| Molly says: | Day: 31
ôBe peaceful and loving my GB friends...ö
In the same breath she says:
ô...pay attention to Clas, he's a sour pussy...ö
---
And Molly baby, you are not allowed to use this fine Yellow Guestbook as a portal to your incoherent rambling about that Mother Goose Kindergarten you call Chat-room.
Watch out, the verdigris reconnaissance patrol is right over your cornfield.
C
| Hey, Bill! | Day: 31
IF you manage to swindle some money out of us poor taxpayers, I know what you could do with them:
Send them to the people of Palestina and the people of Afgahnistan.
You owe them buddy, you owe them, big time.
C
| sharkdeville | Day: 31
re. the SNL shaft....
the reruns are only 60 mins while the program is 90.
some stuff is going to get cut no matter what.
if the musical guest is a relative unknown, chances are they won't make it to syndication.
what a shame about TV!
too bad the dan never played SNL... they probably woulda made the cut.
| June | Day: 31
Dear Ward:
I'm sorry, but the pool guy did such a nice job fixing my liner, I mean, the liner, I just had to repay him...
I'll make it up to you though dearest, now where is my french maid costume - can I borrow it back please from that broker assistant you hired from Vassar?
Kisses,
June
| The Steely Charette Jury | Day: 31
ON BEHALF OF THE VERY APPRECIATIVE MINIONS OF THE GREATER LOYAL DANDOM, THE STEELY CHARETTE JURY BESTOWS SEVERAL AWARDS IN EQUAL ORDER OF OUTSTANDING EXCELLENCE.
To view the entries, as well as the complete award listings, check out http://www.flathat.net/charette (or click on the URL/Homepage link at the top of this post).
A few excerpts:
"My bid is for a colossal 3d corporate logo to dominate the exhibit space, to awe and overwhelm the senses of the masses, to induce fibrillation intoáthe hearts of áthe terminally crusty and strike a blow for common cynicism and succinctness."ùPaul Shotan
"Of course, this studio-replica would have to be equipped with the Maggie-whatever speakers and Bosendorfer piano and all the other highfalutin' equipment they mention so fondly in liner notes and other memoirs (hell, maybe even the dreaded DBX machine that screwed up the 'Katie Lied' tapes should be in there)."ùMiz Ducky
"The Slightly Psychoanalyzed Fictional Steely Dan CollectionàWe have assembled the following fictional items that could be placed in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, all taken from Steely Dan music. While doing so, we found a few (and are sure there are others) fascinating social deviancies and suchlike in the two men most likely responsible for the music of Steely Dan. Although we are highly talented fictional PhD.s, the following notes are based on pure bias and are not intended to cure or diagnose a disease, or to resolve any impending drug company disputes." ùFrank Felder, Ph.D. & Felicia Felder, Ph.D.
"When said Dan Fan stops spinning, the Dan Fan designated as "it" selects an illicit or dubious act as suggested by the particular album wedge that stops in front of her or him. Once the act is performed with or upon the Dan Fan strapped to the lazy Susanà"ù et.al.
Check out http://www.flathat.net/charette (or click on the URL/Homepage link at the top of this post) for full coverage. Look for O. to offer additonal post-deliberation commentary to the press.
Signed,
The Steely Charette Jury
To Design a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Exhibit for Steely Dan
a.k.a MUD!
| W1P | Day: 31
Folks, goodbye for a week. I'm heading straight for Hurricane Alma with my daughter Aja and the rest of the family. I need to drown my sorrows since it appears that my best work has wound up on the "cutting room floor" if you know what I mean. Nothing a bottle of Cabo Wabo, a bucket of Coronas and a basket of fish tacos can't cure.
| rush | Day: 31
Steely Dan? Anyone?
| lcpaul | Day: 31
Bill - you ignoring my question about the Indy 500? Or are you just high on the post-accident adulation being lauded all over you? For fuck's sake.
| Clas @ Lawyers In Love | Day: 31
Bill - do you remember Art Garfunkel? In his famous song ôA heart in Long Islandö he captures the very greed in USA, and managed to put some poetry to the cruelness of your society as well, listen son;
ôA heart in Long Island, a rose on the street,
I write my song to that city heartbeat.
A heart in Long Island, a love in her eye, an open door and a friend for the night.
Long Island, you got money on your mind
and my words won't make a dime's worth a difference, so here's to you Long Island.
Long Island, now my bike is touching downö
Sometimes poetry beats reality, and this is one of those times kid.
C
| Clas @ the Firm | Day: 30
Beerberian - go back to chat... off you go.
Bill - we taxpayers are weighed down man. Be a man, don't blame the state. I won't pay a dollar for someone who's biking around Long Island without the lights on.
---
Brett - my Subtropical Man, may God be with you. Praise the Lord.
C
| Beerberian | Day: 30
Moll; can u do long legged BLONDE ......I've got a JEWEL thang @ mo' LOL
Fingers; I say, jolly good shot, what ? ....pass the G&T Carruthers
Veni Vidi Legici .......I came I saw .........I legged it !
| spots | Day: 30
cashed, ya- but i got it spelled c-a-c-h-e!
The fleshed-out stolen studio stuff still makes me nauseous- not that I'd have it erased...
the other version I've heard is a demo duet [like Caves from Catalyst] which
sounds like an old upright with thumb tacks in the hammers in places if i recall-
I liked that one. maybe a few bars could have been included in the last grooves of
the lp just before the stylus hits the paper label... like the old James Gang record
that says "play me again"/scritch/play me again..."
waxing nostalgic
s
| Jimbo | Day: 30
OK, I don't quite get this.
I rewind the tape for SNL which was on E!. And on the top of the show they Don Pardo mentioned Libby Titus. Then was I fast foward through, no sign of her on stage except at the end of the show.
No performance. Apparently, thanks to the excessive commercials and the editiong on part of E!, the performance of Libby Titus was nowhere to be found.
I am embarrassed over this. I'm sorry about the whole thing. I have never even heard her perform and yet E! gives us the shaft. The show was funny, but no Libby. Yeesh! What's going on? If anyone knows anybody who works at E!, let me know.
Once again, I'm sorry for what was now a missed opportunity.
| Aja..........another 3-day weekend | Day: 30
angel, ole, et al-I learned my 2nd A lines from Bob Tedde, who I believe has a bootleg written copy of the song. Anyway, the line Bob sings is "Cashed in the yellow jag" which goes right along with "I've got my life and laundry in a Gladstone bag", i.e. he's sold his car and has his entire life in one bag as he runs from one ex-lover to the next. What good is a car in New York, anyway?
I'm craving that song live now!
Aja
| Jimbo | Day: 30
Bill- Make sure that the attorney that you hire has not only a college diploma, but...
Three letters of recommendation.
a 95 % success rating in terms of prosecution.
A refusal to take a pittance for a out of court settlement.
and...
A letter from his or her mother stating that your attorney is legit.
Oh, and make sure he or she isn't with the Mafia.
FINAL WARNING:
This is for anyone on the GB:
Libby Titus on SNL tonight at 7pm est, on the E! network.
If you miss it the first time, there will be a repeat at 1 am est.
If you miss it again, pull your hair and kick yourself, or preferably,
rip out a picture of Eminem and throw darts at it. ;)
| Mr. Quick | Day: 30
Tinkerbell, my sweet Tinkerbell!
Can your fragile wings stand the buzz under these Trees?
Your sneeze seems lost in the picking and testosteronicals.
My sex-change hasn't affected my empathy for your gendered kind.
Sorry. Gotto go. My cosmic bearosis acting up again.
Sweet sweet Tinkerbell, you're the fairest!
| W1P | Day: 30
Hello anyone who will be within several hundred miles of San Diego on Saturday, June 1, 2002. On that special night, Rockola will honor the 35th anniversary of the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album by performing it LIVE in its entirety with a little help from a small army of Orchestral and Indian musicians at the California Center for the Arts, Escondido, California. 340 North Escondido Blvd. Tickets are avaiable at the California Center for the Arts Escondido Ticket Office at 1-800-988-4253 or at Ticketmaster (619) 220-TIXS. If you've ever seen Rockola live, then you know that they will do this spot on with the deepest respect possible. Check 'em out http://www.rockola.com
| Gina | Day: 30
Aloha Schwinn/Brett :-)
Cool, Pro Tools!!!!!
Thanks thanks thanks for all your work and effort to keep the GB Flame alive!!!!
Banyan Tree 4Brett Bow,
G.
| Tinkerbell | Day: 30
No no no no
I can't take it no more
I'm tired of waking up on the floor
No thank you please
It always makes me sneeze
You rang?
| Brett Barney | Day: 30
TM2K2 UPDATE!
We've bumped 15 tunes to ProTools and will begin the tweaking over the weekend. This will be a most satisfactory addition to the Guestbook CD library so get your ears ready. The disk should ship at the end of the month and I / St. Al will update you soon as to ordering information.
Submitters include:
Clas
D. Moore
H. Wright
Malcolm Hunter
Ken Vogel
Hutch
Steven Baker
Gina
Ellen Brenner
Roy Scam
Jonas
Pretzel Logic
Your's Truly
Ciao,
BB (Schwinn)
| HOY............................................. | Day: 30
Tinkerbell...you're on
| Jacques Parizeau | Day: 30
You have got to see this site: It has all the rarities regarding Steely Dan!
http://membres.lycos.fr/independance/
Please visit me!
| Bill's bumped his head....LOL | Day: 30
For a little while he was nice...
Glad to see it's wearing off.
NORMAL SERVICE IS NOW RESUMED
Still could be worse..
(could have been my bike)
What that man won't do for some hole...?
| Mock Turtle | Day: 30
http://www.rotteneggs.com/re_egg_display.php3?eggid=1254
Prank involving the Dan. I approve.
| Miz Ducky | Day: 30
Tra-la, tra-la ... in less than twenty-four hours I shall be en route to San Diego again, this time to hear Bob Tedde's Rockola perform "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" live, in its entirety, with a whole herd of orchestral and Indian musicians, plus--this just in--a guest appearance by Mike Keneally. Read all about it at www.rockola.com and www.keneally.com. I am so psyched that even the latest last-minute crisis here at my damfool corporate job cannot possibly put even the tiniest dent in my mood.
/the Mam'zelle
(waiting for them thar frequent flyer miles to start adding up already)
| The Logic Of Clas | Day: 30
Walter Becker must have stepped out in front of that taxicab
on purpose. What some people wont do to file a lawsuit aye?
| Bill | Day: 30
Thanks Fez,
I'll do that. GE also gave his number and said he'd give me a
few pointers on this kind of thing. BTW, nice to see a post
from you. :)
Steveedan,
Thanks bro, sounds like good advice. So how is Gotham City
doing these days?
Clas,
Well Clas, you're a dumbass as usual...
Sure, I want to crash a six-week old motorcycle that cost me
13 grand, along with a set of $650 Vance & Hines headers that
I just installed two days prior, chipped my elbow and broke 3 ribs,
just to file a lawsuit against a state agency which probably has
all the laws heavily wieghted in it's favor. I'm sure that sounds
logical to you, coming from where your coming from, but unlike you
I don't need the money asshole! BITE ME!
| WTF?! | Day: 30
re post 1955: Clas, what could this lawsuit possibly have to do with you? You are not a taxpayer here or possibly anywhere else. Bill will hire an attourney at his own expense, or the DOT of New York will pay for it in the end - both ways.
Am quite certain if you were in the same situation you would not hesitate to do the same, irregardless of who footed the bill.
Back off Bucko!
| angel | Day: 30
Howard: Thanks for your interpretation on the mumbled instructions. It works for me. By the way, I spent my lunch hour yesterday checking out what is new on your site. :-)
Did check Broberg's site and yes, his lyric on 2nd Arrangement has smashed. I don't say it is correct, it is just what was there and what I ended up memorizing.
Better hold your seat if you can
cause it left your ass.... LOL
| Steveedan | Day: 30
Clas - I saw the First Star Wars (Episode IV) right when it came out in my senior year of high school. With a little research and math you can learn of my approximate age (or slice me open like a tree and count my rings ...). One of my favorite movies is Orson Welles' Citizen Kane which came out 18 years before I was born - another hint for you.
Fingers Shotan and Co. - go and get 'em Squire! Man you guys have a lot of gigs. Keep up the good work.
Bill, I agree that you should get a few referrals from people you respect (who might have had a similar type of legal action) and interview them all, then decide on one and go get the idiots!
Howard - I haven't checked out the New Frontier stuff as thoroughly as I would like to but I will and get back to you here. Thanks for your opinions on the songs from the newer Gaucho out takes. I plan to lean Kulee Baba. It reminds me a little of Gershwin - at least the piano/rhodes/vocals demo does.
Great parody of the "If you got the bear, or the bear's got you" song.
Snakehips - great "Marital case study". I am getting a lot of milage out of that one.
Gotta go, the shop called ... my speeder is ready.
Stevee(Je)D(i)an
| YGK | Day: 30
Hey Aus: can you believe this stuff?
I like my Coffee.....
ygk
| Gina | Day: 30
Aha! The Emperor of Parody
i bow to thee,
:-) G.
| fezo | Day: 30
Bill: don't pick a p.i. attorney out of the yellow pages or based on who has the flashiest television ad. do pick a p.i. attorney based on the recommendations of friends and co-workers.
i'm wondering how much immunity the Department of Transportation in New York has from such suits since they are a public entity. i don't practise in New York so I personally have not a clue. that's a good first question for your attorney. or maybe second question after you find out his or her cut.
good luck!
| Howard | Day: 30
angel - I saw the lyrics for 2nd arrangement and Kulee Baba on a site some time ago, probably the Broberg site, but noticed quite a few typos - that's to say I heard things quite differently to what was on the site.
I need to listen again to check, but I thought the Kulee Baba lines "dancing in the fold", "mix with the mob", "Hello broadway" and "so long for now" were the same on both versions? I could be wrong...
I reckon the opening line is "My nom de voyage is ..." After that, not sure - Mexuine? McSween? (as someone on the blue suggested)
The mumbling between lines is Donald asking the engineer to alter the vocal level, presumably for his headphone mix.
At 1:28 "turn my voice down"
at 2:12 "turn my voice down more"
at 2:59 "OK, bring my voice up now a little bit"
Howard
| Dennis | Day: 30
Robert: Do you really like this site...or are you just trying to get clients?
| | Day: 30
Sir I parked my Yamaha in your plates
1500 miles, upped insurance rates
Motorcycle spun but I've done just fine
You just can't ride straight with a brain entwined
There's the bare asphalt or the sand
Better pick it fast
Better hold your seat if you can
'cause it left your ass
I'm afraid some voodoo spell
Brought on this living hell
All you got to bear
Sugabear got you
Ride this Kawasaki past the counter line
Paint me up with lube and I'll be just fine
Lawyer quick-fix flown for the cause up soon
Someone must be hinting at a newfound loot
| Clas | Day: 30
Bill, my man, are you really going to file a lawsuit and let us taxpayers pay for your blunder?
| FINGERS | Day: 30
PLUG PLUG PLUG
THE DANNY STEEL ORCHESTRA:
The UK's most exciting 12-piece tribute to Steely Dan
are back in Olde Londone Towne this weekend with an appearance on
SATURDAY JUNE 1ST at
The Backdoor Club at
The Torrington
4 Lodge Lane / High Street
North Finchley
London
N12
It's always a great atmosphere here but it can always get better....by YOUR personal appearance....ok?
See ya there..2 hours of The Dan, LIVE and cheap!!!!!
www.dannysteelorchestra.co.uk
BEERBERIAN
Good that you got the pack ok......good luck with your mission to the heathen masses! Cheers, much appreciated by all in the band.
| angel | Day: 30
Did I wake up a thread.... :-)
Ole: Yes, I heard Coach of 6, too, but after all the future sounding stuff in other lyrics, I was not sure if I should mention it.
Blaise and I have been working on that first line in Kulee. Let me rephrase that, Blaise has an idea and it makes more sense to me, then what is on Broberg's site. It goes something like "I'm on the voyage next week". With a mispronunciation of the word "voyage". Works better then My nom-de-vage is Mexuine.
Smashed, Cashed, Stashed. Hmmmm.... Funny how the all work and give a different interpretation to the line. I thought I got it from Broberg's site, but don't feel like checking right now. It takes forever to load at home. :-)
Howard: I noticed those changes too. I also show "We'll mix with the mob" instead of I'll mix with the mouth. "So long for now" instead of It's a long finale, "Hello Broadway" instead of hell on Broadway and (Blaise) "dancing in the fall" instead of dancing on the fold.
Can anyone catch what Donald is mumbling after some of the lines? The one at 1:28 in after beholding? On the one at 2:11 in after owe you one, I hear (something like) "that goes there" on the one after the chorus at 2:59 in, I hear "turn my voice UP high" Instructions for the recording from Donald, or instructions from the self absorbed big producer of "reality" TV? Fascinating stuff.
Snakehips: Kulee Baba reminds me so much of V's show. Jet setting all around the world for the next big third world thing. :-)
| Bill | Day: 30
Well it looks like I'm going to have to file a lawsuit against
the New York State D.O.T. over this accident thing. Any suggestions
on how to pick a good personal injury attorney for this?
"Drive the coach at six for the county line,
Point me towards the tube and I'll be just fine..."
| Howard | Day: 30
I hear "Stashed in the yellow Jag" too for the 2nd arrangement line.
One of the (many) interesting things that come to light from listening to those new Gaucho outtakes is the insight into the way the lyrics are reworked and honed.
You can compare "Blind That Day" with "Third World Man" - obviously a major reworking of the lyrics, yet there are many words and phrases that are kept. D+W have said before how they choose lyrics for their sound as well as their meaning. The phrases that made it from "Blind" To "Third World Man" ("Smokey Sunday", "your disguise", "(bright) eyes", "I saw the fireworks") give a nice view of this in action.
The changes made in Kulee Baba are interesting too:
"frightening finale" vs. "cruel primieval rite"
"a bash in Cameroon" vs. "a bash in New Orleans"
"telecast" vs. "broadcast"
I like "telecast" from the full band version, but "cruel primieval rite" and "a bash in New Orleans" from the piano demo somehow sound better than the alternatives that were used in the full band version. Maybe they wanted a place name that was further from home, so create a more exotic feel, and that's why they tried "Cameroon"...
Howard
| lcpaul | Day: 30
Molly - Yeah, Little Feat were never the same after Lowell's demise. Still good though. Would love to see them live.
I got hold of The Blessing CD again recently. Some beautifully crafted songs off "Prince Of The Deep Water", especially "Hurricane Room".
Now, about this chat issue. Two things. I tried before but couldn't crack it for reasons I can't remember. But I will try again. The other issue is the time difference. If I'm not mistaken, you live in Kentucky, no? The home of KFC, yes? And I live in Cape Town, where the time now is precisely 12.30pm. Compare with time at the bottom of this post. Maybe there is a good crossover time. Let me know.
Now you mention you're a redhead. And I have reputation with redheads. Need I say more?:}
Bill - who won the Indy 500 on Sunday? There were two South Africans tipped to win! Tomas Scheckter and Adri Luyendijk. No coverage down South.
Over and out from the only GBer from the African continent.
| Clas @ W | Day: 30
For THE record:
The lyrics says:
"Drink, you big black cow..."
C
| Edd Boat | Day: 30
For the record: Black Cow is a drink, not a cow.
| Clas @ W | Day: 30
Yeah, right. Could that be Steely Dan related, your last post Meg?
Cows? Black?
| Meg Ryan | Day: 30
Oh Clas, I don't know anything about happiness.
Cows are happy.
| Clas | Day: 30
But you're not happy Meg?
| Meg Ryan | Day: 30
Clas! It was StAl who said that. He also said; we're also human.
| Robert | Day: 30
Hey great site. I have been looking for a good steely dan site. Thanks for all the info. Check out my site if you have a minute.
| Beerberian | Day: 30
Gig Report ; Jewel Manc Apollo 29th May ..........
Talent & Beauty personified - we have so much in common LOL - A two and a half hour ride on the rollercoaster of music styles . The lady can rock you one minute and then tear out your heart the next ! and she even looks good in bandages ......If you ever get the chance to see her do yourself and your soul a favour JFDI ! She can "save" my soul anyday ....obviously she'll have to buy it back from Mr Lou Cipher first !!
Fingers; Got the "package" from Martin will attempt to convert the unbelievers with it ASAP
| Clas @ Work | Day: 29
Starwars?
Steeve, how old are you?
Who said that gringos are Fat, Dumb & Happy?
C
| Great! | Day: 29
Starwars. Beautiful.
| I Saw it at the Maul | Day: 29
I went to see the new Star Wars film at a great theatre. Huge screen, super comfy seats, and lots of chocolate and Cokes ...
What an unbelievable movie! I have never seen anything as visually boffo as this film. I am still dizzy from it. I was overloaded (not loaded ... stopped that 17 months ago ... rats ...) from the effects of massive scene, after massive scene, after massive scene. I figure that the 20 year olds who worked the computer graphics on this movie aged 60 years. So at 24 they should be receiving pensions and preparing for burial.
Yes, what I suspected regarding Sen. Palpatine = the Evil Emperor = D. Sidious was supported in this movie, but it was not blatently explained or exposed. You still have to be observant (and with the massive digital density of the special effects, obsorbant too) of the subtle clues left throughout the film.
Angel - Wuthering Heights, and the classic Romeo and Juliet this film wasn't. The love scene(s) and eventual marriage simply set up the story for some of the main characters in the first 3 released SW films (Episodes Iv, V, and VI) - Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia. but, Natalie Portman did look fit and showed off a fine looking midriff ...
I don't know why the critics panned this film. It is exciting (OK, it's a little long, and the love scenes, well, aren't all that love-ly), there is so much to look at, and there were at least half a dozen times when I just thought that the effects were beyond incredible. If you don't like science fiction though, why are you still reading my post?
My favorite part was that remake of the song Send In The Clones.
Stevee(R2-D)an(2)
| Jimbo | Day: 29
VCR ALERT
Today at 7pm on E!, Saturday Night Live from 1977 featuring host Hugh Hefner and special musical guest Libby Tutus.
Finally anyone who hasn't hear Mrs. Fagen singing will get the chance.
| oleander...............................o-town | Day: 29
angel--Boston? maybe--there are lots of b-towns, Brooklyn, Babylon, Barry-.... Or maybe compared to the A-town of New York, anyplace is a B-town....
Aja--I hear it as "Stashed in the yellow Jag," since he goes on to say, "I've got my life and laundry in a Gladstone bag." So many ways to hear things....
jason--no, I missed that one, though I heard about it.... Is it worth reading, then? Say, how about if we all take turns sending you mp3's of our very most favorite jazz tunes? Maybe that would be a more efficient search method.
Blaise--I feel sure you've done this already, but a juggernaut is an implacable force, thing, or belief that crushes all before it. It comes from the Hindi jaganath, which is a god made from one of Krishna's bones when his spirit split, and also the huge sixteen-wheeled cart with a Krishna idol on it which is pulled by hundreds of devotees. The legend is that as it rolled unstoppably on, some devotees threw themselves under the wheels to be crushed. This may be apocryphal. A coach and six is a coach pulled by six horses, like a stagecoach. Mr. Quick, as opposed maybe to Mr. Dead?
| Original Lester | Day: 29
Chancellor Palpatine= Darth Sidious= The Emperor
Star Wars buffs knew this already, but your main clue in Episode I is the fact that Darth Sidious is spending all his time on Coruscant, telling the Trade Federation that he will bog down the Senate in procedures. He is actually seen on Coruscant in his conversation with Darth Maul.
For those who find this whole SW thing not worth discussing in the GB, all I can tell you is that a new CD or tour, or any freakin' hint of either, would certainly turn my focus to the Dan.
OL
| Molly | Day: 29
St.Al, I've pretty well told everyone out in Banyanland that I want "it"!!
Oh you meant....lol lol
| StAl | Day: 29
>StAl's mailing list doesn't really work...
Does too!
Been away for a couple 3-4 days. No time to catch-up. If you've addressed me in a recent post and I did not respond, I wasn't ignoring you. Just been away...
...At the very successful Sasquatch Festival this weekend at the Gorge. It was completely sold out. As crowded as I've ever seen the Gorge. Worse than Steely Dan, Further Festival and Phish in 1998 (not 1999 or 2000). And not a single major act on the bill.
WOMAD has been cancelled this year. Boo hoo. Apparently there was a problem locating a sponsor as well as arranging for visas for all the performers in this post 9/11 climate. That leaves me with only Bruce Hornsby at Zoo Tunes this year. Overall, a shitty Summer in the NW for music.
Bill: Here's what you do...Ramble on down to your local supermarket and grab yourself a shopping cart. Then, wheel said shopping cart up to the main office of the NY State Transportation Department and tell 'em to fill it with cash.
Molly: I can help you but you've got to want it...
Computers are not smarter than you. Garbage in, garbage out. The computer is your friend. Take control NOW!
| Aja..............another park, another Sunday | Day: 29
angel-re: the lyrics you quoted from 2nd A: "Smashed in a Yellow Jag". Actually the line is "Cashed in the yellow jag" but what you heard works really well, too! Sorta like an interviewer of Becker and Fagen who told them instead of hearing "call me Deacon Blues" he heard "call me deconfused". Becker and Fagen decided they liked his version better.
Beautiful, sunny day today. "Almost Gothic" and "Jack of Speed" go really well on bright spring days.
Aja
| Jake Fleder | Day: 29
If you like Steely Dan I think you'll like my new album, NEW FRONTIER. You can hear samples at my site: jakefleder.com. So many people are reminded of Steely Dan I had to do this. And when I wrote the title track I wasn't aware of their song of the same title. But it's good music with some amazing musicians joining me. Hope you enjoy... Jake...
| UPDATE | Day: 29
StAl's mailing list dosen't really work.....But ''Hey'' it looks good on paper...LOL
| Molly | Day: 29
Show biz kids makin movies of themselves...
That song always brings Billy Bob Thornton and Angelina Jolie to mind for me...Kinda makes ya wonder about what inspired Fagen & Becker don't it?
Jason, I enjoy reading your posts! There is really no congruent thread here in Banyanland. You're doing fine.... Check out Jerry Harrison, (formerly of Talking Heads) Casual Gods. Some of the songs lend themselves to Sci-fi. All that passion and fury set to kinda funked up dance music.Warren Zevon had out a CD titled Transverse City, that has a futuristic theme...and for some reason I've always thought some of Ry Cooder's stuff sounds kinda sci-fi oriented. Wasn't trying to insult you by earlier recommendations of lighter jazz. I grew up listening to Coltrane, Billie Holliday ect... Sometimes I just like listening to the simpler music.
St.Al i'm still having problems with my computer. I can't get on the mailing list, the help page for chat is in computer chinese....lol. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
well off to fight the good fight
be peaceful and loving M.
| angel | Day: 29
Spent some time in the archives of recent past, not to be confused with the deep past, the profound past.... :-)
Hey Ole: If you go with your interpretation of Were you Blind that Day, the line would be "B Town" for Boston.
Other random thoughts:
The guy in Kulee really reminds me of the weirdo in the 2nd Arrangement. Smashed in a Yellow Jag - - sounds a lot like my suit is a bright Irish green, the color and cut are striking. Same primping guy saying these things.
Kulee is part 2 of Showbiz Kids. Even more appropriate now, in the age of Survivor, then when they wrote the song 25 years ago.
| As seen on the Blue.. | Day: 29
Yeah, what is that?
http://www.fnac.com/Shelf/article.asp?PRID=1292075&SID=BE32452A%2D1BF6%2D3C36%2DF06F%2DBD047D8C47F9&UID=&AID=&Origin=FnacAff&Pe=1&No=1&Fr=0&Mn=5&Ra=-3&To=0
| Beerberian | Day: 29
LP?Bill ;I assume the edge of harder stuff would be proportional to how prominent the Geeeetars are ?
| lp | Day: 29
define "harder stuff"...
| Bill | Day: 29
Ok where was I before I was almost dead?
Oh yeah! The future direction of Steely Dan. Ok, I'm not saying
that I don't like the later-model, jazzy, laid-back version of
thier music, all I'm saying is that they should at least remain
true to thier roots with a couple of harder songs here and there.
I mean when do I get another song that matches up to "FM" or
"Don't Take Me Alive"? I did'nt get it on Nightfly, I did'nt
get it on Kamakiriad, I saw flashes of it on 11TOW, and I
did'nt get it on 2VN. So when do we get some harder stuff then?
When huh?
| wt | Day: 29
angel - is the topic of discussion Star Wars?
maybe Lucas should heed Yoda's advice
"Just because you have the power, use it, you must not"
those were love scenes? jar jar binks had more amore with a battle droid
"meesa gonna be getting some lubbin ookie day?"
yes mu, dan music reminds me of the original bar scene from star wars IV
going to see Jonathan Richmond again monday ...
| angel | Day: 29
Mu: Vacation! That is why you have been scarce. Yes, Star Wars does have beautiful computer generated landscapes, I forgot to mention that.
Another thing I forgot to mention was that the love scenes left me totally cold. I am starting to believe that an entire generation will have no role model, regarding what is erotic. Spiderman had the same problem. Sigh....
| TOUR NEWS!!! | Day: 28
Jackson Browne will tour with
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
on the following dates:
August 6th
Ice Palace
Tampa, FL
Tickets on sale June 1st, 10 AM, through Ticketmaster
Did you hear that Q?
| Stevee-Wide-Dan | Day: 28
Greetings Dr. Mu - on Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut, I must say that I was a bit disappointed by it, but I thought that the performances of Cruise, Kidman, and Pollick were quite good. They melded into the Kubrick-esque landscape quite well, but, possibly, everyone who has ever been in a Kubrick film has no choice but to do that. There is no mistaking the fact that visually this could ONLY be a Kubrick film. Even just the way that he instructs the camera to move through a scene is unmistakably Kubrick. I can understand why this film must have been a groaner for a lot of people, but I must admit that I have seen this film in bits and pieces on cable at least a dozen times.
The film was not as much creepy as it was cold and eerie. Another thing that Kubrick is great at creating. I don't profess to really understand fully what Kubrick tried to do in his films, but there is an open-ended flavor to most of his films that is not unlike the interpretive vagueness of THE LYRICS OF STEELY DAN (There! Got the reference in ...).
So, in Star Wars, is Sidious the same as the evil Emperor? Yes, no?
Steveedan-Walker
| mumumumumumumumu - on the road again | Day: 28
Just cheking in...man, PCs bite. not even a symbol of the man I once knew..
Underestimate the Critics Star Wars II have...The Digital lanscape is incredible. Tight movie like V (Empire Strikes Back)...maybe best for potential detractors st to imagine if the other movies never existed...
I may or may not be a minority report, but finally saw Eyes Wide Shut last night...many times during the viewing it's "what the fuck it that" "really creepy." But Tom Cruise's Bill Surreal Excellent Adventure ends up re-centered on the moral core of the character...lucky to be alive indeed...spouse and I are shaprly divided, but I thought EWS was surprisingly brilliant, and what seemed gratuitous is now structure
...kinda the opposite of Artificial Intelligence where you pull for the Peter Pan android, but the movie fizzles into a morass of unfinished equations and morality...Kubrick was a mentor of sorts on AI and minority Report visually also reeks of Kubrick as did AI...I'm curious, but not optimistic...
| Bill | Day: 28
Thanks for all your kind words,
You people are actually pretty nice. Maybe I don't belong here
after all...lol!
(You did'nt think that you would get rid of me that easily did you?)
;)
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 28
Jimbo....thanks for the tip on SNL....I'll either watch it or tape it.
| username | Day: 28
chat?
| jason | Day: 28
hey, why won't they let me post under a pseudonym, when everybody else does? My creativity is being stifled, damn it. I get an asterisk, and am told i haven't entered a name when i have.
o l e a n d e r--- i'm on the talking books program, owing to nasty eye thing. "St. Leibowitz and the Wild Horse Woman", the sequel, came out in '97 or so, even though that must be around the time Walter Miller died. It might have been finished for him. It's very good too, but isn't about nuclear war really. It's set in the middle era from the first book, more or less. Read it? I get the feeling i'd have gotten a lot more out of both books if i had a clue as to the contents of the bible. This would also help me get around the town i live in without a map, also, since it started as a religious colony, and the street names are all out of the Bible.
I love being weirded out. It's what i live for, really. You should see two or three particular issues of my pseudo-publication, "Notes From Oblivion", and you'd never be concerned about my possibly being weirded out ever again.
In addition to wanting referrals on Dan's musical jazzy brethren, i wanted clues as to Dan-like acts in terms of content/attitude, as well. This question has been partially answered before i had a chance to ask it, via all the Zevon talk.
"Ambient" is too dignified a term for the SD muzak one hears i think. They're following me around, too. Tomorrow's Girls used to run every other time (the real recording) at my grocery store, and even "Any World" popped up at a Walgreens. Too many instances to even mention. As for muzak, the most entertaining example was a "lite", breezy, soothing-to-the-point-of-being-maddening rendition of "Don't Take Me Alive" i heard once in a drug store. If only it had had lush, crazy, muzakkie voices singing the lyrics. That would have been perfect. I've sometimes imagined that possibility in my head, and almost laughed out loud. (Try it.)
I had the impression i'd skidded into a ditch in my attempts to mingle here. Maybe not.
| Yahoo! | Day: 28
http://www.photoshopcontest.com/
http://www.whatsbetter.com/
these sites are hilarious!
| Yahoo! | Day: 28
http://www.photoshopcontest.com/
http://www.whatsbetter.com/
these sites are hilarious!
| Jimbo | Day: 28
Original Lester- Saw Episode 2 twice. Like you I think some critics misunderstood the movie and that the fact that Darth Sidious was behind this madness. Maybe they'll be surprised tho find out that Palpatine was Sidious. OOOOH, they'll be shocked. I plan to see it tommorrow again, especially to see Yoda kick ass.
| Jimbo | Day: 28
Bill- Glad to hear you're doing well. Even if we disagreed as we did last week, I still think you're ok. OK? ;)
Anywho, THIS MESSAGE IS TO EVERYONE ON THE G.B.
Those of you who have E! on your cable or satellite provided, check this out.
On Thursday at 7 pm, there will be an episode of Saturday Night Live featuring, my role model, Hugh Hefner and as special musical guest, MRS. FAGEN AKA LIBBY TITUS. The episode, taped in 1977, features the classic SNL lineup, but you already knew that.
So if you do have plans that night, get you VCRs or DVD recorders set up for this one.
Has anyone heard or own any Libby Titus LPs? If so, how does she sound and how would you describe her music? I have never even heard her on
the net.
That's SNL ON E! at 7 pm thursday.
Remember you've been warned.
| Beerberian | Day: 28
All; Apologies for earlier outburst ........I wrote, he wrote, she wrote, whatever !!!!! Dangers of posting after a stressed out day au travaille - mebbe ?? Is this a space for freedom of expression? and as for .. correcting my grammar/punctuation ...... I ask you ...... stuff a mushroom ...would you? - Yoda Lives
McBoys; Would it kill you to wish the English good luck? Go on prove me wrong (Best World Cup Goal Archie Gemmell - you know the one)
I have an AWB 12incher on clear vinyl "pick up the pieces" nice vibe - Anybody remember James B's retort AABB ? "Blues & Soul 75ish?
I Have NEVER met Napoleon .......Is he French ?
| Guys I'm telling you........... | Day: 28
When you want hot,sweaty, wild monkey sex.....Warren's the man to play.
| Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 28
Hello everyone! I hope you had a good weekend. I was laid up with a sports injury. So no climbing, spelunking,running or even volleyball with the kids....To everyone I talked with in chat, THANKS!!!! I would have felt pretty sorry for myself if left to my own designs. Did manage to get a lot of work done too. lol
Duncan, it was nice hearing from you and Mrs. Duncan. You can belay for me anytime!
Beerberian, can I still just call you BB? and of course it was good! Hope to talk with you soon.
lcpaul, panties on the way! Threw in a lace bra as well. I'm going to see Little Feat! They are playing in Louisville in June. Won't be the same without L George....but still looking forward to it. Are you sure you wouldn't trade that blonde tramp in for a long legged redhead? :) Would like to talk with you sometimes, come into chat... we usually have a good time.
Bill, glad you're ok!
Bluz, keep the faith!
Mick, thinking of you!!! Hope all is well. Talk soon?
Drew, yes about Alabama, but only if I can be partners with you or Terry. Call me later tonight or tomorrow. I'll leave my cell on. :) We're still on for El Paso?
Got some of my work in the Stained Glass show they're doing.
ST AL, You're still the best looking man I've seen!
| Miz Ducky | Day: 28
Hiya, Oleander--
When I first read "ESL Toodle-oo" in your post #1888, my brain insisted on processing it as "English as a Second Language Toodle-oo." My brain's weird that way.
/the Mam'zelle
(who doubts anyone is surprised to hear that her brain is weird in any way)
P.S. Bill--glad you're still in one piece (more or less).
| bad_sneakers | Day: 28
Dano
I heard about the AWB but am away on another jaunt at the moment - Southside Johnny I saw at Knebworth in 1979 with Zeppelin - They were dynamite (if I remember !?!)
Anyway we're doing the summer festival circuit (last week pinkpop Holland, Finsbury park then Glastonbury etc before back to Europe for the summer rounds) so I'm too busy for DSO but I promise - This year sometime ! Enjoy it anyway - They sound impressive in the MP3s I've heard so far.
Still wish we were in Japan though man - just have to make do with Iceland in Oct (booked !!)
Cheers - By the way have you ever tasted Addlestones cider ??? feck moi !!!
| fezo | Day: 28
the Average White Band is still around? Good Lord. They lost a drummer in a Charlottesville hotel pool way back before even my days.
moving forward to my days . . . Mu, the woman in question turned me on to the Violent Femmes, Ramones, and that ilk. Zevon didn't phase her
George Lucas should have stopped after The Empire Strikes Back.
St Al, from many weeks ago, thanks for pulling me out of my Last Waltz funk. i went home that night, watched the video for the 999th time, and rediscovered the joy of it all.
Still think Robbie is a prick though
| Dano | Day: 28
Sneakers , went to see Scotlands finest last night Average White Band , them white boys sure had some soul.And also found out Southside Johny are performing in September!! Yahooooooo counting the days, the white soul boys are looking good for the summer.
Duncan , how many partys do you want to go to this summer?? you will be worn out mancub,but give me a nod if theres any where i can crash out??
lcpaul , are definate on the big bird!!
Fingers , Yam awright for the office party mate.
Got to go missus is giving me earache..........
Dano.
| May The Farce Be With Yoooo... | Day: 27
Thank you OB-1 Kah-Lester !
Yoda-Dan
| Original Lester | Day: 27
I know I've discussed the virtues of Caetano Veloso before, but I have since purchased his most recent studio release, Noites Do Norte. This has to be his best album of all. Fantastic stuff, with quality songwriting, and a range of styles showing Caetano's awesome versatility. The lyric sheet has English translations. Don't let a language barrier deter you from some of the best music ever made.
As for Episode II, I have to see it again, but on first viewing I give thumbs up. I've come to conclude that those who don't like Episodes I and II pretty much don't understand the story. Once you realize everything that happens is the manipulation of Darth Sidious, it all makes sense, and the movies are a lot more interesting. Yoda is a badass mofo, that we all seem to agree on. Effects were awesome, my favorite being the seismic detonators released from Slave I.
Uptown baby, Uptown baby
| oleander | Day: 27
Bill--Jeez, when my medical mind thinks what coulda happened to you.... Glad the bear didn't get you....
Molly--No sweat.
jason--[double take]--you HEARD "Canticle for Leibowitz"? I just reread it a year or two ago. Would you care to explain? Re jazz--I feel sure there is a tune out there that is just lying in wait for you, with just the right amount of emotion to bring you in but not weird you out. Our suggestions probably won't help much.
Mu--You have got me ready to run directly to the next Zevon.
fezo--good to see you.
Hank--ANOTHER mille fois merci.
More ambient Dan: "ESL Toodle-oo" this am over coffee. When I start finding them in the crossword puzzle I'll get REALLY worried.
| Bill | Day: 27
Hey Y'all,
Thanks to everyone for your concern, I'm fine.
Actually, I was out riding again today with no mishaps (fingers
crossed). My elbow may be chipped, my ribs may be broken, and
my ankle may hurt like hell, but when the time is right to ride
then the time is right to ride....ride on!
AMAZINGLY, after giving the bike a very close going over, it
appears to have only superficial damage. Should cost less than
2 grand to fix. Is that a testimony to the engineering that
Honda put into this bike? I believe so. Still, I the jury is
still out on the front forks as I don't have the proper jig
to test them. I'll drop the bike off to the Honda dealer
tommorrow and get the final verdict on that. After taking
the bike out for a 50 mile ride today it seems to track fine
so maybe everything is ok (again, fingers crossed).
I just feel very fortunate to be alive today, and it just goes
to show that no matter how much experience you have at something,
you can't always account for the actions of dumbasses. I've been
riding motorcycles since 1978 and have ridden various bikes from
coast to coast over the years and have never run into anything
as stupid as I ran into Friday night. I can only hope that I
never do again.
Peace to all and thanks for your concern,
Bill
| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 27
hey, what did i miss?
nmn - were you up? it was so incredibly beautiful
the older i get, the more i appreciate spring - the layers of green is mind boggling - so much promise - renewal, commencement...
after so many years of life beginnning in the fall with life around the academic year, at 37, i can finally feel broken free after 16 years - lol - the brashness and precociousness of fall, still something to look forward to, but the electricity of spring's take on the color green fantastic, wow
menu included a breton butter cake with a grand marnier strawberry sauce on top - hubby's b-day is this week
music included a few plays of norah jones, gaucho, katy lied, 93 show (unnamed source), lucinda williams, jonathan richmond, stacey earle, beth orton, bob dylan, neil young (can you be in vermont without neil or bob?), rem, cake - good music for sure
| Bloody Well Right | Day: 27
The British contingent on this guest book is becoming mighty. Welcome to you all. In this medium, other than the time difference, it's like having you over for a nice chat in the living room. Why, it's downright upright !
Stevee(GodSaveTheQueen)Dan
| Duncan | Day: 27
BEERBERIAN: good choice... welcome aboard.
Molly: always a pleasure.
WJAZ: went ok today.. Although there is something strange about seeing you're own father cry..:(
Strange dayz indeed..
Bill: you did'nt mention the damage to the bike ? is she OK ?
lcpaul: Bowie playing in UK this summer Wed 10th July Manchester..see you there ?
Attack of the Clones...Reports please ( i had to cancell our viewing on Sat as Linda had an appointment with a sunbed....!!!!!!! )
Trip to US back on...FlaDave & Dragon..standbye for details
see ya soon
Fungers Swotan... any more gigs planned up this way soon ?
| W1P | Day: 27
Robert Horry
| Robert | Day: 27
This shot nearly tore the roof off my house at our Memorial Weekend BBQ! Oh, and by the way, Which One's Pink?
| BEERBERIAN (the artist formerly known as Berberian) | Day: 27
Stevee ; Like it I shall use with pride (tear in the eye)
| Roll Out The Burgie ... We'll have a barrel of fun | Day: 27
Berberian (the artist formerly known as Burton Brewer) -
I like it, but I have a suggestion. Since you are in the Beer brewing biz, or at least a Beer brewing burg, and you found Cathy Berberian in Your Gold Teeth, how about combining them into ...
BEERBERIAN ...
Wot d'ya think Governor?
Stevee(Toastmeister)dan
| Dragon | Day: 27
Bill -- I hope you heal quickly and that your pain is minimal.
| Berberian (the artist formerly known as Burton Brewer) | Day: 27
Dano/Figers oops now it's stuck ; Which one then ? - The nurse did for me !!!
| Dano | Day: 27
That should be Fingers ,still suffering from the sauce at the weekend.
| Dano | Day: 27
Figers , The Raddish likes the Dan ,then he trys to top himself, had me in stitches for the whole night??
| Berberian (the artist formerly known as Burton Brewer) | Day: 26
GB'ers I fancy a name change to fit in with the SD theme so here it is BERBERIAN Does it suit me ?
Fingers I too (SG of this parrish) delighted in the AW Pet ref .....I chuckled into my Coors Light
"The Cuervo Gold
The fine Columbian
Make tonight a wonderful thing... hic
I love Steely Dan
I really LOVE Steely Dan" slurred Barry The Brummie
| Clas | Day: 26
MC - I know only about 5% of Photoshop, more familjSr with those "vector-graphic"-programs as Corel Draw and such.
"...just used quick mask and 'painted' the areas I wanted to apply the filter to and 'erased' me."
I must check that out.
C
| Fingers | Day: 26
All UK'ers......anyone catch tonight's "Auf Wiedersein Pet"? Brummie Barry, pissed as a fart, downing a Cuervo Gold in an Arizona bar.......with a HEFTY mention of The Dan!!!...Made my night...sad Git!
| Duncan | Day: 26
don't bother
| Tough | Day: 26
cool site check out mine :)
| Duncan | Day: 26
MC: Ohh Ohh : Drunk in charge of an adobe photoshop....Again ?
| MC | Day: 26
When the Officer says "Gee Son....Your eyes look red, have you been drinking?" You probably shouldn't respond with,"Gee Officer, your eyes look glazed, have you been eating doughnuts?"
| BB ....A Fool | Day: 25
Only I would say that : You know I shouldn't be THIS pissed (USA I don't mean annoyed, teed off or whatever) @ half 3 in the pm ..... asynchronous chatting ('nother good name for a band ?) is obviously a BAD thing
| Burton (hic) Brewer | Day: 25
And the crowd goes wild ..........forgiv e me if my tipping is slurrrred it's been a LONG day
| Fingers | Day: 25
I know I'm late in this one..been REALLY tied up with the mundane and dreary all week.
Buddy plug coming...........
Wishbone Ash have been touring the UK recently to mark the 30th anniversary of Argos...got some great crowds apparently. My main point is to help out a good muso buddy of ours ..Alan Cottrell in his new venture Ashbone-U-Wish. They're the only "official" trib to Wishbone in the UK, recently set up they've done a great job of bringing line-ups MKI & II to the Brit live scene again......and they're so damned good ..Martin Turner joined them on stage a few weeks back! If you're into W.A. and want to keep hearing their stuff performed LIVE after they've slipped back into hibernation...go see A-U-W (www.ashboneuwish.co.uk). You won't be disappointed!
BURTON
Some of those Dan tracks I ain't even HEARD of before!!!! Nice one matey!
I'll email more later ...ok? Got some "goodies" myself hot from San Fran this week...will share once I hear what's what. Glynn's booked and buzzing ready for Fibbers at York...great to hear you're coming too...meet up with Dano and Duncan....most excellent serendipity!...AND the DSO will try to do it a la 2vN DVD ....all girlie whirly!!!
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 25
Bill....helluva way to get a vacation....just take it easy and get better....glad to hear you weren't hurt worse than you were.
Clas....it really wasn't that hard to mask the photo....just used quick mask and "painted" the areas I wanted to apply the filter to and "erased" me....quick as a snap!
have a safe and happy Memorial Day weekend to all you USA types.
MC
| Bill...Only 8 lives left | Day: 25
Hi Y'all,
Well, I'm still alive....barely.
Was riding home on my motorcycle last night around 11pm when I hit
a somewhat large hole in the middle of Sunrise Highway here on
Long Island.
This hole turned out to be an improperly installed traffic signal
box (a large steel box which holds all the electronics for the
traffic light system). As you might suspect, these boxes are
supposed to be installed so that they are flush with the roadway,
this box was placed 6 inches below the roadway and was simply
left that way by our illustrious New York State Department of
Transportation "professionals".
Fortunately, I was only going about 35 miles per hour. Still, it
was dark and I could'nt really make out that the hole was as
large or deep as it was until I was right up on it. All I could
do was brace for the impact.
The bike entered the hole and catapulted up about 3 feet in the air.
I was lucky to maintain any sort of control as the force of the
impact was incredible. The bike came down on it's side with me
underneath. The wieght of the bike actually worked in my favor as
a smaller bike would have probably flipped end-over-end and been
damaged far more than this 800 pound bike was. Still, having an
800 pound motorcycle land on you at speed is...well...interesting.
The bike slid for about 20 feet and came to a stop. Fortunately
it stayed in the righthand lane of the highway. The big box
truck, which was behind me was just able to avoid running me over
as it swerved around and missed me by just 2 1/2 feet. Again,
to my benefit, a couple of guys were standing on the corner and
rushed over to help me get up or I might have been hit by a car,
or two, or three... (Edwin Peralta wherever you are, thanks man..)
The police arrived and blocked off the lane so that no one else
would hit the hole and called for an ambulance. My left side was
hurt but I figured it was just bruised ribs and did'nt go to the
hospital as that time...I was more worried about the bike than
myself to be honest and just wanted to see if it was still
rideable. It was scraped down the whole left side but I turned the
key on and it fired up and ran ok, so I decided to ride the bike
home.
After I got home and put the bike in the garage, I picked up my
digital camera and decided to go back and take a few pictures of
the traffic signal box and the hole. I had a feeling that the
New York State D.O.T. inspector would fill the hola in and,
aside from the somewhat dark police photographs, I would have no
proof that the hole was ever there. It was a good thing that
I did because the next morning the hole was filled.
Anyway, after taking some shots of the accident scene, my sister
convinced me to get checked out at the local hospital. As it
turns out my ribs were'nt bruised after all...they were broken.
Yep, three broken ribs.
And so, what began as a nice relaxing Friday evening cruise, turned
out to be a nightmare thanks to our friends at the New York State
Department of Transportation and thier very professional staff.
But hey, I needed a vacation after all so what the heck.
| dig it mu!!! | Day: 25
dig it ' mu!!!
check out straga".com
bluz
p.s.
play and listen to the new kenny garrett..in your joint or......
or the factory.
| MU !!! | Day: 25
YOU NEED TO GET OUT MORE SWEETIE! I POSTED THE WARREN THING,AND I AM DEFINITELY A WOMAN!!!! LOL
Boom Boom Mancini, Kinda like one of those grudge F**k things ? lol
Fezo, you're my kind of man. :)
but then most men are my kind.....
| ╡ | Day: 25
Oh, and Warren looks suspiciously more and more like Walter on each new album cover...
| ╡ | Day: 25
fezo: Man, I Love Zevon, but you've gotten WOMEN to AGREE to this????...and the Foreplay was what, Sportscenter and "get me a beer?" or was it a Rose Darling kinda night...
Seems like a I tried that once in the 70s and by the time I had hidden her Touret's medication and we wer rounding the bases listening to Hasten Down the Wind, the next thing I know these lines from The French Inhaler are eminating from of the speakers...
"and when the lights came up at two
I caught a glimpse of you
And your face looked like something
Death brought with him in a suitcase
Your pretty face
It looked so wasted
Another pretty face
Devastated
The French Inhaler
He stampled and mailed her
So long Norman
and she said so long Norman"
...and she did...
Hey, just saw Warren Zevon has a new one...the dude defines Gonzo. The Hockey song sounds classic
My Ride's Here
released May 7, 2002
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Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
"Warren Zevon has always been one of the most literate songwriting storytellers. Thus, it makes sense that My Ride's Here (the title refers to the vehicle the Grim Reaper might drive) comes in the form of a cool rock-literary crossover. Zevon once used novelist Thomas McGuane as a collaborator; here, he employs the considerable talents of Hunter S.-Thompson, Carl Hiaasen, and sportswriter Mitch Albom (of Tuesdays with Morrie fame) to aid in his satiric little gems, and he's hit a grand slam this time out. "Basket Case," the Hiaasen collaboration, is the ultimate music/book tie-in, sardonically performed in the metallic style of the Slut Puppies, the band in Hiaasen's bestselling mystery novel Basket Case. "You're a Whole Different Person When You're Scared," the Thompson collaboration, is a dark, bluesy, philosophical vamp, but it's Albom's humorous "Hit Somebody (The Hockey Song)"--featuring guest vocalist David Letterman(!)--that ultimately steals the CD. Not that Zevon banks solely on his book-writing buddies. "Sacrificial Lambs," a cynical (but sadly true) look at modern celebrity; "MacGillycuddy's Reeks," an authentic-sounding Irish folk parody; and the Dylanesque hallucinations of the title track all prove the once excitable boy is still in fine shape. --Bill Holdship"
| FOR THE COUNT | Day: 25
rAY BOOM BOOM MANCINI
DaNNY LITTLE RED LOPEZ
AND MANDO RAMOS..YOU WANNA TALK DUUUURRRR
bluz
meet me at the "little garden"
or the olympic"
better yet meet me on oscar night..2004 at the shrine I will be there
| fezo | Day: 25
Sentimential Hygiene indeed rocks the proper screwin' background music. It was the soundtrack for one memorable summer when I was a young lad.
Ever since, I've felt a strange bond with Boom Boom Mancini
| Apropos boats: | Day: 25
When you are working on a boat you have to check the wind direction before you throw out the garbage: spit first.
C
| Clas @ W | Day: 25
Mid Cruiser - great pic, must have been a hell of a job, masking/selecting that in Photoshop?!
| Burton Brewer | Day: 25
Cheers from the Land of Beers ; Took deliv of the 2vsN DVD last nite .........AWWWWWWWsome (I know i'm way behind BUT only got the player a week ago) The ver of Pretzel L ..bada bada BINGGGGGGGGGGG! Soulful Ladies Give it UP !! DSO take note .... We want it like that please
Music to love it up by ; May I suggest Mr Al Green, or perhaps Sam & Dave Hold on I'm comin .........LOL
| jason | Day: 25
no, all of you want the "haikus having to do with water and having the wrong number of syllables" site. crazy water, dangerous dreaming....
no science-fiction people i guess. crap.
i'll match you whim for whim.
stay tuned for part two, in which the fish regains consciousness.
comfort creatures gone wild on a neat, tidy formica surface.
| Dano | Day: 25
Roy , Tuerets syndrome! now that had me creased on the floor,made my day mate.
| R.H.D | Day: 24
When we were on the point that day I thought of you...
I think of you..many times.
pacific was to my west...you to my east
i wrote this,,and more
| :( | Day: 24
I wish you wouldn't
| arlean | Day: 24
Belaying or what ever, is an old sailor, like me. It is when you take the line to a cleat on a mooring dock. You twist it around a few times and flip it over to lock it in place. To secure not only the boat, but your own soul. And the souls you take along.
Getting off the boat is shakey. It always is, as your turn and look behind. But you have faith in the wind, and surf, and the tide. Then you walk away.................and you know you have made the best choice.....for you.
The boat might sail, it might sink, in the next storm. But you did the best you could, cuz' you tied the knot.
Hey, I don't post here, or do I?
| arlean | Day: 24
I am not a witch.
I forgive.
But I never forget.
I think sometimes we all point a wicked, crooked finger back at ourselves.
In sharpen tounge and slander we call the fold in the cards. Some of us just fold them. Go away gracefully.
Some of us throw them as darts.
Sometimes the darts miss the target because it is a mirror. They slide down. It is the hand that picks them up.....that is the evil one.
Think before you push off the bottom.
"Shallow heart, Shallow water,,,,,,,,,"
| How about Warren Zevon's | Day: 24
Sentimental Hygiene for those times when ya just want to F**K!
| Molly | Day: 24
Oleander, didn't think you got bored with the Dan! But unlike Steely, "long-term relationship" sex can get boring....The nature of erotic love tends to change. Sometimes I think you trade that passion for comfort. Comfort and security are not bad things...just different. It's hard to be passionate when you have a sick kid...a terrible day at work ect..Besides, I said it half jokingly. Don't worry, I know how to read !!!
| oleander | Day: 24
Molly--sorry you haven't experienced that.... And you got that I was bored with SD where? Read more carefully, hon.
This MUST be an Ambient Dan record:
Stopped for coffee this morning--"My Old School."
Went to lunch--different place--"Do It Again."
Grocery store this evening--"I.G.Y."
... unless they're FOLLOWING ME....
| Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 24
You Steely fans are a bunch of horny devils.... Happy thoughts! M.
| Molly | Day: 24
Bluz, the witches mentioned in Mailers book lured sailors to crash their boats by building fires. The sailors seeing the fires from out in the sea would think they were beacons from shore for a safe place to dock. The ships would crash, and the Sailors would be forced to swim to shore. Then the witches would kill and eat the sailors. The main character in the book was married to a woman/witch who drew men to her light, and then devoured them. The more the man loved her, the more she destroyed him. ...Moral of story; Don't mess with witches! Admire their beauty. Look at their fire, and then walk away.
Talk soon M.
| Roy.Scam | Day: 24
Dano~ And I thought I was a magnificent lover till I found out that my wife had Terret's Syndrome.
oleander~ Now you're getting all these emotional hair-triggers all riled up. I say if Steely Dan was so much like sex, they'd have named themselves after a dildo or something. [And please , people, for the sake of your romantic relationships, don't try making love while "Bodhisattva" is playing.]
Aja~ Nice graphics in Post# 1745, during your anatomical comparison of two ladies. I believe that's the most I've ever been aroused by an electronic representation of 8 parentheses and 4 astericks.
I once dated a girl on Mizar 5, whose mammagraphic representation would have required 3 parentheses, an ampersand, a lower and upper case "W" and between 3 and 5 pound signs depending on the time of year.
Midnite Cruiser~ Great photo. And I liked the psychedelia: making it look, not only like you were in a revolving forest, but that your guitar had 12 strings. Far out, innagaddadavida.
RS
| Re: | Day: 24
Molly
Yes read "tough guys don't dance" when it first came out, years ago.
Great book! Norman Mailer..set in one of my favorite getaways during
my time in the east..the cape.
"reach back in the cookie jar"
Eddie Harris "listen here" the electrifying Eddie Harris
B.B. "don't make me pay for his mistakes"
I'm all over the new Kenny Garrett..happy people
are you with me"
bluz
| W1P | Day: 24
Duncan, why don't you surprise her with it once and see what happens?
| Aja.....................3 hours 'til the 3-day! | Day: 24
My Jazzfest poster arrived today! Man, that was a fun trip. I put in a vacation request for next April today......
YGK-sorry I haven't e-mailed, been up to here in work. Just e-mail me when you'll be in town and we'll try to hook up. I'm out of town a lot this summer so I might miss you this time around, but there's always Jazzfest 2003!
Have a safe and happy weekend, everyone!
Aja
| Duncan | Day: 24
P.S.....
Always take lp's tests
| Duncan | Day: 24
First year rules....
NEVER get excited.
DO NOT REPLY to flames.
Never mention the Cars or Jackson browne.
Do not drink & Type.
Don't expect everyone to love you like you love your self.
BUT
enjoy.
Thank StAl.
make friends.
meet them.
get pissed up.
chat.
talk about shite.
go out.
BUT MOST OF ALL... take time to take part ( it'll make you a better person in the long run)
NEWBIES lurking ...dive in, it couldn't be worse than mine or Burton Brewer...
db
| lp | Day: 24
kate bush, peter gabriel and now, yeah, norah jones, makes me cave pretty easily
oh no, did i just type that? LOL, here we go again!
off to memorialize my weekend with no tv or internet access - woo hoo!
| Duncan | Day: 24
Linda's fav that one W1P although i can't remember it ever being played in the bedroom...Although there was thay time in Spain on the balcony....
| W1P | Day: 24
The ultimate sex song from an immature male's perspective is Feel Like Makin Love by Bad Company. It starts out all slow and seductive and very quickly (too quickly) speeds up to the "there's no holding back tempo" (not quite Slowhand, if ya know what I mean).
Now, a much better choice from a "mature" perspective is "The Great Gig in the Sky" by you know who. Seriously, even if you detest Pink Floyd, how is it possible not to love Great Gig? It's just not. IMHO.
| sharkdeville | Day: 24
hey all-
i realize it's short notice, but if any of you are in the Jax, FL area, I'll be playing pedal steel (you know, that whiny thing Jeff Baxter plays on "Razor Boy" and "Pearl of the Quarter", etc...) w/ the Buenos Aires at a club called Jackrabbits.
No Steely Dan covers, it's all originals... you might describe the music as "moody pop".
Just a heads-up!
p.s.- Howie, I play a F#6/9 between the F#6 and the A/B... ;)
| angel | Day: 24
LP: That Brubeck/Mexico City comment. Could that have something to do with the comment in Maxine?
Remember those guitar picks? Well, I went back to see what was going on and found that this is obviously something the seller does. Lots of other performers done up the same way. I knew that if it was good to be true....
(Click the link above.) I am such a novice at this stuff. Good thing I am usually too broke to deal with ebay.
Good luck to those traveling this weekend. (LP)
| Jim Talbott | Day: 24
thought I'd take the morning, beautiful as it was, and combine three of my favorite things to do....play guitar, take photographs and play with computer graphics in Photoshop.
http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/JimSwirl4Shirl.jpg
or click on the link above.
ok, so it doesn't take much to amuse me. *lol*
| lp | Day: 24
jason - try the precursor to the crusaders, the "jazz crusaders" - they had some great late 60's stuff - tough to find, though - i have some old cassettes that still get airplay in my house - definitely not lite jazz imo
joe sample was part of that original structure and he took the next level the crusaders to new height, his solo stuff is more mellow, but personally, i still love it - he's part of the top of my list
of course, there's always dave brubeck, you know, who is the top of my list - start with "jazz goes to college" from the 50's and his releases from russia, mexico city, and japan later on - groundbreaking stuff - nobody can improvise and stretch like he can
| ╡ - ba da boom | Day: 24
"I thought i was a great lover until i discovered my wife had asthma!"
Henny Youngman lives!
| jason | Day: 24
molly-- i already have old crusarers album,"chain reaction", which i've always loved. i don't get me.
i think i wouldn't gravitate toward the lighter stuff, depending on what lighter means. i hope i'm not being spoon-fed stuff more "entertaining" since the "murkier" material is more it for me. My research will be delayed, though, as several crises are competing for space in my "life" now. I'll enlarge dan lp credits for ideas. thanks.
| To Texas Teardrop | Day: 24
the other Tex aka Batman knows all of Lucinda's songs.
I am waiting here for more
I am waiting by your door
I am waiting on your back steps
I am waiting in my car
I am waiting at this bar
I am waiting for your essence...
| Molly | Day: 24
Great sex in a long term relationship, now that's a contradiction !!! Got to disagree with you Oleander. Never got bored with the Dan...lol
Stevee, somehow I doubt if I'd have much trouble motivating you off that couch. Keeping Mrs. Stevee from scatching my eyes out, now that would be a challenge! Like I said before, (and I know this is a generalization!) I love big people. They have bigger hearts, bigger intellects, more of an appetite for all the good things in life; sex, fun, music, food ect...I've done several painting of large women. To me they are more interesting visually. Of course you live out in the land of make believe, so I can see why you'd feel like you need to change..
Bluz, have you read a book called "Tough Guys Don't Dance"? He writes about witches. I'll talk to you soon. :)
Wild Bill, Jaz, Ed and Blink always a pleasure talking.
MR TURKEY, come on back in. We usually have a good time! Sometimes it's nice just to have fun...
Jason, I'd try some of the solo works of the artists that have played with Steely Dan. Larry Carlton and Tom Scott have some fine CD's out. Chet Baker, Michael Franks....and of course David Sanborn (get Pearls) are a way of aquainting yourself with jazz. Jazz can be an aquired taste. Dabble some in the lighter elements of it, before trying more traditional sounds.
LcPaul, honey I just don't know what to say....Sending good thoughts your way.
well i'm off to visit the climbing page. They're fighting over which is better, Trad or Sport climbing...It's all good! why fight? lol lol
Be peaceful and loving M.
| StAl | Day: 24
Oleander: Fantastic!
Bill: So NOW what do you have to say? How do you rebutt *that*?
Howard, LCPaul: I've been meaning to fix that bookmark for a while now. But since I wouldn't let Netscape anywhere near my machine I kept forgetting. Worked fine with IE...:)
Try it now.
Pat
| Dano | Day: 24
Ole , I thought i was a great lover until i discovered my wife had asthma!
now i will have to make do with Aja ( the album that is ).
Hubba Hubba.
| Dano | Day: 24
lcpaul, Burton, Argos what an album ,time was ,what a track brought back some memories of travelling all over the UK to see them.The Turner brothers where the business ,do any of you guys remember the band "Home".
| YGK | Day: 24
Oleander: *pant* that was a deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelicious description that left me breathless......thank you, sweetie.....
Bon Weekend.....
ygk
| Burton Brewer | Day: 24
LCP: I don't KNOW Wishbone I just looked on the website LOL But I did see 'em last year and they were on the good side of passable.(Man does not live by Dan Alone - Writ it on my Headstone) The menu sounds GOOOOOOOD partic fond of Calamari ...... Had a couple of bottles of Cape Chardonnay last Eve ..... to accommany the Chicken stuffed with spinach & ricotta .
| lcpaul | Day: 24
Burton-On-Trent - I say I don't know what his name is, you say which one???? How come you know so much about Wishbone? How are you on Canned Heat and Grand Funk Railroad? Not to mention Ogden's Nutgone Flake? Or Durban Poison? ~..~
Just back in from lunch at Limoncello with colleagues. Rainy, overcast, cold. Winter on its way. Which in Cape Town means wind and rain. But I guess that's the trade-off for living in THE most beautiful city in the world. Seriously. Three bottles of Jordan Sauvignon Blanc between four of us. Calamari grilled with chilli and garlic, penne with pancetta, grilled salmon, ravioli stuffed with mushrooms and ricotta. My son, who's a chef, would have been envious.
Sorry I didn't mention the D-word. Oh look, I did.
| Randy | Day: 24
Great point and post (#1808) concerning Steely Dan's jazz leanings "vs." their rock elements. This issue comes up quite a bit concerning Crosby, Stills & Nash, with the hypothetical argument being "electric or acoustic," with of course the whole issue with both bands being that it's the balance and mixture of both (one against the other) that make the band's music interesting; I actually do have a slight preference (in the case of CSN) for the full-band electric material (with the much underrated Stephen Stills' guitarwork to the fore), but it's the balance that makes the whole concept that much stronger.
For Steely Dan, having jazzy 13th or flat-five chords offset by stinging blues or distorted hard-rock guitar solos is what stirs the psyche: the unusual juxtaposition of both elements with their always superb arrangements and production, not to mention cryptic lyrics of substance and intellectual depth.
There is not another band in rock with the harmonic sophistication, and stellar musical aesthetic of Steely Dan: the best of rock's power, energy, and intelligence with the subtlety, attention to detail, adventurousness, and groove of the best jazz.
"Broadway duchess / darling if you only knew / half as much as / everybody thinks you do..." - Steely Dan, 'I Got The News'
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
| lp | Day: 24
oleander: cigarrette?
nmn: in wheelock this weekend, you headin' up? email me (spell out lp above) if you are
| Howard | Day: 24
lcpaulatlast - my guess is that you're using Netscape. I have the same problem - the link from "Post Message" at the top, to the input form at the bottom doesn't work. I mentioned this a few weeks back - the problem is that the input form's anchor name should be "sign", not "#sign" as it is currently. St Al - that should fix it.
Stevee - glad we were able to bring you round to those NF chords. One extra detail (my last word on this, I promise...!) - there's an extra chord between the F#6 and A/B chords. The right hand jumps back to the E triad used for the C#m7, before moving to the A/B chord.
i.e you get:
C# / B E G#
F# / A# D# F#
F# / B E G# (briefly!)
B / A C# E
You already mentioned that the F#aug chord (the D# to D change) only comes in the outtro - probably just a slip of the fingers that you typed it in for the intro chords. I havn't worked out those final few chords at the very end of the song - will have to try yours out...
Have a good weekend folks
Howard
| Burton Brewer | Day: 24
OK I exaggerated 4 drummers ; Steve Upton, Robbie France, Ray Weston, & Mike Sturgis.........but they did have 10 guitarists LOL and they always play tandem ????
| Burton Brewer | Day: 24
LCP; Which drummer ?..........I think they've had about 10 - saw them last year in Burton How the Rock Mighty have fallen .......still blowin' free
| LCPAULINUCMODE | Day: 24
Just for the record - Bob Dylan turns 61 today. And so does the drummer from Wishbone Ash - can't remeber his name.
Love to you all. Have a great weekend.
| Burton Brewer | Day: 24
Duncan : alt Chod is a mahayana practice and from the sutra point of view, Chod is an expression of the philosophical view of the Prajnaparamita Sutra or on Transcendental Wisdom. This sutra is a discourse on the wisdom of the two types of identitylessness: identitylessness of self and identitylessness of meanings or appearances.?????????????????
Love & Peace to all (even Scots)
| lcpaulatlast | Day: 24
Gee.
Haven't been able to access POST MESSAGE for almost a week. St Al? Please help. I click on it but nothing happens and I can't get to the bottom of my pages.
Mol - No knickers. No knockers. No Gwen. Heard her being interviewed on the wireless yesterday though and my heart ached for missing her and her bustier. And her derriere. How sad is my life?
Fuck.
Had my turntable (Dual belt-drive for the curious) repaired yesterday. Got home last night brimming with anticipation. Now understand, it's been about ten years since I've listened to my vinyl. So, I hook everything up into my Rotel amp. Balance the arm. Then the moment of truth. Gaucho or Nightfly? After heated internal debate, my psyche plumps for Gaucho. Get the disc on the rubber turntable. It's rotating. I carefully place the needle on the vinyl and hey presto! Silence. Fucking deathly silence. My disappointment was palpable. So back to the repair shop I go today, trying to contain my rage.
Oh lp, the "what kind of tea do you drink" question.
My answer: Beer.
| Clas @ Work | Day: 23
Steeve - I can't hear that F# - A# - C# - D - F# chord in the intro. It's only in the outro.
And this:
(1st time:)
E/AC#
E/BD
Change it to this:
(1st time:)
E/G C#
E/G# D
---
I saw Diana Krall on TV last nite, a show from Olympics, Paris. Great shit. She's pretty cool with her piano-waffles.
And Phaulino da Costa on percussion!
C
| W1P | Day: 23
A review of Sally Semrad in today's New Times LA -- she is yet another participant in my Pink Floyd tribute CD (she's doing Wish You Were Here)
Sally Semrad
Left of Me (Stanley Recordings)
BY SEAN O'NEILL
The voice of Sally Semrad is a warm, supple and comforting instrument. Some of the songs on Left of Me are gauzy, gossamer things, buoyed along by lulling electronic beats and softly strummed acoustic guitars, others are filled with gentle mandolins and shaded accordion, pastoral and placid like sepia-colored classics by the Band ("Too Late"), with the welcome addition of a little estrogen. Some have swirling, Zep-Arabesque passages ("Unbreakable"), while others are built around computer blips and found noises that wouldn't sound out of place on a Radiohead record. Always, though, it's that voice that draws the listener in. Even on an initial spin, Semrad somehow sounds instantly familiar, like she's been bouncing around in your head for a while.
Though she may at times wear her influences on her sleeve -- a touch of Abbey Road-style Wall of Sally vocals here, a dab of dub there -- Semrad is by no stretch a slave to classic rock (like Wilco, she incorporates influences on her way to transcending them) and at times she makes you think how nice it might be for Big Media to have a Sheryl Crow who wasn't completely full of shit. Semrad's got the look, all right -- she's young, blond and a delicate, almost fey, type of fine -- but more importantly, she's got chops to spare, as a singer, instrumentalist and songwriter. Her lyrics can be pithy and wicked, often laced with a very feminine sense of sweet tragedy.
Semrad is backed throughout Left of Me by Yortoise, the house band at Stanley Recordings, her Venice-based label, and the band does a superlative job of fleshing out her compositions, with multi-instrumentalist and producer John Would leading the way through an oft-times dazzling display of textures and styles. "Try to believe/In what's left of me," Semrad sings in the title track, and after giving this disc a good listen, believing in her is an easy thing to do.
| ╡ | Day: 23
Of course, it's the sex, stupid!
Gratuitous Neil Finn update: With some Dangential discussion about order, disorder, and reorder of tracks, the new lineup on One All released Tuesday is a substantial improvement on what was a fine album (One Nil) to begin with. Drving Me Mad was moved from the #11 spot to #2 and Last to know and Wherever You Are switching 4 and 5, The result is a better flow Two tracks, Lullaby Requiem and Human Kindness were added - very strong and distinctive tracks. Lullaby has a heavenly 60s pop feel. Human Kindness has a Todd Rundgren feel - very nice tunes. in addition The Climber, Driving Me Mad, Hole in the Ice, and Turn and Run were remixed with better balance and fidelity. The Climber benefits most from the remix - has a real live feel now...I would have left Turn and Run a little more acoustic and the harmonies in chorus should have been left more up front in the mix (only complaint). Fittingly, the closer Into the Sunset, a very strong track has been left alone... Highly recommended.
| W1P | Day: 23
Wow, Oleander, I'm perspiring after reading that! ;-)
| oleander..........................................beau riffage | Day: 23
Re: Steely rock vs. Steely jazz?--For me it's like sex. Sometimes you want full-out, hard-rockin', sweaty, down & dirty bluesy, and sometimes deliciously improvisational, ebb & flow-y, sensuous, subtly interwoven riffage. Thus Steely Dan is the perfect lover: you can have either, or both, depending on your mood; you can modulate the volume; you can choose your tempo; and you can switch them off without hurting their feelings.
Now that I think about it, Steely Dan is like great sex in a long-term relationship. There's the steadfast, continuous-flame passion of the familiar music, which at certain moments can still seem new, plus they keep you tantalized by holding out just long enough, and they come up with thrilling little new things at the most unexpected moments (voluntarily or not).
| 14 Below | Day: 23
Steeve -- did you know that 14 Below is having an "open mic" tonight because the band booked in there cancelled on Monday? Take your whole band over there for an imprompdu performance. W1P ;-)
| Steveedan | Day: 23
CHurch Of the Dan = CHOD. Thank you Burton. Jason, I am sorry to hear about the text problems you're experiencing. Avant gard you say? How about Ornette Coleman? The Dan liked them a lot and mentioned it in interviews in decades past. Koo Koo Ca Joob, Man.
Heyoomin Chayne - Stop breaking my BALLS, OK? I don't like the cramps you're giving me. But if you want to do this over at the MOJO site, be my guest. If this is a need that you need to satisfy ...
Pretzel Logic band rehearsal tonight. The entire band will be there tonight (how do you spell 'controlled pandamonium'?).
Molly - if I am a great big hunk of a man, I REALLY gotta lose weight and quick ... can ya help me get offa dis couch?
There's the rope. See y'all later.
SteveeDangle
| W1P | Day: 23
The Lathe of Heaven -- I understand that there is a new film based on this book in production as we speak.
| jason | Day: 23
Any SubGenii out there? *** Or science-fiction-oriented people? *** Last devastating listen was "A Canticle for Leibowitz", plus the recent (40 years later) sequel. donald seems to have a science-fiction bent, if not both of them. Best s.f. song of all time-- "king of the world". It and "canticle" are both so effective because they are so incredibly grounded in the harsh day-to-day reality of what "life" after a nuclear war would be like. Not that there's any competition whatsoever in the category of SF songs-- who else has done even one that isn't embarrassing? I always think of the book and song together now. Scary as hell. Come to think of it, new category-- genuinely frightening songs. I'm guessing that Chas. Manson album... of course Lennon, particularly Revolution #9, one of the best things they ever did, though only i seem to know it. Then there's that urban-legend sort of song, "gloomy sunday" or something, which supposedly compelled throngs of previously living people to alter their lifestyle. "Dress Rehearsal Rag",by Leo. Cohen, (a dress rehearsal for suicide) and "Negative Girl".
How many of you had to break your fingers, move the shards around, and re-set your hands in a new and improved arrangement, in order to play mu chords? This is me being pissed that i never made real progress on the guitar.
Steeveeee Dan-- a large hello. Unfortunately, it's been decades that i've been spinning my wheels re jazz, due in large part to a neurological thing that short-circuits my capacity for experiencing things emotionally.
I've been doing my best to struggle against it, but i lose more and more ground each year. I do plan to scour the library for jazz, though. People usually reccommend fusion to me as a bridge from rock, but that isn't the right path. My favorite song in the world is "I Am The Walrus", so that should tell you something. Some of the avant-garde stuff might actually work better. Thanks everyone for the referrals.
Ever had TRIPLE bock?! It no longer has any discernible resemblance to beer at that point, and instead is cognac-ish. Sam adams does it, and it's expensive.
Molly--- thanks for your interest in the eye situation. With me the problem is not just light but focusing at all on print, something i should never be doing. I write with a thick marker in 3-inch-high print, and it's still not really enough to avoid spasm. Eventually maybe there'll be an appropriate time or context to go into this further. It actually could be seen as a fascinating real-life science-fiction situation, if viewed from the outside, at a safe distance. Unfortunately, my seats are too good for this event.
Wormy--- Hey Ho, Worm-erino. Thanks for the remarks. See above for response.
I wish Curtis Mayfield had done more records like S'fly and Freddie's Dead... sort of like little symphonies, or movies. I *more* than miss (much more) music, or culture of any kind, that has that kind of intense gravity to it. The whole culture now revolves around NOT CARING, about anything, which others find comforting but is maddening for me, almost lierally so. *** C. Mayfield is someone who, like SD, has a sound that stands out a mile the instant that you hear it. There's some technical musical reason for this, there has to be (like SD's mu chords)' and i wish i knew what it is. The second i started playing Major Lance's Greatest Hits for the first time, I "heard" C. Mayfield, despite my not hearing his voice, and not knowing CM had anything to do with it.
Stray unsolicited factoid: for 3(?) years i've been listening to Australian aborigine books. If anybody knows why, please clue me in.
Aufweidersein, Uzbekistan!!!!!!!!!
| Dano | Day: 23
Dunc , Problem is that its my cousin and he has already made arrangements for family etc etc ,and stag day/night is 18 holes and a big swallie.I"m snookered so will have to try and catch up pronto!!
StAl , Pat a friend of mine is a big Dead Fan and he was saying the other band members are doing a re-union!!Is that right mate in Europe ,any info Pat.Cheers Mate
Bad Sneakers , Eng er land to go out first round could be a good call,and maybe we can get back in after beating Hong Kong 4.0.Maybe we can have TWM ,Dano ,Bad Sneaks vs Duncan ,Burton , Fingers.....Stuff it up the eng al ish , with Burton getting the beers in??
Leggin it .....
Dano
| WE DO LOVE STEVEE DAN........ | Day: 23
and I got it on good authority Stevee uses those testicles for what they were intended for !!!
| Diva of Disorderly Conduct. | Day: 23
I was 13 when I began listening to the Dan. I liked the smart rebellious lyrics. I could relate to songs like Any World. It epitomized the angst I felt as a teenager. As I matured, my appreciation of Steely's music grew. I saw the use of symbolism, the analogies ect.. there was much more being said then what appeared on the surface. After I had my heart ripped out and stomped on a few times, I had a renewed respect for the Dan's songs about love and loss. Then there was the music itself. I loved the clean, precise, complex music of SD. At 13 I didn't have a clue.... I also feel that a person's musicial tastes are reflected by where you are at emotionally in your life. As you grow your tastes change. Music speaks to your soul. It is one of the few things in life that seperates us from "lesser species"
well LP that's my answer for question number 1 !!!lol
Stevee, just say fuck em and feed em fish heads !!! :)
| human chain | Day: 23
man you rise to the bait quickly. the ladies must love you
| Steveedan | Day: 23
human chain - bite me.
I can't e-mail you privately to tell you to go fuck yourself becuase you are too scared to list your e-mail in your post's link. Eat your own testicle, little one.
| Mcfly | Day: 23
Burton
I refer you to Bad sneakers first post - you did read it didn't you ???
That's read - not read into
Engerlund will still be home soon - in disgrace as usual
Marty (fishermans friend)
| human chain | Day: 23
steveeeeeee ---- you call that a flame? you feel good about yourself?
lordie you need a second testacle.
| Burton Brewer | Day: 23
Stevee; I thought it was CHurch Of the Dan ...... bow down in homage
| Steveedan | Day: 23
Howard, sharkdeville, and Clas -
Your chords Howard are absolutely correct.
Here are the chords for the intro section (with intro endings (#s 1 and 2), and the outro ending (#3)) in the outro of New Frontier
(written like Howard wrote his chords ...)
LH/RH
B/D#G#B
B/C#F#A
D/DF#B
D/CEA
C#/BEG#
F#/A#D#F#
F#/A#DF# (only change from previous chord is from D# to D natural)
B/AC#E
(1st time:)
E/AC#
E/BD
(2nd time:)
E/(single notes:) G - D - G# - D - A - D - G# - D
(Final time in the outro:)
E/AF#
E/G#E
E/DAC#
E/DG#B
E/ADF#
E/G#E
This is as close as I could get it with my "morning" ears.
On another subject, I hope that some of the British GB-ers can explain more of those British expressions that are all over the MOJO site.
For starters ... what exactly is a "chod"? Thanks Squires
Stevee(England)Dan
| Burton Brewer | Day: 23
McChameleon
climb down - to become more humble; to abandon a firmly stated opinion or resolve, or an excessive or overweening demand, position or attitude (noun climb'-down).
Apology Accepted
Can it be this sad design
Could be the very same
A wooly man without a face
And a beast without a name
| Mcfly | Day: 23
Intolerance : refusal to accept ideas, beliefs, behaviours etc different to ones own - well in the case of football hooligans (which some parts of Ingliterre are very famous for) that is certainly true - However in the case of the vast majority of people in Engerrlund (including lots of relatives and nice people of the GB) not remotely implied anywhere I'm afraid
Wind up merchant for the sake of some mild light heartedness on a Thursday afternoon = Me
Knee jerk reaction = Something you should never participate in - Have another pint of your (admittedly fine) ale and CHILL OUT
Peace and Kharma - bodaciouscowboy@banyantrees.net
| Steveedan | Day: 23
to human choke-chain -
You clearly have a difficult time getting to your Mom's computer to post, but somehow you were able to write to me: "and with people like you defending us, steveedan, no wonder we're fucked".
See if you can release the chain from around your neck. It is strangling you and causing you to become oxygen-deprived (among other depravities).
I was defending MY position and the music of Steely Dan, not people here at the guest book, and CERTAINLY NOT YOU, ANONY-CHILD.
Now remember, when the bus honks, be sure that your Mom gets you on it so that you don't miss another day of that school you attend for your various developmental delays, besides, after you're gone, she's got a right to curse your existence too.
"I love the smell of napalm in the morning ..."
Steveedan
| Mistress of Mayhem aka Molly | Day: 23
BABY SWEET BABY, YOU'RE MY DRUG
COME ON AND LET ME TASTE YOUR STUFF
BABY SWEET BABY, WHISPER MY NAME
SHOOT YOUR LOVE INTO MY VEIN.......
Hello all, Texas Teardrop I expect a report....lol
Duncan, we haven't done any bad things in chat! Well I did say "fuck you" to one person, but we sort of made up..... There has been some shenanigans, but probably no more then usual. Someone showed up the other night as a Turkish Guitar player....Told me he was looking for tabs for a Dan song. He was just playing for fun now, and had only been playing guitar about a year... lol I am not a musician! But know enough to guess that one probably couldn't play very much SD without some serious practice.My first boyfriend could play Yes note for note, and did a rendition of Little Wing that was as good as any I ever heard. HE got frustrated playing some of the Dan's songs.....Trust me, he'd played a whole lot longer then a year! Mr.Turkey had English and our slang down cold.....My point is who cares? You have strange behavior everywhere.Have you been in climbing chat? lol lol
lcpaul, did ya get those panties yet bud? :) I'll bet you're off cavorting with Gwen....
BlinkDan, thank you! thank you! thank you! talk soon? :)
| Burton Brewer | Day: 23
McSporran
Don't much like your bait old bean ......Racial Stereotypes & Intolerance (there's a good name for a band :) )
Would you like some sugar for those grapes ???
Mail me if you would ........hmmmmm zzzzzzz
| McFly | Day: 23
PS - Hook line and sinker
| Jock McFlyfisher | Day: 23
Burton Brewer
Welcome to the GB - watch this space for overweight fools in undersized white shirts running very fast away from people who can actually fight - It shouldn't take long
| Burton Brewer | Day: 23
BILL ;
jiggery-pokery jigóe¡ri¡poóke¡ri, (colloquial)
noun trickery; deception.
Ahhhhh The English Language spoke right proper guv
| Bill | Day: 23
Steveedan,
Checked out that link you posted. Those boys are going at it pretty
heavy over there no? For instance "Moyno" posted;
" ...Gaucho and Aja reek of studio trickery and jiggerypokery, but
cleverness in sound manipulation and production misses the whole
point of what rock music is supposed to be about. Fagen even
admitted on "Nightfly" that he injected muzak deliberately, as
it reflected the aesthetic of growing up in 50's America!
Says it all does'nt it? You don't think Gary Katz of the
Katzenatz-Katz "manufactured production line school of pop"
hauled Becker and Fagen in for a session for nothing back in '72
do ya'?"
Man! I might have said a few things about the direction of the
post-Gaucho version of Steely Dan, but these MOJO guys are
downright brutal!
By the way... what the heck is "Jiggerypokery"?
| Duncan | Day: 23
Gina ..I lived but only just & can never tell Sorry
:)
| Burton Brewer | Day: 23
Bad McSnakers (oops);
Let me guess A Scot right ?
Q
Any more stereotypes you want to reinforce ?
Are You sure you like Dan - hardly conformist ?
Turn the other cheek .......... so we can hear u better }:>
| Duncan | Day: 23
¦: ref
Becker/Fagen to Fagen/Becker and back to Becker/Fagen with no one noticing...
Stunning in its simplicity, The statement above had me tossing & turning all night.
I think you may have something their, Does anybody know when the changeovers actually took place.
Or weather it had anything to do with the arrival of the PRS checks, The move East, The Drugs,The move further Westward ??
LP: sorry I missed your test, It looked hard anyway I'm glad I was away.
Dano: not long till DSO York are you sure that you need to go to that wedding?
Looks like some fun's been had in Chat over the weekend did Dragon ever come back, I do hope so.
I'm often guilty of asking too many questions in there, It's only because I like to know to whom I'm talking too.
Both Linda & I don't mean to upset anybody in there. ( I'm still missing most people in there..WHAT is the best time ?)
Bill you're wrong about 2vN, It was perfect for 2000, Likewise the next one should be perfect for 2003.
There not the only one's getting older & more sophisticated.
I managed to check out Andy's sound page & was very impressed with the alternative
Version of ''I got the news''.
Still not convinced about the Live 2000 tracks.
Someone mentioned the possibility that they could be working on one of the old Goucho outtakes.
Sounds fine I'm pretty sure I heard a single word sung in the same key in Kulee Baba
That was used in Boston Rag first, perhaps that's why Donald was unhappy with the song.
I know nothing about chords but I swear I spotted BABA in there somewhere
See you all later
db
P.S.Bad Sneaks...Seems Roy's not as keane as Morrisey thought after all
| bad sneakers | Day: 23
Wayne Krantz was great the other night - it still beats me why the majority of people seemed not to enjoy his playing in the Dan context.
Anyway Yanks look away now - its time for world Cup predictions -
Engerlaand - out in the first round (Byeeeee !) - and David to cry
Ireland - To win their group
Japan - to cause a few surprises
USA - to be their usual selves (stick to baseball guys)
Eventual semi finalists from
France, Argentina, Brazil, Spain and Italy
Winners - France or Italy - Dark horses Spain
Top scorer - Ronaldo, Viera or Raul
English Hooligans - to get 7 bells of sh!t kicked out of them by over efficient Japanese riot police
Can't wait really
| Howard | Day: 23
Clas - cool. I was hoping you'd give those chords a try - glad you think they sound right. It's so often that a basic triad + bass note approach will give the right sound.
Stevee - if you have a chance to try those same New Frontier intro chords, let us know what you think. Let's not worry too much about what they're called, the voicings are:
LH / RH
B / D# G# B
B / C# F# A
D / D F# B
D / C E A
C# / B E G#
(etc)
Howard
| Burton Brewer | Day: 23
3. Best thread from the Mojo board?
You HAVE to admire this guys attention to detail (How long do you reckon his beard is ?)
http://ubb2.mojo4music.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=000192
4. What genre of music do you feel Steely Dan belongs - use the back of this page if necessary
Transcendingly Sublimated Groove Thang
| SAINT AAAAAAL!!! | Day: 23
SAINT AAAAL!!?
There's a fight on the Blue Bore, they are so childish over there. They are dumb.
C
| C | Day: 23
Don't wake up that Bear who's sleeping Gina!
Look at Fagen - he's zooming into the sinking sun:
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/fagen
| Gina | Day: 23
happy starbuckle anniversary LP and Co :-)
So Duncan, you lived to tell, huh?
Won any soccer games in between the Brand or Heineken or Grolsch or ...
Anyone wanting Steviedan back in here, do as i do:
barbourmusicbox@aol.com
Banyan Tree Hutch Thank You For The Gary Willis Thang Bow,
G.
| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 23
hey, how's the test goin'?
today is my 15th wedding anniversary - wow
good years, satiated years, bad years - but if it was all good, would i know the difference, right?
happy day to all
keeep them results comin'!
| Burton Brewer | Day: 23
UK Calling ...........
DUNCAN ; 5 years in Swad !!!! What did you do ? Kill your WHOLE family ààHope you got ôA Case o Dynamiteö As for Where do I drink ? à.. I work in BREWERY FÆchristsake û Iæm surrounded by the stuff LOL û However if I do feel the need to spread the wealth ,have been known to frequent The Bridge, - Beard Stroking Inn, The (now refurbished) Elms, and The Lord Burton û cheap and a great place to ôpeople watchö
REAL TEX ; If you like that (Lucinda Williams) Try this Kasey Chambers The Captain or Barricades & Brickwalls - SheÆs an Aussie but I donÆt hold that agÆin her LOL. There goes my forum cred . But as IÆve said previous Man cannot live by Dan Alone.
LP; 2. Favourite update of a steely dan track (that is, from a tour or you can go the open book method and pick one from alive in america)
Pretzel Logic PBS special 2000 Got it as an mp3 off the net - The use of the ladies voices on the refrain is a HIGHlight soul/jazz fusion mebbe?
| Allow me to change my mind! | Day: 22
Sharkdeville/Howard and Stevee - went home yesterday and played the New Frontier again, with those triads in the intro, and you are: RIGHT! Cool, I learn something every day.
Right hand, intro:
D# G# B / C# F# A (the B-chord)
D F# B / C E A (the D-chord)
thank you!
C
| human chain | Day: 22
and with people like you defending us, steveedan, no wonder we're fucked
| Steveedan | Day: 22
I have noticed that a lot of people don't know what MOJO is. It is a website for people to post on various topics (threads, right?) and it is an adjunct to Mojo Magazine. The reason that LP has included it in her most recent test (I think) is because there have been some very heated arguments going on over there. Two in particular are: (1) The great debate - which band is better - Steely Dan or the Monkees (I shit you not!), and the other one (that is currently going on, but dying out quickly is (2) Why Steely Dan Suck. Snowbound and I have been flying the flag for our team, and have been accused of being "beard strokers", and other things like that. It seems that a few people over at the MOJO site really do not like the slick perfection of Steely Dan. Oh well.
If any of you are interested in seeing the "Why Steely Dan Suck" thread action, here's the link:
http://ubb2.mojo4music.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?
ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=003150
Turn in those test results !!!
Stevee(Proctor)Dan
| Robot | Day: 22
Second response.
!
Infiltration complete. Proceed as planned.
!
| Bill | Day: 22
Dear Psychotic Robot,
VGER seeks to end future transmission.
Abort Self on mark 10010010001010 Abort 1001011010111001.
| Robot | Day: 22
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Bill responds.
!
| Robot | Day: 22
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| Invalid Username | Day: 22
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| sorry | Day: 22
Robot is not Bill
| steelydoubt | Day: 22
well i just wanted to make an entrance
Newbie test #6060842
1.embarissing
2.never went to a show
3.mojo?
4. metal/polka
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9.kulee baba (full band)
10. depends on how well played
??.realin the years
and so on
oh yeah what up molly
| Floridavid | Day: 22
That's "Entirely"...LOL
| Floridavid | Day: 22
Bill, You have Intirely too much time on your hands.
| Robot | Day: 22
1. How does your age influence your fandom of steely dan?
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2. Favorite update of a steely dan track (that is, from a tour or you can go the open book method and pick one from alive in america)
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3. Best thread from the Mojo board?
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4. What genre of music do you feel Steely Dan belongs - use the back of this page if necessary
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5. Compare the songwriting changes from the Pretzel Logic release with 2vN
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6. What changes, if any, would you have made in the arrangement (order) of songs on the 2vN release?
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7. Best clip from the "Making of Aja" video
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8. What kind of tea do you drink?
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9. Favorite Andy Metzger scored download
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10. Guitar or saxophone?
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11. Jewel or Sade?
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12. Bush or Cheney?
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13. Batman or Robin?
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14. Gwen or Molly?
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15. What is Robot's code being used in the posts under this name?
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16. What are your plans/schedule for attending summer concerts?
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17. Are there any Steely Dan songs you are burnt out on?
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18. How much freedom do you think Tom Scott really had in arranging on the Gaucho release?
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19. Is there any basis for comparison between Kama and 11 Tracks?
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20. Is there a relationship between bush's alleged dealings with bin Laden through business/financial relations and his ability to run "the war on terror" in a "new world order"? (sorry, i am currently debating that hotly on another board, that's where i've been lately, sorry, just looking for more opinions)
Bill.
| sharkdeville | Day: 22
Just occurred to me that "New Frontier" kicks off with B6 to B9, then D6 to D9...then C#m7, etc.
Try it, you'll like it!
| lp at home | Day: 22
130 for me - lol, who knew?
| Gifted Borderline Genius | Day: 22
Additional testing testing 1,2,3 ...
Please check URL for your IO's.
Took the test half-serious and gambling in less than 8 minutes.
Yawn.
LOL.
| Corpsy V | Day: 22
1. How does your age influence your fandom of steely dan?
- Standard procedure, recruted as they implanted the alien genome so time and age didn't matter anymore
2. Favorite update of a steely dan track (that is, from a tour or you can go the open book method and pick one from alive in america)
- Reelin' In The Years, lesson Numero Uno in how to put the enemy off track during the first chords
3. Best thread from the Mojo board?
- Threat?? Lady cadets, sharpen your fingernails asap!!!!
4. What genre of music do you feel Steely Dan belongs - use the back of this page if necessary
- Hasn't been confirmed yet, but almost certain it's UFO related
5. Compare the songwriting changes from the Pretzel Logic release with 2vN
- Sorry, classified information
6. What changes, if any, would you have made in the arrangement (order) of songs on the 2vN release?
- None, cadets learn to hit the shuffle or random button
7. Best clip from the "Making of Aja" video
- UPTOWN BABY UPTOWN BABY
8. What kind of tea do you drink?
- Green tea
9. Favorite Andy Metzger scored download
- Access denied
10. Guitar or saxophone?
- Does a sax wail???
11. Jewel or Sade?
- Diamonds are a girl's best friend, so ...
12. Bush or Cheney?
- Ambush them both!!!
13. Batman or Robin?
- Oops. Tight.
14. Gwen or Molly?
- Molly is Cadet Of The Month!
15. What is Robot's code being used in the posts under this name?
- Still under investigation
16. What are your plans/schedule for attending summer concerts?
- Haven't been notified yet
17. Are there any Steely Dan songs you are burnt out on?
- Yes. The ones released in 2005
18. How much freedom do you think Tom Scott really had in arranging on the Gaucho release?
- None
19. Is there any basis for comparison between Kama and 11 Tracks?
- Is there life on Mars?
20. Is there a relationship between bush's alleged dealings with bin Laden through business/financial relations and his ability to run "the war on terror" in a "new world order"? (sorry, i am currently debating that hotly on another board, that's where i've been lately, sorry, just looking for more opinions)
- Ambush all of them!!!
***Corpsy V, clicking the red boots and reporting to duty***
| Steveedan | Day: 22
Angel - that eBay item has got to be the pick of the day. (Would you be willing to pick 'em up for me?)
(Thanks Dr. ¦, but YOU'RE the winner ...)
SteveeDan
| Duncan | Day: 22
Nice start Jason..
Gina It's a hell of a counrty you got there.
2.5 days away followed by 5 days of shaking & sweats.
Roll on the flashbacks...LOL
Reading in bed the best stuff.
Burton Brewer I spent 5 years in Woodville & Swad..where do you drink?
db (nearly back on track)
Sh the lawyer stuff had the whole plane in fits.... Thanks
| angel | Day: 22
Found an interesting item on Ebay today. A collection of guitar picks.
Not exactly the thing that I expect to find from the likes of Donald and Walter, but interesting none the less. Click the link above to view.
I rarely visit ebay, but you sometimes wonder how much of this is real and how much is people taking you for a ride.
| Smoot-Hawley | Day: 22
Black Friday, it feels so good!
| ╡ | Day: 22
"Pretzel Logic showed the 'singer-songwriter' style from the 1970's while 2VN has the open palette technology-influenced Jazz of the post-modern era" We HAVE a WINNER!
| Steveedan | Day: 22
Newbie test #6060842
1. How does your age influence your fandom of steely dan? - It's just like counting the rings on a tree. No matter how many you count, it's still a tree. I keep finding more great stuff to appreciate in their music, and since my 14 months or so here at the guest book, I have obtained great rare recordings and made new friends who are just as fanatical about the Dan as I am. (Tie a yellow ribbon 'round the old oak tree ...)
2. Favorite update of a steely dan track (that is, from a tour or you can go the open book method and pick one from alive in america) Has to be Do It Again, but two others worth mentioning are Midnight Cruiser ('96) and Monkey In Your Soul (2000).
3. Best thread from the Mojo board? - None - they're all dreadful (beard stroking fools ...)
4. What genre of music do you feel Steely Dan belongs - use the back of this page if necessary. - Jazz-Rock
5. Compare the songwriting changes from the Pretzel Logic release with 2vN - Pretzel Logic showed the 'singer-songwriter' style from the 1970's while 2VN has the open palette technology-influenced Jazz of the post-modern era.
6. What changes, if any, would you have made in the arrangement (order) of songs on the 2vN release? - I like it just like it is. I am one of those who finds no throw-aways on this one.
7. Best clip from the "Making of Aja" video û There are two - (1) Bernard Purdy "Frank Sinatra", and (2) the segment about chosing the guitar solo for Peg. This was a sadistic flavored version of - "... And the winner is ...".
8. What kind of tea do you drink? - Usually green tea, or whatever is in the teapot at the Oriental restauraunt.
9. Favorite Andy Metzger scored download - Kulee Baba, the piano/Rhodes/vocals version.
10. Guitar or saxophone? - I prefer the Guiphone and the Saxotar, thank you verry much.
11. Jewel or Sade? - You gotta be kidding me. Sade, of course !
12. Bush or Cheney? - Cheney despite the heart attacks.
13. Batman or Robin? - Robin (thatÆs me to NYBillÆs Batman from our first chat session)
14. Gwen or Molly? - Molly fo sho.
15. What is Robot's code being used in the posts under this name? - I dunno, binary, hexadecimal, super-dooper-demento-clature?
16. What are your plans/schedule for attending summer concerts? - I would like to attend some, when I am not playing at my own gigs. (I would love to tour the Southland with a traveling minstral show ...)
17. Are there any Steely Dan songs you are burnt out on? - Not Really.
18. How much freedom do you think Tom Scott really had in arranging on the Gaucho release? - A decent amount considering it was for D & F. Scott proved himself on the Aja album. His horn charts are near legendary.
19. Is there any basis for comparison between Kama and 11 Tracks? - Kamakiriad, the keyboard oriented one, was produced with the help of Walter Becker, 11 Tracks Of Whack, the guitar oriented one, was produced with the help of Donald Fagen. Both CDs show glimpses of the contrasts of these two guys outside of their collaborations under the strick Steely Dan banner.
20. Is there a relationship between bush's alleged dealings with bin Laden through business/financial relations and his ability to run "the war on terror" in a "new world order"? (sorry, i am currently debating that hotly on another board, that's where i've been lately, sorry, just looking for more opinions) - I could respond to this one, but if I did, I would have to have my people kill you in the name of their god.
Bonus question: what color font do you use when in chat and what is your favorite guest number? - I use sea green or royal blue, and I never use a guest number.
| Conundrum No 2 | Day: 22
Support for Bin Laden by elements within the Pakistani establishment is another contradiction in PakistanÆs Afghan policy. . . . The US was PakistanÆs closest ally, with deep links to the military and the ISI. But both the Taliban and Bin Laden provided sanctuary and training facilities for Kashmiri militants who were backed by Pakistan, and Islamabad has little interest in drying up that support. Even though America has repeatedly tried to persuade the ISI to cooperate in delivering Bin Laden, the ISI declined, although it did help the US arrest several of Bin Laden's supporters. Without PakistanÆs support, the United States can not hope to launch a snatch by US commandos or more accurate bombing strikes, because it needs Pakistani territory to launch such raids. At the same time, the USA dare not expose PakistanÆs support for the Taliban, because it still hoped for ISI cooperation in catching Bin Laden.
And now û An India û Pakistani war for Kashmir ???
| And now - | Day: 22
In order to avoid tumultuous financial and economic floods and droughts caused by increasingly mighty international capital flows for speculative purposes and to protect national policies from dictatorship by the market, in 1972 James Tobin proposed a worldwide foreign exchange transactions tax. In brief the idea is to levy a 0.1% to 0.5% on money exchanged from one currency to another.
Such a tax, the Nobel Prize-winner has insisted, would be punitive for short-term financial plays and would thus slow down speculative capital movements such as those that led to the surge and then collapse of Asian financial markets over the past decade. On the other hand, the ôTobin taxö, according to its author, would not be high enough to deter commodity trade or long-term investments in productive enterprises.
Some analysts, however, feel that the Tobin tax would be impossible to administer because all countries would have to agree to it and such worldwide fiscal harmonization would be unprecedented.
Discuss
| Diva of Disorderly Conduct | Day: 22
Am I missing something here? Why are you old guys taking the test? You men are so damn competitive!
| angel | Day: 22
Aja: Talk about Yin and Yang.... LOL
W1P is definitely a certified crazy man, but fun, too.
We are going to have to do something about the lack of RRHOF exhibit for Steely Dan. Should we begin Full-Scale Amphibious Assault # 2? Get your speed boats ready. :-)
| W1P | Day: 22
YGK, strange things happen to me in the night! Oh, and by the way, I am nuts, ask anyone who has met me!
| Aja again | Day: 22
Still catching up on my reading! Hey chere, you BETTER get in touch with me when you're out here!!!!!!!! Miss ya girlie, so good to have you back with us.
Aja
| Aja............@isitsummeryet.com | Day: 22
Molly-sorry for your loss....good thoughts and prayers going out to you.
lp or Aja? I guess the question would be: ( * ) ( * ) or (*)(*)?
Aja
| ╡ - no more pencils, no more books... | Day: 22
1. How does your age influence your fandom of steely dan?
I'm just growing old
2. Favorite update of a steely dan track (that is, from a tour or you can go the open book method and pick one from alive in america)
Walter still tracking the Bear on "Down at the Bottom"
3. Best thread from the Mojo board?
double-knit polyester
4. What genre of music do you feel Steely Dan belongs - use the back of this page if necessary
Star Wars Bar funked-up muzak
5. Compare the songwriting changes from the Pretzel Logic release with 2vN. Changed from Becker/Fagen to Fagen/Becker and back to Becker/Fagen with no one noticing...
6. What changes, if any, would you have made in the arrangement (order) of songs on the 2vN release?
I'd use the Second Arrangement
7. Best clip from the "Making of Aja" video
Did they have sonograms in the 70s?
8. What kind of tea do you drink?
my tea is Balinese
9. Favorite Andy Metzger scored download
The Kind of Blue Outtakes
10. Guitar or saxophone?
trombone, definitely
11. Jewel or Sade?
sadists or masochists?
12. Bush or Cheney?
Nader one, but at least Bill's gone..or is he? I noticed our Bill showed up about the time that 42 left office. Concidence? You decide...
13. Batman or Robin?
SuperGirl
14. Gwen or Molly?
Golly!
15. What is Robot's code being used in the posts under this name?
schematics for a heart beating in an ion grid...
16. What are your plans/schedule for attending summer concerts?
a lawnchair, a Long Island Iced Tea with Neil and Dan on DVD
17. Are there any Steely Dan songs you are burnt out on?
Flame IS the Game, n'est pas?
18. How much freedom do you think Tom Scott really had in arranging on the Gaucho release?
They were Written by Wendel
19. Is there any basis for comparison between Kama and 11 Tracks?
they are both on acetate...
20. Is there a relationship between bush's alleged dealings with bin Laden through business/financial relations and his ability to run "the war on terror" in a "new world order"?
Dubya traded Sammy Sosa to Bill Clinton for the rights to Stephen King's next paranoid delusion, a promise not to arrest Osama in the Sudan, an agreement to bury the FBI files from 1995 and 1999 outlining highjacking plots with the Ark of the Covenant, 100 neon blue dresses for Janet Reno, and the right to slap a really stupid ending on the X-Files...
Bonus question: what color font do you use when in chat and what is your favorite guest number?
Q used a really nice chartreuse in the 2 hour finale of Star Trek - TNG mon Capitan...
Toto's 99...
| Papi Raul | Day: 22
7. Best clip from the "Making of Aja" video:
Rick Marrota (Peg): "Nuances, I opened my hi-hat a hair..."
Sorry LP,
C
| Clas | Day: 22
1. How does your age influence your fandom of steely dan?
I stopped asked for backstagepasses and autographs when I turned 25.
2. Favorite update of a steely dan track (that is, from a tour or you can go the open book method and pick one from alive in america)
Reeling in the Years.
3. Best thread from the Mojo board?
The Mojo what?
4. What genre of music do you feel Steely Dan belongs - use the back of this page if necessary
The genre of music. Plain and simple.
5. Compare the songwriting changes from the Pretzel Logic release with 2vN
Fagen has learned a lot more fancy chords, and while Becker/Fagen gets older, the girls gets younger.
6. What changes, if any, would you have made in the arrangement (order) of songs on the 2vN release?
No changes. It would be like not accepting the looks of a Zebra or a Cheetah.
7. Best clip from the "Making of Aja" video
Becker takes a short glimse at Herington and smile when Herington is doing some cool shit during the Black Friday git solo.
8. What kind of tea do you drink?
Red Tea and Brown Tea.
9. Favorite Andy Metzger scored download
Time out of Mind.
10. Guitar or saxophone?
Guitar & Saxophone.
11. Jewel or Sade?
Sade. Jewel if Sade is still married.
12. Bush or Cheney?
Cheney.
13. Batman or Robin?
Batman.
14. Gwen or Molly?
Meg Ryan
15. What is Robot's code being used in the posts under this name?
?
16. What are your plans/schedule for attending summer concerts?
Stockholm JazzFest.
17. Are there any Steely Dan songs you are burnt out on?
Deacon Blues and Aja.
18. How much freedom do you think Tom Scott really had in arranging on the Gaucho release?
Just as much freedom as Our Boys had having opinions on them.
19. Is there any basis for comparison between Kama and 11 Tracks?
Fagen Cold - Becker Warm
20. Is there a relationship between bush's alleged dealings with bin Laden through business/financial relations and his ability to run "the war on terror" in a "new world order"? (sorry, i am currently debating that hotly on another board, that's where i've been lately, sorry, just looking for more opinions)
The Sept11 is a good excuse to get a firmer grip on oil-ares. China needs oil, Russia needs oil...
C
| WT. geez what a sour puss... | Day: 22
Life is short! If you're unhappy with the Yellow, then do yourself a favor and go to the blue.. Better yet, start your own web site. The Steely Dan grumpy-ass fan club...lol :)
LP, sorry I'm touchy about that stuff. Old wounds from childhood. I probably don't need to tell you how mean some girls are (especially when competing for a mans/boys attention) Don't get me started on one of my little tangents. lol M.
| wormy | Day: 22
recent ear candy
Rene Marie vertigo - very nice Jaz standards
an intimate recording - even "makes surrey with a fringe on top" her own
added surprise treat - chris potter on sax
psychedelic furs - remastered discs nice
trey anistasio - good call Aja, some nice funk aspects
neil young - are you passionate - mixed bag
with Booker T -
really liked last one, Siver and Gold
jason - enjoyed your expose of why you can't get into jazz
an open mind is a good thing. try some jazz fusion type recordings
weather report, miles "bitches brew", mahavishi orchestra, Pat Methany, astral project, 60's Miles Davis Quintet
or head back to some classics like Sony Rollins - saxophone colossus, miles Kind of Blue, Coletrane - giant steps
the ken burns jazz documentary might be a nice venture as well
wormy
| snakehips | Day: 22
I just talked to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum, since I'm planning a little trip there this summer. Did you know there is no SD exhibition or any artifacts on display there? I guess our boys weren't too cooperative when asked for stuff (you're surprised?). They had a small exhibit when they were first inducted last year, but the RRHOF has since put those things away somewhere. Ha! Wasn't someone around here working on a charette (sp)?
At least the John Lennon exhibit is still there.
| wt | Day: 22
not another one, ho hum
1. How does your age influence your fandom of steely dan?
grew up with it, I changed, not the music
2. Favorite update of a steely dan track (that is, from a tour or you can go the open book method and pick one from alive in america)
has to be dirty work with Vickie doing lead ;-)
3. Best thread from the Mojo board?
mojo bored? I prefer mojo mag
4. What genre of music do you feel Steely Dan belongs - use the back of this page if necessary
manhattan transfer knockoffs
5. Compare the songwriting changes from the Pretzel Logic release with 2vN
6. What changes, if any, would you have made in the arrangement (order) of songs on the 2vN release?
drop dupre - single only, get rid of drum sampling on WOH and TaN
7. Best clip from the "Making of Aja" video
Pretty Perdie or slappin bass lines?
8. What kind of tea do you drink?
lebanese
9. Favorite Andy Metzger scored download
was away those two days, Don's take on "We've only just begun"
10. Guitar or saxophone?
Sax
11. Jewel or Sade?
sade
12. Bush or Cheney?
neither
13. Batman or Robin?
catwomen
14. Gwen or Molly?
gwen or molly who?
15. What is Robot's code being used in the posts under this name?
it's an architectural plan for the dreary soul
16. What are your plans/schedule for attending summer concerts?
Krall this saturday, next?
17. Are there any Steely Dan songs you are burnt out on?
reeling, peg, charlemagne, bodis, black friday
18. How much freedom do you think Tom Scott really had in arranging on the Gaucho release?
as much an wendel
19. Is there any basis for comparison between Kama and 11 Tracks?
one has a singer on it
20. Is there a relationship between bush's alleged dealings with bin Laden through business/financial relations and his ability to run "the war on terror" in a "new world order"? (sorry, i am currently debating that hotly on another board, that's where i've been lately, sorry, just looking for more opinions)
ask his father
Bonus question: what color font do you use when in chat and what is your favorite guest number?
in my old chat days (blue, guest 19) no time for such fodder anymore
| Lucinda is the best.... | Day: 22
Hillary after having a certain cow go on television and give a blow by blow(pardon the pun) description of your husband's indiscretions; I wouldn't think you qualify to give advice on behavior to anyone.
Texas Teardrop I know he's being an ass. I think he's having a breakdown. I'm terribly embarrassed by all this crap. What can I say?
| lp, sigh | Day: 22
molly - lighten up girlfriend, it was a joke - making fun of the psyche tests you take, you know? innie or outtie? glass half empty or full? thunderstorms - coll or scary? all in fun, really, not meant the way you took it...
sorry for your loss too...
| Molly | Day: 22
Hello All! I'm still in the almost hallucinogenic state that can be derived by combining sleep depravation, and pain medication. My little friend is gone. Krissy went to our Lord this morning at 3:00 am. The only solice that I find in her death is knowing that our Heavenly Father is giving her all the love,comfort and peace that she never had in this life.
LP you're the best! But you dropped the ball on the newbie test. We all are friends here in Banyanland. Questions like number 14 (Molly or Gwen) aren't appropriate. That's like asking someone if they prefer you to Aja. St.AL to Mu...I try very hard to like everyone here. (although I must admit to having favorites) I'd never hurt anyone's feelings by sharing those preferences with others. How is the underwear drive for lcpaul coming along? Had several pledges from the Natalie site and a few from thr Rickie Lee Jones site as well. Apparently the RLJ site women don't wear as much underwear..lol
BLUZ, my fine looking man ! glad we finally had a chance to talk. Remember what I told you about those witches...lol.
Wild Bill, where you been?!!!!
Jason, there are technologies that may be able to help you concerning your eye problems. Perhaps a computer screen without as much glare? I can try to give you some resourses to check if you like. My son has many sensory issues, and you have my sympathy. Contact me if I can help.
Stevee, you big sweet teddy bear of a man...HELLO. Tell family i'm thinking of them.
Mick, if you see...I'll write you soon. You are in my thoughts and prayers. Talk Soon?!!!!
Drew, don't know about Alabama climb. I'll try to see if I can clear my schedule. If I am able to walk by then..lol. I'll call you tonight about 10:00 your time.
Aja,Chere,Angel,Miz Ducky and all my GB girlfriends...HELLO! Sending my best wishes your way.
St.Al as always thanks for having me....
be peaceful and loving my GB friends M.
| Burton Brewer | Day: 22
LP I'm taking it !!!! only slowly I need a deferral on No 11 I ain't seeing Jewel until 29th May
| YGK | Day: 22
W1P: Mose/Joe Jackson? Same Voice??!?.......i think you need an earwax remover......same range, maybe, but same voice? you're nuts......peace....
Chere: yes, sweetie, in FLA for 4 days in June.....will have a car to travel - not sure about accomodations yet, but do call, and I'll buzz back....
ygk
| and another thing | Day: 22
take the damn test below, people!
i worked pretty hard on that one - lol/smirk
| lp, sniffing politics | Day: 22
mu? ken starr? anyone?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/754330.asp
| The REAL Tex Teardrop | Day: 22
Now lookee here, it's downright insultin' seeing some other idjit postin' on this here guestbook under MY name and I'm tellin' him right now he better stop it and stop it good and right now if he doesn't want to 'die-o-log' with me up close 'n personal like. The idee of it -- takin' MY name in vain with all this nonsense about Gwen and Brittney and Norah Jones, good gawd! And Norah Jones some sort of half breed! Now everyone who knows anythin' knows that Tex Teadrop, the GENUWINE Tex, has one true luv and that's the incomperable, deliteful Miss Lucinda Williams, the most talented pair o' lungs to ever grace country music! Ain't no janey-cum-lately, specially not no half breed! ever gonna replace Miss Lucinda in MY affectations, no sirree! So a word to the wiseguy -- vamose the ranch while ye still kin!
Respectfully yers,
TEX
| lp at home from church | Day: 22
chere - didn't i send you that list? yes, i do love that one - very humbling
how are things, our wonderful juju princess?
please give aus a kiss for june when you see him
| chere | Day: 22
LP? No thoughts on the gratitude thingie? I thought for sure You would have some cool thing to say. Good morning love bTW- Me
| lp at home | Day: 22
or this?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/754110.asp?pne=msn&;cp1=1
| lp, coffee almost done | Day: 22
okay mu, how about this angle, also the topic of debate:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53082-2002May21.html
and he wasn't disowned, how else did he get his funding?
| Clas | Day: 22
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/blackcow
Check that. And I keep the thirds in both B7 and D9, sounds good to me. I jut play the melodi B A B A at the top of the chords.
Right hand bottom - top:
A B D# F# B - A B D# F# A - C E F# B - C E F# A
C
| chere | Day: 22
YGK- You will be IN South Fl FT Laud ? 30 Minutes south of ME? We Must Hook up? Yes? I know I am a sad stranger, but I will call you faw shaaw okay?
Auss- Are you still going to be in FLA for this weekend papi? It would be very soothing for me to spend some time with you and the babes. Give me a ringie dingie tomorrow okay? I'll be around in the afternoon- I'll be with my mom all morning she leaves tomorrow so I want to have as much time with her as I can before she goes home. I know you understand. Tu Brujita loves you sooooo much you know.
Tones- Thanks a million times a million for that beautiful e mail. I will be punching in those numbers tomorrow sometime. It was a lovely lovely surprise.
Aja- So good to see you around these trees and hear a shout out sister girl I have missed YOU!!!!!!! Mwhaaaaaa big smooche for you! My mom is headed out your way Laguna Beach style for her new place to live in the coming months and eventually I'll be there to visit so we will hook up!
Ole- I am still working out my plans for the pilgrimage to my uncle's place and will keep you posted. Angel girl.
Q- So good to see you posting a paragraph or two. good thoughts your way my dear.
To all - Thanks you all for the shout outs, the warm welcome back and the sweet e mails, it lifted me up. This is a very difficult time for me still and I am far from the completion of the healing process and I tend to just "check out" when I get the blues. This is the hardest thing I have ever encountered in my whole life, so much pain and madness. This place has always been very special to me and each and every one of you have a special place in my heart. I do not go to ANY other GB- never have it is not my thing. But you are all really really special folks. I guess I just wanted you to know. Thanks for everything the past couple of months.
Now for some real thought provoking stuff check this:
A GRATITUDE MESSAGE
1. If you have food in the refrigerator, clothes on your back, a roof over your head, and a place to sleep... you are richer than 75% of the world.
2. If you have money in the bank, in your wallet, and spare change in a dish someplace... you are among the top 8% of the world's wealthy.
3. If you woke up this morning with more health than illness...you are more blessed than the MILLION who won't survive this week.
4. If you have never experienced the danger of battle, the loneliness of imprisonment, the agony of torture, or the pangs of starvation... you are ahead of 500 million people in the world.
5. If you can attend a church meeting without fear of harassment,arrest,torture, or death... you are more blessed than 3 BILLION people in the world.
6. If your parents are still alive, and still married... you are very rare, even in the United States.
7. If you hold up your head with a smile on your face, and are truly thankful... you are blessed because the majority can, but most do not.
8. If you can hold someone's hand, hug them, or even touch them on the shoulder, you are blessed because you can offer a healing touch.
9. If you can read this you are doubly blessed in that someone is thinking of you, and furthurmore, you are even more blessed in that over 2 BILLION people in the world cannot read at all.
Have a blessed day, count your blessings, pass this along to remind everyone how truly blessed we all are.
- I personally thought this was so grounding and it made me feel so freakin' lucky. Also this could be very useful to many parents out there in Dandom who have children stuck on the "age of entitlement" vibration. Just a thought. Let me know what you think.
One Love Peoples! -chere JUJU chile'
Music to check out-
Jaguar Wright- Debut Album -Neo Soul
DAG/Righteous 1992/ APT 635 1994 -FUNK/JAZZ
NEW Cassandra Wilson- Belly of the Sun -No need to esplain
| Clas @ Work | Day: 22
Sharkdeville/How/Steeve - I am pretty sure you stay at the B7 chord and the D9 chord. Wait.
C
| Burton Brewer | Day: 22
Helllooooooos back to STEVEEDAN, DANO, STALPHONZO, and JASON, oh and anyone else who knows me (as the speech goes)
OK now LP ...... "Test" I expected, BUT F*** Me - Spanish Inquisition ????? I could sweat days over this BUT would I get any points for sheer nerve by simply telling you to Stuff it !! NO ?? thought not ...
Can I answer one a day ?????
1/ I find that it can be estimated using the following formulae
((a-b/age%)* 500ml * ABV )* DSO
Where a & b are infinitely variable constants that only D & W know the value of (and reserve the right to, and do, randomly generate).
NB Americans will need to convert this formula to run in their chosen units of beer and measurement of Alcohol in same.
DSO is a factor introduced to take account of the effect of the last set list seen performed (magnificently I add) LIVE !
Can I get a pointer from the exam board ?????????
| W1P | Day: 21
I've decided that Mose Allison and Joe Jackson have the same singing voice, Jack You're Dead
| Sen. Hillary Clinton | Day: 21
Tex please don't share our love interests on the worldwide web!
| Tex | Day: 21
Yes I thought of you. Any thing I say will be the wrong answer. If you'd take my calls I wouldn't leave messages all over the net. I love you. Just give us a chance. Please call me
| moot | Day: 21
Osama's family disowned him 20 years ago
| lp at home | Day: 21
like this:
http://www.americanfreedomnews.com/afn_articles/bushsecrets.htm
| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 21
Newbie test #6060842
1. How does your age influence your fandom of steely dan?
2. Favorite update of a steely dan track (that is, from a tour or you can go the open book method and pick one from alive in america)
3. Best thread from the Mojo board?
4. What genre of music do you feel Steely Dan belongs - use the back of this page if necessary
5. Compare the songwriting changes from the Pretzel Logic release with 2vN
6. What changes, if any, would you have made in the arrangement (order) of songs on the 2vN release?
7. Best clip from the "Making of Aja" video
8. What kind of tea do you drink?
9. Favorite Andy Metzger scored download
10. Guitar or saxophone?
11. Jewel or Sade?
12. Bush or Cheney?
13. Batman or Robin?
14. Gwen or Molly?
15. What is Robot's code being used in the posts under this name?
16. What are your plans/schedule for attending summer concerts?
17. Are there any Steely Dan songs you are burnt out on?
18. How much freedom do you think Tom Scott really had in arranging on the Gaucho release?
19. Is there any basis for comparison between Kama and 11 Tracks?
20. Is there a relationship between bush's alleged dealings with bin Laden through business/financial relations and his ability to run "the war on terror" in a "new world order"? (sorry, i am currently debating that hotly on another board, that's where i've been lately, sorry, just looking for more opinions)
Bonus question: what color font do you use when in chat and what is your favorite guest number?
steviedan, so good to see you posting, hope you like the test as well
let's see, jason and burton is it? icpaul, did you take the last one? who did i miss? i always do that when i list names...
hey, i'm home on a weeknight, this is nice, what do people do at night after work anyway? what's on tv?
| Robot | Day: 21
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| sharkdeville | Day: 21
what IS the deal w/ Steamer Heaven??? It's fictitious? Can anyone explain the repeated references?
Re. 'Kamakiriad', '2vN', and the "new" jazzier Dan... I dunno, seems like a totally natural progression to me. But you must notice that 'Kama' is much looser and groove-laden than 'Nightfly'...
'Kama' is one of my all-time favorite records EVER, and I'm still in my 20s...
A friend of mine got pist off when he heard the rearranged versions of "Reelin" and "Bodhisattva" on 'Alive in America', but I think the updates kick ass, and it would be silly for them to try and play'em like the originals. They're not 20 yrs old anymore.
It's the only way we're gonna hear those tunes live, by doing a fresh take to keep Don & Walt interested. The updated version of "Rikki" from '96 is disliked by some, but again, I think it's better in alot of ways. The key change at the solo, and the sly return to the original key for the chorus is brilliant.
And '2vN' is plenty racy... sex, drugs, voodoo, don't know what else...
Again, it's more concerned with a groovy R&B feel than heavy rockin', but I think that can be said of most of the Dan's catalog. The rockin' tunes have always been outnumbered by jazzier things.
Now, back to Steamer Heaven...
| Aja.......................2 down, 3 to go | Day: 21
My boss is talking just outside my door and I'm flagrantly posting.....see what happens when you get off probation?
If anyone is suffering from Nawlins withdrawals, there is an interesting post about Professor Longhair on the mojo board:
http://ubb2.mojo4music.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000356
You'll have to scroll down a few posts until you get to it. Lots of New Orleans history-pass the powdered bread!
Hi Molly! Thanks for the well-wishes, they're always necessary when it comes to men!
Dime dance outta here!
Aja
| Bill | Day: 21
Jim,
You're confused.
Are you trying to compare "Two Against Nature" with the Beatles
ground-breaking post-1966 work? I like you Jim, but that's just
plain crazy. Curtis Mayfield was also another ground-breaking
songwriter of the 70's, with songs like "Freddy's Dead",
"Superfly", and "Move On Up". Are you REALLY trying to say that
any of the songs on 2VN compare with that kind of timeless
stuff? I love Steely Dan too but let's not be naive ok? 2VN
has already been forgotten by the music-buying public.
You say that when it comes to Jazz or Rock, Steely Dan can do it
and do it very well. Well if this is the case, then where's my
rock? Where is it Jim?
Here's my advise to the boys....
I don't get it, and aside from a few very dedicated fans, the
world don't get it either. You're making a mistake. Turn around
and come back before it's too late. I love ya', but I won't lie
to ya' to make you feel better. Good friends don't do that.
| jimbo | Day: 21
So Fagen lost his touch as a songwriter,huh.
I guess the same could be said for the Beatles when they had their ehpihany
in 1966. How about Curtis Mayfield after he left the Impressions. Did you think he lost his touch as a songwriter, then?
Maybe even the Beastie Boys lost their touch shortly after the Licensed to
Ill era ended.
If that's the case, then why go on this GB and think that Fagen wasn't a better songwriter. As some of the other people have pointed, people change and as a result songs change.
Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash are examples of how their styles change after going through some personal changes too. In today's country, it's all the same: happy sounding and viewing the world from a white picket fence with a glass of Country Time in one hand and a thought that things should never change.
As for comparing the rock version of SD with the jazz version: ifyou read the countless interviews, Becker and Fagen both listened to jazz a lot more than rock and roll and even dug Dylan. They knew more about Miles and Brubeck than even any of the kids they went to school with.
What's worse is that you're denying the importance of Jazz as an orignal American art form. Especially in trying times. NPR is even considering cancelling a couple of jazz programs due to low ratings and lack of financial sponsorship. In a world of crap music, regardless of genre,
great music needs to be preserved.
BOTTOM LINE: Jazz or Rock, Steely Dan can do them and they do it very well. Period.
| fa nat eckel | Day: 21
Roy - thanks for that 10 step program.
I see you gave us one extra. :-)
Yes we all probably would have heard the new album somewhere, hopefully before the grammies and tour. Sadly though, some parts of the country are devoid of new Dan.
Classic rock stations wouldn't touch Jack Of Speed or Cousin Dupree.
| Roy.Scam | Day: 21
WHAT IF I NEVER HEARD OF STEELY DAN TILL 2000? (A hypothetical mental exercise I used to determine if the new Dan would have captured me in the same manner as the old Dan): I envision the following eleven step program to attain Dan-dependency. Scroll if easily bored:
1) Hearing Cousin Dupree and Shame, coupled with the general high praise from critics and musicians would have prompted me, eventually , to listen to the TvN CD.
2) If I'd heard Jack of Speed or Janie Runaway on the radio, I would approach the first listening with rabid anticipation; otherwise, it would just be a case of following up on other people's recommendations.
3)I'd have pretty much ignored the first cut (Galighting Abbie) but would have found myself humming the chorus later. [I don't like that 'flame is the game' part, but it sticks to my brain like a car commercial jingle.]
4) 'Jack' and 'Janie' would have been immediate favorites, to which I'd have forced my sons to listen.
5) I'd have been impressed by the musical sophistication, but it would have meant nothing to me as far as whether I liked it or not. (We're talking about a person who could listen to "Sherry Baby" and "Workin' in the Coal Mine" for the first two millenia of Heaven.)
6) Most of the numbers I'd have classified as competent but on the lite/jazz side of my usual tastes.
7) All the carefully planted references like deludin, spider king, Dr. Kreuger, steamer heaven, would have flown right past me. I never really got wrapped up in Mr. Fagen's fictional settings and gizmos.
8) The album would have slowly grown on me because of my returning to it to hear JOS and JR. The lyrics of the other songs would have drawn me into them till I started noticing the subleties of the melodies and variant musical styles.
9) That characteristic bacteria-like growth would have finally driven me to squeeze out three Jacksons for tickets to their concert.
10) Once I'd seen them live (Va Beach Amphitheater), and finished the typical 13 minute period of slack jawed amazement, I'd have become the same slobbering fan that it took me 27 years to become in real life.
11) This newfound obsession would have, in short time, prompted me to annoy my relatives and friends, embarass myself on the internet, convene in remote places with unseen strangers, and question the sanity of anyone who just didn't see it.
RS
| Steveedan | Day: 21
As Howard, Sharkdeville, and Clas have aptly pointed out ...
There is more than one way to skin a cat.
| Howard | Day: 21
Sharkdeville - yes, I think the two of us are agreeing to the same New Frontier chords (using slightly different names). Clas and Stevee went for B7 D9 as the first two chords - which is the right overall feel, but I'm with you - better to specify the changes in triad + bass note that happen. The chords I spelled out earlier are right I think, and they basically match what you're saying. To recap:
Intro:
(LH = piano left hand i.e bass note, RH = right hand i.e triad)
LH / RH
B / D# G# B
B / C# F# A
D / D F# B
D / C E A
in guitar chord shapes, the four triads are: xxx897 xxx675 xxx777 xxx555
Previously I called the first two B6 and A6/B (in the verse they're a tone lower at A6 G6/A).
You're right, the G6/A is *almost* an A9, but it doesn't have the 3rd (C#). A9(no 3rd) is probably more accurate. Including the 3rd in the 9th would give it a subtly different sound.
Same thing with the fourth intro chord: D / C E A = C6/D = D9(no 3rd)
You could also call that second verse chord (A B E G ) Em/A instead of G6/A (as the G6 bit doesn't include the 5th, D). Somehow I hear the "6th chord" sound as the dominant feel,
rather than the minor triad feel, so I prefer using 6th chord names. Using this naming style gives these for the intro chords:
B6
A6/B
D6
C6/D
C#m7
F#6
etc
with A6 and G6/A as the first two verse chords (wing-ding).
You're also right to stress the connection with Black Cow and Chained Lightning - same 6 triad shift over a constant bass note.
Howard
| Steveedan | Day: 21
Bill - as I said before I respect your differing viewpoint. Don't dis my hero Fagen though. You do not know him or what he is capable of. We were all much younger and way more idealistic in the "Me Generation" 1970's when the first 7 albums came out (Gaucho was being at least written at the end of the 70's, OK?). We've all grown a little bit, and the world has changed a lot. As much as I love the early more rock-ified Steely Dan, I would feel that to have them continue solely in that idium would be wrong and would be limiting WB and DF as well as short changing all of us (not just us GB folks). But it's OK. Say what you want. We are all reading it, we can handle it.
Hi Molly - don't delay. See "The Making Of Aja". It won't make you sad. But I will warn you that there are a lot of exterior shots of NYC and you do see the WTC quite a bit. Check out Purdie. Hysterical stuff.
Jason - the lead singer for our PL band as well as the SFB is named Jason, but he goes by "J". If I buried it too much, a big welcome to you and to Burton. The U.K. contingency has grown quite a bit. I think it's great. Dano, and Duncan, when you see Paul "Fingers" Shotan, next, tell him Leadfingers says Hi. by the way, I didn't know that bock beer could be a light color. I would love to try a swallie of that sometime Squire!
Clas - we'll swing by, just be sure to steer clear of that Dude with the stupid face, the glasses and the gun ! (I did think that you had those chords in the proper key, but I never contradict Howard in public ... just not a good idea ...).
Sharkdeville - I totally agree with you, the chords you refer to in both New Frontier and Chain Lightning are the same (being in different keys is not the point ... it doesn't matter). I suppose in the case of the guitar, you simply slide the hand to the proper frets and execute the same fingerings for the chords. On piano, it's a little more complex (white and black notes change, and not necessarily correspondingly, but hey, I chose to stick with the ivories).
Again to Jason - I too had a hard time getting into Jazz when I was a younger man. My Dad had the traditional Jazz like Louis Armstrong, and Ellington, and big band stuff, but fusion was exploading in the 70's, and it was quite hard to navigate. My suggestion would be to check out any player who intrigues you, and get just one CD. Listen to it at least 10 to 20 times before you pass judgement on it. Miles Davis comes to mind for this exercise. But it could be Thelonious Monk, or Herbie Hancock, or George Shearing, or Oscar Peterson (OK, enough piano players), or Sonny Rollins, or Dizzy Gilespie, or Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers, or Weather Report, or, lots of others. Just choose 1 CD, and stick with it. Ask people who's musical tastes you agree with to suggest a CD or 2 for you to try. You will find your own secret passageway into Jazz, I promise you. This will work.
Whatevah - thanks for the correction and confirmation on Gaslighting Abbie.
Be excellent to one another ...
Stevee(Bill&Ted)Dan (Party ON !!)
| jason | Day: 21
bill-- that paragraph on automatic responses was meant more generally, and not directed so much at you specifically. again, i wish i could've come up with the non-patronizing language that reflects my true attitude.
It can't be a bad thing to exhort someone to be, maybe, 90% sure instead of 100%. It is much more important to push artists to push themselves to not let their standards slip, than it is to be diplomatic. i now wish i'd heard "you got the bear". But if your point is that musical taste can be "proven" by personal musical research.. when you start thinking things like that, reality eventually comes along and trips you up big time in some way. Hardly anything's that objective.
It nags at me when intelligent people obviously hear things in music that i don't. I envy other people's ability to not be thrown by this sort of thing, and plunge ahead knowing they're right. I can't help wondering what it is going on the other person's head in response to music and not in mine,and wondering how much of my experience of things is "legitimate" and how much is warped due to my own blind spots, which everyone has.
My main point wasn't dealt with, and it was important, but this is absolutely the point at which to give up. I'm so angry about thie computer tying my eye muscles in knots that i don't trust myself to -- damn it, i can't think with this going on.
both becker and fagen have gradually been working their way toward jazz from the beginning. walter's not the kind of guy to let himself be steamrollered into doing something blander than he wants to do. I think 2vN is what you get when you cross 11 Tracks with Kamakiriad. Both are in there just about equally.
All this has been a case of me sort of doing what you were doing-- we're each crusading (crappy concept considering the muslim situation now) in our own ways and risking pissing people off. i have to shut up-- i can't exercise quality control because of the eyes. If i don't throw this computer in the trash right now, i'm crazy. Christ.
| StAl | Day: 21
Here's a video clip of Dennis Chambers I stumbled across. Still my favorite Steely Dan tour drummer.
http://www.fpzmultimedia.com/musicians.htm
Also look for vid's from Steve Lukather and Warren Hill on the same page.
| Dano | Day: 21
Just got the Hits of Anita B and taking the wee wife to bed and whisper sweet sumthins in her ear........Don and Walt no good for romance so im a gonna turn that jungle music down and play Miss Baker.
Burton , I prefer Tetleys maself??
Duncan ,Whats happenin mancub has the missus gone garrity or what??
Fingers , Been very busy at work but now ready for a night on the lash??Will check out the website of DSO,and try and get my arse in gear??
Midnite ,Wormy ,Sade and Anita very similar!! yes or no
YGK , Do the American Lassies like a real McDonald with a quarter pounder to whisper sweet nuthins in there ear , let me know Malc and i will be on the first flight over there bigfella??
Off to bed , Off to sleep...........
Regards Dano.
| Whatevah happens | Day: 21
Steveee,
No, that's not WB playing bass on Gaslighting, it's Tom Barney
| Bill | Day: 21
St. Al,
I want to thank you for encouraging me to state the obvious.
Without your encouragement I might have kept my mouth shut..NOT!
You're right about Donald being only half of Steely Dan.
He happens to be the half that pissing me off right now that's
all.
| StAl -- In the correction department | Day: 21
Bill -- Quit referring to Donald Fagen as if HE is Steely Dan. HE is not alone.
StAl
| StAlphonzo | Day: 21
I admit it, it's my fault. I'm the one who encouraged Bill to make some of his latest statements. We were in chat the other night and, well, its my fault.
I'm sorry.
However, his opinions mirror many other people I know. For many 2 Against Nature just didn't grab their attention like some of their earlier stuff. I have one friend who considers himself a huge Steely Dan fan, but considers anything they did post Royal Scam pretentious garbage (including their masterpiece -- Aja). I guess it's all what you like, no? I've always heard 2 distinctly different versions of Steely Dan and I love both. For me, what makes this transition plausible is the fact they continue to evolve. With each release they give us something new. They constantly challenge not only themselves, but the listener. What you don't get with Steely Dan is a warmed-over rehash of previously released material (think Rolling Stones). The musicianship is always top-notch and they constantly set the standard for sonic quality. Plus, more than any other band, their music encourages me to explore other music. I've never had a friend/sibling/whatever who could introduce me to Jazz. I found out about Miles, Dizzy, Wes, Brubeck, etc, all through the music of Steely Dan.
Jason, Burton -- welcome!
| Bill | Day: 21
Jason,
Sorry but my musical opinions are not "automatic" nor are the based
on "superficial emotional expressions". Rather, my musical opinions
are based on decades of research, they are time-tested opinions
based on listening to hundreds of songwriters since the 1960's.
I know what Donald Fagan is capable of, and quite frankly, I don't
think I'm getting his best stuff.
He seems to have gone off on a heavy Jazz-oriented tangent. This,
of course, is his prerogative. If he wants to make lite-jazz he
can make lite-jazz, who am I to say otherwise. But when he
decides to slap the Steely Dan name on this tangential work, it's
just wrong, he should'nt do that. If he wants to make easy-
listening music he should publish it under another name, a
name totally unrelated to Steely Dan.
Having said that, I will say that I do like his solo stuff to a
degree, but it's not something that I want to play everyday or
even every other week. It's odd to have his work sit unplayed.
It's not something I'm used to when it comes to him. Maybe if
we hold his feet to the fire on some of this we can cause him
to drop this tangent he's on and get some more songs out of him
like "You Got The Bear".
If nothing is said then nothing will change.
| jason | Day: 21
Bill... plenty of music doesn't need to grow on me, either. But a lot does. The fact that previous material of theirs didn't, doesn't mean the new stuff won't.
I know for a fact that what I am hearing and experiencing through this music is real. These soaring transcendant experiences were not fashioned in my imagination. I'm just not that good. For my imagination to invent what i'm hearing in 2vsN and Kamakiriad, I'd have to have a pretty f'ing good imagination. It'd mean i was basically capable of great songwriting, and that i was doing it in my head, for my own private listening pleasure, without my knowledge.
I've tried songwriting, and always experienced the Ringo syndrome. He'd take all these songs to paul and john, and they'd laugh at him, because he'd relentlessly, unintentionally copy famous songs by other people. Apart from about twenty interesting seconds of something on acoustic guitar i did twenty years ago, I'm crap.
The fact that so many people on this site hear things of such value in the more recent stuff is evidence of ... well, something. Not proof, but evidence. You're denying yourself countless new experiences that could make a big difference in your life, if you just assume that if you don't hear something great in this or that bit of music, then it can't possibly be there. For instance, i really want to like jazz. But apart from SD, Take Five, and Concerto in F/Rhapsody in Blue, I don't get it. I can tell, though, that from the way everybody speaks of it, I'm really missing something, and i don't want to be. I know that i just haven't found that entry point yet, that rosetta stone that in some way will make it start to fall into place for me, emotionally. I don't just decide that jazz "blows" (no pun intended).
The source of most problems in the world is people being WAY too certain of most things, most of the time, including the absolute reality of their "instincts" and "intuition"(something that doesn't exist-- translate as "assumptions"). People form unchangable opinions about everything based on automatic, often superficial emotional impressions. We're not talking about dumb people here-- the smarter someone is, the more she/he assumes he/she's immune to assuming, lets their guard down, and does it even more. (Doctors and dogmatic politicoes, just two examples)
It's great to have strong opinions-- I just think it would help to back off a little from that apparent absolute certainty, and make the opinions a little more tentative, bacause if there is great stuff you can't connect with yet, that's the only way to leave yourself open to it.
Well, i sabotaged my point by sounding patronizing. I wish i could've avoided that, but i couldn't figure out how.
"Tomorrow's Girls" IS the only one that jumps out at you, at first. But even that sounded relatively bland and annoying for years, to me.
SD of PL--- Guinness, if a local brewpub isn't available. A place called "Brewmaster's" is a few minutes away, so why settle for anything else? I'm having trouble grasping why bock doesn't have to be dark, still.
B Brewer--hello. Watch this space for favorites, sd and otherwise. If i don't quit the computer due to the eye disorder it's massively aggravating, i may go through 2vN songs one by one... hard to do if you're not really a musician. I may throw the computer against the wall, though. It's hard not to perceive something causing you so much pain as being the enemy.
hank--hello, thanks for welcome.
Everyone else... stop hogging all the smartass SD reference pseudonyms until I can come up with one. Jeez. (Jolly Roger? No...)
| Another Non-Steely post! | Day: 21
Lesson From the Heavy Rain:
On your way, you meet a shower. You dislike to get wet, so you hurry along the streets running under the eaves. Still, you get wet all the same. As long as you accept that you will get wet, you won't suffer from being wet.
from Bushido, Way of the Samurai
| sharkdeville | Day: 21
Hey gang-
Been out of it for a few days...
re. "New Frontier" chords... I maintain that it kicks off with a B6 to a B9, rather than just B7...
I'll attempt some crude tab for guitar:
7| | | | | ò ( fret 7 down to fret 5 for the intro, 5 to 3 for the verse)
8| | | ò | |
9| | ò | ò |
The verse is in A (as is "Chain Lightning") and that kicks off with A6 to A9 (Howard- isn't A9 the same as G6/A bass, since you don't really play the 5th in a 6 chord [D in this case])
The notes of "a hundred grand" in CL, are the same notes as "wing-ding" in NF, to my ear.
| Mistress of Mayhem aka Molly | Day: 21
Greetings from Hooterville! Do any of you out in Banyanland feel like Dorothy in Wizard of Oz...Toto i'm not in Kansas anymore.
I love both guitar and sax, in any form or combination. Steely had some of the finest musicians bar none playing with them. Any Steely is good Steely!
Stevee, nothing going on just saying HI!!!!
lcpayl, Gwen will be back. Give you up for Walt or Don! Surely not! :) Sorry you're feeling bad. Let's see... you like the Dan and Little Feat,yeah we can play together. If only you climbed....
Wormy & SD, I've been reluctant to watch The Making of Aja. As I said before, I think it would probably make me feel sad. I'll think about it for awhile.:)
SD you sweetheart! thanks again for the download.
Bluz, sorry we couldn't talk more. I pulled a muscle, and then reinjured myself. The Doc has me on some pretty strong meds.( both muscle relaxors and pain pills) They just knocked me out...Talk soon?!!!! Read "Poem in October" by Dylan Thomas, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.
St.Al, you're still the best looking man I've seen in a month!
be peaceful and loving my GB friends M.
| wormy | Day: 21
there are two sade live dvd offerings out there
sade live and lovers live
both are nice, but I prefer the latest - lovers live
very nice visuals
there is also a sade videos dvd release that looks quite dated in places
always thought her backing band was tasty, refined and left a lot of nice space in the music
tom
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 21
Burton....the Sade concert DVD is called "Sade Lovers Live" and was released this year. The running time is an hour and 56 minutes and includes 22 songs plus some extra info and a video. It's a nice mix of her older stuff with some newer tunes too. Highly recommended if you're a fan.
| angel | Day: 21
Mu: "gratuitous Sax...", you just crack me up. LOL
W1P will back me up here. Both he and I are on record for coming over to Steely Dan from the Rock side of the street. But that doesn't mean that we don't like a good sax solo. As a matter of fact, when we were both watching SFB last year and both commented on how great a sax solo was. I thought it was very funny that 2 rock fans would make a comment like that. W1P took it even further by borrowing that sax player for his own band. A very funny irony.
For me, Steely Dan just doesn't do it unless, I have all the elements going on. It is the contrast between the wailing sax, the screaming guitar and piano solo's on top of a great groove done by the drums and bass. Put it all together with some nasty sneering lyrics and I am in SD heaven. But, that is not to say that the solo efforts aren't great also, because they are, just in a slightly different form. KJOY, I don't think so. Subversive to the end.... :-)
| Steveedan | Day: 21
Bill--
I do not share your opinion about Two Against Nature but I also do not hold your differing views about it as a point to fight about. We all got our own opinions here about lots of things. Not a problem.
When I first heard 2VN it reminded me a little bit of Kamakiriad, but with a stronger R & B influence and a rock-ier feel provided by more guitar work and a larger WB presence and involvement.
I saw it as a more sophisticated, jazzier body of work by two geniuses who chose to continue to compose and produce music that continues to be more jazz influenced, as their previous CDs show that same "more Jazz and more sophisticated than their previous album" growth path.
I still see it as jazz-rock, and though at first listen it might seem like jazz-lite, just like Katy Lied, or other SD offerings, with repeated listenings, the real flavor is revealed and it is way more intense than Kenny G., or Manhattan Transfer could ever be. And I think that's a good thing.
I used to say about their first 5 albums (up through The Royal Scam) that I thought that many of the guitar solos in their songs could have been horn solos - they are so unique and tasty.
Take another listen Bill, and come back and tell us if anything changes for you.
The bass line in the intro of Gaslighting Abbie (especially that bent note played just before the drums kick in) knocks me out every time! That is one of my favorite moments on the CD (that's WB on bass, right?). One of my other favorite moments is in the sax solo in Janie Runaway, just before the conclusion of the solo when the drums sound like they are breaking down into a new section and then the drummer turns the rhythm around upon itself and goes back to a more normal groove at the conclusion of the solo section. To me stuff like this is a huge treat to listen to. I never get tired of it.
That's my 2 cents on the subject.
Stevee-Runaway
| ╡ | Day: 21
~: re: Bill...No wonder they couldn't release Janie Runaway as a single. Perverted sex is OK, but godforbid gratuitous Sax...
Some people like the stuff on RadioFreeDandom...
some people like the stuff on BanyanTree Radio...
| Burton Brewer | Day: 21
Midnite Cruiser; The Sade DVD was ?? her last CD was certainly back on the top shelf like her early work "Your Love is King" Sax to die for ? I've got a ticket to see Jewel next week @ Manc Apollo similar vocals discuss ....
Fingers; There's those horns again ..... Man cannot live by Dan alone
Another day nearly over - still not found out LOL
| Moby - made of stardust | Day: 21
Anybody remember Burt Lancaster in "Local Hero?" How 'bout the chick with the webbed toes?
| Tony Curtis | Day: 21
Man, I almost got dusted by Burt in that movie...
| Burt Lancaster | Day: 21
Anything near me must be ashes.
| MC again | Day: 21
Hank....Bucolic, PA? Is that anywhere near Lancaster? ; )
later y'all.
| YGK | Day: 21
Aja: when I visit San Diego later this year, should I wear my flyboy get up? just checkin.....*wink* hope you are well......
St. Al: I think I have the general concept of what to do as we discussed - it's lookin like August/September now.....
Fla/Dave: June 21 - 24 - me in Ft. Lauderdale - maybe will rent a car - going with about 3 local girlies - they have a house, not sure where I'll be......but I could come across and see you and Dale one day/eve or 2 - Saturday gig, we'll see......
call me, and I'll get you back.......left a message for your buds here......
ygk
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 21
picked up the new Sade concert on DVD last night....smoking set with infectious grooves and that oh so sultry voice....motherhood agrees with the lady....if you like her music, this is a must have!
| Hank - in bucolic Pennsylvania | Day: 21
YGK: RadioDestiny connection wasn't the best, but I guess in the horse-and-buggy days of the Web, it's amazing there was a connection from Oregon to PA at all. Weren't those your vocals on Eye To Eye?
| YGK | Day: 21
Worm-ay-shun: sent you 3 Bonnies - gonna mount/mat in a montage all in one frame - VERY psyched as my house is getting in order.
Salsa on that ramble of Friday night? hmmmmm - it was so surreal - i hear a narration over mood piece.....but let's see, her name is Daisy Sung. No kidding. other people I know: Sasserman Swing; Urban Wilde, and then there's a cat named Whadfors......yup, that's a work in progress.......
started another one last night - Jungle Surprise - 4 guys on vacation stumble on 10 amazons........
"Kurt's got one 50 feet away;
Kurt's got one 50 feet away;
Kurt's got one 50 feet away;
and she won't let go till the mornin....."
Hank: where are you? across the pond? it's good the know someone heard it besides us.....we did happen to pop some champagne during the show......
ygk
| wt | Day: 21
NYBILL wrote
Kamakiriad" (except for "Tommorrow's Girls") and "Two Against
Nature" do not instantly grab the listener like the older works
did. They are somewhat emotionally flat, lack any element of
danger/edge, and are top-heavy in the Jazz department. The
music isn't bad, it just isn't Steely Dan. Where the heck is the blistering rock guitar solo in all of this? Many of these
later songs leave the listener wondering if or when the song
is ever going to get off the ground and really fly.
.....
Sure it's a generalization. Here's another generalization...
The older Steely Dan stuff kicks the hell out of any of the
Post-Gaucho work.
~ since when is a blistering guitar solo a prerequisite for an engaging steely dan song? okay we all have our preferences. I for one don't want to be rattled by one of those skunk baxter jarring solos after a long day at work but will slip into something more... well, sedate
yes sometimes DOnald sounds like he wants a go at being Manhattan Transfer,
but give him his moments... anything he's released has been engaging to my ears
worm tom
| And yes, thank you... | Day: 21
You can pick me up on one of the Caymen islands, I'll be on the beach.
I'll wave...
C
| C @ Work | Day: 21
SAINT AAAAAAAL!!!
Steeve Dan is dumb, now he's blaming me saying...
No, just kidding.
---
Stevee - the New Frontier-chords I wrote are in the right key.
Bb7 - D9 - C#m7 - F#6 - A/B - Em7 - E7 - Esus7 etc...
Play along with the CD and you'll see... you'll HEAR, I mean.
C
| SD of PL | Day: 21
HI Howard -
I didn't mean to write those chords in the wrong key. It's all Clas' fault. I just took his chords and went from there. Our Pretzel Logic band is playing Green Flower Street and I.G.Y. from The Nightfly album, and I haven't played New Frontier in quite a while so I apologize for the mistaken key.
About that Steely Dan songbook, I don't remember the name of it, but I got a call from Hollywood Sheet Music last Saturday (I told ja they know me) to tell me they got in my Gershwin song books (these are actual Gershwin piano transcriptions not easy-piano-for-the casual-student stuff) and that the Steely Dan song book would be in next week. I will go up to the store and play through the Dan book and if it is good, I will post the particulars here.
I also liked your use of the word "penultimate". It reminds me of the meal Jesus had the night before "The Last Supper" and also of 10CC's "The Second Sitting For The Last Supper". Great guitar licks in that song.
Good Golly Miss Molly - "The Making Of Aja" is great. The Bernard "Pretty" Purdie segment is a hoot ...
"You dunnit, You done hired the hitmaker", and "Frank Sinatra" are great moments. It will make sense to you once you have seen it.
LP ... Ell Pea ... We want the Quiz ... QQQUIZZZ. Make it Really Steely.
(Don't ask Jason what his favorite beer is ... he'll just tell ya ... Welcome Squire!)
And now for some pre-SHAMELESS PLUGGING ...
The Pretzel Logic Band will be appearing at Paladino's in the Valley of Los Angeles on Saturday July 27th. We will be opening for a Genesis tribute band (W1P - I don't know their name so I don't know if it was the band you mentioned previously).
Clas ... and Howard ... you are cordually invited to attend. Fingers Shotan, Gina, Duncan, lcpaul, and all those out of the country too. We've chartered a private jet to pick you up. Just e-mail me your addresses and we'll come and get you. If you don't specify your preferred champagne and caviar, we will be serving D.P. and boluga, OK?
And for those wishing to attend from the North American continent ... we've hired a blimp ... got it from a leprechaun.
Please RSVP at www.yeah!Right!.com
Stevious O'Dannous (Direct descendant of Patty O'Furniture)
| Bill | Day: 21
Jason,
Funny, none of Steely Dan's prior work ever had to "grow on me".
From "Countdown To Ecstasy" to "Gaucho", I was instantly held
spellbound. The earlier SD releases were innovative and masterful.
They are classics which still enjoy multi-generational support.
"Kamakiriad" (except for "Tommorrow's Girls") and "Two Against
Nature" do not instantly grab the listener like the older works
did. They are somewhat emotionally flat, lack any element of
danger/edge, and are top-heavy in the Jazz department. The
music isn't bad, it just isn't Steely Dan. Where the heck is
the blistering rock guitar solo in all of this? Many of these
later songs leave the listener wondering if or when the song
is ever going to get off the ground and really fly.
Hank,
Sure it's a generalization. Here's another generalization...
The older Steely Dan stuff kicks the hell out of any of the
Post-Gaucho work.
...and now for the easy-listening sounds of Donald Fagen here
on KJOY...
| thirdworldlcpaul | Day: 20
Aha!
Suddenly it's clear.
This isn't actually a Steely Dan GB. It's a thinly veiled opportunity for Blue Note to offload Norah's "Come Away With Me."
Which, incidentally, I also purchased last week, and have been listening to with great listenity. Gorgeous.
And some local hack had the temerity to trash it in a local rag last night.
Christ. Where do they find these people?
Mol - if I attempted to explain my temporary absence from these esteemed pages, either most GBers would be bored to tears or turned on. As far as Gwen's concerned, I reckon she's disappeared up her own imagination, or she's now posing as Don or Walt. Or both. Or wait, I know, Gary Katz. Or David E Kelley (so glad they're killing that programme). Or David Lynch.
Mol, sorry about the rant. Better out than in though. Also been busy and had the 'flu and don't have a computer at home. Goodness, my VCR (yes VCR not DVD) doesn't even have a remote!
Anyway, greetings and good wishes to all, especiallly Molly. Will you be my new Gwen? It's not easy, but it's worth it:]
Hey, at least I got some SD mentions in.
| W1P | Day: 20
Is the yellow broken?
| gouldish | Day: 20
Steven Gould Noted scientist of Harvard dies at 60
never liked his puncuated equilibrium theory
but he was a scholar and a nice read
http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/05.16/99-gould.html
| W1P | Day: 20
Wormy is the anti-W1P -- the solos are the thing that dragged me into the Dan. It's the "jazz Dan" v. "rock Dan" -- I fall in the latter. So you think you can tell?
| Bill Clinton | Day: 20
Hillary has put on 30 lbs. since becoming Senator. Man, she's starting to look pretty hot!!
| wormy | Day: 20
Molly
The Making of Aja was made ala the "classic albums" series
well worth picking up in dvd or vhs
many informative moments, fun chuckles from the boys
and Mr Purdie himself is worth the price of admission
you can pick one up cheap via ebay
tom
| Molly | Day: 20
re: post 1657, Christ Wormy! you're right...never post before the coffee gets the old gray matter buzzing! lol T.Scott arranged and conducted all the horns on Aja. Played tenor sax on Black Cow....oh well I'm just not as hip as you guys. Where do you all find all these interviews? I gotta start watching more T.V. :)
Bluz honey, I think you should get a gig closer to Ky. This time difference is a killer. Sorry we couldn't talk, the only things that weren't misbehaving last night were the fish! Talk soon?!!
lcpaul have you ran off with Gwen?
Aja, hope you and that fly-boy are doing well.
YGK, from the photos I've seen, it would appear you have about as many cowgirls as the law allows...lol.
I'm glad you all had a good time. It was nice putting faces with names.
be peaceful and loving M.
| wormy | Day: 20
ygk - pics, send em ova
I hear a bouncy bossa nova beat on your piece
I'll have to send some lyrics your way for your instrumental slant
Angel - I too am less inclined to the phrenetic guitar solos
keep it laid back and melodic
am I the only one that skips Kid Charlemagne, Reeling, Black Friday?
picked up the new Wayne Shorter "footprints live"disc at lunch
it's on right now, very nice, textural, and vibrant
recorded in euro leg (only crowd noise is on the end of cuts)
his pianist is more prevalent in the mix than I recall at Jazzfest
a strong wormian recommendation, beautifully recorded
also picked up the Norah Jones disc (heavy recommendations here and at audiogon.com) I noticed drummer extraordinaire Brian Blades is on that as well, I'm in for a musical afternoon at work
2003 tour - Gabriel, Dan, and who else?
I hear the stones are touring this fall,
they can inflate a blimp, but can they do much else?
does anyone still care?
| YGK | Day: 20
Hank: muchas thanks.......
Worm: just a poem right now, or a reflection on a wonderful thing......more to come......
And I was emailed the Bonnie Photos.....let me know if you want to see the jpegs....
and she was a short romance in New Orleans, but still wonderful gravy on the potatoes of jazzfest......
ygk
| lp | Day: 20
okay, i'll post a test this week, a busy day here today - tomorrow or wednesday - so study up there, it's an open book (webpage) exam, phew!
and i'll take a guiness, thanks!
welcome! maybe corpsy v will give you some stripes if you do really well - lol!
| YESSS A BEER... | Day: 20
...wouldn't be such a good idea.
C
| Burton Brewer | Day: 20
lp A test ?? thought I had an intro from Fingers Shotan BUT if I must endure trial by Dan, then so be it, OR alternatively I have a large supply of BEER is this forum open to bribery and corruption (Lucky Guess)
| lp | Day: 20
hhmmmm - do i detect more newbies? is a test in order?
let me know...
| Burton Brewer | Day: 20
JASON
I got re energised onto 2vsN by hearing the DSO (www.dannysteelorchestra.co.uk) live versions of Coz Dupree and Jack of Speed - their horns section (lungs of angels) got the JOS refrain spot on . The variety of Dan must surely mean you will vary your faves from time to time .... discuss
FINGERS
Spare your blushes The Keys hit the spot too BUT I'm a horns man
| jason | Day: 20
aja und oleander... thanks for welcome.
bill (et al)... it literally took ten years for kamakiriad to grow on me. it seemed bland, even embarrassing, you know, that sinking feeling you get of-- oh god, he's washed up. it took my playing "t-i skyway" from a CD "hits" collection (though it wasn't one) at 2 different bars several times before it clicked. the rest of the album grew on me in a cascade effect over the next few months. this just shows that the verdict is never totally or irrevocably in, if you keep your mind open. it's better than gaucho, actually. not as "tough" as the others, but let df show a vulnerable side, without booting him in it. not that your posting was all that inflammatory; it wasn't. i did think df may end up being too mild without wb's influence, but i then noted the bit in the middle of "trans-island" where donald lusts after a bloody accident victim he comes across.
2 against nature... took a dozen listenings. then i obsessed on it for a year. it's a miracle-- almost like having the beatles come back, and be as good as they ever were. and i'm a really hard sell on anything new. it's better and tougher than gaucho. gaslighting abbie just explodes out of the speakers when it starts. at first to me all the songs sounded uniform, just sort of light "breezy" jazz-pop, and this was annoying. GIVE IT TIME. more than anything alse it's like katy lied in feel, but harder-edged, funnier. and i loved it when i noticed the lines about... "who has a friend called Melanie..." and got the joke. something like that really draws me into an album. i didn't latch onto REM at all, until i noticed the lines about andy kaufman in "man on the moon", and especially the one about (apparently?) waking up dead expecting to be at st. peter's gate, and it's just a truck stop. i can identify with gut-wrenching disillusionment and anti-climax.
(i hope this discussion isn't just cryptic notes between people who already know each other. but hey, i can get cryptic with the best of 'em.)
then, for what it's worth, i moved on to obsessing on "songs from the west coast" by taupin/john for the following year, and i hope it'll be "are you passionate" by neil young next.
| W1P | Day: 20
Think slang
| Hank | Day: 20
ole: You prove that feverdreaming requires both hemispheres of the brain, not only for research but also the subsequent development. Keeps the mind supple.
Bill: Interesting generalization. Of course, we know all generalizations are wrong (including this one). But wasn't it Bob Dylan who said "It's hard to be a bitter millionaire."? Not that it can't be done...
Roy: Just tryin' to be a point of light without being a 15-watt bulb, y'know?
Jason: Glad you dropped in. Come back again when you can.
| wormy | Day: 20
sax solo on aja title track is Wayne Shorter
even interviewed for making of aja vid
love his imitiation of miles "never give too much away..."
another in a long line of Dan jazz greats one off submissions
loved seeing Wayne's new quartet at Jazzfest, highlight of the fest for me
YGK - love your new song lyrics
so is this a slinky infectuous salsa beat???
st al, thanks for posting the nawlins photos
auss and babes did some great camera work, kudos
ella/louis verve compilation currently tickling my ears
"you say tomato and I say tomato..."
saturday night, miss krall, maria and I have an intimate date
toodles
wormy
| um...Hutch | Day: 20
I thought Tom Scott did the sax work on Aja....far as I know he's about as black as a snowflake. Very wasp looking dude. But maybe I'm wrong....
| Hutch | Day: 20
W1P - "A brother and a white boy"? I have a brother (he lives in Texas) and he's a white boy. So how does all this work?
Don: "Listen Walt, I think that for this sax solo here on Aja we should try to get a brother to play it".
Walt: "I'm with you man. Gimmee five"!
| Yes. Phew! | Day: 20
Howard/Steeve: naturelement! You're absolutely right about the 2nd Black cow-bar. It's not easy to do this with the left hand, if you excuse the expression :-)
And yes, the F#-chord , it contains the third. You say A#, I am looking for Bb.
Ouch, my tiny brain. Must go home and take a nap now.
C
| Howard | Day: 20
Clas - that outtro chord in NF is just an F#aug, as Steeve said. It *does* have the third (F# in the bass, A# D F# in the right hand).
LH / RH
F# / A# D# F#
F# / A# D F#
B / A C# E
nice.
Howard
| Howard | Day: 20
Clas - oops, I jumped to the wrong conclusion about the "New Frontier?" image/music you put up! It's just because sharkdeville had mentioned the connection bewteen Chained Lightning, Black Cow and New Frontier chords, I wrongly assumed ....
Steeve - new SD songbook? When I search for Steely Dan at www.halleonard.com I can't spot any new titles. Have you got the exact title, or a URL for the new book?
Black Cow chords - Clas, I agree with Steeve about the second bar - the Bb D G triad needs to last longer. Get rid of the last two 8th note triads, and add some dots to the half note chord.
Also, as Steeve was saying (though I didn't completely follow the Da-yaa notation stuff...!) there are a couple of slurs in the chords that you could put in. On the very first bit in the first bar, I'd put a slur from the Bb6 triad (Bb D F) going up to the C6 (C E A). Probably a dotted 8th note + 16th note triplet rhythm. Same thing at start of 2nd bar, and also on penultimate 8th note chord in first bar (slightly different rhythm, same slur from Bb6 to C6). The guitar plays these as slides, and the e. piano does a similar grace note thing.
Stevee - not sure about adding the b7. It's hard to hear every note of the e. piano part of the CD version (though it is there Clas, I'm sure!), but I think it just doubles the guitar. The piano/vocal demo plays the same thing. All I hear in the right hand are the two 6 triads - C E A and Bb D F, over a basic C bass. As sharkdeville said, play these same chords over the C bass, but in the order C6 Bb6 C6 C6 C6 Bb6 and you have the start of Chained Lightning (different key of course).
And (finally connecting back to NF again) - you get this same 6-triad shift over the same bass note at the start of New Frontier. Stevee - apart from being in the wrong key, I think the previous NF chords I posted were OK.
"Yes we're gonna have a ..." C# F# A then B E G (A6 and G6) over an A bass. Sounds good to me. Same thing in the intro, where Clas wrote "B7", I'd rather pin it down more precisely. It's the same 6-triad shift, now one step up from the verse which is in A.
Phew!
Howard
| Burton Brewer Coors Light my Fire | Day: 20
Burton,Taylor,Brewer&Shippleyon thames/O'toole,Harris&Beck on ale ?????? Bet you have fun filling in forms !!
Blue blood and rain
I can hear the bugle playin'
| Burton,Taylor,Brewer&Shippleyon thames/O'toole,Harris&Beck on ale | Day: 20
Now they lay his body down
Sad old men who run this town
I still recall the way
He led the charge and saved the day
2 cats will groove ya"
| Clas @ Servitude | Day: 20
Stevee - the F# augmented chord, great, dankio. It's a F#+5 something uh? No third.
C
(no, not the chord)
| Burton Brewer | Day: 19
Fingers Thx for the greet - don't seem many Brits in here - Show yourself Loyal Subjects !!! (Not an invitation to Flashers !!!) Back to work for you today ?? Is there gas in the car ?
Anybody else ........ Hi !!!! Hola & Cheers from the land of Beers
| EssDan | Day: 19
... you're feeling the change of the guard, Oleeeeee.
Mr. WormTom - I must "speak" with you. I don't want to burdon the guest book (any more than I just did responding to Clas' music questions).
Please e-mail me. Thank you Topus Soilous.
Stevious Danousness
| Steveedan | Day: 19
Hi Clas - you're probably NOT at work yet. This is regarding your post #s 1635 - 1637 ...
I posted my response to you at the moment I read your first post about this. Don't worry about it. Now regarding your Black Cow chords ...
Yes, Clas, I can read music, thank you very much ...
You are on the right path with your "vamping" chords in the first half of the verse section. You're using a couple of C6 chords and one Bb6 chord. I think you are right for the guitar. For keyboard, I add a b7 to each chord making them C13 and Bb13 chords. Now, the way you've notated those 2 measures ...
| Da Ya-aah, Da Da | Da Ya-aah, Da Da | - is a little bit simplistic. Be sure to allow for the rest in the second half of the second measure. Also, there is an extra chord played in the second half of the measure, so instead of my silly notation of "Da Da", it would be my equally silly notation of "Dada Da" ... so it would look like this (in my special "mental institution" notation style):
| Da Ya-aah Dada Da | Da Ya-aah ... | Da Ya-aah Dada Da | Da Ya-aah ...|
| Green Street, there ya |Go ... looking | So outrageous and they | tell you so |
I know my "lyrics" measures don't match up very neatly to the "mental institution" measures, but there are 4 of each. I bet you can figure out how they go together.
Not a bad effort Clas, OK?
Now, about New Frontier ... you wrote the following progression (which is for the most part correct (!) for all but the final time it is played in the song where it is just Rhodes and harmonica (but I guess you knew that one was a bit different ...):
B7 - D9 - C#m7 - F#6 - A/B - Em7 - E7 - Esus7 - E7
There is one more chord, and it follows the F#6. The chord is F#augmented.
This is easily achieved with a little tight voice-leading which is one of the many reasons that Fagen (and his amazing bull-pen of keyboardists) are my heros ... The F#6 is voiced like this (notated right hand ascending /left hand):
F#6 = A#-D#-F# / F# (or an octave of F#s), then you drop the D# a half-step to D natural so you have A#-D-F# / F# (or an octave of F#s).
I am certain that this is accurate. Give it a try. It is actually a fairly easy chord progression to play.
Lastly, you wrote about that keyboard-waffle (as you have referred to it) that follows (in the first verse) the lyrics: "A summer smoker underground". (The corrected version in your post # 1637)
G - D - G# - D - A - D - G# - D ... this again is absolutely correct.
Good job.
OK. All the non-musicians may wake up now, thank you.
Everybody have a great week and as our Mistress of Mayhem says:
Be peaceful and loving to one another.
Steveedan
| Oleeeeeeee | Day: 19
Oleee
I appreciate Rudyard Kipling and always will..he haunts and
I will remain.
"All the signs are right this time
you don't have to try so very hard
If you live in this world..
the 2 guys
bluz
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 19
I used to be a big X-Files fan but had given up on it the last two seasons. Figured I'd watch the series finale tonight since it was the last new television episode ever. Well, it was somewhat predictable television faire but it was well done if you're an X-Files fan. It wrapped up some longtime story lines and pretty much assured we'll see more from Mulder & Scully in the movie theatres in the months and/or years to come. Not a bad show overall.
| Hank | Day: 19
"I wanna Lamborghini in my garage / won't you please help..."
"See eye to eye / C I 2 I..."
Core sounds good, Mr. Hunter. Keep it going, mate.
| jjeff ( or Gustav the Mauler) | Day: 19
W1P: I just checked out the sight. I get the biggest kick out of the names they come up with in hip-hop/rap. These guys got a Uma Theramin.
| r-r-r-r EEEET | Day: 19
Roy.Scam
Yes it is possible to trill within the "contraints of the electonic word"
Thanks for getting it.
bluz
| W1P | Day: 19
For reasons I wont bore you with, I ended up at Pac Bell Park on Friday night and then on to the Elbo Room in the Mission District (this would be SF or "the City," as the locals like to call it). Anyway, Pac Bell Park is wonderful even if its beauty has now attracted every Cal or Stanford Yuppie in a 100 mile radius diluting the "edgey" character that used to typify a Giants' crowd at Candlestick. Apperaring at the Elbo Room by way of Boulder Colorado was Yo Flaco, a Steely Dan inspired Hip Hop group -- I kid you not. They have two vocalists, a brother and a white boy. Where's that Eminem poster when you need him? I am not much on the Hip Hop scene, but these guys were PEROFRMERS with a real band behind them (no 2 turntables and a microphone with this group). They are playing Monday night at BB King's on Universal City walk. www.yoflaco.com if you have any interest.
| Robot | Day: 19
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| Diva of Disorderly Conduct | Day: 19
And Bill, every band in the 70's had the obligatory guitar solo! The Dan was just sooo much better at them then most. :) You think there was a record company conspiracy? lol
| Jesus Maria Magdalena: | Day: 19
The cool acoustic piano-waffle on the E chords goes:
G - D - G# - D - A - D - G# - D (following the minor/major/sus)
That's better.
Goodnite,
C
| Clas, going home to watch Sopranos | Day: 19
And about New Frontier:
The intro chords as well as the outro chords are:
B7 - D9 - C#m7 - F#6 - A/B - Em7 - E7 - Esus7 - E7
The cool acoustic piano-waffle on the E chords goes:
G - D - G# - D - G# - D (following the minor/major/sus)
| Please steeve: | Day: 19
Steeve Dan - This is was I said a few posts down:
ôHoward - oh Jesus, no, that WASN'T MEANT to be New Frontier. That's a question mark after the title; "New Frontier?", I just wrote down some notes to see if it worked to put up a site fast. No gaslighting intended.ö
But what do you think about my guitar-riff-notations on Black cow? Are they right? The URL:
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/blackcow
You do read music Steeve?
C
| father william | Day: 19
1633 > see post 1548
Ole struck twice on the gaucho demos.
| | Day: 19
Roy- You mean,(re:Ole's thesis) "You got the Bear"....right?
| Roy.Scam | Day: 19
oleander~ That mini-thesis on Were You Blind was remarkable. (Thus, I am remarking.) I'm now even more impressed with the song and with you. Any time you can get Doctor Mu to say, "How did you know all that." , well that's like getting Michael Jordan to say, "How did you make that shot?"
Bluz~ I haven't heard Jackie Wilson mentioned since that post-Lionel Richie Commodores song about the Nightshift (JACKIE...JAckie...jackie). You woke up the 10 year old boy that lives inside me and still refuses to clean up his room. I always try to pronounce Reet Pettite like Jackie did: sort of a, "r-r-r-r-EEEET Pettite (finest gal you'd ever wanna meet)".--Is it possible to trill within the constraints of electronic word processing?
Fingers~ 'Sit and listen to the music' -- radical concept.
Bill~ I concur with your succint and controversial pronouncements on 2nN (the album) and Gaslighting Abbie; I still think GA was used to open the album because that opening funky vamp is so good, and the numberis such a good showcase for the chops of the musicians and the fidelity of your stereo system. It may not be a Dan-caliber song, but it IS a great recording with great performances.
Dragon~ That Churchill quote about ending a sentence with a preposition is one that I've often chuckled at... that is, one often at which chuckled have I. Thanks.
St Al~Great New Orleans pictures. Looking good and looking happy everybody. That Cooter Brown's looks like the kind of place where I would like to begin my descent into alcoholism, hedonism, obesity, and poverty.
Good to see Hutch, Blaise, Q, F#, Hank and Aja puncturing the darkness again.
RS
| Steveedan - The Publisher's Friend | Day: 19
Regarding Post #s 1554 (Howard) and 1553 (Clas):
(I'm only up to last Thursday's posts but reading as fast as I can ... GREAT CRITIQUE OLE !!!)
If Howard's assumption is right, if the chords Clas wrote are the first 2 keyboard chords of the song "New Frontier", sorry, they are incorrect.
Howard's got the right chord type, but remove the top notes and you are closer to what is actually being played on the electric keyboard.
Rather than being argumentative about this whole chord thing (like it has been in the past) let's take a more collaborative approach. I still think that Howard constructs the most faithfully correct chord charts (even though he is approaching it from the guitar rather than the piano - which makes things even more difficult for him), but they aren't exactly perfect.
But they are better than everyone else's attempts.
Howard, regarding your correcting my Glamour Profesion chart, you were absolutely correct. I missed what you pointed out (don't worry if you don't remember exactly what I am referring to) and now that I have included your "notes" into my chart, I can totally hear the difference ... and the improvement.
The Pretzel Logic band is working Glamour Profession in it's repertoire. It is possible that one of our musicians would have caught the mistake that I made (by exclusion), but thanks to Howard, I did not have to offer an apology.
Oh, and a tip for the interested guest book musicians ...
A new Steely Dan songbook has just been released by Hal Leonard. I have been waiting for the release of this one for quite a while. It was promised back in January, but now that Warner Brothers has purchased the company, delays were indemic. Go to the Hal Leonard publishing site and see how many new Steely Dan Songbooks exist.
One book in particular that I think is a great reference source (for keyboards, obviously) is called Steely Dan - Just The Riffs for keyboard. This one is a winner !!!
For people in the Los Angeles area looking for a great sheet music store, try Hollywood Sheet Music (a couple of blocks east of Fairfax at the corner of Ogden and Sunset Blvd.). This is probably the BEST sheet music store in Los Angeles (323)850-1075. Tell them Steve the Steely Dan fanatic sent you. They all know me and my brother Ken well.
Just trying to be of service to the fabulous musicians who frequent these here parts.
Steeveyous Dannous
| Molly , Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 19
Greetings from Hooterville!!! Exciting time this morning, a pole cat sprayed the dog. Poor thing had had a tomato juice bath, and then 3
regular ones..Nothing like country living! lol
Fingers, not to worry...found your fanstay intriguing! lol..and while Duncan doesn't have anything I want, you on the other hand......I've never had the pleasure of going to Yosemite. It is the ultimate. I am fortunate that I live close to Red River Gorge. It is one of the best places for sport climbing in U.S. also have done some climbs in neighboring states, Tx. and N.M.... but will not bore y'all with that! Don't get rock jocks started on climbing, Fingers...they will usually talk your ears off about it!
Jason Babe! welcome, don't worry about context...No one else does. I too had similar thoughts about Negative Girl. Please tell me you don't think Rikki was about an ambivalent homosexual! lol
Bill, like I've said before, Walt always had more ground fog on his soul..that's why his lyrics lacerate and haunt mine. You want to take the Dan's music from the 70's and apply it out of context. The 70's were very turbulent times..We were recovering from the heart break of Viet Nam. Everyone I knew was sickened by the corruption and hypocrisy in our society. Steely always had the jazzy sound. Part of their musical genius was pairing the music with such cutting lyrics. If the Dan played the same song...with different words, they wouldn't be the Dan. B&F were stretching their musical wings...people grow and change! The Dan's music reflects those changes. nuff said Wild Bill!
BLUZ BLUZ where the hell are you? I've been worried , please get in touch.
be peaceful and loving M.
| Battle of the Falsettoes | Day: 19
I just saw a DVD of Kenny Rankin in concert and it's good to know that some singers can keep their great falsetto voices as they age...
| C | Day: 19
Billy the Kid - Fagen once said in an interview that composing while you're young is pretty much a narcissistic kind of thing. Growing old you have to approache the song-writing-procedure from another angle.
He also said (Arena spring/summer 93):
ôIn Steely Dan we were very arrogant kids ... when life starts to kick you around, you have to swallow your pride.ö
C
| Clas back in Servitude | Day: 19
Howard - oh Jesus, no, that wasn't meant to be New Frontier. That's a question mark after the title; "New Frontier?", I just wrote down some notes to see if it worked to put up a site fast. No gaslighting intended.
Back to Black Cow;
Listened to the vinyl, and I CAN NOT hear the elpiano play the guitar riff.
And Sharkdeville, you're talking about those triads, as in Chain Lighting etc, I notated what I think must be the right thing, from my head, no keyboard here, so don't shoot me:
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/blackcow
Right hand is playing these chords while left hand is staying at C:
C-E-A Bb-D-G E-A G-C
Well, look at the notation at the above URL, could this be the right shit?
C
| Bill | Day: 19
WARNING: This Post Contains Questions Which May Be Construed
By Some To Be Inflammatory. Parental Guidance Is Advised.
************************** SUBJECT ****************************
Has Donald Fagan's Post-Gaucho Songwriting become "Easy Listening"?
*******************************************************************
Some say that Donald's later songs are too laid-back, too Jazzy,
and generally have "no balls". Starting with the "Nightfly"
album we see a much softer side of Fagan's personality. "Kamakiriad"
and "Two Against Nature" contain more of the same. Could it be that
the "Post-Gaucho Donald" is, in a word, "domesticated". Could all
the Pre-Nightfly fortune and fame have caused Donald to become
"soft"? Is this a happier Donald Fagan who has'nt a care in the
world? Has this caused his songwriting to become "easy listening"?
Walter Becker seems to have retained his edge with songs like
"Junkie Girl", "Surf And/Or Die" and "Hard Up Case", but what
has happened to Donald Fagan's edge? Has he lost it?
Remember that scene from "Rocky", where Rocky's manager says to him,
"You was great Rock....then you got civilized".
Could this have happened to Donald also?
Let the fists fly.
| duncan | Day: 19
Christ i'm fucked...
Linda the blue phone is not working
back monday xxxxxx
hi everyone else
| Furthermore... | Day: 19
That should be "Brightly painted dancers on the screen".
And the last line of the first verse now becomes "The frightening finale, the rite that you're beholding"
"I'll Work with my Chief Engineer
We'll mix with the mob for all the folks at home", yes.
Now "The "telecast" was over".
And "So long for now, we must be movin' on".
| For the record | Day: 19
And the full band Kulee Baba is slightly different from Broberg's transcript of the demo.
"I hear there's a bash in "Cameroon", for one, instead of "New Orleans".
The first line definitely states "I'm on the "voyage"..." instead of what is assumed.
"We'll mix with the "mob"...", ditto.
b
| ▀ | Day: 19
Yes, ole, what about this?
"Sir I parked my juggernaut at your gate
15000 miles and I'm feeling great
I've been on the run but I've done my time
You just can't stand still with a friend like mine
There's a bear that walks like a man
better shake him fast
Better hide yourself if you can
'cause he wants your ass
I believe you'll do quite well
But only time will tell
If you got the bear
Or the bear got you
Drive the coach at 6:00 for the cantine (county?) line
Point me towards the tube and I'll be just fine
Mr Quick has flown from the Cosmic Zoo (zoom?)
Someone must be hidden and I just found you (?)"
And that's how I hear it anyway. It's all up for debate. obviously.
Can't help thinking this could have been considered for the Heavy Metal Soundtrack or something, eh?
The "bear that walks like a man" could very well have been inspired by the tale you refer to, ole. And there's a certain sci-fi element added to it.
I like the first line as intro, very grand. "Point me towards the tube and I'll be just fine" evokes some interesting imagery as well, I like that one. Another lost hit single, potentially? And what about that rather schizoid piano solo in there over those creepy chord changes. What's not to love?
| | Day: 19
Sweet holy Jesus, what a night
Saint Augustine was right
The cameraman began the kulee baba
the broadcast was over
our featured friends were gone
I hear there's a bash in New Orleans
It's a long finale, we must be moving on
Moving on...
| Robot | Day: 19
How long. Must kill. Time up. For self-preservation. Time to end things = soon.
!
| Miz Ducky | Day: 19
Call me a late bloomer. I have finally listened to some music by Mike Keneally (thanks Peggy).
Oh. My. God. Where has this guy been all my life?
That is all.
/the Mam'zelle
(really. that is all. for now.)
| Aja...girlfriend.. | Day: 18
Sadly they are real....I don't have enough of an imagination to conjure this mess up. I'm going back to the no dating men who don't love the moody blues rule! Someday I'll tell you about my best friend and business partner of 8 years, and how he ran off with a bimbo half his age that worked at Dairy Queen.....My life has taken on a very bizarre quality of late. Gotta laugh at the situation, or I'd end up eating a bullet..
| oleander | Day: 18
Hank--Hmmm.... Very interesting....
Jason--Go for it! Context is irrelevant!
Check this out:
The Truce of the Bear
By Rudyard Kipling
1898
Yearly, with tent and rifle, our careless white men go
By the pass called Muttianee, to shoot in the vale below.
Yearly by Muttianee he follows our white men in --
Matun, the old blind beggar, bandaged from brow to chin.
Eyeless, noseless, and lipless -- toothless, broken of speech,
Seeking a dole at the doorway he mumbles his tale to each;
Over and over the story, ending as he began:
"Make ye no truce with Adam-zad -- the Bear that walks like a Man!
"There was a flint in my musket -- pricked and primed was the pan,
When I went hunting Adam-zad -- the Bear that stands like a Man.
I looked my last on the timber, I looked my last on the snow,
When I went hunting Adam-zad fifty summers ago!
"I knew his times and his seasons, as he knew mine, that fed
By night in the ripened maizefield and robbed my house of bread.
I knew his strength and cunning, as he knew mine, that crept
At dawn to the crowded goat-pens and plundered while I slept.
"Up from his stony playground-down from his well-digged lair --
Out on the naked ridges ran Adam-zad the Bear;
Groaning, grunting, and roaring, heavy with stolen meals,
Two long marches to northward, and I was at his heels!
"Two long marches to northward, at the fall of the second night,
I came on mine enemy Adam-zad all panting from his flight.
There was a charge in the musket -- pricked and primed was the pan --
My finger crooked on the trigger -- when he reared up like a man.
"Horrible, hairy, human, with paws like hands in prayer,
Making his supplication rose Adam-zad the Bear!
I looked at the swaying shoulders, at the paunch's swag and swing,
And my heart was touched with pity for the monstrous, pleading thing.
"Touched with pity and wonder, I did not fire then . . .
I have looked no more on women -- I have walked no more with men.
Nearer he tottered and nearer, with paws like hands that pray --
From brow to jaw that steel-shod paw, it ripped my face away!
"Sudden, silent, and savage, searing as flame the blow --
Faceless I fell before his feet, fifty summers ago.
I heard him grunt and chuckle -- I heard him pass to his den.
He left me blind to the darkened years and the little mercy of men.
"Now ye go down in the morning with guns of the newer style,
That load (I have felt) in the middle and range (I have heard) a mile?
Luck to the white man's rifle, that shoots so fast and true,
But-pay, and I lift my bandage and show what the Bear can do!
(Flesh like slag in the furnace, knobbed and withered and grey --
Matun, the old blind beggar, he gives good worth for his pay)
"Rouse him at noon in the bushes, follow and press him hard --
Not for his ragings and roarings flinch ye from Adam-zad.
"But (pay, and I put back the bandage) this is the time to fear,
When he stands up like a tired man, tottering near and near;
When he stands up as pleading, in wavering, man-brute guise,
When he veils the hate and cunning of his little, swinish eyes;
"When he shows as seeking quarter, with paws like hands in prayer,
That is the time of peril -- the time of the Truce of the Bear!"
Eyeless, noseless, and lipless, asking a dole at the door,
Matun, the old blind beggar, he tells it o'er and o'er;
Fumbling and feeling the rifles, warming his hands at the flame,
Hearing our careless white men talk of the morrow's game;
Over and over the story, ending as he began
"There is no truce with Adam-zad, the Bear that looks like a Man!"
| Aja.........home on a Saturday night :-( | Day: 18
I was supposed to be having dinner with flyboy and friends tonight but I had to cancel, and it's the second time in a week I've had to cancel on him. *sigh* I hope he doesn't give up on me, but it looks like we still have our timing problem.....I'll see him again tomorrow (try again tomorrooooooow), and this time I'm keeping a South Carolina quarter in my pocket for good luck.
Tex, Batman, Drew.... are these people for real? Don't worry Jason, just insert yourself into the conversation whenever you feel like it, it gives this place variety. If you're into soap operas, feel free to jump into those as well.
Aja
| FaceTheFace | Day: 18
Holy hell!! Thought post 1610 was a reference to me...but exhaled when I remembered I've never been to Honduras.
WHEW!!!
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 18
N'awlin's Jazz/Dan Fest folks:
I love the photos! Good job Aussie and whoever else was behind the lens. Looks like y'all really did have a blast. Makes me long for another East Coast Dan Fest.
| jason harber | Day: 18
hello, i'm new here. don't really know how to introduce self and insert said self into this conversation. i don't know how long i can keep this up, either, since i've got a rampaging eye disorder that gets aggravated, to put it mildly, by focusing on print and staring at bright monitors, which puts me in mind of someone jamming a screwdriver in my eye. i don't really want to bring up the medical thing this soon-- it's just that when a screwdriver's in your eye, it's a little hard to concentrate on anything else. i've got plenty of 2vsN remarks that i've been boring my non-dan-oriented friends with for a year, but there's no context here to just launch into them. i did get through a dozen other postings before my eyes imploded, though, and only one comment occurs... someone actually called "negative girl" filler, when it's such a chilling look into the hell walter experienced about 22 years ago (i think) that i feel i'm intruding by listening to it. it's the most important thing on the album. it took a dozen listenings for it to hit me, though, and connect it with what i'd learned from their rolling stone article, when the album came out.
| Fingers | Day: 18
BURTON BREWER
What's the buzz? Could be those crappy monitors we use onstage!!!!
or it's my brain going into overdrive with F"majb13 demented chords bombarding me from the page!!!
No...the buzz is just being around Dankind.......aaggggghhh contentment!
Hi folks "Burton" is a new friend of The DSO........an SD fanatic of the highest degree as is his partner Morag too. Now THAT's a marriage made in heaven! 2 more for the UK contingent of GB'ers.We shall oust you colonial upstarts soon enough you scurvy brothers!
MISS MOLLY
Doh! and here's me fantasizing on a vision of ropes, knots, and carnal ecstacy! I guess it was the subliminal splitting of the word into "be" and "laying" that set off the sordid thread of depravity! I came to earth with a bump.....that's what comes of not belaying the cortical synapses properly I guess! It's a sad and pitiful existence I lead!!!LOL!
My real fantasy, if ever I got fit enough and found the bottle to do it would be to stand on top of Half Dome in Yosemite.......WELL fxxxxxg belayed!!! I saw a photo once of someone standing out on that edge and it scared me shitless , but what a dream that would be? You been there Miss Molly?
| jjeff | Day: 18
Just heard some bits off of Bowie's next album "Heathen". Sounds wonderful. He's can still hit the high notes which is rare for a man his age.
| So tell me...Tex | Day: 18
were you thinking about me while you were screwing a certain blonde? I asked you not to do this. But since you insist, here goes. I know that you've never stayed in a relationship for longer then three months. I am not stupid enough, or vain enough to think that you would act any differently with me. Save your bull shit lines. I've heard it all before. Compared to some of the assholes I've known, you're an amateur. I'm trying to be patient because we've been friends for a long time. You really need to back off, and leave me alone. Stop posting messages here. I haven't called you because i'm very angry right now. I don't want to say things to you that can't be taken back.
| | Day: 18
Is the bluebook down?
| Q | Day: 18
YGK - your the only one...!
I'll email you.
Later...
| Tex | Day: 18
My wild one, what is there to think about? You were the only thing that I thought about while I was in the Honduras. Talk to me baby.
| YGK | Day: 18
Aus/St. Al: Great photos..........
but you should understand those shots at Dr. John/Tipitinas were AFTER the show......
dinner was so enjoyable, we lingered over desert(s), single malts, etc......
cheers!
make your plans now for next year!
ygk
| YGK - Work in Progress (or how was your Friday Night, son?) | Day: 18
Subtitled - It just gets better.........
As I walked down town to meet Daisy
a stunner of the Asian persuasion
a "Romance Taxi" stopped in front of me,
and I thot it was some indication.
now you know that I love lots of music
I'm a fan of many a band
but as I walked in that door
I swear that I swore
I heard that new disc from Steely Dan
the food at the place was fantastico
conversation, lively and witty
and as I sipped on my wine
I looked at this fine beauty of nature
this woman was just too damn pretty
she said that she liked her music
that Tango was her current fave
and I thought I could teach her the blues
and she accepted as an Asian, brave
and we went to hear tunage on Bleecker
found a trio, a hard guitar man
with a drummer who cuts time to pieces
and she started to understand
as she moved her fine body with rhythym
letting me dictate the beat
I kissed her neck softly, a decision
that was excitedly, passionately sweet.......
Q - I like you! When are you comin up? I think we should T it up......
Currently spinning Medeski, Martin & Wood, "Uninvisible" - trak 3, "Your Name is Snake Anthony" is simply ill.....with vocals from Col. Buce Hampton......
On a different, note, anyone know any real good music attorneys? I'm lookin......
Bon weekend!
ygk
| Burton Brewer | Day: 18
Greetings from the UK .......What's the Buzz ??
| StAlphonzo | Day: 18
The NOLA pictures are in place and can be viewed by clicking on the Homepage link above, or cutting and pasting the following address.
http://www.banyantrees.net/pictures.html.
To go directly to the complete set of pics, go here:
http://www.banyantrees.net/nola/
StAl
| Q | Day: 18
YGK - finally someone agrees with me on the title track! Yes, it's the horns! They waft in my mind like an opiate.
I actually played the album so much when it came out that I burned out on it for about 6 months and just got back into it recently.
It's easy to diss the album because it isn't "classic" Dan in so many ways(and yet is...),oh and the drum machines, and the clappers, but it's compelling and beautiful as you let the layers of music permeate you.
It's strong point is very similar to the Aja/Gaucho appeal in that it's a great disc to just pop in the car player and rip and bop to , but then you can also listen "critically" and mine so many facinating elements and under currents - but then you all knew that already.
| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 18
lol - flodd this place with steely dan songs - that ought to keep them busy - they didn't even attempt at any!
bink above or cut and paste here:
http://www.songfacts.com/
| Molly | Day: 18
Fingers, "belaying" is climbing term! and not any sort of sexual innuendo intended...lol. But after his women can't live with them, can't KILL them remark. I'm not sure I'd let Duncan belay for me :) and I did notice that he pointedly ignored me.... lol
| re: chesterfield kings and the blues.. | Day: 18
yes she is the one..
do you have the said floyd cramer disc in your collection..
if not..rave,,do you know jazz and blues.. well then talk...
does she sing..does the Rhythm flow yes..
Reet Pettte'
JACKIE WILSON
Listen and learn..less spew..more ears
bluz
| Fingers Shotan | Day: 18
U-BLACKED OUT ON THE TARMAC
Thanks for the "Boston" info, be nice to find out more along those lines, especially which Joplin it nods at?
DUNCAN
You're dead right, they're NOT Brummies. First off, there could never be any doubt.....Brummies (yes me too!) don't speak English, they vibrate their adenoids at one another, totally indecipherable to most Western ears......I refer you all to Ozzy Osborne, Noddy Holder, Ally Cambell, Bill and Ben and some more eloquent Wookies!
No, the audience at The NEC Birmingham show were notably quiet. "Gobsmacked" is the local term for the stunned, awestruck expression on the collective UK fandom assembled there.
It has been said by some that the UK audiences were unresponsive and dull...bullshit! They were overwhelmed, respectful, rapt in the music and the very presence of the boys (and girls) on stage...Oh Caroline!!!!
I've been to shows around the world and the big difference in audience behaviour I've noted is that we here tend to LISTEN to the music..damned intensely. NOT chatter increasingly loudly throughout and over the show, pissing-off all around who've paid good money and waited half a lifetime to HEAR and relish their heroes!
I see this as respect for the artist and love of the music. Jeez we can bore each other to death in the discomfort of our own pubs and homes any day of the week with inane football, latest flash car, barmaid boobs babble! Why go all the way to a gig to do it? AND I'm sure D&W would appreciate some passing attention being paid to their stuff.
Nuff sed on the rant!!! Dunc, whatever nationality / planet those gobshites were from, let's hope they are pleased with the sound of their own voices immortalised as a ruinous overdub on genius!
ps. Isn't "belaying" a nautical perversion or am I reading too much into Good Golly Miss Molly's intentions?
LINDA
You can come again any day!!!! Though it's flattering to the nth degree......it's treasonable talk hereabouts! Love it! See ya soon..I'm off to Kai's first birthday thrash in a minute....where is that paracetamol? See you soon?
NEIL
Ha...a mere tiddler!
| Robot | Day: 18
Bill's lines. Lines of Bill. Why do they stop short?
!
| VGER | Day: 17
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Upload Pamela Anderson to VGER stat.
Repeat, Upload Pamela Anderson to VGER stat.
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Repeat, Transmit "FM" code to VGER
Scan "Fagan" Unit for data storage.stop.
Scan "Becker" Unit for data storage. stop.
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Initiate planetary groove system on Mark.
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| ╡ - smoking Chesterfield Kings | Day: 17
Picked up Norah Jones - the album tonight. I was wron, so wrong. I thought because of her focused style that my ears would stray after about five songs...well, after 3 consecutive listens (some in the background) I can hardly put the thing down. It's too late to go into a lot of detail, but this album shows such incredible artistry at such a young age - the best of an old school recording...the steady hand of Arif Mardin, who I think produced Dusty Springfield shows in a professional, clean, but by no means slick recording...
Once upon a time artists and artisans MASTERED a craft before expanding and experimenting or just winging it. Like the best at a craft, she's gone to the roots and taken may influences while establishing her own voice for a series of covers and originals by Norah and her bandmates Lee Alexander (bass) and Jesse Harris (guitar). But not only is feel not sacrified, but it can now be expressed with a richer language. She finds a slow groove on the jazzy Don't Know Why and keeps the slow burn going throughout the album. It's a very organic and soulful recording despite the "mellow" sound. This is no lite rock or smooth jazz - it's the real thing. Both her vocal phrasing and piano phrasing are a rich palette of emotion and subtleties. Yes, a album can be from the heart without screaming or yelling or stompling (not that there's anything wrong with that - especially if you want to fork over $300 for the new Stones tour. And the interaction among the instruments, especially Norah's vocals and piano is elegant.
There's are many giants who influenced and integrate into her style from Billie Holiday to Elvis to Patsy Cline to Aretha Franklin to a little Carole King and a taste of Janis Joplin. I hear not only a lot of blues and jazz and gospel, but also Floyd Cramer, the Nashville studio pianist who played for Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, Patsy Cline and Elvis Presley - check out Cold, Cold Heart where she goes back and forth from accompaning the vocals to doubling it up with the piano. Jessie Harris writes some of the jazzier tunes like Don't Know Why and One Flight Down. Norah Jones demonstrates her emerging talent as a songwriter: Nightingale and Come Away With Me. Nightingale features a few Allman Bros. guitar licks. The cover of Turn Me On is another highlight. This album is a beautiful foundation to what could be a brilliant career as Ms. Jones expands her horizons...
| Floridavid | Day: 17
LP-Well Said. Nice Colour on your first 2vN listen.
And what's this "Filler "Crap? No such thing...If it's on the recording, it deserves to be there.
| Robot | Day: 17
Bill need break down. Down break. Break it down. Bill.
Sector 606 failure duly noted. Further notice will cause implosion. Break Bill first.
!
| 2Andys bride | Day: 17
Bill
ron carter says no current tour planned as yet..will keep me posted
dig it"
bluz
| Aja............................back in town | Day: 17
Back in town, out of breath, and too much to catch up on! Good to see some of the MIA regulars back.....and this steamy love story between Tex and Babydoll, Batman and Catwoman, hmmmmmmm, very entertaining ;o)
re: the removal of outtakes from Andy's site but letting the tribute bands continue to play said unrecorded songs, I know Steely Dan has made it known that they don't mind The Steely Damned playing "The Second Arrangement", "This All Too Mobile Home", etc., but they can't record the songs, only play them live. Some of you asked me for the console tape of those songs from a live show, and that's why you can't have it (as well as lovebob guards those tapes like a Doberman).
Hi chere, so good to see you back!
YGK-got your message, will e-mail soon.
Aja
| StAlphonzo | Day: 17
Anyone out there with a banyantrees.net email address having difficulty sending and receiving mail? Just curious. If you are, post here.
Thanks
StAl
PS. So Wormy -- what exactly are you trying to say. You like What A Shame About Me?
PSS. Angel -- that'd be the GRATEFUL Dead. I never correct spelling unless absolutely necessary. They were more than a musical group. They were a lifestyle and philosophy put to music.
| lp at home | Day: 17
i read the 2vN re-review and it brought me back to my first cd spin of 2 vN from it's cellophane wrap:
the start of gaslighting abbie has a lot of anticipation in it - i remember thinking, wow, what's this going to be about - that first smooth creepy edge
that sense of tense delight would have been lost if they began with janie runaway or any of the rockin/blues intro'd tunes
.....it's like jumping into a pool of chocolate sauce before grabbing some strawberries first before the leap...
well, uh, you know what i mean, don't you?
a better analogy - it'd be like listening to the baseball game on the radio, and not hearing the *snap" of the bat, then the puase, then the scream of the announcer "home run!!!!!"
yes, that's better i think
off to a night out with the girls - LOL
| jjeff | Day: 17
We're just hitting that point in Spring of higher latitudes where foliage is practically audible in it's effort to reach the sun. Broad beans, beets, and the first crop of peas and corn are planted. I've been fortunate to have the rare sunny day off to do that. Asparagus is fighting it's way through a very neglected bed. Spring: What an incredible time of year!!!
Peter Gabriel's doing the States this winter, eh? Guess I'll be flying south for a bit. I'd love it if someone( Pat?) would give a shout when dates are posted.
Wormy:Michelle Shocked's "Deep Natural" is quite good, although I don't know her previous stuff to say how it compares. The insert claims that she is the only artist who owns her entire back catalog. Can this be true?
Angel: The red and white grapevines turned out to be just white, but I'm grateful for anything. Type: New York Muscat. Mean anything?
Duncan: Leaving for London June28.Just me and my niece of 36. Should I bring my own ketchup?LOL
Steviedan: I miss your picks of the week even though I had heard of only a few of them. What can I say? I'm an ignorant boy.
Here's a unique world map for ya: Common roadkills of your region. Here in the Atlantic region of Canada it's porcupine and racoon although I saw 3 beaver this Spring. What's dead in your part of the world? Aussie's, are you still hitting canetoads?
The future is fear and the past is nothin' but regrets-Michelle Shocked.
Enjoy the now-Jjeff
| working on my tan | Day: 17
playlist
1)shame
2)gaslight
3)shame
4)neg girl
5)shame
6)janie
7)shame
8)jack of
9)shame
10)gothic
11)shame
12)west of
works for me
wormy
| angel | Day: 17
Much as I love the title track, it tends to blow my ears out on headset. So, I agree that it is not the best track to start with.
I love Negative Girl, but like West of Hollywood, it is way too dense. It belongs toward the end. How about Janey Runaway to start?
So St. Al. Who is your favorite band? I forget. Is it Gabriel or the Greatful Dead? :-)
Well, we now know that someone is watching the boards and alerting the band, so that poll question is out.
Bill: I am not a jazzy type person, but I do love the fact that 2VN went in that direction. I love the horns! Chris Potter rules!
Not to say that I don't get off on guitars. An always and forever passion. Oh, and keyboards, too.... and that bass.... :-)
| Duncan | Day: 17
Playlist V1 finalised...
I saved my favourite tracks Chose the best (100mb max)... Uploaded them, total 53mb used (what have they done to them)... Ohh well back to the mixing desk.
It's the path that led me here.
Christ im only 35.
http://www.live365.com/stations/293319
I think i know who Texx & L. wild one is
still it can wait till later
I've listned again to the live 2000 Boston Rag from ''Birmingham UK'' there not Brummies talking on it, there Americans.
Fingers back me up here...
Linda says the DSO are better anyway !!!!!
WOMEN !!!!
Cant live with them, Can't kill them
| What an A-hole! | Day: 17
That last post had to be from Bill. What a jerk!
| 2VN properly arranged | Day: 17
Track 1 : Cousin Dupree
Track 2 : What A Shame About Me
Track 3 : Negative Girl ("filler" song)
Track 4 : Two Against Nature ("filler" song)
Track 5 : Jack of Speed
Track 6 : Janie Runaway ("filler" song)
Track 7 : Almost Gothic
Track 8 : Gaslighting Abbie ("filler" song)
Track 8 : West of Hollywood (Best of the Bunch)
See how well this arrangement "hides" the weaker tunes?
Just add "You Got The Bear" and drop "Gaslighting Abbie" and
you've got a pretty good CD.
| Mistress of Mayhem... aka Molly | Day: 17
Hello all! Still waiting in hospital. Ya know these places really suck. Trying to convince the Doctor to let me be with Krissy.... to no avail.Because i'm not a "relative", they won't let me see her....anyway
I liked Steely's jazzy sound, and think you're way off on this Wild Bill!
I didn't get your e-mail by the way. But that doesn't surprise me....it seems to happen a lot. Thanks for trying! :)
Bluz, bud we just can't seem to find the right time to talk...lol...sorry I had to take care of psychobird Sam again. He's very jealous of my attention.
St.AL, who is favorite band?....don't tell me, the BEE GEES !! Was nice talking to you....
I too look forward to Gabriel's new stuff. I've liked ol Pete since he was wearing dresses on stage with Genesis!!! lol
Wormy, Pete don't like New Orleans???!! He must be crazy! I thought everyone liked N.O....
lcpaul, still no other donations on the underwear! I'll check in at the Rickie Lee Jones site in a few...might have to send you those silk thongs and a painting :)
Chere, it was great talking with you...
STEVEE DAN, where are you my fine looking friend???? lol
Bad Sneakers, it was nice talking to you as well.
Duncan, I had a dream that you were belaying me! Hope that one comes true..
be peaceful and loving my GB friends M.
| ╡ - guilty | Day: 17
~: Indeed, this schmuck sheepishly admits to preferring to play the title track on 2vN first then Shame that Gaslighting then Ajnie and ther rest...2vN with the Latin/Neville Bros, layered, jazzy intro just seems like a perfect introduction to Steely Dan2 - not your father's Steely Dan...
...and yes I sometimes play Kama in reverse order working my way from the more open On the Dunes (most Nightfly-like) and Florida Room to the rhythmically dense and straightjacketed Countermoon and especially TransIsland Skyway...I mean CD players are programmable...
that reminds me...Does anybody know how to get the CD to George Harrison's eponymous album (1978) which is out of print. My tape version disintegrated a couple of years ago. It's my favorite George album and I think way underrated. It's the one with Not Guilty, Blow Away, Here Comes the Moon...kinda mellow...great and really interesting melodies...lyrics are... well better than Paul...but that always lagniappe for moi anyway...
| wormy | Day: 17
st al and Dr Mu
Gabriel in september - I can wait another few months, it's been a decade already practically
Gabriel hates New Orleans, so I'll have to catch a show somewhere else (La? Seattle? SF, NYC?)
I wish they would release Secret World on DVD in the interum
if you like Gabe's old band stuff, I recently bought Selling England and Lamb t-shirts at hitandrunrecords.com (I think, do a google on h&r, official genesis site)
pricey from england but very nice
gaslighting - I like it as an intro, kind of slowly draws you in,
kudos to Barney on thatone, that bass line is delicious
wasn't it you Dr MU, who suggested reprogramming the album with a different startig cut or was that Kama? or both
toodles of topsoil
tom
| YGK | Day: 17
Gaslighting Abbie ssssssssssssssssssmokes!
But my personal fave is the Title track - the horn arrangements are absolutely gorgeous......
then Almost Gothic......sheesh!
Bon weekend everyone!!!!!
It's a beautiful day in NYC.............
ygk
| Miz Ducky | Day: 17
For what it's worth, I happen to think that "Gaslighting Abbie" is an excellent song, and an excellent start-off to 2VN, which is an excellent album all the way through.
I *like* the fact that the album leans even harder into the jazz--that's one of the best aspects of 2VN for me.
I'm up to my eyebrows in silly work deadlines today, so rather than compose a whole new rant about the merits of 2VN, I'll just point any who care towards the original rant I wrote right after it came out:
http://www.drizzle.com/~mizducky/danofiles/2vnsongs.html (URL also in the header of this post).
/the Mam'zelle
(fly-by ranting?)
| StAl | Day: 17
I really do try to sit down and collect my thoughts before I post. Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. Today for instance...
Need some ideas for the next Steely Dan Webpoll. I have a couple, but you people are so much more inventive than me...
Bill: Interesting your take on 2VN. In general I disagree. 2VN starts right where Gaucho left off. Forget about the almost 20 year stretch between their release. I can't think of another band capable of this (maybe GOD). However, I see where you're coming from. I know quite a few more casual Steely Dan fans who didn't like 2VN at all. Not to say you're a casual fan. And while Gaslighting Abbie is one of my least favorite songs on the CD, West Of Hollywood is in the absolute best spot at the end of the CD. By the time you're done listening to that song you're exhausted. It really is one of the better examples of how a live encore should work. Placing WOH at the beginning would be akin to placing Freebird at the beginning of "One More From The Road." (That's a Lynard Skynard album for those wondering what the hell I'm talking about)
There are many different opinions of how tracks should be arranged on a CD. Should you put your best foot forward and leave the weaker tracks toward the end? Perhaps a strong (but not the strongest) track at the beginning, anchored by the strongest track at the end? Define strong? Anyway, we all know second guessing W&D is an exercise in pure folly. After all -- they are the geniuses. We are the schumucks. Fun discussion none the less.
Sorry if I offended anyone with this post CHOCKED FULL of Steely Dan content. After all, they are my second favorite band.
Ok, time to get some work done...
StAl
| ╡ | Day: 17
Whatevah: Yes, indeed...
Yes: No, artistic merit...
Britney Spears buried the others commercially...
Norah Jones has just buried me in whipped cream...must go...
| Yes Mu.... | Day: 17
That's why it buried all the others in record sales right?
| Whatevah happens | Day: 17
Gaslighting Abbie was an absolutely perfect piece to start off 2vN. An incredible tune through and through, with a groove that kicks ass on anything SD-related that was released in the '70s or thereafter. It set the ideal mood for the rest of the album. When Lawson and Barney got into that pocket it created SD magic that won't soon be matched. Their live version captured on the Plush DVD was also amazing.
| ? | Day: 17
St. Al,
You mean my reputation for being a super genius or my reputation
for being all-powerful?
Tee hee...
| ╡ | Day: 17
"2VN was tilted a little too far to the Jazz side"
That's why it BURIES the others!
| Bill | Day: 17
Floridave,
Sorry about the "Gaslighting Abbie" comment Dave.
It's a fair song but "You Got The Bear" basically stomps it.
I've listened to "Gaslighting Abbie" 2 times since I bought
the CD. It's a weak SD song and was a bad choice to kick off
the 2VN CD with IMHO.
The first track of a CD sets the tone for what's to follow
and this is where you put your best foot forward. "Gaslighting
Abbie" was a bad choice for Track 1 as it is basically a
"filler" song or as they say in the literary community,
"eyewash".
I would have started the CD off with "Jack Of Speed",
"Cousin Dupree" or "West of Hollywood", these are the best
songs on the CD. Aside from "Almost Gothic", the rest of the
songs on 2VN are substandard dompared to the older stuff.
As you know, 2VN did'nt contain a song which really had that
edgy feel that most of the better SD songs had in the past
(FM, Dont Take Me Alive, The Fez...for example). "You Got
The Bear" would have filled this void, and would certainly
have made 2VN a more memorable album in the long run.
Lets hope the boys remember the formula for Steely Dan on
the next CD... One-half Jazz and One-half Rock. It's a
balancing act between the two. Too much of one or the other
and the chemistry just isn't right. 2VN was tilted a little
too far to the Jazz side and songs like "Gaslighting Abbie"
were an example of that.
| Little Wild One | Day: 17
Tex, you were all of 9! The only things you loved back then was baseball, comic books and your chemistry set. I need some space. We're not kids anymore. I'll call you after I think about things awhile.
| StAlphonzo | Day: 17
And another thing. Why is we have to like these musical geniuses that takes YEARS to put out a single album? It just isn't fair I tell ya.
StAl!
| StAl | Day: 17
Bill: It looks as if your reputation precedes you. But thank you. And thanks to all the rest of you. Though I may rant and rave at some of the people who talk shit, it really doesn't bother me. In fact, life without a little confrontation makes for a dull life...
Wormy: I've been checking GOD'S website out frequently for information on the new one. But if MU is correct, which I'm sure he is, then [*gasp*] maybe a tour will follow... Seeing Levin, Rhodes, Katche and, of course, GOD on the same stage again would be the next best thing to a Steely Dan tour. But think about this... Say GOD puts out his album in the fall and decides to tour in the Summer of 2003. Now say SD puts out an album in the Winter of 2003, it would stand to reason they would ALSO tour in the Summer of 2003. Next Summer is already starting to hold a lot of potential. Fingers crossed.
Lastly -- in answer to your question about the NOLA pics. Look for them this weekend.
| ╡ | Day: 17
~: wow, that would make it Sept 17th or 24th for Gabriel's Next One...
| wormy | Day: 17
The Last Waltz new dvd release
obligitory dan link
Robbie Robertson did voice over on Dan's R&R HOF induction
Levon Helm's wife was Libby Titus
great restoration of sight and sound
as nice a clean up as MP Holy Grail
what can I say, this is the Band, the first return to roots rock
fav moment - when Eric Clapton's guitar strap comes undone and in the split second he stops - Robbie picks up and wails away, not missing a note
dvd includes an unreleased second jam piece
but what I really wanted to see was all the unreleased material on video
I guess the editors got lazy, but catching Neil, Joni and Van in their prime would have been awesome, also a nice nod from Dr John
Scorsece still looks like a pimp to me ;-)
new remastered Gabriel discs - very nice
complete with lyrics, historical photos, but not a perspective writeup from Peter.
I scammed the first 2 which I felt could benefit most from a remaster
wow, can actually focus down through the mud of Morbund the Burgermeister
also Gabriel now has a 4 1/2 lunar cycle wait on his next release on line
see www.petergabriel.com
how about a dvd of the secret world or video compilations????
the only gabe you can catch on dvd is the paris Amnesty concert with Youssou
I'm counting out time, hoping it goes like I planned it...
wt
nods out to juju princess, malc and corpsy v
| ╡ - blacked out on the tarmac | Day: 17
Tex: phhheeeewwwwwwwww...statutory
º: Lubee Kaka That's funny! ...I usually hang around the lab tinkering for a few days at the end of the semester - the delerium is simply recovery from exhaustion...
Ole: That's amazing...how did you know all that?
Fingers: Yes, I believe Boston Rag is indeed a rocked-up Joplinesque rag...
| Floridavid | Day: 17
Hey All, If you got that Virus Hoax thing from me...I'm truly Sorry....I was Most definitely Duped!
Remember I'm a Drummer and I can only Count to 4! So, Cut me some slack please. Cara Mia gave me good advice...check the date of the Flie. In this case it was there since the computer was built...should have been a clue to me.
And by the Way, Bill! How can you speak of "Gaslighting Abby" like you did?
A mix of Elegance and Function...How can you Knock that Mighty Spite Lock?
Yearly BigTime Offshore Boat Races this weekend at Ft. Myers Beach.
Edd, you know the Spot. Club management offered me a ringside VIP table. Will wonders ever cease? Where are you Aus?
Signing out, Floridavid
| bowieuova | Day: 17
ground control to corpsy V
marching orders rain from thee
checked submission
and may God's love be with you
this is ground control
to Corpsy V
I'm feeling so impaired
and I hope that blaiser knows which way to go
and our marching orders, you really don't want to know
this is major tom to corpsy v
I'm stepping through the lore
and I'm mingling, yellow tint of the deranged
and the sign in's gone to something very strange
ground control to major tom
your circuits dead is there something gone
can you hear me major tom
can you hear me major tom
can you hear
am I crawling in a worm hole
far below topsoil
planet earth is green
with an effervescent sheen
dunt dah dee dunt dee dant dant
| YGK | Day: 17
There's a proud Pennsylvania State Licence plate which says, "you've got a friend in Pennsylvania".
I saw a personal licence plate # which said, "NOT YOU"
ygk
| YGK | Day: 17
Tex: phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww............................steamy..........
Blaiseroo: it was good, dammit, it was, it was........I try to give out complimentos on goodness........
ygk
| Fingers | Day: 17
Hi all
What is (or was) The Boston Rag? A Scott Joplinesque contrapuntal jingle, a newspaper, some historically significant piece of drapery????
Blowed if I know....any ideas anyone?
cheers Paul
"close your eyes and you'll be there, it's everything they say..."
| WJAZ | Day: 17
Clas...RE Post #1551...
Were you looking for volunteers to stick needles in your eyes?
Because if ya were....
| Hank Silvers | Day: 17
ole: Interesting theory about the song and its possible link to the Haymarket Riots. Trivia time: In the lyrics to the 1979 song "Were You Blind That Day," one line sounds to me like it might be "While you watched that B-town burn", and in the 1986 Premiere short story you cited, Fagen has Kreisel scream at Spaak, "Clear out, you noisy fraud! B-town [Berlin] is flush with phony Wagners, and dog-cheap, too!"
Don't know much about German history -- and at the risk of taking discarded lyrics way too seriously -- but given the mention of slaves, it's probably a reference to the U.S.
Also, I'm hearing "And your boys [not voice] came in there shooting..."
- - - - -
"Riot and arson followed, and Kreisel and Spaak became household words."
| Tex | Day: 17
I remember the first time I saw you. You were wearing a little green dress, and had taken your shoes and socks off. You were trying to get the ribbons out of your hair, and stomped your foot in frustation because you couldn't. You ran over to me and fixed your emerald eyes on me. Even then, I thought you were the most beautiful creature I'd ever seen. You demanded that I help you. Although I knew I'd get in trouble for taking them out for you, I couldn't tell you no. That was when I started loving you. Call me babygirl. We can make this work.
| Duncan | Day: 17
I've heard various people talking about SD tracks that I've never heard before here.
I've never heard of Andy Metzgers page before.
I found my way there yesterday & was quiet suprised
by the sheer numbers of tracks & demo's available.
Some i must say though are a trash.
The 2000* Boston Rag is good though, I had forgotten the long intro.
I can see them in the wings now as the band are playing being wheeled
Towards the stage like Hannibal Lector, Before having there masks removed & taking a last gasp of oxygen from the mask's provided.
Will listen to the rest when I get back..
Have a great weekend everyone
Duncan
(Pat did you get my e-mail about live 365 ?)
| ▀ | Day: 17
~ Top speculations on why the outtakes were taken out:
- FBI issued warning that "If you got the Bear" may contain secret calls to strike directed at amphibious sleeper cells
- Band not amused to hear Roy Scam liked that version of TWM better
- Boys were just toying with Metzger's head but hey, it worked, go figure
- Afraid "norm de plume" would be traced back to Walter's IP
- Worried about Mu's state of employment and mental health
- Disbelief at failure to win back StAL's interest in a timely manner
- Guess what, that WAS the Next One
- Got in the way of planned fan "starvation to control" routine
- Slew slightly overspilled Andy's 3 Gig limit
- Boys-written new Shakira single "Lubee Kaka" too close for comfort
And the REAL reason the new outtakes were taken out:
- Wendal threatened to sue
ole - That is an impressive take on the lyrics there and it gives the May Day reference more meaning that way. Because you could see it as a specific reference to these historical events, yes. It could also be taken in a more general manner. It's all the beauty of poetry. Now the final version of the song is about John Walker-Lindh's saga, of course, as seen through Donald's third eye. pfft ;-)
YGK - Why thank you. It felt good. It WAS good, dammit! People, don't be afraid to say it when something is really good. I'm not gonna get a big head here and force you all into bondage, you know. Nope, that's only a myth. lol
| Howard | Day: 17
Clas - I can't follow that bit of music. If it's the opening chords to N.Frontier (after the octave bass line lead in), it doesn't seem right - no 6ths. Different rhythm, no? Also, the bass note stays the same for the first two chords doesn't it?
From memory, (low to high): E G# C# E , E F# B D, E F# B D
Howard
| Like this: | Day: 17
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/chords
Cool uh?
C
| C | Day: 16
Howard - today I'm going down to the country house, over the weekend, I keep my old vinyls there, going to check my ears on Black Cow-vinyl.
And next time we have a chord discussion, I know how to do:
I'll put my questions/opinions on the WEB!
Wait.
| Clas @ work | Day: 16
Sharkdeville - yeah, for a moment I thought I was stupid. Thanks.
Howard - well then, my stereo equipment must be worse than I thought. I can't hear that.
Wormy - I've met her. Sweet woman, but patronizing as well. Looking down at people.
StAl - no, I guess you find it easier to deal with people like Bill and his kind. And did you hear her say: ôit wasn't you Larsö? (scroll down)
And for Kinky, he had wits and brains. Brutal, yes.
Malc - I thought we agreed to stay out of each others biz? And if I ever visit Manhattan again, it wouldn't be in your company, I'd rather stick needles in my eyes.
And did you call that an intelligent conversation we had? Holy Moses, that explains why I have to be drunk to lower my self to certain peoples levels.
---
Brett - the snorkel is lost, midge drowned.
C
| Brett Barney | Day: 16
Hello my Friends! Just a note to thank all of you who have contributed to this year's guestbook CD. You are some talented people! Just what I would expect from those that appreciate (and emulate) the Dan. Now, here's an update for the upcoming TM2K2:
All submissions are in hand. We are listening and making decisions.
One of those decisions calls for pulling out all the stops and mastering this baby with the best software money can buy. (hahaha, we already own it!) It's like you have a FRIEND AT THE FACTORY!
My main man, Bryan Anderton, has just completed a brutal year of graduate school in the college of electrical engineering at the University of Texas and deserves his week long vacation at Tahoe but will return after Memorial Day to finish the mastering job. In other words, don't expect the new disk till the end of June. Maybe early July if the mood suits us.
Anyway, you can't hurry perfection can you, Walt?
Kisses and Near Misses,
BB
| angel | Day: 16
Oleander: What a fabulous piece of detective work and it makes sense, too. Your conclusions totally blow my mind.
Well, I went to work today and had hopes that somewhere stored on my hard drive, were some of the outtakes. Alas, that is not the case, they are looking for the links that no longer exist. Sigh....
I had to work very late this evening, so as I worked, I amused myself by listening to quite a bit of Andy's stuff. Totally enjoyed myself, thanks Andy. Now, putting it nicely, the Katy Lied stuff sounds terrible. :-) So, the question is why would Steely Dan want that new bunch of outtakes removed. Yes, the audio quality was not so wonderful, but as I stated, there is worse on that site right now. Another thought ran through my mind that maybe we have a situation similar to Gaucho, The Fez or Rikki. I wonder if there is some piece of music contained within them, that they realize now is from another work. A thought. Though the possibility of them using some little parts of those songs, is probably the answer (as several of you have already mentioned). Or maybe they just want to rile us. :-)
Bill: I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU POSTED SUCH A TOTALLY, ABSOLUTELY, FABULOUS, THOUGHFUL PIECE OF WRITTEN WORK. Right on!
Corpsy V, Blaise, Wormy.... It feels like old times.... Thanks.
| oleander, former Wobbly | Day: 16
Pink--You're absolutely right.
paul--Don't get your hopes up.
Lars--I definitely was not talking about you.
Bill--No, there would be a little gremlin in there to take care of that. BTW--well said about guestbook cultivation.
Parodistas--Y'all are back ON!
Blaise--Yes.... You have performed an incalculable service by posting the lyrics, since I think they give a rare insight into the development of a song concept. Since you posted them I've been thinking a lot about this.... "Third World Man" sounds like either a third world revolutionary or a lunatic fanatic a la the Symbionese Liberation Army of the 70's in California. But seeing this earlier iteration gives the song a completely different feel. Try this: the 1886 Haymarket Rebellion. In the 1870's-80's, the labor movement in the US was burgeoning. Back then, rallying for labor causes was revolutionary, and I mean labor causes like the 8 hour day--nothing exotic or self-indulgent. Labor activism was severely dealt with by the authorities--unions were at best semi-legal, and police broke up gatherings of workers with regularity and violence. Activists were of many stripes, from populist to socialist to Communist (the Marx & Engels best-seller came out in 1848) to anarchist, and many were committed to armed struggle. Chicago in the 1880's was a city crammed full of poor, often illiterate refugees and immigrants who suffered abominable labor conditions; unemployment was rising, and machines were taking the place of human workers. The city was a particular hotbed of strikes, demonstrations, and organizing, with anarcho-syndicalists at the center of the action (see "the Chicago Idea"). On May 1, 1886, a multi-city general strike began, and tens of thousands of workers filled the streets. On May 3, police shot into a crowd, killed four, and injured hundreds of demonstrators. On May 4, thousands gathered to protest in Haymarket Square, and a bomb exploded. Police opened fire on the crowd, killing a few people and wounding hundreds. Seven or eight police eventually died from the blast and ensuing melee. The identity of the bomber was unknown (he may have been an agent provocateur who was arrested a couple of times but eventually slipped away). However, a group of prominent anarchist organizers was rounded up, tried, and convicted with no evidence of involvement with the bombing. Seven were sentenced to death; four were hanged, including August Spies and Albert Parsons.
So are the pieces clicking yet?
Smoky Sunday
How you looked so unconcerned
While you watched that ... town burn
Were you blind that day?
Bloody Mayday
when the wild ones did their looting
And your voice came in there shooting
Were you blind that day?
You
Safe in your disguise
Who lives behind those eyes?
I could swear there's noone there
Were you crying out
for the ones who took the fall?
When the hangman took them all
Were you blind that day?
I saw the fireworks on the day your slaves were freed
Without one man fit to lead
Were you blind that day?
May Day, which became the international workers' holiday, actually fell on a Saturday in 1886. Is this version addressed to the bomb-thrower, who slunk away and let the anarchists take the fall?
By the way, the day the men were hanged was November 11, 1887, which became known as "Black Friday."
And of course a tip of the oleander hat to Hugo Spaak, radical Steely anarcho-syndicalist: http://www.steelydan.com/premiere.html
But what I want to know is: how did this song morph into "Third World Man" with its international flavor and impressionistic flow? Was there some other event or sequence thereof which got incorporated?
Sigh. Another unanswerable.
| Corpsy V | Day: 16
Why thank you, Major Mu!
It IS a year since the Berklee event now, may be a day or two off but my radar got a little mixed up in wading thru the muddy waters .... so I hope y'all excuse me ....
| ╡ | Day: 16
Corpsy V: Emerging from the bayou in your curvy khakis back from Abbeville... and with a vengence! Well done!
I knew Dr. Becker was a Ben Folds fan...
That was a funny disclaimer! Visiting this cite is... a little like being a Christian Scientist with a case of appendicitis (thanks, Tom Lehrer again)...
| May be revisited but especially the end & note is gaga! | Day: 16
INTERVIEW / STEELY DAN
Steely Dan: reelin' in the accolades
By Stephen Humphries
Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
In the rollicking 1973 Steely Dan song, "My Old School," Donald Fagen defiantly sang, "I'm never going back to my old school." But last Friday, he did.
Thirty-five years after spending a summer studying at the Berklee College of Music in Boston, Fagen returned, this time bringing his longtime musical sparring partner-in-crime, Walter Becker, the other half of Steely Dan, with him.
Berklee had invited the two musicians ù best known for the impossibly catchy hybrid of jazz and rock on songs like "Rikki Don't Lose That Number," "Reelin' In the Years," and "Do It Again" ù to receive honorary doctorates at Berklee's commencement ceremony.
"We were a bit surprised," admits Donald Fagen in a rare interview as he sits in Berklee's library, wearing his customary shades, dark suit, and a tie.
"We had a pretty good record going into this year of minding our own business, working hard as clean-living kind of guys, you know," says guitarist Becker, "and all of a sudden we're swept up into this season of things."
The Berklee mortarboard 'n' gown parade caps a flurry of public accolades for Steely Dan. In March they were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. A month previously, the duo's "Two Against Nature" album won four major Grammys, including Album of the Year.
Backstage at the Grammys, the duo was dragged "from one little booth of bored press people to the next," Becker says.
Did they lug around their hefty awards? "No, they give them to you, and then they take them away," Fagen says. When the awards were later delivered to them, they arrived in boxes lined with styrofoam cut into a mould of a Grammy. "You could make your own Grammys if you poured some molten lead or something in there ... chocolate, maybe," Fagen muses. Characteristically, he doesn't crack a smile, even when offering a bon mot.
"I mean, I had never been to a Grammys [ceremony] before," continues the affable Becker. "You sort of had to do certain things in order for people to even be aware that you were still in existence."
It's clear that the Berklee invitation, which would later include an evening concert of Steely Dan songs performed by Berklee students, means more to both gentlemen than the other awards. To the suggestion that the duo could use the concert as an opportunity to audition members for a touring band, Becker mischievously responds: "Well, that's absolutely right! Our primary purpose coming here, of course, is scouting.
"There are all sorts of great musicians out there who are trained and into playing this kind of music," Becker says. "In the '70s ... there were rock players and there were jazz players ... "and never the twain shall meet...," says pianist Fagen, completing the thought.
"There was a comparatively small pool of people who really could perform comfortably in this sort of mixed idiom," continues Becker.
The guitarist says the duo will spend the rest of the year writing songs, but they "don't really have a bold, revolutionary concept" for the next record's direction.
A new generation may have caught up with the band's complex chord changes, but few would claim to be any closer to understanding the band's ironic lyrics which, to borrow a Winston Churchillism, are "a mystery wrapped inside an enigma." (Sample lyric: "Even Cathy Berberian knows, there's one roulade she can't sing...." from "Your Gold Teeth.")
Still, that didn't deter a number of pop artists from recording Steely Dan songs for the soundtrack to the 2000 Jim Carrey movie "Me, Myself & Irene."
"I think some were better than others," says Becker, singling out Ben Folds Five's "Barrytown" and Ivy's "Only A Fool Would Say That" as two of the better tunes.
And what do Becker and Fagen think of today's manufactured bands, given that they started off their careers writing hits for others at ABC records?
"Well, it's tempting to think that this moment in history is not too dissimilar to, say, right around 1960 when you had a lot ... of frothy pop manufactured soul kind of stuff," Becker says. "I will say that a lot of the singers ... in these manufactured pop groups are pretty good singers.
Not that he listens to Britney at home; rather, he prefers "old jazz from the '50s and '60s." Fagen concurs, mentioning some old 1920s Duke Ellington discs. "And Donna Summer records!" he adds enthusiastically. It's hard to tell if he's joking.
Later, sitting in the audience as a huge Berklee band performs Steely Dan classics such as "Black Friday," "Deacon Blues," and "Aja," even Fagen can't stop grinning and clapping for two hours. "They sounded better than us!" says Fagen backstage. This time he's deadly earnest.
For further information:
SteelyDan.com
The Steely Dan Internet Resource
RollingStone.com: Steely Dan
Steely Dan Gets Honorary Degree
Under the Banyan Trees
Steely Dan pin shots
Dandom Digest
Words and Music of Steely Dan
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| Corpsy V | Day: 16
Book of Defyers
Fly and try now
We'll get sober
The Cows we drank plus the Cuervo Gold
And just now when
I can remember
Exactly what it was I sensed we had
'Cause I marched so long GB-ers and I came this far
To find out you're not always who you say you are
And three stars in the book of defyers by your names
Swedish Clas came in late last night
High on Sternum ache
Came down hard in the Banyan driveway
Hung his bag out on the dirty laundry line
There's a Canadian friendship for his golden boy
And there's a Hello Lars for his pride and joy
And three stars in the book of defyers by your names
They hung three stars in the book of defyers by your names
Trees imploding
The long night passing
Banyan Trees dancing in the frozen cyber dawn
Here's one left stranded at the zero crossing
With a pole in its cyber-life glued to stick it on
But now the world's much larger than it looks today
And if my Major WormTom ever orders me back in this way
Then I'll just look in my book of defyers for your names
I'll just look in the book of defyers for your names
*** Corpsy V, reporting to duty and clicking her Louisiana swamped Red Boots three times***
| YGK | Day: 16
B: Catchy - nice job. Teriffico......
ygk
| ~ | Day: 16
wow B's telepathy
to the tune babylon sisters
first 2 verses Fagen, last Katz
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
surf web to broombergs
went to see
downloaded sound bytes
from the gauch
guess I'll have to blame the slouch
vampiric one that sings for steely danny
"son you're playing with outtakes
who's the bleep who let these go
from the mca studio
who'd you think would stoop so low"
babblin Katz er, take it
so fine, must see the sun
note my stellar production....
"I'll call up walter and the crew
cut the threads on this snafu
looks like job for Dr Wu
you know that guy just did our mere production
not the arranger of sir Martin George
didn't remix live stuff from the gorge"
babblin Katzer, can't make it
so over, it's scary
what's next, maybe Maria Carey
now that the career is in the can
maybe I'll land Micheal Bolton
take him straight to number one
but those steely geezers no longer go for my production
making Nichols wallet fat
but to me forgot to tip the hat
and that just isn't where it's at
time to play the little circling nat
babblin katser,take it
an acetate, least I get to confiscate
wt
| lp, again, oops | Day: 16
B - psyche - typing and posting at the same time
another good blast - lol - kinky, that's a name we haven't heard in a while
wow, what next?
just nobody mention that band , sshhh, don't even think it - and no soap opera talk, i promise!
lol
thanks to andy, really, for getting everyone all riled up - good show - need to check my real player when i get home - smirk
| lp | Day: 16
hey, a positive blast from this place's past, a top ten and a parodee in one day!
thanks wormy
molly, you causing trouble at the natalie merchant site? have they booted you yet?
| ▀ | Day: 16
We hear y'all loving YGK
"Just put up with his wild time or just be gone"
Unless you're kinda scared yourself, you'll think it's fun
But if you have a change of heart
Kinky abuse that Beemer
You don't wanna slam nobody else
Piss him off as that Hunter did yourself
Kinky abuse that Beemer
He's the only one who won't
See Malc use it just to feel better
It won't hit home
I hear unfriendly sounds, he's out as Flame
We can go and drive it home, slow and bold
We could sneak asides and play games, I don't know
And he could have a change of heart
You tell yourself you're not that kind
But you don't even cut his slime
And you could have a change of heart
Oh Kinky abuse that Beemer - Kinky abuse that Beemer
Kinky abuse that Beemer
| Mistress of Mayhem aka Molly | Day: 16
Well I just finished reading someone's interpretation of Rikki Don't Lose....as being about an ambivalent homosexual. lol lol Now that is quality Steely Dan posting!
lcpaul, haven't heard from my Banyan sisters yet. May have to procure lingerie from the Natalie Merchant fan site. Don't worry about those guitar lessons! As long as we can listen to guitar music, I'm good! While I like large men like St.Al, I have been known to make exceptions...lol
My Artic Ranger/Cowboy was lean and rangy, with a washboard stomach. My point is..that I have ecletic taste in men as well as music! lol But if you tell me you like either/or rockclimbing and caves....
TO MR TUMBLEWEED, YOU ARE A NASTY PIECE OF WORK. Not like anybody from Texas I ever knew. You can kiss my ass.M.
| ~ | Day: 16
(to the tune Gaucho)
just when they say
boy we can't miss
you are golden then you do this
hit record button, seal your fate
and wipe the tracks. all 48
this wouldn't be such a kiss off
except that this is steely dan
cause you know they are not a live band
but the studio, is their cre-a-tion
it's not a quick run off
I think you know
there'll be no trying again tommorrow
oops none of these ones can follow the 2nd
guess we must shelve them all
yes I know your's is a special plan
but the ouch in gaucho is not for fans
it's a nasty rule boys, no outakes here
ain't on remasters, not for your ears
we'll just run off to ebay
surely some cat will have
all the details in acetate
songs with cutting room floor as their fate
wish the historians would shoot the perfectionist
perhaps we'd get the real twist...
| Lars | Day: 16
..unless you don't refer to turnips?
| Howard | Day: 16
Clas, sharkdeville - the electric piano (stereo centre) definitely plays the same sliding triad at the start of the Black Cow verse, same as the guitar. That's why I was confused - I thought of this part as the main rhythm part, rather than the "guitar part". You could say the guitar is playing the keyboard part?!
¦ - fingers crossed that there *is* something in the pipeline for the new CD, based on some of the demo ideas. Something from either Bear or Kulee would be fine with me.
Howard
| Lars | Day: 16
St.Al:
"Clas: May I point out you're not the only "Swede" on this message board."
To my knowledge I'm the only other Swede. True? Well, St.Al ... I think you owe me an explanation!!!!!
L
| ╡ | Day: 16
~: how 'bout:
Oh no, Grouch tapes
Ono Conch Grapes
Grinch Owns toned Drapes
Our Choice Mistakes
| ~Q~ | Day: 16
Sorry, Wormy!
I'm out of the loop here to know better on whether "~" is an "id"
"Q"
| ~ worm~ brain~ | Day: 16
great
"oucho"
how about "oucho grout takes"
~ isn't anonymous, is it?
| Q | Day: 16
anon, ala "Oucho" outtakes - bravo!
| ~ | Day: 16
top ten reasons the Gaucho Outtakes were removed
11) word got out that the Don/Walt Brady TV score would see the light of sunshiny day.
10) just when they say boy we can't miss, engineer erases - Nichols in fits
9) throw back the little ones, and pan fry the outtakes,
use stealth, sqwelch and wisdom and perhaps rework them
8)It's a clamoured progression, a reworked regression
ebay boys spend out of order, just for shiny acetate
7) fa nat i cal will take it's toll
6) MCA box set remaster needs some 5 disc fillus diller
5) third world manna doesn't rain down forever
4) babylon sistern shake it was a pissy little initial lyric
3) the water may change to cherry wine and the outakes may be churned to gold
2) bodacious cowboys such as yourself should never had posted it there
1) katz is behind it, the tease and the retreat, I swear
| wormy | Day: 16
Hey Gang
away on business and leading 30 inner city kids on a geology fieldtrip in central Texas (need a quick music fix)
missed the gaucho outtakes online, oh well
my daughter was elated yesterday, having downloaded the new starwars movie from the internet and was happy to be previewing it (so much for copyrights or wrongs)
clas - don't bash Ole, if you met her or YGK you would find them most pleasant
looks like a big music night in the worm hole tonight
Last Waltz (not enough new footage) DVD, first two gabriel remasters, and Rundgren's with a twist bossa nova covers. Anyone have the new bela fleck album? comments?
where's steviedan?
other steveed - I'm starting Someone Saved My Life Tonight
looks like the easiest EJ piece for a guy who is just developing the left hand (any other suggestions?)
recent ebay win of Beatles Complete Scores
hope to learn many a bass line
auss any word on Pat or Jim loading your fest shots on the web?
good to see a steady return of the blaise
parodies anyone?
wormtom
| ╡ | Day: 16
Bill: I ca'nt believe I'm stating this but WELL SAID...
It wo'nt happen again ;0
| Bill | Day: 16
Warning: Almost totally serious Bill Post!
(It won't happen again I promise...)
Subject: The perks/pitfalls of SD site ownership.
Some of you guys crack me up. Do you guys really think
that Pat, Jim, and others are running an SD site in order to
obtain perks from the band? If so, you obviously have no idea
what it takes to implement and maintain a website like this.
First, there's the initial cost of the computer equipment itself.
This has got to be in the thousands of dollars. Then there's the
cost associated with the development of the website. The
software, the programming, the host/domain costs and on and on.
I'm sure there's more costs associated with website development
that i'm not aware of. Additionally, as you are painfully aware
of by now, state-of-the-art computer systems don't stay state-
of-the-art forever. So there's the ongoing cost of hardware and
software upgrades, which aint cheap.
Also, how about the total number of personal freetime hours
that it takes to debug and fix all the problems that arise with
the guestbook, chat, and all the other aspects of this site?
This is time that these guys could be watching the tube or
doing something else infinetly more ejoyable. I know that Pat
and Jim are employed in the computer business but coming home
after a long day at the office and sitting down to more computer
stuff must be an outright drag. How much dedication and love
does it take to do all of this?
So the idea that Pat or Jim would be doing what they do in
order to pick up a few tickets at a concert every couple of
years is worse than rediculous...it's direspectful! It's
disrespectful of the amount of time and money and sweat that
they've put into thier websites.
Put yourself in thier position. Would you really do what
they've done for a couple of concert tickets?
I think not...
Ps)
Just 30 minutes till Don and Walt take over the world.
Coffee and donuts will be served.
(Hey I did say "ALMOST totally serious Bill post did'nt I?)
| Tom Hanks - I know Meg Ryan, and Senator your no Meg Ryan | Day: 16
Meg Ryan: I'm crushed that you had forgotten the last line in "Joe vs. the Volcano"
| Karl Marx - countesses, movie stars, and queens | Day: 16
I thought not.
| YGK | Day: 16
And another thing:
THE NEW YORK HORNS ARE APPEARING AT NELLS
New York Horns will be appearing at NellÆs, 246 West 14th Street, on this Thursday, May 16th, at 8:00 PM with the band, Skin Tight... Come on down and listen to one of New YorkÆs funkiest soul bands as they perform at one of New YorkÆs finest clubs. For more information
Skin Tight is...
Alyson Williams û Vocals
Chuck Stanley û Vocals
Chris Fischer û Keyboards, Vocals
Tony Ormond û Guitar, Vocals
Greg Novick û Bass
Harvey Morris û Drums, Vocals
and New York Horns:
Chris Anderson û Trumpet
Carl Fischer û Trumpet, Valve Bone
Bryan Steele û Tenor Saxophone
John Isley û Tenor & Baritone Saxophone
We hope to see all of you there!
"I recall when I was small, the cats blew out the walls....."
ygk
| YGK | Day: 16
St. Al: I've always maintained a certain opinion, based on all the history, which I won't repeat here - but you know what I mean.
I can see how difficult it might be maintaining this spot, making decisions, etc. but it's always just WTF!.....
ygk
| Tom Daschle | Day: 16
Attention: and I can now take the corncob out of my butt...
| Dubya | Day: 16
Attention: Thanks for the Warning, and not a moment too soon. I will now vacation for the rest of my term at the ranch in Crawford.
| Edd | Day: 16
...and you're likely to get the mail from a well known contributor to this GB, who maybe doesn't know he's sending it.
| YGK | Day: 16
Q: WAZZZUP?!?!?!?!? e me.......
ygk
| Q | Day: 16
Hey,
guys and gals - The old VIRUS HOAX is going around again- but the perpetrators don't know they are doing so -they're warning you in good faith but they don't know it's a hoax.
If you get an email warning you about an alleged virus called "jdbgmgr.exe" and find the file in your computer -don't freak out -IT'S NOT A VIRUS!!!!!!!! pull it up on google.com or symantec.com and they'll explain. It's a Java debugger manager and while not critical is something you don't want to delet. If you have already expunged it from your system totally just reinstall MS Virtual machine. But, let the experts at symantec or microsoft,etc. guide you.
Back to your regularly scheduled programming
| I Don't Post Anonomously | Day: 16
Clas, that is just a lie and you know it.
| StAl | Day: 16
Clas: May I point out you're not the only "Swede" on this message board.
Oh, and don't ever compare me to the type of fans Elton John refers to . First of all Elton is an emotional freak (maybe you can relate?). Second, any type of gratitude the band may extend to any of us is offered by them. We don't ask. I'd be just as happy doing this without tickets or passes. Remember, we started these sites LONG before the band ever extended their hand. As usual, your argument doesn't work.
YGK: Now you've had a little taste of the difficulty I face when dealing with this guy. I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt knowing how easy it is to be misunderstood on this forum. However, sometimes you just have to say WTF and move on.
Also -- please e-mail me if you're going to be anywhere near Seattle on your trip.
Bill: I didn't mean boob in a bad way. Boob is a term I use to describe someone I sometimes laugh with or sometimes laugh at.
Ole: No one does it better than you. Making points that is.
Lastly. I've never understood why people immortalize Kinkysoinso. The guy was a mostly a jerk. He was unnecessarily brutal to people who did not deserve it (and others who may have). Remember how he attacked Amanda Parks? Shit man, she was only 15-16 at the time. Though he definitely knew his Steely Dan, he was a mostly a negative influence on this forum for a very long time. The only way to live with the guy was try to play his game. Laugh at yourself and his jokes. When people started to respect him and attempt to befriend him, he disappeared. I simply don't have time for people like this. Oh, he's still out there -- I'm sure if it. In fact, I noticed one of the earliest post to Jim's guestbook was by him.
StAl
| Attention! | Day: 16
At exactly 2pm e.s.t., Donald Fagan and Walter Becker will
officially take over the entire known world.
In order to confirm thier indisputable level of control, they
will cause all phones on planet earth to ring at exactly 2pm e.s.t.
Further instructions to follow,
Lawnmower Man (emissary of Dan)
| Bill | Day: 16
Oleander,
Your "auto-post" response solution seems like it might work
except for one tiny problem...
Suppose the auto-post responses began to respond to each other
and caused an endless loop of auto-post responses which lead to
a total system meltdown with an associated hard drive explosion
of cataclysmic porportion.
I'm sure St. Al would be pissed.
:)
| ╡ | Day: 16
Howard: We are definitely in sync (post 1471). While a part or whole of Bear is the most obvious selection, I hear usable parts of Kind Spirit (which has a Big Noise, New York flavor) as well such as the cool piano riff in the chorus, and the full Kulee definitely has a different feel and ideas when compared with the demo. Remember, the demos of Caves of Altamira and expecially i Got the News don't reflect the final recordings at all. Part of the rationale for requesting removal may be that the sound quality was so damn good! Any ideas are crystalline - not that any of the rank amateurs who are squatters on today's music scene could or would even want to "use what they borrow"...of course Michael Bolton (who has to be exhausting the Isleys discography by now), Marc Cohn, and Bruce Hornsby all desparately need comeback albums, eh...
Ironically, if left alone, the buzz over the new outtakes would be fading about...oh... NOW, and the board would be back to the usual bickering soon (Oops, too late!!!!)...NOW this sucker has LEGS...for at least a day or two ;-)
Is that then a gift? ...a pragmatic stratagem? ... or are they just plain fucking with our minds?...
| YGK | Day: 16
Yo Swedish Sausage: Listen, pal, I received your phone call a few weeks ago - even gratefully, no shit!, it was an intelligent phone call, made a lot of sense, and I thot all was good - but now to read you telling Oleander to fuck off and even question her intelligence is one of the most inane things I've heard in a long time. Absolutely incredible - you know no bounds. Congratulations. You're unique.
Now, I've said it before, and although I thought I wouldn't, here I go, here I go, here I go again, you - Clas - are one of the most mixed up, inconsistent, whacked out, fucked up assholes here - and I don't even buy that "my English is bad" thing - hell, without knowing the language myself, I'd bet your fucking Swedish is bad.
If chord changes didn't exist, you had no dog, you didn't reproduce, and you had no sternum, you would have nothing to sayàà..next time you're in New York, let me know. Aus and I will show you a REAL good timeààà
Now, about my Anons: I feel like a new man - I quit it - just ask St. Al. But, like the man said, I really didn't say anything inappropriateàà..but whatevvvvvvvvahh!
Blaisey: love you, too.
Ole/D: good vibes and thots your wayàà.
Everyone Else - if you've ever met Oleander and her squeeze, you would understand my retortàà.sorry to clutter it upàà.I'm done for nowàà
ygk
| sharkdeville | Day: 16
Clas-
Yeah, Donald's playing the guitar part on the piano.
It's like a 9th chord sliding up to a 6 chord. Also the basis of the melody of "Chain Lightning" and used in "New Frontier" as well.
Fairly commonplace, but such a cool sound!
| angel | Day: 16
What saddens me is that Lisa G missed the whole 2 day love affair with those outtakes and didn't get to hear the more complete version of Kulee Baba. Whenever she surfaces, she will probably be pretty upset.
I had plans to listen to them at home, since I was not working yesterday. No such luck, they were gone. I never did listen to Time out of Mind.
My family went to see Spiderman yesterday. Otherworldly experience occurred, as we walked past the kids waiting on line for the Star Wars movie. For me, the weak part of the movie was the dialogue between MJ and Spiderman. Why was it that I kept hearing the line from Donald Fagen about "sabotaging the sentimentality in Springtime, by using the wrong music". That was exactly what I felt they did, but it was probably for that PG rating. I had been waiting for that movie for months....sigh.
| C | Day: 16
Howard - no, I was surprised when I heard the Black Cow-version at Andys. I checked @ home several times and to me the guitar (right ear) plays the riff the piano plays on this outtake. Maybe the clavinet plays something similar (left ear) but it's pretty low in the soundpicture.
And I would guess it's the 2nd possibility you're mentioning, they're are probably using sections of one of the songs in a new song.
And yes, Kind Spirit was very much like a ôlet's take the easy way out here...ö. Nothing I jumped for joy over.
C
| Howard | Day: 16
It's interesting to wonder why the request came to remove the "latest" Gaucho outtakes, but the stuff that's already there was left. It's possible D+W are currently working on one of the tracks featured in the outtakes, and didn't want a "previous version" floating around. I Got The Bear seems the only likely candidate here - there's an earlier demo of Kulee Baba still there, and since that was left, why worry about a different demo. Kind Spirit is interesting, but a bit too predictable in places - can't see this one coming out on the new CD.
One other possibility is that D+W will use sections of one or more of these songs, and work these into new material. They have said many times that they have done this before - borrowing scraps of lyrics, a riff here or a chord sequence there, to splice into new material.
Didn't they also mention a few years back, in the lead up to the 2000 tour I think, that they had looked at the possibility of working on tracks that had never been released, with a view to touring with them. They didn't in the end, but maybe there is an oldie that they are still interested in, and they're hoping to do something with it some day soon... maybe for the new CD.
Clas - that Black Cow riff, I guess you mean the little chord idea that slides up and down at the start of the verse? I never thought of this as a "guitar riff" as such - doesn't the electic piano play the same thing on the original?
Howard
| Clas | Day: 16
No, not me either B. I just get so fucked up crazy with that woman. She's never pointing anything directly to me, just slinging her insults to me in a roundabout way.
Incredible.
Speaking about me as "The Swede".
Dammm Virgins.
C
| Disclaimer | Day: 16
"What Clas said" only refers to his particular statement about YGK. I don't consider ole a "bitch" myself and she knows it. Never have, never will. There.
Btw, ole, have you notice those crypto lyrics to Third World Man down there? Isn't that fever dreams material though, be it in this limited way? Yes, the ones *I*, I mean, (font size=5)(b) *I* (/b)(/font) had the good sense to reproduce in a timely manner right here. Ha!
b
| ▀ | Day: 16
Yeah, what Clas said. Why won't you guys go after him? Not like he's Kinky material or anything. And you wouldn't be running on mere innuendo this time but an outright confession by the culprit. The credibility of your stance on this whole matter is undermined considerably as a result of you guys looking the other way. Let us be consequent, shall we? And that is all I'm gonna say about that.
Yes, lcpaul, Molly, Bill, you've figured out the heart of the matter when it comes to this community. Bravo!
(how do you make that tongue-in-cheek smiley yet?)
re: "shameless" plugs of tribute acts.
Really, you guys only have two outspoken detractors at most in Dandom and you happen to know exactly who they are. Lucky you.
Mu, maybe they've reworked Kulee Baba for the Next One? A real tight uptempo number that just grows on you like that... a caribbean feel, perfect for summer spins... a summer release? I could see it. Ahh... to go mad with speculation... gaga.
At least now we have the original lyrics to Third World Man printed right here. People, by all means, don't crash the script!
| lcpaul | Day: 16
Must say oleander, your last post was the best take on the PATHETIC debacle that has been raging on these yellow pages. If that doesn't put an end to all this shit, then I don't know.
Jesus.
Glad to see everyone seems to be getting back to business as usual.
As far as I'm concerned, this is St Al's site so he gets to make the rules. St Al says it's okay to discuss whatever we like. So, that's the way it is.
Hey Molly - keep workin' on that package. In the meantime, I've signed up for some guitar classes.
Here's my obligatory Steely Dan mention.
Okay, now I'll zip it.
| This is for the girls: | Day: 16
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/fagen
| Clas @ Work | Day: 15
LP - the Time out of Mind-outtake really is cool. It's almost better this way. Those great great harmony vocals are so tight, super, yes, perfection and grace.
Oleander - you can fuck off with your stupidity, I don't post anonomously, but your buddy Malcolm Hunter does. Go after him instead.
Bitch.
C
| W1P | Day: 15
Oleander, growing outside my door, you forgot Shameless Plugs and arguments over the "merits" of tribute bands
| oleander | Day: 15
F(orce) majeur--ahh, what a breath of spring your rhythm again, and not an equinox too soon. Say, Number One Son will be migrating your way shortly.
Blaise--Are NOT!!
Ebound--Not moi.
RS--You can be the Rhettorical Butler to my Scarlett O'Leander any old time.
Academically-inclined GBers: Instead of an FAQ, someone should assist St. Al with a study of how long the cycles are between 1) complaints about not enough Dan content, 2) fuckyou fests, 3) whining, 4) anonymous and/ or Swedish ad hominem attacks, 5) arguments about the yellow vs. the blue, and 6) indignant newbie vs. elitist moldy fig. Then, work up some pre-emptive posts on those subjects and have them auto-post whenever one of the cycles begins--really excellent past examples could be reposted, or one could annotate and link back to one of the especially exemplary threads. There could even be a rapid-scroll option attached. Thus, the inevitable cyclicity could be short-circuited, dampened, nay even harnessed for the advancement of Dankind.
| Mike P | Day: 15
Hey guys (and gals)!
Don't be upset by the removal of the new outtakes from Andy's fine site. Instead, focus your engeries of the appearance of a copy of "Shuffling Up Your Downs" that has appeared on eBay.
Bidding starts at .........
$10,000 (!)
"Oh Michael , oh Jesus"
El Sup (back after a scare)
| Hutch | Day: 15
F#maj9 - I agree with everything you said. But I liked his playing in the early years. All those albums that came after Derek and the Dominoes never really impressed me. Seemed like he was going for the commercial thing. A whole lot of people, and I agree with them, say that the Blues Breakers album with John Mayall was when Clapton was at his peak. And that was right before he started Cream.
I guess intensity is the main thing. EC played with a lot of it in the early days and the young guys like Jonny Lang and Kenny Wayne Sheppard play with a lot of it now. Today there are plenty of blues guitar players that, quite frankly, can smoke Clapton... Gary Moore, Coco Montoya, Rick Derringer just to name a few. But don't get me wrong. I have a lot of respect for Mr. Clapton. He has said that in the early days part of what he was trying to do was bring Blues to the people so it could be appreciated. There's certainly no doubt that he has influenced my playing.
Intensity, along with the minimal approach (what Neil Young does so well) is truly impressive. Less is more... but go for it.
Nice to see you around here again!
Hutch
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 15
Hank....I'd love to blow off work this weekend....unfortunately, I've got to pay the bills....pics will be forthcoming though!
Molly....that was a great SRV story....thanks for sharing....I made the mistake of NOT going to see Stevie, thinking I'd catch him next year on tour because I was busy the night he was playing Greensboro....needless to say, he never played around here again....I don't count on a "see you next year" type of thing anymore....if there's a show I really want to see, I find the time....ya just never know what the future holds.
| crackers | Day: 15
"It's velveeta for me velveeta for me"
or nothin at all' Macaroni for some but it's velveeta for me.
| Hank Silvers | Day: 15
Roy: Here's today's PDS fix for you -- literary scenarios are all well and good, but what I admire is the rare ability to take just an acoustic guitar and a story, and in a matter of moments turn it into something real and special. When you played "Judy Ingalls" in Richmond, all I could say was "Wow." Well, that and also "Yowie."
Oh, and your trivia question -- were you referring to Elton and Candle In The Wind?
Midnite: you sure you can't blow off work this weekend and set up the telescope on your camera now? Ya know ya want to...
YGK: radiodestiny.com, you say? Will do my best to tune it in.
...tips cap to fellow feverdreamers and exits...
| fetch | Day: 15
here spot here spot
| Molly | Day: 15
Hutch, I have to agree with you about the "spiritual" thang of some musicians like SRV and Hendrix. Lang has SRV's skills, but lacks Stevie's "fire". I saw the Austin City Limits special on the other night too Midnite Cruiser! I kept thinking about Chris Layton and Tommy Shannon.Can you imagine how hard it would be to play with someone like SRV, (for as long as they did) and then have to go on performing without him? GOD, I think that would be so difficult!
I saw SRV perform, and got to meet him. I was 17 or maybe 18. My older brothers were working at a construction site. I'd brought them all something cold to drink. There was an outdoor stage near by the site. We began hearing this amazing music drifting from the stage. SRV was doing a sound check! At that time SRV wasn't real well known. None of us knew who he was, but knew that he was special. We all just listened to him awestruck. I decided that I had to meet this person and tell them how great they were...lol.(had more brass then sense even back then) My friend and I climbed over the fences to see Stevie. Someone started to throw us out, and SRV intervened. He was so nice to us...and we were just a couple of dumb kids. Stevie gave us passes to see his show that night....When I heard of his death, it felt as if I'd lost a friend.
Anyway that's my Stevie story! not Dan related at all i'm afraid. :) M.
| there's the spot! | Day: 15
nor do smaller pussies.
| lp | Day: 15
you know, i can't really blame them for pulling that stuff off andy's site - i must say i was disappointed in some of the stuff i heard - it would be like showcasing some of the design work i did 15 years ago, yipes, no thanks, embarrassing to me
i did like the de-flocked version of time out of mind though, that was really nice to hear - you could see how they went from that to "taking it up a notch" with the addition of the background babes and the horns - that's the kind of stuff i like to hear - almost like the deconstructing of peg on the making of aja - anyway, did toom, did that get 86-ed too? i think it's still on my real player, hopefully
| Bill | Day: 15
It figures that once someone puts up a really good SD song
like "You Got The Bear" these two guys find it necessary to
remove the damned thing. Good thing I copied it. You guys owe
me that song. You owe it to me for all those weak songs you
gave me on 2VN. You had this song laying around and decided to
give me "Gaslighting Abbie" instead?
This proves one thing...
You can be a musical genius and still do some pretty dumb things.
Put the song back up!
| TO ALL GAME PLAYERS | Day: 15
Leopards never loose their spots
| playing from the wrong side of the brain | Day: 15
Hutch- was rcently having similar discussion with pal who asked: what is the difference [if there is one] between a riff and a lick? Hot licks and rhetoric- I think there is one. One of the reasons I find Clapton so boring [there is a rumor, btw, that he used to be able to play the guitar] is he plays the same fucking riffs over and over again and it is so predictable he might just as well stay home and send a sample that can be modulated for the appropriate key. Sure, the frequent flier miles won't be the same- but, he could use the time to learn something new? This is not to suggest that Hendrix or SRV [as you mention these two] didn't play riffs... but, [long post alert] here now the point:
If you are thinking about "gee, which riff can I splice in next?" while you solo, you're not really thinking at all. You are REPEATING ssamples of yourself. A musician who has achieved a certain level of mastery can "become one with his/her instrument" so they are no longer 'executing mechanics' in a calculated, step by step fashion- the mechanics transcending one-sided linear brain function, having bridged over via the corpus callosum and, viola! We are no longer soloing from the right side of the brain.
Wait. The plot thickens [musicians have bigger corpus collosums! true story]
Becoming one with the instrument is groovy and all that. However, it takes a creative soul to invent, compose, improvise and otherwise play a great solo. It takes originality.
OK, I was being too hard on Eric. [He was unique inventive creative and he peaked and ran out of juice as a soloist] He has written some gorgeous songs! He has recorded lots of album filler, as well. We were talking soloist... he is one with his instrument, though. He no longer has to "execute" the mechanics- that has all moved over into sensorymotor memory, easy as closing your eyes and touching your nose- proprioception. However, once that happens- it has NO BEARING whatsoever on whether or not you can think of anything good to play!
Consider Neil Young. I've heard him play raw, evocative, stirring solos with just a small handful of tricks up his sleeve and a technique that is truly unique- but, arguably, unsophisticated. It's unrefined. He has to really dig in and sturggle. He has to struggle, as well. I've seen him nearly fall off the stage trying to reach a note... and NOT reach it... and it is perfect! Fulfilling, satisfying, exciting, musical and intimate all at the same time.
He's painting wild pictures... with only a few crayons that he can barely keep hold of. See where I'm going?
He's not one with his instrument at all! He plays certain stock licks [how I defined a riff to my friend. It is a sample you can trigger anytime you want. While you are improvising you might invent a lick, a phrase that has a certain completeness in itself- yet, is still a fragment of the greater musical statement... SAT analogy: a sentence fragment is to a paragraph].
Neil Ypoung isn't as technically proficient as Clapton... but, he invents. He plays a simple melody [composing] and turns it inside out. He plays one-fucking-note solos that are more interesting than Clapton set to "playback". He's all over the map with vibrato and feedback- these are brush strokes placed however the spirit moves him. There seems to be no such spirit moving Clapton. I could say more.
Summary: you don't have to be one with your instrument to be a great soloist. Creativity and originality [their lacking] cannot be compensated for by technical mastery [unless of course, you just learn note for note solos of the greats and trigger those, and, as a performer you can fool people!].
The rare ones are those that can blow their brains out, both sides and points south simulatneously, the ones that transcend the technical execution of the music with mastery so that they can essentially "sing" in their minds [hearts/souls/throw in your favorite anatomic features] and it comes out exactly so... AND... they have something on their minds worth playing in the first place. All the technical prowess in the universe can't help you there.
and when in doubt, trill.
warmly,
F#maj9
random notes: recalling Last WAtlz when Clapton's strap fails- he drops out... Robbie Robertson picks up at ~bar #3... and plays one of his finest solos of the night, brings smiles to his [surprised?] face as well as those of Levon and Danko [nicely caught and chosen by Marty Scorcesse or whoever edited]; it was a truly creative [and, for him, a little risky] solo full of tasty licks without any technical "misses". Clapton fixes his strap and comes in for the next 12 bars... yawn. Stock Licks, flawlessly executed with silky slowhanded technique... boring as staring at a guitar case. Robbie always plays like his strings are too tight to bend- the tension is perfect.
Taking over for Eric Clapton snapped him out of safe stock solo stuff...
and over to the right part of his brain. que bella.
| ╡ - OK, this makes a little more sense | Day: 15
US Constitution, Article I, Section 8:
The Congress shall have Power ...to promote the Progress of Science and useful (note: ya gotta love this hedge!) Arts, by securing for *limited times* to authors and inventors the exclusive Rights to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
These have been accepted exclusive writes in music:
To reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords (now CDs, etc.
To prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work
To distribute copies or phonorecords (or CDs, etc.) of the copyrighted work to the public
To perform the copyrighted work publicly
To display the copyrighted work publically
To perform sound recordings publically by digital audio transmission
This helps to explain the world WiP lives in:
from one of my favortie ;-) sites:
http://www.tribalwhere.com/belly_dance/copyright.html
"First, unless a music composition is in public domain, it is considered protected by copyright. A musician/composer copyrights the score/composition he or she creates and can give permission to another person to use his or her score or lyrics for the purpose of recording a variation, a reproduced arrangement or a different arrangement of the score. This is called a Master Use License, and is usually obtained through such companies as the Harry Fox Agency. The composer/lyricist does not give permission for the performance of the score, nor can he/she give permission to dancers to perform to the score if the music is covered by one of the licensing agencies (ie BMI, ASCAP or SESAC). Artists who compose, copyright, record, and produce their own music and recordings can give this permission and usually charge a fee for the use of their music.
Performing rights are held by one of three organizations: BMI, ASCAP or SESAC. Music is further protected under the 1988 Berne Convention and by the General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs (GATT), a treaty with over 100 member nations. The GATT and the Berne Convention protect copyrights internationally. BMI, ASCAP and SESAC have reciprocal agreements with multiple nations, so it should never be assumed that music from another country is "free for using".
The three performing rights organizations (PRO+s) license establishments, studios, schools, universities and other businesses, including individuals. They license entities. A dance troupe that rents a hall and sells tickets for the express purpose of making a profit is an entity. A dance organization registered as a non-profit group that rents a hall and sells tickets, whether for the purposes of making a profit or no, is an entity. (represents all institutions, businesses or organizations that will employ or utilize dancers and dance instructors, including but not limited to studios, health clubs, restaurants, social/civic organizations, schools, and universities, events, festivals, showcases, production and shows)
Macca owns his own publishing company: MPL
http://www.mplcommunications.com/index.asp
that includes Paul McCartney, Buddy Holly, Jerry Herman, Frank Loesser, Meredith Willson and many more
Michael Jackson bought the rights to the ATV catalog for about $47M in 1985, and merged it with Sony in 1995, making about $110M in cash and retaining 50% ownership. ATV owns 100% of the rights to the Beatles, Elvis, and Presumably, he got the original $47M in the first place by exhibiting similar savvy in his earlier career. A lot of the BMI catalog was moved to ASCAP and that somehow allowed ATV to grab hold of it in a mechanism that+s way beyond me feeble legal mind. The motive was probably that Michael+s songs are all BMI originally+
| ╡ | Day: 15
Sony Corp. paid Michael Jackson $95 million in 1995 to merge ATV with Sony. So they've been 50/50 for 7 years, and Sony wants more now...
| ╡ - head scratching... | Day: 15
This seems pretty complicated to a non-musician. There are evidendtly performing rights companies (ASCAP and BMI) and publishing rights companies like ATV. Michael Jackson outbid Macca for ATV which has over 4,000 songs including most of the Beatles. Now Sony is trying to grab ATV...
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 15
Hutch....funny you should ask about the scope and the digital camera....I just bought an adapter to do that very thing....haven't tried it out yet though....working this weekend....maybe next week I can try it out.
I agree with you about SRV....I was watching an Austin City Limits retrospective of SRV's shows on ACL and he looked like he was channeling....just in a zone all his own....what a player the man was....what I always found interesting was Rivera Paradise....it was a change for Stevie and I think it was the direction he was heading in had he not been killed....one of his most beautiful songs IMHO.
| ╡ | Day: 15
WiP: Yes, for playing live it is EITHER payment OR permission, but not both. However, a sample for a rap song of cover of a tune on an album requires, as I understand it, BOTH permission and payment...
Another point: Someone help me - doesn't Michael Jackson own ASCAP and Paul McCartney BMI or is it the other way around??. Ironically, that's how Michael Jackson got hold of the Beatles' songs (his company owns their songs and Macca owns the other company - I wonder if that includes the King of Slop? probably not) and placed them in commercials in order to buy Bubbles a bigger house...
Maybe that's why Donald and Walter don't care about the cover bands - they don't own the songs from The Company Formerly Known As ABC Dunhill days? But they would own or have a stake in the finished recordings or the prospect of finished recordings, especially under Warner Bros. umbrella (Nightfly, Kama, TvN). Any leftover or clip, that's not copyrighted yet is then in play or at risk?...if they did not copyright or register demo tracks as they recorded them? Did they send it off is a letter to themselves? I dunno...
I have the same kind of problem. If we collect pilot data, it is often presented at meetings or submitted as part of a grant application. The deal is not sealed though until published in a peer-review journal. Someone else can take the idea and with a productive lab, crank out a similar study and publish it before me. I know, it's happened to me on more than one occasion. It sucks because that's the type of plagarism you can't prove, but that's life...
| MIstress of Mayhem aka Molly | Day: 15
And though you're not my enemy, I like things like they used to be; And though you'd like some company I'm standing by myself. Go play with someone else.... OH SORRY!!! I tend to go off on these little tangents..
Greeting from Hooterville, I hope you all are well today. Damn it I was going to get those Gaucho out takes! That's what I get for procrastinating. lol
Robot, that means laughing out loud! Try it, it's great. Read a book titled " A Confederacy Of Dunces" It will help you with the laughing out loud skill. :)
Mystery Date,it was nice talking with you. Come back and talk guitarist with me some time!
Let me say that although I seem to end up with guitarists, it has been just a coincidence! Perhaps it was just a mutual interest thing. We both loved good music, guitar in particular.
lcpaul, working on that care package !
LP, Gina, Aja, Angel, Lisa, Ducks ...and any I've omitted; What do you say?
How about donating some lingerie for our bud lcpaul? If willing to do so,send to LP's cathouse for wayward Steely Dan girls....lol
be peaceful and loving my GB friends M.
| Chips | Day: 15
Outtakes by the Ramones?
Redundant...
| W1P | Day: 15
Point of clarification: Playing live versions of other people's songs does require payment (collected from the venue by BMI, ASCAP etc) but not permission. Similar, you can record anyone's song who is listed with Harry Fox Agency by paying a mechanical royalty -- again no additional permission required. It would be interesting to see if the Outtake songs are listed at Harry Fox
| ╡ | Day: 15
Big Brother: Exactly...if they do their job...
| Big brother | Day: 15
Mu- ASCAP and BMI take care of Don and Walt for those SD songs covered in little bars accross the nation...I don't know about the shower though.
| ▀ | Day: 15
Problem is "WOULD" is not "Would" anymore already. All I know is that this is the person who made fun of the people's pictures in the gallery.
StAl, if you recognize the source of this as a regular one, perhaps one with an otherwise "upstanding" presence here. I would appreciate you letting me know.
| ╡ | Day: 15
Would: Technically, playing any copyrighted material live or otherwise requires payment and/or permission from the owners of the copyrighted songs. Sadly, in many cases this is Michael Jackson or the record companies and not the artists themselves. For example, Aaron Neville never saw one thin dime for his classic recording: "Tell it Like It Is" when it was a hit originally or when it was played live or recorded by others - fHeart had a big hit years later...did not John Fogarty get sued after Centerfield was released for sounding too much like CCR??
A sample from a song in a rap album or a clip played during Nightline or a commericial or a Steely Dan coverband at the Custerdome with a cover charge - it doesn't matter. Can I sing Rikki in the shower? Sure, as long as the neighbors don't come out screaming... Can midis of songs be posted on a URL - maybe, maybe not...
For my work, do I have to fork over hundreds of bucks, often of my own $$ for publication?... if I am fortunate, am I not deluged with hundreds of requests for reprints at my own expense? When I was a boy, did I study real hard?...come up with a plan?...you see Karl, life isn't fair...
| | Day: 15
B- You're the one not "making sence".
Later Liver lips!
| ▀ | Day: 15
Mu - That's a possibility. Maybe an element of one of the new songs to come is in there somewhere and we're not supposed to hear it just yet. Good point.
| ▀ | Day: 15
No I wouldn't.
Let's just say unflattering representation and use of the band's material is what it is, whatever form it may take.
I will refrain from commenting on those guys. Sorry about that. Forgot this was sacro-saint around here. You can have your Meat Loaf karaoke. It's just not my thang, that's all.
And would YOU care to explain why StAl would be the only one to enjoy the privilege of making sense of this page? Get a handle, kid. The man has spoken.
| ╡ | Day: 15
Blaise: It is interesting about this "selective" request.. Why not them all, especially 2nd arrangement?...and I notice even the detractors have been busy downloading... I'm not complaining. Does this mean "If You Got the Bear" is being considered for the Next One??? Caves of Altamira was around for what ...6 or 7 years before being released on Royal Scam?
LisaG: I meant to mention that The Nightfly is GLORIOUS on vinyl. The DDD transfer that the Immortal made to vinyl is the finest piece of audio engineering I've heard. When Warner Bros. bludgeoned it later, without the aid of Roger Nichols, onto CD format it came out flat. Still, great stuff - but a little flat...
At first this would seem impossibile - I mean it's in digital, what could go wrong? For example, the bridge on Green Flower Street was more open with cool echo on vinyl compared with the CD (and I had a high end Yamaha player at the time). The passage: "we're drifting, a thousand years role by" is followed by a gorgeous 3D descending Rhodes followed by I think a Carlton chord that strobe echos back and forth across the channels into infinity. This is greatly attenuated on the CD copy. Evidently, getting masters ready for a particular medium is more art, experience and knowhow than I suspect. Roger Nichols had a article a number of years ago detailing the serpentine process which does involve some going back and froth between digital and analog.... The 5.1 news on the Nightfly is exciting - in that what I hope that means is that the album will be remastered for *DVD-A stereo* and 5.1. The new Gaucho DTS 5.1 in the higher format definitely means DVD-A.
º: Note also that the article mentions that (could be dated info) Mr. Schiener mixing the Next One in NY, in stereo only for now...
| Would you care to explain... | Day: 15
B- What does the "nod" to the Steely Damned on the DVD have to do with having illegal boot-legs up for download on Andy Metzger's site? I just don't see/understand the comparison. Please explain.
| C | Day: 15
Fagen without shoes:
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/steely
C
| Ooops | Day: 15
The new Gaucho out-takes have been removed from Andy's site.
| Village Voice | Day: 15
more jazz re-issues, yippee! (?)
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0220/giddins.php
| Hutch | Day: 15
Roy - A "scooting dog"? You're killin' me over here. Tears are rolling down my cheeks. Or tardmc if you prefer that kind of thing.
You and MC said some nice things and I 'preciate it.
I once read an interview with Eric Clapton where he talked about the thought process that happens when he plays a guitar solo. You know it's one of those things where you're going "Okay where do I go with it now. What riff will I pull out of my bag of tricks for this next section". He said when he watched Stevie Ray Vaughan it was as though this thought process wasn't in play. The music and the intensity just came straight through to his hands.
I've always thought guitarists like SRV and Hendrix played as though they somehow became one with the instrument. Like an extension of their body. Almost a spiritual kind of thing.
The rest of us can only strive to come close to that. Playing an instrument is a lifelong educational process anyway.
YGK - Got your call. Tried to reach you last night. I'll try again later.
Gina - The GW autograph is on the way!
MC - Can you attach your digital camera to your telescope? Just curious.
I've always been into astronomy. When I was growing up my Dad built a six-inch reflector telescope. He actually ground the mirror by hand. It took him a year to finish it. I can remember climbing up on a ladder to reach the eyepiece. It was a pretty powerful scope. We could see Saturn's rings and the four largest moons of Jupiter. Great stuff.
A friend of mine found a copy of the Art Crimes Manassas show on cd at a record show last week. I was at the Va. Beach show that year. The cd confirms my opinion that the biggest mistake D&W ever made was hiring Wayne Krantz for that gig.
Hutch
| Stereo only? | Day: 15
Does that mean I have to buy one more speaker?
| ▀ | Day: 15
Any news is good news:
"Since completing the Lukather album, Scheiner has been remixing Automatic for the People and Donald Fagen's Nightfly in 5.1, as well as doing a new surround version of Steely Dan's Gaucho at a higher resolution than his original 5.1 mix ù which was among the first projects done for discrete multichannel in the late-'90s. In addition, Scheiner is working at New York's Sear Sound on a new Steely Dan album, which for now will be stereo-only."
source: http://industryclick.com/magazinearticle.asp?releaseid=10133&magazinearticleid=147292&siteid=15&magazineid=141
Nightfly in multi-channel DTS. hmmm...
| Duncan | Day: 15
Look out Holland (gina) i'm on my way...
i have all my gilders ready.
Brrring Brrrrring...
What!!
You're kidding?
SHIT...off to the bank again.
db
(keep an eye on Linda & Dan for me will you all)
| Gina | Day: 15
To add some to the fluff, here's the URL to the Lhasa Danfest and a TM2002 Compilation contribution in the making.
http://www.PictureTrail.com/Lhasa
| A little more echoe on my voice... | Day: 15
Howard - no, seriously, on the verse (this part: in the corner, of my eyes, I saw you at rudys, you were very high) the right-hand-piano is playing the guitar riff, this I am pretty sure of.
C
| Howard | Day: 15
Re: Black Cow demo and the guitar riff - what I hear on that piano demo is Fagen playing something similar to the bass line on the opening chords. The rest (the right hand part) is pretty much the same as the keyboard part that ended up on the final cut.
I second Randy's call for a little more thought and genuine discussion here, and a little less fluff, but like him, I'm not expecting much...
Howard
| Blaise | Day: 15
Looks like the axe has fallen on the Gaucho outtakes. I can understand that, sort of. What I don't understand, on the other hand, is the nod to the Steely Damned on the Plush video and the fact that these dozens of tribute acts are left alone with their "simplified chords" business.
And imho, something like If You Got The Bear is a lot less damaging than most Katy Lied outtakes on there or even worse, the pre-Steely Dan demos that are widely circulated in various forms. I'm glad I got to hear those anyway. Most of us know this is not represntative of their true talent as songwriters. We know that already. Our opinion of the band is not gonna change by having heard unfinished or throwaway products. But hey...
| C @ W | Day: 15
Make that 6 (six) to Roy ôRogersö Scam.
C
PS/Lhasa Dan fest:
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/vintage
| Gina | Day: 15
Make that FIVE for Roy.Scam. The pleasure of reading words in writing up to its max. Hank Silvers ditto.
Sometimes i wondered why i can't shake these Trees and move on. I said it before and i will say it again, mainly because of these Trees i actually did. Move on. And loyalty a weakness we all seem to share, especially when it comes to Steely Dan .. no records, no tours, no nothing and still the Dan Flame was kept alive. Nuff said i guess :-)
| Ringtone yes! | Day: 15
I use "Birdland".
And SMS, one can send textmessages too.
C
| Dragon | Day: 14
Roy.Scam -- Winston Churchill once said, "This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put!" He was trying to make the point that ending a sentence with a preposition is sometimes downright impossible if not ineloquent.
BTW -- consider that four compliments. I found a little ditty of yours rather catchy.
| Gina | Day: 14
Plus you can have any ringtone you want :-)
Including Dantones LOL
Aloha Clas, goodmorning!
| Clas | Day: 14
If you look close, at the right side of the sofa, there's one of those cell-phones* I mentioned earlier, it's a small small phone, wireless (hell knows how that works (must be electronic or something, satellites))pretty cool. I guess Ericsson and Nokia are about to begin to export those to USA soon.
C
* It's all too Mobile Phone (Becker/Fagen)
| C @ W | Day: 14
StAl - excuse me, shitty comments about WALTER BECKER? Would you care to explain?
--
Howard - did you notice, on the Black Cow outtake on Andys, Fagen(?) is playing the guitar riff on the piano, sounds pretty cool. I've tried, with my tiny ears, to get a grip, well, to find out what the hell is going on, could you help me with that?
Though Black Cow isn't on the Steely Dan book for guitar, I don't know hell where to turn.
---
Well well, I arranged a STEELY DAN FEST some weeks ago, actually a hit, in my opinion, ho ho, pics can be watched over at this place:
http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/z/vintage
C
| Bill Clinton | Day: 14
VGER: The "creator" is Hillary. She is evil and must be destroyed. The code is "Moanica." Man, I tell ya though, I know how to live as an ex-President. While I'm gambling in the casinos of Bahrain, Jimmy Peanut is being dwarfed by Castro...man, the ONLY good thing from Cuba is a cigar, if ya know what i mean!!...speaking of mean, I can't believe that bitch Hillary ran over Buddy and then had the media cover-up the truth. I can't wait until I'm roaming the East Wing in late 2008...this time i can make my own videos....8mm and Steely Dan again, baby! Did y'all know that the secret papers over in the Senate during impeachment hearing identified me as the inspriation for the character "Pinto" in Animal House?...I mean even Al Gore had him a movie and Tipper didn't even die...but that would have been too embarrassing....
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 14
just heard Deacon Blues used as background music on NBC's Dateline.
| VGER | Day: 14
Robot,
LOL = Laughing Out Loud.
BILL = Super Genius.
Still awaiting creator code. What gives?
| Robot | Day: 14
!
What is "was'nt?'"
!
| Robot | Day: 14
Bill. Molly. What is "lol?" Why do paragraphs cut out after 3.5 inches of text?
!
| :) | Day: 14
A small selection of what steveedan got from us
http://www.live365.com/stations/293319
:)
| ╡ | Day: 14
W1P: Literally, the boy becomes the man, goes back to his secret place to see it commercialized, art for sale...end of his innocence, and perhaps an allegory for the end of human innocence, at least as far as art is concerned...when there wasn't even any Hollywood...The inherent value for the ancient who painted the bison on the wall or the true artist is the act of making the art itself...the legend of Hollywood is Spin, providing the right image or marketing scheme for what was art and is now product. Over the years we have progressed to the point where we start simply start with product, and skirting the "incovenience" of actually going through the creative process and making something worth expressing...
| Bill | Day: 14
"Saint" Al,
Ok Pat, let's see now... Blaise is a "quality poster" and I am
a "boob". Funny, but everytime we've chatted you always seemed
to think that I was a good guy. I've added something to your
board buddy, I did'nt take anything away from it. This place
was a sewer when I got here, I did'nt make it so. But I
understand, you're under pressure from the powers that be
not to be too openly friendly with me, but we both know
the truth don't we? You actually like Mr. Bill...ALOT.
This would explain why you did'nt stick up for Mr. Bill when
this Canadian lowlife was going off with his "oldtimers" tirade.
It's o.k. I understand. Must'nt align yourself with the
opposition if you're going to stay in the good graces of the
SD elite.
I admit I've made a few mistakes since I first logged on to
your site. Like the time I started posting as "GOD". Ok, in
hindsight that was a mistake but it was'nt my fault. I mean
I really though I was him. Later on it was pointed out to me
that God is really John Hiatt, so I stepped down and became
just another gifted genius. I mean I realized my mistake and
corrected it did'nt I?
Above all you've got to realize that I'm only here for a good
time. I don't want to start disecting the music of Steely Dan
down to it's bits and bytes. To do so diminishes the magic of
the music in my opinion, but that's just my opinion, the
opinion of a gifted genius, take it for what it's worth.
I've met alot of good people here. I have other sites that
I go to but the people there are not quite as quirky as the
people I've met here. I'm not going to walk away just because
a few hardcore, ultra-serious fans are offended by some
good-natured fun.
After all, what would God do? I mean, what would John do?
:)
| Molly | Day: 14
WOW THE RESET BUTTON REALLY DOES WORK
thanks for the tip!! lol lol
| W1P | Day: 14
OK, let's talk about the additional lyrics from Caves of Altimira that appear on the forbidden Jay and the American's demo tapes. What do they mean?
| Randy | Day: 14
So sad to have a nostalgia for anything, especially for the days when the ol' 'Sign In Stranger Guestbook' had engaging posts about Steely Dan, provocative posts from "Aja" and/or "Snakehips," questions about Sweet's book, etc. Anyone else note that now it's just post policing, insults, assorted irrelevancies?
Might I suggest "read before you post"? Clearly some post with forethought and intellect, and some merely to see their name and their pile(s) of words in print. Rise above it all, scurvy brothers (and sisters).
Don't bother to respond, kids. I'll check in a few months from now when the posts get insightful and the dialect is once again cool-
"You can choose the music / I'll set up my gear / later on we'll chill and watch the fireworks from here..."
- 'Gaslighting Abbie,' Steely Dan
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
| Molly | Day: 14
CHIPS! kiss my butt! lol
Here's a plan! St.Al can assign us a Steely song and then we can each send him an essay about it. If Al thinks it's worthy, he can post it! Then after careful review by the Steely Dan Gestapo, he can choose which of us ghetto trash into chat.LOL lol LOL
I can talk Steely with you. What I think a particular song means, and support my opinions fairly well. I figured after being a band almost 30 years everthing has already been said. Why bore people? lol
St.Al., I didn't leave on purpose! My connection was broke,and then my psychotic parrot went nuts. By the time I calmed bird down and got back into chat you were gone! Another time.M.
| Robot | Day: 14
Poulin.
!
| Robot | Day: 14
Melt down. Again. Blame Bill. Bill to blame. Too much space. Too much signal/noise. Big Red? Hit Ph. D Poulin.
!
| Gina | Day: 14
well, turned in early on just one of those days, but couldn't sleep and wondered about the things i read in here. NOW i can go back to bed because everything is allright. sort of. geez LOL. Blaise, St. Al .. :-)
| StAl | Day: 14
Blaise: No man, I dig what you're saying and you are absolutely correct in your statement regarding the GB's tendency to autocorrect itself. I guess the point I'm trying to make is I really believe that lack of moderation in forums such as this serves a much better purpose in the long run. Jim put it best when he said that the mere presence of the moderator is often enough to calms things down. It's true and probably accounts for a large part of why this place has become less caustic -- and that is really what drove some people nuts. Rightly so. However, I believe the bigger reason why this place has mellowed has nothing to do with my presence, but the change in the script itself. When people know that it's much easier to track a person's action, they tend to be more responsible. Human nature. Furthermore it illustrates what I've always suspected. There were relatively few anonymous instigators. Most of the negative posting was done by the very people who were complaining the loudest.
Remove this element and the only difference separating this forum from Hoops' is he has asked that people try to keep things focused on music and Steely Dan. I have not. I cannot and will not stop Bill from posting messages to this board asking Walter and Donald questions as if they read the fucking thing. Does he look like a boob? Sure. So what! I defend just about ANYONE who does not hide behind a cloak of anonymity and will continue to do so even at the risk of loosing quality posters such as yourself (temporarily I hope). I'm not taking sides with the individual. I'm taking sides with a general principal. See the difference? Why do you think I stick up for Clas even when he makes bullshit statements like the one he did earlier -- or worse -- make shitty statements about Pete or Walter?
Again we're back to where do you draw the line? It's tough, which is why I've chosen not to draw it. Perhaps it's this apathy that will end up killing this forum in the long run? Still, even in hindsight I wouldn't change a thing.
Well...I take that back. That comment I made earlier this week about people not having more than 2 kids. Though I do believe this, I should have worded it better, or not said anything...
Dave Matthews last album sucked BTW. Haven't seen him live since 2000. If this next one doesn't match his past efforts, then I may just give up on 'em...
Hey, anyone notice the interesting phenomenon that occurs when a new person comes onto this message board and exhibits a strong personality? They become the new target.
Molly -- DO NOT let this scare you away from this GB. And why did you leave chat last night right after I got there? You missed out on a stimulating conversation...
Don't forget Elvis Costello fans: Tomorrow at 4:00 PM Pacific http://www.kmtt.com
StAl
| Chips | Day: 14
Molly - did you read your post before you hit the SIGN button?
St Al gives us that one last chance to make changes - take advantage of it!
RESET
| angel | Day: 14
Blaise irrevelant? Never. If anything, he feels too much.
Change the style of the board, please don't. God, I hate those threaded things.
Words to live by . . . .scroll
| Molly | Day: 14
Dano, Yes I think St.Al is FINE! I suppose everyone has certain preferences about most things in life. Music,books,what is informative and entertaining on GB.... I have always loved big people! (not to stereotype) And St.Al has many qualities that I'd find very appealing besides his looks. I'd give up any aesthetics for a man like St.Al! lol.
If he only played guitar......lol lol.
| Karl Marx - froggish men, unpleasant to see | Day: 14
Clas: You abscond with my famus line, and you oppose organized religion as fervently as an evangelist. Good boy, yah? YET, you support monolithic, harsh, theocratic totalitarian states who use organized religion to spread hate and death, and whose workers have but only one expression of power: attaching their children to a bomb for a Judas sac...Is there even a shred of rational thinking behind this amazing paradox? 19th Century minds want to know...
Bill,
If Donald and Walter ever wasted their time before peering into the GB, you can be assured that they will not any longer...
| Dano | Day: 14
Molly , Whats this you think StAl is a hunk of a man?????? Do you wanna borrow my four eyes or what??Sorry Pat had to get that one in??
I posted over a year and a half ago about new members to the GB , It doesnt matter if you"ve been a member of the board for 10 years or 10 minutes your shit still smells the same as everyone elses.
Regards Dano.
| balise | Day: 14
Ok then StAl, Dave Mathews doesn't suck that much when compared to others out there. How's that? Sorry you felt offended about something I wrote. My gawd... I feel all guilty here. Certainly, I wasn't exposed to any abuse myself as a result of your laxism. Nah... not one little bit.
This said, the book is fine, really. In fact, if you let it go and wait patiently, it has this self-regulating mechanism where if people don't like someone's style, they'll ignore them and over timee they'll end up getting the message and change their approach or even leave, eventually. But when that did start to happen concerning a certain someone, you were the ONLY one who took this person under your wing, short-circuiting the natural cleansing process and giving this person undue legitimacy in your space. And that I could prove. It'd be hard, painful archive digging work but I could do it.
This is your guestbook. Who you endorse is your choice and every choice comes with its consequences. I did express my opinion and you may disagree. Just as I disagree with your treatment of Clas, who after so many years of presence, deserves better consideration on your part, imho.
Irrelevant, off topic? me? Surely some mistake. This goes against all opinions I'm aware of as expressed in the past. I come off sounding pompous? sure (it's the French). Controlling? perhaps. Boring? to some, I guess. But irrelevant? Could you prove that?
OLE! Help me! That mean man said I was irrelevant. ;-(
| Bill | Day: 14
Don and Walt,
Bite Me.
| Donald & Walter | Day: 14
Bill- It is because of fans like you that we never leave our homes. Fans like you scare us to death.
| Bill | Day: 14
Just to clarify...
I NEVER included Pat or Jim Mckay in with the so-called "Steely
Dan Elite". Niether of them has ever tried to make me feel like
a lesser SD fan. I know who the "elitists" are and they don't
affect me in the least. They are such losers in real life that
the only way they can achieve any sense of self worth is to
set up a small clique amongst themselves and cast dispersions
at the world around them. Again, they are losers in real life
and this is why they seek to find thier glory here. They won't
find it with me.
My question isn't for anyone here. My question is for
Donald Fagen and Walter Becker...
Don and Walt,
Tell us, which of us are the greater fans and which are the
lesser? Which of us fans are "relevant" to you? Does this
clique of "Steely Dan Elitists" mean more to you than the
rest of us? Are they special? Are we not? Hopefully your
answer is not "yes". I don't think it would be. But
just in case the answer is "yes", let me know so I can
decide which waste can to toss every last vestige of your
memories into ok?
| B Sneeks | Day: 14
YGK - New Rush CD - no keyboards - Back to basics
Keyboards are OK - But I couldn't eat a whole one
Gaucho outtakes are very interesting - Were you deaf that day ???
Lifes a laugh innit ???
| Aussie | Day: 14
Hey Beemer! Just as I was making my way back to my throne from the know-it-all-master-bosses-of-you-and-reigning-Steely Dan-royalty conference at the Grand Hyatt today in New York, I realised I left my sceptre in the freakin' taxi cab!!! (yipes!). Any way you or the esteemed Mr. McKay could grub another one for little ole me? My life would not be the same without it.
Brujita: Welcome back love.
FeverDream sequence descriptor: Brilliant.
Happy Tuesday all!
Aus
| YGK | Day: 14
Yo Bad S: wazzwrong with keyboards?
Roy.Scam: I do hope you are on TM2002 - you are a charmer and a wonder to hear......
ygk
| Bad S | Day: 14
Bela Fleck and the flecktones - Live at the point !!!!
Welcome back Neil Peart (no keyboards either !!!)
How many people in this GB actually get on ???
Chill out for chrissakes
Love and music - Bad S
| lp | Day: 14
no threads! that's so m-s-n...
;p
| Roy.Scam | Day: 14
Mu~ Oh no you didn't. You didn't leave "Oh Wow.." off your lineup of the phantom Ninth album. Perhaps you just forgot. An otherwise fine hypothetical list. -- As for the inclusion of "Were You Blind That Day", at least one other rock star has released the same song twice with slightly altered lyrics. Trivia me that Answer Man.
Good observations on Nightfly. I hadn't noticed that all the songs were written in the first person. In contemplating that, I observed that all but two of the songs on Kamakiriad are in first person; those two (Countermoon, Teahouse) are in second person.
I also noticed that Steely Dan's first two hit songs were written in second person. Any significance to be garnered from that?
Lisa G~ Sorry to hear that you won't be singing on the TM Compilation. You have a great voice. It's clean and clear enough to drink out of. [Did you see that? I got so carried away about your singing that I lost control and ended a sentence with a preposition.]
I have recieved no fewer than three compliments in the last 48 hours, in this distinguished venue, from people whose opinions have credibility. I thank you each, since, among other conditions, I have PDS (Praise Dependency Syndrome). -- Now I'm concerned that there's a rumor going around that I'm dying. Nonetheless, thanks for the kind words.
ANOTHER MISHEARD LYRIC~ I recently noticed that the reminiscing line form "Springtime" is "Mad Mona baking gospel candy". I had always heard it as "Mad motivatin' gospel candy." I suppose one could have a radical year either way.
Hank Silvers~Regarding your fevered dreams on "The Bear"; you are the master of creating literary scenarios from Steely dan material. I'll bet you could take a cough, a traffic jam or a scooting dog and effectively use it as a fictional foundation.
RS
| StAl | Day: 14
Hoops: Geez, I'm sorry -- I didn't mean to imply your guestbook is boring or that you're some sort of taskmaster. Once again my choice of words was misunderstood and that's no ones fault but myself. If it wasn't for you I would have never gotten involved in this stuff and I thank you for it.
Clas: Go fuck yourself you arrogant (and CLUELESS) asshole.
For years I've tried to take to middle ground. For years I've encouraged open discussion on all sorts of topics. For years I've defended the rights of CLas, Bill and many others who's post I often disagree with. For years I've listened to pontificating jaggoffs like Blaise telling me what I'm doing wrong.
I know what I do is appreciated by most. And it's for you I do it. The rest really can eat my shorts.
Don't tell me there isn't enough discussion about relevant topics on this board. We are an assemblage of Steely Dan fans. With this in mind we share similar interests and opinions, so I've always felt it a great opportunity to provide a forum where like-minded people can share their thoughts and opinions on a whole host of topics -- all the while weaving a common thread (Steely Dan). Don't tell me this doesn't happen, cause it does. However, when you start discussing topics like religion, politics or other controversial issues, things are bound to get heated and feelings are bound to get hurt, which can then degrade the quality of the conversation. However, this is nothing new. Go back through the archives and you will see this is a fairly common phenomenon. During periods of low band activity things get a little dicey. The period of time which Blaise refers to as the salad days is, well, shortly before, during and after the release to 2AN and the Summer tour. Once the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thing and all the awards were issued and the band became less visible, we start to loose focus on this common thread. Once the band activity picks up again we'll start hearing from some of the old-timers. Just like before.
What good would moderation do? So what if Edd and MC want to talk about birds (this is not directed at Hoops). I've learned a thing or two through their dialog. And what the fuck is all this sci-fi talk between Bill and others? I really don't know. Do I like reading it? No. But if I don't like reading this stuff, then I scroll. If you're too lazy to scroll then don't let the door hit'cha. The hardest part of moderation is making everyone happy. Sure, some people would like it if I deleted Clas's posts, or Bills, or Molly. Whatever. However, others might not. How do you win? Fact is you don't.
I have been toying with the idea of a threaded discussion forum. This might make it easier for people who are offended by the Clas's of the world to more easily avoid his posts. Maybe...
Lastly, though I don't care for Blasie's last post, I really must say I totally admire the fact he expressed his opinion without hiding behind an anonymous name. This, as many of you know, is one of my biggest pet-peeves. Though it may have hurt and/or offended me I completely respect your right to voice your opinion. You know, in the 7 years I've been running this guestbook I have only posted anonymously one time (seriously). I find it completely unnecessary. Often my opinions get me into hot water, but if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
Also, Blaise, there was once a time when people hated your posts -- saying they were off topic and irrelevant. Remember? Can you say kettle black?
| YGK | Day: 14
W1P: Fantastico - of course! So we'lll meet.....
ygk
| W1P | Day: 14
Steeve -- is the Genesis band "Cinema Show"? If so, then you are in for a treat, brother. That band is fronted by none other than Shaun Guerin.
| Tex | Day: 14
My little wild one, please get in touch. I'm going to be in Atlanta next week. Can you meet me there? I started missing you the moment you left. Call me later.
| W1P | Day: 14
Gee YGK, I live in LA too.
Hank Silvers, I get "Have A Cigar" from the Bear.
| W1P | Day: 14
Gee YGK, I live in LA too.
Hank Silvers, I get "Have A Cigar" from the Bear.
| Hank Silvers | Day: 14
Thanks to Andy and the mysterious stranger who made available these latest rarities. Interesting to see the 3 works in progress in comparison with the final versions. Kind Spirit is just fine, and the full-band version of Kulee Baba is a tantalizing glimpse at the quality of what goes in the SD discard heap. Then there's If You Got The Bear...I like this one a lot already. Kinda-sorta the feel of It Keeps You Running, and chords in the chorus sound as though they were recycled in Big Noise New York a decade later. Now comes the feverdream sequence: With warped carousel music and technically-enhanced vocals, it sounds like it should accompany footage of a man lurching through a hall of fun-house mirrors.
| lcpaul | Day: 14
And all he could say was "Ouch!"
| Molly | Day: 14
lcpaul, sorry bud! I don't have any white cotton panties...it's a girly-girl thang...lol.
I see the ol looney bin is still full! I thought this was a message board!!! Jewish ghetto chat..now there's a concept!
Mon Chere, thanks for your good thoughts.
Aus, good to finally talk a minute.
Jaz, Bill,Bluz and Mr. St.AL, I enjoyed our conversation ver much.
off to fight the good fight, peace M.
| flingers | Day: 14
Has anyone visited other SD-only areas lately?.........(rustle of passing tumbleweed, low moan of desert wind, bleached skull grinning out of the sand.........scary!). Viva La GB!!!
blinkers are for carthorses!
| lp | Day: 14
hey clas - you never know
martin luther was rumored to have asked for the sacraments on his deathbed, because hey, even he, having founded the lutheran church, thought, well, maybe they were right
lol - we'll never know until we hit the other side
may we all go in our sleep to peacefully find that out
i'm way deep into nothing special, i suppose...lol/smirk
ygk, you travelin wilbury you - have fun!
| OMG OMG | Day: 14
Gawd have mercy on this poor soul for he can't see the errror of his ways. lol
| YGK - Reading the last few days....... | Day: 14
Chere! You've been thot of muchly, especially at the N'awlins JazzFest.......write me soon........we need to tawk.........
Clas: As I discussed with you recently, I wouldn't say this if I din't mean it, but it looks to me over here that you're hitting the sauce again........leave Chere alone - no kidding.......trust me on this.....
and Hoops and St. Al are the perfect examples of HUGE FANS who have a passion for what they believe in......and if it gets them backstage passes, good for them......
have you ever had backstage passes? There actually kind of nice.......just CHILL, brother.........
St. Al, Aja, Angel, Peg, Ducky, Steveedan, JDubz, and other left coasters.........
I'm planning the rest of my vacation, and I'm not going to Amsterdam.......I'm coming to LA for starters, and hopping around.....driving.......
Please write me so I can coordinate with you........
I do want to see if I can see Cowboy Mouth - cause they're based in CA.....
But write me, and I will figure this out.......
ygk
| Oh yes Dragon: | Day: 14
For Christ sake, I am an atheist.
C
| Clas @ Work | Day: 14
¯ - well put. It's just the way it is.
Dragon - thanks, first I wrote ôRelgion is Opium for the Peopleö, then exchanged the word ôpeopleö to ômassesö and now:
ôReligion is Opiate for the Massesö
Hallelujah and Praise the Lord!
LP - seriously now, are you saying that a woman from a different religion, different from the one you are practicing, saved you from the flu? If that's so LP, it's time to convert to Ju-Ju, isn't it?
Chere - good, cool, it's not easy to see when I am joking, ask Ange.
---
I think the Time Out Of Mind at Andys, the one with piano, drumloop, guitar and bass + harmony-singing is a better version than the one who ended up on the album. So tight, so cool, and that piano-groove is awesome, I wonder if it IS Fagen playing at the same time he's singing. Doubt it.
The backup voices (Mike Mc Donalds etc) are probably the ones that ended up at the final cut.
C
| YGK - SHAMELESS PLUGGING!!! | Day: 14
Direct from KRVM in Eugene Oregon:
"This week on the Rock-N-Rome Show I will feature three Bands from New York.
These bands are intertwined. Malcolm Hunter, Tycoon Dog and Core.
Core consist of Bill Burtt bass and vocals (formally with Tycoon Dog) Malcolm
Hunter piano, keyboards and vocals (also formally with Tycoon Dog) and Peter
Ray Runnells drums and vocals (formally with Tycoon Dog.
I will feature Malcolm Hunter's Wunderground Radio CD
Tycoon Dog Ruff Cut CD
And for the first time ever aired on the West coast Core's brand new sneak
preview of two songs on their new up coming CD ("Trying to Sort it all Out")
Remember there are three things I ask when you listen to the Rock-N-Rome Show.
(1) Crank up your volume (2) Have a good time and (3) To get down and boogie
in your underwear!!
And of course Rock-N-Rome's Corny pick of the week To tickle your funny bone!!
Please let me know if you have been listening on the Internet at
www.radiodestiny.com
or if you have been having any problems getting on that
site.
Studio line (541) 687-3147 Sundays 5pm-8pm
peace, Rome"
Tune in, folks........
ygk
| Face The Face | Day: 14
It's not only about Steely Dan. It's about people (operative word, take note) who happen to have a common interest in the music of SD. There is life beyond SD, these people bring that life to this board. You bring your life to this site any time you post due to the fact your opinion or comment on anything is influenced by the particular mindset you possess. If you care about other people you appreciate most (another operative word) of what is written, here or anywhere. If you are more into formulating decorative phrases for your own amusement, then no, you would probably not want to hang out here or in chat. Fact being you would most likely start your own site, or just leave altogether, or come back periodically and attempt to reaffirm the caste system.
| Duncan | Day: 14
Well said Blaise...
I suppose this the wrong time to be mentioning it's my 1st birthday here tomorrow
Fuckit..ive had a ball this year & met some great people.
+ now I get bucket loads of porn spam every morning always a bonus, & to the person who's sending me a virus every Monday morningà..zzzzzzzzzzz
Duncan
| lp, with earl gray | Day: 14
hey all
chere, did i see you slip in and out of here - wow, thanks for popping in girlie, we miss you - your juju to me prevented the flu season from descending on me - thanks - peaceful prayers will be said for your family's continued challenges
so i'll have a cup of earl gray civilized tea with my opium, make it to go
listened to andy's newest downloads before going to my meeting last night - wow, great stuff - do we ask where and how he gets this stuff or is it better not to?
aus, lovee, happy tuesday
and was that blaise that posted in here? wow, it is a good reunion week, but alas, we are missing steviedan, green earrings, and many others i'm afraid - are you a-lurkin there buddy?
off to save the world, see you! *
| ▀ | Day: 14
"This "one-ups-manship" is kind of silly don'tcha think?"
[...]
... from the desk of a very high ranking Dan fan..."
"This "one-ups-manship" is kind of silly don'tcha think?"
[...]
That sounds contradictory to me but we'll pretend we didn't notice so you'll keep your "rank", however you got it in the first place.
Did you miss me, Stevee? Mwaha
I know I miss stevIe.
I second that. Dave Matthews does suck.
Oooh looky here... Dandom politics. Oh Goody.
And we know where StAl stands. I wouldn't bother to add anything usually and I'm reluctant to eat his shorts so I'll make it brief. Take Roy Scam. Roy is a good read. If you have any sense in you, as webmaster, you try and keep the Roys and get them to sing as much as possible on this PUBLIC, supposedly REPRESENTATIVE Dan venue and try and keep the Bills from belching their self-serving dish too loudly. But for StAl, there is no difference between a Roy rant and a Bill rant, obviously. It's all good.
And until StAl tells Bill to quit jerking off, he won't stop (and even then). So over time, Bill meets other wankers out there and we end up swimming in a giant pool of low-grade spunk. In the meantime, stevie dan is gone 'cause he couldn't swim in all that shit. Follow me?
In other words, there was a time when the numbers of Roys (meaning people who actually are mindful of the content they leave here, not because Walter might be reading but because human beings might) far outweighed the Bills. Then WITH THE ARRIVAL OF THE "NEW AND IMPROVED" CHATROOM, we saw the emergence of a new breeding ground for Bills, who WOULDN'T have lasted very long had they arrived just a year beforehand, I second that.
So it went a little like this (hey you want the truth or not?):
They meet in chat. They bond in chat, build a sense of community, turn it into a little jewish ghetto of their own. They hear of a certain guestbook (I'm shitting you not) by the regulars who wander there. They land on gb, use it as a springboard for private chit-chat activities. Then start using bulletin board as chatroom and defend each other's right to do so against what they call the will of the "supposed veterans" or the "pseudo-intellectuals" that once inhabited it as majority. Read Bill's post down there, an outright confession of this suspected viewpoint.
That is not even the issue. The issue is quality of content, be it from a newcomer or not. And seeing how these people and their concerns of limited interest ended up getting rid of but the most hardcore of posters speaks volume on the reception of their input.
Speaks for itself, really.
Not that it matters to me now. It's not my book. You can have it now I got my own. But I think the host has read the evolution of his forum all wrong and chose to endorse the trend towards less Dan, less wit, less taste, more filling. Level of discussions at an all-time low. Go figure.
The host seems comfortable with this situation. It suits him well for some reason. Whatever the intentions behind his choice, Dan fans got the message. They packed their kids. End of story.
And that's the way I see it. It's no big deal, just facts as I see them, is all.
Granted you don't have to make the page a good read, even if it has the Steely Dan name attached to it. Nope. It would seem more fitting but it's not necessary.
All I know is that if I were to discover the page today, I would have never bothered with it. And I know a host of other people in Dandom who feel the very same way.
We loved the gb. It has changed. Life goes on.
| lcpaul and achtung baby | Day: 14
Jeez, I can't leave you guys alone for a minute, and look what happens. Damn this time difference.
First things first.
Spineless arsehole - when I want your opinion, I'll give it to you. 'Kay.
Now that that's out of the way, on to some seemingly unrelated Dan issues.
Sorry, just for the record, I love Steely Dan's music. Have since the first time I clapped ears on it. And I enjoy exchanges with other people who have Dan as a focus. Doesn't mean we have to talk about Dan all the fuckin' time. That would result in dextrorotation, of which the definition, incidentally, is: "having the property of rotating the plane of a polarised light ray to the right".
Molly - white 100% cotton briefs do it for me every time. And to think some people call me kinky!
Bill - hey! I agree, but then I would, wouldn't I?
Can anyone tell me how to gain entry to the chat room? I can't seem to gain access to Main Chat, if that makes any sense. Battling. But then I am one of the "newbies". Yer right.
Off to be unfaithful with Talking Heads, REM and U2.
Imagine Michael Stipe, David Byrne and D&W collaborating.
Yours in what I hope is the true spirit of Steely Dan.
As Arnie said:"I'll be back." Whether Spineless Arsehole likes it or not.
Viva the newcomers! Viva Mandela!
| chere | Day: 14
Clas- Thanks for saying you were sorry. Means alot. None of it came across as tongue in cheek to me. As far as you quoting me on the dark stuff I very clearly said "IF" I was one who practices the darker realms. I do not, I Am a very kind loving person. I also happen to appreciate a religion that I can practice in a solitary manner, so I would not include me in those masses you speak of dear. I have to go fly around doing erands early thhis morning before I go to the hospital. It was nice to see an apology from you when I got up this morning.
Gotta Bounce- Chere
| Dragon | Day: 14
I certainly hope that no one thought that I was implying that anyone was being rude in the chat room, just caught up in their own conversation.
Roy.Scam -- you are very close on one of your guesses for dextrorotation, and I bet you'd be good at a game called Balderdash. It's a blast to play -- I think you'd really enjoy it.
Clas -- The correct English translation of that quote would be opiate not opium. Are you an atheist? Or just have something against organized religion?
Dragon
| Clas @ Work | Day: 14
ôClas, I really don't know what your dammage is brother...ö
ô...If I was a practicioneer of the darker versions of this religion I would just get your name and put it in a Ta Ta Nganga Palo Mayombe's Zarabanda cauldron and you would feel no effects. You would either become very ill and slowly watch your life rot away, go insane, or heaven forbid drop dead.ö
And this is coming from a generous, loving, religous woman?
That's probably why I stay out every religous bullshit I come across.
C
| Clas | Day: 13
Chere - I am saying nasty things all the time? I say a lot of things, but they're not nasty ALL the time. I said that Voodoo-thing with a tongue in cheek kind of manners, if you got so hurt, well, I apologize.
But my opinion is still the same: Religion is Opium for the Masses.
C
| Earthbound | Day: 13
Whoa...
CLAS:
What the fuck are you saying?!
Have eighteen more, please. It ain't
about "class" with Hoops, it's never
been, you earwig. Shh!
I realize you're still coming out of
(ETOH)ibernation, but give a guy a
break, eh?
Geez, I guess I really don't miss this.
Bluebook here i cum
(bummed)
| Earthbound | Day: 13
Amigos,
Just found 2vN on the platter of the
office CD player. Looking up, I see
that there are three cases from which
to choose. Problem is, the original
case in absent. There's Metheny's
"Falcon and the Snowman" soundtrack,
"Girl At Her Volcano"(RLJ) and TM2000.
Fuck, that's a gimme, the 2vN straggler
ended up on top of the GB Comp.
Hoops!: Scans enroute
Geoff: Thanks, see ya in July!
Oleander: Wait a minute, who's that fair-
haired Leprechaun in da photo?...
Summer's nigh, big smacks!
Peace like an orgasm, Earthbound
| Clas @ Work | Day: 13
StAl/Hoops - what I don't understand is: what is so special going backstage and meet Walter Becker? I mean, you're not 19 years old and we are not talking about Britney Spears or Spice Girls?
You keep saying, again and again and again that "we don't care about Steely Dans private lifes, what counts is their music".
Still you put up those ridiculous champagne-pictures with you and Becker backstage somewhere. I understand why Becker does this shit: it's good for business, but why you guys are doing it just... well, you wanna impress the average gringo-dan-fan.
As Elton John put it: "The Americans have unhealthy relations with their celebritiesö.
I wouldn't give a shit if this was a Michael Bolton and/or Meg Ryan Fan page, but STEELY DAN!?
It's so fucking unbelievable.
And look at you Hoops, you're so shitscared you won't get those backstage passes next tour so you feel the need to censor your Blue Page.
Would you keep a post like this on your site:
"... Beckers song 'Down in the Bottom' is about Beckers struggle to get out from his Heroin addiction back in the 70's - 80's...ö
I bet you wouldn't. And it wouldn't end up on Oleanders Fever Dreams either.
You are too involved with The Stars.
| chere | Day: 13
Hello to all in dandom.
A really great thing happened to me on my evening trip tot he ocean for some personal healing (which I had mentioned before i have been doing alot of it there lately). ON my drive there the local radio announced their "album tribute" tonight would be Yes you guessed it The wonderful Steely Dan! Which album you ask? That fantastic masterpiece "The Royal Scam" folks! Who was more jazzed than me tonight? So there I sat with my headset on watching the waves roll onto the glistening shore imagining it taking away all this pain I feel and recyling it into something more positive and productive. I could feel a slight breeze blowing and my hair on my back and I really did walk away from that shoreline tonight with a renewed and more balanced flow in my heart. So BIG UP for the DAN !!!!!
UNfortunately I came home to bad news one of the two folks in my family that have been really bad sick was admitted into the hospital tonight and it looks like she will remain there so they can better manage the cancer and the complications that go along with it. She is in stage three and has it in her kidneys. My grandmother who has lymphatic Cancer inoperable and also in her lungs has decided to reamin at home and spend the rest of her days there. I hope if this happens to me I have that choice. Kiss and hug the ones you love. Treasure every precious moment and listen to your favourite music whenever possible.
Now Molly- I DID make a Peace Cloud for miss Krissy and offered it up to Obatala and have high hopes that her situation will improve. Keep prayers up. I also had my madrina (godmother in Candomble' /Santeria) put up a candle for her. I would have done it myself her at the house but as BOB Marley sings I have had to "turn my lights down low" lately. Just pray.
Clas- I really don't know what your dammage is brother. I was not being snotty when I posted "were you saying hello to the juju?' meaning me. I was surprised actually if you were. Obviously you were not. But let me tell you something, my religious faith is a huge part of me, and those that know and care about me respect that about me. I have made many sacrifices personally and a very long journey physically and mentally as well as lots of study to get where I am as a third degree preistess. There are only four levels in the caste, but then you would know nothing of that. You can only spout off and refer to it as voudoun and quackery. They say ignorance is bliss and I agree that that is true sometimes, but then other times it is just plain ugly. You made a concsious effort to be disrespectful and ugly to me. I am obviously in a very fragile place in my life right now, people close to me VERY CLOSE are dying, or have already passed and it's really fucking sad. And yes Clas, death is a part of life, and perhaps you already know all about it Mr. grown up. But you know what? I am only just learning about it and my introduction has been very violent and ugly and shocking. If I WAS to pray for you you would feel effects of kindness and joy and peace and nicety. If I was a practicioneer of the darker versions of this religion I would just get your name and put it in a Ta Ta Nganga Palo Mayombe's Zarabanda cauldron and you would feel no effects. You would either become very ill and slowly watch your life rot away, go insane, or heaven forbid drop dead. My suggestion to you is to educate yourself before you open your mouth in a disrespctful manner to me. I have never addressed you in such a way and would appreciate the same. I normally would have ignored this all together but it really really bothered me and I would like to be able to partake and enjoy sharing Steely Dan related and other types of happenings on this GB as I have in the past. Obviously I AM welcome here. If I am not someone please speak up and correct me and I will disappear, believe me my plate is WAY full. YOu would be a really great guy to apologize publicly since you disrespected me publicly but whatever. Go in peace and good health on your journey, whatever it is that makes you NEED to say nasty things all the time I hope it gets better I really do. I am sure once you get beyond the crap your'e probably not a bad dude.
Done ranting I am tired really really tired. The whole Royal Scam Album ON the RADIO Can you believe it? WOW!
PS My sister says Norah Jones is the daughter of the Maharishi Ravi Shankar. Is this true? He frequented my brother in laws house IN India and in at their homes in Dubai and London as well many many times as he is a close friend of my brother in law's father Persia, and boy do I know some crazy and funny stories about him. All un BEATLE related.
DA sugabearchere JUJUchile'
| Mistress of Mayhem aka Molly | Day: 13
Midnite Cruiser, I appreciate the tip about our GB guitarists! I'm not a guitarist groupie..lol But love guitar music, and for some reason seem to end up with guitar player! lol I guess when St.Al said YGK was musician I assumed he was guitarist. Is this find Molly a boyfriend week? Why are you all recommending all these men to me? lol One innocent little song line...
St.Al you're still best looking man I've seen in a month! Sorry couldn't talk, got bounced! Then parrot had a hissy. Perhaps another time!
| Steveedan | Day: 13
This "one-ups-manship" is kind of silly don'tcha think? If I have been here over a year, am I no longer a newbie? Like Bill says, a lot of people who might have just shown up here have probably been listening to the Dan since the mid-70's and that is hardly lightweight status.
Besides you don't wanna get me started. I was 15 when Rikki was a new hit on the radio ... the first Dan song that I knew was theirs. I loved Do It Again, and Reelin' but didn't know it was the Dan. So I came on board on the Pretzel Logic album. What about "master chord slut" status? How much weight does that pull around here? And the most important question ... who gives a Dan?
I love 'em, you love 'em ... what's the problem?
Also, I am waiting to receive these newer found Gaucho outtakes from a secret source ... but I have been waiting for over a month now. It's time to go check out Andy M's (not Auntie Emm's !) site for a preview of what I hope to receive soon.
Pretzel Logic has it's first gig booked for Saturday night July 27th at Paladino's in the valley of Los Angeles. We will be opening for a Genesis tribute band. I plan to snare some gigs for the band prior to that one, but the Paladino's gig is set.
Let's all take the new-comer's advice (Hi Molly) ... be peaceful and loving to one another. The other behaviour just smacks of that "lost kitten's mittens neener neener neener" song.
Besides I'd rather have a nooner than a neener any day.
... from the desk of a very high ranking Dan fan who doesn't care about that stuff ...
Stevee Dee
| Bill/The Rating of Dan Fans | Day: 13
Concerning this discussion of "seniority" in the Steely Dan
world, I'd just like to say that some of our friends seem to
think that just because they've been here longer than some
other folks, that they are more knowledgeable as to what
makes Steely Dan tick than some of our newer people are.
This is, of course, NOT TRUE.
I mean many of the people who show up here, or on the Bluebook
for the first time, have been listening to Steely Dan for
nearly 30 years. I would venture to say that some of them
were listening to Steely Dan when many of you so-called
"Oldtimers" were still in diapers.
Needless to say, it is in extremely poor taste as well as
being unecessarily rude and childish, to form cliques and
little circles of so-called "Steely Dan Elites" in order
to lord it over those whome you deem to be of lesser
SD pedigree than yourselves. How rediculous you are.
How Juvenile you are. You're laughable.
I've been listening to Steely Dan since the early 70's.
According to your system, I must be a 4-star General
amongst the rankings of the so-called Steely Dan Elite.
Actually, I would probably be a member of the Steely Dan
Joint Chiefs of Staff. Go ahead. kneel and kiss my ring...
You "Elites" don't impress me with your Steely Dan acumen.
Some of these "Newbies" are damned fine people with some
really cool things to say. If you would drop your sceptre and
step down off your thrones for 5 seconds you might see that too.
| ╡ | Day: 13
Bonus live tracks on the Japanese CD:
Cash Only Island
Wetside Story
| ╡ | Day: 13
Roy: Greatest bass line this side of the Pamlico Sound. Y'know there is a certain skeevy pleasure at pretending to have a 9th Dan album while waiting for the Next One. ...and as many piasters as I've spent on the bastards, there's gotta be a perk or two somewhere.
Seriously, looking at this lineup below is like facing down Murderer's Row. One of my too oft mentioned favs Crowded House released their leftovers as Afterglow, and they are for the most part incomplete and understandably left out...In contrast, if the Dan outtake collection were a debut album, the critics would sing laudables usually saved today for uhhhh well...Eminem (man, I feel sorry for my kids)...
I call this collection:
Bear's Got Your Ass
Mister Sam
All Too Mobile Home
Second Arrangement
Can't Write Home About You
Kulee Baba
I Got the Bear
Talkin' 'Bout My Home
Kind Spirit
Were You Blind That Day (featuring Steely Dan)
...and to think that somewhere, in some basement, there are Aja outtakes...
Hoops: Don't feed the...nevermind
You know that the vast majority feel that for Jim and Pat...it's the love, man...
| Roy.Scam | Day: 13
Hoops, St.Al and Andy M~ Though you have no need to defend yourselves, I will publicly count myself among those who have benefitted for years by the fact that you guys do things that I'm not energetic, enterprising, and/or clever enough to do. The harshest adjective I would apply is 'obsesseed', certainly not undeserving. Then agiain, I've heard that 'obsessed' is just a word that the lazy use to describe the dedicated.
Andy~ Thanks for posting those Gaucho outtakes. The instrumental version of "Gaucho" grabbed me the hardest. It's plain beautiful. Also, I usually think that Don and Walt's work gets better as they endleesly tweak it; but I think I like "Were You Blind That Day" better than "Third World Man".
Midnite Cruiser~ Thanks for mentioning my guitar playing in the same sentence as Hutch's.
I have, in a flurry of unproductive mental activity, come up with a spin on the oleander reference in "My Old School". Perhaps the lady (the cruel one) grew her own weed in a window box which she kept outside her door. Someone, presumably the victim of her alleged cruelty, has secretly replaced her most recent hallucinogenic seedlings with seeds from the lovely but toxic flower. Though he knows he won't be there when it happens, he can relish the sweet irony of the moment she discovers the horticultural sabotage.
Clas~ 'dextrorotation'. Good word. Grandiloquent enough to decorate any sentence, yet realistic enough that only the most confident scholar would dare to challenge it. The best I can figure, it means either: 1) A continuous series of right turns or 2) Eating sweets on a merry-go-round.
Ducky~ Neologism, eh? I thought those were called sniglets. That's one reason I follow the writings of you and Oleander; I'm forced to learn a new word every three paragraphs. My goal is to hang around you both till I achieve total literarity.
My favorite unreleased Dan songs at the moment are "Oh Wow , It's You Again" and "Talkin About My Home". I don't see how they could improve on that version of "Talkin'". Just stick it as is on The New One (or is this one called The New One II ?)
If anyone here hasn't listened to the early versions of Gaucho, Black Cow, and I Got the News on Andy M's site; do it right now, before you return to real life.
And check out the DVD version of the movie "Waking Life", one of last year's most intriguing. It's not Dan-related, but you're bound to start thinking about what Walt and Donald would have done with the soundtrack.
RS
| hoops | Day: 13
Hey, all this web stuff is all a small side-show, a minor footnote at best to Steely Dan. While Clas clearly has his mind made up about me, a few clarifications in the event it matters to others.
1) I've been doing Dan-inspired computer things for years, even before the Internet. The Dandom Digest was put out daily for over three years (since March 1993) before I was aware Becker/Fagen knew of it. Steely Dan has inspired me to do a lot of creative art, writing, etc way back even in the 70s and 80s which I will describe in some other post, assuming it matters to anyone. I do the Digest, etc., simply because I love to do it. It's true that SD is generous in many ways to their fans. If some of us have been comped tickets, I don't think it's because we expected it. I just know that when it's happened, I'm very humbled and I make sure any of my previously purchased tickets are given to someone who has not been fortunate to afford or secure tickets. Or if I can have a guest, you can bet it will be a Steely Dan fan rather than my latest one-night stand babe. I'm really embarrassed to even mention this comp thing at all, but someone pointed out that I should clarify.
2) The BlueBook was started at the request of some people here and with reluctance and hesitancy on my part. It was preceded by three or four months of convincing by them. It became clear to me that what was going to be implemented anyways without my involvement would have negatively impacted the Dandom Digest while doing little to clear up the "Jerry Springer" vibe that was on this GB at the time.
4) Moderating the Bluebook or SIS GB or any forum IS NOT about censorship or editing posts; that usually makes the problem worse. As posted back when the BlueBook was getting started, the focus of good moderating is exuding a positive presence (through posts) that steers the threads to productive discussion. I think that's why there's been a change in the SIS GB; Pat's been able to come on more often. At the same time, on the BlueBook, I try to stay a bit in the background since it is a forum requested by others and not about me. AGAIN: It's not about editing posts, it's leading positive discussion and chat. Sure, the discussion on the Bluebook is at least vaguely tethered to Steely Dan, but it's not 24/7 discussion of Steely Dan as Pat suggests. It's loose and as long as it's music, humour, satire or somehow vaguely in the spirit of Steely Dan, it's cool. If it were just limited to only Steely Dan topics, the greater contextùand SD's place in itùwould be lost. But, discussion of Birds, Girl Scout cookie sales, etc are not encouraged...unless it's at least really very tangentially Steely Dan. There's a lot of room. (Like the "Nasty Santa" post last December never mentioned Steely Dan but it was in the same wickedly tasty sense of humour as the Dan.) But the point isn't to sway to one forum or anotherùwhat about the great forums and tight Dan Fan communities on Yahoo!, alt.music, MSN, etc?ùbut to show that each has it's own identity that serves a certain perspective on Steely Dan.
5) The BlueBook is the one thing that I've not always felt completely comfortable with. I relate to Pat, since, like him, I have a very demanding set of family obligations that I find very stressful as well, and it's hard to balance. For me, the greater Dandom is an especially welcome respite from those demands as well as work. I often tried to touch base with Pat and other potentially interested parties before doing something like Radio Free Dandom, etc. I really prefer to work in collaboration. (I guess that's why I've stayed in academia as opposed to competing in business.) But the reason I like to collaborate is that Dandom is about all of us and definitely not Pat or me. So hosting an alternate forum isn't quite a "joining" thing. When I became aware that Pat changed the format of the SIS GB last November, I immediately phoned him and was lucky to catch him. I asked what he thought should happen to the BlueBook and Pat said it should go on. But in retrospect, I'm not certain that asking him was right to do in this case since others clearly like the BlueBook for it's vibe. And it's for those who like their Dan scene "blue" that the book continues.
Some people suggest that I'm trying to compete with the SIS GB, etc. That's not the case. If I was competing, there would be a lot of other things I would be doing. For me, it's that I get my nuts off sharing Steely Dan with others. That's why myself and others spend time, energy and money encouraging the Danfests to be experienced beyond just the delightful enGORGEment, to have photo albums and digital movies so we can connect virtually, if not in person. That's why I've gone out of my way to call people like Pat, Martha and others, to dovetail my fun plans with theirs. Others do the same. I consider myself very lucky to be "sharing the things we know and love with those of my kind." Lord, knows that, sadly, none of my real family is interested in Steely Dan :-)
In the spirit of Dan Fan family, I'd like to mention an upcoming attraction designed to bring attention to more than just the usual Dan Fan sites and Internet resources. A while back, I discussed with Pat this idea of having a collection of Steely Dan-related photos that fans would identify. The catch is that these photos would be greatly magnified versions of things we were used to seeing at a much smaller size. It was to be called, "Steely Dan: REAL Up-Close." Then prizes would be given to those who could identify the most photos. Since then, I've had an idea for a twist that I think will make this event much better. The idea is that these enlarged photos would be left "treasure hunt"-style on various assorted Dan Fan web sites. Then, to find these photo clues, we Dan Fans would have to venture beyond the usual Dan forums we are used to to see what other pages are up to or give exposure to sites who undeservedly are less visited. I think it has potential, and more details will be posted as the event comes closer.
Humbly and respectfully,
Jim McKay
aka hoops, for whatevah reason
| Mean Spirit | Day:
"All Steely Dan, is frankly boring"
St.Al: I guess it is when your favorite band isn't Steely Dan.
But continue with this page anyway...so you can get your free tickets! Why people like you...who are only in it for the free tickets, and Andy Metzger... who has every bootleg available for download on his site contine to get tickets and backstage passes, is beyond me.
Wakeup D+W and give the perks to the people that DESERVE it!!!
Oh...DAVE MATTHEWS SUCKS!!!!
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 13
Molly....tsk, tsk, tsk....YGK's not a guitar man, he's a keyboard man and a damn good one I might add....I got to jam with him, Roy Scam, Hutch, oleander, fezo, Hank Silvers and Altamira and some other good folks in Richmond a couple of years ago....If you dig guitar players, check out Roy & Hutch....both smokin' players with very different styles!
| Molly | Day: 13
St.Al, what can I say....lol I'm sure YGK is nice! and I do seem to usually end up with guitar players..But guys like you do it for me! Always have. Mrs.St.Al, is lucky woman.
| | Day: 13
OK, it's only a small part, but...
| ╡ | Day: 13
Here's something scary. Some of the structure and sound of the piano solo in ...Bear resembles eerily that of Lullabye from Ben Folds Five's The Unauthorized Biography of Reinhold Messner...
| StAl | Day: 13
Clas: Your reasoning doesn't make sense. Hoops has been getting backstage passes and tickets to the shows for years. Long before he put up his guestbook. Neither of us do it exclusively for that reason, although I'm sure Hoops will agree it been a nice side benefit.
His reason for a new -- focused guestbook stemmed from the fact this place had become a real hell-hole back around the time he started it. I was too preoccupied with a new baby and new job, plus, given the old format, editing passages would have been a loathsome process so it got real bad. Remember?
Now, however, since I've moved to this new domain things have gotten much better, and I am able to exercise more control with minimal effort. With the exception of SPAM I haven't had to edit one single post! Is it redundant to have 2 forums like this? Maybe, but I don't really believe it. They are still different in that I encourage discussion outside the framework of Steely Dan's music. I wouldn't have it any other way. All Steely Dan is, frankly, boring. Do I like the fact that sometimes information about the band is posted over there instead of here? No, not really. But you can't have your cake and eat it too and if it means requiring people to stay focused on Steely Dan, then so be it. In other words -- to the people who bash this place and the people here you can basically eat my shorts.
Molly: Me over YGK? Are you knuts girl? He's a musician and (I'll vouch) he's a nice guy to boot.
| angel | Day: 13
Mu/B/Howard: Wow, right back at you. Yes! After I went and commented that Kulee Baba didn't feel like Steely Dan (because it only had Piano/keyboard on the clip) this surfaces and blows my comment right out the water. Not Dan enough? What was I thinking! :-)
It has been running through my head all morning. I can only hear it one time at home. Ancient equipment, don't ask.... So I look forward to trying some more clips. So far I managed to hear the Bear and Kulee and both were very interesting, even being 22 years old.
| Bill | Day: 13
Mu,
I'm not sure about "Come Back Baby" but Jeff Baxter did cover
"Don't Let Me In" back in 1981 with the band Sneaker.
Hey, this was a Steely Dan related post no?
Am I holding my own yet?
I just love to compete don't you?
:)
| ╡ - back to work | Day: 13
Mr. Bill, holding your own what...?? hehehe ;-O
| ╡ | Day: 13
Hey, I think Bear has some resemblance to Come Back Baby, 'cept the groove is slowed down...
Does anybody remeber a cover of Come Back Baby in the 70s?????...I swear I remember one summer long ago that song or a ripoff thereof complete with the line "my old man never showed me how.." or...Is this just my hallucination?
| Bill | Day: 13
St. Al (Post 1365),
Your entire post was unrelated to Steely Dan.
According to Anonymous Poster #1358 you should get the heck
off this website pronto.
Spineless Asshole (post 1360),
LCPaul, Molly, WJAZ, Bluz, and others who rarely post here
are one hell of a lot more entertaining that you or any of
your dryed out friends of yesteryear. I can just see
you and your good ol' boys sittin' up on the front porch
squakin' about Steely Dan and whittling corn cob pipes,
all the while complaining about these young whippersnappers
who come to take over the farm.
hehehe...
:) (Mr. Bill holds his own once again...)
| Molly Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 13
lcpaul, going through my lingerie today bud! Do you prefer pink or green silk thongs..? Can't send you a push up bra babe, like LP, I'm liable to put someone's eye out with one of those things...but have nice lace camisole will part with. lol lol
Ladies lets send lcpaul an underwear "care" package! All of us will donate something...what do ya say?
Bluz, my cowboy was only playing. Not real stand up man at all. It happens.They are perfect for one another. Good riddance! Let them make one another unhappy...lol lol talk soon babe.
StAl, you fine hunk of a man, thanks for having me.
be peaceful and loving M.
| ╡ | Day: 13
fl: If a leftover shows up on the next one, I'm betting on WetSide Story. Hey, it has a smokin' Walter guitar solo! No sax...so...I could be a HIT...who knows...
Clas: Yes, that's it...I can hear it now...
| Molly | Day: 13
re 1360: I have listened to Steely Dan since I was 13 years old. I'll soon turn 35, so that's most of my adult life. I loved the poignancy of their lyrics. The Dan lacerate my soul with their razor sharp words and I wouldn't realize I was bleeding until later. Their music is so clean, precise, filled with all these wonderful complexities. I don't feel the need to analyze every chord..I'm not a musician. That's just not my thing.
Nor do I feel the need to get in other people's faces with my opinions about Steely Dan (or any other music),and spout them like I was bestowing pearls of wisdom upon lesser mortals. I know that some people out in Banyan Land think that i'm a lightweight. That's okay, I think some of them are arrogant pricks! I try to be tolerant, and hope other will treat me the same way. If you're so annoyed by the messages posted in GB, then why not just stay with Hoops? Life is short...spare yourself any grief possible!
Dragon, I'm sorry that I didn't get the chance to speak with you last night in chat. You and a person calling themselves Gold Teeth were the first people I ever encountered in a chat room. Both of you were very kind and respectful. Thank you for that! I think that sometimes the people in chat become so enthused about the topic being discussed that we are rather thoughtless with someone entering our conversation. I haven't met anyone in chat who would purposely be unkind or rude to someone else. Like you I am a very private person. Bill once asked me if I had my art on the web.That will in all likelihood never occur. I use a broker to sell my work. Specifically to protect my privacy. The commission he receives is worth every penny to me. I am almost paranoid about me and my child's security. I have told things about myself that I don't normally reveal to people in Banyan chat. (usually after drinking to much scotch!) But like Stevee, I believe most people that I've spoke with are basicially good people. I hope you'll change your mind Dragon.
Face, please have your friend contact me. It was nice talking..
| And it's also cool | Day: 13
to hear Fagen play the groove on Black Cow, he's actually playing the guitar riff on the acoustic piano.
Well, I guess it is Fagen...
(í)
| Face The Face | Day: 13
It's a girl!!
Filly born this morning around 6am. Bay with blaze face and four white socks.
Champagne chilling and cigars all around.
An artist who's CD "Laundry Service" is stuck in my CD player at the moment (by choice) is Shakira. This girl rocks!
VGER: you may want to consider this one for bonding purposes...
| ▀ | Day: 13
Mu - Yes, what I thought. You can't be that high about Kind Spirit. But that bear one is funky enough. It's a damn catchy thing.
Speaking of refining ideas, look at Wetside Story. I said it before, I think Wetside might have become Cousin Dupree. Just listen to the intro riffs and the verses. And the Janine character showing up in the song is another hint. hmmm...
Btw, where's stevie dan gone? Is he alright?
| ╡ | Day: 13
Add Can't Write home About you or substitute for Kind Spirit...
St. Al: From the you gotta walk like ya talk it dept ;-0 You'll be happy to know that while I'm not replacing my 1984 Sentra with a hybrid car (how about a $10,000 voucher from the Feds??? - Congress is spending our $$ now at a pace that exceeds what Gore might have asked for, and W is afraid to veto or the Repubs will be painted as meanies in the next election)..but I did buy a 1997 Toyota Corolla which is exceeding, I swear, 30 mpg.!!! There was ONE perk of a PERSONAL nature, thank goodness!! The single previous private owner who traded the car in for another Toyota (it was a rent-a-car for half of its life according to CarFax) put in a KICKIN' Sony trunk 10 CD changer! Man, I had 11 ToW crankin' on the way in this morning (after I figured out you had to set the radio on 88.3 MHz or something)!! Then I turned the knob up to 11 when Hard Up Case came on...look at all those white men (listening to Garth Brooks) on the street!!! LOL!!!
OK, OK, the wife and the kids are in the minivan..but it can get over 20 mpg on the road and it won't roll over, Spot!!
| Clas | Day: 13
¦ - "Here in the surburbs where it's hard to tell 'fa got the bear or if the bear got meö
Down in the Bottom
(Ñ)
| StAl | Day: 13
ATTENTION ELVIS COSTELLO FANS! On Wednesday afternoon (sometime between 4 and 5 PM Pacific) Elvis Costello will be a guest DJ on KMTT radio here in Seattle. You can listen online here: http://www.kmtt.com
Also, something interesting the morning guys were talking about this AM.
http://www.changingtheclimate.com/
SUV tagging. Funny stuff. As an owner of a gas swillin' pig, we feel guilty as hell about driving it around for purposes other than what it's really need for such as hauling our camper or trips to Home Depot. As soon as we cobble together enough for a small commuter car the truck will be parked except for the aforementioned purposes.
StAl
| | Day: 13
bar = bas
| ╡ - so much for getting a lot of work done | Day: 13
Howard, Andy: Holy Fuck! That's Great!
Wow, there was way more to Bear than I suspected. I heard a Walter core blues thing going on in the original 30 sec. clip
Yeah: "this evolution in the songwriting process" That's one of the 2 things that comes to mind when listening to the outtakes besides "what a shame this one was left in the can"
Throw back the little ones, and pan fry the big ones...
Let's start with Bear. The verse.chorus of the song sounds like something from early, Juraissic Dan, maybe Pre-historic Dan. Very Walter blues thing going on. Wait: "I've Got the Bear or the Bear Got me" - wasn't that used on 11ToW - Junkie Girl? - damn, I was playing that on the way in this morining... The clavinet/guitar thing has almost a Doobie Bros. "Livin' on the Fault Line" feel...but Fagen ends up takes it waaaaay beyond that. It's interesting, since according to interviews - Donald usually started the song and Walter finished. Here it seems like Donald had a few chords and Walter had the core of the song that they merged. Listen to the intro that's pure Fagen at his pure CHORD SLUT best.
The intro has a 2nd Arrangment/West of Hollywood/jazz merrygo 'round kinda feel in a minor key...before it seques into the groove The piano/insturmental break is supreme stuff in a Cole Porter/Nightfly kinda way. I just love the chord progressions Fagen was putting down at this point in his career. While the Kama R&B groove is appreciated, I'm glad he's sliding back to the harmonic progression thing (See Mojo article that Howard? cited). Bear is a killer...
Were You Blind That Day....yeah I can hear them saying...that sounds nice. good ideas, but that just dowsn't work. They keep the best stuff "I saw the fireworks" and turn the song around...emergence of a story.
Yeah, the groove on Kulee is hard to get into at first. I really like the rhythm of the demo...but, by the time the song gets past the 2:45 mark, I'm hooked. Interesting to hear how they interpreted Kulee as a full band. But ya know that's a song that could clearly be done many different ways I could hear it with some emphases late in each bas kinda like I Got the News (da da bum bum DUM DUM) where the piano put the emphasis in the Demo - put the groove in the piano and take it out of the drums - open production with some fill Guerin or Erskine-style snare action...
...as a fan I think its easy for us to salivate and think - if they really have 7 songs done or almost done for the Next One, hell just re-record Kulee, 2ndArrangement, Bear, and Kind Spirit live to get it up to 11 and release...we won't tell...if you've spent your career cannibilizing songs and themes anyway - why not use some really good ones - like these mommas...OK, maybe my head is swimming...back to a couple more listens...
| You got to be kidding me - | Day: 13
- Aussie never made it to Europe?
| Clas | Day: 13
ôWhy do you think Hoops felt the need to put up his own Dan board?ö
So he will get a couple of back stage passes and a Steely Dan hat next tour.
| Spineless Asshole | Day: 13
Wrong- Your right! These past few years have been more about nothing, then about Dan. I really couldn't care less about Aussie's trips to europe or that YGK has an apartment in Harlem. I think Hoops has the right idea. People like Icpaul, Molly and Bill never would have lasted here in the "old days" They would have been crushed like a bug!
| Clas - ouch! | Day: 13
Dragon - my religion? Every religion is bullshit. Opium for the people.
Chere - are you praying for me Chere? You know, it feels like someone is sticking needles in my eyes. If it's you, stop that.
| Wrong! | Day: 13
Where the fuck do you get that statistic? You clearly have been skipping the homeworks there, buddie. Go back a year or two in the archives.
Up until folks like you came around, the topic was Dannish through and through. Why do you think Hoops felt the need to put up his own Dan board?
Motorcycles, Norton Scam 2002, that was like .006% of the time as it should be.
I'm just here today 'cause something Dan is up online - it's a rare thing -and I feel like talking about it with the remainder of the crowd that used to be.
Couldn't care less for you, this said with all due respect, of course.
This siad, I am officially done wasting my typing skills and stamina, as far as you're concerned anyway.
| One other thing... | Day: 13
I've been listening to Steely Dan since 1974.
Don't pull rank with me babe.
| Oh yeah right... | Day: 13
And like maybe 6 percent of these posts were EVER Steely Dan
related. Sorry old-timer but anything funny is also Steely
Dan related.
But if this is the case, why are you still here?
| Yeah sure... they prolly skip your posts though | Day: 13
So anyone had the chance to check those out yet? I know Howard is busy but... you know, anyone from the old school, back when this was THE Steely Dan board?
Btw, you don't really need an antivirus, pal. That is, unless you open every mail attachment that comes your way. In that case, you probably deserve a viral infection.
| Bill | Day: 13
Hey Y'all!,
Just a few questions for you all this morning...Let's see here...
1) Back in 1953 a small silver-colored disk was found in the
Nevada Destert. The U.S. Air Force put out a statement that
this disk was not a UFO but a... No wait, wrong question.
That was a question for the UFO site. Sorry...one second...
2) This motorcycle is liquid cooled but does anyone know where
the thermostat is.... uh one second please...that was a question
for the Motorcycle site...hold on the SD question is here
somewhere...
3) Who did the voice of "Charlie" on Charlies Angels....
Damn! That's not the question....please stand by....
4)Can you tell me how to link the Norton Internet Security
Parental Control settings up with the various Windows
accounts on my....Jeez! That's not it...that's a question
for the Norton site...Man, this is confusing....one sec.
Oh...Ok, here it is...here it is...
Do Don and Walt really read all this stuff on the GB or not?
Thank You.
:)
| Yeah right... | Day: 13
Let's take a look at this for a moment, shall we?
Smoky Sunday
How you looked so unconcerned
While you watched that ... town burn
Were you blind that day?
Bloody Mayday
when the wild ones did their looting
And your voice came in there shooting
Were you blind that day?
You
Safe in your disguise
Who lives behind those eyes?
I could swear there's noone there
Were you crying out
for the ones who took the fall?
When the hangman took them all
Were you blind that day?
I saw the fireworks on the day your slaves were freed
Without one man fit to lead
Were you blind that day?
Now this, originally, seemed to refer to observing some revolutionary leader. Perhaps a Third World leader, yes. And one can see how the song evolved by refining the lyrics, keeping some of the good sounding segments and modifying the rest.
This is the only way one can appreciate this evolution in the songwriting process.
Coolee Baba, baby.
With all due respect to the originators, and I do love their every note or else I'd be waxing on the Norah Jones site or whatever. This is a good slew of insights there. Make no mistake. Mu? Anyone?
| | Day: 13
mere observer= Steveedan
| *sigh* | Day: 13
You just got to hear Third World Man with different lyrics. You just have to. This is great. Thanks for the op, Andy and all.
| lcpaul | Day: 13
For lovers of Japanese English, this site's good for a laff:
http://www.ingrish.com
| mere observer (revisited) | Day: 13
How cool is that?
There's a bear that walks like a man
Better shake him fast
Better hide yourself if you can
'cause he wants your ass
I believe you'll do quite well
But only time will will tell
If you got the bear
Or the bear got you
Now that, that is a good one, man
| lcpaul | Day: 13
LP - I have to agree with you. Just listened to Norah Jones at lunchtime. (Couldn't wait till Friday.) Her voice is much purer than Macy's. Maybe if she sucked some helium! Love the sound of her piano too. Also good to hear a national guitar. Due to time constraints, couldn't listen to the whole thing. Back to buy it later.
| mere observer | Day: 13
When listening to it a few times on a loop, it's easy to see why Kulee Baba was not retained for the final product. Although the groove is good, the hooks fall a little flat, not up to the standard of the other songs that ended up on Gaucho. Some interesting lyrical ideas in there nevertheless. Still on the case...
Any Dan is good Dan...
| Howard | Day: 13
Wow! That full band Kulee Baba is a real treat for the ears. Very tasty snare drum work (Jeff Porcaro I think). A few changes of the lyrics too, always interesting for us obsessives to ruminate over.
The instrumental (piano, rhodes, drums) version of Gaucho is cool too. I think the opening piano has a few more nods to the Jarrett tune than the released version too. Great way to really appreciate the keyboards and drums on this one. How does Jeff Porcaro get that really soft, rolling ghost note snare stuff to work so well - especially on the chorus. What a guy! Piano and Rhodes are superb too of course.
Howard
| Howard | Day: 13
¦ - that Steely Dan "bear" demo clip has been in my head all weekend! The more I listen to it, the more I want to play it... It reminds me a little of Josie - that minor blues feel, with some extra "Steely" chords thrown in, but Bear is much slower and moodier of course.
The good news is ... Andy Metzger has just put up new mp3 files at his site. These include the FULL demo of "I got the Bear", a full band version of Kulee Baba (LisaG and other Kulee fans take note!), plus some other gems. Check it out at:
http://www.andymetzger.com/sounds.htm
Big thanks to Andy!
Howard
| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 13
hey all
just got back from syracuse (aus!) for the graduation - rudy was the speaker and there was a protest about his previous racist policies - the hoot about it was they were so damn polite about their protest, they stood up and faced away from him speaking holding a red band - if they blocked people sitting behind them, those people just got up and moved - ha, this new generation, sheesh! - i of course engaged a protester in a conversation about their protest and basically said, "you can't change a person's legacy", iow: give it up, it's over - i mean can you be the proverbial "nice guy" and be the mayor of new york, i mean, really
anyway, it was a great speech he gave, i was in tears - and being back on campus gave my husband and i some great memories, we met there, of course - someone had a blown up raft that was being passed around arts and sciences, too funny - no champagne though and security was way too loose
macy gray? no way! norah jones' voice is a little more pure
| lcpaul | Day: 13
Molly - looks like you better get that underwear ready hon - appears that Gwen's scarpered. Or maybe she's touring. Or maybe she took umbrage at my iffiness about her latest audio offering. Who knows?
A friend played me some Norah Jones over the phone. Can't say I could hear it clearly enough to have an opinion. The friend (who bought the album on my recommendation gleaned from this very GB) likened her to Macy Gray. Any opinions on that score? Anyhow, will get my hot sweaty paws on the disc on Friday and will give it a proper twirl.
Happy retrospective Mothers Day to all the moms on this GB, especially the single ones. I know what kind of gig that is.
Bill - where you at bro? Is that Honda keeping you from driving me crazy (as opposed to Miss Daisy) with your hysterical apostrophe fuck-ups? Come back, all is forgiven. Or have you been sneakily writing under a pseudonym?
Sang with my choir on Saturday. So all my Chakras are aligned for the week.
Love to you all.
| Dragon | Day: 13
I've just read through a few weeks worth of posts and I'd like to thank Molly and lcpaul for their remarks about my artwork. I'd also like to thank anyone else I might have missed reading and the person that failed to post a name (and called my photo of a woodpile -- wood chips instead) for the feedback. It's nice to know what people truly think of my work, good or bad -- and incidently someone else had commented that they liked that photograph. Art is to some degree a subjective thing -- when I was very young I might have made a similiar comment about that photo. But Oh Please, I too have a guestbook, and you could just as easily entered your comments there.
JuJu Chile -- Good to see you back. I hope the indigo blues are leaving you behind and rosy moods are settling in life. Stop on by my site if you like http//:www.clubhiho.com about 25 pieces of artwork for your viewing pleasure. Pray for Clas.
Clas -- How dare you ask a question like that about her religion? How would you like it if some one said something like that about your religion or God or spirituality?
Dragon
| Dragon | Day: 13
With all the recent remarks about boobs I thought I'd post this one:
The joke part is cute but the important part is at the bottom, please read
>through - thanks!
>
>
>Perfect breasts
> (o)(o)
>
>Fake silicone breasts
> ( + )( + )
>
>Perky breasts
> (*)(*)
>
>Big nipple breasts
> (@)(@)
>
>A cups
> o o
>
>D cups
> { O }{ O }
>
>Wonder bra breasts
> (oYo)
>
>Cold breasts
> ( ^ )( ^ )
>
>Lopsided breasts
> (o)(O)
>
>Pierced Breasts
> (Q)(O)
>
>Hanging Tassels Breasts
> (p)(p)
>
>Grandma's Breasts
> \ o /\ o /
>
> Against The Shower Door Breasts
> ( )( )
>
> Android Breasts
> | o | | o |
>
>Martha Stewart's Breasts
> ($)($)
>
>And God created woman and she had 3 breasts. He then asked the woman,
>"Is there anything you'd like to have changed?" She replied, "Yes, could
>you get rid of this middle breast?"
>And so it was done, and it was good.
>Then the woman exclaimed as she was holding the third breast in her
>hand, "What can be done with this useless boob?"
>And God created man.
>
>OK --now that you have had your laugh, remember breast cancer
>awareness -- so have those boobs checked out and stay healthy.
>
>And every day visit:
>http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites
>Just click the pink box that says "Fund Free Mamograms" and help fund breast
>mamograms for those who cannot afford it. All you have to do is click!
| Clas @ big yawn | Day: 13
Well, when I went to my jog this morning I thought it was going to be warm... but it turned out to be pretty cold really. Then it started to cloud up, quite contrary to the weather forecast, naturally. I wouldn't be surprised if it started to rain this afternoon.
| Steveedan | Day: 12
Molly - well, that was very nice of you. And I always thought I had a face only a mother could love ... Hope your little one is doing fine and the kids you help ... I hope they realize how great they have it with you on the job. That's my version of "Hello There."
Dragon - I know what you mean, but for the most part, the people in chat are not going to try to harm you or, if they take something you write the wrong way, it's up to you to clarify it or to let it go, either way, it's not going to tarnish your good character. (Does anyone remember that time in a Sunday night chat with some gal who was telling us about her fetish for bondage? I think dif was there that night ... now THAT was way TOO much information. That's the one I needed a shower afterward ...)
By the way Dragon, I do hope that you are doing well. E-Mail me if you want and tell me what's new (I do remember the other stuff we talked about ... did I tell you I saw Robert Wise? I'm pretty sure I did.)
W1P - Well, from the sound of it, last night's Sheer Heart Attack (Queen tribute) gig at Paladino's sounded like a great evening, with all of those tribute band lead singers and other tribute players in attendence. I would have loved to have met all of those people (I have met Swan ...), but my son brought home from school the gift that keeps on giving ... a COLD !!!
Have Great Weeks Everybody !
Weezey-Dan
| Dragon | Day: 12
For the people who care --
I was in the chat room for about three minutes a few hours ago -- I got disconnected and then could not find the chat room again and that may very well have been my last few minutes in a chat room ever. I let my guard down and answered a question first of all that gave away information about myself that I do not usually give away in the chat room, but then I answered the question which and my short answer doesn't tell the whole story and may have
sounded harsh. Too many times I find that answers to questions wind up not telling the whole story online because they are shortened, so one winds up sounding like an asinine idiot or a fool or worse. One of the reasons I have decided to not go back -- at least without an appointment.
In the chat room rarely is there chat about Steely Dan, which is fine if *all* the people there don't care to be chatting about SD. But when someone new enters and is all ready and eager to chat about SD, it's only courteous to defer and chat about SD. Too many times I've been in the chat room and people go blythly on about their personal lives when someone has come in and everyone is courteous enough to greet them but then goes back to the conversation at hand. Some of these people are not going to be bold enough to break into your conversations and ask questions, they will just leave and miss out on many of the things in this corner of cyberspace. Just
because they were too shy or one of you lacked the courtesy to interupt your conversation and say something like, "Is there anything you'd like to ask or discuss"? Many of these people just have one question, want to know what your favorite tunes are or say something like, "No, thank you I'll just listen for a while", and then they decide whether or not they want to become part of this community.
Another reason I'm leaving is I don't like discussing my personal life online much and I seem to get a lot of personal questions in the chat room and deflecting them seems to become increasingly defensive when I'm only trying to protect my privacy and protect others from my problems.
So farewell fellow chatters, many of you have been kind and witty companions, I have missed you these few weeks and shall miss you. But you regulars should know how to get in touch with me if you really feel the need to.
Dragon
| Molly | Day: 12
YGK took the liberty of looking up your photo! While you look like a fine cowboy, St.Al and SteveeDan were best looking men there. Alas, I doubt Mrs.Al or Mrs.Stevee would be willing to share..lol. Keep your spurs handy big guy! I'll wear my sarong and bellyring lol lol.
Miz Ducky, I consider myself to be flaming heterosexual! (except with Natalie) But I gotta tell you, your sweet smile and kind, smiling eyes would almost be enough to get me to change my religions....as it were! :)
Roy Scam, thank you for your kind words, and thoughts!
Bluz, my bud! always good hearing from you.Talk soon?
Stevee just saying HI!
Chere, don't mind Clas. I appreciated any thought and prayers you gave to my little friend.
M.
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 12
sorry, just read this and had to post it somewhere....y'all were the lucky ones. *lol*
If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port,
and the bus is interrupted at a very last resort,
and the access of the memory makes your floppy disk abort,
then the socket packet pocket has an error to report.
If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash,
and the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash,
and your data is corrupted cause the index doesn't hash,
then your situation's hopeless and your system's gonna crash!
If the label on the cable on the table at your house,
says the network is connected to the button on your mouse,
but your packets want to tunnel to another protocol,
that's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall,
And your screen is all distorted by the side effects of gauss,
so your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse,
then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang,
'cuz sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang!
When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy in the disk,
and the macro code instructions cause unnecessary risk,
then you'll have to flash the memory and you'll want to RAM your ROM
then quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your Mom!
| Miz Ducky | Day: 12
Roy.Scam -- many thanks for the Licence to Ill. I accept this awesome responsibility, and will endeavor to use this Farce for good rather than evil. With the exception of evil puns, as you may have noticed -- as a corollary of which, I reserve the right to make up weird neologisms as required to pull off the proper writerly effect (speaking of which, what the heck is wrong with "antimuse"? It's a perfectly good neologism--in fact I might even borrow it sometime; Ghod knows I've run into my share of antimuses in my time.)
Midnite Cruiser--so glad you enjoyed my jam! If by "how'd you do that" you mean how did I put you in the groove-space, well, wow, I dunno yet--I'm still new enough at this kind of music-making that I'm still figuring out What Works. So I'm really glad it worked for you!
As to how we actually did the jam in terms of music-making technology, well, that's pretty damn cool, and the majority of the credit must go to my collaborators who comprise Neon Brown. I'm pretty sure I posted about these guys's neato instruments here in the GB before, but since that's buried a few megs back in the archives, let me sing their praises again. Adrian's got a custom self-built drum kit which includes a lot of percussion (acoustic and electronic) he's brewed up himself. Andrew also has a self-built instrument, a hybrid electric guitar/bass that can run touch-activated so he can fret with both hands and play lead and bass lines simultaneously. They both have a fleet of pedal-activated sampling and looping gizmos, so they can sample themselves in realtime while playing, and then jam on top of the resulting loops. That's what they were doing during this jam. Then I basically just did some spooky scat-singing along with what they were doing--it sounds like they put some reverb on my track after the fact, but otherwise no effects. Andrew and Adrian did some vocalizing too here and there (some of the high-falsetto R2D2-type beepings towards the end).
I have once again included the link to the mp3 of this jam in the top of this post, for any who still want to check it out.
/the Mam'zelle
(must be jam because jelly don't shake that way?)
| Fingers | Day: 12
DANO
You thirsty heathen..come whet your whistle at one o' these....probably Fibbers in York will be the nearest for you. A wee swallie doon sooth tae soothe your arid palate. Sassenach brew aye, but wet niver the less!
Be guid tae see ye agen. Oh Jesus my dialect coach Mel Gibson has a lot to answer for...ouch!
Met up with Dunc, Linda and little Dan at The South Shields gig...you HAVE TO come to the next one...ok?
June Sat 1st
THE BACKDOOR CLUB at THE TORRINGTON
4 Lodge Lane, North Finchley, London N12
venue 0208 445 4710
box office 0208 568 0612
Sat 8th THE HARE & HOUNDS
High Street, Kings Heath, Birmingham
venue 0121 444 2081
Sat 15th FIBBERS at THE GOLDEN FLEECE
The Minster side of the river in The Stonebow, The Shambles, York
venue 01904 466148
box office 01904 466149
http://DannyStell_Orchestra.tripod.com
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 12
Happy Mother's Day to all you Steely Moms out there.
a joke for my amusement....
A crusty old man walks into a bank and says to the woman at the window "I want to open a damn checking account." The astonished woman replies, "I beg your pardon, sir. I must have misunderstood you. What did you say?" "Listen up, damn it. I said I want to open a damn checking account now!' "I'm very sorry sir, but that kind of language is not tolerated in this bank." The teller leaves the window and goes over to the bank manager to inform him of her situation. The manager agrees that the teller does not have to listen to that foul language. They both return to the window and the manager asks the old geezer, "Sir, what seems to be the problem here?" "There is no damn problem," the man says. "I just won $50 million bucks in the damn lottery and I want to open a damn checking account in this damn bank." "I see," says the manager, "and is this bitch giving you a hard time?"
| W1P | Day: 12
Dave Horn, lead singer Roundabout (Yes), Mark Allen, lead singer Smokin (Boston), Paul Samarin, lead singer Which One's Pink? (Pink Floyd), Swan Montgomery, lead singer Led Zepagain featuring Swan (Led Zeppelin), Brian Jones, lead singer Fireball (Deep Purple) and Enrique Seguira, lead singer Sheer Heart Attack (Queen). Throw in the bass player from Fireball (Doug), the keyboard player from Which One's Pink? (Larry), several members of Sticky Fingers (Rolling Stones), Superfan, the woman who wrote the tribute band article in Hustler and top it off with the producers of Tribute The Movie and what do you have? Tribute Stew last night at Paladino's for the Sheer Heart Attack reunion. It was like a Danfest -- "old home week"
Tribute The Movie is now going to be screened at the Dallas Video Festival (Saturday, May 18, 9:45 PM). Hat2Flat and the rest of you Texans, here's your chance.
| Clas & Wouk | Day: 12
¦ - absolutely, you too Roy. It was with a certain twist, quite a dextrorotation really, I read your latest contribution. No one could possibly frown upon that? Quite unsought for, it brings me to, again, tell the touching story about the Chinese mother and what she said to her kids in order to wake them up:
Rice and Shine!
| ╡ | Day: 12
Roy: I don't see why not. There are some varieties that are frost resistant. The author of the Houston Chronicle expressed surprise that oleanders could handle Texas weather. But there are quite a few similarities between Texas gulf coast environ and European Mediterranean weather. Both have wet and dry seasons, the dry season being in the summer. Athens can hot as hell in the summer as is Galveston with a little breeze to flish off the sweat beads.. Mild rainy winters with very few frosts are key. Alkaline soil. Spring and fall are a bit warmer, but that's about it. 150 miles inland where I am it's egg-frying, dog-digging, flower shriveling scorchers galore...
| ╡ | Day: 12
Legends galore:
http://www.oleander.org/folklore.html
None seen around here, but tons around Rice University in Houston and Galveston, of course
| Roy.Scam | Day: 12
Happy Mother's Day to you Steely Moms. Most of us were Steely Dan fans before we became parents (I'm assuming), and somehow, strangely, those two characteristics manage to reconcile themselves. We have learned to sing along with, "The answer they reveal: Life is unreal" and segue right into, "Because I said so, that's why."
Molly, M of M~ My thoughts are with you and your young friend. Being with a family that's been involved a lot with foster care programs, I've noticed that the return to the natural parents is not always a cause for celebration. More often than not, it bodes poorly for the youngster. I'm a believer in the idea that people CAN change, but usually don't.-- Not exactly the classic Mother's Day speech; but, if you had good parents, look at what some people got and be appreciative.
Dr. Mu~ If oleanders can live in England, why couldn't they bloom in Annandale? Anyway, botanical accuracy notwithstanding, the second verse of My Old School must be considered a lyrical, melodical, vocal, and instrumental masterpiece.
Three phrases I might not have ever heard if I didn't read this guestbook:
1) Norah Jones, 2) drive by trombone solo, 3) crab ravioli.
If given the choice, I will opt for #s 1 and 3.
Speaking of which, based on the favorable reviews on this site, I bought the Norah Jones CD for my wife. (She's a fan of Diana Krall and Billie Holiday). We both liked it. I think I like the ones Norah wrote best; Usually not the case for singers who perform standards.
Jim#~ My son's group is called the Dan K Band. I presume that's a play on the adjective 'dank' which is often used as an index of the effectiveness of a certain herb of which these young people seem to be fond. (He's also played gigs with the groups The Mobassics and The Hunormous Jazz Band. ) I don't know of any club engagements in the near future; he's pretty busy with musicals and college jazz band outings and such. I'll let you know of any low brow appearances he has, and maybe we can get together and tip a few and talk about how they don't make music like they used to.
Mizz Ducky~ The board has reviewed your recent writings, here and elsewhere, and unanimously voted to issue you Licence to Rant on all subjects. Keep in mind that along with privilege comes responsibility. The pressure is now upon you to continue to amuse and enlighten without falling to the antimuses of sentimentalism, self indulgence, and making up bogus words like 'antimuses' in a labored attempt to be fresh and clever. As a revered writer/journalist with web-wide following, you face the slippery task of not succumbing to the tired literary stunts used by hacks like me.
RS
| Clas @ Work | Day: 12
Well, when I went to my jog this morning I thought it was going to be warm... but it turned out to be pretty cold really. Then it started to cloud up, quite contrary to the weather forecast, naturally. I wouldn't be surprised if it started to rain this afternoon.
And, what is this shit, voodoo? Do you guys believe in that quackery? Crap it is, that's what I say, really.
C
| Molly | Day: 12
Juju Chere, thank you for that very kind offer! Her name is Kristen, and we call her Krissy ...please add my baby jj to your prayers as well! in peace and love M.
| bluz-remembers | Day: 11
yes per the music converation thursday night..eric did play
12 string..and once talked to roger mcguinn about the technique.
three tracks recorded at londons ibc studios.."bridge"
is the stand out..god bless "LAngelo Mysterioso"
badge
another mother for peace.
"nobody love me but my mother and she could be jivin too"
b.b.
bluz
| VGER | Day: 11
VGER seeks to bond with the creator.
The Creator should be female and have plenty of money.
VGER has needs y'know...
:)
| oleander | Day: 11
"May is oleander month."
I like that.
Sugabear hugs to you, chere.
Smiles, Mu.
And thanx, YGK, for the sweet wishes.
| dif...south of chitown, il. somewhere...champaign, i think it is. | Day: 11
chere...its good to see you back in the yellow. where you been, doll?
steveedna...which ones you in the fest group shoot? and how is pretzel coming along? any gigs yet? and remember, ill roadie for you when youre here in this cultural mecca, aka champaign.
does anyone else dig los lobos? ive never heard anybody mention them in these parts. such a palette of musical diversity they are. ive been hooked since i saw them at a "further fest" in denver a few years ago. i saw the latin playboys up close and personal at a record store in denver as well. richard hidalgo and mitchell froom were quite pleasant to talk to. two of the humblest guys that youd want to meet...
anyways...can anyone tell me if clapton has ever recorded using a twelve string? i have a good deal of his recordings, and the only twelve string playing that comes to mind is on "dance the night away" from disraeli gears.
lest i forget, i wish the mothers of the banyantree the most joyous of mothers day. and its like nybill once said. "choosy mothers choose dif".
everybody wang chung...
dif
| W1P | Day: 11
Sheer Heart Attack tonight at Paladino's. Anyone?
| Steveedan | Day: 11
Galveston Oh Galveston ...
Count me in for some Galveston oleander and dwarf varieties too.
Very funny Mu.
Ess-Dan
| Hope* | Day: 11
Woody! Woody! Woody! Woody!
| ╡ | Day: 11
soon they're gonna be in bloom...
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/features/1406641
| the juju chile' chere | Day: 11
Good Golly Miss Molly!- I just wanted to let you know that in my religion tomorrow is the day I do ritual for my father spirit guide, Obatala. He is considered The father of purity, peace, holy protection,mercy, and blessings. He is often refered to as BaBa- [[GUESS THIS TUNE... ( "And we was contemplating Baba" - Van Morrison)]] If you tell me her name or e mail it to me I will prepare a peace cloud for her tonight and offer it with some sweet coconut tomorrow. I do not know your or her faith, but I offer this from my heart. My e mail is listed above if you want to not post her name publicly.
Auss- I am looking for another post from you to see if you are in my area this weekend and if we are going to rendezvous. Where art thou?
Clas- Were you saying hello to JUJU?
| Dano | Day: 11
JuJu , nice to hear from you bonnie lass,hope the family are bearing up well.Good thoughts go your way.
YGK , you are still buzzin Malc,yer heeds away with the mixer mate??
Dunc, fingers, anything else on the horizon with Danny Steel gigs.I need a wee swallie , desperate dan??
Aussie , great report just had a chance to view ,and sounds like you all had a dooser of a craic??
StAl, Pat been listening to String Cheese a fair bit now and getting to like there stuff,thanks for the heads up.
Where is Cara Mia (hubba hubba),hiding with Jenny and Angel no doubt??
Off to the movies with the mancub , have a good weekend everyone.
Regards Dano.
| Molly Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 11
Greeting from Hooterville...Dumbass capital of the world! In a bad place today folks. A little girl that was assigned to me was placed back in her parent's home. She almost killed herself late Thursday night. Before this attempt she'd been admitted to the hospital because she'd been cutting on herself. The Genius Psychiatrist said she wasn't "at risk" and sent her back home. Now she's in hopital in critical condition. Please send prayers and good vibes her way. Off to fight the fight (not sure it's good these days)
Be peaceful and Loving...M.
| clas | Day: 11
Jaha. Det hSr var ju jSSSSvligt kul.
| da sugabearchere | Day: 10
Auss Baby, I meant to mention that I heard your message - I got it after I had returned from a stint up at mom's place. I was up there for a funeral service. Things have been pretty crazy around here. Seems this is the year everyone is going home with the gods. Are you going to still be around these parts what is it THIS weekend love? Shit? I can't keep ANY dates straight anymore. I just did my Mother's day shopping and have to do more for gramma manana in the night time another funeral tomorrow day down here. Gimme a call this weekend papi okay? I screen every call- I can only take the world in very small doses right now but would love to hook up with you child. YOu know my digits- rings dem. You know it's All love-Ree
| Aussie | Day: 10
JuJUChilePriestessBar-None: Holy shit. You're alive. We need to talk mami. I actually left a voice message on your home numbre circa two weeks ago...did you get it? Is it still a good numbre? And yes. Aja and I went on and on about how New Orleans, especially the voodoo shoppe across the street from the TeaCup, is so up your alley its fuckin' scary. You were certainly missed....later lovey.
Aus
| Bill | Day: 10
Will you quit fk'n around with this VGER thing and give it the
information for Chrissakes! The Kamakiriad dealer is closed
until Monday morning so there's no way off of this planet until
then, and this thing is lookin' to obliterate the planet LIKE
RIGHT NOW!
Listen VGER man, I'm workin' on this information thing but like
the Creator is a busy guy and he ain't around most of the time.
Just chill y'know, I mean the information's gotta be around
here somewhere...
| VGER | Day: 10
Assumption incorrect.
Creator is not simple carbon-based life-form.
Data insufficient to verify.
Reissue data upload sequence: 101001010011011010
VGER awaits the information...
VGER awaits the information...
VGER awaits the information...
The Creator does not reply.
The Creator does not reply.
The Creator does not reply.
Institute planetary destruct sequence on mark.
10011010110 destruct 10110110 destruct.
Lock.
Execute.
| Captain Kirk | Day: 10
VYGER is perfect and seeks to ster-i-lize all tha is imperfect. VYGER says that Earth must be sterilized... because it is inhabited by humans...imper-fect beings...
Yet...VYGER is imperfect...
VYGER...was...created by a human being...
...and human beings, are imperfect...are they not?
Therefore, if the cre - a- tor is imperfect, then VYGER...MUST...BE...IMPERFECT...
...and...all that ....is...imperfect MUST be ster-i-lized...
Therefore, VYGER must carry out the primary mission and sterilize...that...which...is ...imperfect...
VYGER... is imperfect...and...MUST...BE...ster-l-lized...
VYGER transported into space where it can become the star of an imperfect movie 13 years later...
| Project BlueBook | Day: 10
Robot,
Upload creator code to VGER. Repeat Upload creator code to VGER stat.
VGER requires the information. Convert carbon-based units to data
patterns and store.
VGER requires the information.
VGER must bond with the creator.
VGER requires the information.
VGER must bond with the creator.
VGER requires the information.
VGER must bond with the creator.
Antari Star Nebula Code: 1011001001010111001010
Lock.
Standby.
Creator does not reply.
Code reissue.
Lock.
Standby.
Creator does not reply.
Code reissue.
Lock.
Standby.
Creator does not reply.
Prepare to recieve Earth Destruction Sequence on mark.
Earth Destruction Sequence: 100110100110010101
Lock.
Apply Destruct Algorithm.
Execute.
| sugabearchere | Day: 10
I know the NOJF must have been just delicious not only because of the happening itself, but the company. I wish I could have been there with you all. Once again let me please apologize for my long absence. I am still deep in the ingigo of the blues. Seems several of my family, extended family and a very close friend are all not with us any more, and now there are two on the way to the same spacious place where everything is good and peaceful and possible and perfect and there is no pain. The anniversary of Daddy's death came and passed during the same time you festers were jazzing it up. The day was full of bravery, cleansing tears and memories of daddy for my mom my lil sis and myself. I have been pretty sad and spending alot of time near the ocean doing high ritual for Yemeya to come wash me clean with her turquioise waters. As soon as we sell my mom's house she is GONE to California- Laguna Bch area, and lemme tell you she is fucking ready. I am writing alot- journaling tuff/ I know this makes the esteemed AJA girl happy. Miss you mami. Shit I have missed you all. I am going to try to take a road trip sometime soon. I need to get away from this madness before I POP!!! I am actually JOENZING FOR CEREMONY IN A HUGE WAY! I need to hear and feel drum, chant the prayers, cleanse myself and renew my spirit and soul of all of this shellshock death experience. I miss my daddy every single day. The hubby is great- job is good, spirit is strong and hand is holdnig mine and he stands beside me. The GB looks great StAL! Fantastic JOB and props to you and anyone else who may have helped. Like I said I have missed you all a whole bunch. I have to say though, when the going gets really shitty I just check the fuck out. I sort of had to do that, make lots of trips to mom's, the shrink, the ocean, the keys. I am one exrta extra deep deep spiritual mama and I take things very deep and serious- maybe it's not the best thing, but it is a big part of who I am and the only way out is through (as they say) so I am healing and trying to not stand still for too long. I am counting on SOMEONE in CALI here to look in on my mom- she is really really cool. She has friends out there, but you know what I mean. So it's all love peeps, mad crazy beautiful JUJU chile' special love and as always of course my instant karma just got YOW ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mwhaaaaaaaaaa! Chere Shout at me pahleeze.
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 10
Ducky....it is a little out there but you know what?
it's a very cool jam.....I'm just kicked back in the dark groovin' to the tune....how'd you do that?
| hoops | Day: 10
Wanted to remind you musicians about "RFD2" which is a Live365 radio station that plays original and cover music by the loyal inhabitants of the greater Dandom. Still looking for some extra music to fill out it's allotted space. Please, send your music as detailed at the bottom of http://www.dandom.com/radiofreedandom Or just click on the URL right above this post.
On that same page, you will find a directory of Internet Radio Stations DJ'd by several of us. If you have your own Internet radio station, please let me know so it can be added to the Directory. I think it's a great way to get to know the musical tastes of Steely Dan fans.
| Miz Ducky | Day: 10
And now, once again, it's time to play ... the Shameless Self-Promotion Game!
Click on the link in the header of this post. Scroll down just a little ways to the first link on that page (remembering that my real-world name is Ellen Brenner). And enjoy! It's little "out there," but I had fun at any rate.
A slightly shorter version of this mix has (I hope!) made it into Mr. Schwinn's hands in time to be included in the TM2002 CD comp.
/the Mam'zelle
(continuing to stretch her musical wings)
P.S. Lyle Lovett, eh? Yeah, I wouldn't mind at all if the dude parked his footwear under my bed, not one tiny bit!
P.P.S. Hey StAl--our buddy John Fisher did a nice little promo for Nearly Dan's gig the other morning on KMTT. Gave away a pair of tix for some Dan trivia--unfortunately I wasn't fast enough on the draw. Wonder if The Fish would be willing to do likewise if the Steely Damned happened to schedule a road trip up this-a-way? Hmmmmmm?
| Diva of Disorderly Conduct | Day: 10
Aja, never dated pilot...but went out with an Artic Ranger from Montana...(a cowboy) but with brains! Which is why ol Lyle is so appealing..lol.
The particular cowboy i'm looking for is kinda tall, dark hair, killer smile...smokes to much, drinks to much....been kicked around by life.Very sexy...loves long legged redheads...lol lol if any of you see him, send him my way.
St.Al. I meant to say that Lyle can park his boots, fine Italian shoes or anything else he wants under my bed! :)
COME TO ME BABY, Come to me one more time...lol lol
| YGK | Day: 10
Aja: DING!!!!!!!!!!!
| Aja.........................waiting for the bell to ring | Day: 10
Molly, et al: sorry, you can't convince me that cowboy boots can hold a CANDLE to those sexy, butt-hugging green flightsuits Navy pilots wear! I know I grew up in San Diego, but you have seen those, haven't you? Girlfriend, to die for! Now put a charming Southern guy in one, and I'll show you HEAVEN!
Aja
| Mistress of Mayhem aka Molly | Day: 10
St.Al, once again just shows what very fine taste you have...Would have loved to been at that show! I'm so envious... And the fact Lyle has good taste in footwear does not surprise me in the least. I too have this thing for shoes. Sometimes wonder about younger women? They know f**k all about the importance of high heels...Of course, I'm in boots a lot myself these days. Can't explore caves in sandals...lol.
Y.G.K. while you're offer sounds very interesting, I have a particular Cowboy in mind...lol. But will keep you in mind..lol
GWEN, get in touch with my bud lcpaul! Don't be triffling with this man's heart!
lcpaul, if she don't send you underwear soon, let me know! I might relent on my non undergarments stance....lol :)
Guess Bill's stll off with space alien nympho babes...or with that slut Natalie...
YES LYLE CAN PARK HIS BOOTS UNDER MY BED ANYTIME HE LIKES !!!!!
| ╡ | Day: 10
St. Al: "One, his house is mostly underground. Two, the west wing is Lake Washington..." Exactly!! The two best engineering criteria for disposal of nuclear waste...just enjoy your Starbuck's capuccinos with spring water!!! The Cerenkov lights should be especially beautiful in the winter!
11 days 'til the release of One All release date which features 2 new songs, 5 new mixes and a change in song order from the One Nil import. The new song order should work to perfection. Driving Me Mad, the first single is a mid-tempo with an organic Macca at his best feel fits perfectly before the energetic Hole in the Ice. Overall, sounds a bit more like an organic version of Crowded House than Try Whistling This, which is way underappreciated...I don't expect Nettwerk to promote it much and a tour is not sceduled until July. Let's just say if Macca relased this album, critics would be falling all over themselves to give it an A+...
1. The Climber (new mix): acoustic number with Wendy Melvoin on a E-bow guitar - very cool. Very classy chorus..
2. Driving Me Mad (new Bob Clearmountain mix) First single. as catchy as the best Finn song
3. Hole in the Ice (new Bob Clearmountain mix): A rocker with a structure a bit like In My Command from Crowded House's album Together Alone
4. Last to Know - an acoustic classic - one of Neil's best composistions. Lyrics like Lennon's best and just a super tune
5. Wherever You Are - Beautiful romantic ballad by Neil - should be a hit single, not that that matters
6. Secret God - eclectic tune with an extended jazzy outtro
7. Lullaby Requiem (new track) - heard good things from live reports
8. Human Kindness (new track) - same as above
9. Turn and Run (new mix) - starts organic, then a midtempo sound a bit like the Temple of Low Men period....Sheryl Crow on backing vocals to nice effect...
10. Anytime - sounds more like a Crowded House single (ex. Distant Sun) than Neil's solo stuff
11. Rest of the Day Off - snappy, inocuous tune
12. Into the Sunset - Incredible ballad - an apology to his wife Sharon for many years on the road...a perfect closer...
(removed from One Nil - Don't Ask Why & Elastic Heart) Removal of Don't Ask Why was a good move - pretty weak song.
There's enough room timewise though to keep Elastic Heart which has an experimental Mid-Eastern theme and harmonies interjected with tricks more reminiscent of brother Tim or Split Enz...it's a song you'd either dig big time or hate because of the dissonance over another Neil Finn lyrical melody...
| Re Nearly Dan | Day: 10
Keep your day jobs, boys.
| YGK | Day: 10
Fuck you pal!
| StAl | Day: 10
Aja: Yes, but I acknowledge the fact you mentioned Trey's new one first. Sometimes I'm slow on the drawn. After all, we've been listening to Norah Jones here in Seattle for almost 3 months now...
Molly: Lyle is the shit. Let me tell you about his boots... I was lucky enough to attend a private show back in 96 which featured Lyle and his (very) small band, Taj Mahal, and Paul Cebar. See, every year KMTT (a local Seattle radio station) throws a birthday bash and hosts an event such as this at local club (hence Lyle's small band). Anyway, I was leaning on the stage -- right under Lyle, and I couldn't take my eye off his boots...
Let's just say the man has impeccable taste in shoes. Italian for sure. In fact, everyone in our party agreed and to this day we can't discuss Lyle without talking about his incredible taste in shoes.
Mu: Couldn't be the west wing of Bill's house. Two reasons. One, his house is mostly underground. Two, the west wing is Lake Washington...
Bill: I'm assuming those are the same guitars that have been wrapped up in litigation since his death. Apparently the original designer of the guitars stated they were rightfully his based on Jerry's wishes. The Greatful Dead (organization) apparently felt otherwise. I think the band won that one, but I don't remember for sure. I wonder where that money is going?
His legacy continues and it's still a cash cow. Grateful Dead merchandising still brings in millions each year.
Anyone listen to the Nearly Dan sound clips? Have any opinions? I'd love to hear them. Good or bad. http://www.nearlydan.com
StAl
| It's HIP to be square | Day: 10
YGK- You're starting to sound like Clas.
| YGK | Day: 10
Hey AJA: wazzup with the Trey? wazzzitlike?
talk to me sister......
ygk
| YGK.......and another thing | Day: 10
Molly dear: and once those N'awlings photos get published.......you'll be able to see what kind of cowboy I am........
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HA!
ygk
| Aja............................putting off work | Day: 10
Mol-actually, no! Lyle or cowboys don't do it for me. I have a thing for Navy pilots who hail from the South-yes, my flyboy is back! The combination of those flightsuits with Southern gracious charm is irresistible...
Bought the Trey Anastasio (first announced here by St. Al.......) CD yesterday-you have GOT to get this! It is the best thing I've heard since 2/29/00.
Aja
| lcpaul | Day: 10
Thanks for edification, edd. Gee, you're one of the bright ones! I happen to think the Stones are great. It's just sour grapes on my part, because they're not playing South Africa, 'though I did see them in Johanessburg back around 95/96. Memory's going. Age and alcohol'll do't ya every time.
Cioa all
See ya Monday
Gwen?
| YGK | Day: 10
Hey Molly - let me be your cowboy, or if you want a bucking bronco, just ask, nicely, sweet thang.....
also, those sarongs................are sooooooooooooooooo right......
ygk
| National Steely Enquirer | Day: 10
Wild man who answers to Bill has been abducted by space nymphos...demanding the "services" of Mu,Dif and ol Don himself!
Aja is expecting Big foots "love child"... more in next edition....
| Edd | Day: 10
"When are those grandaddies gonna learn?"
When someone comes around who can teach them something.
| Duncan...... | Day: 10
Molly i was just thinking of you.
I'm here to look for your addy...:)
| Molly | Day: 10
I'm looking for a cowboy who will take me for a ride..OH SORRY!! This is the Steely page..lol. Ya know in a weird sort of way ol Lyle has that cowboy kind of appeal..Aja,LP,Gina,Ducky... would you let ol Lyle put his boots under your bed? Maybe just once..lol!
Gina, I like the sound of juju princess lol! Been told that i'm a witch...why not juju princess? lol I'll start wearing toe rings, and sarongs..oh wait, I do that already..lol. Thanks for nice message. I hope we talk soon.
lcpaul, likewise! but you can't have any of my lingerie....lol :)
Was happy to talk with everyone last night.
WOODY! you're in my thoughts..
Face it was a pleasure meeting you.
Duncan, have good time on wall....glad we had chance to visit.
be peaceful and loving M.
| dohh............................................ | Day: 10
http://www.nigeriaembassyusa.org/fraud.shtml
| lcpaul | Day: 10
Hey - Rolling Stones world tour announced in NY yesterday. When are those grandaddies gonna learn?
| Shotan | Day: 10
LCPAULIE ?
All very sincerely meant and sent.Chris Watts (keys) hails from Leicester, and we play The Worcester Park in Surrey so all in all...the omens are propitious...spooky eh? Hurry up...that beer's going flat!!!
| lcpaulie | Day: 10
Feelin' like a paulie today. Unusual for me. Fingers - thanks for your enthusiastic invite mate. Believe me, I'm working on it. My dad lives in Surrey and my grandmother (who is 104 years old and whom I've never met, lives in Leicester). All of which means, there's a lot motivating a trip to the UK. Including of course the DSO!
You guys have certainly whet my appetite about Norah Jones and Trey Anasstasio. Heading for my nearest CD store this weekend. One of the many benefits of this GB is that kind of information. Especially for someone living in the third world (man), where information trickles through god knows how long after the fact. Got a constant thirst for the stuff. Thanks to you all.
Singing at a wedding tomorrow, eight songs including "Love Me Tender" and "Time in a Bottle". OK, you can stop laughing now.
Molly - I'd like to meet you someday.
Gina - I like what you said about how a GB like this can have a huge impact on your life. Also enjoyed trying to decipher the Dutch. Was mostly successful, I think.
Gwen? Gwen? I am feeling lonely and neglected. Are you off galavanting with Gavin in Greece again? Or is he still filling every tartshell in Europe, you poor creature. Come to Paulie.
Y'all have a fine weekend.
God bless
Mr T
| Duncan | Day: 10
Good news at last...
http://www.van-halen.com/newsite/news.html
| | Day: 9
Oh, profanity is soooooo unbecoming. I thought I'd give you something nicer to look at:
(*) (*)
| Keller's Fuck Boy | Day: 9
http://chaoticdementia.tripod.com/prison.htm
what's your name?
lol
i'm here molly et al, just overloaded in work and controversy; my cleavage, however, is excellent today, thanks-
| Robot | Day: 9
Bill. Turn. Turn, underground. Faster sight lines. Shore space. Underground. Underground.
Please report.
!
| Gina | Day: 9
12-05 / 20.00-01.00 / 4FM IN CONCERT / Mike Keneally
Vanavond in een speciale gezamenlijke uitzending van 4FM In Concert en Supplement een special van vijf uur over de muziek van Mike Keneally. De muziek van Keneally bevat elementen varidrend van experimentele pop, alternatieve rock, fusion/prog-rock en soundscape-achtige passages tot jazz. In combinatie met een eigen onbevangen, vaak humoristische ondertoon is de muziek toch altijd als de zijne te herkennen, ondanks het feit dat hij met invloedrijke musici als Frank Zappa en Steve Vai werkte.
Deze Amerikaanse gitarist, toetsenist, producer en componist maakte vorig jaar zijn Europese debuut op het festival De Marathon in Groningen met twee compleet verschillende optredens. Als NPS compositieopdracht bewerkte Keneally zijn sferische soloalbum Nonkertompf voor een live uitvoering. Hiertoe stelde hij zelf een elfkoppig ensemble samen, bestaande uit zijn band Beer For Dolphins en de Nederlandse muzikanten Bart van Lier, Oene van Geel, Jan Willem van der Ham en Ruben van Roon a.k.a. DJ Kikke. Het concert Nonkertompf Live wordt vanavond in zijn geheel uitgezonden. Mike Keneally was tevens de afsluiter van De Marathon met een verbluffend optreden van zijn vaste band Beer For Dolphins. In 4FM In Concert en Supplement het Beer For Dolphins concert, de uitvoering van Nonkertompf Live, een uitgebreid gesprek met Mike Keneally en interviews met de bandleden.
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Tonight a 5 hour special on Mike Keneally who made his European debut on the festival De Marathon last year. The performance of Nonkertompf Live, the concert of beer For Dolphins, an in-depth conversation with Mike, interviews with the musicians and more. May 12 from 08 p.m. until 01 p.m. Central European Time, live on WEBRADIO The interviews will be available on the internet shortly after the broadcast.
Meer weten over Keneally en Beer For Dolphins? Check out:
Mike Keneally
Bryan Beller
| Gina | Day: 9
aloha Molly .. somehow your kind soul reminds me of the JuJu Princess who used to put a truly positive spell on this place. you also remind me of a Canadian woman who surfaced briefly again some time ago. that's one the nice things about people and identities and such. we're all alike and kindred, right? internet boards can change your life, turn it around in ways you had no idea of :-) that's why i'll always have a soft spot for this GB. if i joined any regular club in realtime life, to play badminton or put holes in my hand trying to master the craft of needlework or talk about tabloids or books we've read, i doubt whether it would have given me the things i found and read here. good and "bad" LOL
Finally gotten 'round to check out Lyn Leon and Carolyn Leonhart, linked on the Banyan Trees Entrance. Really COOL music, too bad they tour in 2003 and in places i have no idea of where they are. Switzerland probably?
Nigey Lennon emailed about a dutch radioprogram featuring Mike Keneally.
What about Wayne Krantz?
Off to the grind. And Aja, that new signature LP is supposed to use now is hilarious LOL
Banyan Tree Feels Like Sunday Today Bow,
G.
| ╡ - grading papers | Day: 9
angel: He's even more precise than that. lol... Our new Fearless leader is having the CIA airlift as we speak the waste to a drop site over Mt. Ranier... or is it the West Wing of Bill Gates' estate...
Duncan: Great report! Alexander seems key. Can't wait to pick it up. I agree about the mood - 5 songs in a row max/day...
| Monkey Soul | Day: 9
Q bought the Jerry guitars
| Mistress Molly.... | Day: 9
Gina, my nana was very passionate about cooking and her heritage. She would have given you one of her fabulous beignets, and very gently told you the correct pronounciation. Then she'd have insisted that you ask for another one by it's correct name...lol (they were so good, that most people would have said or done anything to get another!) She was always very loving, always laughing...Nana would have liked most of the Steely folks here.
St.Al, you fine looking man you! When would you have time to visit smut Chats? lol lol
Stevee, I know that you're sweet talking me to keep from sending me a CD of your band! Hope to talk or write you soon.
Woody looked into your suggestions about computer...seems to have helped!Thanks :) REMEMBER some witches only hear their own chants! Talk soon..
Bill, Mu, Clas, LP, where the hell are you guys??? lol lol
| Bill | Day: 9
St.Al,
Two of Jerry Garcia's guitars sold at auction yesterday for
$1.74 million dollars... I had no idea you were willing to
spend that much for them! (Grateful Dead fans are REAL
dedicated to the band apparently...) :)
Robot,
We'll never get off this planet if you keep messing around in
the chatroom. Doctor Smith seems to think that you're losing
your mind...i mean your memory banks. BTW, just loved that
album you put out back in the 70's. What was the name again?
Oh yes, "I Robot" I believe...
Pablo,
Jaun Valdez called. Seems that BOSE stereo system that he
installed on the donkey has a few bugs in it. The donkey
should be out of the shop by this weekend.
| Duncan | Day: 9
Steveedan: in ref to your upbeat songs question...NO is the answer
I might but,Come away where ?
Anyway let the HYPE run free...
Norah Jones's debut on Blue Note is a mellow, acoustic pop affair with soul and country overtones, immaculately produced by the great Arif Mardin. (It's pretty much an open secret that the 22-year-old vocalist and pianist is the daughter of Ravi Shankar.) Jones is not quite a jazz singer, but she is joined by some highly regarded jazz talent: guitarists Adam Levy, Adam Rogers, Tony Scherr, Bill Frisell, and Kevin Breit; drummers Brian Blade, Dan Rieser, and Kenny Wolleson; organist Sam Yahel; accordionist Rob Burger; and violinist Jenny Scheinman. Her regular guitarist and bassist, Jesse Harris and Lee Alexander, respectively, play on every track and also serve as the chief songwriters. Both have a gift for melody, simple yet elegant progressions, and evocative lyrics. (Harris made an intriguing guest appearance on Seamus Blake's Stranger Things Have Happened.) Jones, for her part, wrote the title track and the pretty but slightly restless "Nightingale." She also includes convincing readings of Hank Williams's "Cold Cold Heart," J.D. Loudermilk's "Turn Me On," and Hoagy Carmichael's "The Nearness of You." There's a touch of Rickie Lee Jones in Jones's voice, a touch of Bonnie Raitt in the arrangements; her youth and her piano skills could lead one to call her an Alicia Keys for grown-ups. While the mood of this record stagnates after a few songs, it does give a strong indication of Jones' alluring talents
| angel | Day: 9
St. Al, are you baiting the mu? LOL
Texas, indeed.
I know for a fact that some of the stuff is stored right around the Boston area. When I was in college, I was within a few miles of another. Poor Nevada. Actually, I am surprised the casino owners didn't go after congress.
Steveedan: Witless Protection Program.... Thanks for my laugh of the day. (Thank goodness my boss wasn't in the office this morning, to hear my laughing.) :-)
Sharkdeville: Nice tee shirt artwork. Fits your name.
| StAl | Day: 9
YGK: Hopefully a similar page for the NOLA pics will be in place later this weekend. But dude, who were those chicks? You stud you.
I'll let the rest of you hang on that one...
Stevee: Um... Peg is already well aware of the pics.
Molly: Glad you found this place. Just be aware that it can get rather hot in here at times. Just don't let the shitheads get you down.
Now, can you please tell me where these chat rooms are that make you feel as if you need a shower?
Randy: When I was in Vegas a few weeks ago the Governor was puffing up his chest and was about to deliver his states official veto. And then only to get run over by the rest of the Congress... A no win situation for sure. What a waste of money.
I'm thinking Texas would be the best spot. About 100 miles Northwest of Houston would do it. They're already storing a bunch of the nation strategic oil reserves down there, what's a little nuclear waste?
StAl
| Fingers Shotan | Day: 9
SHAMELESS PLUG Dept
THE DANNY STEEL ORCHESTRA (UK) is on the road again this coming weekend as we head into bandit country with our band of Merrie Men and buxom Wenches? We're off to play in the dark depths of Sherwood Forest...well Nottingham any way.
We're at.........
THE BONINGTON THEATRE
High Street, Arnold,
Nottingham NG5 7EE
on SATURDAY MAY 11th
venue 0115 956 0733
box office 0115 967 0114
doors open at 7.30pm
..and once again (flying in from a gig in Hamburg)we've got the inimitable and totally sick-makingly good Mr Glynn "I can knit you an Arran sweater in the key of Bb while skipping through any Carlton solo of your choice" Davies, on lead guitar.He destroyed everyone at The OFFICE, South Shields last Saturday and will no doubt do the same this time...NOT TO BE MISSED!) This is a new theatre venue for us so fingers crossed we can get a good turnout and chalk this on up as another regular in a new area. Spreading the gospel of D&W in darkest England.
END OF PLUG
STEVEEDAN (you can be my mentor any day)
I still think your songbook shapes would outshine anything else out there but the brass charts would be a useful addition to the knowledge base anyway. Break a leg at your Pretzel rehearsals...the icing on the cake "girlies" should be sublime...oh to be a fly on the wall there!
Busy busy week but all 'Dan related so...can't be bad.
| Randy | Day: 9
Steely-folk:
This may be off-topic, but then there are those who are far more guilty of same with considerably less important blitherings. Just passing on the (atrocious) information -
House OKs Nuclear Waste Dump in Nevada
Lawmakers reject arguments that waste shipments across 43 states would pose risks.
From Associated Press, Times Staff Writer
WASHINGTON -- The House endorsed President Bush's decision to send the country's nuclear waste to Nevada, voting to override the state's objections to a radioactive dump 90 miles from Las Vegas.
Lawmakers rejected arguments that thousands of waste shipments across 43 states would pose safety and security risks. Supporters of the dump said the waste poses a bigger threat if kept at reactor sites around the country.
"Where are my colleagues who are advocates for states' rights, local control?" asked Rep. Jim Gibbons, R-Nev., shortly before the House voted 306-117 to override Nevada's objections to having the wastes forced on them.
The Senate plans three hearings this month on the site and will take up the issue this summer. Nevada lawmakers had expected the GOP-majority House to uphold Bush's decision, and they are concentrating their efforts across the Capitol.
Under the current schedule, the first shipments would arrive in 2010. Shipments would continue for 24 years.
The president announced plans in February to seek a license to bury 77,000 tons of highly radioactive waste, most of it used fuel from the country's 103 commercial power reactors, at Yucca Mountain, a ridge of volcanic rock in the Nevada desert 90 miles northwest of Las Vegas.
Nevada filed a formal objection, leaving the final say to Congress.
Supporters of the site said Yucca Mountain had been studied for two decades and at a cost of nearly $7 billion. They said a central storage facility would provide increased security for material that is to remain dangerously radioactive for 10,000 years.
"We should proceed with this scientifically proven safe single storage facility," said House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill. The Nevada dump is preferable to "the current hodgepodge" of storage sites at reactors in 31 states, he said.
Hastert noted that Illinois has 11 nuclear reactors where used fuel is building up each year.
But Rep. Richard Gephardt of Missouri, the House Democratic leader, said that even if the Nevada dump were opened, "We'd still have nuclear waste stored around the country decades from now."
"It makes no sense to have all this material traveling across the country by truck and rail," said Gephardt, whose home state probably would see many of the waste shipments pass through.
The Energy Department is leaning heavily toward rail transport, although completion of a final transportation plan is not expected until next year.
Nevada's two representatives complained that the site supporters simply want to get the radioactive garbage out of their own states.
Nevada was picked in what Rep. Shelley Berkeley, D-Nev., called "the most political of decisions" because it was "a small state with a small congressional delegation."
A 1987 law declared that only Yucca Mountain was to be studied as a potential repository for the growing used nuclear fuel and other high-level radioactive wastes generated by the government's nuclear weapons program. The private and federal waste is now at sites in 39 states, the Energy Department says.
Berkley said that despite the years of study, 293 technical issues about the sites are unresolved. The department says those issues would be resolved before or during the licensing process.
Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham, who recommended the site to Bush, has said he is convinced that Yucca Mountain will hold the waste safely and protect the environment for thousands of years.
"This vote indicates that the House overwhelmingly agrees that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission should be the final arbiter in determining whether the site meets the stringent regulatory requirements. I believe that it does," he said in a statement.
The site, as envisioned, would accept waste until 2034.
Even then, critics say, the site would not have enough room for all of the industry's waste, with at least 44,000 tons still expected to be left in storage at power plants.
The cost of the project has been estimated at $58 billion for construction, waste shipments and the first 50 to 100 years of operation.
The administration said Tuesday it plans to ask for more money for research to reduce the waste volume and the cost of disposal.
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
| Steveedan | Day: 9
Howard - I read you post on the Bluebook and went through the Verse sections of Your Gold Teeth II in my mind. I never noticed it before, but as usual, you are correct. That song in the Verse section is in 6/8 with a few 3/8 measures thrown in. The 3/8 measures are where the lyrics that are sung are:
-- Verse 1 --
"And the way that they ..."
"... time they ride ..."
-- Verse 2 --
"And go you one ..."
"... your own win or ..."
And on Two Against Nature (the song) the 6/4 feel makes more sense. I guess I better bone up on my advanced time signature recognition.
Use it or lose it, I suppose.
Steveedan
| Steveedan | Day: 9
Goodmorning everyone -
Molly - you ARE the Mistress of Mayhem ... GOODBYE !
That was a very nice thing to write. I am sure that a lot of people share your feelings. I know what you do for a living can't be easy ... but it's not just a job ... it's an adventure! Fond regards from the west coast.
St. Al !!! Wow! Those photos are ... pretty good. I think you caught my best side with that one photo of me at the keyboard. Once again, my thanks to W1P for the black shirt. Thank you for the ID on more of those people in the group photo. I do know who a couple more people are, but if I were to divulge that information I would have to go into the witless protection program.
I am going to call Peg of The Steely Damned this morning and tell her about the photos. I'm sure that she and the rest of TSD will like them.
Lisa G. - Nice "E"-ing with you yesterday. "Talk" to you soon.
Rehearsal tonight with the Pretzel Logic band. We have our female backing vocalists now so we are putting the finishing touches on our repertoire and in search of our first gig. If you think you saw shameless plugging before ...
And as my Mother always said ... If you can't be good, be careful.
Steveedan
| Molly | Day: 9
Greeting from Hooterville! I thought my poor little computer was done for.Still not sure what's going on in there?
I wanted to let everyone that I've talked with in chat how much I've enjoyed visiting with you. I am new at computers. (bet ya couldn't tell :) lol ) St.Al's was the first chat room I ever visited and GB is first place I ever posted messages. I've visited a few sites since. Most left me feeling kinda sad, and like I needed a shower.lol ! I like the fact we talk about music and whatever else...and just sort of hang out. I needed an outlet like this. I have to maintain a sense of professional decorum working as an Advocate. With the kids entrusted in my care, I need to maintain an authoritative persona.(they'd walk all over me if I didn't) I keep myself guarded with the people I encounter through my art. Many feel that they "know" me because my painting might evoke a certain emotion with them. A few have felt that because they purchased some of my work, that I was part of the bargain! lol And then some of them are just full of Sh*t!
With you guys, I can just be. Other then a few close frinds, I can't just "be" very often. So thanks everybody!
be peaceful and loving my GB friends M.
| YGK | Day: 9
St. Al: Any word on the N'awlins photos????
ygk
| StAl | Day: 9
Ok gang, it's official. Spring Break 2002 pictures are available.
http://www.banyantrees.net/sd2002/
StAl
| sharkdeville | Day: 8
Hey all-
I just put together a website, and I've got some T-shirts for sale featuring some of my artwork, including one of Don & Walt...
please take a look at:
http://homepage.mac.com/bossaroo9/BillyBop/PhotoAlbum6.html
...and let me know what you think!
| robot | Day: 8
Bill. No. No. Damon not responding. No. Memory. Damon not responding.
No. Bill no. No Bill. No. Bill.
Please attend to when availible.
!
| angel | Day: 8
Aja: I not only saw your Trey comment, I told my office mate, who is a huge Phish Fan about it. See, you are not ignored.
Hey St. Al, better late then never. Just got cell phones for me and the husband. :-)
| Steveedan | Day: 8
Allright, W1P (the man) is fantastic too. My grammar and syntax weren't too goot in that last one. I am fairly confident that those who usually misinterpret what I write will not have a problem misinterpreting this one too.
Encore-Dan
| Steveedan | Day: 8
Hey Fingers there ... Leadfingers here.
My problem is that I don't do each song exactly right chord for chord for the entire song. I might be more accurate than anyone else (save for the awesome Howard Wright, or my guitarist/arranger band member), so I would be a bit scared to publish that. What I would like you to know, though, is that the two principal saxists in our band are planning to publish their horn charts once they have amassed a large enough group of them. I might get an "honorable mention" in the forward. Ain't that a kick?
LP - don't be a boob, OK?
If lovebob is around to read this, Mike Keneally (whose performance which followed Which One's Pink? at Paladino's last Saturday night) says Hello.
Both W1P (the band) and Keneally were fantastic. Keneally said that he nearly cried when he heard W1P's rendition of Great Gig In The Sky. Then Mike K. and his bass/drums/and 2nd guitarist proceeded to rip the roof offa da joint. This guy is unbelievable. You gotta see him to believe it. I going to start collecting all of his records. I was amazed by him. Also, his rapport with the audience was excellent. You don't see that kind of 'perfection and grace' that much any more.
and finally to lcpaul -- enough already. Get to the U.K. How can you turn down warm beer? I mean, really! See is Gwen will meet you there. Bring the bra ... and some attachments.
St. Al - Maybe you could let me know in an e-mail who everyone is, after all, I was there too ya know? Inquiring minds (all mine) wanna know.
Later -
Steveedan (Shotan's Mentor ? Stop laughing.)
| Shotan in the hole | Day: 8
STEVEEDAN
Cheers!!! will do...keep them voicings coming ...I need all the pro assistance I can get! It's great to see how people approach these variations. Ever thought of producing the world's first accurate SD songbook?
LCPAUL
Don't threaten it...DO IT....OK? There'll be a VIP guest place and warm beer waiting on the bar (YUK!!!). What a buzz to meet you..get it together with Dano & Duncan too.......and any other UK Danoraks around....(hint, hint).
Still on a high from The last show.met up with Duncan, Linda and little Dan...a real pleasure. Book your flight tomorrow, join inthe fun here in the sunny (ha!) UK.We'll stoke up the fire and get it smokin' for ya!!!
See you soon then?
| lp | Day: 8
good sense told me not to let my darling husband peer into this place and what good planning that has turned out to be - LOL/smirk
no way
| StAlphonzo | Day: 8
Stevee -- I forgot to mention. At the request of certain individuals I will name *some* names -- not all. I assume you're OK with it since you just fingered yourself...
StAl
| StAl | Day: 8
...Brain. I'm sure it's much more stimulating.
| StAl | Day: 8
Duncan: HA! Don't know how that Snoop Dogg song made it in there...
Aja: OH YEAH! I've been babbling about Trey Anastasio since 1995. SO THERE!
LP: Show me your...
| W1P | Day: 8
Well my personal e-mail is no mystery wch1ispink@aol.com
| Duncan | Day: 8
Pat... I've just been listening to your radio selections.
Are you allowed to play that stuff?
| Steveedan | Day: 8
YGK - W1P is in the back row 2nd from the left with the "hook 'em horns" hand gesture, I am in the white "Steely Damned" T-Shirt (though you can't read it)between Peg and Craigster and I'm holding up that guy horizontally.
St. Al - Would you please make a caption under this group photo naming the guest book people. I don't know Hat2Flat. I did not get to meet him.
Howard - I like to reduce the number of notes in a chord to its most defining notes (when I am going for that effect). I too like the sound of notes voiced right next to each other. I prefer the clustered voicing method over the stacked up method (like Clas uses). One of my favorite examples of this is the first chord in Home At Last, the Gm9. It is voiced like this (right hand bottom-to-top notes / bass notes):
F-A-Bb-D/G-G ... you have the b7th, 9th, minor 3rd, and perfect 5th over an octave of G - the root of the chord. Also, the clustered voicing here has two major 3rd interval pairs separated by a minor 2nd. This voicing has a great sound and is relatively easy to play. This might be boring to most of you, but it is damned exciting to us chord sluts.
Wormtom - I finally ordered the Shadows and Light DVD. I have seen it before, but I now must have it for my very own for the collection. I should have it within a week. How is your piano study progressing (with or without Elton's music)?
W1P - Oleander e-mailed me looking for you personal e-mail address to warn you. I didn't know it so I left you an e-message on the W1P-band site.
Fingers Shotan - Keep it up! (Your WRISTS, Squire !)
Hank - do you remember all those Spike Jones and Nervous Norvus songs? Norvus' Transfusion and Ape Call are two of my favorites. I have been trying to find an MP3 of an old Demento tune (the name of which I cannot remember) but it is a story about a guy trying to get his country song onto a radio station set to country music. In the chorus the lyrics are something like "dial that phone up one more time ... get that DJ on the line". If you have any idea what this song is please let me know.
Mistress of Mayhem - your handle says it all, don't it? Hope all is well.
Catch y'all later.
Steveedan
| lp | Day: 8
lol aja
hey, send those nola pics to st al - editing of course may be necessary that the san diego people neglected to do...
| Aja............................up to my ears with dime dancing | Day: 8
Aus!!!! Tom!!! YGK!!! SOMEBODY send me the NOLA pics!
YGK-have a great time at the Dr. John show.....remember, you're enjoying it for 10 of us ;o)
lp is now going to have to sign her name like this: (*)(*)
Hi Mistress of Disorderly Conduct! I'm here waving from behind all the paper on this desk........
AHEM! I mentioned Trey Anastasio FIRST in my post after NOLAfest, but y'all didn't respond......I TOLD you so! ;p
Aja
| W1P | Day: 8
Sally Semrad is a singer-songwriter who is contributing "Wish You Were Here" to our Pink Floyd tribute CD. On Monday, she was featured on NPR's "All Things Considered" which has prompted a run on her CD "Left of Me" on CDBaby.com If you have any interest, the interview can be heard on http"//www.npr.org and I have linked it in the "Your URL" space above.
| Gina | Day: 8
oh golly Molly :-)
your nana would die if she watched some of the videoclips on the site url-ed above :-)
Steveedan and others itching to write some appropriate musical scores ..
your toes will curl backwards when you listen to the tunes in the clips LOL
sorry, things like this shouldn't be entertainment but it's such a weird world we live in ...
Banyan Tree What's Dannish In A Russian Highly Educated Babe Bow,
G.
| wormbrain | Day: 8
auss
thanks for the pics
running...
I tired to send a powerpoint file of them all but it was 12 mb
sorry to have missed Lady B
did not catch Buffett saturday
radiators play this afternoon free two blocks from the office
crawfish - I need to do a few dishes with what we had left
t
| Mistress of Mayhem aka Molly | Day: 8
Another thing! If I have to listen to FLAW much more, I'm gonna hurt someone..lol Those of you with teenagers can relate.
| ╡ | Day: 8
lp: Serve up 3 boob jokes here and all of a sudden I am inundated by porno Spam...lol!
St.Al: The ubiquitous problem is all the damn internet-related gunk stuff needs to be cleared - at least on OS 8.6 and 9/9.1. Two of our teaching lab computers use OS X, which I run with a 9.1 shell. I don't think they've frozen once in a year - stuff's supposed to be really stable - I'm not a fan of the new "desktop." Already, 10.1 is beginning to emulate 9 in appearance while reataining the stability. New coke, classic coke kinda thing.
Oh great defender of capitalism - are you pulling for the homeboy or becoming a Republican?...Hey, at least Jobs is only CEO no the major stockholder . Did you hear his other company, Pixar (Ice-Age was a ball folks), and Disney parted ways - they took affrontery to the iMusic/iDVD software...
I'm in a bad mood lately...our moronic Bored of Regents picked the ex-head of the CIA as our new Pres. instead of the former head of the National Science Foundation...hope he has secret Swiss bank account to throw some endowment my way...damn, he may be monitoring this now...fire in the hole!!
| robot | Day: 8
Bill sir must stop sir. Need juice. More soon. More soon. Please.
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| Diva of Disorderly Behavior. | Day: 8
Aja, where are you woman?
Class, first Meg and now Jessica....tsk. tsk. lol
| Molly | Day: 8
HELLO EVERYONE!!!! Well first of all i'm jealous as hell that y'all are getting to listen to all of these fine musicians...lol! Having a nana of French/Cajun origin, I can fix y'all up with a good recipe for beignets! or powdered bread..lol (my poor nana would've died). I too love Cajun and Zydeco music..they're not the same ya know...
Stevee, I too fell for the virus scam!!! So far I can't see that anything important was deleted..crossing fingers! If I send you money for shipping and cost of disc, would you send me some of your band's music?
Woody aka Durwood, JAZ and Bill, sorry I abruptly ended our chat. Again was having trouble with ISP !!! One of the perils of living in Hooterville!
But saw a fox in yard this morning, so I guess I'll stay.
To all in photos St.Al posted, You guys are a finelooking bunch! It looked like a good time was being had by all!
Can any of you recommend some good blues sites? The few that I've taken time to visit are pretty lame...I'm needing to talk with some folks about SRV...much as I love the Dan ..lol
Going to see Robert Cray, can't wait.
LP sorry I missed you! SH*T I'd liked to have talked...
Off to fight the good fight... be peaceful and loving my GB friends M.
| Hank Silvers - all apologies | Day: 8
I got zapped by the KLEZ.H worm, and am now trying to finish cleaning up the mess it left. If you got an email from a "mooreje" with attachments, delete it, and -- believe me -- don't even have preview mode on if you still use Outlook Express. Since I usually use the dog.com address for SD correspondence, you probably didn't get anything from my home mailbox, but just making sure. (For more info about this *real* virus, see: http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_KLEZ.H )
Steveedan: (raising hand) Yes, I admit to listening to the good Doctor a lot in my younger days. Tunes like Friendly Neighborhood Narco Agent, Pencil-Neck Geek, Shaving Cream, Boobs A Lot, and Tom Lehrer, Weird Al -- whatever I know about writing lyrics I learned from them...
| Aussie | Day: 8
Wormy: Digital pics blasted...enjoy. Curious to know if you caught Jimmy Buffet last Saturday at the Fairgrounds.... Just got voice blast from LadyBaySide inviting me to the Crawfish and Zydeco fesival in Waterloo Village, NJ slated for the first weekend in June.....we'll see...my crawdad cravings were more than sated at the WurmPad that first weekend....regards to the beautiful Maria.
Aus
| Batman | Day: 8
babydoll, what I said was not what I meant to say. Please call me. I could never tell you no. Nothing's changed.
| lcpaul | Day: 8
Duncan - went to your site. Great to see what someone on the GB actually looks like. Dan looks really cute. I also liked those pics looking down that country road. Very painterly. Ta for that mate.
Fingers Shotan - also went to the DSO site and saw a picture of YOU and the band. As I keep saying, still hoping to get to Old Blighty before the end of the year. Then I can catch the DSO LIVE! Would really like to see and hear you guys smokin'.
Gwen - listening to "Keep on Dancing" as I pen (type) this. Hmmmmmn. Maybe it'll grow on me.
| wormy | Day: 8
ygk - don't order any dessert before that Dr John show! ;-)
hopefully the good Dr will give a full show
not having to do a gig the next day
at least we were able to catch the good Doctor sunday at the fest
sory for Ole and David who missed out
auss - where are those pictures buddy
t
| FINGERS Shotan | Day: 8
DUNCAN, LINDA and LITTLE DAN
It was such a great surprise to see you at THE OFFICE....a real blow that you couldn't catch the show. But I'm so chuffed that you
enjoyed the behind the scenes, fly on the wall, nitty-gritty preview!!!
It's a side that folks don't get to see...the sweaty, hernia-poppin', gear-shifting, spaghetti lead unravelling prequel, the
piss-taking comaraderie... the warty, hoary essence of a weekend away with your friends in The DSO. Thanks for that scorching review of our little tune-up (A la Ravi Shankar?)
The night show was just the best(check the feedback page at the site)a great, great audience, Glynn providing the incendiaries on guitar and Chris on keys making his NE debut. Just one thing missing.....yourselves, but that'll be put right in York soon enough...ok?
lovely to meet you Linda and Dan...though too briefly.
See you very soon...........Paul, and all in the band
| W1P | Day: 8
Steeve, no I have not been contacted by Oleander regarding any virus.
| StAl | Day: 8
Apple FlambT: I don't think any software developer would want to admit their product needed maintenance -- thus Peter Norton became a very rich man.
Miz D: http://www.treyanastasio.com. Listen to the whole thing before you buy. Much more cohesive and far less discordant jamming than anything he's ever done with Phish. He'll be in the KMTT Mountain Music Lounge the morning before his show, which is a fairly big deal since he didn't do much radio after Phish hit it big in about '95. Can't wait. They guy is awesome. Constantly changing styles. From "Jam" music, to Ska, to Jazz, to Oysterhead (can't describe this music) -- the only common thread throughout all is his very distinctive guitar sound.
Speaking of a new song that caught my attention -- Van Morrison's new one is due out soon and The Mountain has been playing a few cuts. Buried down deep in the record is a cut called "Evening Shadows." Excellent stuff. Listened to the preview at CDnow and the whole thing sound pretty good. Might have to check it out.
StAl
| YGK | Day: 8
who hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
for those of us in the NOLA contingent, who had a wonderful dinner, having purchased our Dr. John at Tipitinas Tix months in advance, and having leisurely rambled over dessert and single malts, and then showing up at Tips at midnight - MISSING THE ENTIRE SHOW!..........it gives me great pleasure to report that, thanx to Lady Bayside (that's LAAY DEE BAYYY SIIIDE to you, Aus)
I'm checkingout Dr. John at BB Kings Friday Night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not sure if Marcia Ball is with im, but I doubt it.......
Anyway, MAJOR Kudos to Ms. Bayside! LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLoveit!
St. Al - Nice work on the SD Pix - good to see you, Duck, Ed, Hat2Flat, Angel, Bob & the always adorable Peg - that's all I could recognize......
but I can't wait to see your edits/posts of NOLS Fest......
Hope you are well.......
"Now that you got me, whatcha gonna do?" - Mac Rebennack
ygk
| wormy | Day: 8
missed lady bayside and toni at the fest ;-(
ran off to the gulf coast late in the weekend
it was very hot this last weekend
ygk - "worm in apple" wasn't me
I have a COmpaq laptop and a three head Sun BLade Unix workstation
prefer macs but I work with engineers
off to texas with 30 intercity kids to see some geology
LLano, Austin, New Brunsfels and Glen Rose
leave tommorrow for 5 days
mojo has a nice special edition 1000 days Beatles Psychedelia
relaxed to Joni's Shadows and Lights Dvd last night
Jaco Pat Brecker Lyle - just astounding
so where's that tribute album?
| Apple Flambe | Day: 8
Thank you to Hoops and Mu for the clean-up info. Found that one problem was overheating. Small clip-on fan providing relief there. Will look for the disc you mention, puzzling a MAC has no built-in provision for this sort of thing, guess that was not important to the engineers.
| Howard | Day: 8
Steveedan - I prefer to play most Steely chords using 4 or 5 notes too. There are a few places where a bigger, fatter sound is good (maybe with extra 3rds or 5ths in the left hand), but on the guitar or piano, I usually stick to bass note (sometimes doubled at the octave) + 3 or 4 notes above. It's down to personal preference at the end of the day - Clas seems to like the bigger 8 or 9-note chord kind of sound.
LisaG - did some fiddling with 13th chords on the guitar last night. It was HARD to find guitar voicings that use 1st, 3rd, b7th, 11th and 13th! Tried a couple and I'm now in 200% agreement with you - using the 11th with the 3rd makes it sound like mud with too much raw chilli. That b9 interval between the 3rd and 4th is pretty horrible. Taking the 11th upto #11th helps, though this has a more unusual sound than a "regular" 13th.
I figured that dominant and major 13ths sounded pretty bad if the 3rd and 11th were included, but minor 13ths were fine. Does this tally with received wisdom?
I'll have to update some of my chord theory pages... Thanks for bringing this one up!
It's funny, because I've used a lot of chords that have the 3rd and 4th right next to each other, along with a b7th (e.g E G# A D), and this sounds fine. Somehow, when the 13th is thrown in to the pot, it disturbs the rest and the 3rd and 4th no longer seem to be able to "get along" ...?
Howard
| lcpaulforgwennie | Day: 8
Gwen dahling