5, what's the shelf life on a roll of recording
tape.
db
sorry if i've not used the correct terms or names for these things....but
why would i know anyway !!!!
If anybody fancies a sweep I'm taking bets.
I've already chosen May
4th...star wars day
User: Carl Eller | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Aja- Right on! Conversation IS much better here. I mean afterall...on the Blue Book all they do is talk about Steely Dan. Over here we can read about Molly and her Viking boy friends. We can look forward to MC next picture of a tree in North Carolina. It's all good Aja.
Nora Jones rules!!
User: Aussie | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Boring day.
http://www.bigfatbaby.com/newfun2/flash/saddam.swf
Aus
User: Last post: | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: New viruses coming, got this warning from:
www.hi-sec.com
C
User: Ouch!!! | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: That Wendel-site is great. Not State of the Art though :-)
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: JayDubz - hallo there, long time!
re Howard Stern, let's see on the next tour, when the world has turned all-Muslim, maybe Fagen's singing; "...they won't let me do it without the Fez on".
User: Jaydubz | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Clas is on the money ~ very common to record to 2" analog & then fly it into ProTools...
Howard Stern just did a funny bit about Osama Bin Laden releasing the tape...comparing him to The Dan ~ "you never see 'em, but the tapes just keep comin'" ~ complete with Artie Lang riffing on "Reeling..." in an Arab accent!
User: Aja......trying to find my way back to the hill | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: hoops-Chat on this? Why? I just think the conversation's better here, that's all. Mostly because people don't take it so seriously!
Aja
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Howard - was talking to my friend, he's a material man, a real gear-freak, studio-buddy, he says it's a pretty normal way recording on ordinary analog tape and then convert it to digital for ProTools. Then, even if you're sittin' with ProTools, you're not stuck with the digital format, there are ways out from the programme, if you want to, for example, add some real reverb instead of those cheap plugins, and then "back" in again.
The Summit TLA-100 Limiter is a "strong" compressor, you can push things
pretty hard.
User: Aussie | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: BlastMe!: LOL
User: Blast Me! | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Petre (AKA Aussie) Thanks for the update Aus. With you around I can turn off CNN.
User: Petre P. | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Breaking News: Iraq accepts Un resolutions.
User: angel | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Fantasy Camp for Rockers? Grab your axe and join the
jam. Here's the review, courtesy of the LA Times.
Click the link above, or
copy this. I believe you need to sign up, if you haven't done so
already.
http://www.calendarlive.com/music/cl-et-baker13nov13,0,664270.story?coll=cl%2Dhome%2Dmore%2Dchannels
User: Howard | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Bad Sneakers: thanks for the info. I knew about the warmth/compression you naturally get from analogue recordings when they're "pushed", but didn't realise SD were using this THEN transferring to digital for tweaking. That's interesting, as it shows that there are still some effects that can't be reproduced as well using digital gear (D+W's opinion of course, but they have pretty good ears.) I'd love to find out what Roger Nichols thinks of this procedure.
So now I'm wondering, when did they first use this approach?
If I remember right, everything upto/including Aja was recorded 100% analogue. Gaucho was essentially analogue recording, with some tweaks using Wendel. (speaking of Wendel, have others seen this? http://www.rogernichols.com/Wendel.html)
Now, Nightfly was recorded digitally I think, and Kamakiriad too? Not sure about 11ToW. So was 2VN the first album they used the analogue recording -> ProTools method?
Howard
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 13
Message: Howard/Bad Sneakers - good points.
---
And who brought in the compost?
User: "Apple Scruffs" | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Tnz..Two of the best...
George was the best"
BB no drive live as yet bummed'
gina..hi and thanks, Aja you do listen prego'
bluz
User: tnz | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: itknow - Man... thanks for jogging that vague memory. I remember being disappointed he didn't sing something.
King o world - I realy dig Planet Waves. That album changed my life. And I recently found out that George Harrison played uncredited on Self Portrait. There was a Beatles radio show I used to listen to on the net, and once they played rehearsal tapes of George at Dylan's place in upstate NY in 1970. It was great stuff. George was playing mostly slide. I think at one point while they're jamming on some early Dylan stuff, George reminds Zimmy of his own lyrics and they laugh. I loved it...
t
User: king o' world | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Fezo----
I like "Desire". Still haven't latched onto much vaunted "Planet Waves". I like a couple off of "Street Legal" (first song, & "True Love Tends to Forget"). But the song about the o-so misjudged mafioso guy seemed ill-considered, didn't it? Or is there something I missed? "Desire" is my 2nd favorite of his from 70s.
I want to hear "Self-Portrait", since double-albums are always the best or worst thing a band/musician ever did. ("Can't Get There From Here" by REM playing, now--- apt anthem for me, now.)
User: guitarman | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: What is Aja?! Is it a drink? A society of "alcoholics annomyness?" I know it has something to do with drugs or something of that nature, cause it wouldn't be a Steely Dan if it wasn't!
User: hoops | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Aja:
Didn't know one Dan Fan forum was trying to top
one or the other. Please explain. Hmmm...each just seem to have their own
personality types is all. Same for alt group, yahoo, etc. I try to post to them
all off and on since I like us all to connect. I think all the forums have their
strengths and weaknesses. Some people like one vibe or the other. Email me
sometime and we can chat some more about this.
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Guys we were talking Steely lyrics days ago in chat. Yes, we do actually discuss Steely there sometimes! So what's on the Blue Book is old news. BTW. Dr Mu is very smart. I find his opinions interesting.Although I don't agree with most of the things he posts :) Mu is ALWAYS informed. His posts are usually backed by facts. I enjoy reading his posts. Moreover, Our good Dr. has class. He never attacks others as sport. Dr. Mu and Howard probably have more right to behave condescendingly than almost anyone here. Yet, both have always been very nice.( and in my case, exceedingly patient)
My Viking,This time difference is a bitch. Flying Scotsman? Hmn.. I wish I
had been there too love. I still want photos of you in that kilt babe.
*kisses~~~~~~~~~*
User: fezo | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Desire naive?
No way, except for the last track which is a little too confessional for any artist, much less Dylan.
Isis and the backing vocals by EmmyLou Harris alone make it one of Dylan's best discs
User: king of the world | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Joyeux '03 for all sapiens... new SD and EJ in same year.
Saturation Sam---
Thanks. "Level" of what?
Fuck, all hail distortion! To hell with real life! 3% is significant? I must have super-hearing. Re "Who's Next"... was it really intentional? And on the part of the Who, or the producer?
User: Aja.....not working | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Well, yes and no. Yes, I've heard of the act ;o) but no, never heard it called THAT before. First Spanish kissing, now dime dancing-I got the news today. (LOL!)
Aja
User: June | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: See you at home, Ward, dear...
User: Aussie | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Aja: You didn't know about "Spanish Kissing"? Also, circa eight weeks or so ago in Bill Safire's On Language column in the New York Times, there was a lengthy discussion on the origin and meaning of "dime dancing" (Basically what the French call Frottage)......good stuff.
Aus
User: Aja | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Who cares, just as long as nothing gets erased this time!
Aja
User: Saturation point | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Perhaps the greatest advantage of analogue recording is its wonderfully 'warm' sound quality. Warmth is the word commonly used to describe the distortion inherent in the magnetic recording process. Distortion is measured as a percentage, and a 16-bit digital recording can offer distortion figures of around 0.01% or less, which not even Superman can hear. With an analogue recorder the figure increases according to how much level you put on the tape, so you have some control over how much distortion you want. It is usual to record at levels which will produce around 1% distortion on peaks, or up to around 3% if you are really pushing it. Listen to an old favourite album like Who's Next?, by The Who, if you want to hear the obvious, yet creative, use of tape distortion. It is possible to use more distortion on multitrack tape than on stereo tape, where you have to be a little bit careful.
User: king of the f'ing world ma | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Molly---- Blood on Tracks brilliant. Why did it pop up in the middle of the 70s without good material before or after for years? Desire was alright but naive.
SD likes analog?! How very validating. I guess i wish i knew why "saturation" = analog, but it's a useful bit o' information either way.
New Ryan Adams out. I find myself intrigued with what it might sound like. Yes, others may yearn to know an album's texture, its tactile properties in general, but as for me, I'll take a musical work's sonic aspects every time.
User: The Score: ANON Poster 2 - Dr.Mu 0 | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Speaking of The Blue Book. Dr. Mu is having his head handed to him on a silver platter by someone who really does know what they're talking about.
Hey Mu! Quit while you're (not) ahead!
User: | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: silence as everyone s t r e c h e s and yawns
User: | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: silence as everyone rushes over to the blue book.......
User: Aja.........back@work | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Just when I thought we'd (once again) topped the Blue Book with our latest musical conversation, they're talking about sexual references in Steely Dan songs. I'll never listen to "I Got The News" the same way again......
Aja
User: The Viking | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Guys - I told yaz once and i aint tellin yaz again -
Queens of the Stoneage - check em out.
Babes - get on the bloomin
blower(phone) then - heheheheh - I miss you too - you should have been doin the
"Flyin Scotsman" with me on Sat night ya know.
User: bad_sneeks | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: BB - I got the news - and I don't like what I read - Will reply
This digital versus analogue discussion is one that all producers / engineers / musicians and even the occasional drummer !!! have been having for years
Its interesting to compare the "digital era" Dan / danesque CDs.
Gaucho (one of my personal favourites) was almost universally panned as being "clinical" sounding - well put into context of what followed in the 80s and even the 90s as digital tried to find its feet (dire bad hair drum sounds, Frankie goes to sampleland, owner of a lonely eventide harmoniser, the phil Collins snare sound etc etc) the CD sounds great even today - because it was made by musical geniuses, not by engineers trying out the latest Digidesign plugin (and yes I am guilty on that count too)
Nightfly - Nobody can really criticise the production (often regarded in hifi magazines and technical journals as the best ever) but the process may still have been 16 or 24 bit so it could have sounded even better
Kamakiriad - The technology had improved immeasurably in terms of the converters used so obviously the CD sounds a bit "warmer" - Drums still a bit clinical for my taste but the Bottom end and the vocal both sound magical
TVN has all the hallmarks of the highest quality converters available being used (beautiful cymbals and reverb trails - incredible detail in the songs mixes - However since the release - Digi have brought out their new 196KHz HD system and its really getting to the stage where we (as the listeners) won't be able to hear the difference even if we are kidding ourselves that we CAN tell the difference between 48Khz and 96 !!
I think its great that the music we love so much will soon arrive in our homes much closer to the way it was first conceived - Now who wants to buy a $50000 hi fi to hear what it really sounds like ???
I'm off back to the studio to transfer some 2" to Protools. (HD of course)
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Howard: Bingo. You've got it. The 5.1 mixing would be done last after the group was satisfied with individual tracks. Yes, that does not mean that they will not record new tracks nor re-record previous tracks (no indication @ Toy - when gear heads say complete, they mean it) nor use another set-up/studio for D/A conversion. In the latter case you. might have some pretty pissed off engineers, espeically given the long work in a state-of-the-art facility... well, depends how much honey mustard they get and of course their great respect for SD...they could always decide to scrap it like in the mid-80s though the tea leaves seem not to point to that
Bad Sneakers: Interesting about saturation and analog tapes. I noticed
that the snare sounded a bit saturated to me on some TvN tracks, especially
Gaslighting Abbie. DVD-A adds most of the warmth back so it sounds more like the
Plush video...
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: This is funny. Every wonder was was written into those contract riders by rock stars? I'm especially digging the Foo Fighters requests.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstage2/backstage2.html
User: Beerberian endin' a 9 - 5 | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Bad S; Tried the BY addy then OK ? if not mail me @ above
Dunc; JT sampler in the Royal today ....enjoy
User: . | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Sanborn is an underachiever. He is capable of so much more. Check out his version of "Daydream" on "Music From and Ispired by the Motion Picture 'Glengarry Glen Ross'." Sublime.
The thing about analog tape being used on the new album was discussed a long time ago over at hoopsies. Lotso rumors about the new one but expect more than a few red herrings.
-.
User: YGK | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: When I was hosting a radio show in the mid 80s, I got to
see a lot of promo on Sanborn, but a lot of the WB artists they were pushing -
Bob James, Earl Klugh, Dave Grusin, Sanborn, Tom Scott and others, quickly moved
into the 'smooth jazz' staple of mindlessmellowness over a drum
track.
Sanborn falls into this category IMHO, and it's unfortunate, as I seem
to remember there was some funky workin stuff in '83-84......
ygk
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: What can I say guys? Sanborn does it for me...lol lol.
Maybe I'm just too common? Run a bubble bath, have a bottle of wine, light about
a hundred candles, Play Sanborn's "Pearls" and then add the company of a certain
Viking..
Oh yeah! I'm happy.
My Viking Warrior, Still having troubles
with computer. Missing you something fierce. *kisses~~~~~~~~*
Off to another
day of mental torture at conference M
User: StAl | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: I think I'm going to have to side with Howard's cautious optimism. I'd be surprised if it was released before the end of Spring. Nice scoop though Mr. B.
Here's something you might be interested in. It's KMTT's "On The Mountain 8" CD. A compilation of various artists who visited the radio station last year and performed live. Most of the artists on this disc are discussed with regularity on these pages so I though you might be interested.
http://www.starbucks.com/hearmusic/product.asp?category%5Fname=New+Releases&product%5Fid=180871
or click on the link above
Great to see old faces.
User: In the know | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: tonez: agree with you on sanborn -- in fact, fagen appeared on the "night music" show once, though he didn't sing, i remember him backing up patti austin when she covered "IGY"..
User: bad Sneeks | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Howard
Many artists still like 2" analogue tape due to the way you can drive the levels "hot" i.e. very high - this saturates in a very pleasing way (usually known in the business as "warmth") whereas digital starts to distort and sounds horrendous when you run it hot. A lot of bands still record using this method and use protools for what it is really brilliant at i.e> editing / putting takes together / trying out new ideas without costing the earth for tape.
With the advent of better A/D convertors it is not as much of a problem but guys like Fagen, Becker, Nicols etc can easily hear the difference and want their stuff to sound the way they hear it, not the way some electronic device makes it sound
I am sure that sonically the new release will be as brilliant as the last few and that means TIME unfortunately
BB I think it must be your mail system or the fact it has to go over the border :-)
User: Howard | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message:
Ack, it's true!
April 2002
WhereÆs The Tape?
by Roger Nichols
"Yet another album project to do, and not a tape machine in sight. Recording
directly into Pro Tools. Actually, except for Steely Dan
projects, everything
I have done in the past three years has been directly to some form of hard disk
recorder."
So, I wonder why SD wanted to go to analog tape first, then into digital...?
Howard
User: Howard | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message:
Am I the only one totally gobsmacked by the news?
They're recording to 2 inch analog tape?!?!? And THEN they're converting to ProTools? That is more surprising to me than the news that the project is "complete".
They are, after all, recording with Roger Nichols, who is - how can I put it - fairly keen on the whole digital recording idea. Surprising, intriguing.
As for the authenticity or accuracy of the reports:
any news is very welcome, and full marks to mr B for catching that excellent snippet. But the bottom line is, until we hear from D+W that the project is done - mixed, mastered and complete - we should always treat these reports with a little caution.
For example, the article says that over a year ago "Roger Nichols came to them with basic tracks for two of the songs". These were then transferred from 2" analog tape and converted to ProTools sessions on DASH tape. As I understand it, they have just done the same thing with another bunch of tracks. This in itself doesn't say anything about the finality of the project. They did this in 2001 with some tracks, they've done it recently with some more.
Also, the talk of mixing may just refer to mixes of individual tracks. We shouldn't necessarily conclude that the entire album has been mixed. And any mixes that have been done can, of course, be rejected and done again. Several times.
The only bit that indicates to me that the project may actually be near to completion is the quote:
"We've been working on this album with Walter, Donald and Elliot for 14 months, first recording overdubs, then mixes and recalls and finally the 5.1 mix"
Talking about "the 5.1 mix" hints that the whole album has indeed been mixed, and we're not talking about individual tracks mixes. Who knows, maybe the report is true and that mixing really has been finished for the album. Or maybe the guys quoted haven't properly understood what stage the recordings are actually at. Who knows? When there is substantial news at stellydan.com, that's the time to start celebrating!
Howard
User: Duncan | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Blaisie - whoah, great job.
I nearly peed my pants
reading that this morning.
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Blaisie - whoah, great job.
"The full package included Summit TLA-100 limiters, Prism Dream AD-2 A/D converters, Prism Dream DA-2 D/A converters, dbx 160SL compressor limiters, Meyer HD-1 powered monitors, Massenburg 8200 equalizers and Massenburg 8900 compressors."
Did you read that Aja? Powdered Monitors.
Molly - Sanborns "rawness"? You're kidding, right?
Roy Scam - hey, that was funny. Those Boogie Woogie Nights.
User: Gina | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Aha! Fine news indeed, Blaise. Now we got Joni's Travelogue, Rickie Lee is working on a new album as well and she played some of her new material during a show/ an interview two weeks ago and the technical details and such on the next New One ... sigh.
Lisa G, thank you. Clas is having fun exploring his new keyboards and his son Jonas also in the midst of his musical adventures. Due to daily life obligations i am kinda keeping a low profile and not using my voice to try and grasp a vocal chord high. Plus it is the wintery season, right? Hope you are enjoying your thang and should you have any material on tape, i'm always game for it!!!
Arlean, Zan, Bluz ... What if Steely Dan would ever cover a song, like a RLJ song .. which one would suit the best i wonder ... A Flying Cowboys track? I would go for Gravity, because somehow i think Donald Fagen's voice would give this song quite an edge ...
Joni's voice did sound a bit .... but somehow this fragility is perfect.
I
got this CD called Big Yellow Taxi, it has re-recordings of Rainy Night House,
The Priest, Blue Boy, Big Yellow Taxi, Woodstock, The Circle Game, Morning
Morgantown, For Free, He Comes For Conversation, Ladies Of The Canyon, Willy,
The Arrangement. Imagine, songs written mid sixties when i was doing
kindergarten time LOL
A big difference in how her voice sounded then and now.
But that's quite the charm of it, isn't it?
Off now, got work to do. Now i got all these names spinning inside my head,
what happened to Eric Marienthal .. i know Chick Corea decided to get the
Electric Band together and i even think they're playing this month ...
But
outa here now. Big Yellow Taxi in a three decades old version is sending shivers
.....
Banyan Tree Blaise Rules Again Bow,
G.
User: tonez | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: jjeff - you're right... The Pretenders first album is wall to wall greatness... Definitely in my top 10 debut albums...
W!P - I was waiting until someone mentioned "Smoke on the Water" so I didn't have to... then there's:
Bowie's All the Young Dudes -
"Saying we're juvenile delinquent wrecks
Man I need a TV when I've got T.
Rex"
"And my brother's back at home
With his Beatles and his Stones"
Actually, I don't know if that song counts, since it most likely is refering to the albums, not the bands... heh heh...
Bob Marley's Punky Reggae Party -
"Wailers still be there
The Jam, The Dammed, The Clash
Wailers still be
there
Dr. Feelgood too, ooh"
Funkadelic's Let's Take it to the Stage, which goofs on some mid-70's R&B "stars" -
"Hey Sloofus, (yeah!) tell us something good, let's take it to the stage, sucker..."
"Slick Brick! How's your loose booty?"
"And I sat back
(Talking 'bout you the Godfather)
Laughin
atcha!
(Godmother!)
Sittin in the woods upon a log
(Grandfather!
Heh!)
Finger on the trigger
(Fool and the Gang!)
My eyes on a hog"
"(Dirt, hot air, and no fire)"
"Slick and the family brick...whatcha you doing?
Let's take it higher"
There's five references there... everybody get those? 2 & 5 are the same...
I used to love this stuff... It kinda reassures me that all this music we listen to isn't created in a vacuum.
--------------------
I kinda like David Sanborn, though I can't admit to owning any of his albums. He'll always be alright with me for two reasons: his playing on Bowie's Young Americans album, and that show he had on in the early 90's called Night Music. Night music was a precursor to Session's at West 54th by quite a few years. It was Sanborn's all live music show where he gave diverse musicians like, jeez... I remember Sonic Youth, Daniel Lanois, Iggy (I think...), The Pixies, Todd Rundgren, The Residents... all kinds of jazz cats, and a lot of other, more diverse bands and people I'm too baked to remember right now. And not only did he sit in with whoever would let him, at the end of each show he would always try to get all those people to jam together (actually that usually didn't go so well...). Even though the show was buried at 12:30am Sunday night (Monday morning), it was the only nationally broadcast live music program, and he opened it up to everybody.
We need more of that. What passes for "music television" in this country is appalling.
Anyway... that's my $1.40...
Btw... just found out Sanborn played on Talking Book too...
Last bit: can anybody confirm a rumour I heard about Sanborn? In the 80's someone told me that he only has one functional lung. I'm not kidding. Would that even be possible? Everytime I've seen him play on tv since then I look to see some sign of it...
tz
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 12
Message: Up late, just caught James Taylor on Last Call with Carson Daly on NBC. On drums, Steve Gadd
User: moray eel | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: W1P: So we can't include the Coltrane reference on Kamakiriad or the Brubeck reference on The Nightfly?
Here are some others I like...
"Frank Zappa and the Mothers..." from Smoke on the Water by Deep Purple.
"That's the way it all began
We were hand in hand
Glenn Miller's
band
Sounded even better than before" from Reminiscing.
How about the Dead Milkmen?
"We went to a shopping mall
And laughed at all the shoppers
And
security guards trailed us to a record shop
We asked for Mojo Nixon
They
said he don't work here
We said if you don't got Mojo Nixon
Then your
store could use some fixin"
Of course, Mojo Nixon is the king of reference with songs like:
"Don Henley Must Die"
"Elvis Is Everywhere"
"Debbie Gibson Is Pregnant
with My Two-Headed Love Child"
m.e.
User: G-Spot Tornado | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: Next One = I'll believe it when I see it.
...and don't you eat that yellow snow...
User: Roy.Scam | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: MC~ Boss picture. Nice state you live in.
W1P~ I think the oddest mention of one rock group by another in a song might
be The Who singing about "old T-Rex" in You Better You Bet.
Also , Randy
Newman had a song about ELO on one of his albums. I'm sure it was meant
facetiously , but it almost sounded like a tribute. Randy also reverently
mentions The Beach Boys in "I Love L.A."
And how about John Lennon's Plastic
Ono Band singing, "I don't believe in Beatles."?
Dano~ Throw Back the Little Ones - Boogie Nights
RS
User: Lisa G | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: Tones!!!!!!!! (There's. A. Nugly little weasel 'bout 3 foot nine...) Back at ya, sweets. So good to see you in yellow. :)
Gina!!!!!!!! Girl, you got a voice and a half! I never got to tell you how much I loved your contribution on Steely Knives.
lp! It is so wonderful to hear from you. I miss your e's. How are things up north?
Moll-sorry I, too really dislike Sanborn, but it's not so much for his sound. It's his ideas or lack thereof. I think he's way too commercial and not very inventive. Almost un-jazz, permit me to say. Although someone mentioned the Al Jarreau "Since I Fell" which I think is his cup of tea as far as style. (Damn fine arrangement, too.) But straight ahead, he does nothing for me, even though he named a tune after me...LOL!
Anyone like Earnie Watts? Always had a soft spot for him. And speaking of
Grusin and Rosen...whatever happend to Eric Marienthal?
User: Molly | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: But Aja, Sanborn's "rawness" is what makes him so damn
good. He's real. I love the raw power in his playing. I feel the notes he plays
on some sort of primal emotional level. Saxophone is music of the soul. Sanborn
has plenty IMO. Each to his or her own..I suppose.
YAY!!!!! about
Steely..
My Viking, the conference bites big time. I miss you baby. My mails
to you keeps getting bounced. *kisses ~~~~~~~~~*
User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: B - thanks for the tip - it may bring more lurkers out of hiding if there is evidence of the next one in the making, no?
imho: Southern Rock sucks - i think i'm too much of a northerner but that line against neil young pisses me off to this day - sorry
hi gina and lisa g, good to see your posting
keep on rockin in the free world
User: Zan | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: Aja, I wouldn't even try to rank the Allmans and Lynard. Like apples and oranges, ay?
User: Aja.........up on the hill | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: bluz also closed his Friday show with Dr. John's "Afterglow". I pity anyone who can't get Jazz88 on Fridays!!!! If I understand correctly, bluz gets to play whatever he wants on his show-pure listening bliss!
I'll confess to liking "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Mr. Saturday Night Special", (as well as wearing cut off shorts) but Skynyrd will NEVER rank with the Allmans. All IMHO ;o) I passed on a date to see the Allmans live back in high school when I was too dumb to know better, and I will regret that all my life. I played the best of the Allman's CD all through my vacation in the mountains last summer, and it was the perfect soundtrack for those Sierra small towns. Those guys can rock AND play-what a concept!
Dr. Mu-I couldn't agree more with you on David Sanborn. Too harsh and raw. He makes my ears bleed.
Aja
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: ¯: You Da Man...24 bit ProTools files and 5.1 means DVD-A baby...waiting for Nightfly DVD-A - should be here by next week, TUE or WED...
User: Dano | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: t, Flatliners very good mate!! btw the five dots is just a rebel thing in me.....
Flori , Great days i bet with the Scots boys??
Sneakers , Will be in touch.
Mobiles!!!Yeauccchhh I Spit.
Cheers
Dano.
User: t | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: Damn Blazer... you do fine work! Thanks. I bet we're only waiting on the artwork now... or maybe they're trying to decide which unsuspecting music journalist to kidnap. Could be another year until the poor sap has recovered enough to write the liner notes...
Anyway ¯ maybe you could help me while we wait... I lost an "I'm a Beatles Fan" button back in the 70's...
Snakie, Angel (still love ya... even with that rally monkey in your soul ;-), Gina... big sunny No. Cal "Hello!"
t
User: . | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: So what. "was used to complete" -- Big deal. They could still be comepleting it. Kamakiriad was complete and was still worked on for a year. I don't think it's done until it's out.
User: Blaise | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: keywords: "complete", "was produced", "finally".
And all that by the 14th of October, looks like.
Oh yes.
Le Nouveau Dan, il est arrivT.
User: angel | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: Very good Blaise. What a find!!!!! Woohoo!!!!
Here, I ran with your
ball....
http://www.worldstudio.com/studios/presence.htm
Nice looking place. Beats working in that studio in LA, back in the 70's.
User: Wait there's more.... | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: THE TOY SPECIALISTS AT SCHARFF WEISBERG OUTFITS PRESENCE STUDIOS/STEELY DAN
Transfermat Provides Conversion from 2" Analog Masters to 24-Bit ProTools and From ProTools to DASH Tape
New York October 14, 2002
New York based rental company, The Toy Specialists @ Scharff Weisberg recently supplied Presence Studios in Westport, Ct. with a package of outboard equipment. The equipment was used to complete Steely Dan¦s (Warner Bros.) newest album produced by Walter Becker and Donald Fagen and mixed by Elliot Scheiner. The Toy Specialist¦s format conversion facility, TransferMat, also worked on the project, converting the 2" analog masters to 24-Bit ProTools files for the mix and then to DASH tape for mastering.
The project is being recorded and mixed in Studio A on Presence¦s Neve VR-Legend 60. "We¦ve been working on this album with Walter, Donald and Elliot for 14 months, first recording overdubs, then mixes and recalls and finally the 5.1 mix," comments Presence Partner, Jon Russell. "They are among our most discriminating clients so when they request an esoteric piece of equipment, or when they need equipment of the highest caliber, I always got to The Toy Specialists because I know they¦ll have it and that it will be in good shape."
The full package included Summit TLA-100 Limiters, Prism Dream AD-2 A-to-D Converters, Prism Dream DA-2 D-to-A converters, dbx 160SL Compressor Limiters, Meyer HD-1 Powered Monitors, Massenburg 8200 Equalizers, and Massenburg 8900 Compressors. "We have enjoyed working with all the folks at Presence Studios since their move to Westport many years ago," commented The Toy Specialists¦ Bill Tesar.. "Jon and Kathy run a very professional operation. It's a pleasure to provide them with the latest toys for the many high profile projects conducted there."
TransferMat¦s involvement in the project began in the summer of 2001 when recording guru, Roger Nichols came to them with basic tracks for two of the songs. The tracks were recorded on 2" analog tape at 15 IPS with Dolby SR. TransferMat transferred the songs into ProTools using Apogee AD-8000 converters to create 24-bit files. The ProTools sessions were then transferred to DASH tape, utilizing the Apogee UV22 dithering process to feed 16-bit signal to the DASH machine. Also, on several occasions, T.J. Doherty, who had been handling most of the overdubbing sessions on the project, brought in DASH reels to be cloned via DASH lock.
"As a studio owner, the last thing I want is a late night call at my home that the rental gear is out. I always push to use The Toy Specialists because I know the equipment will work. I just don¦t have to worry about them," concludes Russell.
The Toy Specialists at Scharff Weisberg is the leader in professional audio rental equipment. For more information on The Toy Specialists at Scharff Weisberg, call 212-333-2206.
Copyright ¬2002 ScharffWeisberg Inc.
User: sh | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message:
yay! i'm so excited i can barely cope...
(thanks B)
your next mission - should you choose to accept it - is to find out the
release date...
User: You Got That Right | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: "The equipment was used to complete Steely Dan's newest
album, which was produced by Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, and mixed by Elliot
Scheiner."[...]
The project was recorded and mixed in Studio A on Presence's
Neve VR-Legend 60. "We've been working on this album with Walter, Donald and
Elliot for 14 months, first recording overdubs, then mixes and finally the 5.1
mix..."
Ain't life beautiful? Ain't it though?
User: THIS JUST IN: NEWS ON THE NEXT ONE!!! <<¯>> | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: Steely Dan's Next One IN THE CAN, mixed, ready to go!!!
http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_presence_studios_receive/index.htm
Balise
User: me again.........um | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: What exactly did White Elephant do?
Did anyone else catch the A&E's Biography on Bowie last night? I thought
it was pretty good. I'm still groovin to Heathen.
Moll
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: Whoo Hoo! Thanks guys! You're not gonna welsh on me are
ya Dragon-man? hehehe... BTW thanks for the flowers, they were lovely.
Mu,
thanks for the reply. I like Sanborn and consider the things you say you dislike
about him as part of his distictive style and charm. I love his Fire. You can
feel the heat in his songs...Please tell me you like Rollins and Coltrane
Sugarman. mmmmmmwah!
Wild Bill, Come back to us baby. I understand about you
and Taylor...
User: Wild Cherry | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message:
Molly-I don't know who is going to win the bet, but
it was actually Wild Cherry who sang the song "Play That Funky Music White Boy".
In 76 it was the claim to fame around here, well more near here. The group was made up by guys from Weirton WV and Mingo Junction OH, although they called Pittsburgh their hometown. It's close, it's the tristate area. I happened to be living in Weirton at the time and it was like bigger than Dean Martin making it. (Dino grew up across the river in Ohio).
They broke out in little clubs around the hub of Weirton, the Down Under and later the White House down near Wheeling. Both owned by a guy named Eddie, who sells used cars these days. It was the closest thing to disco this area ever got. They were filming The Deer Hunter here around that time and everyone thought this place was going to go somewhere. Anyway, when you saw the white delivery truck with the cherries on the side, you knew someone was home. The bars even had contests for the ladies, taken from the album cover, for the fastest tying of a cherry stem with a tounge. Hey, it's a small backward town.
Rob Parissi later became a dj in Wheeling and I think he has a recording studio these days.
They play that song at almost every baseball and football game still, and every wedding.
Oh my, I am flashbacking to the 70's. Crack The Sky was also from that area. I think they are still together.
Arlean
User: Beerberian | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: Mu; Hope that's a Big Moon ....
User: ¦ - here comes the | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: Moon
User: ¦ - punctuality | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: sound. Sense of...
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: C: Yes. Slowly and with a heavy accent, on the clefts. I have a cheat sheet 70 pages long for the chords.
Mol: When he blows loud, it's reedy and unmodulated - sounds like an elephant...unlike Woods who has a fuller resonant sound sense of rhythm is just fair, unlike Potter for example - check how he flies around the metronome in WoH...ProTools, can't touch this... There's a reason Sanborn's never been on a Dan or Don or Walter record...
He is under contorl on the Mune Tune song - seems to be listening more to what Bob James and Steve Gadd are laying down...
User: Floridavid | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: Dano- They had GIANT anvil road cases in white with that
AWB Logo Painted
on them!I remember one Especially Big one that Opened Like a
Big Book on wheels. It was full of Wardrobe...Stage Clothes, Shoes etc. We all
thought that was so cool.
Moll-Play that Funky Music = Wild Cherry
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: Hey everyone!!!!!! I hope you had a great weekend. Does
any of my fellow Steely fans remember the band White Elephant? Did they do "
Play That Funky Music White Boy"? I'm trying to settle a bet..
Oleander,
repost 3052: I'm with you. No one compares with the Dan or Dylan IMHO. Someone
recently asked me my favorite Dylan tune.... I couldn't pick just one. Tangled
Up In Blue... Has to be one of my choices though. The same always happens
whenever someone asks me my favorite Steely Dan song.
W1P, The first tune
that comes to mind is "Play It All Night Long" By Warren Zevon. Sweet Home
Alabama.. play that dead bands song..Although He never actually mentions
L.S..it's a great song. And sort of fits..
Dr Mu, Why don't ya like Sanborn?
Not being critical, just interested...too bluesy and not jazzy enough? Do you
have same opinion of Grover Washington? Hope Halloween greeting did not offend
you. I have a strange sense of humor. Would never be my intention to be
insulting or rude. ( to you anyways)
BB,Have you ever listened to Nina
Simone? You may like...Give Judy Henske a listen sometimes too. She sends chills
down my spine. What a voice! Krall is nice, but never felt compelled to listen
to her very much. I thought Paula Cole did a good job on the song " Autumn
Leaves" on the soundtrack Midnight in The Garden of Good and Evil. Of course
K.D.Lang always sounds great. Was nice seeing you! Kisses to the wee man and hi
to Mrs.BB
Off to Conference now... Looking very serious in my navy suit.
*wink*
User: Gina | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: Listening to Joni's new Woodstock now and it's
amazing!
Long time since i heard her voice.
Shivers down the spine
..........
User: Gina | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: Wow indeed. Howard and Jaydubz and Lisa G. Talk about
Joni and i saw the pics of which Clas was referring to, the press conference and
all, pics of Joni, not the regular poses for publicity, so unique they
are!
Funny funny funny, i was humming Both Sides Now this morning and
thinking about the covers of that song, for Rickie Lee Jones would like for
others to perform her songs which is a difficult thing to do perhaps given the
colors she gives her songs. I thought about Joni then and the covers to her
songs etc etc.
And yes Aja, Bluz has a real great show, right?
Floridave,
T, Oleander in here etc etc. Cool!
Lisa G. your presence here a delight!!
Out of here again, but the GB was
nice to read so thanks to who made a difference :-)
Banyan Tree Bow,
G.
User: Beerberian doin his 9 - 5 | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: GB; Anybody catch Diana Krall on "Parky" sat night ??
Lovely Lady, fine
ivory tinkler, and smoooooth voice ...... anybody like ??
Bad S; You get mail (maybe twice) this time ????????
Star Wars ep 2 on DVD out TODAY !!!! light sabres on stun !!!! lookin forward to FF the love bits yeeeukkk !!!
bluz; still awaiting mine :(
I'm nippin off home now, to check this morns post (hope springs eternal)
User: bad S | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: Dano and BB
My hotmail address is not working but bad_sneakers@blueyonder.co.uk is if you want to try that.
Bela Fleck & the flecktones on Sunday night - Can't wait
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 11
Message: ¦ - do you read music Doctor?
User: oleander | Month: 10 | Day: 10
Message: jon--long time, bro! Bob Dylan. He & the Dan have held my attention, admiration, and heart far far more (& longer) than any other artist(s).
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 10
Message: Hard Act to Follow - Split Enz
Parker's Band - Guess who
Ben Folds released a live albume - Bend folds Live. Now THIS is
Naked...just Ben and the piano...like most albums - it's a you had to be there
thing...only a few come off with the DVD sound quality of Plush or Neil Finn
West 57th. But stuff always gets lost in the translation of most live rock CDs.
If you open mic it, like Ben did, the sound quality is not crystalline - Ben's voice does sound good. On the piano - he gives it a Wall of Sound effort...I'm amused at Ben directing the crowd to fill in the horns on Army and sing harmony on Not the Same doing the AAhhhhs in the chorus...it's clear Ben is a real showman...missed the Houston show due to a family trip - too bad
If you close mic it, the album is sterile, especially when overdubbed out the wazoo like Alive...better with the St. Louis and the other stuff floating around...
new Christmas album rleased with Ben Folds, neil finn, Jimmy Eat World and others - what a concoction...
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 10
Message: What is it about those Southern bands that love to write songs that mention all the other Southern bands? Examples: Charlie Daniels, "The South's Gonna Do It Again", Molly Hatchet "Gator Country" Mellencamp does something similar with "Rockin in the USA"
So what are your favorite songs by bands about other bands? (and none of this Hotel California Everything You Did stuff this time around)
User: tones - flirtin' with disaster | Month: 10 | Day: 10
Message: Dano - I think I see what's going on here... this is like one of those psychological exams, right? Uh... can I have a cheat sheet?
(psst... btw, I won't say anything to the punctuation police about those extra dots... no sirree bob... they won't hear a thing from me...)
Do It Again... Groundhog Day
Caves of Altimira... Castaway
Turn that
Heartbeat Over Again... Flatliners
Reelin' in the Years... Time
Bandits
Bodhisattva... Kundun
Monkey in Your Soul... Planet of the Apes
Lisa G - Wad'up? Funny you should pop in this week... everytime I pull out B'way the Hard Way (like I did this week... had to hear "When the Lie's So Big" after the elections) I think of you. Glad to read you and Daddy G are well...
Jdubs - "Yo!" to you too..
Happy Sunday everyone...everywhere...
t
User: Dano | Month: 10 | Day: 10
Message: Flori , Do you still have the White album by Average White Band, the one with the lady`s bottom on it. What a fabulous album and my fav Scottish band of all time, playing Queen Of My Soul as we speak.I also seen them many times in my youth and recently seen them in August doing the club scene over here , still bloody marvelous.
Great Story Mate.
Dano.
User: Floridavid | Month: 10 | Day: 10
Message: Hello to Everyone.Been so busy Playing Gigs...but always
Lurking and Reading.
Friday night I was in the middle of a song(on guitar at
that moment)and a thought popped into my head. It is exactly one year ago I had
Vocal Chord Surgery. I got a nice little Rush thinking how good it felt to just
be there Singing.
ICPaul-Have I heard Candy's "Pickup the Pieces"? I actually Play her version
on my Gigs. And I (with my former Band) opened for AWB on some dates way back
when. Steve Ferrone (Eric Clapton, Tom Petty, Duran Duran etc.)was on Drums.
Steve was truly an Inspiration each night. I would towel off my head after our
set and run out into the Audience to Catch AWB's set.Big fun when I was in my
20's! LOL
Thanks for the Memory Jog.
User: bassinstinct | Month: 10 | Day: 10
Message: BB:
Pleased you got in touch with F.
My Supanet Mailbox currently unuseable - temporary service (until further notice!!) @:
neilthompson00@hotmail.com
Best regards.
User: Dano | Month: 10 | Day: 10
Message: Right People , Bit bored here this morning waiting for the Outlaws coming round for there Sunday nosh.
My Five Fav Steely movie songs.
Two Against Nature.....Deliverance.
Bad
Seakers.....Forest Gump.
My Old Scool.....Grosse Point Blank.
Dont Take Me
Alive.....White Heat.
Your Gold Teeth.....Marathon Man.
Anyone else with any Doosers.
Sneeks , Need your E-Mail ya tube??
Cyn ,Alan Great night hope the week goes well in Somerset.
User: A Busy Week in LA | Month: 10 | Day: 9
Message: Several Items of news relating to Which One's Pink? and Friends
On November 23, 2002 Which One's Pink? -- LA's Pink Floyd tribute -- is playing the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum as one of 40 acts at the Cypress Hill Smokeout (including Cypress Hill, Snoop Dog, The Circle Jerks, Mudvayne, Wild Child and Led Zepagain). Check out the Smokeout website http://www.smokeoutfestival.com
Tonight, November 9, 2002, Swan's Led Zepagain (featuring our own Steve Zukowsky as "Jimmy Page") plays Paladino's in Tarzana. http://www.zepagain.com Also appearing -- Sticky Fingers and Gabble Rachet (a Genesis tribute)
Monday November 11, 2002 Numira (who have done "Sheep"), the excellent alternative rock band fronted by sometime Which One's Pink? guest guitarist/vocalist John Stack, will play Dragonfly in Hollywood. http://numira.net On Saturday, November 16, 2002, Numira also will play a battle of the bands at the Hard Rock at Beverly Center (they will be judged in part on what kind of a crowd they draw, so support them if you can)
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 -- feel free to take the night off!
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 at Platinum Live in Studio City, good friend Jimmy Caprio will play with Andrew Gold ("Oh What A Lonely Boy", "Thank You for Being A Friend") in an incredible tribute to the Byrds called Byrds of a Feather. It is pretty certain that Chris Hillman himself will be sitting in. http://www.byrdsofafeather.com
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 14 Below, several artists appearing on our soon to be release Pink Floyd compilation CD "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd" will appear at 14 Below. These artists include Mike Keneally (who has recorded "Astronomy Domine") http://www.keneally.com , the beautiful Sally Semrad ("Wish You Were Here"), the Danny Allen Band (whose band Harvette has recorded "Bike") and Yortoise (featuring "Fair Forgery" producer John Would on guitart -- and who will soon record "Money")
Friday November 15, 2002, "Fair Forgery" artists Tom Freund ("Fearless") and Graham Parker ("Comfortably Numb") will peform at McCabe's in Santa Monica.
Saturday November 16, 2002 -- Don't forget Numira @ The Hard Rock
User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 10 | Day: 9
Message: something a little dark and rich if you'd like to have a peek:
http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/WalMartSunset.jpg
or click the Homepage link at the top of this post.
enjoying a laid back warm Autumn weekend in southside Virginia,
MC
User: Lisa G | Month: 10 | Day: 9
Message: Hey Aja!!!! How's the dancing swirls?
angel-we've added "Groove Me" and the Bonnie Raitt tune "I Can't Make You Love Me" (you know the one with the ever-so-righteous Mr. Hornsby tickling the keys?) both with me on leads and a couple of Pseudo latin numbers (I say "pseudo," 'cuz we're no authentic latin band, but we do a reasonable "Oye Como Va" that does NOT suck--also I get to wail on the organ for that one, so no complaints here).
Oh Dex Gordon, no relation to me, is one of my all-time favs. Add of course Brecker, Adderly and Joe Farrell, one of the few who could actually double on flute which is quite impressive in my book. I suppose I hadn't really read the thread topic...thought it was favorite SD sax moments.
Still reelin' over the Police news!!!!!!!!!!!!!
User: Jim and Julie | Month: 10 | Day: 9
Message: Julie's asleep, a few feet from me.
Wasn't planning to post tonight - on ANY board - but we have VH1 on and there was a Nike commercial where everyone (there must've been a hundred-zillion people) were running through what looked like an African plain and the sound accompaning the video matched my memory (I'm 40) of any Mutual of Omaha episode where the gazelles or the water buffalo (or _______ you fill in the blank)were hauling-ass away from the tigers or lions or whatever.
The message is in the sound of those hundreds of sneaker-beats, but in the end it's "Hey! You Over-40's! Remember this sound? BUY ME! BE PART OF THE HERD!!
This has absolutely nothing to do with Walter and Donald, except that they just might've already seen the irony before the rest of us did. Or maybe it's just me.
User: Talk dirty to me... | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: W1P - Remember? I've been looking for my damn Romeo Void cd all day...
User: Bill | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: St. Al,
Sorry DUDE, The Motels were great.
As were the Psychedelic Furs, hehehe...
I think your favorite 80's band was Poison wasn't it?
:)
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Hey man, I just wanted credit for that fairly obscure reference -- Remember Girl in Trouble?
User: Hold the Presses! | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Jesus H Christ
Can you believe it?
bink here or
above:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/08/leisure.police.reut/index.html
***********
somebody told me asterisks means you are being fecetious
poor stewart, i mean, really...
i do have all their releases as the police and i never get sick of
playing them - it's to their talent they could have the sound and quality they
do with merely a 3 piece band
saw them in 1983 in the carrier dome in syracuse, was anyone else there? it was a great show
i also saw them in 1979 at a tiny club called the lost horizon in syracuse, anyone there?
i say that somewhat seriously because i met a guy at rotary (don't ask) up here in maine and somehow we got on the subject of the police and this guy was at the same concert at the dome - so weird, at freakin rotary, man!
off to sleep
User: Beerberian way past bedtime | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: St Al; you and W1P really need to check out "Irritable Vowel Syndrome and how it spoilt my life" by swt hm lbm LOL
It makes no difference what I say you've made your choices anyway ...
User: Beerberian way past bedtime | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: St Al; you and W1P really need to check out "Irritable Vowel Syndrome and how it spoilt my life" by swt hm lbm LOL
It makes no difference what I say you've made your choices anyway ...
User: Hello | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Sax King
fill in the blanks ok..brecker can
play
Brian Bromberg's Jaco is a tribute to Jaco.
The quote is mine about
"chicken shit" from 85'
bluz
User: Girl in trouble (is a temporary thing)... | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Sorry W1P... I missed that... I'll just sit here In the Dark in my White Sweater and keep Myself to Myself...
User: ¦ - Sax Machine | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: I'm not a big David Sanborn fan, but he has a really weird album with Bob james from the 80s - Double Vision...engulfed in the nadir of 80s early smooth jazz production...sequenced and synth drums, synth keys, midis out the wazoo, lots of echo...real Weather Channel stuff...like Gaucho production to the extreme. But all this together make the album so weird sounding, that it's... good, maybe classic- nice tunes...and Al Jarreau sings the standard Since I Fell for You...Moon Tune is very weird good...it helps that Tommy LiPuma is the producer who is an expert at giving an album an Open soundscape...Gadd does what real drumming is on there - very good on Moon Tune interplaying with James' acoustic piano and Marcus Miller hamming it up...
Drive a Ford to victory or a Pelosi to ruin in '04?
http://www.salon.com/politics/wire/2002/11/08/ford_bid/index.html
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: I mentioned Romeo Void earlier -- Never Say Never
User: more hot sax in the 80's: | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Romeo Void... Ohio's own Tin Huey... Jame's White & the Blacks...
User: Jaydubz | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Howard ~ I'm extremely excited about the upcoming Joni release as well...thanks for the tip on the sneak preview site! "Amelia" sounds awesome! :)~
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Bill: The Motels? Dude, the Motels SUCKED. Sax solo or not...
Aja: No, comparing Lynard Skynard to the Allman Brothers isn't fair, which is exactly what you did! :) Allman Brothers are one of my top ten all-time favorite bands. Lynard Skynard might be in my top 100. BUT! They most certainly did bring something to the party. I'm a sucker for the rock anthem, and, well, you can not deny Freebird's rank at the top of this heap. It's a classic, which is why so many people make fun of it. I've never really considered the Allman Brothers to be a "Southern Rock" band (more of a southern blues band). Lynard Skynard is, and is at the top of that heap too!
Don't mess with the needle...and the spoooooon....
St(redneck)Al
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Hey Beer if my spl czecher dont catch it I cant fix it, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.
User: sax king | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: wot ?
no mike brecker ? you sad person
Why DO fools fall in love ?
Never quote Bromberg playing Jaco in the same vein as Jaco playing anything by the way
MYOOZIK is king (of the world - as far as I know)
User: Saxophones Of Mass Destruction | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message:
Here's The Cat's..not in any order except no.
1.
Charlie Parker
Lester Young
Coleman Hawkins
Arnett Cobb
Wayne
Shorter
Jimmy Forrest
Gene Ammons
Jackie McCLEAN
Stan Getz
Joe
Henderson
Roland Kirk
Bill Evans
Yuseff Lateef
Dexter Gordon
Lou
Donaldson
Stanley Turrentine
Kenny Garrett
Eddie Harris
Gerry
Mulligan
Sonny Rollins
Art Pepper
Pharoah Sanders
Joe
Farrell
Sonny Stitt
Canonball Adderly
Jr. Walker
Tom Scott
Phil
Woods
chew on this awhile and get back to me"
played today
Kenny Garrett "happy people"
Lamont Johnson "burned by the
passion"
Horace Silver lp 'stylings of silver"
Larry Coryell "cedars of
Avalon" d' natural blues
Nina Simone in concert( I put a spell on you)
Sea
Level "rain in spain"
Brian Bromberg Jaco "the chicken" "It's hard to make
chicken salad out of chicken shit" bluz 1985 to the LA times.
Gerald Beckett
"black eyes"
The Deacons w/kenny schopmeyer " staight up"
ZZ Hill "it'a
hang up baby"
Clifford Jordan "charlie parkers last supper"
nice to have your ears today Aja!
bluz
User: Beerberian | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: W1P; Look ol boy Lynryd Skynyrd has NO vwls .....vn th UK knw tht
Do you not play hangman in the US ? That is the game NOT the CP variety ...
OR you being So clever and ironic in an NY Dan way LMUKAO Frybyrds n yll
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Wow, great stuff going here folks. Great interview segment with Joni M. - I'll have to get some more besides the old classic pop of the 70s.
H:
"Q: Wayne Shorter, of course, makes more minimal gestures than Coltrane, which perhaps allows him to play more complementary parts around the kind of complex structures people like you and Steely Dan create for him."
Right, Potter fits in well with the pips and squeaks. Coltran might go well with a few of Donald's solo tunes. For example, I could really hear 'Trane roaring on Maxine, espeically if they slowed the tune down a tad
"Joni: The way I've always worked with Wayne is, I give him twelve tracks and
cut him loose, and then I edit him. So he can play everywhere, but I know the
places where I want him to play, so I can cut air in. But he'll literally crawl
over the notes like a fly. He'll have one leg on the trumpet and one leg on the
piano, going back and forth-and then he'll lift off and land on the string. I've
heard him say, "No, I'm not gonna play the horn. I'm gonna play strings." More
than anybody I ever played with, he'll go straight to the heart of the
problem in the music and solve it even before he's into his own
interpretation"
Yeah - that's what I hear, except she articulates more elegantly - an
awareness of everything around him (Shorter). That Miles' training for sure...
That reminds me...There's this great story told (better) by Herbie
Hancock about Miles Davis, where he and the quintet are playing a concert in the
60s. Herbie says that he was playing with the band on a song (forgot which one)
when Hancock accidentally hits this really atrocious chord. "It's so bad, man, I
just have to stop. I mean stop dead on the piano...and I'm looking up at Miles,
just waiting (for a look or worse). I'm just knowing he's going to think...but
Miles without missing a beat takes this terrible chord, this junk that I've
made, and does something beautiful with it. He changes what he's doing and plays
over the chord...no one in the audience ever noticed I think. Amazing..."
SH: By public, I mean that the airways are public domain - stations can
be owned privately, but anybody has the right to broadcast or say whatever they
want, this is ultimately true for the internet...the 20th, and now the 21st
Century equivalent of the town square or the newspaper. It is the freedom of
POLITICAL SPEECH that was intended to be most protected by the 1st ammendment .
Porno's fine, but that's not the intent of the 1st ammendment - it's political
speech (sometimes it's hard to tell the difference) to allow the exchange and
debate over ideas without fear of reprisal...it goes with the right of
assembly...
User: 12 year pedestrian | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: OMG - this is hilarious, since we are discussing bands, go here or bink above:
http://walkingdead.net/bands.php3
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Aja, sure Mr. Saturday Night's so special, got a barrel that's blue and cold" Simple Kind of Man? I mean, don't those Busch commericials have you itchin to get in some beat up cut offs and jump in a swimmin hole with your friends and a case of cheap beer? And then there's Sweet Home Alambama, Free Bird, Gimme Three Steps, Gimme Back my Bullets, That's Smell and that wonderful ode to life on the road (right up there with We're An American Band) What's Your Name? Play it pretty for Atlanta.
I'm not saying they were better than the Allmans -- such a statement would be pure stupidity. I'm not saying that the Allman's didn't do their fair share of pioneering -- since that too is obvious. But Skynnard rocked harder (were less "jazzy") and inspired a different brand of Southern Rock (Molly Hatchet, Tom Petty, Black Crowes). And you know how I feel about headbanging.
t: The Wizard synch with Dark Side is a stone trip and actually worth
watching once. The Sgt. Pepper's of the 80s? Man that decade has some slim
pickings. I'd say The River and Joshua Tree must be considered. "Nevermind" was
released in 1991.
User: angel (Walking between the Raindrops today) | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Bill: To a certain degree, equal time already exists for candidates and has for years.
RRHOF to induct The Police? Oh no, now my child will drag me back again....
:-)
Actually, I would love to return someday.
Lisa G: What's your group been playing recently? Any Dan?
User: Aja..............friday, friday, FRIDAY! | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: bluz was rockin' the house on Jazz88 today! He put on Herbie Hancock's "Hang up your hang ups" and I couldn't go into work until it was finished (stayed in the parking lot for the whole duration). The best radio anywhere is Jazz88 on Friday mornings.
The Allman Bros. and Lynyrd Skynyrd shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath! Lynyrd Skynyrd: a bunch of good ol' boys who hated their gym teacher. Allman Bros: a bunch of good ol' boys who can really play music! "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed", "Jessica", "Pony Boy", "Melissa" and that's just off the top of my head. Can Skynyrd even APPROACH anything like these?
I was 14 when the 80's began-the perfect age for that style music. Don't listen to it much anymore, but occasionally it's fun to stroll down musical memory lane (right, lp?)
Hi Lisa G!!!!!!
5 hours 'til I'm free........
Aja
User: Bill | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: How about Michael Brecker (I think it was Michael
Brecker) on
"Doctor Sax" from the Micheal Franks album "The Camera Never
Lies"?
The Motels "Only The Lonely" has a great sax break in there too.
Mu & Hips,
Maybe we should have complete public financing of
elections.
The government would buy all the airtime for political
candidates
and all sides would get an equal amount of time. This way
EVERYONE's
right to free speech are protected no?
User: sax to the max | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: David Sanborn on Fagen's "The Finer Things"--what a
great tune.
Dexter Gordon all over Herbie Hancock's "Takin' Off" LP.
The
Four Brothers--eveyting they ever blew with Woody Herman's herd.
User: Lisa G | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Big shouts to Howard and angel!!!!!!! Yeah, fell off the face of the planet, but found my way back home at last like a good little crusader.
:)
Can I jump on this sax thread? Not a huge CandyFan. I know I'm gonna get some flack for this, but I suppose the fact that she's a woman makes her a "thing." I've never been more impressed with her over others. I have to agree with other folks here and go with either Janie Runaway or Dr. Mu myself as my fav SD studio sax-O-feast. Although Aja is quite special. (And what a thrill to hear Wayne Shorter.) Tom Scott's arrangments are always top-notch , and his improv solid, but I take issue with his too-much-in-your-face sound. (Also, Donald knows a thing or two about horn arranging. Not bad for a pianist.) I think Mr. Woods is the all-around sax god here. He's got it all: sound, sensiblilty, effortless phrasing. 'Course, this is just off the top of me head. Maybe tomorrow after I think about it, I'll feel completely different.
It's good to be back. :)
User: Moll .........heading out to do some serious climbing | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: LcPaul, Good to know you're better love. I happen to
have Candy Dulfer's CD Saxuality. It was decent. I love Grover Washington's "All
My Tomorrows". I have several of his CDs. Still no one compares to Coltrane,IMO.
My Viking, I'm working on a new care package. Hope to send you more SRV.and
Jerry Harrison's" Casual Gods." Think you'll love both. Right now i'm listening
to Curtis Mayfield. Off to Red River Gorge now. I want photos of you in that
kilt.XXXXXXXXX~~~~~~~~~~! Tat is healing up nicely.
Dragon man, always glad
to know you're about. MMMMMMMWahhhhhhhhh!
St.Al you are still the sexiest
looking man in North America!
User: sh | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message:
Bill and Mu: Do you mean public tv as in PBS or just
regular tv? Cause broadcast television is just another big business - not a
public service. No freebies. Candidates/issues just spent about $10 million
(between the 4 biggest networks) in this market on political advertising. I know
people think their local tv stations are required or obligated to serve the
public - they're not. It's just business. We only participate in community
service to keep the viewers happy so they'll watch our station and buy the
products advertised and keep us in business. Them's the cold hard facts.
Now back to our regularly scheduled program...
User: angel | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Lisa G!!!!!!!!! You fall off the face of the earth or something? Missed you!
Howard: I love the fact that you can come up with that answer without listening to the cut. Thanks, I thought for a minute I was going crazy.
St Al: Bernard beat us to the song/food connection!
Blaise: Good find. :-)
Raining in LA today. What an unusual occurance. We will have a clean outdoors for a day or two.
User: Howard | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message:
Oh my, oh my...!
Joni fans will already know that her new album, "Travelogue", is due out soon. It features orchestral versions (with Joni singing, of course) of songs from throughout her career. Well, you can get a sneak preview at www.jmdl.com (homepage link above)! I just listened to the new version of Amelia... wow!!! A new track featured every day - check it out.
It's similar to her previous orchestral album "Both Sides Now" - I think the arranger is the same (Vince Mendoza), and the arrangements are truly wonderful. I think the orchestra is also the same (London Symphony Orchestra).
Can't wait.
Howard
User: Howard | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message:
What a day this is turning out to be on the GB! Lisa
G checks in after disappearing for months on end, a discussion of Joni and
Paprika Plains starts up, Clas throws in a casual Joni anecdote ... oh boy!
Lisa G - so glad you're back! Don't leave it so long between posts next time OK? Great to hear from you again...
Duncan - I'm almost positive the percussion on FM is congas, rather than bongos. And there are congas on other SD songs - I think there are some on "What A Shame About Me", and possibly elsewhere.
OK, Joni talk now. Wayne Shorter has played on a LOT of Joni albums. I think he has featured on most, perhaps all, of her albums since Don Juan's (including Don Juan's - e.g Paprika Plains).
Clas - the solo near the end of Paprika Plains is Shorter. Yet another example of restrained but powerful playing. He nearly always plays soprano sax on Joni's stuff, though personally I'd love to hear him play some other saxes as well. Joni has a thing about him on soprano sax:
==============================================
(from an interview,
available from http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=196)
Q: Wayne Shorter, of course, makes more minimal gestures than Coltrane, which perhaps allows him to play more complementary parts around the kind of complex structures people like you and Steely Dan create for him.
Joni: The way I've always worked with Wayne is, I give him twelve tracks and
cut him loose, and then I edit him. So he can play everywhere, but I know the
places where I want him to play, so I can cut air in. But he'll literally crawl
over the notes like a fly. He'll have one leg on the trumpet and one leg on the
piano, going back and forth-and then he'll lift off and land on the string. I've
heard him say, "No, I'm not gonna play the horn. I'm gonna play strings." More
than anybody I ever played with, he'll go straight to the heart of the
problem in the music and solve it even before he's into his own
interpretation.
Q: Has he always been the guy who plays soprano saxophone parts on your records?
Joni: Well, Tom Scott played a little soprano for me back then. But since my relationship began with Wayne, there is no other.
Q: Does he record the soprano parts after you've laid down your vocals? Or do you ever do them live at the same time?
Joni: I just cut some Gershwin tunes live with him and Herbie for Herbie's album. And Stevie Wonder! That was delightful. We can do it that way, but these are my compositions, so I tend to layer it.
Q: In listening to the new album, as well as some of your previous albums, it occurred to me that if you deleted the sax parts, the songs would still be complete.
Joni: I put Wayne in for something for me to listen to. Now, when I finish a record, it isn't really for me to listen to. But when somebody's got it on someplace and I hear it, I just thrill to listen to Wayne on there.
========================================
Joni has also talked about her great communication with Wayne, using metaphor. She'll say things like "play some high heels over this bit", and he'll know just what she wants.
Someone also mentioned Brian Blade, who she toured and recorded with (Taming The TIger) a few years back. He's a great drummer, so well suited to her guitar style. He really gets inside those off-beat polyrhythm strumming patterns she uses.
Tom Scott is another interesting Joni - Steely connection. His arrangements on For The Roses are wonderful, and as we know, he went on to even greater things like Aja.
So, Clas, you asked Joni the Jaco question at the Polar Prize press conference? Nice one. Jaco did some of his best work with her.
angel - I think you're right about the Snowbound talking, I remember some quiet talking underneath the guitar solo.
To end with a great opening lyric from Joni ("Talk To Me", Don Juan's):
"There was a moon and a street lamp
I didn't know I drank such a
lot
Till I pissed a tequila anaconda
The full length of the parking lot!"
have a good weekend folks,
Howard
User: Beerberian | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: I have a tape somewhere of Candy on stage with Van the Man filme in Germany I think excellent pair of lungs !!! She did some work in the 80's with Dave Stewart too
User: Paper¯uoy | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Never mind Pork Tornadoes with String Cheese.
Up in
Oregon, meet Pretty Purdie's own "Soul Stew":
http://www.oregonlive.com/entertainment/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/entertainment/1036587307185770.xml
"Cold Sweat" shuffle. hmmm
HA!
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: JJeff - oh man, this was back in 1985 I guess. I think she opened with "Free Man In Paris", and then her hits, it was a long time ago. She had a great band, it was more Rock'n Roll more than the "Folk Rock" stuff people call her early music.
When the band did solos and more instrumental stuff, she was standing back, behind, smoking cigs.
Lars - you were there, do you remember?
User: jjeff--on the home stretch | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Tones: You're just sooooo demanding the first thing in the morning. Disuss, ignore ,ridicule, castrate,... will it never end. How about the Pretenders debut album? Does it have a name? It's got the punk sensibility, AND you can tap your feet to it. I've considered it the best debut album of all time.
lcpaul: Candy is/was touring with Rod Stewart this summer. Saw her/him at Hyde Park this summer. Great talent and plays a good sax too!
Clas: I'm green, man. You saw Joni! Do you remember what the set list was?
Now I know work is getting to me. Nightmares about kids( specimens) getting in my house(lab) and no-one specific(the 2 slackers I work with) was looking after them. They weren't my kids, but they were in my house and I couldn't get rid of them. They kept coming!!! I had this dream before, but just sussed it out this A.M. Is this grounds for stress leave?
See y'all next week.
User: Beerberian | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Dunc; Pretty safe to say The Electric Sitar only appears once ....Or does it ?
User: Duncan | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: someone mentioned FM a little way back.
I don't have
a copy so can't confirm this next statment...
I could swear i heard bongo's being played on it.
Strange i don't remember bongo's on any other tracks.
A much underated instrument.
I'd like bongo's on the new one please
Santa...
db
Any other instruments appearing only once ?
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Arlean - Joni Mitchell was my favourite back in the 70's, even a while into the 80's. I had just one chance to see her live - that was her "Wild Things Run Fast" tour with her then husband Klein, on Bass, and that drummer, Vinnie with the hard last name, Coiliuittia? Great show.
I figured the Paprika-song had something to do with her upgrowing "...sky oriented people", that album is great, haven't heard it in ages, got it on vinyl down at the country-house. Her days with Jaco Pastorious were great days.
I remember attending the press conference in Stockholm (-95), when she got the Polar Music Prize, I asked her how she came in contact with Jaco;
-I was searching for a bassplayer who could play on top of the music, as well as the ordinary basic stuff. Bassplayers I knew wouldn't play things I asked them to do, because it wasn't "hip". And some LA-musicians told me, "there's a weird guy in Miami, you're gonna like him".
When she was asked what she was going to do with the prize-money, she said:
-Ask my management, they're taking all my money (whispered, kind of).
User: Viking | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Heheheheehe-don't you remember the utter dross that was
being touted as music back then though? I mean, that's when George Michael and
that other ludicrous crossdressing George started their careers. The eighties
was piss, I was there, I saw it.
BTW - anyone heard Queens of the Stone Age?
Dave Grohl on drums - at least on there new song "No one knows" Check it out.
And another for all you thrashers out there - Disturbed with
"Prayer".MOSHMOSHMOSH
User: Beerberian with lace sleeves | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Viking; What ...You want us to cut a long story short ?
User: The Viking | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: No no no no no - stop it!! The eighties never happened as far as music was concerned - Please you lot, stop talkin about eighties music.
User: lcpaul | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: There was a female saxophonist who did a great cover of Average White Band's "Pick Up The Pieces", and I can't remember her name. Ah yes, Candy Dulfer (sp?), suddenly remembered. Anyone heard it?
Mol - thanks, I'm pretty good hon. Thanks for the e-mail.
User: Beerberian breaking glass | Month: 10 | Day: 8
Message: Dunc; Hazel O Connor Track is "Will You" Wesley McCoogan on sax ....The best ever!!!!
User: Resident Poltergeist | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: My favorite right now sax solo is on Janie Runaway. What fun!
User: duncan | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: 80's sax...
has to be hazel 0'connor
stay
User: Lisa G | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: AAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
I can't believe it's been so long!!!!!!! Just checked in on the BlueBook, and had to come here, too. Life has been crazy busy for me and DaddyG, but we're great. (Well except for the fact that the Yankees lost in the post season. :( )
How in blazes is everyone?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
BadSneakers-still in Italy, love? I had the chance to see the Breckers live about 10 years ago. ItsBynReel has to be one of my all-time favs.
Check in people, when you can. Miss you all.
Hogs and quiches,
Lisa G
User: More Sax! | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Yes "Sad cafe' Was very good..
gmb
but what do I know (plenty)
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: 80's sax: There's a guy named Lenni (no last name) who laid down some nice lines on the Sad CafT eponymous album (ca. 1981), which is more consistent and jazzier than the better selling Misplaced Ideals (about 1978?) which had the hit Run Home Girl. The lead singer was the other Paul Young, who was in Mike + the Mechanics. Passed away a couple years ago succumbing to a heart attack...not bad pipes...
User: ooh, ooh, Miss-ter Pot-terrrr! | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Best 80's sax? China Crises' Flaunt the Imperfection album... produced by that Becker guy...
User: Luckless Pedestrian at home | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: jjeff - i do laugh, otherwise i'd be more nuts than i am
best 80's sax? - aja, how could you forget "who can it be now" by men at work - it's a classic
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Bill: "Candidates should be given a certain amount of time on public television to air" Sounds good, but TV and radio are public airways. That violates the first ammendment. Sorry.
fezo: Isn't the limit on indivudal hard money contributions $2500? That's
why everybody went to the soft money, special interest trough...
Mr. Stewart..sorry to hear that. Teacher's salaries in the public schools
on average in Texas are fairly high when compared to the cost of living...except
in the Austin area, where the cost of living is higher - since your in the hill
country - you may be near, I don't know...
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Bill: "Candidates should be given a certain amount of time on public television to air" Sounds good, but TV and radio are public airways. That violates the first ammendment. Sorry.
fezo: Isn't the limit on indivudal had money contributions $2500? That's
why everybody went to the soft money, special interest trough...
Mr. Stewart..sorry to hear that. Teacher's salaries in the public schools
on average in Texas are fairly high when compared to the cost of living...except
in the Austin area, where the cost of living is higher - since your in the hill
country - you may be near, I don't know...
User: t | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Hmmmm... "Night Ride Home,"... "Naked Ride Home"...
Who's stalking who?
I'm surprised he didn't call it "Don Juan's Careless Son"...
or "Bluer"...
heh heh...
Hey W1P... I agree, though I wasn't a huge fan, Skynyrd belongs in the RRHoF as much as Tom Petty does... but don't forget the Allman's did a lot of the genre pioneering work before Skynyrd...
What's that smell?
Btw... just listened to Dark Side for the first time in about 20 years... have you done the Wizard of Oz sync with it? What'd ya think? Hey... I just thought of a thread for everyone to ignore...
I would consider Dark Side of the Moon to be the "Sgt. Pepper" of the 70's... but is there an equivalent album for the 80's, 90's, and so on? I'm thinking in terms of overall excellence and timelessness. I could be convinced that the Nightfly, or Nirvana's Nevermind could be the 80's equivalent, but so far I haven't thought of anything for the 90's...
discuss, ignore, scroll, ridicule... at your leisure...
User: Mr. Stewart | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Least favorite sax solo: The ending of the "Citizen" version of FM. A bit too masturbational, plus it took out Walter's wailing solo. The middle sax solo in the same tune is classic. I dig Illinois Elohainu's solo on Countermoon.
Have a mom at school who wants to have her child taken out of my class
because there aren't enough Anglos in there. Gee, I wonder if she voted for
Sanchez for Gov? The MEpublicans are in such good company. Up until now I
thought this was a pretty cool woman. She actually referred to one of my boys as
a "half-breed."
Another loser in town rides around in his jeep with monster
wheels with an "Islam Sucks" bumper sticker.
Well, Mu, time to fix my Ramen. Thanks, Rick. Thanks, W.
User: Aja.........where's my mini? | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: W1P-alright, if we're going 80's, I'll have to nominate the sax solo in "Rio" by (gasp) Duran Duran.
Aja
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Urgent was Junior Walker. I'm quite partial to The Big Man on Jungleland too. Also Never Say Never by Romeo Void rocks. Mirror in the Bathroom. Shine on You Crazy Diamond
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Naw the ultimate sax solo is on Urgent. Skynnard deserves a HOF ticket because, like it or not, they were pioneers in an entire genre "Southern Rock"
User: fezo | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: No one mentioned the Hall of Fame selections yet. I guess they became irrelevant once our heroes got in.
Next year's class:
Elvis Costello and The Attractions, The Clash, The Police, AC/DC (!), and the Righteous Brothers
Passed over for at least the third time is Lynyrd Skynyrd, which is a fucking
joke, especially when the likes of AC/DC start getting in. May all the
voters--assuming members are not part of that class--be booked on the same
charter flight as the next Democrat in a tight election
Bill: good points
about the lack of true campaign finance reform. Alas, even after 11/5, free
speech still protects the rights of individual donors to buy the politician (or
Party) of their choice.
I wonder if those donors of 156 million to Bush/Cheney this year alone are
expecting any payback
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Sax solos: FM, Deacon Blues and Dr.Wu by the Dan, Sonny
Rollins on God Bless the Child. Coltrane on Blue Trian ( or damn near anything
else he ever played) The same goes for Bird! He never did anything I didn't
like. David Sanborn on Pearls, He wails!
BB, You were the only one who
picked up on the self portrait! It's damn hard to paint a skinned rabbit in a
witch costume BTW. P is my friend. Of course I offered him my support.That's
what friends do. :) I'll get in a few bottles of Johnny Walker Red, Sweetie.
We'll have that drink and toast to better times. Give the little man a kiss for
me.
LcPaul, how are ya bud? fully recovered I hope. What are ya listeining to
these days?
Off to my furnace M
User: jjeff | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Lp:LOL You gotta laugh.
User: angel | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Hank: Yes, Bumpus for On the Dunes. I checked. :-)
Mu: While listening to Snowbound today, I was just grooving along to Walter's guitar solo, when I noticed that something is going on down in the mix. Sounds like maybe Donald saying stuff or something. 3:41 to 4:00 into the song. If you have time, can you give it a listen? No rush.
Interesting that Sax solos ended up on the Blue....
User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: jjeff - of course i went in! my 94 subaru legacy wagon with almost 200k miles on it rocks!
it all melted by noon anyway - lol/smirk - that ocean air i think gets to it
User: Bill | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Mu,
McCain/Feingold is a start, but it's only a start. True finance
reform
means removing ALL special interest money from political
campaigns and
banning all personal money also. Candidates should
be given a certain amount
of time on public television to air
thier views, AND THAT'S ALL. This way
even regular guys like
yourself might be able to hold office some day.
Man..., that's
a radical idea isn't it? Common people having a say in the
way
the system is run?
Nah..., never happen.
User: jjeff-I'll settle for stems and seeds. | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Lp: My dear, you couldn't have had to go to work in that mess of slush. It wouldn't have looked so pretty then.;-) We lost power 8:15 PM and it came on at noon today. I was on the road at 6:15 because the house was cold and I wanted a cup of heat, and the hospital has it's own generator. We got 15cm of HEAVY snow. I spun out twice on the main highway, which wasn't plowed yet, but retrieved both. It would have been a gas if I wasn't so tired. We fared better than the western side of the province over a foot of snow. No other traffic except the 2 SUV's laying in the ditch. JETTA'S RULE!!! That's without snowtires.
Tom: Nice piece from Berlin. Thanks.
Lars: I always thought the pre-game music indicated where the featured artists roots lay. It's usually not toe-tappin' stuff, it's true, but usually interesting.
Happy Birthday, Joni. You yellow fingered smoky girl. Any chance of a tour?
Could someone e-mail me a joint for tomorrow night?
User: arlean | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message:
Mmmmmm, speaking of Joni Mitchell, today is her 59th birthday!
Clas, it was simply called "Night Ride Home", another great album. And it's Paprika Plains, a reference to the prarie lands she grew up in Canada on when the sun hit them just right.
We all know she had some of the greats play on all of her albums. And she didn't need boobs to attract them. I think it was called intelligence and talent. The list could go on and on. She's got an excellent drummer now, Brian Blade. But her days with Jaco are some of my favorite exchanges. Shadows and Light is one of the best concert videos ever made.
New album out on the 17th.
Heard her and Willie signing Cool Water a few minutes ago on my afternoon ride home.
.......so happy birthday Joan.
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: According to the LA Weekly, MK is playing 14 Below on Thursday, November 14 as part of Stanley Recordings night. This is news to me (and I'm loosely affliated with Stanley Recordings as they are my partners in the "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd" album). Nevertheless, if its true, MK will be on the bill with "Fair Forgery" artists Yortoise (who will be offering "Money"), The Danny Allen Band (whose former band Harvette recorded a great "Bike"), and Sally Semrad (who has recorded a wonderful version of "Wish You Were Here").
Now, I had heard Jeff of Stanley and MK discussing the possibility of this show and that MK might come on his own or with some or all of MKB, that he might play a solo set and/or sit in with the other "Stanely" or "Fair Forgery" artists but this was all very preliminary and I heard nothing more til I opened up the LA Weekly today. MK has nothing on his website about this 11/14 gig. In any event, if it does materialize, it should be very interesting because the Stanley artists, though extremely high quality and talented, come at this whole music thing from a different angle than many of the folks MK has tended to play with in the past.
I will try to confirm what's going on and get back to ya'all.
User: Blue Ronald a la Turk | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: The Blue Board has a post from earlier today with a summary of Phil Woods' upcoming dates and points beyond. Mentions the Eaton Jazz Festival and others gigs too. Also an amazing story about Walter and Donald getting back together in 1992.
Clas is right. Shorter played on Mitchell's Don Juan. That album doesn't get the credit it deserves.
Blue Ron
User: Hank Silvers | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Sax solo: many great ones, but Phil Woods gets extra credit for doing it in one take. In the "homepage" link above is the URL of a story from my area newspaper with some quotes from him.
angel: I believe Cornelius Bumpus played that solo on "On The Dunes."
Midnite: Keep those photos coming -- I like them.
St.Al: Just avoid Neons...but then, you already knew that.
I recall that when baseball voted to expand the playoffs in the early 1990's, the vote was 29-1 against, with Texas Rangers owner Bush the lone no vote. When it comes to making political statements in public, I try to steer clear of such foolishness -- on this issue, though, I agreed with him.
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: ¦ - yeah, sure. Ha ha.
Ho ho.
And HEY, only 15% of those who were entitled to vote, voted. It's a shame it's a shame, it's a crying shame.
Hi Lars, again.
Am I totally wrong, but didn't Shorter do a cool solo on Joni Mitchells song "Paprika Plants" from Don Juans Reckless Daughter? Jaco on bass.
User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: MC - yep, that was me - it was really hallowing yesterday, but the waves crashing on the shore in the sleet was so beautiful and humbling - the snow fall from the sun porch is very soothing as well - i'm so lucky to be here
this morning - crisp cool air and sun, further nourished from the snowfall - i thought the air was cleaner than massachusetts and then the snow "took it up a notch"
sax solo - dr wu, hands down, if i only get one
on the tape - yes on blue rondo ala turk
i'd also add a little joe jackson (sunday papers perhaps), anything mark
knopfler/dire straits, and some coltrane, al green maybe....hmmmm
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: H: y'know come to think of it, the sax (Bob Sheppard I think) on the Walter produced Vincent's Ear from the Michael Franks' Blue Pacific album reminds me a little of of 2nd sax solo on So What...
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Bill: I thought the McCain-Feingold thing went into effect yesterday. Please elaborate...or not...
C: Browne's singing now sounds like early Zevon...he's improving after a
long slump
Blue Rondo a la Turk - That one is just the greatest. Love the whole
structure - great math...
Howard: That's one good thing about the election - We and the UN are now
a *serious* 800lb gorilla - there indeed is a chance he'll back down...Saddam
only know weakness and power...
One of the things I've noticed about the Aja sax solo is how Shorter
"anticipates" what's coming up on the keys and Gadd's drums and leads the
listener there. True, he heard the rest of the track prior to giving it a go,
but to precede the moment rather than to simply live in the moment is the sign
of real genius...
User: Lars | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Hi Clas - Agrees with Beerberian - Jackson Browne's new one is fantastic. Seconds to Late for the sky.
L
User: 110010010010100101 | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: A dirty motor with London plates
Sitting in the
gutter outside your gates
Vic and Ray, Vic and Ray
Come to daddy baby, What is it worth?
Come to daddy baby, the scum of the
crying earth
Vic and Ray, Vic and Ray
Laughing at each others pain
They run the heater in the morning
rain
This'll pay the rent around the world
Wanna buy a picture of a girl?
Christmas morning, there they are
Two rent boys wishing on a shining
star
Vic and Ray, Vic and Ray...
100100101Knopfler1010010011
User: Howard | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message:
Favourite Steely Dan Sax solos:
I love what Chris Potter does throughout 2VN, including the WOH solo, but I don't think I'd pick this as one of my faves. As with Walter's guitar, many of Potter's best moments seem to be the little fills etc that come in the intros or fade-outs, rather than the solos. The "squawking" etc that starts off Two Against Nature I particularly like.
So, fave Dan sax solos: Dr Wu (Phil Woods) - just great. Phrasing, structure, dynamics - it's all there.
Wayne Shorter's solo in Aja also must be mentioned. A great example of a case where less is more. There's so much going on in the track at this point, a busy sax solo just wouldn't work. The long held notes, simple repeated phrases, and occasional faster flourishes work superbly.
Another great example of Shorter using space for great effect (and a neat link to the non-Dan sax solos) is his soprano solo on Joni Mitchell's Cherokee Louise. He plays so few notes, yet manages to say so much with them.
I'll also second Aja's Paul Desmond vote (Brubeck's Blue Rondo a la Turk).
I also love the second sax solo in Miles' So What. I'm pretty sure this is Coltrane, and the way it changes the mood and feel of the tune in a flash amazes me every time.
Any of Charlie Parker's early stuff also does it for me.
Looks like the UN Iraq resolution is (finally) about to be agreed.
Inspectors could be getting to work in Iraq within a week or two.
Not sure how things will progress from here though. I have a sneaky feeling that Saddam will try something to delay or restrict the inspectors' access. He knows that if he does that, there will be more arguing in the UN and things could easily be held up for another month or two. If it then seems that the US are about to go their own way, outside of the UN (perhaps with support from the UK), and Saddam sees an attack on the horizon, he'll probably give in again. "Of course you can come and inspect! Sorry for the misunderstanding!".
He might even play this game a few times, delaying, watching the UN get caught up in long arguments, then giving in at the last minute when attacks are imminent.
What I hope is that the UN is able to come to agreement QUICKLY about what action to take if Saddam starts this kind of tactic. They need to decide soon, and come down hard on him. If they don't (and I'm not convinced they will...) I worry about the consequences of US action that doesn't have UN backing.
Howard
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Beerb - Feb/Mar? Great, that means he probably touring Scandinavia too.
User: Beerberian doin his 9 - 5 | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Bad S; Resent latest news ....
Dunc; One comin your way too
Clas; What he stole from Kurosawa he bequeathed to Peckinpah ..... nice BUT Giuseppe Verdi's "La Forza Del Destino" what's that all about then ?? lol ....... Mr B Tours here in Feb/Mar but without Mr Petty I fear, Tickets approx ú40 too
User: weird site of the day..... | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: link above.
it's a joke right ?
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: Beerb - his Companion, that's his cat. I like Casino Nation and the Sergio Leone tribute a lot. And the title track. Wonder if that is a kind of kick in the ass to miss Joni Mitchell? Didn't she name an album "The Night Ride Home"?
...
Hi Lars!
...
I watched the Late Nite with Zevon last night. Heavy shit. But I can't say I am impressed with his music.
...
Mr Stewart - did you forget? Making a comment like "Bush screw up Texas" makes us have to scroll for almost a week.
User: Bad Sneakers | Month: 10 | Day: 7
Message: BB - No message as yet - Resend if poss ??
Dano - send me a mail about next Friday ???
Sax solos ? OK try:-
Aja - wayne Shorter - in fact try any Wayne Shorter
Mike Brecker -
itsbynne reel - in fact try any Mike Brecker
John Coltrane - Giant steps etc
etc
Lester Young, Bird, Chris Potter. Jan Garbarek,
I still love Dr Wu solo - In fact try any Steely Dan
Over and out
User: Bill | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Mu,
Speaking as an Independent voter, all I can say is that this is
the time
for the Republican party to put up or shut up. There's
nothing to stop them
from passing a REAL CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM
BILL.
The amount of money that was spent by both parties during this
election
cycle is apalling. How can an average person take part
in a system like this?
How can an elected official, whether
Democrat or Republican, truly do the
right thing once elected when
so many monetary strings are attached?
If the Republicans want to truly impress me, and show me that they
really
believe in what they say, they'll pass a real campaign finance
reform bill.
If they do that I'll be a true believer.
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: MC: That's fine - it'll cost us '04 then. He is, well, plain spoken to say the least, but they still don't give away Harvard MBAs. Heads I see are rolling - but I expect Bill and Hillary are setting up a stealth campaign as is Gephardt...
Mr. Stewart. Good to see you again
Under Anne Richards I received NO RAISES for 4 years in a row as a state employee attempting to educate the masses. Under el shrubo I averaged 7.5%. Under Perry it's 2.3%. I think that pretty much speaks for itself. I was in favor of Bush remaining governor (go back to the archives if your really bored to late 1999, whatevah)...
Before our Bill goads himself to a critical mass, or the limibic systems of our ultra-left friends here fall off, we should keep in mind a few things. Yes, the GOP now does control the Senate committees. This means that bill proposals can no longer be blocked for committee vote as Daschle was doing and will now be sent to the body of the Senate.
HOWEVER, the first order of business then is to propose that a vote be held for a bill up in the Senate at all. In other word, they have to vote on whether to have a vote FIRST, before the actual vote. While the dizzying pretzel logic of this is something out of the Caucus Race from Alice in Wonderland, the Founding Fathers (Madison and Hamilton mostly) designed this set of check and balances (in other words roadblocks) to make sure that (a) the Federal government does not impose tyrranical will on the people and (b) for the US gov't to survive incompetent Congresses and Presidents (and we've had some practice over the past almost 214 years since the beginning of Washington's first term. It takes SIXTY YEA votes just to bring a bill up for full Senate debate and vote. It's kind of a political triage. Thus if the GOP stays at 51, they MUST convince NINE Democrats including Jeffords to go along, just so the full Senate can debate and VOTE on the bill.
The Constitutional purpose is to limit Federal power by making it slow as molasses except under a state of emergency. Rather squabbling than in a dinabol power rage like Newt in '94. The House initially passes appopriation bills, but the Senate is the 800 lb gorilla bouncer. On top of that any individual Senator can grind proceedings to a halt with the dreaded FILIBUSTER, the political equivalent of a jawbreaker. Any Senator such as Robert Byrd who can go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on an on and on and on and on and on...can stop a bill, if the rest of the Senate just says Fuck It and goes on to the next bill. I'm not familiar with the fine details upon which conditions a filibuster can be started, but it's a way for a party to assign and enforcer role to a willing member.
Therefore, one can easily see that a handful of moderate Democrats and fewer moderate Republicans will determine what gets through the congressional Moria's Gate. Those moderate Democrats in play are usually the "Blue Dog" Democrats of the South. Thus the John Breauxs (remember him - he disappeared off the radar screen 18 months ago), the Zell Millers, the Mary Landrieus (if she wins the runoff in Dec), the Robert Ford Jr's (who could be the first black President) etc. now have the decision making power to stop or move billis towards the President's desk. John Edwards (the other non-psychic who was king of the ambulance chasers) could have been the point, but unfortunately for him, he spent his spotlight captial yammering about not much the last 12 months on a proliferation of pundit proferrings...
User: Mr. Stewart | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: I have risen from the dust of the TX hill country, (only
to get my pecker knocked to the dirt by last night's results). Hello all.
It's
been a while since I've checked in. The redneck politics here have worn
real thin. As Molly Ivins said last week (concerning the
candidates): "We're
down to the stems and seeds again." How true, Midnight, about His Fraudulency. I
am speechless that he's
gotten where he has. I am without speech. I recommend
Ivin's book, "Shrub," for a look at how he screwed this state up as Gov.
and, prior to that, how he failed miserably as a businessman yet came out
smelling like a damn yellow rose.
So we have the party of the Christian
Coalition in full power. Onward, Christian soldiers (and don't let the door hit
you on the ass
on your way out).
StAl: Have you been to a Phil Lesh and Friends show? Caught them in Austin a few months back and holy shit. Amazing.
'slater
Mr. Stewart
User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: ¦ .... "We keep thinking Bush is an idiot"....and for good reason....he is! You only have to listen to the man talk and he removes all doubt....and it's not a question of being a good public speaker, all you have to do is observe and Bush exposes just how dim-witted he is....I think after these next two years of Republican control that not only will we see a Democrat in the White House after the 2004 elections, we may well see a total shift in both the House and the Senate and have Democratic control of Congress and the Presidency...."what a wonderful world it would be....what a glorious time to be free". : )
lp....On CNN today, they were showing parts of Maine with Gale force winds and up to 12" of snow....hope that wasn't you already!
Thanks to all who had kind words about the Dark Autumn photo....here's another if you'd like to see it:
http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/RedMaple.jpg
or click the Homepage link at the top of this post.
well, I'm between two 12 hour shifts so I'll see y'all in a couple of days.
MC
User: AP | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: CINCINNATI (AP) -- Cincinnati Bengals football practice was delayed nearly two hours today after a player reported finding an unknown white powdery substance on the practice field. The head coach immediately suspended practice while police and federal investigators were called to investigate. After a complete analysis, FBI forensic experts determined that the white substance unknown to players was the goal line. Practice was resumed after special agents decided the team, with seven losses this season, was unlikely to encounter the substance again.
User: ¦ - or you'll lose that beat | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: angel: I think the WoH solo is too short ;-)
St. Al: I agree. I am confident enough in my manhood to drive not just one, but TWO 4 cylinder vehicles ;-0. The gold Corolla is my ride to and from the day gig and for errands...purrs just like a Kamakiriad - haven't tried lettuce in the tank, but doesn't use much petrol. This part of Texas is fairly flat (yes there are a few areas that are hilly - Austin, north San Antonio, Big Bend, Davis Mountains, and the piney woods of far east Texas), so the white Dodge Caravan is a good underpowered family vehicle....
SUV's were originally designed as (a) fancy jeeps for yuppies and (b) are reverse engineered over truck chasses and engines for a macho flavor. Detroit and later Japan used this truck design to do an end-around the EPA laws for gas mileage. There's no demand or law for the vehicles to have decent mileage...
For comfort and to help the soccer moms peer over the freeway scape and to park, the SUVs were propped up high with a narrow width between left and right tires. This does 2 things: It (a) raises the center of gravity and (b) reduces the stable base. This makes it easy for an off center force (i.e., going around a curve) to creat Torque, the ability to rotate or roll objects. The high center of gravity and large mass (inertia) also cause large sideways forces across the tires, also when going around cruvers. These are called shear forces (chopping forces like an ax) and the ones that separate the tread from the body of the rubber. Thus SUVs are mechanically susceptible to rollovers and tire blowouts, which is backed by voluminous statistics.
Having said that, I can't tell you how quickly I traded the Firestone tires
for Michelins 2 years ago, even for the van which is nice and wide...
User: xxxx | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: ooooooooo jenny-bit of PMT is it? hehehehehehehehehe
User: Beerberian antipodean baiter | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Clas; humbled as I am ...... You r right !! (no hate) I do think that this is THE best JB presentation of all AND it has slide geeeeeetarrrr on it.. Mr Browne excels lyrically as usual BUT the musical whole is just so Complete!! on this one.... My Stunning Mystery Companion BUT the spag western take is a cracker AND bequeath...TIC ??? do ya think. About My Imagination is a Temps homage ?
Moll; I got your Witch -- self portrait.. Damn good Madamme Hooch ???? AND Paul was touched by your mail He IS comin' through this ......Pour us all a large one ......no ice.......if you break through that shell it would suit you so well ...bluz lol
Dunc; Spoke to our boy .... HE WILL survive I am sure ... we will all meet in the temple of the magic axe again soon ....
Now IMD off to defeat the confict usurpers of the noble game ..... Waugh !!! what is he good 4 ?
User: Bill@CheerUpYouDemocrats | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: It's sad really...
Seeing all these dyed in the wool
members of the democratic party
hanging thier heads as if the world had went
to hell and gone.
You'd think the end wasn't merely near but had already
come.
But listen you Democrats, all is not lost. Brighter days are ahead
for
you! You see, now that the Republican party controls the
entire government of
the United States, EVERYTHING THAT GOES
WRONG FROM NOW ON WILL BE BLAMED ON
THEM.
By the time the next presidential election comes around, the
Democratic
party will have so much ammunition that we're likely
to have Clinton/Gore
presidency all over again, with Hillary at
the helm of course...
So don't be sad. What goes around comes around, and around, and
around
again. Just sit back and the Republican party will give
you all you need to
kick them out of power in 2004.
Of course then it will be your turn to enact policies that will
get your
party kicked out of office. Ain't the 2-party system grand?
User: Aja.......over the hump | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Finally came to me: Gigi Gryce-"Blues in Bloom".
The small SUV's (Honda CRV, Toyota Rav4, Ford Escape, Subaru Forrester) are great. I love mine-plenty of room to hold all my sports equipment (including bicycle without removing the front tire), drives and parks like a car (one space is plenty), decent gas mileage. Not to mention it's fun to ride up high!
Aja
User: StAl | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Sax solo? West of Hollywood. END OF STORY.
Mu: America's love affair with the SUV must stop -- I agree. The problem is Detroit keep pumping these things out because they say they're only giving us what we want. It's probably true. I wonder if people consider this when they step into the Lincoln dealership and plunk down their cash on a fancy new Navigator. Those fucking things should be illegal.
And here I sit in the ultimate example of hypocrisy. My wife drives a Dodge Ram Truck with the V10 engine. However, we actually use the truck for it's intended purpose -- heavy hauling (Camper/boat). Furthermore, the thing stays parked whenever possible. After almost 5 years it has less than 40K miles. We went to the extent and expense of trading out of my 2 year old Eurovan and into a slightly used Passat. This move alone saves us almost $50 a month is gasoline. Sure, it isn't nearly as convenient as the Eurovan, but enough is enough... As soon as we can we'll purchase a commuter car and park the truck permanent-like.
StAl
User: Jennifer | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Just drop it, Molly. I didn't say anything about your
ass....what's wrong? Not getting
enough attention lately? Does it always
have to be about YOU YOU YOU ?
User: tones '02 | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: St. Al - dude! Thanks for the overwhelming offer of hospitality. I hope to be able to take you UP on that offer someday soon. I don't think it's in the cards for me this year though. This has been a hard year for us here art the store and I think it would be wise for me to stay close to home, especially when the retail wars break out here in December. But mega thanks! on the positive side, I've found out that PG's playing another show closer to home (for me) the next night in San Jose, not that I'll be able to afford a ticket... lol. I'll just have to squeeze every moment of pleasure I can out of the Oakland show...
Snakie! - How's it going? What's this about you getting your post-election life back? Does that mean we can go to the beach now?
jjeff, ICpaul - I feel *really* lame. I just happened to notice PG's face *last night* after owning the cd *and* seeing it at work everyday for two months! I was staring at the cover and his face came into focus... kinda scared me a little... There's so much more to that disc than meets the eye and ear immediately. I'm still finding things musically too I've missed before... deep...
Now... so I can get off of Aja's @#%$ list... my top releases of '02, so far... in no particular order:
Arto Lindsey - Invoke (Brazillian/Porteguese/New York art rock... sexy, smoldering grooves. The most vastly underappreciated album of '02, just like his previous one (Prize) was the most vastly underappreciated album of '99)
Weather Report - live (just amazing...)
Space Monkeys vs. Gorillaz - (dub version of the Gorillaz album, and to me, the best dub reggae album of '02. Huge amounts of space...)
Cracker - Forever (usually unjustly forgotten on best of lists because they usually put out their cd's in January... but I've been playing it all year. The world's best bar band.)
Bowie - Heathen (sounds like a sampler of every style he's worn since Space Oddity and songs as good as any of his "classics"... like I always tell everybody... he never lost it, he just put it away for a while...)
Peter Gabriel - Up (like they use to say about the Grateful Dead: not just the best at what he does... the only one who does what he does. The man is a master of rhythm and mood.)
Zero 7 - simple things (smooth groove chill out future soul... and I liked it even *before* I found out Gillian Anderson likes it too)
Elvis Costello - When I was Cruel (the *real* "King of Pop"... and he doesn't feel the need to remind us of it or have extensive plastic surgery)
Nashville Pussy - Say Something Nasty (because as Americans... ok, Humans, it is our inalienable right to get stoopid drunk and rock like motherf#$kers. In fact, how can you not like a song called "Keep On Fuckin"? Btw, sounds like AC/DC meets Skynard in a strip bar... with a woman rockin' the guitar with a sense of purpose.)
Jeez... this turned into quite the list, and I haven't even done the honorable mentions...
while I'm in the recommending mode, I saw THE MOST IMPORTANT MOVIE EVER MADE the other night, and no it wasn't Amistad. It's called Bowling for Columbine. Please do yourself a favor and see this movie. I truly believe this movie should be required viewing in every history class in America, and it's not a stuffy documentary; it's entertaining AND informative. And scary. And sad. And just one of the small things I took away from it is that Canada is a very, very, *very* cool and civilised place. If only it didn't snow there...
ok ok... sorry for the excessive verbage...
pieces
t
User: angel | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Mu: For me it is definitely Chris Potter on West of
Hollywood.
I also love Phil Woods on Dr. Wu and the sax that turns up near
the end of On the Dunes (I forget who is playing it).
Been listening to that Gaucho Demo today and definitely have a new appreciation for the drumming going on. Porcaro didn't have it easy on that cut, that's for sure.
User: Aja......actually working | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Paul Desmond-"Blue Rondo a la Turk", or something like that. You know the one.
John Klemmer "Touch"
Stan Getz-anything.
Gigi Gryce-title unknown, on a CD compilation someone gave me, so you'll just have to trust me that it's great.
Aja
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Deacon Blues is pretty damn good: Christlieb? not Scott is it?
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Hey folks! What are your favorite sax solos (Dan or not to Dan)? Since we know that Sax is now banned from the radio now and has been replaced of course by virgin "sex"...
Chris Potter - Janie Runaway
John Klemmer - Caves of Altamira
John Coltrane - Flamenco Sketches (alternate take) from Kind of Blue (Walter's favorite Steely Dan album)
Phil Woods - Dr Wu
Branford Marsalis - Love Stone (from Renaissance)
Joe Henderson - Escapade (from Our Thing). OK, he doubles up with Kenny Dorham a lot on this song and throughtout the album so it's not really a solo...but the cool thing is how he and Dorham play like there's a Vulcan mind meld between them... and some of the album sounds suspiciously like 60s cop show music, but you should hear what they are blowin'...
User: Aussie | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Malcolm: "Aus: so does that mean that Mary Hoowanna is
going up in price? damn!!!!
ygk "
Is this in reference to the FOMC decision or are you confusing me with whomever that Petre charactre is?
Aus
User: Petre Parkre | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: All of this for lipstick? This world's coming to a screeching halt.
BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (AP)--Actress Winona Ryder was convicted Wednesday
of
stealing more than $5,500 worth of high-fashion merchandise from a Saks
Fifth
Avenue store last year.
The jury found Ryder guilty of felony grand
theft and vandalism, but acquitted
her of burglary.
Ryder, 31, twice an
Academy Award nominee, was calm and showed no emotion. She
kept her eyes
trained on the jurors as they were asked whether the verdicts
were accurate.
They said yes.
The conviction carries a maximum sentence of three years in
state prison, but
Ryder could receive as little punishment as probation.
Sentencing was set for
Dec. 6.
She whispered to her attorney, Mark
Geragos, took a drink of water and looked
briefly toward her supporters in
the audience.
The one count on which she was acquitted required a specific
intent to go into
Saks Fifth Avenue to deprive the store of property.
District attorney's
spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons said jurors often believe
burglary is a crime of
breaking and entering, but it doesn't require those
circumstances.
"We're gratified with the verdicts," Gibbons said.
Ryder
was arrested Dec. 12, 2001, as she left the Beverly Hills Saks store,
her
arms laden with packages.
The prosecution told the jury that Ryder came to
Saks with larceny on her
mind, bringing shopping bags, a garment bag and
scissors to snip security tags
off items.
"She came, she stole, she left.
End of story," Deputy District Attorney Ann
Rundle said in her closing
argument. "Nowhere does it say people steal because
they have to. People
steal out of greed, envy, spite, because it's there or for
the
thrill."
Jurors were shown videotape of Ryder moving through the store laden
with
goods, and Saks security workers testified that after she was detained,
she
apologetically told them a director had told her to shoplift to prepare
for a
movie role.
Her attorney denounced the security guards as liars even
before the trial
began.
At the start of her shopping trip, she paid more
than $3,000 for a jacket and
two blouses. The defense said Ryder believed the
store would keep her account
"open" while she shopped and would charge her
later. But there was no evidence
of an account.
In closing arguments
Monday, defense attorney Mark Geragos suggested that the
store, trying to
avoid a lawsuit, conspired with employees to invent a story
that would make
Ryder appear to be a thief and vandal.
Geragos ridiculed the charge that
Ryder vandalized merchandise by cutting
holes in clothes when removing the
security tags.
"This woman is known for her fashion sense," he said. "Was she
going to start
a new line of 'Winona wear' with holes in it?"
He carried a
hair bow that she allegedly had stolen over to her, placed it on
her head and
said, "Can anyone see Ms. Ryder with this on top of her head? Does
that make
sense?"
Settlement talks between the defense and prosecution failed, but just
before
trial the district attorney's office agreed to dismiss a drug charge
after a
doctor said he had given her two pills that were found in her
possession when
she was arrested.
The 12-member jury included several
people with Hollywood connections, among
them producer Peter Guber, head of
Mandalay Entertainment and a former head of
Sony Entertainment
Pictures.
The town raised a collective eyebrow at the inclusion of Guber, who
presided
over Sony when three successful Ryder films were made
there.
Ryder has made some two-dozen films since 1986, including
"Beetlejuice,"
"Heathers," "Mermaids," "Little Women," "The Age of
Innocence," "Edward
Scissorhands," "Bram Stoker's Dracula," "Reality Bites"
and "Mr. Deeds."
She received her Academy Award nominations for "Little
Women" (best actress)
and for "The Age of Innocence" (supporting
actress).
Ryder was raised by parents who were part of the counterculture
revolution in
the 1960s. Her godfather was LSD guru Timothy Leary.
In
1993, Ryder posted a $200,000 reward in the kidnap-murder case of
a
12-year-old girl, Polly Klaas, in Petaluma, Calif., where the actress grew
up.
When Ryder was charged with shoplifting, Polly's father, Mark, came to
legal
proceedings to support her.
In recent years, Ryder has been featured
frequently in fashion magazines. Her
delicate beauty and waiflike persona
were on display at the trial along with a
wardrobe of appropriate trial
clothes - dark sweaters and skirts, soft dresses
and, on the climactic day of
closing arguments, a cream silk suit with a
pleated skirt and short jacket.
(END) DOW JONES NEWS 11-06-02
03:29 PM- - 03 29 PM EST 11-06-02
User: . | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Wynona Ryder is GUILTY! G-A-S-P!
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Lp, babycakes... I did take Chip's advice into
consideration. This person would have something nasty to say anyways. I suspect
that whoever wrote that in the Blue Book also posts under the names; Love Is A
Fist and Fred, and lest we forget WEber. As I told Chip and Aja, the men I flirt
with know it's a sign of my affection for them. We're just buds. They know I'm
not serious. Furthermore, I've never been lewd. There is only one man that I
want to be with. It's been that way since I first met him. Thanks though for
your message. M
BB, did ya get my e-mail card thingy? My PC is screwed up big
time. I don't know what is getting to it's destination.... it's a mess!
User: Dano | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Sneeks , Nov 15th to 18th , i may be in my head office on the Friday which is in Finchley?? Where are you sneekin aboot on that day??
Dano.
User: TO WEBER | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: It's strange that you and Jennifer are the only people
here concerned with my ass...how big my butt is est... Since you are so
interested in my butt, why don't you KISS IT.
Molly
User: Dano | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: lcpaul , Spot on mate "Live In Europe" 1972 with a great 7 minute version of Messin With The Kid.I lost the album a long time ago and always wanted it back , so got the shrapnell out. Talking of Robin Trower , my brother still has Bridge Of Sighs on Vinyl , bit scratched after all these years but he still blasts it when he is having a blow.
Hopefully a mini Danfest Thursday if i can catch up with Cyn.
Cheers Dano.
User: YGK | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Aus: so does that mean that Mary Hoowanna is going up in price? damn!!!!
ygk
User: Aja..........depressed | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: lp-I was hoping you'd post after the election. I need someone to commiserate with. What's up Minnesota and NJ? What the f&#*?????
Tom F.-great post. Now how can we pound that into President Bush's thick skull?
Thanks for all the music suggestions, everyone! Can't wait to try them out.
Aja
User: PP | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: It gets bettre....
(MORE) DOW JONES NEWS 11-06-02
01:22 PM- - 01 22 PM EST
11-06-02
Ashcroft said the four men in Houston had been charged with a plot
to deliver
$25 million worth of weapons to the United Self-Defense Forces of
Colombia, a
paramilitary group on the State Department's foreign terrorist
list, estimated
by Colombian police to be responsible for 804
assassinations.
The attorney general said the four tried to purachase five
shipping containers
full of Eastern European-made weapons, including
shoulder-fired anti-aircraft
missiles and about 53 million rounds of various
kinds of ammunition, 9,000
assault rifles and almost 300,00 grenades.
(MORE) DOW JONES NEWS 11-06-02
01:28 PM- - 01 28 PM EST 11-06-02
User: Petre Parkre | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Hey....why the hell not?
NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft said Wednesday
that
four men had been charged in Houston in a drugs-for-weapons scheme
involving
Colombian terrorists and three others indicted in San Diego for
conspiring to
trade heroin for anti-aircraft missiles to be sold to al-Qaida
forces in
Afghanistan.
In a nationally televised press conference in
Washington, Ashcroft said "the
war on terrorism has been joined with the war
on illegal drug use."
(MORE) DOW JONES NEWS 11-06-02
01:22 PM- - 01 22 PM EST 11-06-02
User: Lars | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: on the cassette, I mean.
User: Lars | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Hi y' all
Tom F : well spoken!
Speaking of optimism and the American spirit; I want to address a less serious problem - the lack of sensitive "pre-game" activities when Dan plays live. Some years ago I complained about the lousy music before the concerts - at least in Europe. I work now and then at a US university and have had the pleasure to attend a lot of pre-game activities to football games. Sometimes they run for a week and make it to a wonderful experience. Back to Dan -I read about the wing-dings in US but when entering the arena they played terrible music. Bad.
So, to me there are some classical pre-concert music events: Weather Report (late 70ies) used Ravel's "Bolero"/Yes (& Elvis!) "Also Sprach Zarathursta" (spelling?)/Stones 81 (Mick made the entire warm-up music cassette himself ending it with Ellington's "Take the A-train".
If there's gonna be another tour to promote the new one, the entire Dan community have a responsibility. Which tunes to pick? And, the last one?
L
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Beerberian - you don't have to HATE to agree with me, we're talking about Jackson, and that's not me.
User: bassinstinct | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: BB: Tell Morag from me: You can NEVER have too much.
Maybe not eh??
Anyhoo, hope you contact F. O.K.
The four piece will be gigging in Nottingham on Friday 15 November.
If you
want details, let me know.
User: Beerberian ??? Solutions Analyst | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Bass; Great to Hear I'll bell him tonite !!! I'm having trouble locating The jazz stuff ....Morag always says I have too many !!!!! I will find it and rip you a copy ......Any gig news yet ?
Dunc; here's one I wrote earlier lol it's called "Pseudo Ludo"
Lurking at the edge of revealing a feeling
Gathering the courage to
open up the soul
Really that difficult to opine some way appealing?
Cast a
thought, a comment, enthuse, with no toll
Risk the embarrassment, the ridicule in e space
Hide behind a pseudonym no
one will ever know
Cries out in freedom dares to show that cyber
face
Opens up that vein, slip sentiments afloat
Careful thoÆ hold back the inner that is you
They must never know a hint
of the real
TheyÆll guess the assumed has ring of true
The guards will
fall to reveal what you feel
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: lp: "when gas prices go through the roof, the economy continues to tank, civil rights get thrown out the window and it affects them personally, the united nations gives us the finger, and whatever scary shit occurs in the escalation of attacks/retaliation in the middle east, and taxes will go up to pay for everything and the days of balancing budgets are over"
That was exactly the problem - the Chicken Little strategy doesn't work
Here's what to do - present a problem - then a solution. One of the keys is to use the Clinton/Dick Morris evil genius strategy of triangulation - take away the other sides issues, so they have nothing. We keep thinking Bush is an idiot - and (s)triangulation is what he just did to us (education, compasionate conservative stuff, prescription drugs, etc). Granted he's not nearly as good at this as Clinton - ergo. Don't obstruct a la Daschle. Pass laws that take away his issues and take credit for them
(1) sputtering economy
(a) tax cut package
(b) capital gains
reduction
(c) R&D funding
(d) promote enterprise zones
(e) reduce
tarrifs Bush has imposed on Canada, etc
The key to reducing the deficit is for people to earn lots of money and gain captial so Uncle Sam can snag a share - if we're all working at McDonald's for double the minimum wage (i.e., Sweden) - the deficit in this country soars...Mathematically a large disappearance of the deficiet was the loss of earnings in the top 1% (it's an ugly truth) and Clinton cooking the books - we know now the recession started in the final quarter of 2000 just before the election...
(2) Homeland Security
(a) forget defending civil service idiots - do set
up wage & benefit packages
(b) demand new INS chief - propose specific
restrictions that let legals in - deport illegal aliens
(c) Get on Ashcroft's
case not about the Patriot act but the porous borders
(d) recommend that
specialized units of the military with local police patrol the borders
(3) Independence from Mideast Oil
(a) propose R&D $$ for fuel cells,
fusion, efficient machines
(b) tax breaks for conservation (solar and wind
power mathematically can't provide significant help expecit in West Texas as an
ancillary)
(c) drilling in Alaska - make it unionized
(e) buy more Russian
oil in exhange for cleaning up their Mafia
(4) Prime the pump for technology with job creating and education programs
it goes on and on...STEAL their issues -
Tom: It seems based on the voting yesterday that you are out of touch.
Clintons think they are royalty - the Euro aristocracy is full of recessive
gene, lead-brain, laden types - let them keep Bill
User: bassinstinct | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: StAl: Sorry - did not realise that.
BB: F. now back in circulation and am sure would appreciate a call.
Justin
Morrell did not arrive - did you get address OK?
Paul will update you on
current situ.
Hope you are both well. Cannot access my Address Book
on
Supanet at present, so cannot email you - hence the mistaken
previous
"Private" post. Ah, the ignorance of the newbie
eh??!!??
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Bass: Only I can view private messages. You might want to send him an email instead.
My Democrat won last night -- Jay Inslee. WOO HOO!
Bill: Shame shame
Aja: Here's some new stuff I'm listening to. Be careful. Weird shit below.
Foo Fighters: One By One
Pork Tornado: Pork Tornado
Mob Hits: Various
Aritists
Grateful Dead: 6/5, 6/6 1993
Tool: Lateralus
Disco Biscuits:
They Missed The Perfume
And
Anything/Everything but Jackson Browne's latest
StAl
User: bassinstinct | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: BB: Post 2924 marked Private is for your attention.
User: bassinstinct | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: BB: Paul is now back in circulation (funeral yesterday) and I am sure he would appreciate a call from you.
Justin Morrell CD not arrived - did you get the email with my address?
Sorry I could`nt access your personal email address, but I am temporarily frozen out of my Supanet Mailbox, so I cannot access my Address Book! Should be sorted soon though.
Paul can update you on the latest, meanwhile hope all is well with you and yours.
User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: molly - didn't you hear anything chips told you in chat - deep breathing exercises are in order
mu - did i hear the word "zoning ordinance"? hehehehehe, you should see theo ne i have now - can you say overkill? i have a hefty to-do list
well, the balance of power has shifted - the people have spoken - but i will love hearing these same people cry foul when gas prices go through the roof, the economy continues to tank, civil rights get thrown out the window and it affects them personally, the united nations gives us the finger, and whatever scary shit occurs in the escalation of attacks/retaliation in the middle east, and taxes will go up to pay for everything and the days of balancing budgets are over
this doesn't necessarily mean a definitve second term either - the republicans need to have a perfect record over the next year and half to ensure that
this midterm election shift hasn't happened since 1934, hmmmm
i like, in theory, having the house/senate majority be opposite of the president in terms of political party; however in my previous residence in the commonwealth of massachusetts it has caused stonewalling for the purpose, often, of spite only - it will be intriguing to see how this plays out -
will policies be established with better accuracy of addressing the needs and wants of the voting public assuming the shift means quicker consensus? or will the shift to the right mean excessive and hyper right wing attitudes in policies and laws that are not reflecting the moderate population of which is great in its numbers?
tune in january when everyone moves into their offices...
...but how could anyone NOT vote for Mondale? i mean carolina vote for libby out of guilt, why is there no guilt in minnesota (hey, that's a song...) and what was New Jersey thinking? come on, people!
User: Tom Friedman | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: You need to be logged in to read this so I thought I would post it even tho it is on the web.
BERLIN
If you think Germany is turning anti-American, pay attention to what happened here last month when the president visited Berlin. No, not President Bush ù President Clinton. Mr. Clinton, who helped unveil the refurbished Brandenburg Gate, was swarmed as Germans clamored to see, hear or shake hands with him. Elvis was in the house.
If Mr. Bush visited Germany today there would also be street riots ù the sort they use tear gas to control.
Why the difference? In fairness to Mr. Bush, it's partly because he had to order the bombing of Afghanistan, and may do the same in Iraq, and these are deeply controversial decisions on this increasingly pacifist Continent. It's much easier to love our presidents when they're not exercising our power. But there is also something deeper.
Bill Clinton is viewed by the world as the epitome of American optimism ù nanve optimism maybe, but optimism. And the Bush team ù the President, Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Condi Rice (Colin Powell is an exception) ù strike the world as cynical pessimists who believe only in power politics, much like 19th-century European statesmen. For the world, Bill Clinton is another J.F.K. and George Bush is another Thomas Hobbes, a man who, after witnessing Europe's religious wars, became deeply pessimistic about human nature and concluded that only one law prevailed in the world: Homo Homini Lupus ù every man is a wolf to every other man.
If I've learned anything from living abroad, it's that while other nations often make fun of or scoff at America's nanve optimism, deep down they envy that optimism and rue the day we would give it up and adopt the tragic European view of history. Because our optimism about human nature and its commitment to the rule of law, not just power, is the engine of the modern West. It is also a huge source of U.S. strength and appeal ù the soft power that comes from technologies, universities, Disney Worlds, movies and a Declaration of Independence built on the assumption that the future can bury the past.
This doesn't mean that a true American president would realize that Saddam Hussein or Kim Jong Il are basically good. They are evil. But other American presidents, like J.F.K., F.D.R. and Ronald Reagan, faced enemies more evil than Saddam or Osama without losing touch with American optimism and communicating that to the world. The Bush team has lost it ù and it's a loss for them and for America.
"Never forget," a top German official said to me, "that it was the combination of American hard power and soft power that defeated the Soviet Union. [Europe's] so-called realism is really a deep pessimism that came out of all our religious wars. If you become like us, America will lose its very power and attraction for others ù the reason that even people who hate you are attracted to you."
When the Bush folks sneer at things like the World Court or Kyoto, and virtually every other treaty ù without offering any alternatives but their own righteous power ù "they project an arrogance and obsession with power alone," said the political theorist Yaron Ezrahi. "This undermines the American idealism that made Europe aspire to emancipate itself from the history that brought us World Wars I and II, it delegitimizes American power as an instrument of justice and international order and it makes it impossible for the rest of the world to stand up and say: `I am a New Yorker.' "
Al Qaeda's whole strategy is to encourage this, and turn America into a nation of pessimists, by attacking the symbols and sources of American optimism ù from the World Trade Center to a Bali disco, to the U.S. diplomat in Jordan who was just shot by terrorists. Who was that diplomat? The C.I.A. station chief? No. He was the head of the U.S. aid mission in Jordan ù the American helping Jordan make its future better than its past.
The terrorists want us to shutter our windows, reject visa requests from Muslim youth and turn off our beacon of idealism so we will be less attractive as an alternative to their medieval fanaticism. Because the bin Ladenites know something Mr. Bush doesn't: that it is American optimism and soft power ù not American hard power ù that really threatens them.
No doubt after 9/11 we can't be nanve optimists anymore. But optimists we must remain. We have to find a way of defending ourselves from others' weapons of mass destruction without losing our own weapon of mass attraction. Our ability to rally the world depends on it.
User: No...LMAO! | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Molly- LMAO? Be careful. With the size of your ass, if you laugh to hard you might blow up!
User: Bill | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Well did you all vote yesterday? I didn't...
New York
governor Pataki would have been re-elected without me and
Hillary would still
have been our senator without me, so what was
the point?
As far as the sea change in the U.S. Congress and Senate goes...
I guess
Saddam Hussien and the North Koreans are probably in
Dr. Warren Kruger's
office right now practicing relaxation techniques.
How do you say "Holy Shit!" in Korean anyway?
AJA,
Leonard Cohen "10 New Songs"
Dirty Vegas "Dirty Vegas"
John
Hiatt "Anthology"
Alan Parsons "The Time Machine"
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: P & P: You're an idiot. The Dems lost nationally because they had nothing. No plan nationally...and not enought Dead voters. Clinton & McAuliffe's war machine about fear-mongering and the obscene Wellstone Memorial. They blew it Hopefully, a Kerry or Lieberman will step up to the plate and wrestle the Party from these folks. Notice how they distanced themselves while an ex-President and went on tour - unseemly The Democratic Party should not be a bunch of lackeys for Clinton. I mean it's really, really hard lying and bullshitting all the time. No one else has the talent to triangulate on the run like Bill C..and as he would say: "that dog don't hunt no more."
While there was an even split among women, it's in the genes of the male
animal to need a concrete plan, especially during wartime. Expect Daschle &
MacAuliffe to lose their status in the Party...however, I still expect Clinton
to try to control the DNC through another appointment. I thought there was a
real opportunity with the economy for the Dems to come up with a plan where
ACTUAL MECHANISM were presented to stimulate the economy and a national plan to
run campaigns with class. Note how Bush waited until the polls closed to fire
Harvey Pitt. I expect O'Neill to be on the chopping block soon. W knows these
folks have not created a recovery plan that is coherent - and he'll be blamed in
'04. The market is up 1000 pts in the last month and growth is at 3%, but
re-investment in business and confidence are very weak. Ron Kirk, the black
former mayor of Dallas ran an excellent campaign here as a Democrat - very
classy - and almost won which is quite remarkable in Bush's home state. Gephardt
started to voice some kind of stimulus package, but was drowned out by cueball
Carville and the like. Late in the campaign, Gephardt, Lieberman, and Kerry were
no where to be found as they smelled disaster and stepped out of the way of the
fallout. The only people they could find to go along were dinosaurs like
Mondale, etc. The Dems need new leadership. I'm also concerned in that the Dems
are losing their grip on the most important and fastest growing minority group,
Latinos (often misslabelled as Hispanics - remember over half of the population
of South America does not use Spanish as it's primary language). In short, the
Republicans didn't win it as much as the Dems lost it. Bush is popular, but that
historically doesn't translate in mid-term elections.
AS for oil, if there's war with Iraq, which seems a little less likely now, or is that a trick, it will be short and oil prices will go DOWN as they did in 1991-2 after Gulf War I. Very low or very high crude prices are *bad* for oil cimpanies and the economy. When too low, domestic drilling is not worth the capital of equipment and exploration. We become even more dependent on foreign oil. If there's a bust like the mid 80s, Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Arkansas can go into another depression. Loans unpayable. Banks collapse - as in the S&L crisis - the Feds have to bail them out and the deficit rises. You folks out there, ***dump your gas guzzling SUVs*** and get them new fangled fuel cell cars that are arriving in Cali (Honda is making them first). I know a few petroleum engineers - they say they can get oil out of Alaska without spilling a drop as well - the idea is to free ourselves from Mideast oil. It's those damn tankers importing oil from the Middle East under flags of convenience that spill oil into the environment or worse a dirty nuke sailing up the New York Harbor. The main benefactor of free Iraq would be the neighboring countries, the Iraqi people and the Russians. It's gonna cost us quite a bit of dough, but it will put the rest of al Qaeda and Iran on notice, who should topple from within shortly thereafter anyway. The price of another 9/11 or worse is obviously too high...
User: Beerberian doin his 9 - 5 | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Bad S; sent "the news" to the hotmail addy ..... no good ??
Lcpaul ; UP is a cracking work ...personal faves trax 3 & 5 Mr G - even with a bunnies tail on his chin still ROCKS !!
Clas; Hate to agree with you ...... BUT JB Naked Ride is a fine, fine work too ....
User: President Poltergeist | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Yes! The war-monging, carpet-bagging, greed-for-greed's sake, Rush Limbaugh-loving faction has won! It's a good thing that balance has been restored and reason has prevailed! Now it's time to buy even larger, gas-guzzling vehicles and know that Shrubya has an even easier road to stealing all the oil we need to satiate our desire to consume for consumption's sake. Oh wait, I mean it's a good thing Shrub has all the support he needs to destroy terrorism...
Remember, it may cost you $3.00 in gas to find the cheapest, most fattening fast-food in town but you deserve that right because you're an American! Oh, and don't smoke pot because someone in a foreign land died in the process of getting it to you. That's a real downer, hmm?
Hey, What's That Sound?
The P of P
User: lcpaul | Month: 10 | Day: 6
Message: Dano - Rory Gallagher! Which one? Must be circa approx 72/73? Made me recall a whole lot of old stuff, like Robin Trower's "Bridge of Sighs". Came out about the same time, if I'm not mistaken.
Talk about memory lane.
User: lcpaul | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: jjeff - I'm so glad I'm not the only one. Yes, it took me about a week to see PG's face on the cover, felt real foolish after. Especially as I showed it a friend last night (the cover) who, let's say, isn't the brightest tool in the shed, and she saw it straight away.
And despite Clas's valuable opinion, I think it's a stunning album, especially track 10.
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: StAl - sorry, can't hear what you're saying 'cause I aint reading your posts.
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: W1P: I propose: "Dude, I've Lost My Zoning Ordinance"
February 5, 2002á21:13
IP: barrelfullomonkeys
Mothra &
Godzilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.21; MacGenius 4 not a PussCee)
User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: Hello........
Duncan, thanks sugar. I did a bit of
bouldering... talked to a certain Viking. All in all a great weekend.
Aja,
yeah that's the post where someone calls me a two bit whore. Geez, I thought
folks in the Bible belt were judgmental. My behavior was quite shocking that
Evening... I asked this person if they were Fezo? Then I said " you can't be
Fez, because he always flirts with me by now". Man I can see how that sounds
lascivious. I'm glad this person didn't see the things I say to Ed or Pat,
they'd been wanting to have me stoned.. lol lol
My questions to all those
who feel the need for another chat room to keep all of the undesirables such as
myself out is....
How do you propose to do this? Will you have a monitor to
ensure that only those you invite are admitted to chat? Why not use your
conferencing on your Instant Messenger and save yourself the trouble? If you
find another person offensive, why not use the ignore command? I do, it's great!
Will there be a moderator present to ensure that everyone stays on the topic of
discussion? Who picks this topic? Will you have the secret handshake and
password. Maybe like the Mickey Mouse Club? Hey why not form your own Steely Dan
Secret Society? LMAO
User: Luckless Pedestrian at home | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: okay what's this IP say i wonder? what's in my wallet? where's the beef?
aja and others - go here or bink above: http://www.awarestore.com/
i like the kids covers cd, that's going in one of my kids' stockings for sure!
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: Nevermind who will control the US Congress or the various statehouses. The most important political issues in today's election are whether to free The Valley and Hollywood from the bondage of union with the City of Los Angeles. In addition to a "yay" or "nay" vote on cityhood for the San Fernando valley, residents of the valley are given a contingent choice of what the name of the city should be if it is permitted to secede. My favorite choice is Camelot -- lord almighty no wonder people refer to California as the land of fruits and nuts.
User: Hutch | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: Well, forget that website I listed below. Nothing's
available on it.
Strange...
User: Hutch | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: Aja - The new Los Lobos album, "Good Morning Aztlan", is
real nice. Some cool grooves.
And don't forget our old friend Mr. Beasley has
a new one out. Not that new I guess. It was released last year. Thinking about
getting that one myself.
Check it out:
http://store.artistdirect.com/store/artist/album/full/0,,402246,00.html#greatest
User: Aja.......still too much time on my hands | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: Worth mentioning: among the disses this book gets on the Blue was someone characterizing the GB as "torture is the main attraction there". LOL-I love it!
Man, they take Steely Dan so seriously there.
Aja
User: ¦ - this night vision mode is great! | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: Bad: There are "senior" moments and there are Dukakis moments. LOL!!
November 5, 2002á15:05
Mothra & Godzilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE
5.15; Mac Genius4 SuperComputer Pentium-pounding Power)
IP:
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User: Pheww !!!! | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: it all makes sense now !!! dohhh!!!
the stats for my
homepage have been picking up ''hits'' from the US government !!
too late now though it's all gone down the toilet.
Linda said they probably have people in the sewers anyway !!!
My faith in humanity has now been restored !!!
In the words of the mighty fish...
Speak...friend
(a scripf for a jesters tear)
Dano weekend great...
REAL fire, wine, radio,rain, ''baa's'' wine.
fires.
the '''fresh air'' gave linda a migrain though she had to take monday
off work ...lol
MC you just beat me with your great fall pic's, but i'll post mine in the usual place.
Hi moll...busy weekend ?
DLTBGYD
db
User: jjeff | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: Woke to a white world this A.M... already.
W1P: Never knew Poor Pitiful Me was Zevon.Thanks.
MC: Nice fall colour in your pic.
Dano: Heeed aff. Love it.
Lp: No T.V.!!! Are you practicing for a survivor-type position?
Did it take anone else more than a week to discover Peter Gabriel's face on the cover of his new CD? I just happened to glance at it from the sofa last week and there's his gob all a-kilter behind the wet blobs.
Did Lonnie Donegan do Cleanin' Windas( if you could see what I see when I'm cleanin' windas)?
User: Bad Sneeks | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: Dannnooo my man !!!
My last trip happened to take in Iceland on the way back to the States - The boys were brilliant and I will see you in Portugal - Yes - On the 20th of this month for the friendly V Portugal !!!!
Anybody in London the weekend of the 15th - 18th November ???
BB - No news yet of the DSO ???
As for politics - well here's one of your glorious leader Bill and co.
http://viral.lycos.co.uk/attachments/1109/Bush.jpg
Sorry
User: Rusty | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: Aja: There is a new british band called The Coral who have just realeased an album of the same name. The album is superb and the biggest song to be released from it was "Dreaming of you". They show great potential and I'm waiting for the follow up.
Did anyone see Herbie Hancock performing Rockit on totp 2 tonight?...Great performance
User: Aja.....distraught Democrat ignoring Dr. Mu ;o) | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: St. Al wrote about lp: "I'd be willing to bet every single website you go to is being logged by the fine folks at Sureseeker.com."
Let's list every single website lp visits on here! mwah ha ha ha ha....
And I can't believe you didn't answer my q about looking for some good new music, St. Al! You're always touting some new group I've (usually) never heard of.
Aja
User: ¦ - waaaaahhhhhhhhhhh | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: ¯: I was too busy gut wrenching over being ignored by Aja and dano...or was it the distraught feeling of unreturned e-mail from Royal Scam?...or as a Democrat was I going out to vote for a second time today?...or the frustration of KD refusing to answer my plea fro more info regarding Baker and Berhardt and the Next One?...or is the constant Zevon on at home?...or was it the day gig thingy?
In anycase, try again (remove NOSPAM as always)!!!!
Peter: now THAT'S public service!
November 5, 2002á12:22
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IP:
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User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: thanks st al - i'll talk to my MIS guy -
i assume, since i work in government that this situation is part of a massive government conspiracy and i am merely a pawn
i'm sure the social security administration is part of this, if not the secretary of the interior
User: angel again | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: I forgot to mention that the URL line on the other post is the press release on Norah. For your reading pleasure, Mu....
User: angel | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: Snakie: It's Election Day!!!!!!!
Does that mean you
now get a life again? :-)
Mu: (Oops, I didn't hide my eyes). Interesting review of Norah. I missed the show, so I can't add to what you said. I have a real problem with how music performances are shot for TV, so you won't hear an argument from me.
I did watch a bit of the Newport Jazz Festival program. Chris Potter performed with the Dave Holland Quintet. It was interesting to watch and I liked some of what they did. It does make you want to go to Newport. What a view that stage has of the boats in the water and the people partying....
User: sh | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message:
lp - what the heck are "wellies"? ...lol should i
know this?
hey T-zone, LB, Cyn...nice to read you guys
angel - you out there?
one of my fav Warren Zevon lines "...and his hair was perfect..."
did we vote today?
User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: mu - thanks for the report on norah jones - no tv up here so i'll miss it
thought for today: dress casual in maine means wearing your wellies to
work
User: ¦ - The White Van Syndrome | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: Florida
..
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User: ¦ - The White Van Syndrome | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: can't ya just see these things coming 1500 miles away or what!?
http://www.local6.com/orlpn/news/stories/news-176523620021105-071119.html
LOL!!!!!!!
If I remember correctly Floridda had in 1990, and probably today, the highest high school dropout rate in the nation...bus 'em to Porky's instead of the polls! hehehehe Back to work...
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User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: One: 1978 - one of his greatest...forgot that Zevon used Time out of Mind line before Dan...before Dylan...
MC: Man, I miss fall colors...green only fades to brown and away and
gone...
C: THAT was funny...
Did my duty this morning...some Dems, some Repubs, one Libertarian...no hanging chads. I'm not kidding, we still use the same punch card system used in Florida in 2000, but you won't hear any complaints here. People in Texas are good with their hands and check their work throroughly...hope the seniors and local election officers can figure out the machines in Florida. Here's a hint - you have to plug them in!!!!!!!
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User: 100101001001010 | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: Okay... so light travels at 186,000 miles per
second.
Which equates to 11,600,000 miles per hour (18,676,000 kph for
our
metric friends).
The nearest star is Proxima Centauri, which is only 4.2 light years
away,
BUT it's a friggin' red dwarf so there aint no point in going
all that way
just to visit a midget sun right? So the next really
good sun is Alpha
Centauri A, which is only 4.4 light years away.
Therefore, if we can just develop a craft which can travel at
11,600,000
miles per hour, AND we don't get in no accidents (space
drivers suck as you
know...), THEN is will only take us 4.4 years
to reach the nearest star.
Okay.... 11,600,000 miles per hour....
That should'nt be a problem right?
User: One of my Favorites By Ol Warren | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: Accidently Like A Martyr
The phone don't ring
And the sun refused to shine
Never thought I'd
have to pay so dearly
For what was already mine
For Such a long, long
time
We made mad love
Shadow love
Random love
And abandoned
love
Accidently like a martyr
The hurt gets worse and the heart gets
harder
The days slide by
Should have done, should have done, we all sigh
Never
thought i'd ever be so lonely
After such a long, long time
Time out of
mind
We made mad love
Shadow love
Random love
And abandoned
love
Accidently like a martyr
The hurt gets worse and the heart gets
harder
Warren Zevon
User: G. | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: LOl oh lordy C, i kinda see a cartoon version of you
calling St. Al and then something yellow and something blue, anyone gifted with
the art of animation in here? since there's nothing new under the official Dan
horizon people got to keep themselves amused and occupied, right?
Good luck
on fighting the germs off, C!
Banyan Tree Mr. Magoo turns Yellow Bow,
G.
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: SAINT AAAAAAL!!! They are discussing things we discussed five years ago over at the Blue Bore. I think this Yellow Page is very environment friendly, it's recycling itself, and the Blue Bore is our compost heap, right?
mr Stewart, the real one I presume? Back in Alaska?
Mid Cruiser - excellent picture, it looks like Sweden.
User: lcpaul | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: jim - great pic, ta.
paul
User: larry | Month: 10 | Day: 5
Message: Is it safe ?
User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: howdy y'all...not much new going on musically for me latley....here's a photo from today though if you're inclined to look:
http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/DarkAutumn.jpg
or click on the Homepage link at the top of this post.
the photo was taken from the parking lot of the local Lowe's hardware store late this afternoon....the Fall colors here have pretty much hit their peak and started to fade in spots but the dark, stormy looking skies along with the little bit of golden, late afternoon light combined to make what I thought was a pretty shot....hope you enjoy.
sure would be nice if Walter and Donald would let us know the progress of
their recording efforts....it would be nice to have some SD related news to look
forward to for a change.
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: StAl: Please get you jealous PC to record by computer's signature as it should be...example below:
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User: ¦ - The Reluctant Star | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message:
lp, Aja: Speaking of...Norah was on Austin City
Limits Saturday as the back half of a Chris Isaak, Norah Jones special kicking
off this year's show. Chris Isaak's portion was solid, but not spectacular, with
the usual Austin city Limits marginal lighting and angles. Good playing, but not
as crisp as I would have thought...
The Norah Jones segment was filmed on August 22, one day after her spectacular Paramount Theatre show (I'm going to finish my report one of these years or when the Next One comes out). Her band was set up in a similar geometry with the bass stage lieft, Norah fron left center, the drummer rigth back and guitar stage right. At the Paramount there was warm lighting from the antique stained glass lamp and cool colors filtering and cris-crossing across the stage from orbs above..
...well, Austin City Limits folks decided that they were going to spotlight norah. so they uncharacteristically shot super close-ups of Norah framed poorly and a host of Gangbang Triple Sun Lamps pouring light and heat all over Norah so that her skin was just under the temperature of the sun's corona, and her olive skin blanched to the color of a white corn tortilla. Bless PBS (hide you eyes angel), they do a super sound on NPR and Plush, but when they try to be artsy (Plush) or something new at the Video end as in here, they fail miserably. Angles were from behind, in front, all over the place - not the usual ACL set-up at all... Hasn't anyone told them about digital video cameras yet!!!?? You don't need much light and can purchase cool fluorescent banks of lighting from Kineflo and other companies...
Do you feel sorry for Norah yet? Needless to say, sweat was just pouring down her face. She was clearly Very uncomfortable and nervous with the camera and lighting situation and perhaps the TV exposure, though she looked way more comfortable on Letterman. On the 21st at the Paramount, Norah was truly in her element in an intimate theatre, her voice, confident, very strong, beaming during the songs and joking so gently between...
Here the smiles were forced and clipped, having to awkwardly brush the rainforest of perspiration from her shoulder, the story about meeting Willie Nelson short without the genuine gushing...no chance to display her humble charm...at the end of the segment in a short pre-taped interview, Norah almost apologized for her sucess after 3 years of apprenticeship in New York singing jazz standards before recording her first one...
The set was played well though. There was Lonestar, the Band's Bessie Mae, Willie Nelson's Help Me Make It Through the Night, Come Away with Me, and my daughter's favorite I've Got to See You Again. Norah's piano was almost as jazzy on ACL as the Paramount and very, very good. She has a great sense of rhythm and really plays well against her vocals. However, Norah's singing was more hesitant, weaker, and not dead on like only the night before where she not only nailed every note, but got her body and soul into it...and what a night it was where she captured the night, took us for a ride and many of us were smoking Chesterfield Kings afterwards! Finally the folks at the mixing board didn't have things at Austin City Limits, sounding a little muddy, tweaked nearly as well as the Parmount where the voice and instruments permeated the old oak and cedar of the Paramount...man, I'm was very fortunate to be there 8/21/02...
Make no mistake, the Austin City Limit segment is worth checking out - very good, but as you can tell, I'm overprotective...As Norah grows older and is more experienced she will be able to overcome the trials and tribulations of fame and less than optimal performance conditions...or then again she might retreat to the studio like some band in the 70s...
In my eyes though Saturday, Norah crystallized her role as the anti-Christina Aguilera or Anti-Britney, who's performance chutzpah hides clueless musicianship...
"I can make love disappear. For my next trick, I'll need a volunteer"
- Warren Zevon
User: Hutch | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: Sorry to hear of Lonnie Donegan's passing. I definitely remember "Does your Chewing Gum Lose it's Flavour". For those of us in the U.S. it was that strange period in Rock n Roll in the early sixties after Buddy Holly died and Elvis had started doing movies but before The Beatles. So we had Bobby Vinton and Sandra Dee and all those pin-up milk toast pop singers and England was getting down to the roots. That time (in the U.S.) was also rampant with little novelty songs like "Mule Skinner Blues", "The Purple People Eater", "The Witchdoctor" by The Chipmonks and the list goes on and on. Lonnie managed to get a foot in the door in America I guess because skiffle was just quirky enough to fit right in at the time.
In Hawes n. Yorkshire I can recommend Beckindales.
Hutch
User: Mr. Stewart | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: It's worse than dog-eat-dog.....It's dog-doesn't-return-other-dog's e-mail messages. Sheesh...The big brush-off. Mmmmkay.
User: No Lonnie, No Beatles, No Don and Walt? | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: Hi all,
Tuesday November 5, 4:10 AM
King of skiffle Lonnie Donegan dies at
71
ADVERTISEMENT
"King of Skiffle" Lonnie Donegan, once a big
influence on The Beatles, has died at the age of 71 after collapsing on tour,
his publicist said Monday.
Donegan changed the face of British popular music,
launching the skiffle boom of the 1950s with hits that ranged from "Rock Island
Line" through "Cumberland Gap" to "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose Its Flavour (On
the Bedpost Overnight)".
The singer, who had suffered several heart attacks and was complaining of back trouble, died Sunday with his third wife Sharon and son Peter at his side in the central English town of Peterborough.
He was halfway through a British tour and had already been forced to cancel two shows because of ill health.
Donegan was hailed as the voice of skiffle, a gritty blend of folk, jazz, gospel and blues, which the Beatles acknowledged as a major influence.
Eric Clapton ( news) had invited Donegan to perform at a tribute concert later this month for former Beatle George Harrison. John Lennon was playing in a skiffle band, the Quarrymen, when he first met Paul McCartney ( news).
Donegan, whose fans ranged from Mark Knopfler ( news) to Van Morrison ( news), shot to fame on both sides of the Atlantic with the release in 1956 of the Leadbelly song "Rock Island Line."
It was very rare for British singers to break into the U.S charts back then. He went on a 40-city tour and appeared on the Perry Como TV show, co-starring with Ronald Reagan ( news).
For six years, every single he released was a hit -- from "Pick a Bale of Cotton" to "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose its Flavour?"
His success spawned a musical craze -- by 1956, London alone had almost 1,000 skiffle groups.
Donegan, who played both banjo and guitar, was the first artist to win a gold record with a debut release. He is listed in the Guinness Book of Records as one of the biggest hit-makers of all time.
As skiffle's popularity waned, Donegan took to the cabaret circuit, starring in Las Vegas, Hollywood and New York.
His career was given a belated boost by a new generation of admirers with the release in 1978 of a tribute album -- "Putting on the Style" -- with Elton John ( news), Brian May ( news) and Ringo Starr ( news) as his superstar backing band.
In 1997, he was given a lifetime achievement award at the prestigious Ivor Novello Awards.
A spokesman for the singer, reflecting on his legacy, said: "Lonnie Donegan
was a legend -- he changed the face of British popular music. In a career that
covered over 50 years, he inspired nearly every major musician alive today."
Reuters/Variety
User: Aja..........baring my deepest, darkest secret | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: uh, I might already have it? LOL!
Aja
User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: hey aja - how about norah jones, huh?...
yuck yuck - sorry girlfriend, you waltzed right into that one - lol
island life today: caved in and wore wool today, was hoping to make it to
thanksgiving before i had to
User: Aja.......music-related post contained herein! | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: Y'know, one of the great things about this place is nobody can tell what your physical characteristics are. I find that liberating. And you absolutely cannot tell what somebody looks like from what they post, nor can you tell what someone is "really like". I've had the pleasure of meeting many GB'ers for 3 years now, and I can attest that almost no one looked like what I expected, nor did they have the personality I expected. Writing about what you think someone looks like based on what they post is pretty damn silly.
Now for some music:
I was driving in to work today and realized, shamefully, that every CD in my car was dated 2000 or older. I'd really appreciate some recs for great new music to pick up.
(wait, here's one from 2002: Trey Anastasio. whew!)
Aja
User: King of the World | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: Digiman-----
The Moon's image is about 2 1/2 seconds old, I think. And how long does it take light manufactured in the core of the sun (which takes 8 1/2 minutes to reach us from the surface) to travel from the core to the surface of the sun? About 1 million years.
Quasars do not exist, probably. This is because all the ones we can see are billions (up to... 10 billion or a bit more?)of light-years away, so that's billions of years ago, shortly after the Big Bang, so quasars are probably some early kind of galaxy-- yet we can look at them, as if they're in the here and now.
Light takes all that time, but apparently gravity acts on things instantaneously, no matter how far away the thing is, and no one knows how that could be possible.
User: Dano | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: Cyn , I am staying at the Express By Holiday Inn Tele No 01823 624000 , The Premierlodge was double Booked. This Hotel is straight off at Junction 25,0ff The M5 for Taunton at the Blackbrook Business Park.Just ask for Danny Campbell.I will be there for most of the evening as i am seeing a client in Wellington ( about 7 miles from Taunton )late afternoon then stopping over to travel up to Bristol. The beers are on me!!
Regards
Dano.
User: Stupid People Trix | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: ERIE, Pa. Nov. 2 - A Pennsylvania woman's electricity
bill got too high allegedly powering heat lamps for her neighbors' homegrown
marijuana, authorities said.
John J. Stempka, 24, and Jennifer L. Gilligan,
20, were in the Erie County Prison early Saturday on charges they pilfered power
from neighbor Michsella Babcock to run all their appliances, including heat
lamps for their pot plants.
Babcock alerted Penelec, her power company, when
she got a $518 bill, and then discovered a wire running from her circuit breaker
box to the apartment of Stempka and Gilligan, police said.
Police said the
couple had no electric service and were using Babcock's electricity for all
their appliances. The marijuana plants were discovered Thursday.
Police
believe the couple tapped into Babcock's electrical box before she moved into
her apartment Sept. 18.
Babcock isn't on the hook for her high bill, said
Scott Surgeoner, a spokesman for FirstEnergy Corp., Penelec's parent company.
Charges against Stempka and Gilligan included conspiracy to commit theft and
possession with intent to deliver marijuana.
It could not immediately be
determined whether Stempka or Gilligan had retained attorneys.
User: Duncan | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: I can recommend Beckindales in Hawes n.
Yorkshire.
It's a jazz cafTà
Wondered in there at the weekend for coffee.
Heard almost
gothic...followed by 2vn
Said to Linda ''if they play shame about me we're staying for lunch''
For other things to do in the English rain
Simply re-arrange the words in the first line of this message
Sorry to hear about Lonnie today, saw him last year at a private show in
Tony's local.
The Trimdon labour club, he was great .
db
User: | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: Don't get me wrong I mean it's still good sun, I mean
you can still
use it but it's just not new sun that's all... it's 8 1/2
minutes
old sun.
But don't worry cuz' we're getting it at 25 percent off. I mean
it is
used sun after all, they can't expect us to pay full price
for used sun can
they?
User: | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: Even when you see the sun, you're seeing it as it was 8 1/2 minutes ago.
User: 10010100100101 | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: When you look out into the night sky, and you see the
stars far away,
you're seeing them because of the light that has traveled
from them
to you.
But it takes time for the light to travel here. So what we're doing
is
seeing the stars as they were in the past, in the amount of time
it has taken
the light to reach us. The further and further away
the stars are, the
further back in time we're looking.
Now were seeing a star that, let's say, is 6000 years ago.
Imagine
somebody on that star looking at us. They would be seeing
us as we were 6000
years ago. Which of those two is now?
So space and time are linked together. As we are looking across
space we
are looking back in time.
11001001001Temporalia1001001010
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: Jahapp.
Any news on Jon Fishmans band Pat?
User: Beerberian in the cold light of day | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: BS; I'll mail you the news ......
User: Bad Sneakers | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: Gabriel on Later !! - Still not made my mind up about the silver goatee though - preferred the flower head. Tony Levin still does it though and was that Paula Cole ? - Respect due.
Bela Fleck and the the flecktones at the mean fiddler in London on the 17th of November - Now if you make JUST one more gig this lifetime - make it this one.
Glad to see the same old heads talking the same old pish since I've been back round the world again - However a bit concerned re: Sir Paul Shotan and the DSO - can anyone enlighten ???
On the Bodacious CD player this week - "All the best cowboys" - Pete Townshend, "The age of plastic" - the Buggles, "Prophesy" - Nitin Sawhney, "Tenor madness" - Sonny Rollins, "Happy Sad" - Tim Buckley, "Vapour Trails" - Rush, "The amazing Bud Powell - Vol 1", "Giant steps" - Coltrane, "Anthology" - John Martyn, "Live art" - Bela fleck and the flecktones, "solobsession" - Bojan Zulfikarpasic, "Royal Scam" - Steely Dan, "Up" - PG, various demos from the studio including Cruiser, the Others, Laeto, The Zephyrs, The Scottish guitar quartet, The beta band, Karma Hi, etc etc
Peace love and muzak to all - TBC
User: Informations Systems Dept. | Month: 10 | Day: 4
Message: Exactly what is a "Turing Machine"?
Must be the Dodge
Aries of computer hardware I guess.
Dano?
User: Cyn | Month: 10 | Day: 3
Message: #2729....Danooooooooooo....you're gonna be in Taunton on the 7th??? Very Good, I land at Heathrow 6:40 a.m. on the 7th. Would love to meet for a drink, and I'll tell Alan. I shouldn't have jet lag..am working on that before hand. Going to bed at 7:pm..getting up at 2 am. Even so, I can take a little nap when we get home. We'll see what Alans "sheduuuelle" (hahha) is for the day. Hes working on NOT working..hahaha. Send me email with your last name, so when I call, I don't have to say "I want to speak with the Scotsman Dano..hes staying at your Hotel" "Hell, no, I don't know his last name..but hes Scottish, Just how many Scots Steely Dan fans do you have staying there, anyway?". And look for the Englishman with his smartass Yankee girlfriend (as he so tenderly calls me).As if...!
clas..Pats is a character from the Ab Fab series on BBC...no new pups til we get settled in England.But, Indie looks forward to meeting you, Lena and Pompe'...hes not to sure about Miss Thompson..says she looks kinda scarey.
And again, the GB leaves me with a smile on my face...Thanks,
Friends.
User: Oh Yeah | Month: 10 | Day: 3
Message: Workout=Viking
Bill- You still suck
User: StAl | Month: 10 | Day: 3
Message: DAMN PEOPLE! I go out of town for a few days and come back to this?
Chill.
Speaking of chill -- spent 2 days setting up our new store in Bend Oregon. In the morning I awoke to temperatures hovering at a balmy 5 degrees (that's -15 degrees for our non US readers)... Beautiful country though. Love it down there.
BB: I keep hearing of all these appearances by PG on TV but I've yet to catch a single one. Feel I'm just going to have to wait until December 17th for the surprise.
Tones: Were you kidding about coming up here for a second UP show? Mi casa su casa. Might have a line on an extra ticket. Email me if it's even a semi-serious consideration. Take you on a tour of the Experience Music Project. Have drinks at the liquid lounge before the show. GOD I can't wait..
New Foo Fighters is HOT. Nice pop hooks with a jackhammer backbeat -- a Foo Fighters record through and through.
StAl
User: workout | Month: 10 | Day: 3
Message: SammyDBull = Bill
Bill, you suck
User: SammyDBull | Month: 10 | Day: 3
Message: Yo Muthafukizz!,
Ben a whiyle sintce eye wrote yooze a letta cuz eye ben in jayle.
Dey putt
mee in duh joiynt fuh 19 fukin yeers fuh deelin' cristel
mett! Eye wuz kinda
piss'd wen eye showwed up inn couwt end nun
ov yooze wuz dere... whut duh fuk
wuz up wit dat? Eyeme inn couwt
fiytin' faw mye lyfe end nun of yoo
muthafukizz ken showe up 2
defent me? SUM FUKIN FRENDZ YOO IZ!
Sew eye godda doo nyneteen fukin' yeerz in prizzin fuh sumptin
whut
wazn't eevin mye fawlt? Eye meen it wuz yoo muthafukizz
whut putz mee up 2
it afta awl! Rite now mye lawya iz tryin 2
get mee a repreeve sew dat eye
cude cee duh nekst Steelyee Dan
consoiyt at Duh Gordge. Iff eye get duh okaye
frum duh wardin
eyeme gonna axe dem 2 muthafukizz whye dey neva cum 2 sprink
mee
frum duh joiynt! Afta awl eye dun faw dem dey owe mee at leest
dat
mutch!
Donte fawget 2 vizit mee, end donte fawget to sende mee dat
boitday cayke
wit duh fiyle inn it ok?
Tanks,
Sammy
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 3
Message: Undecided, The Custerdome - go to www.wadenius.com and
find out.
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 3
Message: t - I heard you have to bring a telescope.
User: arlean | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: Thanks for those wonderful lyrics Dr. Mu.
In the eye of a dust storm, that was real class. Polishing off the dust.
It makes one take a long look at at how precious life is really, and the gifts that are given to us. The ones we see and don't want to see.
Sometimes we don't see ourselves as others see us. We should take a closer look at our own words. Is this the gift we leave behind with our signature? Is this what you will leave behind, this hate? Is there no caution with what side you take?
I am looking for a better world myself. You all teach me each day, it has to
be inside of me.
User: j a s o n | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: It's a sign of how bad the cynicism (and not the good kind of cynicism, where it's sarcasm/wit of the well-meaning but disillusioned, but the bad, morally/emotionally bankrupt kind)and mean-spiritedness have gotten, not just on this board but everywhere--- that even those people trying to fight the problem get dragged down by it.
Just about every time that someone rebuts an attack, even when they're defending another party, she/he will end up making a pretty similar kind of attack, going after someone's guessed-at physical short-comings, or similar cheap shots. These are the good guys that I'm talking about. I don't think it comes out of meanness, but from being hurt plus maybe a feeling of, "So this is what the world's come to... if things are this far gone, what the hell, why even bother rising above it, no one's going to notice anyway." Hitting back's all that's left.
I don't go for a totally self-sacrificing turn-the-other-cheek response, but when the posts from the good guys sound almost exactly like those from the original attackers, that scares me. I'm afraid that when I start getting flamed (I've been lucky so far... i don't know why) here, I'll do it too. On other boards I've gotten a little vindictive, but usually I manage to make fun of the attacks in a way that deflates them, I hope. I tend to be the one guy in a controversy making fun of the controversy itself, and how much everybody seems to care about it.
User: | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: Warren
User: ¦ - and the hits just keep on comin' | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: an epic - interesting melodic song structure ABCADEF:
THE FRENCH INHALER
Words and music by Waren Zevon
How you're going to make your way in the world woman
When you weren't cut
out for working
When your fingers are slender and frail
How're you going
to get around
In this sleazy bedroom town
If you don't put yourself up for
sale
Where will you go with your scarves and your miracles
Who's gonna know who
you are
Drugs and wine and flattering light
You must try it again 'til you
get it right
Maybe you'll end up with someone different every night
All these people with no home to go home to
They'd all like to spend the
night with you
Maybe I would too
But tell me
How're you going to make your way in the world woman
When
you weren't cut out for working
And you just can't concentrate
And you
always show up late
You said you were an actress
Yes, I believe you are
I thought you'd be
a star
So, I drank up all the money
Yes I drank up all the money
With
these phonies in this Hollywood bar
With these friends of mine in this
Hollywood bar
Loneliness and frustration
We both came down with an acute case
And
when the lights came up at two
I caught a glimpse of you
And your face
looked like something
Death brought with him in a suitcase
Your pretty face
It looked so wasted
Another pretty face
devastated
The French Inhaler
He stamped and mailed her
"So long,
Norman"
And she said, "So long, Norman"
User: The Viking | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: P.S. Rusty - are you retarded son? Time to go back to school you fuckwit
User: The Viking | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: wow-i thought this message board was about some band
called Steely Dan or somethin-I only came on here cos Molls told me she posted
and I was kinda interested in gettin into some new music - but sadly it appears
that this is the "miserable bastard" message board that i stumbled right on
into. I can't help but reply to the shite that a lot of you people post - I
never could resist an argument and I could never walk on by while someone gets
abuse when they really don't deserve it. I do feel a bit guilty after posting
some real agressive stuff - I dont reckon I should really be on here seeing as
how I don't really know much about SD or listen to much of their music - but I
do think that what goes on here is relative to whats going on in the real world,
everyone's gettin so fuckin cynical these days. It's as if we all forgot how to
be nice to each other. Or at least tolerant. No-one ever shoots down the fucking
mundane and mind-numbingly boring posts concerning some fuckin dream band lineup
or whatever - anfd that shit is fucking laughable in the extreme. It makes no
difference whatsoever to any of our real lives what gets written and read on
this thing - so why strive to make someone else feel shit about themselves? It
aint school - your not gettin your own back on anyone - just dont put your pissy
snide little comments in unless your still suffering from the " I was bullied at
school and I want to gang up on someone else" syndrome.
Ok thats it.
User: Zan/flippy | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: Thanks for posting the Warren lyrics. So very sad!
"big fat woman"...... Rusty, evolve for crying out loud. Are you part of the "cat fight?" as well. I thought the SD fans had some brain cells, the music certainly does.
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: These pages need these words NOW: Warren Zevon -- Poor Poor Pitiful Me
I'd lay my head on the railroad tracks
And wait for the Double E
But
the railroad don't run no more
Poor, poor pitiful me
Poor, poor pitiful me
Poor, poor pitiful me
These young girls won't let
me be
Lord have mercy on me
Woe is me
Well, I met a girl in West Hollywood
I ain't naming names
She really
worked me over good
She was just like Jesse James
She really worked me
over good
She was a credit to her gender
She put me through some changes,
Lord
Sort of like a Waring blender
Poor, poor pitiful me
Poor, poor pitiful me
These young girls won't let
me be
Lord have mercy on me
Woe is me
Well, I met a girl at the Rainbow bar
She asked me if I'd beat her
She
took me back to the Hyatt House
I don't want to talk about it
Poor, poor pitiful me
Poor, poor pitiful me
These young girls won't let
me be
Lord have mercy on me
Woe is me
User: Viva! | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: Jen....You go girl! Molly is... the very worst!
User: Jennifer | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: My goodness Molly
All I did was ask you if you felt
you were polite and well mannered.
Guess that answered it.
No wonder that
not everyone is convinced of your "Ms Wonderful Me" act.
And I really could care less what you think about me because you just don't
count.
I just thoroughly enjoy watching you make a fool out of
yourself....although it does make me feel a little guilty
setting you up
because it is so easy.
User: Rusty...all most forgot | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: Jennifer...I'm so sorry for being so rude but surely you can see the need for my last posting. I've tried before but my efforts are in vain, I always thought SD fans would be far more open minded and liberal, but alas it's just one more vision destroyed. Around here Molly is a star because blokes with no self cofidence are taken in with her evil charms. They become addicted to her although she only damages them...I once dated a girl with the same cravings for attention, it was a nightmare and I'll never go through it again...To all those sad fellas out there..."Your ever lasting summer and you see it fading fast"...Do I need to say anymore????
User: Rusty | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: Hey Molly perhapse Jens clicked on to you?...You are really annoying and just whitle all the time. Most people in here are boring and sluggish. Hence my protracted absence, sometimes it's nice to be entertained. Molly get of your high horse, just admit your a big fat woman who fantises about having all the attention in the real world...Stop sending naked pics of the pretty girl in the next trailer to yours. Go get a frontal lobotymy, try to fimd some form of wit and humour and then if all else fails please spare the good folks of the world from your prescence!
User: flippy | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: Thanks for the card Moll, it was hysterical. You're very thoughtful!!
User: t | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: C - The people in the cheap seats had better take binoculars so that they don't ... uh... miss anything... I hear he's a "short" guy...
User: The Viking | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: Hehehehehehehe-Moll-take that thing off safety and let em have it-hehe
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: t - yepp, that's how I got it explained for me. He's going the full Montague/Montgomery this tour.
And Joni's the Blond in the Bleachers on every show. She follows him home but he miss living alone... well you know that story.
User: t | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: C - is it true Jackson's going full monty for his Naked Ride Home tour?
User: t | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: C - gotta admit... you crack me UP sometimes...
User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: Phill Collins is performing at BingoLotto tonite!
Yahooo!
User: Molly...... | Month: 10 | Day: 2
Message: Re post2792: Well Jennifer, I've tried to overcome my
upbringing but I still have remnants of it. My Momma was horrified by the
bellyring, and almost fainted when she saw my tatoos. lol lol... Do you feel
that you can be considered well-mannered because you don't own the insults you
write? I'm referring specifically to post 2255. You denigrated several groups of
people in that one post. The first being people who are overweight. You attempt
to stereotype large people as being sexless and lacking the ability to attract
another person. Neither is true. Nor do large individuals sit around eating
brownies all day. You claim to be a Social Worker, I sincerely hope that you are
not. How could you make such disparaging remarks about the impoverished people
who seek government assistance? What do you expect people with very little means
to live in? To many a "trailer" is the best they can ever hope for. Again, you
perpetuate the negative stereotypes of the very people who keep you employed.
(If you are in fact a Social Worker, which I doubt)
You've been very free
with your opinions of me. Let me give you my best educated guess on who you
probably are:
I would imagine you're some little titless wonder. You probably
constantly monitor your food intake to assure that you can stay stick thin. Who
knows? Perhaps you're anorexic... I'd guess you might even ram your finger down
your throat to keep from gaining a pound. You lack any vitality due to the fact
you're starving yourself. Your skin is pasty,gray-looking and your hair is as
brittle and dry as you are. You're harsh and judgmental. You have no passion or
joy in your life. You're cold, and deny yourself sex the way you do most other
things that give people happiness. That is why you feel such contempt for others
who do act happy. You couldn't attract a real man like Deck or the Viking to
save your life. Even if you did happen to find a man like one of them, you
wouldn't enjoy the sex....or be loving enough to maintain a relationship with
them. So you write your nasty little digs, and despise me because I like to
flirt and have fun.... Because I enjoy being a woman. Maybe it helps you feel
better about your loveless, passionless existence? In any case if you think I
care in the least what you write or think about me, you're sadly mistaken. I
feel pity for you.
User: Steveedan | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: W1P - You're right. I did forget (while I was writing that post) that "Z" plays with both bands. I am glad that J.D. didn't have anything to do with this gig. I can tell you why later ...
Johnny Foxx's offered me and Pretzel Logic a weekly gig there. This deal had nothing to do with J.D., and he called me to tell me that he was starting to do the booking there ... I told him that I was playing there next week (this conversation was about 3 weeks ago)... he didn't know what to say. He will NOT be involved in my future negotiations there. (I.e., he will not get half the door, he will not pass go, he will not collect $200 from my band.)
We are considering once or twice a month type of a situation. The sound man who did our sound there was the best small club soundman we have ever had (either with the PL band or with Steely Fan Band). Anyway, I was talking to the owners of Foxx's and they told me that this week they were doing 3 things ... (1) installing a new and improved sound system, (2) putting new lights and stage lighting effects, and (3) extending the front of the stage (our 10 piece band barely fit on it). I live less than 3 miles from this club. Even though it is not a huge money gig, I would be very happy to be able to play there and then get home within 5 minutes of load-out.
I will be discussing other marketing ideas and suggesting other things to these guys. We seem to have hit it off fairly well. I crack them up ... they think I'm nuts. ... Yeah, I know, they're right.
Steveedan
User: Beerberian Loves Judie | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: t: Yep .....dish it UP Mr G was goldennnnnnn .... fast forward the ramonesulike ......
User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: Leno jokes on the Haitian de force:
* Did you see the 200 HaitianÆs jump overboard and swim to shore in Florida the other day? It looked like a bad episode of "Shipmatesö.
* Did you see that? They jumped overboard and then swam ashore and ran off, one of them even grabbed a bike and rode off û apparently it was like some sort of triathlon. The winner gets to stay!
* 200 immigrants running down the street û or as we call that here in L.A., a slow day!
* My question is if they are trying to escape a third-world country that doesnÆt have free elections, why did they choose to show up in Florida?
*Are you following that boatload of Haitian immigrants story in Florida? 200 Haitian immigrants jumped into the water and swam to shore just to get here. Pretty inspiring. ThatÆs just what Florida needs, 200 more people that donÆt know how to vote.
* The FBI has apprehended most of the immigrants and theyÆll probably be
deported. There are three things you must have to stay here if youÆre a Haitian
û a fastball, a curveball and a slider.
User: ¦ - hope you have pleasant dreams Warren... | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: There are many reasons why many Danfans would have great affinity for Warren Zevon. His storytelling sardonic, humorous, ironic, subbersive, macabre-like, intelligent filled with characters ranging from skeevy, anguished, frustrated, bemused, perceptive, yet hopeful of a Tin Cup moment in a dusty life all in a slightly askewed world, yet with a crystalline view of the human condition. His tunes fresh and lyrical, yet familiar based on "classic America pop" (1900-1950) with elements of blues, folk, Old West, ragtime, jazz played with rock sensibility and a serious edge...
Zevon's epnoymous debut was one of the best albums of the 70s. There are numerous classics that saw a little more daylight with Linda Ronstadt, who may or may ont have understood them, such as Carmelita, Hasten Down the Wind, Poor Poor Pitiful Me, and Mohammed's Radio, they are best heard in their original context. Frank and Jesse James, Also Mama Coudn't Be Persuaded, The French Inhaler, I'll Sleep When I'm Dead combine world weariness with sharp as a tack wit and hook-filled memories...Warren turned the LA "sound" on its ear demonstrating that the Iggles were best served as a backup with Jackson Browne...adult music with the ear candy, but without the sugar-coating...
MOHAMMED'S RADIO
Everybody's restless and they've got no place to go
Someone's trying to
tell them
Something they already know
So their anger and resentment flow
But don't it want to make you rock and roll
All night long
Mohammed's
Radio
I heard someone singing sweet and soulful,
On the radio, Mohammed's
radio
You know the sherrif's got his problems too
He will surely take them out
on you
In walks the village idiot and his face is all aglow
He's been up
all night listening to Mohammed's radio
Don't it want to make you rock and roll
All night long
Mohammed's
Radio
I heard someone singing sweet and soulful,
On the radio, Mohammed's
radio
Everybody's desperate
Trying to make ends meet
Work all day, still
can't pay
The price of gasoline and meat
Alas, their lives are incomplete
Don't it want to make you rock and roll
All night long
Mohammed's
Radio
I heard someone singing sweet and soulful,
On the radio, Mohammed's
radio
You've been up all night listening for his drum
Hoping that the righteous
might just might just might just come
I heard the General whispering to his
aide-de-camp
Be watchful of Mohammed's lamp
Don't it want to make you rock and roll
All night long
Mohammed's
Radio
I heard someone singing sweet and soulful,
On the radio, Mohammed's
radio
User: t | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: BB - is that the Jools Holland show "Later" with the rotating band format? We get BBC America here on dish... I don't know if it's a delayed broadcast, but I'll have my VCR camped out all weekend looking for it... Thanks for the heads-up!
User: Beerberian...mellowed UP | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: StAL; PG live as in hive would ya want that .....BBC2 now !!! Jools has the man pinned to a joanna AND he is talkin' "growin up" then doin "your eyes"
He's gone baldy silver goatey AND the band are also equally smoooooth ..... get that dye OR worry now LOL
An iconic figure in the history of British rock music BOW DOWN NOW ....anabelle lwin shame on you
Groooooooove Arrmardarrr New 2 me ... "seems I lost what I had to gain" love that line AND a tootin Horn sextshun ....
User: Appendage | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: It's beyond doubt that no matter what one's intrawisconsi--- physici--wisconsinni---- physiciwiosconsini--
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: Steeve -- Have you forgotten that Steve Zukowsky is "Jimmy Page" and W1P's rhythm guitarist? Jimmy D did not have anything to do with the Smokeout -- that came from Mountain High Entertainment out in the Inland Empire. Heard about Jimmy D and Paladino's and Johnny Foxx's -- who knows what impact that will have on Paladino's but they'd better upgrade Johnny Foxx's "sound system" if they want to compete ;-)
User: Steveedan | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: Hey W1P - You and Swan sure to play a lot of venues together. Is this intentional? Did Jimmy D. have anything to do about this? I'm sure you've heard about Paladino's ...
Good luck this weekend ... to you and all those "in the pink".
Steveedan
User: Random Jason Pseudonym | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: YGK-----Didn't mean to be totally sarcastic. Also meant to be totally impenetrable to those possibly intent on doing so, even in a comedic context.
User: Reality Raymond | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: That Georgie Fame guy, did he ever become famous? It must've been his f'in' lifelong dream, so I sure as Hell hope so......
User: "All Saints Day" I'll meet you at the station on judgement day" | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: Played today..
Larry Coryell "cedars of avalon"
Elvin Jones "the shell game"
Joe
Turner w/count basie orchestra flip-flop and fly "good morning blues"
Dexter
Gordon "hanky panks"
Howlin Wolf "killin floor"
Buddy Guy "keep it to
myself"
Van Morrison w/Georgie Fame "all saints day"
Went to the mountain and looked down at the sea-
minnows had my woman and
the blues had me.
Sleepy John Estes
"stack o' dollars blues"
bluz
User: YGK | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: ........and as I walked into the room, I extended my appendage in a greetingly fashion, indication and possible relationship of some sort, yet there was little response, until she turned around and.........."
gyk
User: It's the Emperor | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: Well, I'm generally grateful when an appendage is witrhdrawn from my presence, no matter what its nature is. (I've been led to believe that appendages cannot figure into my future in a good way.)
User: Aussie | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: Which One's Pink?: Holy guacamole! I'm pumped for you dude. What a line-up...... Say, if you're backstage, don't be afraid to toke it up with the Cypress Hill boys. Too funny!
Aus
User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: This is just too funny. Which One's Pink? is playing the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum (capacity 90,000) on November 23, 2002 with, among others, Cypress Hill, Everlast, Snoop Dog, and the Circle Jerks -- hosted by Tommy Chong. Seriously, I am laughing so hard I can barely type this. http://www.smokeoutfestival.com/
User: Hesitant Meat Receptor | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: Jeez, as they say... those guys who want to say 'jeez'....i truly appreciate your reticence to offend entity that continues to be me. If I seem to be losing focus, it's because I'm, well, losing focus. I had the impression you had said something awfully big, which demanded a response, yet... can't recall what it in fact is, so, please remind moi....
User: Big Fat Imperialist | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: "A new crew in town, (fuck. you're evocative) with a swagger to cruel, and they're fresh in school....."
User: YGK | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: Meat: Captain, Sir, I'm aware of the seriousness in which you speak, and I shall no longer extend the appendage of my gratitude and gratefulness in your direction, in order not to offend. I will withdraw my piece, Meat.
User: Trans-Atlantic Large Ones | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: Molly------- Blow your trans-oceanic drinks-pouring capabilities out to the max immediatement. ("Jack Of Speed" starting, now.)
User: Human Meat Megalomaniac | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: YGK--------- please acknowledge my unseriousness. I didn't mean anything serious when i 'objected' to my 'label'. If I had anything else of import.... well, the rest of my posting just got obliterated, so I have to hope that it wasn't anything too important.
User: Lady Bayside | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: ACK! Well, there's a way to begin a post. I finally had a few minutes to check in and say a quick hello to fellow Danfolks. I might have the post-Halloween blahs. Or maybe it's too much Halloween candy..a chocolate hangover of sorts.
I do have to say that the 'corporate climate' at my current job is far different than my previous...a two-person firm doesn't function as well when one half is on vacation (not this half, unfortunately!). I am swamped.
I know what would pull me out of this slump...tour news!
Okay, I'm not holding my breath.
*sigh*
LB
User: Aussie | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: Daaaaaaaaaaano: Hey mancub. Hope all's well over by you. The "big" day was splendid....spent in Woodstock, NY at a French bed and breakfast....typically stuff that doesn't merit the AusReport-tm. on the yeller. But thanks for asking bud. When you get muellered this weekend, raise a glass for me will ya?
Everybody: Have a phantabulous weekend.
Aus
User: Christa Pulliam Sammons | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: Seeking Donald Fagen,
Luv, your cousin(I think),
Christa
User: YGK | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: Dano: busy, mate, and getting busier......juggling a bit here.......nothing serious - still too cynical......ygk
User: Dano | Month: 10 | Day: 1
Message: Cyn , I am working in Yeovil and Wellington next week staying at The Premierlodge in Taunton next T