Name: c
farming out
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 at 22:15:27
Comments:
Djed, I read it closer and got it. Thank you.
Name: clas
farming in
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 at 22:13:42
Comments:
Hey, that's not my Geena... four dots and no space. And what is this; "you are little girl is fine..."?
StAl; look up that IP-address please. I give you money.
Synthsolo on which song?
Name: djed askari
djed3@hotmail.com
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 at 19:16:58
Comments:
OK peeps, back to the music. How many of you remember the Thelonius Monk tribute album "That's the Way I Feel Now?" On the remake of the Monk classic "Reflections", Fagen gives what I think is one of the finest synthesizer solos he's ever recorded. years ago, I said "damn, he can really play!"
Check it out: it's a classic.
Name: Geena
balmy, breezy, boston
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 at 16:59:58
Comments:
Clas:
you're little girl is fine....and so am I
Name: Sam I am
sunnysam73@yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 at 15:49:30
Comments:
Clas... I can see you...every night in my restless slumber...I hear Deacon Blues filling the emptiness that surounds your light...
Name: maj©
frontier@uscom.com
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 at 10:27:40
Comments:
Naw, Ruby, you're too empathetic and compassionate for that sort of trade. Do you roll your hands in a circular motion when you talk expressively?
Anyone remember the first hotel room scene in "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles" where John Candy says to Steve Martin, "...hostile AND intolerant, that's a great personality combination. What happens when your kid spills her milk - do you slap them?"
A couple of months ago, Fogel pointed out a personality profile they worked up (a "whack" as he described it) on D+W.
maj©
Name: RubyBaby
an officer, and a gentlewoman
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 at 09:43:55
Comments:
Schwinn is right. According to those tests, I should be a military career officer who writes text books.Scheeeese!
rb
Name: clas
back home on the farm
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 at 00:45:07
Comments:
Lisa Sugarpie, I'm here... over here. No, here... can't you see me?
Name: Jackie Brown
chakakhan
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 at 00:12:50
Comments:
Schwinn,
What's your sign?
Name: Schwinn, Destroyer of Personality Tests
bl@ckbox
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 at 00:08:58
Comments:
ENTJ...INTJ...they're all pussies to me till they put out some product. And speaking of panty-waists, I'm going to give the next Einstein who quotes Myers-Brigg's hogwash a case of TMJ.
You'll find just as many ENTJ's, proportionately, in PRISON as you will in the top five floors of the TRUMP TOWER. So quit aggrandizing your self-generated deceptions. The only difference between you and a swabby is...well, you both walk the plank well.
Always a Silver Lining,SEMB
Name: maj©
frontier@uscom.com
Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 at 22:23:09
Comments:
Well, if Walter and Donald would have done interviews way back when AND they didn't take a century to record an album, we wouldn't have any need to *speculate* about the inner-workings of their mastery.
Regarding the profiles pasted in here for INTJ and ENFP, I'll bet an original carved Steely Dan decoder ring (handmade by Cowboy Frank) complete with a glitter facing that someone here pasted Walter and Donald's names into those profiles. Show me the data and I'll show you the ring of rare design.
Hank Silvers: I stick by the E, for now, and remember that I was flying from the seat of my golf pants when I made that guess-timate.
maj©
Name: lisa
ol@
Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 at 20:42:36
Comments:
clas...where are you?
Name: clas
c@country
Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 at 20:27:40
Comments:
San Fran Knight; she's OK, I just woke her up, she's making coffee now.
Tell me, how old is your daughter now? Say hi to her from Swedens second leading man!
Geena; how's my little girl?
Name: FUCK PSYCHO TESTS
WHERE IS THE GODDAMN NEW
Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 at 18:30:07
Comments:
FUCKING ALBUM? JUESES H CHRISHT, WHERE THE NEW ALBUM??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: Geena
inbluejeans
Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 at 17:53:37
Comments:
Mock Turtle:
I'll be taking Myers Briggs in a few months...
I'll let ya know...
Name: San Francisco Knight
steelybabies@geocities.com
Location: London, UK
Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 at 10:19:27
Comments:
Sorry, my daughter got a little carried away.Clas, hope that the world's leading Swede is doing okay!
I have just taken on this new job which has kept me so busy, I am really in need of a catch up session with the Dan alumni.
Are the usual people picking on the usual people?????
Has Moray Eel learnt to type yet?????
St Al. The new design of guestbook is much improved.
I saw Titanic. I thought it sucked!!!!!!!!!! LA Confidential was way superior.
Still have yet to find 11TofW.
Laters
Pretzels and Branston Pickle
Name: Steely Baby
steelybabies@geocities.com
Location: London, UK
Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 at 10:10:02
Comments:
Nurddle durddle eeeh, Clas.
Dada, dada eeehh!
Name: Halo Betty
sidon
Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 at 22:44:09
Comments:
The Mars Global Surveyor is re-imaging the Cydonia Mensae area of the planet, Mars, as I write.
Kinda Tickles!Bet
Name: moRay eel
Typo City
Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 at 22:17:10
Comments:
.
Name: motay eel
Borehamwood
Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 at 22:13:04
Comments:
Looky Lou: I am not sure if I should take your question as a compliment or an insult; But no, I am not Brian Sweet.
Roy Scam: Yeah, "New Frontier" would have fit in well in "StrangeLove". The sexual themes of the film could be explored by a young couple in a fallout shelter(as a counterpoint to the mineshaft discussion).
A Kubrick/Fagen joint venture is almost too much to hope for. I would love to see it, though.
Maj: I pretty sure that Fagen and Kubrick have the same type of personality. Kubrick may be-"Fagen to the extreme" or Fagen may be - "Stanley Kubrick Lite".
Cy: I haven't been on the NASA site in weeks. I'll have to check out those Hubble photos.
"Now we dolly back...Now we fade to black..."
m.e.
Name: Mock Turtle
Galápagos Is.
Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 at 11:58:43
Comments:
Anyone:
Any ideas as to what is the Myers-Briggs personality type of the average Danfan? This kind of stuff fascinates me.
Just wondering,
MT (INTJ).
Name: Por Nada
my old school
Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 at 11:35:54
Comments:
Thank you to whomever deleted those extremely
long posts....sheesh!..whatever!
Name: ashadow
crossed the blue miami sky
Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 at 09:58:10
Comments:
slide into decadence or healing regression?
Name: symbiont
c@ve dweller
Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 at 08:57:06
Comments:
nestle, my chocolaty friend...i've been aquainting myself with the darkness for years...turning my inner power into external light... transforming the mystery into my bedroom furniture... soon, i'll be able to grow alfalfa and watercress, two fine sources of vitamin d...
do you think i would allow my brethren to go lacking?
got milk?
Name: Roy.Scam
in.my.mind.i'm.goin'.to.carolina
Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 at 07:58:57
Comments:
Wrong G & Cy: My understanding of 'bi-polar' is that it's a disorder that includes periods of deep anguish/desparation as well as periods of delusions of infallibility. It's a dangerous condition in that, during the infallible phase, one fearlessly jumps into shit that the normal and depressed phases can't handle. I've heard it said that Mr. Fagen was clinically depressed at one time, but I've not heard Fagen or Kubrick described as bi-polar. The lead characters in "The Goodbye Look" and "Kid Charlemagne" may have been conceived as bi-polar, however.
Is it just me, or does the Utah Utes point guard look like Richard Pryor?
fez--I hope your not charging $238 for tout services for picking Kentucky. Good choice but I still disagree with calling it a dark horse (or was it sleeper?).
RS
Name: outoftouch
@cluelessville
Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 at 06:26:57
Comments:
excuse me, i was looking for the Steely Dan guestbook. this reads more like a Meyer-Briggs seminar. please direct me to the correct site.
how about those Utes
Name: Hank Silvers
mooreje@fast.net
Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 at 04:22:07
Comments:
maj©: Walter, an Extravert? I'm not convinced yet. No nits to pick, however, with Donald's profile.
Name: Nestle's Quickening
bl@ckcow
Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 at 01:48:23
Comments:
Symbo,
So I take it you have experience underground? Spelunker? How do we handle the Vitamin D thing? Should I dig myself a hole?
Dave,Please take off the 3-D glasses. That Simpson's special was over years ago.
Cy,Are you inferring Stanley Kubrick and Donald Fagen are bipolar just like the earth and planets? That the ever-evolving solar system is translated into art continuously, right here, right now?
Shit, and me without my harmonica!Nestle
Name: symbiont
wild p@lms
Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 at 18:40:31
Comments:
dave88...as the time draws near, i find that i require less and less sleep...the instinctual drive to produce is strong in the vortex...i have discussed the mystical possibilities of the gb with some...my suspicions grow.
enjoy the sun, brothers...there may come a morning when the light eludes us, as we take our places underground.
feel the quickening?
Name: Kyle
Snowbound
Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 at 15:36:39
Comments:
Lester,
Shut up you pigfucker! My mom is not a bitch!
Kyle
Name: Lester the Nightfly
West siiiiiiieeeeeed
Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 at 13:33:38
Comments:
Hey Jung@heart,
Well, now that I actually read that dissertation, it's kind of cool. Sorry for the anguish.
Name: Lester the Nightfly
CC73647@aol.com
Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 at 13:26:08
Comments:
Hey Jung@heart,
I spent four years in college worrying about papers and exams on that kind of shit, and the last thing I need is somebody bringing it back to haunt me on a website that has little if nothing to do with my college major. I mean, come on, you pretty much wrote a fucking journal article. Take your business to the Celine Dion or Hanson guestbooks. Kyle's mom's a bitch.
Name: Wrong Guestbook
Again
Location: Flytown, ====
Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 at 12:05:48
Comments:
To the last few posters- I am a Bi-Polar Steely Dan fan. I come to this forum and I want to talk about Steely Dan, NOT about being Bi-Polar...GET IT!!!WG
Name: Team Worker
daves88keys@hotmail.com
Location: NYC, NY US
Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 at 02:48:16
Comments:
Cy: I Read your post. We have received our warning. After the new milennium, things will become exponenially distant, so much more: closer. Visitors know this. Perhaps Kinky may even pay attention! The next asteroid that wrecks havoc, is 1.3 billion years off. So relax! A Full Blooded Cherokee has said upon to me: " I've been told. " Of course, somehow, someway, I know that, his words have nothing to do with this crazy technology and things that are said along with it. Those are my words. Anyone ever hear a voice, or seen an image ? I've been 'Up on the Hill.' D 13.
Name: Cy Donia
gath
Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 at 01:35:42
Comments:
Moray and Roy: and then the comparison get's scary. In the movie 2001 man loses control of his technology (Hal) when his craft encounters the "obelisk" just outside Jupiter. In November of '95, Galileo's probe entered what the JPL has come to call, "a non-representative" area of the gas planet. "Non-representative" because the data it returned was sharply contradictory to the data we had collected from previous fly-bys. LESS water than the SUN! 1/10th the lightning expected. Winds 100% greater than previously measured. Galileo lost its high-gain antenna early in the mission. A really tough break considering Jupiter's gravity had captured the SL-9 comet and was flattening it out like a blacksmith hammering hot iron. (The similarities to Kubrick's obelisk are uncanny--check out the Hubble photos). Eventually this tidal force shattered the comet into 23 fragments--21 of which were recorded crashing into Jupiter right on cue. The other two? Well, I know one is working on a movie and I hope the other is working on an album...
"...it's full of stars..."
Cy
Name: Zeke
spike@eatel.net
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 at 19:34:03
Comments:
Docta: Whoa! That's some dream, brother!
I think I had the same dream, or maybe it was real, except for
the Steely part. This years Fess is right around the corner.
(Last weekend in April, 1st weekend in May)
Man, the weather here has been awesome. I'm really pumped about the Doobie Bros. show.Every year the night concerts there's always a special guest. Paul Simon, James Taylor,
Lenny Kravitz (sp?)Anyway, if any Dan Fans are planning to attend, send me an email.
Zeke.
Name: theI
jpalderman@bulldog.unca
Location: Asheville, NC USA
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 at 19:17:55
Comments:
me actually heard son of a sailor the other day. me can't remember where. it was the first time for me and me thought about the prophetous things that me had heard about the son of a son of a swabby page. me not sure what that means exactly, but the voices told me to write it. or type it, me guess. not that me always listen to them mind you, only when me think that it is not important enough to ignore.
Name: hello.
Jung@heart
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 at 19:00:26
Comments:
Profile: INTJ
Revision: 2.0
Date of Revision: 20 Mar 95
=============================================================================
Introverted iNtuitive Thinking Judgingby Marina Margaret Heiss (mmh0m@poe.acc.virginia.edu)
To outsiders, INTJs may appear to project an aura of
"definiteness", of self-confidence. This self-confidence,
sometimes mistaken for simple arrogance by the less decisive, is
actually of a very specific rather than a general nature; its
source lies in the specialized knowledge systems that most INTJs
start building at an early age. When it comes to their own areas
of expertise -- and INTJs can have several -- they will be able
to tell you almost immediately whether or not they can help you,
and if so, how. INTJs know what they know, and perhaps still
more importantly, they know what they *don't* know.INTJs are perfectionists, with a seemingly endless capacity for
improving upon anything that takes their interest. What prevents
them from becoming chronically bogged down in this pursuit of
perfection is the pragmatism so characteristic of the type:
INTJs apply (often ruthlessly) the criterion "Does it *work*?" to
everything from their own research efforts to the prevailing
social norms. This in turn produces an unusual independence of
mind, freeing the INTJ from the constraints of authority,
convention, or sentiment for its own sake.INTJs are known as the "Systems Builders" of the types, perhaps
in part because they possess the unusual trait combination of
imagination and reliability. Whatever system an INTJ happens to
be working on is for them the equivalent of a moral cause to an
INFJ; both perfectionism and disregard for authority may come
into play, as INTJs can be unsparing of both themselves and the
others on the project. Anyone considered to be "slacking,"
including superiors, will lose their respect -- and will
generally be made aware of this; INTJs have also been known to
take it upon themselves to implement critical decisions without
consulting their supervisors or co-workers. On the other hand,
they do tend to be scrupulous and even-handed about recognizing
the individual contributions that have gone into a project, and
have a gift for seizing opportunities which others might not even
notice.In the broadest terms, what INTJs "do" tends to be what they
"know". Typical INTJ career choices are in the sciences and
engineering, but they can be found wherever a combination of
intellect and incisiveness are required (e.g., law, some areas of
academia). INTJs can rise to management positions when they are
willing to invest time in *marketing* their abilities as well as
enhancing them, and (whether for the sake of ambition or the
desire for privacy) many also find it useful to learn to simulate
some degree of surface conformism in order to mask their inherent
unconventionality.Personal relationships, particularly romantic ones, can be the
INTJ's Achilles heel. While they are capable of caring deeply
for others (usually a select few), and are willing to spend a
great deal of time and effort on a relationship, the knowledge
and self-confidence that make them so successful in other areas
can suddenly abandon or mislead them in interpersonal situations.This happens in part because many INTJs do not readily grasp the
social rituals; for instance, they tend to have little patience
and less understanding of such things as small talk and
flirtation (which most types consider half the fun of a
relationship). To complicate matters, INTJs are usually
extremely private people, and can often be naturally impassive as
well, which makes them easy to misread and misunderstand.
Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs
really want people to make *sense*. :-) This sometimes results
in a peculiar naivete', paralleling that of many Fs -- only
instead of expecting inexhaustible affection and empathy from a
romantic relationship, the INTJ will expect inexhaustible
reasonability and directness.Probably the strongest INTJ assets in the interpersonal area are
their intuitive abilities and their willingness to "work at" a
relationship. Although as Ts they do not always have the kind of
natural empathy that many Fs do, the Intuitive function can often
act as a good substitute by synthesizing the probable meanings
behind such things as tone of voice, turn of phrase, and facial
expression. This ability can then be honed and directed by
consistent, repeated efforts to understand and support those they
care about, and those relationships which ultimately do become
established with an INTJ tend to be characterized by their
robustness, stability, and good communications.-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Famous INTJs:
Dan Akroyd, actor (_The Blues Brothers_)
Susan B. Anthony, suffragist
Arthur Ashe, tennis champion
Augustus Caesar (Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus), Emperor of Rome
Jane Austen, author (_Pride and Prejudice_)
William J. Bennett, "drug czar"
William F. Buckley, Jr., conservative political advocate
Raymond Burr, actor ("Perry Mason", "Ironsides")
Chevy Chase (Cornelius Crane), actor (_Fletch_)
Phil Donahue, television talk show host
Michael Dukakis, governor of Mass., 1988 U.S. Dem. pres. candidate
Donald Fagen
Greg Gumbel, television sportscaster
Hannibal, Carthaginian military leader
Veronica Hamel, actress ("Hill Street Blues")
Orel Leonard Hershiser, IV, major league baseball pitcher
Peter Jennings, television newscaster
Charles Everett Koop, former U.S. surgeon general
Ivan Lendl, tennis champion
C. S. Lewis, author (_The Chronicles of Narnia_)
Joan Lunden, television talk show host
Edwin Moses, U.S. olympian (hurdles)
Martina Navratilova, tennis champion
Charles Rangel, U. S. Representative, D-N.Y.
Pernell Roberts, actor ("Bonanza")
Maria Owens Shriver, television newscaster
Josephine Tey (Elizabeth Mackintosh), mystery writer (_Brat Farrar_)
U.S. Presidents:
Chester A. Arthur
Thomas Jefferson
John F. Kennedy
James K. Polk
Woodrow WilsonFictional:
Cassius (_Julius Caesar_)
Mr. Darcy (_Pride and Prejudice_)
Gandalf the Grey (J. R. R. Tolkein's Middle Earth books)
Hannibal Lecter (_Silence of the Lambs_)
Professor Moriarty, Sherlock Holmes' nemesis
Ensign Ro ("Star Trek--the Next Generation")
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern (_Hamlet_)
George Smiley, John le Carre's master spy
Clarice Starling (_Silence of the Lambs_)-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Profile: ENFP
Revision: 1.7
Date of Revision: 15 May 95=============================================================================
Extraverted iNtuitive Feeling Perceiving
by Marina Margaret Heiss (mmh0m@poe.acc.virginia.edu)
[The following comes partially from the archetype, but mostly from my own
dealings with ENFPs.]General: ENFPs are both "idea"-people and "people"-people, who see
everyone and everything as part of an often bizarre cosmic whole. They
want to both help (at least, their *own* definition of "help") and be
liked and admired by other people, on both an individual and a humani-
tarian level. They are interested in new ideas on principle, but
ultimately discard most of them for one reason or another.Social/Personal Relationships: ENFPs have a great deal of zany charm,
which can ingratiate them to the more stodgy types in spite of their
unconventionality. They are outgoing, fun, and genuinely like people. As
SOs/mates they are warm, affectionate (lots of PDA), and disconcertingly
spontaneous. However, attention span in relationships can be short; ENFPs
are easily intrigued and distracted by new friends and acquaintances,
forgetting about the older ones for long stretches at a time. Less mature
ENFPs may need to feel they are the center of attention all the time, to
reassure them that everyone thinks they're a wonderful and fascinating
person.ENFPs often have strong, if unconvential, convictions on various issues
related to their Cosmic View. They usually try to use their social skills
and contacts to persuade people gently of the rightness of these views;
his sometimes results in their neglecting their nearest and dearest while
flitting around trying to save the world.
Work Environment: ENFPs are pleasant, easygoing, and usually fun to work
ith. They come up with great ideas, and are a major asset in
brainstorming sessions. Followthrough tends to be a problem, however;
they tend to get bored quickly, especially if a newer, more interesting
project comes along. They also tend to be procrastinators, both about
meeting hard deadlines and about performing any small, uninteresting tasks
that they've been assigned. ENFPs are at their most useful when working
in a group with a J or two to take up the slack.ENFPs *hate* bureaucracy, both in principle and in practice; they will
always make a point of launching one of their crusades against some aspect
of it.
=============================================================================
Extraverted iNtuitive Feeling Perceiving
by Joe Butt (jabutt@sacam.oren.ortn.edu)ENFPs are friendly folks. Most are really enjoyable people. Some of the
most soft-hearted people are ENFPs.ENFPs have what some call a 'silly switch.' They can be intellectual,
serious, all business for a while, but whenever they get the chance,
they flip that switch and become CAPTAIN WILDCHILD, the scourge of the
swimming pool, ticklers par excellence. Sometimes they may even
appear intoxicated when the 'switch' is flipped.One study has shown that ENFPs are significantly overrepresented in
psychodrama. Most have a natural propensity for role-playing and
acting.ENFPs like to tell funny stories, especially about their friends.
This penchant may be why many are attracted to journalism. I kid one
of my ENFP friends that if I want the sixth fleet to know something,
I'll just tell him.ENFPs are global learners. Close enough is satisfactory to the ENFP.
which may unnerve more precise thinking types, especially with such
things as piano practice ("three quarter notes or four ... what's the
difference?") Amazingly, some ENFPs are adept at exacting disciplines
such as mathematics. Go figure.Friends are what life is about to ENFPs, moreso even than the other
NFs. They hold up their end of the relationship, sometimes being taken
advantage of by less caring individuals. ENFPs are energized by being
around people. Some have real difficulty being alone, especially on a
regular basis.One ENFP colleague, a social worker, had such tremendous interpersonal
skills that she put her interviewers at ease during her own job interview.
She had the ability to make strangers feel like old friends.ENFPs sometimes can be blindsided by their secondary Feeling function.
Hasty decisions based on deeply felt values may boil over with
unpredictable results. More than one ENFP has abruptly quit a job in
such a moment.Famous ENFPs:
Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)
Walter Becker
Walter Wenchell, radio reporter
Will Rogers, humorist
+ Ronald Reagan, U.S. President
Theodor "Dr." Seuss Geisel, children's author (_The Cat in the Hat_)
Mickey Rooney, actor
Geraldo Rivera
James Dobson, "Focus on the Family"
Andy Rooney, television news commentator
+Paul Harvey, radio announcer
Elizabeth Montgomery, actress ("Bewitched")
+Dom Delouise, actor
Dave Thomas, owner of Wendy's hamburger chain
Lewis Grizzard, author, newspaper columnist
I. King Jordan, president of Gallaudet University
Robin Williams, actor, comedian (_Dead Poet's Society_, _Mrs. Doubtfire_)
Dave Coulier (Joey on "Full House")
Candice Cameron (D.J. " " " )Fictional:
+ Dr. Doug Ross, _ER_
Balkie ("Perfect Strangers")
Ariel (_The Little Mermaid_)
Cathy (comic strip character)
"The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air"[ "+" denotes changes to previous revision]
=============================================================================++[previously attached comments about the profiles from ENFPs were removed
from this file and saved in the file 'enfp.comments' at the
sunsite.unc.edu archive in the profiles directory. Since the profile
attached at the end of the previous file was identified as copyrighted
material, it has been removed.]
Name: Sgir
@20000 leagues below
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 at 17:18:09
Comments:
I had my radio on 4110 AM WSBY and low and behold, one of my favorite songs came on. I cant remember the last time I heard Swabbylon Sisters. Luv the ending on that one, "you gotta swab it baby."
PS does anyone no where I can find the SD tune Your Silver Dentures III. I heard The Rutles did a groovy cover of it.
Sgir
Name: Big Bad Leroy Brown
@nwa.com
Location: Chitown, IL
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 at 14:47:30
Comments:
Shindig- You know, Kulee Baba is a RACIST song, something about this big black African dude chewing on some power cable or something. How could you of all people support this type of thing?
Name: Shindig
shindig@writeme.com
Location: Toe-Wun-Toe, Awareness Canada
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 at 13:03:22
Comments:
A Kulee Baba/Theme from the Dukes of Hazzard Medley would do well, I think. Sort of a "Day in the Life" kind of thing.
Shindig.
Name: Bill Krohn
krohn@kalnet.net
Location: Kalamazoo, MI USA
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 at 10:54:19
Comments:
Steely Dan vinyl albums!! Great group! Krohn's Boulevard Records at (http://www.kalnet.net/krohn) has classic rock vinyl and memorabilia for sale; Rock, Pop, Folk, & Country from the '60s to the '90s; Blues & Jazz from the '50s and before; back issues of music magazines like Goldmine, RStone, Creem, Musician, Hot Wacks, & others; Used But Not Abused CDs & Singles; music movies. (http://www.kalnet.net/krohn)
Name: maj©
frontier@uscom.com
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 at 08:33:01
Comments:
More on the Fagen/Kubrick comparison.........
Both are likely to share the same personality type -- INTZ/J, in my humble opinion. I can post more on this if you wish.
And my guess on Walter -- ENFA/P. Lots to substantiate these observations and *someday* I'll work up a profile on this, *someday*. (BTW, the Z is the Personality Profiler(TM) equivalent of the J for the Myers-Briggs (TM); the A is the equivalent for the P).
Showing my true ENTA colors,
maj©
Name: MrLP
g
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 at 07:15:16
Comments:
Well, in case everyone hasn't heard, the stealing between rap stars and pop stars has finally reached some sort of peacemaking.
Garth Brooks and Warren G have agreed not to argue over the lowercase "g" used by both. You see, Warren uses it and says it stands for little kids in the 'hood who have overcome the temptations of drugs and violence.
Garth uses it because it "looks real nice on a buckle." (He didn't actually say that, but he didn't really have to, now, did he?)
The best part of the news article was the last sentence, which explained that Kenny G has not issued a comment.
Final 4: UK beats Stanford (breaking my heart), and UNC wallops Utah (also breaking my heart, because I would love to see UNC lose); UNC over UK by 10?
headin' to the land of milk and honey,
LP
Name: Roy.Scam
Dave.you.don't.want.to.do.that
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 at 04:52:44
Comments:
Moray Eel: Great Fagen/Kubrick comparison. And "New Frontier" would have fit perfectly into "Dr. Strangelove..." as a subplot; alternating scenes between the war room, Slim Pickens's bomber, and the teenager trying to seduce the Tuesday Weld lookalike in his Dad's fallout shelter.--Remember how Scorcese and Robbie Robertson got together in the 70s? (That was Scorces that directed The Last Waltz.) I suggest a Fagen-Kubrick, multimedia hook up; maybe something like a film version of The Goodbye Look or Sign In Stranger.
And HAL=the first stage of "..just machines to make big decisions".
RS
Name: clas
@ Fasching
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 at 01:05:01
Comments:
I saw a US-singer last night, a cute little girl, Stacey Kent. Kind of Billie Holliday. Anyone familiar with her?
Damm, she was cool. After the show I was about to ask her if she wanted to come with me and see my factory. But then I saw the ring on her finger. Rare design.
Name: Looky Lou
I loved your book!!
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 at 00:42:50
Comments:
Mr. Eel, you're not Brian Sweet by any chance, are you?
Name: clas
c@w
Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 at 23:52:18
Comments:
Bergman? He is a Swede uh?
Name: moray eel
The Overlook Hotel
Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 at 23:09:47
Comments:
Roy S's:
It's interesting that Stanley Kubrick's name has come up. I believe that Kubrick and Fagen have a lot of the same qualities.
Geography
=============
They are both New Yorkers. (Kubrick now lives in England, but he was born in the Bronx and (like Donald) moved out to L.A when he was in his 20's. Neither of them stayed in California for more than a couple of years.
Heritage
=============
They are both Jewish.Wait, it gets better...
Occupation
=============
They are both artists that are contracted to Warner Brothers; and have projects that they are currently working on that are due out later this year.They are perfectionists. They are both known for being meticulous artists requiring special inventions for their art (Kubrick=Steadicam,etc.) (Fagen=Wendel,etc.).
Both men are notorious for requiring an extremely high number of takes. Kubrick is said to have filmed 74 takes of Scatman Crouthers closing a door during "The Shining" shoot.
Finally, Scatman became enraged, "What do you WANT, Stan?"
I'm sure all of you have heard similar stories regarding Dan sessions(example-the Peg solo).They are both known for using the best people in their respective fields. Kubrick has worked with Laurence Olivier, Jack Nicholson, Peter Sellers, George C. Scott and Kirk Douglas. Fagen's used Carlton, Gadd, Feldman, etc.
Both men were very successful during the ' 70's. And they both have entered into quasi-retirement since the early ' 80's. Fagen's has created only one studio album since ' 82 (Kamakiriad). Kubrick has made only one film since '82 (Full Metal Jacket).They are both known for having a strong sense of irony and a lack of sentimentality in their art.
Hobbies and Interests
=======================As a teen, Stanley's career interest was in jazz music. He actually played drums for Eydie Gorme, before photography captured his attention. Stanley's early films ("The Killing"(great flick), "Killer's Kiss") have jazz scores. The Modern Jazz Quartet is a particular favorite of Stanley's.
Photography has been an enduring interest of Fagen's for many years. Many of you probably saw Fagen snaping pictures at some of the concerts during the recent tours.
They both are chess enthusiasts.
They both enjoy reading science fiction and working within the genre...Kubrick (2001, A Clockwork Orange, AI)/Fagen (Kamakiriad, True Companion). When Fagen sings, "Get your ticket to that wheel in space while there's time..." I'm immediately reminded of that early space docking scene in 2001.
Both men are fans of Ingmar Bergman films.
Odds and Ends
==================
Kubrick's first choice to play the title role in "Lolita" was Tuesday Weld. Nabakov, who helped Kubrick adapt the novel to film, rejected the idea. Tuesday Weld later stated, "I didn't need to play 'Lolita'...I was 'Lolita'."Kubrick's secretary is named Lincoln and Fagen's secretary is named Kennedy...oops...wrong comparison.
Oh yeah, and they are my two favorite artists...as if you couldn't tell.
m.e.
Name: Geena
just bit my lip and it HURTS!
Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 at 17:35:25
Comments:
Clas: Yes babe, i'll be there...just stick
out your tongue and say AHHHHHHHH!
Name: Kenneth Starr
Little Rock Court House
Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 at 13:50:07
Comments:
What, no Kulee? How about "I Can't Write Home About You", now that we've found out about Clinton's illegitimate black son, Danny? Semi-mojo, who's that Kinky so & so???
Name: DrMu
tom waits for no one
Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 at 10:23:59
Comments:
Red Lights: I hear you...hope springs eternal when you're a shadow of the man you once knew...gotta get more sleep...then again I thought that Marc Cohn wouldn't have the guts to release his 2nd album 7.5 years after his Granmamy winning debut, but he did...the quality control police must analyze before an honarary Steely award is given.
Here's an idea that's a reach out to Mizar 5. When the 'new one" is released, about the time the asteroid approaches, a menu of 20 songs will be available on the 'net. Pick your favorite 12, send in your gold coins or card # and your personal CD will be rushed to your address of choice by 2nd day air...
Name: No Red Lights
Flashing
Location: Portland, OR.
Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 at 10:09:17
Comments:
Dr Mu: There is as much of a chance that Kulee Baba will be on "The new one" as there is Clas "will be getting a life" in the near future!
Name: DrMu
getJack3 Oscars?
Location: Ok,afewLakersgames, and sex and drugs, etc.
Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 at 09:14:55
Comments:
Zeke: Where y'at? 'bout time for the JazzFest...had a dream, an awesome dream, the other night. We hauled the family to N'awlins for Jfest '99, stopped in Baton Rouge for lunch at Drusilla's (had redfish Napoleon with lump crabmeat and crawfish with a spicy pink), then cruised down the Trans-Bayou Skyway to N.O. where we hit the grounds and saw the Neville Bros., Little Feat, and Steely Dan back-to-back-to-back...remember hearin' Willin' and Dr. Wu.
Gratuitous Prediction: Kulee Baba will surface on the "new one"...it came in a flash as Clinton was almost fondled by a crush of Ghanans (I think). This has gottas be more accurate than our final4 predictions (I can't believe the Blue Devils and Wojo and Trajan Langdon -3 for 1998 shooting- choked against Necktucky!)
Name: c
Wendy, I'm back!
Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 at 05:42:13
Comments:
ROY SCAM; "The Mommyheads" - should I buy it?
Name: Roy.Scam
allworkandnoplayallworkandnoplayallworkandnoplayallworkandnoplay
Location: allworkandnoplay, allwork andnoplay
Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 at 05:02:16
Comments:
I just finished a thorough repeated listening to "The Mommyheads", the first major label CD from the group that declared Steely Dan as their greatest love. Definite thumbs up. They don't sound like the Dan; they're apparently more enamored of the rock side than the jazz side. But they could pass for Paul Simon collaborating with the 1969 Beatles. The song "Wake Up Irene" is a beauty, but the only place I've ever heard it was public radio.
Dear Roy S., I like "The Shining". To me, freezing to death in a maze is a great metaphor for...well, damn near everything.
Love, Roy S
Name: c
c@w
Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 at 05:01:54
Comments:
...tongue depressors...
I'll be there! Will you, Geena?
Name: Aja
@
Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 at 01:03:41
Comments:
Well, glad as I am to see the top 100 list talk die down, I hope no one actually took me seriously with that talk about The Fixx etc. Afterall everyone knows, Soft Cell was the greatest eighties group.
BTW, I heard Deborah was a real lady in the parlor, but the men whom she let into her bed know about that "hussie from within" that the Babylon sisters here were talking about.
Name: Roy Schneider
asstralprojection
Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 at 00:51:28
Comments:
Roy: Kubrick doesn't think the Dan is a big enough threat to consider them for a project. Asimov--now there was a menace to local space. Kubrick did that. King--now there's the one big embarrassment in Stanley's portfolio. Kubrick just couldn't get into that AC/DC thing. The Shindig? God, SK, (Stanley Kubrick) was PISSED! If you ever had a reason to fear a Virgo with their Pluto conjunct the ascendant then look no further than the other SK, (Stephen King). I bet those two could put a serious dent in the Red Rum supplies of practically ANY WORLD! Stephen King is a money whore to the 20th power--not that there's anything wrong with that...
Kubrick was so impressed by Cruise's performance in Interview With a Vampire that he cloistered the fave couple in the old Hammer studios for months. I betcha they earned their money. We'll see. Kubrick may buckle under the collapse he's initiated.
How Do You Capture a Squonk's Tears? Send Kodak to China.
Roy "Shark Man" Scheider
Name: Razor Boy
joebj@compmore.net
Location: Kanata, Ont Canada
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 at 21:27:00
Comments:
The talk about the Oscars show tweaked my memory to that most gruesome of Steely Dan moments, when Donnie Osmond sang the first two verses of "Peg" during some Miss Teenage America Pageant in the late '70's. It made me a touch numb, and my mother asked me what the fuss was all about, after I lost my sense of decorum and uttered the most graphic of expletives. I told her that she wouldn't understand, and sucked it up and listened to Donny butcher the song.
Ruby, you're right, we should "Walk, Don't Run" before we Venture into anything more involved.
Name: Geena
just woke up
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 at 19:07:06
Comments:
Clas: If you can't find him under the name David, try Jann or Henry and if you see him, tell him Beowulf sent you. Thanks for looking...love you!
Ruby: getting my music list together and shining up my high heels...how 'bout we start with Chain Lightening? a nice sultry start.
Ole: please don't forget to bring the stethescope and tongue depressors
Name: peg
totzke@usa.net
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 at 16:39:28
Comments:
Rigs: sorry I missed you... I wasn't paying attention.
Name: Joe M
JGMurtha@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 at 15:53:20
Comments:
Entry: Dan alumni log, stardate 2531998:
"Here At The Western World" and "True Companion" ace, Steve Khan, has produced a new volume of sonance featuring another Dan standout, Rob Mounsey, on keyboards entitled "You Are Here". Mounsey is also featured on vocals, computer, and percussion. This latest offering from the Kahn/Mounsey juggernaut is described by Flying Monkey as "an exploration of Latin and African influences and an adventure in sound."
Allman Brothers virtuoso percussionist Marc Quinones is also featured. (I saw this guy with Betts and crew back in '95 and he was just outstanding). Good reviews thus far... Sounds like a keeper to me!
Sound files available at...
http://www.flyingmonkey.com/sounds.htmlDamn Huskies...
Name: RubyBaby
dirty dancing
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 at 12:24:10
Comments:
Geena: Of course I'm with ya! Bring your list of fun songs - there's plenty of musicians in this room.Oleander: No hiding behind your patients' walkers! But your lab coat could be part of a great dance costume!
Question about Donald Fagen: Okay, so I understand DF was involved with Jay & the Americans, but what exactly did he do? I can only think of a couple of their songs: This Magic Moment and Do I Love You, and I can't hear him in either one! Also, does he ever do anything with Timothy Schmitt anymore? I thought those two were an unlikely pair. But not as unlikely as DF and WB, at least on paper!
rb
Name: Clas
what goes up must come down
Location: spinning wheel, got to go 'round
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 at 10:51:31
Comments:
Geena Baby Snake, according to the Secret Swedish Police your former boyfriend can't be found in Sweden. Maybe he changed his name?
I guess he changed his name.
Name: RUNE
Spinning the wheel in space
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 at 05:12:53
Comments:
Been listening to THE OLD REGIME lately. Cool to hear what the bastards did in the real early days.
Name: Roy.Scam
seen.life.still.can't.write
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 at 05:07:12
Comments:
Rigs: I think I projected exactly the opposite of what I meant to say. To me, Magical Mystery Tour is a great example of pop music at its best. (Don't forget Fool on the Hill and All You Need Is Love). As an admirer of large-scale film directors like Cameron and Kubrick, I was wondering if they could be as succesful in making musicians achieve their best.
fez: The actual title is "Lady Deborah, of the Williamsburg Deborahs, Does Williamsburg, But Only in the Most Tasteful, Upper Class Manner".
Was not "Barrytown" an intentional coincidental reference to Barry Goldwater, and ultra-conservatives in general?
RS
Name: Secret Ajan Man
kungpao
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 at 00:36:26
Comments:
Confucious say, "Man who live life by numbers seldom counts his blessings".
Name: clas
c@w (damm early)
Location: Watertown,
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 at 21:36:38
Comments:
Godmuurning!
RIGS; as my son put it when he first heard 11 TOW; - that man has seen life and he sure can write about it!
My absolute fave is the refrain on "Hat Too Flat". And also that dark, dark "Down At The Bottom". And the best with Beckers voice is that I can sing along in the right octava!
Helen Hunt! She is great!
Deutsche George, will you please email me? Forgot your email- address down at the countryhouse.
Cornyally, Clas
Name: Rigs
@1234whoarewefightinfor.com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 at 19:45:58
Comments:
Roy Scam
Magical Mystery Tour is not the Beatles' finest! However think before you speak. Any album that boasts such classics as Strawberry Fields, Penny Lane, I Am the Walrus, Baby Your a Rich Man, and ETC... should not be used as an example for negativity.If I misinterpted you, I send you my apology. But it sounded like you were saying the album sucks.
PS On first listening, I enjoyed 11 TOW. There were a couple that Ill need to grow on! Denifinte happy (<:) purchase. I enjoyed the attitude of it. WB isn't a Pavorotti, but he has a vibe for his range. Nice guitar work, and the fact this album sounds fresh. Overall, I was tappin' my foot with a smile!
Name: fezo
forestlawn.com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 at 16:50:49
Comments:
. . . and Robert Mitchum and a general reference to other dead people. I fell asleep too, just as well apparently; i was holding out for "Debbie does Williamsburg" as best picture
Name: Doc Kelly
Hear at the Dude Ranch
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 at 09:59:19
Comments:
Yeah, Jack really did mention Miles...
Name: Roy.Scam
dead.behind.the.wheel
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 at 09:41:07
Comments:
Mr.L.P.: Carl checked in with the guestbook a few days ago and seemed to be in good spirits (albeit, a little rusty on his math).
Name: MrLP
6feet
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 at 09:19:49
Comments:
Roy.Scam: Carl Sagan's dead, right? He's probably more pissed about that.
Name: Roy.Scam
not.my.jodie.F
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 at 09:03:52
Comments:
Not Leo: My questions are: Why is the Academy Awards show so much better than the Grammy show? If James Cameron, Oliver Stone, Kubrick and Speilberg ran the music business, would every album sound like "Magical Mystery Tour"? Did Jack really mention Miles? I fell asleep. Is Joan Rivers going to have the nerve to insult Helen Hunt for fashion negligence? Is Carl Sagan pissed about "Contact" being summarily ignored? Should Don & Walt turn their genius toward the movie industry where their over-budget, behind-schedule perfectionism would be appreciated? How long has Madonna been doing Franco Columbo's upper body routine? Is the Best Song category pointless or what?
Jodie, It's not mine,
RS
Name: not your Leo D.
Did Jack really thank Miles Davis?
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 at 07:49:25
Comments:
Q: What takes longer to finish than a Steely Dan album?
A: The *fucking* Academy Awards ceremony!
Name: Clas
c@w
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 at 00:18:19
Comments:
There's a shadow on the faces
Of the men who fan the flames...
Name: A Child Returning
burningsky
Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 at 22:52:01
Comments:
If I had my way, I would move, I'de materialize
Into your space, in your face, until we were eye-to-eye
I'de be ready when the band got down
Wherever in your town
And if your mom still grounds you
Then she'll ground youAnytime is the same old time
Anytime is the same old time
Anytime is the same old time
Over
A Long
Time Ago
Name: clas
c@w
Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 at 21:53:26
Comments:
Hi Mad Dog. I be there, yes I be there, and I won't take you alive.
Name: Slimmy, Friend of Yoko
giveseanachance
Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 at 21:48:08
Comments:
Well, the spike in my head has been extracted by our friends at Lilly Labs and I'm happy to say the South by Southwest Music Conference is now a pleasant memory rather than a painful reminder of rock & roll excess. Some highlights:
The line to see Sean Lennon was surpassed only by the duration of his mother's irritating vibrato.
The line to see Buddy Guy was easily 200 yards long. Not even my continuous phoned-in bomb threats had an effect. Damn right I had the blues!
I camped out at the "surf-grunge" pavillion which featured, among others, Los Straitjackets (Mexican wrestling masks meet the Ventures), and the highlight of the evening, Tito and Tarantula, known for their contributions to Quentin Tarrantino's "After Dark" soundtrack. By the way, both Tito's bass player and violinist were very competent (and attractive) females.
Also, I got to rap with T-Bone Burnet which is always a pleasure especially since he owed me twenty bucks.
More Midol PM,Slim
Name: oleander
inside her mouth, her foot
Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 at 19:08:29
Comments:
Mo' man--gee, that sounds a lot better! It IS a great verse, but I still think it doesn't fit with the other verses (in terms of theme)--but whadda I know. I'll take it wherever they put it; I do find it interesting that they cut it.
Clas--sometimes English to English is the hardest.
Maddog--hey, man, lighten up on Clas, OK?
Ruby, Geena--uh, first let me oil the wheels on my walker....Is there a ramp up to that tabletop? Can I dance in my orthopedic shoes?
Roy, Rigs--For months, 11TOW has been in the #1 spot on my CD changer. After its release, I listened once or twice and put it away--couldn't penetrate. Took me another 2 years to get hip to its depth and swept away by its power. It's found its way into my heart big time. I wish "Medical Science" were on it--for professional reasons, of course.
Hall & Oates had a great tune for this time of year--"One on One." I'm fond of their "Greatest Hits Vol. Oneandonly."
Name: Ben Folds
Not Worthy
Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 at 09:54:18
Comments:
Hey! Get my name offa the top of the GB!
Name: Mad Dog
Don't Take Me Alive
Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 at 09:49:54
Comments:
Clas If you really want to go to that Dan Vention in the USA, just stop drinking for lets say 2 weeks and THEN you should have plenty of money to get there!BTW if you are comming let me know ( I will bring my gun)
Later
M D
Name: again
yes
Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 at 01:23:38
Comments:
Ahhh, you mean FRENCH Geena !
I thought I wrote the ITALIAN translation from Browne's "Baby I'm the cat".Ole; see, somethings really got lost in translations sometimes.
Name: c
c @ w
Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 at 01:16:09
Comments:
Roy Scam; hey man, I don't DO spanish, but I liked to visit your Dan-vention! I really would, but I aint got the money. Is Hornsby there too, playing in Virginia? Damn, I should BE there.
Geena: French? (Oh my god, sometimes these posts are more cryptical than Fagen-lyrics)
Ruby; thank you Ruby.
Please, let's speak english now, OK?
Name: Ali
@jerkyboys.com
Location: Queens, Ny USA
Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 at 18:12:21
Comments:
Rigs--- " every 100 years" SPEAK FOR YOURSELF LIVER LIPS!!Have a nice day :)
Ali
Name: Geena
mezza luna
Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 at 18:09:39
Comments:
Ruby Baby: As time goes by, i realized that the shameless hussy inside of me was dying to get out and have fun, so i let her out! I'm glad that we're together in this...Let us don our 6" heels, raise our flag high and do the Stray Cat Strut over to Ole's place and persuade her to join her Babylon Sisters to complete our union of hussiness!
Clas: How can I post and not leave a message for you, mon cherie...your francais e magnifique! In the words of that infamous 70's trio, Labelle: "voulez vous couchez avec Ruby et moi?
"I only know I must obey/This feeling I can't explain away"
Ruby: Are you in on this with me girlfriend?
Name: Rigs
@remember .com'
Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 at 17:42:57
Comments:
Donald Fagan and Walter Becker are artists. Whether they put out an album once a year or once every 100 years shouldn't matter.
Art, Is passion! Music is something that moves you. No one has the right to say , "Gee this isnt as powerful as what I heard before, or what I feel should to come (meaning in the future)!Art is expression, it encompasses everything that makes our souls realize I don't live "in a humdrum life"! There is something out there that makes me feel dddddddoooooooggggggggg.
I got caught up in the VH-1 pole thang, and embarassedly so actually made comments on it. You can't judge someone from what they like and dislike. We all have 1 chance on this earth, and IT HAS TO BE realized to the True potential.
So, If you have a problem with the wait on the new album, or whether you liked, or (disliliked), a song on the latest tour, retract and think about what made you listen in the first place.
It was the art. Mind thoughts! Potential grasped from Human Beings.
If anyone has a problem with what I said, put on your favorite album (AND GET OVER IT) cus ya never no how long your gonna be able ta hear it!! NEMA!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: moray eel
Opps
Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 at 17:06:34
Comments:
A(n) excellent verse in my opinion,
m.e.
Name: moray eel
Race of Angels
Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 at 17:05:16
Comments:
Oleander:
My sentry trembles/
He feels the end is coming/
His face is scowling/
Inside he's on his knees/
If looks and dreams could surely kill/
He'd long be gone from here/A excellent verse in my opinion,
m.e.
Name: RubyBaby
s@ltydreams
Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 at 15:27:20
Comments:
Geena: FINALLY, another woman who's willing to get in touch with the shameless hussy inside - Alright! Now if only we can persuade Oleander to join us up here...Clas: I re-read your song. It's great!! I'm getting onto your wavelength. (let out The Girls and stray cats, throw out the bull and flat hats!) There's a fair amount of Becker in you...
royscam: cool
Anyone: Does Donald Fagen even have a vision anymore? It seems he used to. I think they could do well playing smaller venues.
I think there's a lot of room for new ideas here.Oh, clas: I already have an outline for the Cat Died song in my head. Words are forthcoming.
rb
Name: Roy.Scam
wrong.again.arizona.breath
VA
Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 at 08:32:49
Comments:
My son found the following quote in an article about the Mommyheads, a Beatles-sounding group that's lurked on the fringe of fame for several years:
"Each year during the '90s, the Mommyheads have piled into their big green van and headed across the country, playing every club that would have them. They've also put out a bushel of singles on various tiny labels. It all sounds very indie rock - all but the music, that is. "If you're an indie rock band and you start doing Hall and Oates covers and one of your great loves is Steely Dan," Cohen explains, "you're not indie for very long." "
Rigs: 11TOW is right up there with The Dan albums IMO. As a Dan fan, the first things I noticed were the absence of lyrical sparsity, polish, and vocal smoothness. But loved it anyway, especially the straightforwardness. Junkie Girl, DIT Bottom, Moody Bastard, BOL are still growing on me. I had the advantage of hearing no one else's opinion before I got 11TOW; I didn't even know there was a way to talk to other Becker fans at the time.---DW is definitely a Pete Ham sounding number. Did you know Pete Ham wrote Harry Nillson's biggest hit, "Without You"? (I liked Badfinger's version better; more punch, less roll.)--Nothing will ever measure up to the smart alec genius of Highway 61, but I'm old, what do I know?
El Claso: Su champion, Sen~or Hornsby viva en Williamsburg de Virginia. Venga usted al Danfestio, y, quien sabe? (Defenders del Flago).
Ruby: Your lyric blew the salt right off my pretzel.
Ole--Thanks for giving my work it's 15 seconds of fame.
Blisters on me fingers,
RS
Name: oleander
Roll over, Cerberus
Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 at 07:43:18
Comments:
Hank "You Got The" Silvers--You've forced me to get out my for-the-old-and-clumsy CD opener and delve into "Forward Into The Past." (Can someone familiar with the recording industry tell me why this exists? Who owns it, and how did they get the rights from Messrs. B & F?)
My sentry trembles/
He feels the end is coming/
His face is scowling/
Inside his arm, his knee/
If looks and dreams could surely kill/
He'd long be gone from hereDid I get that right? I can see why they dropped this verse. It doesn't really fit the verse structure. It sounds more to me like an imitation of Dylan's oblique image lists which somehow congeal into a powerful picture, as in "It's Alright, Ma." And wow, the whole demo is SO Dylan, it's funny. Is the "sentry" Pete the charmer, who spends a lot of time sitting on the front stoop? His hard life and hopelessness have chiseled themselves into his face and his whole body language, so much that if looks--and unfulfilled dreams--could kill, he'd be history. Usually, I think, references to things in someone's arm are drug refs, but I don't get that here. To spin some more, the "sentry" image fits nicely into Roy's id theory as a guardian at the gates of the bubbling miasma of the unconscious & all that other dark stuff.
So--I feel guilty, but I thank you for it.
Clas--That would be interesting, to hear him going around singing, "No foolin', it's a beeped-up world," but I just can't figure out how I'll answer him when he asks, "Mom, what's a junkie?" For God's sake, he's only three. Some things can wait.
Geena--honey, the riffs are infinite.
Name: clas
el'era del terzo mondo
Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 at 00:39:04
Comments:
For the record Dave88; I'm responsible for the Kinky-song, do you think a great mind like Lisa would write such crap?
Geena; Baby, je ne suis peut-etre pas / tout ce que t'ont promis les feuilles the / mais ca ira / je suis le chat / baby... je suis le chat...
Better that way?
Name: Geena
bored in Ice Land
Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 at 21:42:36
Comments:
Clas: does Geena sound like a spanish name?
well, maybe it could be, but i'm italian,
carino and i did understand a little of what
you wrote. Italian and Spanish are very, very
similar languages...the inflections are different.ti mando tanto carezzi
All: i wish SD would put out a new album or
re-release some old ones...or tell us about a
tour...something...anything...what can we discuss
here about SD that hasn't already been discussed?
Name: lisa
the sound of silence
Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 at 21:37:44
Comments:
lisa didn't say anything...but...
i really do miss him.
Name: dave
daves88keys@hotmail.com
Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 at 21:19:31
Comments:
I think it would be better if the talk is more about Steely Dan. First time in two months I turned to. Lisa: keys chords ain't tough.
Name: Too good
to be true?
Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 at 17:38:01
Comments:
Manhattan Divorce
Clas and Clean Kinky were in love they said,
So in love, Pat Beemer's face turned red
Soon everybody knew the thing was dead
He shouts,
He bites,
They wrangle through the night, oh.
Kinks go crazy, got to make a getaway,Lisa say,
O,
No hesitation, no tears and no hearts breaking, no remorse.
Oh, oh, congratulations, this is your Manhattan Divorce'He takes Ferrari over Washington,
Bon marche, he sing that silly song
He snorts the bumpy from a line so long
He feels
Alright,
He get it on tonight
My Ferrari, take me where the music playLisa say
O,
There's no gas left, no tears and no hearts breaking, take the horse.
Oh, oh, congratulations, this is your Manhattan Divorce'At the Bottom Line, in the greasy chair
Sits the YGK with lotion and the pinky hair
When he smiled, he said it all
The band was hot so
They danced the famous merango
Now we dolly back, now we fade to black.
Name: Slimmy, Possessor of Ear-Plugs
basheba
Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 at 17:16:26
Comments:
The schedule? Teisco Del Rey at 8:00. Chris Whitley at 9:00. And the son of our favorite dead mop-top, Sean Lennon at 11:00. It's the 3rd night of the South by Southwest music festival. It's Saturday night. It's the live music Capitol of the World. Life is too good without Kinky.
Bootlegs at 4:00am,
Slim
Name: c
shhhhh... my wife's sleepin'
Location: cookie, and the hawk
Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 at 16:27:31
Comments:
You do? In fact, I miss him so much I can't sleep. I'm sitting here in the night, watching my dog run in his sleep, listening to my wifes breathing, and I am crying. Where is Kinky! I guess he's gone for something bigger (!) and better. My life will never be the same. That's a shame! I tell you what snakehips, let's dedicate a homepage to him!
Name: lisa
s@d
Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 at 15:03:39
Comments:
i miss him too, clas...
Name: clas
Dali? Home or on a museum?
Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 at 15:00:38
Comments:
AJA, clarification; I am a feminist. Which means; I sit when I piss.
Ole; woman CAN rock. Specially Ruby. But please tell me, why can't your child listen to Junkie Girl? "Fucked up world"? Strange. Tape it and put in beeps. I guess you can't let him watch TV either.
Ruby please, rock me on the water!
Can someone explain the difference between Marshall - Sheriff and an ordinary police? I just watched this movie with Harrison Audi... no, Ford, and Tommy Lee J (dr Kimble, Haunted?) and was a little confused.
I kind of miss this former regular, this ehh... rich kid from Scarsdale. What's his name again? Kinkster? Please come back, all is forgiven!
C, NYPD
Name: oleander
melting clocks
Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 at 13:07:57
Comments:
Roy--...or the trap door?
Name: oleander
finally four?
Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 at 12:38:40
Comments:
Roy--Yes! the snakes in the basement! Damme for being so literal! BTW, I've tried them all, and these days "Marche Slav" seems to fit better.
WGB--You have to get up early in the morning to deke these alert GB'ers. They're professionals.
Mr. Nye--irradication = irradiation + eradication?
lovebob--Hey, can we get you to play at DanFest East II?
Clas--Kidding or not, how can you read Ruby's tune and say women can't rock? Babylon sister, shake it!
Mr. Stew--I know the feeling. My 3-year-old started asking for "Junkie Girl" in the car, producing an awkward parenting moment. Luckily, he's glommed onto "Do It Again." Once when he was listening to it, he asked, "Does this have Walter Becker in it?" I was impressed--until one minute later when he asked, "Does this have Walter Becker and Donald Fagen in it?" Kids say the darnedest things.
Name: Long Request for
Next Tour!
Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 at 07:37:15
Comments:
Boston Rag. Thank you.
Name: PRESS STOP
PRESS @ STOP
Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 at 06:12:56
Comments:
The New Album
Bruce's sixth album is tentatively scheduled for an early summer 1998 release. The tentative title is
"Spirit Trail." Recorded from November to March in Bruce's home studio in Virginia, as well as
additional recording in New Orleans and New York, the album will feature the band as well as additional
musicians, including John Leventhal on guitar and Canadian violinist, Ashley MacIsaac. This album
doesn't include the roster of "special guests" who played on the last two. Bruce said, "I decided to be the
ball hog this time."
Name: Bering "Damn" Straight
permafucked
Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 at 01:24:37
Comments:
Clas
Don't forget the Bush Pilots and their Piper Colts. If they can't wedge a tourist into God's country then what's Bruce Hornsby expected to do? Play to the roadies?
pack'n it up and tear'n it down,
Too Much Coffee Man
Name: clas
clas at ekliden hof
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 23:37:43
Comments:
My god, have you guys been up all night again? I've been sleepin' like a log.
Stewart - the schoolsituation in Sweden is terrible, the gov is cutting down and the teachers are pissed, I don't think you would like to work as a teacher here. But why don't come visit me? Take a ferry over to Russia, drive over Siberia and when you come to the Uralmountains just ask your way. (Anchorage, I was thinking of "anchor")
AJA; I've seen Joni Mitchell rock her ass off (her "Wild Things Run Fast" - tour), Rickie Lee Jones too, I saw Bonnie Rait on Letterman, she was great, and there are some real swedish female rockers here, so, I was just messing with you girls! Remember, I'm a feminist.
Geena; I was the one who wrote that spanish thing, I thought you did spanish! It was from J. Brownes "Looking East" - album, all lyrics are translated into german, french, italian and spanish. What the lyrics said is something like -Whatever you want me to do, name it, baby I'm the cat!
Ruby; yes, right on! If I write some music maybe you could write the lyrics? I got the song title already: "The Cat Died While He Was Walking The Piano At 6 AM".
Name: Aja
@gain
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 19:48:29
Comments:
Rigs - didn't mean to ignore you. 11TOW is wonderful, IMHO. Some people say it takes some breaking in, that it is a little rough for their SD tuned ears. I especially enjoy "Book of Liars" (especially the giggle in the middle). But I love it all. For me some of the tracks did take some getting used to, but now I wonder why I passed on it the first time I sample listened to it. Enjoy! Later, Aja
Name: Mr. Stewart
ddouble post
Location: impersonal, nice ?
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 19:15:54
Comments:
Clas: Godmorgon to you, tu. Anchorage? You're probably right about the sailor connection. We do have a port. Could an American dude get a teaching gig over there? I need a change of pace.
Oleander: We have # 79 heading up soon. Go look.
ZZZZZZ....
Mr. Stewart
Name: Geena
Monkey in my soul
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 19:14:31
Comments:
Ruby Baby: that was great! When Clas brings me that drink, i'll be up on that table dancing with you!
Soy el colega: pardone mi, non habla espaniol, pero, e possibile, se mi dico che hai scritto in inglese por favor?
Schwinn: Michael Bolton STILL has bad hair, however, i like your suggestions....Clas: my love for you will never die...ah-hem.....would you like Ruby Baby and I to do a little dance for you?
Name: Aja
h@ng on
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 19:11:15
Comments:
Wrong guest Book - Isn't SD just the grooviest!! I just love that funky fusion of jazz, pop, and rock with an acerbic ironic twisted sense of humor! Satisified?
Speaking of WGB - soon we'll have to add Bruce Hornsby to that admendment at the top of the GB, if only for the sheer number of times Clas mentions him.
Clas - you nasty Swede - I know your just trying to prove another point - but do you really think that women have been given the oppurtuities that men have in rock? Have they been taught, encouraged, promoted, paid like the men have? Of course some of the best - like thier male conterparts went down early or in their prime; Mama Cass, Janis Joplin, and others just don't get the airplay, promotion or R-E-S-P-E-C-T they deserve.
That aside - why isn't "Haircut 101" & "The Knack" on the Top 100? I mean don't "My Sharona" & "Love Plue One" just sum up the eighties pop music (aside from "Duran Duran", "The Bangles" and "The Go-Gos")?
Aja
Name: Mr. Stewart
rmech@alaska.net
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 19:06:49
Comments:
Roy.Scam: It was good timing: The kids got to the area where we gather in the morning just as "Your Gold Teeth II" was starting. I've always associated that song with children and I guess it has a lot to do with that line. The whole sound of the thing is positive and bright as kids are apt to be. I was watching them all get ready for the day and listening to Gold Teeth and, well, hells bells I felt lucky to have such a cool job. Thanks for the compliment, RubyBaby. Our class favorite CD? ----------> Nightfly. They don't pay attention to the lyrics so Green Flower Street isn't much of a danger, reeking of wine and kerosene as it does. I dare not, however, put on 11TOW. Walter, Couldn't it have been, "No futzing, it's a fooled up world," or, "No foolin', it's a MUCKED up world." Jees....can't even play your stuff at school. And BTW, Roy., if we want amorous adventures in Anchorage we turn to the VCR. Save me a spot at the table, St.Al, I'm movin' down to Seattle.
Mr. Stewart
Name: Wrong Guest Book
Thats right Again
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 18:10:10
Comments:
Ok Mw..Or anyone else for that matter, I am sick and tired of this Ben Folds Five SHIT!
I come here for my Steely Dan not some BULLSHIT college band!...I want my Steely Dan and I want it NOW!
Name: Rigs
oops. com
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 17:32:06
Comments:
Roy. Scam
Ignore repeat message, I forget to proof read.
Name: Rigs
oops. com
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 17:31:48
Comments:
Roy. Scam
Ignore repeat message, I forget to proof read.
Name: Rigs
oops. com
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 17:30:56
Comments:
Roy. Scam
Ignore repeat message, I forget to proof read.
Name: Rigs
oops. com
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 17:30:10
Comments:
Roy. Scam
Ignore repeat message, I forget to proof read.
Name: Rigs
@soho. com
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 17:26:54
Comments:
Roy.Scam
I just ordered Walter's 11 Tracks of Whack. It arrives on Tuesday. Do you have any opinions on that particular album, before I tantalize my eardrums to the first listening?
If you don't have Dylan's Time Out of Mind, it's a definite addition to add to your collection. I think he rekindled that same musical blaze of the Highway 61 Revisited time period.
Also, I listened to some Badfinger, late last night. A thought came to me. Dirty Work, Sounds like the kind of tune, that they would record. What do you think?
Name: Rigs
@katmandu.moc
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 17:10:52
Comments:
Roy.Scam,
I just ordered 11 Tracks of Whack. It arrives on Tuesday. Do you have an opionions on that album before I take my first listen.
Also, if you don't have it, pickup Dylan's Time Out of Mind.
I think he found the same energy he had from the time period he put out Highway 61 Revisted.I was listening to some Badfinger last night. Had a thought. Dirty Work sounds like the type of song BF would. Just a meandering thought.
Name: RubyBaby
pretzels, anyone?
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 15:29:34
Comments:
Clas: I'm not quite sure what you meant in your song, but it's cute. I just hope you posted first, THEN whizzed.
Here's the song that came to me while I was in the shower -
I'd love to tour the North land, as a dancer in a show.
Yes, I'd love to tour the North land, as a dancer in a show.
We'd have some fun, and share some laughs
We'd spin just like a record on a phonograph
I think I'd love to do it - over and over again. Oh, yeah.
Hey, Hey!
(slowly & smoothly, the gloves come off)
Well, I've never met Clasbaby, nor that RazorMan of mine.
No, I've never met the Major, but I gotta find the time!
Cause y'all look so fine inside my head
And Now's the time to do it, or so it's said.
We'll have ourselves a good time - over and over again. Oh yeah.
(whatever else has come off, I'm swinging it around. Catch it, somebody!)
With one foot on your table, boys
I'll take a swig of booze
You ask Why I'm so hot, I say
"It's these Tina Turner shoes!"
This song's a hill of fun, ain't it?
bob tedde: I wish I could be there tomorrow night!
rb
Name: Soy el colega
Mirando al este
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 11:35:16
Comments:
Geena, carino, paso bastante tiempo contigo para saber cuando estas deprimida. Pero siempre tengo una sonrisa a punto para animarte. Crees que me tienes domado, ya la veo. Pero cuando necesites cambiar de punto de vista.
Carino, soy el colega.
Name: mWorld
same as it ever was
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 09:42:27
Comments:
Ambition given way to desperation since there's no SD tour in sight?
Some Western World Ben Folds Five Tour Dates:
May 8: Las Vegas, NV - The Joint/Hard Rock Hotel On sale March 20
May 9: Hollywood, CA - The Palladium On sale March 28
May 10: San Jose, CA - SJSU Events Center Arena On sale March 29 - tickets via BASS.
May 11: San Diego, CA - 4th & B On sale March 21mW
Name: clas
c@c
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 08:18:45
Comments:
You think that no moron will come when you scroll down... Chuck Yeager, you are too cryptic to me, are you mean or are you kind? God, I'm tired, no wonder you Americans are crazy, always up at nights.
Schwinn, could you arrange something for me in Toronto? Anything.
Lisa, nice talking to you last night. Are you also up all nights? Amazing.
Name: Roy.Scam
bad.week.for.Bing.&.ET
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 08:08:52
Comments:
Schwinn: Sometimes it's a worthwhile concession to let the environment be controlled by the breakee (should that be ponyee?). Hypothetically speaking, of course.
Best SD songs for amorous interludes:
15-25: Bodhissatva
25-50: Show Biz Kids
>50: Third World Man**in some cases, Through With Buzz
Many of you will be excited to know that "Candle In the Wind" just surpassed "White Christmas" as the biggest seller of all time.
RS
Name: Big Fan
sleeping@work
Location: Anywhere, CT USA
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 07:54:42
Comments:
I've been listening to Live '96 tour CD for awhile now and IMHO the following:
1. Drew Zing blew the strings off Wayne Krantz. Guitar work is poor.
2. Walter should have stuck to his guns and not allowed any trumpet players. The all sax 93 sound was much better.
3. Jack of Speed and Wet Side Story do not make it as SD songs. Their lyrics are sub standard - not cerebral at all. I hope both of these songs get ditched for the new album.As for touring, our local radio station had the local concert promoter on last week and somebody called in asking if SD would be touring this year. He said no - they were in the studio recording an album - no big news other than no tour this year - bummer.
Hey St. Al - I don't know if you are a bball fan - or a Cougar or Huskie fan- is anybody crying out there today in the apple state? At work here there are alot of bleary eyed people. I would guess that productivity at the bomb factory is down at least 25% since everyone was up past mid night last night and then had to go to the emergency room for the coronary and having their heart restarted. Isn't March madness fun.
Name: bob tedde
MrSquonk@cts.com
Location: San Diego, CA 'merica
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 04:35:29
Comments:
One last call to arms: So Cal Steely fans unite. The Steely Damned Rears it's ugly head once again this Saturday night in the Catamaran Resort Hotel's Cannibal Bar. (in San Diego 'o course) Show Starts at 9 goes till 1:30AM. $.5 hrs. of LIVE Dan, and nothing but. Need more info Call The ROCKOLA 24hr Hotline @ (619) 558-1966. Or The Catamaran @ (619) 488-1081.
Ok Now Back to the BF5.
peas out
LOVEBOB
Name: Bill Nye the Seance Guy
rerunsfromnowon
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 at 00:02:02
Comments:
FUCK YOU SCHWINN! Inviting me to participate in the "Ultimate Wheelie" contest seemed fun if not exciting at the time. I trusted you, you BASTARD! I should have known something was up the way you were whispering with Robbie Kneivel before our unfortunate "accident". You didn't say anything about your aversion to ping-pong. As a matter of fact, you baited me with the Director's cut of Forrest Gump, knowing full well Forrest's mindless, repetitive "volleying" would bring out the full flower of my personal paddle! Do you realize how many children are going to suffer over my premature irradication? How many boys and girls are never going to know the thrill of constructing their own tennis-ball cannon? If you thought Barney the Dinosaur was intollerable just wait until me and McGiver exchange notes with Sagan! Look for the number of trailer-park alien abductions to increase markedly in April--and I strongly advise you stay away from Las Vegas!
Big Boys Don't Cryo,
Bill
Name: Chuck Yeager
speedo'soundbaby
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 23:24:46
Comments:
Clas,
In order to ease the sheer montonony of skimming the ionosphere in my A/C Delco X-1, I often relieved the tension by masturbating into an attractive hand-puppet my GOP friends had given me as a "performance" incentive. The puppet was made of the very fabric Marilyn Monroe had clutched to her crotch as she drew her last breath. I never doubted it for a moment as I "jettisoned" my little Chuckies over Sweden, where I'm confident at least one or two of the little buggers must have made it into your Momma's cervix at the precisely the same instant Daddy Clas bellowed your entrance into this big, beautiful world. Welcome home, son. My good buddy, Senator Glenn, wants to test you on the centerfuge!
Weightlessness is Yours for the Asking,
Daddy Warbucks
Name: Schwinn Unbridaled
saddlefaddle
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 22:13:17
Comments:
Roy--if you broke a pony to Michael Bolton recently then I pity your ability to control your environment--even hypothetically.
Clas--are you in the movies? Everyone's going there and I don't want to appear out of place. I knew the Toronto experience would be a good thing for you, and look! Chicks, fame, fortune cookies and other assorted perks. They say life begins at 50 but I prefer a constant 72.
By the way, you should really try to get the boys to record your lyrics. At the very least please have sex with Geena while listening to Michael Bolton. This could begin a new chapter in the Scammer's annals....
SEMB
P.S. I just killed the seance guy for levitating a ping-pong ball above his crotch. He was blatantly cheating and scaring the young bikers. You could say Bill has been "De-Nyed".
Name: Clas
and now I have to take a piss
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 19:55:39
Comments:
I'm with you Geena. You are lovely yes you're sly...
RUBY (be cool my little Bungy-Girl)
We're gonna let out The Girls and straycats
When Ruby comes back
We're gonna throw out the bull and flathats
When Ruby comes back to stay
We're gonna post in a row
Weep on the Book and fake it
Write down the words till Tasha say hey!
- Lay down your head and sleep now,
your Ruby is back!
Name: Geena
Biff'sbytheSea
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 19:32:28
Comments:
Clas: oh baby....you make my hot latin blood surge...i need you...i need you to say those words to me in the heat of passion...
Geena tried, she was halfway buzzed out of her mind
She was on the other side of a bottle of Jack
Clas walks in and her buzz begins again
just when she spent the last lira she could borrowAll night long, we would slur that silly song
and every word we slurred we drooledAre you with me Mr. Clas...
Are you really just a fantasy of a swede that i once knew..
Are you crazy, are you out of your mind
or just a man who's being kind
Have you done all you can do..
Are you with me Clas?Don't seem right, I've been waiting here all night
I've been waiting for the drink you said you'd bring to me
Carson Bay...where the swedish gentlemen play all day
I was searchin' for the lullabye you used to sing to meGeena buys, as she walks up to the guys
But imagine her surprise when she had no money
Are you with me Mr. Clas..
Are you really just a figment of her warped imagination
She's a babe hot for you
And you're an extraordinary guy
Have i finally got you...Can you hear me Clas....Are you with me Clas...
ok...it's silly, it's not the best i can do...but Geena tried!
Name: c
c
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 17:18:27
Comments:
what are you doing, if you got a chance, call me; countrynr. + 141 41820 or email me with your number.
Name: clas, perfectly OK
c at ekliden
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 17:10:13
Comments:
Lisa! I'm OK, I am happy, not drunk, I'm just rewriting songs to all the girls on the GBook. It'll take some time, you are the next in line
Name: mWorld
never@home.on.the.drivingrange.hak
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 17:02:58
Comments:
Doc,
Good to see you're still alive, how ya hittin' em?
mW (still leavin' the club face open...)
Name: lisa
friend of swedes
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 16:48:26
Comments:
clas? are you ok?
Name: El Vikingo, Supremo de la kneeboarding
... so fine so young...
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 16:41:48
Comments:
Geena
At Ekliden Hill,
People always stare,
They seem to care,
Hornsby music under pinewood trees,
Here at the nude ranch,
Far from the sea,Geena,
When all my dime dancin' is through
I run to youAt Ekliden Hill,
I've got time to kill,
Can't buy a thrill
Double Vodka in the grave tonight
I buried that bottle, I did that right,Geena,
When all my dog walkin' is through
I run to youUp on the Hill,
I think I'm OK,
Or so I say.
Hornsby music always sets me free,
Angular Steinways,
Sound good to me.
Name: El Vikingo
Darkness, darkness, no colour no contrast
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 15:13:53
Comments:
Pearl of the GuestBook
On the internet at Beemers place,
My baby's the pearl of the Guestbook
She's a charmer like you never seen,
Singing voulez, voulez, voulez, vous?
Where the Danfan spends his lousy nights,
Red beans and rice while he is reading
I must have her there's no way to fight
She is singing voulez, voulez, vous?And if you hear from Sunny Sam,
Won't you tell her I say hello
Please make it clear when her day is done
She got a place to goI scrolled alone down the Sign In Mile;
I met my baby between Stewart and the Razor
She stole my heart with her Eastcoast smile,
Singing voulez, voulez, voulez, vous?
She loved the million dollar words I say;
She loved the poems and the lessons that I taught her
She said she loved me and was on her way
Singing voulez, voulez, voulez, vous?And if you hear from Sunny Sam,
Won't you tell her I love her so
Please make it clear when her day is done
She got a place to go
5 cents, thank you
Name: MrLP
billing
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 14:23:38
Comments:
fezo: Glad you took care of that. I was busy doing some combined research on the related Fargo question and Mandy's issues concerning "sin" tax laws. I made three phone calls and went to the bathroom twice: $145.
res ipsa retainer
Name: fezonorth
don'tsueme.com
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 13:27:34
Comments:
Re smoker's rights in Fargo . . .
a quick search of the North Dakota Century Code reveals no law which specifically covers that topic. More generally, smoking is barred in "places of public assembly"--this means basically anyplace but your private residence--except for in designated smoking areas. Liability, however, only runs to the owner or supervisor of the area where the prohibited conduct occurs. And the liability is only $100 per violation.
Hope this helps. If you need further information, please contact a lawyer licensed to practice in the state of North Dakota. I am only licensed in Virginia.
That will be $280.
fezo
Name: Wrong Guestbook
Let's do it!
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 11:40:58
Comments:
I was wondering about the state law in Fargo, N.D. concerning smokers rights.WG
Name: Doc Kelly
Still here at the dude ranch - snoozin'
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 11:02:57
Comments:
YO! Obviously, there's still no news regarding concert tour or new CD... judging by the recent conversations... Jeez, isn't it about time to start booking amphitheaters for the summer?
Name: Mandy
daddy is a rare millionaire
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 10:32:54
Comments:
Get your syntax right fuckhead!
Name: clas
Take Five
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 10:22:30
Comments:
If this is Ben Folds guestbook how come there is no teenagers here?
Name: there will be no tricks tonight
there will be some tricks tonight
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 10:14:57
Comments:
Lisa; show me one (1) woman that can rock like Bruce Hornsby and Jackson Browne!
SaMaNtHa; yOu LiKe ThE WaY I TyPe Eh? i WiSh I cOuLd chAt ToNiGhT BuT My CoMpUtEr Is So SlOw down here so I would need a Valium the size of a hockeypuck while waiting for the program to start.
Name: Hank Silvers
Turning Balinese
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 09:27:30
Comments:
O'Leander: I never thought of "Brooklyn" that way. It assumes WB was telling the whole truth, but that quote does sound like a straight answer. (At least we can be sure he's not referring to Mitch Miller.)Now, what about that extra verse from the demo version? (You know, the one with Donald-does-Dylan vocals.) Any significance? Keep those fevered dreams coming.
Joe M., Doc Mu: Congratulations on the big payoff! The check is in the scan.
Name: lisa
gypsy queen in a f@iry tale
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 08:06:41
Comments:
clas, old bean: i'm sorry about my slackness with the email lately...been spending my midnights at the oasis, but that's where you gotta go when you're camels are tired...what's this i see about women rockers? oh clas, i've only been away for a week and already you are knee-deep in misogynist mire...
fezO, Oleander, & rOy (known collectively as knights of the sound table): the countdown is on peoples, and less than a month 'til the shindig...am i supposed to feel all tingly? i hope everyone is still able to attend...as the date draws near, we'll have to decide on a night...is saturday preferable for the main event?
any time during the weekend is swell for fringe activities...the fabulous oleander has a promising mystery game for us to indulge in...do you think the boys will be down to romp, girlfriend? sam and i are in there like swimwear...and btw, ole, sam is a friend from college and new to the dan...we will deflower her!counting towels to make time fly,
tai chiapet
Name: Roy.Scam
charm.her.under.me
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 05:11:45
Comments:
Schwinn: Let's say, hypothetically, that one's LAST pony was poked to the sound of Michael Bolton singing opera; but Michael is still nowhere near that person's Top 100. That's not a good sign is it?
Oleander: One of my all time favorites is Bob Seager's "Fire Down Below" a series of glimpses at urban characters and situations interrupted by a catchy refrain about something down underneath; a definite lyrical similarity to Steely Dan's "Brooklyn". I'm wondering if, at least subliminally, the 'fire down below' represents the same entity as the 'charmer under me'.
Possibilities: the psychosis that hides in every id, the muse that inspires creativity, man's inhumanity to man, passion, the devil (or as we say in the south, Beezle-bubbah), the primitive Altamira Man trying to break his civilized shell, or maybe it's that same neighbor that inspired Paul Simon to write "One Man's Ceiling Is Another Man's Floor."RS
Name: Schwinn
speakingintongues
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 01:09:37
Comments:
You know me--when the Self-Righteous Brothers start expecting a French kiss I'll be the first to plant one on 'em...
Rating bands is such a subjective conundrum. If you poked your first pony to Sweet's "Ballroom Blitz" then you're probably incensed at their zero showing in the top 100. All I can say is, "Hey, get over it!" I did...
One more thing. If we continue to teach the "Big Bang" theory then we will remain volatile creatures. The world is full of little men with big telescopes.
Routine Servicing Mission,SEMB
Name: clas
c @ countryside
Location: there's no city here,
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 23:48:20
Comments:
Deutsche George, thanks for your email, did you get my answer? This fucking computer could not screen the file you sent with thew mail, I'll look at it when I get home.
Seance Guy; the song is about Mark Spitz; DIVING to be a star.
Dr Mu; Bonnie Rait? Well I don't think woman should be in the rock-biz, it's mens music. Maybe if they are goodlooking they could go for backgroundsingers, maybe tambourins, but no real instruments. They just don't have the right attitude. And then they get pregnant and all that shit, tes monthly bleedings they have that make them very unpredictible, uhhh.
Name: clas
c @ countryside
Location: ther's no city here,
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 23:43:01
Comments:
Deutsche George, thanks for your email, did you get my answer? This fucking computer could not screen the file you sent with thew mail, I'll look at it when I get home.
Seance Guy; the song is about Mark Spitz; DIVING to be a star.
Dr Mu; Bonnie Rait? Well I don't think woman should be in the rock-biz, it's mens music. Maybe if they are goodlooking they could go for backgroundsingers, maybe tambourins, but no real instruments. They just don't have the right attitude. And then they get prgnant and all that shit, tes monthly bleedings they have that make them very unpredictible, uhhh.
Name: oleander
done up loose for dealing
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 19:37:42
Comments:
stevie--The city of angels.
Mocker--No, breech is right, as in "The gander is wearing breeches."
All right. It's scroll time again, and with apologies to the Kinkster, I've been listening heavily to "Brooklyn" and fever-dreaming:
This from the Sweet book: according to Mr. Becker,"the 'charmer under me' was indeed the character mentioned in their cryptic sleeve notes: 'President Street Pete is the beneficiary here.' He and his family had lived in the apartment below Donald Fagen. 'The song is just a bunch of things that the guy and his wife had coming to them, you know, for the indignities that they had suffered living in Brooklyn, sitting on the stoop and just shooting the shit about the Mets and that kind of thing for twenty years. So as you see the song does yield to a valid interpretation.'"
This is really a sweet song, with that kind of melancholy melody, a gift to a working-class guy with a lot of dreams and not much wherewithal. F & B come up with a great catalogue of wishes they would give him if they could.
Is "a race of angels" a choir announcing Pete's arrival? Or the group he should be part of? Then there's "a dish of dollars," money to spare that he can throw around, and a suite at Eden Roc, a hotel symbolic of Miami extravagance of the era. And what could be more luxurious than golf--for free--in the middle of the workday?
Second verse; his wife is always nagging at him about what they should have or be. F & B wish him an unfettered, voluptuous evening with "a movie queen."
I think the images in the last verse are breathtaking. Another card-playing image (stevie: how many songs have gambling images?), for a guy who plays who knows what, a little poker, a little euchre, but might imagine himself a swell at a posh casino with a slick new deck, from which aces leap out for him as from their loosened traces. (Ricky Jay got to me.) And the "piece of island"--what urban Northerner doesn't have one in his/her dream life? The last wish is utterly poignant, and a dazzling send-off: all the time in the world, and the power to do anything with it.
I never really got this song before; now it's one of my faves.
PS Roy--Zombies rule, and I don't mean as references in SD songs.
PPS--the submitter wishes to make it clear that all the above is IHHO!
Name: steviewondering
double@jeopaodie
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 16:41:35
Comments:
re:Skunk Baxter on lead vocals: Donald always let him sing 'My Old School'.....too bad Jeff didn't know the words!!
....didn't Katz and Nichols once pretend they were Becker and Fagen and do some shows in Tucson??....
Did Steely Dan ever tour for that great (not!) album Sun Mountain??
Steely Jeopardie: "Where would Kid Charlemagne go on a dare?...alone none the less????
....ah yes caffeine in the afternoon......does wonder things to the left side of the brain.......tap shuffle...off to Buffalo Bill ....hey....19.....forever...young...and the restless...stop...cut fade....to black....
Name: Rigs
JWL80
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 16:17:45
Comments:
Concert junkies in the West,
Read today, that Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, and Joni Mitchell are teaming up for a 5 city concert tour on the west coast.
May 14 in Vancouver
May 16 in Seatle
May 19 in San Jose
May 21 & 22 in Los Angelos
May 23 in Anaheim
A definite delight to tantalize the ear drums!
Name: RubyBaby
kanga1776@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 14:59:22
Comments:
RazorBoy: Just come around to see me once in a while. First things first!I like the way you talk. I like what Steely Dan has done for ya.
Anybody: Am I the only one that missed the Hollies on that dumb list? They were great!
A Long Cool Ruby In A Black Dress
Name: DrMu
we'llspiraldowntothatwheelinspace
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 14:20:45
Comments:
C: Bonnie Rait, the Queen of the Slide, uses her nail file to smooth out those shards. The all-time master of the Universe has to be Duane Allman though.
JoeM: Hey, I've got the same #!! What's the current exchange rate?!
Name: Alex Trebek
double jeopardy
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 13:55:13
Comments:
Who are:
1. Mike "White Lightning" McDonald
2. Royce Jones
3. David Palmer
4. Jim Hodder
5. Jeff Baxter
Name: steviedan
@sunny day in Berkeley
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 13:34:42
Comments:
mWorld: I too found Becker's vocals on 'Movies' perfect...and his version on 'Midnite Cruiser' admirable...I don't think Fagen was that keen on doing the old tracks too much...but hey that old stuff sounds great live, especially with a good back up band..their new arrangement of 'Rikki' (their Second Arrangement?) would have made Jobim proud....Steely Dan Does Bossa Nova (Verve 23856)!!!
Todays Ultimate Trivia: When Becker sang lead vocals on the recent tours he became 7th lead singer for Steely Dan, name the five other guys besides FAgen who sang for the 'Dan, mainly in concert, from 1972-1975.....
winner will be notified by registered mail and sent an autographed copy of Steely Dan Ultimat Trivia Guide (w/workbook and hologram projector) c.1998 all rights reserved (kids ask parents permission first, must be 18 years of age) not valid in Arizona, Pennsylvania or Utah)
Name: Joe M
JGMurtha@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 12:07:32
Comments:
Holy fuck, I'm a winner!
Name: Scarfum Earteer
S.Cargo
Location: St. Johnwithoutadime, RS
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 11:49:57
Comments:
The winning numbers in this parsek's Mizar5 lottery are:
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Name: mWorld
khillman@lightspeed.net
Location: Cowville, Moo.
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 08:36:42
Comments:
steviedan: More likely that Feldman played Vibes, as opposed to Porcaro. BTW, that '96 tour Becker 'Movies' vocal was a high point for me, just as distinctive and suited to the tune as Fagen's original (IMO). Enjoy that brew.
mW
Name: M.T.
Galápagos Islands
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 07:49:31
Comments:
Roy.Scam: I think you mean "*breach* of protocol."
Name: Roy.Scam
The.list.must.die
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 07:33:53
Comments:
Stop the presses: Unless I'm reading incorrectly, this evil list omitted the Rascals. It must be stopped before it infects our young. Not to mention the omissions of Jerry Lee Lewis, Marshall Tucker, Martha&Vandellas, Spoonful, Seager, Newman, Cocker, Zombies, and Youngbloods.
Rigs: Don't forget the Band's masterpiece "Southern Cross, Northern Lights" from 1974; the last of their great studio work. That was also the year of Pretzel Logic, Blood on the Tracks, and Good Old Boys; perhaps the best year ever for classic rock albums.--Yes, the Dan's studio discography shames just about eveyone. Sorry if my tone was serious or arrogant; you think it's easy living on an egomaniacal, know-it-all cloud?--Are you sure it's proper to take offense to my taking offense? That may be a breech of protocol.--"Why must I always be the thief?"
Velikovsky (aren't you dead too?)--Hoyle precede me in correcting Carl Sagan, and did it with more eloquence, but I thought he might need some help with the trash talking. He's not exactly the Billy Ho of academia.
RS
Name: Cathy Panagiotopoulos
cathyp@pettibone.com
Location: Lisle, IL USA
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 07:10:35
Comments:
Any news of a 1998 Steely Dan tour? Or something similar such as New York Rock & Soul? cp
Name: MrLP
listing
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 05:40:20
Comments:
Top 100? Where's the Marshall Tucker Band? And Skynyrd at 96 is an insult. Devo? Devo? Screw the R&R HOF, somebody's gotta fix this list before the whole pile hits the fan.
Name: Bill Nye the Seance Guy
etheror
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 01:17:21
Comments:
Clas: I know he's out there somewhere...
And what's with all you aging and / or dead scientists? Can't you get anything right? It's, "I'm DYING to be a star." "DYING TO BE A STAR, DYING TO BE A STAR, DYING TO BE A STAR"!
Forget next week's planned episode where I shake up some baking soda and vinegar to illustrate CO2 release. I'm scrapping that in favor of going over the Dan lyrics with an electron microscope!
Hey, Bring those Test-tubes and that Scale on Over Here!
The Seance Guy
Name: yaaawning
c@w
Location: watertown,
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 00:51:56
Comments:
Any news on Bruce Hornsby?
D'µ; yeah, I keep my vinyls too, but they're down at the Castle. I did not know the name of the horizontal slide was Pedalsteel. An ordinary slide, is that when you crash a Bourbonbottle and go bottleneck?
Name: Immanuel Velikovsky
yescarlsaganisdead
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 00:17:08
Comments:
Roy
Hoyle pointed out Sagan's flaw four posts before you did--and much more eloquently, I might add.
However I am still missing data on the Rolling Stone's top 100 albums of all time. Steely's place in the mix would certainly be appreciated--and footnoted in an upcoming issue of Science.
Bound to be a Star,
V
Name: john-david lucas
lraven@floodcity.net
Location: ?, Pa USA
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 22:52:08
Comments:
to the sounds that are within the limits of not having to deal with such things- I,a local rook who is playing bishop to the queen of flee,I gather my-self to say: don,walt and the definitive Dr. katz...swing low,swing high your unholy yet blest chariot into the new century. break some bones,throw ice cubes and settle for appreciation- little is better than musick; while there are many cognac continious evenings to give us a forget worth,at the least,worth remembering! so grateful those of us that HEAR what you have done- petty slobs are great at assuming- true staggerers ARE the art. If it takes great readers to make great writers,then so is musick. the collums have yet to be pushed apart and the temple to fall! go on knowing that there was never a home to go back to to start with...Finish with sounds lolitas will find their first hope- that wise gambits are won by and as well may some strange hermit of the grey greet the wonder with. thank you don and walter. ONLY THE BITTER ARE KIND- what KIND I hope we may NEVER know.
Name: Bodacious Cowgirl
goin' to erin out my braugh or something like that
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 21:24:58
Comments:
I apologize, but I'm feeling much to lazy at the moment to read the last zillion posts or so. Anyway, as far as top recordinggs go, in addition to our boys, I've gotta go with Yes--Close to the Edge, a work of art IMHO.
BC
Name: oleander
sick o lists
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 20:01:39
Comments:
Mr. Stew--Lynyrd Skynyrd was #96! Now you can go back to sleep.
stevie--that's dander. Try to get that feathered guy up, he'll peck your head off. Or head your pecker off.
Roy--Robert Johnson-->great, but a rock musician?
Sweet 16, come soon, and give these people something to do!
Name: Razor Boy
joebj@compmore.net
Location: Kanata, Ont Canada
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 17:37:11
Comments:
Ruby Baby: "And spend the night if you think I should."
Just a note of thanks to everyone who provided me with the answers to some questions I had on who played or sang on varous Dan tracks. Every time I think about the background vocals "See the glory of, The Royal Scam." either when I'm running or just otherwised engaged, followed by that evil guitar piece, it makes me shake my head at the power of their music.
That's why I think "Best Of" lists are written by subjective individuals who are desperate for an argument. Any one of the folks/groups on the "Top 100 of All Time" of Rock and Roll have produced a piece that has made me shiver, quiver or walk funny. But only one of them has been able to inspire me to spend my hard earned sheckels to listen to, fantasize, visualize and marvel about their words and music. And that's Steely Dan. They may not even have made the list, it doesn't dampen me enthusiasm for what their music does to me. It's at the top of MY list.
Name: Rigs
JWL80
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 17:03:02
Comments:
Dear Roy Scam
First of all, I like the The Band!
Second of all, I like Buffalo Springfield!Music From the Big Pink is one of my top 20 favorites. My highlights are Tears of Rage, The Weight, and that great Dylan cover I Shall be Released.
I also have Buffalo Springfield Retrospective, such good songs as Bluebird and For What It's Worth.You missed my point by taking my note seriously. If you compare total discograghies of Buffalo and The Band, Steely Dan stands up stronger in amount (total # of albums) to both the bands mentioned above. Make a greatest hits list of quality and radio played songs and both know who would have the longer list.
In conclusion, you can come down off your egotistical know it all cloud and kiss my REMEDIAL BOY A**!!!! Steely Dan is at least equal with those bands, but I think more
Sincerely Yours, Rigs.
PS Erin Go Braugh.
Name: steviedan
jig & reeling in the years
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 16:43:30
Comments:
Hey Truth: point well taken.....I just can't help but go into a tirade about Rock and Roll Hall of Famers....it was very traumatc growing up as a Steely Dan fan in the '70's among teenagers devoted to their Fleetwood/Eagles/Zep/Aerosmith/Kiss et al....and to this day I still meet people who can't stand Steely Dan...."I hate the way that guy sings..!"....
and to still have the same doo doo heads from the '70's in my face 20 years later ..really gets my gander up.....
Dan Trivial Trivia: 'Everyone's Gone To The Movies' lineup (just a guess) Fagen: lead vocals
Porcaro: drums, vibraphone
Feldman: percussion
Wilton Felder: bass
Shirley Mathews etc: backing vocals
...interesting that Becker did lead vocals on this one on the '96 tour....blah, blah, blah....I'm gunna have a Guiness....
Name: The Truth
Hurts
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 14:53:52
Comments:
Stevie: You're taking one of the many points that I made and refuting that only. What I meant was that their not making an album in 18 years COMBINED with their "cool" reclusiveness at the peak of their career is not helping them with any music polls or hall of fame inductions in the 90's.
Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles in the 70's were always touring, always doing interviews, and everybody knew what Joe Walsh and Stevie Nicks looked like.
And don't bring up the stuff about producing and solo work, this is not what it's about. Besides, I don't think their affiliation with China Chrisis is going to win them any popularity contests with the masses. And as far as calling Alive in America one of the greatest live recordings ever, hell, the unmixed St Louis bootleg sounds better than that!
But maybe they're starting to agree, regretting their youthful tactics, and have decided to be a little more accessable in the 90's. After all would O'Fagen and McBecker have wasted their time greeting us fans at the height of their career?
Name: D'Oµ
cathouseblues
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 14:41:15
Comments:
StevieD: Have to agree..and NYR&SR sounds even better from an enginerring standpoint. Crap, the songs that didn't make onto Gaucho (2nd arrangement, Kulee Baba, Can't Write Home About You) are far superior to anything the Iggles or MacAttack have release since 1980 (or before that for that matter). Some credit is due: Henlley as you mentioned can pen a pretty darn good song periodically, and Buckingham is a decent producer.
C: Checked the old vinyl cover of CtE (thank goodnes I've kept it). Liner notes, etc, are often missing on the CD versions. Sure enough Derringer was on slide on Show Biz Kids...with Skunk on pedal steel (a completely different instrument, horizontal you know). I can't hear any pedal steel on Katy Lied...could have been snuck into Black Friday?...I've been told it's pretty damn hard to master.
Name: Donald O'Fagan and Walter McBecker
O'Reillys on 34th
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 13:45:04
Comments:
HAppy Saint Paddy's Dan Guest Book Kids
Name: steviedan
st.paddy.org
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 13:41:43
Comments:
Hey Truth Hurts:
It's interesting that over the past 18 years both the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac have put out virtually no music worth mentioning (save some descent songs by Don Henley) while Steely Dan players
Fagen and Becker have put:The Nightfly- Perhaps the best digital recording ever....
Flaunte The Imperfection-China Crisis with Walter Becker- One of the best "new" music albums of the '80's
Kamakiriad-All criticism aside, one of the best albums of the '90's and despite being credited as a Fagen solo album is actually a close steely collaboration
Alive In America-One of the best sounding live albums ever that contains a killer funked up version of 'Josie'.........Fleetwood Mac serves up a note for note live 'Greatest Hits' slice of shit.....geez maybe the "original" Steely Dan should get back together and perform Can't Buy A Thrill in concert..."Ladies and Gentleman: David Palmer.....Jim Hodder(back from the grave) and Skunk Baxter.....one night only....here's your host Jerome Aniton......"
Name: StAl
justdoinmypart
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 06:10:59
Comments:
Yhe winning numbers for the delaware state lottery are:
Midday Pick 3 1-2-9
Middday Pick 4 9-3-3-6
Winning Hand KC-5H-8H-QD-3S
Evening Pick 3 5-6-7
Evening Pick 4 3-7-6-3
Daily Million Lotto
Red 17-20
White 10-18
Blue 8-11No thanks needed. Just doin my part
StAl
Name: Roger Slade
rslade88@aol.com
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 05:41:43
Comments:
Here's a cool picture of the Donald.
http://www.mccartneymultimedia.com/eyeslive/donaldf.htm
Name: clas
mätdons- och kalibreringssytem
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 05:33:17
Comments:
Traffic is cool. I was just a kid when I saw them here in Stockholm. Damn, I miss that Flower Power-shit.
Hole in my shoe,
c
Name: Roy.Scam
up.on.cripplecreek.without.a.paddle
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 05:19:39
Comments:
Rigs: I'm offended. With all the perfect examples of undeserving bands on THE LIST, why would you cite The Band? Take the time to listen to one of their records some time. I agree with you in one respect though: Any list of any kind that places (no offense) U2 and Kiss* above the Band is clearly the product of excessive drug use. And no mention of the Dell Vikings ?!
*(If you're a Kiss fan, you probably enjoy being offended.)
My favorite thing about the list is that it includes a person whose recording career consisted almost entirely of making some self-accompanied tape recordings in a hotel room 60 years ago. Now he's, deservedly, one of the top 100 rock acts of all time. Don't that make a hellhound bite your ass?
Mr. Sagan: 57=3 X 19 (very unprime). Do your research before you try to mix it up with the real thinkers.--Don't bring your sorry assed game to our court till you put on a few more inches of medulla, Remedial Boy.
RS
Name: The Truth
HURTS!
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 00:49:14
Comments:
QUESTION:What happens when you refuse to do interviews, refuse to tour, refuse not to let anyone know what you look like and then take 18 years to make another album?
ANSWER:
You come in 30 spots behind Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles and come in at #57 on the VH1 Best Band poll.(well, it must have seemed like a good idea back then)
Name: Wrong Guestbook
?
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 00:32:50
Comments:
Does anyone have last Saturdays Delaware State winning Lotto Numbers?
Name: clas
c@w
Location: looking west,
Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 at 23:49:07
Comments:
Stewart; godmorning. In Swedish; godmorgon. Has the name Anchorage anything to do with ships and sailors?
Geena; I'm working on it.
Lisa; where ARE you?
Dr Mu; yeah, you are probably right. Must be Derringer.
Is there's any slide on Katy Lied? I don't remember. There's a slideguitar standing next to Dias on the Katy Lied session photo in Hoskyns book. And who is hiding behind the cymbals? Porcaro? And who is sitting in (on?) the sofa looking out on the guys from the controlroom?
Name: Frederick Hoyle
canthandledeadscientists
Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 at 23:07:45
Comments:
Carl
Please be a good ghost and make your stand at the pearly gates. "57" is NOT a prime number. The 19th prime number is "67"--an age you never saw due to an affliction you'de never heard of! C'mon, be a sport and save your input for Vishnu, the seven armed goddess that best represents your view of the universe. The people who frequent this page are into accuracy, not SETI!
Gotta Play Cards With Gramps,Sir Frederick
Name: Carl Sagan
integersareus
Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 at 22:48:56
Comments:
Cool. SD's Katy Lied is voted the 57th best R&R album of all time by Rolling Stone AND SD is voted the 57th best R&R band of all time by VH-1. Conspiracy or just a penchant for the 19th prime number? This calls for a guest appearance by Jodie Foster!
Donning My Action Vest,The Wolfgang of Cornell
Name: Rigs
JWL80
Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 at 22:23:31
Comments:
Had a real groovy time chattin with yas lastnite. Lost on the redneck and peepers thang, but I guess there's one in every bunch! Anyways, have a good night.
PS I still dont understand how bands like Buffalo Springfield and The Band and so on and so on (not meaning to offend their fans), got into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame and not Steely Dan.
I think I figured it out. Remember Woodstock and "Don' t eat the brown acid Don't eat the brown acid." The voters went to the hippie section of the hall to vote recently. They found this little broken plastic baggie and said "what is this doing here." As each one of the voters passed around the the bag pondering why it was there, the lysgeric seeped into there fingertips. They started thinking about who to vote for. Things became foggy and all they saw was fire.
So, to make an overly long story short. I Have a list of next years inductees. The rules have changed. The list reads (not meaning to offend)
John Denver
Spandau Ballet
Twisted SisterCould ya imagine these voters on Heroin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sincerely, Rigs
Name: Geena
languid and bittersweet
Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 at 18:58:00
Comments:
i just can't seem to get on the net and not stop in just to say "hello everyone"!
wow! lots of long posts here tonight...
Clas: the big swede is still walking on two legs...i see you haven't gotten to him yet...
Name: fezonorth
nightoftheexpandingman
Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 at 16:38:03
Comments:
hmnnnnn,no basketball to talk about for four days and the just posted cricket rules seem obtuse at best so i turn my attention to the VH-1 list . . .
what the hell is James Taylor doing on there? i'm sure he is a nice guy and having seen him in concert recently, i can testify he is still in fine voice, but one of the top 100 artists of all time? get a cab.
On the otherhand, kudos for the selections of Miles Davis and Roy Orbison. I'm a recent convert to Miles and worship at his altar almost daily. He blows me away.
And Roy . . . check out Black n'White Night, the soundtrack to a HBO special from the 80's featuring Orbison, Springsteen, Costello, and Waits from the VH-1 list. A great CD. Roy's voice never aged.
fezo
Name: Mock Turtle
mt@galápagos.com
Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 at 15:10:37
Comments:
It's hard to rank bands in order when they are all so different, but perhaps equally "good."
I'm just a youngster, but my pick for most overrated band of all time (drumroll please): The Grateful Dead.
Name: Not Quite Cricket
@the hospital
Location: Chula Vista, Ca.
Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 at 14:35:43
Comments:
Wrong Guestbook is right, cricket is vastly under-appreciated, so if we're to discuss it, let's have some proper background:
A Few Words about 'Cricket':
---------Cricket
is a ball and bat game played chiefly in Great Britain
and Chula Vista, Ca. It is played by two opposing
teams of 11 contestants on a level turf, measuring about
525 ft (160 m) by about 550 ft (170 m). Two wickets are
placed 66 ft (20.12 m) apart near the middle of the field,
each consisting of two wooden crosspieces (bails)
resting on three stumps. Batsmen of the same team
defend each wicket with a paddle-shaped bat against
opposing bowlers, who try to knock down the bails of
the wicket. When the opposing team charges the defender's bails, the batsman attempt to knock the living shit out of these brave folks with their flat paddles. Lemme tell ya, those bats sting like a bitch, I caught one in the kindney a fortnight ago that colored my piss-water for 3 day solid. If a batsman hits the ball far enough so that he and his partner can run (or even limp, really) to exchange places, a run is scored. Batsmen are retired if the ball is caught on the fly, if their balls are caught by a bat, or if the bails are knocked down. A game may require several days to complete, as keeping score becomes something of a problem when everybody's got a bat and a bad attitude. Cricket probably was developed in medieval England before 1400, somewhere around the time they outlawed feeding people to lions for sport. Australia and Britain compete in a famous series, but I forget the name and its not in March, so perhaps we should continue this later...I now return you to the guestbook, where (for your safety) HTML tags are no longer allowed, but where talking about 'whatever the fuck you want' is always encouraged.
Name: Slick Willy
and the hand jive
Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 at 10:17:48
Comments:
$ome turnout, a hundred grand$
Come clo$er to my groping hand
You're hysterical and don't understand
The questionmark that's the shape of my "little man"
Be part of the sisterhood
It's Chain Lightining,
I'll feel you up good
...fade to black
Name: and a VeryHideous1
list it is
Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 at 09:54:40
Comments:
It looks like they just stuck 250 names in a big old hat, pulled out 100 and called it good.
Name: Hello
It's me
Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 at 09:47:30
Comments:
RazorBoy: Wild Thing, You Make My Heart Sing!Mr. Stewart: How I wish I was 7, in 2nd grade and in your class! I am certain those kids will never forget you.
RubyBaby
Name: Here's the link
VH1 List
Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 at 09:33:57
Comments:
03/15/98- Updated 04:24 PM ET
Best rock artists list
A list of the top 100 artists in rock 'n' roll history as voted on by
musicians whose videos have appeared on the cable network VH1:1. The Beatles
2. The Rolling Stones
3. Jimi Hendrix
4. Led Zeppelin
5. Bob Dylan
6. James Brown
7. David Bowie
8. Elvis Presley
9. The Who
10. The Police
11. Stevie Wonder
12. Ray Charles
13. The Beach Boys
14. Marvin Gaye
15. Eric Clapton
16. John Lennon
17. Elton John
18. Prince
19. Pink Floyd
20. The Doors
21. Aretha Franklin
22. Fleetwood Mac
23. The Eagles
24. Bob Marley
25. Van Morrison
26. Chuck Berry
27. Bruce Springsteen
28. Sly & the Family Stone
29. U2
30. Neil Young
31. The Clash
32. Joni Mitchell
33. Queen
34. Buddy Holly
35. Otis Redding
36. Little Richard
37. Al Green
38. Elvis Costello
39. Miles Davis
40. Michael Jackson
41. Janis Joplin
42. Nirvana
43. Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers
44. The Jackson Five
45. Crosby, Stills & Nash
46. The Sex Pistols
47. Creedence Clearwater Revival
48. Van Halen
49. Roy Orbison
50. R.E.M.
51. B.B. King
52. Cream
53. Peter Gabriel
54. The Grateful Dead
55. The Byrds
56. The Kinks
57. Steely Dan
58. Sam Cooke
59. Bo Diddley
60. Earth, Wind & Fire
61. Smokey Robinson
62. Paul McCartney
63. Sting
64. Frank Zappa
65. James Taylor
66. Talking Heads
67. Kiss
68. The Allman Brothers
69. Pretenders
70. Stevie Ray Vaughan
71. Rod Stewart
72. Simon & Garfunkel
73. Muddy Waters
74. The Velvet Underground
75. Curtis Mayfield
76. The Bee Gees
77. John Coltrane
78. Billy Joel
79. Aerosmith
80. Tina Turner
81. The Band
82. Devo
83. Iggy Pop
84. T. Rex
85. Carole King
86. Madonna
87. Santana
88. Ramones
89. Johnny Cash
90. Tom Waits
91. Gladys Knight & the Pips
92. The Temptations
93. The Four Tops
94. Diana Ross & the Supremes
95. Robert Johnson
96. Lynyrd Skynyrd
97. Fats Domino
98. Traffic
99. Parliament/Funkadelic
100. Paul Simon
Name: DrMu
awoolybeastwithoutaname
Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 at 08:27:14
Comments:
RS: Yes, it looked like a popularity contest rather than a serious list: a real hodgepodge...I had a good laugh. The Dan were stuck at 57 between The Kinks and Sam Cooke? Also, 'Trane at 77 between the Bee Gees and Billy Joel? Miles Davis at 39 between Elvis Costello and Michael Jackson? Madonna at 86 between Carole King and Santana?? When 98, 99, and 100 are Traffic, Parliament/Funkadelic, and Paul Simon, you have to wonder: what were they smoking in the "war room?" Anyway, there's supposedly a 5 day intermittant countdown on VH1 beginning Mar 31. So look for a Dan (are there any?)/Donald Fagen video near the end of day 2.
C: Because of the vague credits, I can't be completely sure, but it sounds like Derringer on Show Biz Kids and Skunk on Razor Boy and Pearl.
Name: george spencer
gms777@aol.com
Location: knoxville, tn us
Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 at 06:27:23
Comments:
16 March 98Dan-Os--
This an obvious newbie question, but here goes:
Is there any talk of a Dan summer tour this year or any tour talk at all?
Thanks,
George
gms777@aol.com
Name: Roy.Scam
rode island and put away wet
Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 at 05:13:57
Comments:
Let's see, there's the Beatles and ..uh.. what were those other 56 bands that finished ahead of Steely Dan?
Schwinn: I haven't caught up with the new math yet, but I guess a change of stylus would have done me good. Maybe I can change my read-head.
Mr.Stew: You played Mr. LaPage for the second graders? Did they want to meet him?
Well, no basketball till Thursday. What do y'all want to talk about? (David Koresh WOULD be an interesting subject.)
RS
Name: Not my ~
not my tild@
Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 at 21:52:47
Comments:
Surly Walter,
I crossed an ocean to visit you once upon a time, but you've got the surname wrong. Get it right and send the invitation and I will be there.
XOX,
Irving
Name: Bobby O
@aol.com
Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 at 18:58:33
Comments:
Peter Gunn has it!
Name: Lester the Nightfly
CC73647@aol.com
Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 at 15:30:52
Comments:
#57?!?!?!?!?!
This sucks, where's the crack?
Name: maj©
frontier@uscom.com
Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 at 15:05:51
Comments:
In Syracuse, there's two seasons: Winter and....basketball. Let's go OR-ANGE!
In the snowy winters of Syracuse University we survived on Dewar's Scotch for heating fuel and heavy doses of Dan. That was when CD's were *newer* and life was like a verse out of Glamour Profession.
Hello to all the Syracuse-area Dan fans on the line.
maj
Name: Mr. Stewart
yawn...stretch
Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 at 09:07:11
Comments:
Gawd...Thanks, Clas...Must've dozed off there and christ! Look at all of the daylight we're getting. It's Spring Break for us...31 degrees and cloudy. I love Anchorage.
Played B side of Katy Lied for the second graders the other morning and it put us in a good humor. We schemed...we ran wild.
XOXO
Mr. Stewart
Name: Reading a
Poll
Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 at 08:06:25
Comments:
Steely Dan was voted #57 of top 100 bands in rock and roll history in VH1 poll of musicians.
Name: c
c
Location: x, x x
Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 at 02:14:59
Comments:
Schwinn: Are you up early or are you up late?
Dr Mu: Both Derringer and Skunk played steel on CTE, are you sure that Skunk played steel on Pearl of the Q.? If you are, you make me disappointed cause I've always thought that Derringer (sun of a gun?) did.
Name: Schwinn
holymoly
Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 at 01:59:34
Comments:
Roy
Let me get this right: If you are "two pluses" past thirty, and I am three months from forty, does that make me "a quarter-plus to forty"?
A quarter shy of quatro?
If this is correct, then I'de like to remind you to change your stylus every tenth-of-a-plus of play.
Trying not to Oversample,
SEMB
Name: Sir Clas von Lundkvist
Sir @ work
Location: St John, without ei dime
Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 at 01:47:02
Comments:
The boys also wrote Royal Scam.
Name: Return to Brexnda
fireballXL5
Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 at 01:17:26
Comments:
Gosh, I wish I were a spaceman!
Too bad I'm pursued by the Gangster of Love.
Oh where is my Cowboy?
Through with Buck,
Brenda w/the Demon Deacon Blues
Name: Spaceman
JWL80
Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 at 17:15:55
Comments:
Razor Boy,
Skunk Baxter played that great solo on Rikki (read in great article in Guitar Magazine.) I thought he played pedal steel on Pearl (cuz he played all the slide work on Can't Buy a Thrill).
The background singers on The Royal Scam were Donald Fagan, Vennatta Fields, Clydie King, Sherlie Matthews, Michael McDonald, and Tim Schmit.
Hope this helps you!
sincerely, Spaceman
PS Danger Will Robinson
Name: DrMu
I'll POST just what I feel
Location: St.Al's Prime Directive,
Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 at 15:08:00
Comments:
RB:
1. Skunk
2. Skunk
3. Victor Feldman, Donald Fagen?
4. Some or all of the following: Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Sherlie Matthews, Michael McDonald, Tim
Schmit
I'll have to check on 3 and 4
Name: They shoot horses
don't they?
Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 at 13:45:25
Comments:
Roy.Scam THe boys also wrote Don't take me alive but we don't discuss David Koresh. Is that the next topic?
Name: Wrong Guestbook
Ithink?
Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 at 12:28:06
Comments:
Aja I am new to the guestbook, how did you know? Well I think your right, when I went to the NCAA guestbook today a conversation broke out about Jeff Baxter's solo on My Old School.Would anyone here like to discuss Cricket?
Name: Roy.Scam
immersed.in.hoop.euphoria
Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 at 07:54:48
Comments:
WrongGB: True. But the NCAA tournament is probably the most interesting sporting event in existence (with apologies to you Tractor Pull and Wrestlemania crossovers). We should be allowed to at least mention it in passing. Besides, didn't D&W write Glamour Profession and Deacon Blues?
Minah: That alternate version of "Smoke" is also available as the "flip side' of a single, as is another great BF5 song called "Mitchell Lane". The alternate "Smoke" is not much different from the other version; they have strings doing the parts that Ben Folds usually does on the melodica (or some similar Fagen-like gizmo.)--Even if it becomes a cliche' or a crime, I adhere to my bandwagon stance that Ben Folds Five is one unmistakeably great band. I made a similar statement about another band in 1974 and I was right then.
Razor: Todd says we gotta get you a woman.
It's March, and I wish I could jump,
RS
Name: c
close to the edge
Location: down by, the corner
Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 at 03:23:47
Comments:
AJA; Catch Bull at Four!
(but really, if you wanne hear good piano- rock - go for Hornsby instead)
RUBY again; thank you very much for the music! Great music, a good singer. I was a little sceptic when you wrote that he was a former Kansas-member. But that man can sing! Yeah, I also hear lot's of Mc Cartney in him. Thanks! (great bass-player too)
mr Stewart; get up from the sofa, wake up!
Name: Aja
SIERRALUNA@prodigy.net
Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 at 00:54:27
Comments:
fezonorth - Beautiful survivor is a line from DF’s "Kamakiriad" first cut “Trans-Island Skyway”
I love Walter BUT - I happen to like both WB’s and DF’s vocals. Of course I am attuned to a preference for DF on SD, but I’d like to hear a few cuts on the next SD album with WB’s earthy tones. What I’d like even more is to hear WB do *all* the SD songs, and DF do all the one’s he didn’t do and a few of WB’s songs like “Moody Bastard”
Clas - If Tasha fails to catch that CD you can toss it my way, I have not had a chance to hear the CD, only cut of BFF’s I’m really familiar is “Brick”, but the kids sound promising.
Wrong Guestbook - DanFan Guestbook = DanFan’s spouting opines about anything they like. I don’t know where the “Temple of Dan” is where genuflecting to the Gods of the
studio is, maybe you could build it, surely there are other fans that (like yourself) prefer their worship of heroes separate from other discussions or even open criticism of DanFan’s object of affection. BTW, if your new to the GB, Welcome! and come back soon.steveedan.org - Thanks for the infoupdate, and BTW, it’s cappuccinos (I wonder if too much caffeine contributes to typos).
VD III - Well, I feel compelled to warn you that signing as VD anything is likely to bring to mind veneral disease to those of here at Twentieth Century’s End. Glad to hear that the Dan survived any possible trashing. If you some how can make the trip from your temporal plane to mine I’ve got an old stereo with turntable *and* 8 track player I’ll trade you that stereo for all that good SD music that has come out since now.
Aja
Name: c
c@w
Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 at 00:09:43
Comments:
Steel on Pearl of the Quarter, Rick Derringer.
Ruby; be ready to catch it saturday morning, I mean, let the girl be ready to catch it.
Geena; that' a deal!
Name: Razor Boy
joebj@compmore.net
Location: Kanata, Ont Canada
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 22:13:45
Comments:
Ruby Baby - "I saw the light in your eyes." Todd Rundgren sent me this email - He was too shy to send it or post the message himself. I told him that "Every time I see you, (Ruby, not Todd) baby my heart cries," to which he begged my foregiveness for being insensitive.
I finally feel comfortable enough asking these questions on the guest book, but to paraphrase John Lennon from his 1980 interview in Playboy (I only buy it for the "Playboy Advisor"), "record companies are too fucking cheap or inconsiderate to put the words to every song, and who played them, into liner notes. In Canada, I have liner notes for "Gaucho," (and DF's solo efforts) but didn't get that great "Aja" double jacket I saw years later while shopping in Syracuse, N.Y. So, please tell me who:
- played that great guitar solo in "Rikki Don't Lose That Number?"
- played pedal steel on "Pearl of the Quarter?"
- played the vibraphone or whatever, and sax on "Everyone's Gone to the Movies?"
- sang background vocals on "The Royal Scam?"
No rush, just whenever anyone feels like posting it here on the GB soon.
Name: oleander
married to Mr. Basketball Jones, thank you
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 19:11:42
Comments:
Drive into springtime....18 degrees and snowy. Clas & Mr. Stewart would be right at home.
Djed--isn't that Dr. Mu?
Docteur Moue--just can't do it. I'm not linear enough. And as a Gemini and adult-ADD type I just jump around with equal delight to all of them.
I heart W/D--it's been said many times, but I'll take whatever they dish out.
Mr. La--man, your id is as bad as mine.
Happy Friday the 13th (second one in a row)
Name: Jan e
Yakov Est@aol.com
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 18:51:49
Comments:
Would somebody please tell me what is Ben Fold five music like?
I have never heard of it before.
Name: Jan E.
Yakov Est@aol.com
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 18:42:27
Comments:
steely dan biggest fan
Name: I love Donald
BUT
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 18:35:40
Comments:
Come to think of it, I love Donald's butt, BUTI refuse to buy the new one if Walter isn't singing.
Name: Geena
Tulio Brothers Trucking Co.
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 17:40:27
Comments:
Clas: I love a man who will fight for his woman...if you ever dated me, you'd remember!!! My lost swedish friend's name is David Hartwig. From what i remember he's 6'5", 270 lbs, blond hair and blue eyes and the name sven pisses him off too...if you find him, please beat the living crap out of him for me...please...and i'll try to get you the best seats in the house at the next SD concert....tanto baci!
Name: I love Walter
BUT
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 17:15:28
Comments:
Any feed-back on this thought?I thought the ONLY reason Walter would sing during the concerts was to give Donald a rest.
Ok, the NEW Steely Dan record is coming out and the rumor is that Walter is singing on it.
Now don't get me wrong, I really like Walter's vocals and I loved "Hard up case live" but if I'm waiting 25 years for a new SD record I JUST want to hear Donald!!
How about a Steely record with just Donald singing and then a release of another Walter record..I would like that much more better now!
Name: Rose Mortillaro
rosejmort@aol.com
Location: New Orleans, LA USA
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 13:33:52
Comments:
Hi folks, this is my first time visiting the Steely Dan web site. Steely Dan is my second favorite band, second only to Ben Folds Five, my all-time favorite. I must say I snickered heartily when I saw the sub-title of the guest book. Someone here has a great sense of humor.I better go read all of these old posts and try and catch up on what's going on...if any nice person wants to fill me in, please e-mail me at rosejmort@aol.com.
Name: RubyBaby
little darlin' it's been a long cold loney winter
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 11:35:04
Comments:
Clas, darling: Thank you, but my kids have BBF on a lot. I hear it every blessed DAY! They claim they can do their homework better with it. Of course that's bullshit, but I let it go - gotta choose your battles w/ teens.As for me, I'd rather hear Todd Rundgren. Got any of his stuff?
All I have is Something/Anything.Okay, you can send it to me, but ONLY if you throw it like a frisbee from your house to mine. Tasha needs practice jumping up and catching it in her mouth. Keep the jewel case.
Here Comes The Sun, abbaBaby.
rb
Name: Wrong guestbook
@ who cares
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 10:04:55
Comments:
Dr. Mu,
Steely Dan = NCAA Basketball?
Name: steveveedan.org
steely@infor.com
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 10:01:47
Comments:
This Date in Steely History:
1988-'Century's End' by Fagen is issued
1985-'Black Man Ray' by China Crisis w/Becker issued
1981-'Time Out Of Mind' Steely Dan's last hit single is issued
1978-Countdown To Ecstasy' is certified Gold (five years after its release!) 'Deacon Blues' (edited) is issued and hits US #19.. (hey)....1998-demo tapes of new album are pilfered from NYC recording studio and played over the internet to rabid 'Dan fans who are losing their collective minds.......(only kidding)....I gotta cut down on thes double cappacinos in the morning........
Name: Dan Sidemen
Sighting
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 09:26:45
Comments:
Joe Sample and Greg Phillinganes play keyboards on the new Clapton CD.
Name: DrMu
not your spellcheck
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 08:20:29
Comments:
Deke=Duke...sounds more like the trainer than one of the ball players
Name: DrMu
mad as a March Hare
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 08:17:37
Comments:
F'oN: Kentucky has the horses as usual. It's difficult to predict how they'll do as they were generally untested during the year. The result of the South Carolina game attests to that fact. Same goes for Kansas. Generally, teams from tough conferences with tough schedules prevail or make the finals...unless your team has say a Larry Bird. I'd look for a sleeper from the ACC (besides Deke and UNC), Big 11 (er... 10), or Pac 10 again (Bob Bender's Washington squad wins ugly, but they're no fluke). Michigan could get on a roll if the games are called loosely...Is that my Daddy mowin' the lawn?
Brahms' 2nd concerto is in the background. He took a lot of heat for "sampling" Beethoven.
Name: MrLP
sleeping
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 08:00:49
Comments:
feznorth: True. Fair enough.
Name: fezonorth
voicesinmyhead@com
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 05:31:03
Comments:
So on the drive in to work this morning, the following kept running through my head . . .
Look over there
Where?
There
There's a beautiful survivor
Is that from a SD song or is time for a trip to the pharmacy
Mr LaPage: I referred to Kentucky as a sleeper because I had heard none of the "experts" even mention their name as a possible favorite.I got the basketball jones
Name: c
c@w
Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 at 01:42:10
Comments:
Geena; hmmm, what I remember I have never dated a US-girl. I drank a glass of water with a girl in New Orleans a long time ago, and that's about it (she only had eyes for my redneck friend). Tell me your lost friends name. I find him, and when I do I'll beat the ass off him.
Ruby; have you heard this amateuristic band called Ben Folds Five? I could send you a Cd. (Holy shit! When I wrote this negativistic BBF-sentence two cars smashed into each other just outside my window, no one seem to be hurt though, wow!)
Ok, I got the message, I beg for forgiveness.
c
Name: Geena
Wishing it were spring
Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 19:06:04
Comments:
Clas my darling, if it bothers you, i won't call you that anymore...do you still love me? (you remind me of a swedish guy i once dated and lost contact with).....could it be?....well...nah...never mind....
Name: Clean Willy
ClnWilly@aol.com
Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 17:35:28
Comments:
Well now, my parochial progeny - I shouldn't be surprised really. You're about as observant as a box of hair. Allow me to explain it in real simple terms...
That last diatribe was NOT a comparative study on the similarities betwixt rap and Steely Dan. It's purpose was merely to point out that a bogus premise coupled with a liberal application of inane logic often leads to a half-witted supposition... But, you wouldn't know anything about that now, would you?
Name: Minah
China
Location: Fine, AH
Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 15:46:54
Comments:
Re:StAl's Ben Folds Five Guestbook...anyone who is truely obsessed with these guys may want to pick up the latest copy of "CMJ New Music" magazine, it's packaged with a CD that contains an 'unreleased' live version of 'Smoke' (I say quote unreleased, as this version was available on DAT boots prior)...
back to the c-c-cows,
mWeld (I've got a touch of Thursday Weld)
Name: steviedan
stevev@jps.net
Location: oakland chinatown, kungpao shrimp
Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 15:31:06
Comments:
re: possible 'Show Biz Kids' interpretation:
I think Becker and Fagen wrote this as a snub to ABC Records executives and the show biz type people who proliferated the music biz of the time...and the original liner notes stated "The Dan moves to LA and is forced to give an oral report." It is a weird but great early 'Dan track that had both Baxter and Derringer on it....and despite being a disaster on Billboards Hot 100, 'Kids hit #30 on Cashbox and #9 on Record World....."you know you got to Las wages.....show biz-ness kids making movies of themselves you know they don't give a frig 'bout anyone else"...anecdote :Mike McDonald was lead singer on this track in concert (1973-4)...
Name: MrLaPage
swimming
Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 10:51:34
Comments:
fezN: Calling Kentucky, with its #2 seed, a sleeper is like ... Well, I don't know what it's like, but it seems wrong. Duke, Kansas, Maryland and UConn in my pool (Duke over UConn in the final). I got the sports ticker running across the bottom of my screen. I got a big steak and cheese. I got a stack of work that I won't get to 'til Monday, because until then, I gotta cover every game in town.
RoyScam: I don't think Wake got robbed, but they sure as hell got assaulted.
Oleander: Keep waking up with Marcie Playground "Sex & Candy" playing in my head.
clas: Ben Folds Five. You got on just in time. The bandwagon's almost full.
Name: Roy.Scam
in the paint
Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 09:25:35
Comments:
lisa, ole: "I will be there...Body Sartre". I'm looking at local music scene tabloids for anything of Danfest interest. I'm too married to know anything about night life (or day life). The clubs I've attended in the Wburg area were mostly loud and youth-infected.
Dr.Mu--re album rankings: I guess you wouldn't allow a ten-place tie, so let me humbly present my favorite five (I didn't want to declare any of them losers; and it wouldn't be Danly to directly answer the question as asked):
5) Katy Lied
4) Aja
3) Nightfly
2) Pretzel Logic
1) Countdown to Ecstacy (Won't you tell her I love her so?)And now, as at least one clever person says every year, let your March madness run with mine,
RS
Name: lisa
sh@ring the room with 20 sinners?
Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 07:48:49
Comments:
rlsm: i enjoyed our conversation very much...your hierarchy of favorite sd albums is close to my own...it was strange that we listened to the same two while chatting! it proves once again that steely fans are true kindred spirits...i ended up playing "the nightfly" on loop mode until dawn.
on the eastern dan conference2--williamsburg, virginia: ok, folks...the shindig is set to take place the weekend of april 17-19th...samantha and i are planning to arrive late thursday night (the 16th) and probably won't cut out until sunday evening...the day/time of the actual "fess" is completely open...what is everyone's preference? suggestions as to our activities/crimes are welcome...i thought it might be nice to hit a jazz club? how 'bout the ALL NUDE STEELY DAN THUMPER at busch gardens?
roy.scam: now that ole is planning to attend, can we count you among the revellers? do you know a good hotspot on the hampton side of town? btw, is the "judge's chambers" still a club in norfolk?
mr. fez: please say that you are coming for the soiree...step up to the towel master and all will be right with the world.
any other persons interested in coming can e me with questions or ideas at the following address: showbizkid@yahoo.com
get your ticket to that wheel in space,sbk
Name: Visor Down III
internationalgeophysicalbeer
Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 01:55:35
Comments:
Just enjoying a frosty stein of Mizar Ale, listenin' to one of the few bands whose music survived the wild "race for archival" of the last millenium and wishin' I could some how communicate to you Dan's of long ago that it's gonna' be "ok". Really, everyone has a full-metal spandex jacket. New York and Paris are 90 SECONDS apart. (Well, 100 from Memphis).
Oh, and everyone still laughs if somebody farts.
St. Al, a message from the future: Your cookbook, Blowdishes" is still a huge hit. The Puffer Page is my favorite.
Oh, and a decent '70's era turntable goes for $8k - $9k.
A Case of Aces,VDIII
Name: clas
c@w
Location: long time no c,
Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 01:12:32
Comments:
Wow!
DJED; are you with me on Kamakiriad? Well, that's not a CD I listen to much. But I envy you sitting on the beach in LA. My wife and I visited Los Angeles two years ago, my son was studying at that guitar school there, MIT, GIT(?) up in Hollywood. And I found Los Angeles great! We lived in Santa Monica (best thing ever happen to sanna monca) and yeah, you don't need no valium when you're sittin at the Pacific. Calm and crisp and strong. We went to Catalina too, a paradise. But I found no glamour in nowdays Hollywood.
(Playa del Ray? Where's that? I know Marina del Ray)
Dr MU/Roy Scam; ok ok OK! Ben Folds Five is the best music I've heard in years.
Geena; I wont call you Rowlands if you promise to not call me Sven. Uhh.
at last;
GAUCHO; hi man! I've missed you! I'll email you, fuckhead. Damn, I can't believe it.
Name: RLSM
JWL80
Location: Sarasota, FL
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 22:01:20
Comments:
Lisa ,
Great talking to an artist, who knows good music! Too many Mics and Merlots and loss of words. Chat again soon.
Nite Nite !
Name: djed
djed3@hotmail.com
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 21:48:26
Comments:
clas, props to your Dan album ranking. I'm with you on Kamakiriad(?): I like it more, the more I really listen. Yet, the cut "On the Dunes"......today in LA it was a perfect 84deg, sunny, clear, little smog, and you could see the San Gabriels and Catalina PERFECTLY. I took my son out to Playa Del Rey beach right after school just to watch the sun set. Sitting out on that "misty beach", the reflective intensity of that song literally expands through every corner of your mind and spirit. Couple "On the Dunes" with "True Companion", and a perfect West Coast sunset, and you could relieve all the stress burdening your soul for those joyous fourteen+ minutes.
Name: Geena
Frozen Tundra
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 21:18:47
Comments:
Clas: I love you, I love you, I LOVE YOU! my big sven...and please stop calling me Rowlands...it's DeLorenzo...if you're nasty.....con tutto mio cuore
Name: RubyBaby
kanga1776@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 18:27:07
Comments:
Gaucho: Clas missed you. He once told me so, after I had informed him that I thought he WAS you. Don't be mad, he set me straight.Clas: Stockholm is so beautiful at twilight. Thank you. If it were to remind me any Steely Dan collection, it would be Royal Scam. That's because it's awesome - I can tell.
rb
Name: Gaucho
Gaucho@culodel.mundo
Location: La Paz, Bolivia
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 17:01:01
Comments:
This is a message for Clas
Hey you fucking Vickingo you. Where the fuck have you been or should I say where the fuck I have been!!!!
Well, I'm back and you owe me a tape.
Now I live in one of those underdeveloped Banana Republics and I LOVE it. I finally found life again. Lost 6 kilograms and I can speak interesting stuff with real people so I don't need to fuck with the net all the time.
How is life with you, you big fuck.
Send me an email atdkrsul@caoba.entelnet.bo
(I lost your email)
Saludos from Bolivia
StAl - Hi to you too.Gaucho Pinganegrea
Name: Kid Charlemagne
jherman@willoughbydesign.com
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 15:46:52
Comments:
Is there gas in the car? That's so intense. Rickma knows what I mean. The Dan rules. Just a comment from a longtime fan.
Name: fezonorth
hidingfromthemadman.com
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 15:20:26
Comments:
So is it safe to come out? Is all the haranguing about alleged racism over? Please note that use of the phrase "come out" is not an indicia of either anti- or pro- gay bias. It's just two words.
Roy: you know, of course, why the Deacons didn't make the Big Dance. They lost in the regular season to the even more lowly Cavaliers and on a neutral court no less.
Final Four sleeper: Kentucky. Never will see Final Four: Duke, Kansas.
Have not heard all the discs so can not offer a top 10 but would note two favorites: Katy Lied and a really odd choice, the Greatest Hits CD. Why the latter: It has (1) my favorite SD tune of alltime, Here at the Western World; (2) the great stoner rap at the beginning of the live version of Bodhivista (sp?); (3) and a touch of 80's output with the inclusion of Century's End. All and all, a great sampler to help convert the masses.
Go Wildcats
fezo
Name: Jeff
Jamiller@naz.edu
Location: Rochester, NY USA
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 09:38:30
Comments:
"gotta love 'em"
-JAM
"Time ticks a heaven around the stars"
- Dylan Thomas
"It was kind of a kicky balst...the guys really got it together
and wailed."
-Bill Chase
Name: DrMu
not your smooth retsina
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 07:53:28
Comments:
Roy: St Al. must have shared Colombia's finest with the "war room." Deacon Blue and Wolfie Red deserved that invite to the dance. The Big lEast with 5 including those roundball perennials Miami, Fla?? Look for Clemson or Maryland to break through. I concur with your finals analysis.
Clas: "Heartless, cold, and composed" or "fair" sounds like Robert Lamm? 10 extra years may be netting more amyloid proteins on your neurons? More like early Billy Joel through a Joe Jackson filter.
Dan top 10: While we're waiting, I'm curious to see how others would rate the 10 studio efforts (Dan + solo). Rankings for me are malleable depending on my mood, from great to classic:.
10. Pretzel Logic: A transition album from band to studio creature. A hodgepodge of great songs and different styles twisted together. Rikki is as fine as a studio performance as they've created. IF this is their least strong album, then this is a real testament to the quality of their discography.
9. 11 Tracks of Whack: It's Dan/anti-Dan, pop/anti pop with a sound that's spare (for Dan recordings) and meticulous and yet freer. Walter's songs are strong, savvy, funny and full of funky hooks.
8. Kamakiriad: I'm not sure still where to rate Kama. Surreal look into the subconscious and the near future with more of an R&B bend than the other bookend "The Nightfly." Tasty horn charts and lots of imagery. Takes numerous listenings to be fully appreciated.
7. Royal Scam: Too much is never enough. Loaded with hooks. The Dan at their most subersive and entertaining. A candy-caoted poison apple, my sweet.
6. Can't Buy a Thrill: The classic with its strong group of songs and a vision (LA bites). Katz guides a super-professional sound from the very beginning.
5. Gaucho: An expensive transition album (by necessity) to Donald Fagen's solo career. Mature songwriting and storytelling strong on imagery are trademarks. Great overall sound; but with the exception of Gadd on Third World Man, the early Wendell percussion sounds a bit stiff.
4. Countdown to Ecstacy: The Dan get the most out of the original lineup. Skunk is impressive on slide and the swingin' horns on My Old School hint of things to come.
3. Aja: The Dan reaches it's peak at studio recording and fidelity. 'nuff said.
2. Katy Lied: Another run-in with the subconscious in a collage of characters on the edge of sanity. Recorded more like say a 50's jazz album with more of a "live" sound than the other Dan recordings, the performances sparkle. I'm a sucker for the acoustic piano on this one.
1. The Nightfly: Beautiful songwriting and production which stir the imagination. A nice balance between sentiment and cynicism, optimism and dissillusion.
Sorry 'bout the countdown. Casey Kasem came to haunt me last night.
Name: Roy.Scam
Wake.F.got.Screwed
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 06:30:24
Comments:
Clas: I agree with djed. SBK is a not-too-open-minded rant about L.A., Hollywood in particular. The "Lost Wages, Las Vegas, Lot's Wages?" chant is still a mystery to me. Maybe going to Vegas was a cool thing for LA hipsters to do.-- I don't hear early Chicago or Cat Stevens in anything Ben Folds Five does. I do hear a bit of Todd Rundgren, Elton John (when he was good, back in the Honky Cats days), Freddie Mercury, Billy Joel, & Asylum Choir(Leon Russel).--And if you're 10 years older than me, you're qualified to be dirt's grandfather.
I don't want to mention names (3), but if Tom Joyner were reading some of these posts, he might say:
"HIDDEN-IDDEN-idden-idden RACISM-ISM-ism-ism!"
One more note: Duke over Arizona. You heard it here first. A bit more likely than the Mets winning the pennant.
RS
Name: djed
djed3@hotmail.com
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 03:13:40
Comments:
clas, 'Show Biz Kids' seems to be about the Movie Industry; livin' here in LA, it becomes more evident. In fact, "Caves of Altamira", "Babylon Sisters", an DFagen's "On the Dunes" are songs with direct, or indirect references to SoCal. In "typical" NY/NJ fashion, Walter & Donald seem to have this f%$# you attitude about Tinseltown.
'Two Jersey kids makin' music for themselves,
I guess they don't give a f$@% about anybody else...."
Name: c
c
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 02:11:08
Comments:
StAL; this is what I mean; ĺäö, ĹÄÖ.
Name: clas
c@work
Location: walking the, piano blues
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 02:03:05
Comments:
Geena; "Maybe I'm getting old or just not listening intently enough, but to me, some of today's music sounds like rehashed versions of what I listened to 'growing up' ". Yeah, you got it right Rowlands.
So, Roy Scam, maybe I was a little too hard on Ben Folds Five but, it's just like I have heard it before (early Chicago, Robert Lamms piano-based-solo album, Cat Stevens etc etc). I am ten years older than you, maybe that's an explanation.
Is there anyone who cares to answer this question I have on Show Biz Kids? The song is about Las Vegas, or?
...gimme a brake, audi...
Name: Defender
l@ctose intolerant
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 21:07:56
Comments:
Milkfuck--Do you have some sort of homo-erotic fixation with Kinky? You can't have him, so PLEASE, for the love of God, stop tormenting yourself with these pathetic delusions.
Kinksta's #1 Fan
Name: milkman
str@p-on
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 19:53:46
Comments:
That's Mr. Prick to you pal. Should I come by and smack you silly? -- Milkman.
Name: Geena
Lost Horizon
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 17:38:50
Comments:
I don't have as large a collection of cd's than i do vinyl and i have to agree (although I thought I'd never say this), but I do like the clean sound quality of cd's better. The only problem is a lot of vinyl from my collection are not on cd format. Maybe I'm going to all the wrong music outlets, but it seems that these places cater only to today's music, which I find a lot of it to be annoying and tired. Maybe I'm getting old or just not listening intently enough, but to me, some of today's music sounds like rehashed versions of what I listened to "growing up"
There's a huge difference in the sound of the music from the 50's, 60's and 70's, but what happened from the mid 80's & 90's?
I've tried listening with a very open mind, but with the exception of a handful of new artists, it just seems boring and lacks creativity and style.
Just my $0.02...maybe I am getting old..*reaching for the bottle of prozac*
Name: Kinky
MsCrabtree'sPet
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 15:23:23
Comments:
Clean W - Yeah, you're right, I see the similarities between rap and Steely Dan now. Besides both of them ripping off other people's music, Donald and Puff Daddy have the exact same lips!
Name: Pat Towne
clowne@aol.com
Location: Hollywoos, CA DAN
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 12:19:55
Comments:
put me on a list ,
send me mail
lemme know anything and all things dan
thanks
Name: Not My Nancy
tomandmimi@bigfoot.com
US3
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 10:50:08
Comments:
Could we get an intern to compile in one place all the Dan samples that have been mentioned on the GB?
I would gladly profit from his/her labor.
Name: better late
than never
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 10:38:03
Comments:
kamfire98 you want to be felt up? you came to the right place
Name: RubyBaby
inthegroove
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 10:19:53
Comments:
I thought I was the only one who misses "sides".
You could tell a music soul-mate by which side they played first.True, one can program the entire order of songs on a cd, thereby revealing even more, but that's sometimes too much.
Sides are more romantic.
rubberbands & nickles, rb
Name: kamfire98
kamfire98@hotmail.com
Location: rochester, ny monroe
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 09:56:45
Comments:
I know I am a little late reaching this site, but can someone fill me in on it.
Name: Clean Willy
ClnWilly@aol.com
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 09:30:47
Comments:
So, it must have been oh, '68 or '69 and I'm at this blowing
date at a little club in The Village. It was put together by
this leech (scuuuse, me "jazz music promoter") Symphony Sid
and was to feature a number of jazz legends playing alongside
up-and-coming and established Rock and Roll artists. So anyway,
the show begins with the great pianistics of a true jazz legend,
Horace Silver, along with his great Quintet featuring Carmel
Jones (tp), Joe Henderson (ts) and Roger Humphries (d). Well,
they proceeded to blast out a smokin' rendition of Mr.
Henderson's "The Kicker" and damn near brought the house down
man! I mean, it really sounded great! Those cats were swingin',
daddy!Well, just as the opening riffs to Mr. Silver's incomparable
"Song For My Father" were run through stylishly by the composer
himself, these two hipster jazz wannabe freaks take the stage -
one of 'em fingering some weird looking MIDI thing and the
other fondling a Sadowsky Strat copy tethered to what can only
be described here as the "rig from hell". Next thing I know,
those beautiful jazz riffs are interrupted when the tall Jean
Paul Belmondo look-alike spits out... "We hear you're leavin',
that's okayeee..." followed by several choruses of farcical,
incoherent vocals dripping with sarcasm and arcane personal
references. After the initial shock subsided, I looked up at
Joe Henderson, who's now standing there with his sax in his
hands and his mouth hanging open in utter disbelief.Well, to make a bizarre rationalization even more implausible,
I have since sworn off any and all Rock and Roll oriented
artists as nothing more than a bunch of jazz, blues and R&B
rip-off mongers with little or no musical invention of their
own.
Name: CD Seedy
scamnet.com
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 06:06:02
Comments:
Seattle St. Al: Was that the snap, crackle, pop of seeds in the fine Col or the snapcracklepop of one's favorite song recorded on vinyl?
Name: StAl
stalfnzo@seanet.com
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 05:43:39
Comments:
The only thing vinyl is/was good for is cleaning seeds out of your fine colombian.
Since we've evolved in that department as well, I see no need...
snaP craCKLE POP, baby
StAl
Name: Roy.Scam
nostalgia ain't what it used to be
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 05:04:14
Comments:
Schwinnasaurus: I'm 30 with two plusses, and I get misty eyed for the old days sometimes. I miss the big record jackets and I miss telling the joke "Your Mamma's so fat, when she dances the band skips.". But I truly and sincerely don't miss vinyl or turntables. They always got the best of me: The balancing a quarter on the head, the jumping up out of some type of reverie to correct a skipping record ("I am the eggma...I am the eggma... I am the eggma.."). The fear of dust, sun, soft drinks, heavy movement, and clumsiness. etc.-- The replacement of vinyl and needles is a triumph of technology worthy of mention in "I.G.Y.".
Just my stylus-headed opinion,
RS
Name: Artificial Inschwinnization
outonb@il
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 00:12:18
Comments:
djed: Once again a fine post. I was a Sophomore in college when an utter stranger starting ranting to me about the latest Dan, "Aja". Because of that one album I procured a Harmon / Kardon system that remains a fine thing to this day. Thanks to the digital age, I recently obtained a turntable I could not have possibly afforded twenty years ago and enjoy comparing vinyl to their CD counterparts for "truth in music". (Yes, you can buy a clean, ORIGINAL vinyl pressing of "Pretzel Logic" for $2.00 if that's what turns you on...) And it doesn't hurt to track it with a Shure cartridge at .83 grams, either...(God, I love counter-balancing!) No, the 20-somethings of today will never understand the affection we old-timers have for analog. And I must admit, CD's are getting better and better. But nothing beats using a level to plum your turntable and twisting the Crown down so the bass won't feedback. Did I mention the fact you MUST listen to the music because you have to turn the record over in 20 minutes? The break between sides is the thing I miss most about CD's...
Oh, and how a stylus reads a saxaphone!
Toro, toro, taxi
Name: clas
c@w
Date: Monday, March 9, 1998 at 23:32:56
Comments:
I'm confused. In the end of Hoskyns Waiting For The Sun there's an appendix; Los Angeles in Songs. And one of the songs that is listed is Show Biz Kids.
Las Vegas?
Name: Kinky
achey breaky heart
Date: Monday, March 9, 1998 at 20:06:50
Comments:
Yeah, milkman, I learned from the best... you prick!
Name: milkman
up-muth@fucka-in-the-sky
Date: Monday, March 9, 1998 at 19:41:00
Comments:
...and for kinky to *feel* for someone, that's really saying something.
Name: djed
djed3@hotmail.com
Date: Monday, March 9, 1998 at 19:24:41
Comments:
Let's face it, people. Most Dan fans are 30+. We are children of the late 60's and 70's. There just is not way that most of these little kiddies, white, black, whatever, can possibly grasp what we grasp when we 'drive west on sunset', or 'climb a garden wall with a candle in my hand.' This ain't their reality, just like Fiona Apple , Mobb Deep, blunts and grunge ain't ours. We can hope, though, that at least getting a taste of truly great music will inspire young performers to discover the rich music past that lay the groundwork for what they do today.
Name: RIpoff
yea,yea,yea
Date: Monday, March 9, 1998 at 16:01:40
Comments:
Shindog: I don't disagree with you about rap being "art".
What LT did with the Dan tune IS NOT art, dude. It's a lack of.
Try this, take a copy of the Mona Lisa, copy it, paint a big grin on her face and try to sell it as art. Use the same painting to inspire, thats what it's all about.My biggest problem with this entire issue is, the guys bashed
Don and Walt for making them pay.I'm over this shit.
Name: Kinky
The Day The Music Died
Date: Monday, March 9, 1998 at 15:17:13
Comments:
All this rap/Sample talk reminded me of an awful experience I've tried to forget.
Around '92/'93 I went to this show at the Supper Club in NYC. It was put together by ex-SD producer Gary Katz and was to feature a number of jazz legends playing alongside up-and-coming and established rap artists. So anyway, the show begins with a great jazz ensemble featuring Joe Sample and Phil Woods. I remember thinking to myself, "Great job, Gary, in getting these guys together." I mean, it really sounded great! Sample laying it down, Phil Woods blowing Dr. Wu-type solos, and the whole band was cookin'!
Well, about halfway into the second tune, from out of the wings, this black ('scuuuse, me "African-American") guy, comes running out, arms flying, thumbs in the air, clad in baggy jeans, gold chains, lace-free sneakers, and his Yankee hat on sideways. Next thing I know, those beautiful jazzy riffs are interrupted with a mean and angry "Hey Muthafucka! Hey Muthafucka! Hey!". After the initial shock subsided, I looked up at Phil Woods, who's now standing there with his sax in his hands and his mouth hanging open in utter disbelief.
Well, to make a long story short, this had to have been one of the worst musical experiences of my life. Not only did I lose every ounce of respect I had for Gary Katz, I actually felt bad for Sample, Woods, and the rest of the "musicians" up there. Needless to say, I didn't stick around long. Oh yeah, neither did Katz... haven't heard from him since.
Name: Don Jardine
djs@jungle.net
Date: Monday, March 9, 1998 at 13:16:49
Comments:
I was in Staples yesterday and I heard the opening bars of a Steely Dan song coming off their sound system. I knew instantly it was SD and that it wasn't one I had heard previously in the cheesy atmosphere of a discount retail outlet, so it would take about 1.77 seconds for it to register which song it was. I'm conditioned to hearing Deacon Blues, Babylon Sisters, and My Rival (A favorite of Burger King). Turned out to be Your Gold Teeth II.
Name: maj©
frontier@uscom.com
Date: Monday, March 9, 1998 at 11:22:53
Comments:
I saw a SD disc titled "Alive in America Sampler" yesterday up at the radio station. It had four trax from AinA: Reelin, 3WM, and two others. The two old farts were on the cover. Didn't know this one existed. It's in the music library if anyone needs info. Played 3WM for the masses, BTW.
Did you see the names of the main characters for "The Big Lebowski"? Wonder if they drive a Chrysler in the movie?
maj©
Name: Arrow down
dolmen@home
Date: Monday, March 9, 1998 at 08:28:06
Comments:
Putting it simply:
Q. What's the difference between capitalism and communism?
A. In capitalism, one man exploits another man.
In communism, it's just the opposite.
Name: c
c@w
Date: Monday, March 9, 1998 at 01:10:11
Comments:
Scurvy; you where? Wow. I'd like to have the whole rock if it's possible. Can you ship it over?
And I came to think of the CookBook; Shanghai Confidential, isn't that just another name for Duck Surprise? Do you have the recipe Sister?
Name: Scurvy Sister
t@ck
Date: Monday, March 9, 1998 at 00:26:08
Comments:
Clas: You are correct. I was there when Steve requested his favorite "rock" be sky-craned into the studio. Hey, it worked! The best B-side you've never heard! (I still have some gravel from that session if you want it--or should I auction it off to the Dooby-lovers?)
SS
P.S. Have you seen the "Just for Men" commercials with Michael McDonald? I kinda' liked his touch of gray...
Name: clas
c@w
Date: Sunday, March 8, 1998 at 23:44:01
Comments:
Hi Ole, yeah, that guitarsolo is great. Have not heard any of the other songs. No music comforts me when I am real sad. That would be like eating when I'm full.
(please go one with that political stuff, it's music to a swedes ear, although I am a leftwinger in my heart - in reality I am a rightwinger close to my wallet)
Now I get it, StAl's CookBook! Steely-Food. That's a great page StAl!
I remember a song, B-side to At Centurys End, I think the title was Shanghai Confedential, an instrumental, lot's of machines and Steve Kahn on guitar. That was a cool song, has anyone heard it?
Name: Black Cow Master Blaster
mrr@sta
Date: Sunday, March 8, 1998 at 22:48:32
Comments:
djed: Good post. But believe me, a recognizable Dan-hook is a god-send during de-lousing, even if the words are perpetrational rather than representational. By the way, if you are ever incarcerated and ask for some Dan music, be prepared to touch your toes in the shower. CD players jam surveillance and cassette capstans are sharpened and used for tattooing. Radios are tuned to the Dr. Laura Jewish Guilt channel. Luckilly I was able to kill everyone who threatened me with those (lack) of alternatives and still had enough time to sing, "Deacon Blues" over their twitching bodies. Does that qualify as an, "Art Crime"?
Sippin' a Long Island Cow
Suddenly Schwinn
Name: oleander
oleander1@earthlink.net
Location: wordgeek,
Date: Sunday, March 8, 1998 at 21:38:26
Comments:
Shindig--does "sprechstimme" mean "spoken word?" Cool word.
Ruby my dear--There are too many Big Issues floating around lately. I'm getting a headache. I'm not a poli sci type, but--a hallmark of capitalism is people profiting from other people's labor. Socialism isn't synonymous with communism, nor are democracy (or even capitalism) and socialism mutually exclusive. The US is not a pure capitalist nation--thank goodness; that wouldn't be a pretty picture, IMHO, a libertarian purgatory. But enough. If you want to discuss this stuff more, I'd be into it--e me.
Clas--Been thinking about your question about music and depression. Things I've sought out in really bad times and been helped by are "Third World Man" (don't ask me why--I think it might be the guitar solo), "Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands," "Layla," Rahsaan's "The Inflated Tear," and Aretha's "Until You Come Back To Me" (I think that's what it's called).
lisa--please e me about Potential Danfest East II. Be glad to help arrange it.
Name: djed
djed3@hotmail.com
Date: Sunday, March 8, 1998 at 21:06:48
Comments:
Let me clarify my previous post: Tariq and Peter Gunz WASTED a great sample talkin' about 'crazy loot', Cristal, Benzes, etc......For those into the rap game, Ice Cube sampled 'Green Earrings' on the cut 'I Don't Trust 'em', off his 'Predator' CD.
Name: djed
djed3@hotmail.com
Location: Inglewood, CA USA
Date: Sunday, March 8, 1998 at 20:57:58
Comments:
Black Cow Master Blaster, I've heard that tune by Tariq and Peter Gunz that samples that damn funky 'Black Cow'. It's too bad these brothas 'crazy loot' and drinkin' Cristal, drivin' Benz', etc. If you're gonna sample the Dan, you better step up with some lyrics and story that represent, not perpetrate.
Name: Music
Surfer
Date: Sunday, March 8, 1998 at 20:20:11
Comments:
Has anyone heard about the 2 new Steely Dan cd's "Art Chimes" and "Forward into the Past"? Are they bootlegs or new versions of that "Stone Piano" stuff?
Name: Jan Esterlis
Yakov Est
Location: Westwood,
Date: Sunday, March 8, 1998 at 19:25:35
Comments:
Name: RUNE
crossing the super highway
Date: Sunday, March 8, 1998 at 10:26:11
Comments:
Is there gas in the car?
Yes there´s gas in the car.
What´s with the sweedes?
Name: Clas
c@w
Location: thenwetakeBerlin,
Date: Sunday, March 8, 1998 at 04:01:28
Comments:
Albert E; F3m7? After fifty years in the biz...
Emily La Telle; be quiet and let me tell you a funny story:
Joke:
An ocean liner met with a big storm in the North Atlantic. The ship sunk and the people were in the life boats. In one small life boat, were 3 men. One was from Sweden, one from Germany, one from USA. They were adrift at sea for many days. Finally, the patron saint of sailors appeared to them. They thought they were dreaming! But she said, "You are not dreaming. I have come to save you. I can grant each of you 1 (one) wish for this purpose."
To the Swede she asked," What do you wish?"
He said, " I wish I was at the French Riviera on a beach with beautiful women!"*POOF*, he was there.
To the German she asked," What do you wish?"
He said, " I wish I was in Berlin in a beer-garten with beautiful fraulines!"
*POOF*, he was there.After a minute, she asked the US-guy, " Do you know what you wish?"
He said, " I'm lonely. I wish the other two were back!"
*POOF!*Now, THAT'S sampling.
Name: Schwinn, Black Cow Master Blaster
firstwekillallthelawyers
Date: Sunday, March 8, 1998 at 01:07:29
Comments:
In the few unfortunate moments the law has managed to divert me from my journeys, I've found great solace in Rap music. Knowing this trend will continue, I'm glad the Brothers have added a stolen moment from my favorite band to the mix. You may hear the Dan in the supermarket but never in custody.
Thanks Guys! Say "Hi" to Mr. Sample for Me!
SEMB
Name: Uri Yerdovich
g@th
Date: Sunday, March 8, 1998 at 00:52:48
Comments:
Emily? Is that you? If you are who I think you are then bless lucky stars! If not, then nutty coincidence highly entertaining anyway. Does your father still hate me over that "lost sausage" incident?
UY
Name: Emily LaTella
putting the plastic on the furniture
Date: Saturday, March 7, 1998 at 20:50:00
Comments:
What's this about "sampling" a black cow? When I was young my Uncle Emir would cook a roast in the backyard on that spit and those fat and nasty Yerdovich brothers would invite themselves over and absolutely enogorge themselves...what?...oh, the steely dan song?...yes, Joe Sample plays soooo beautifully...what?...rap? with your cane? that's another song isn't it?...Nevermind...
Name: SDWebDrone
Forwarded Message
Date: Saturday, March 7, 1998 at 19:17:38
Comments:
My name is Laurin Willis and I'm the current president of the Doobie Brothers Fan Club. I'm writing because we currently have an on-line charity auction working that includes some great Jeff "Skunk" Baxter items which Steely Dan Fans may find interesting. All proceeds from this auction directly benefit the National Veterans Foundation (natvet@aol.com).
Skunk items include:
- 1 Jeff "Skunk" Baxter Special Edition Acoustic/Electric Epiphone Guitar w/hard case, personally autographed by Jeff.
- 4 autographed 8x10s (in silver pen)
These items will be posted to our web site in the next few days. Michael McDonald has promised a few items as well, but, we have not recieved those at this time.
The website address is:
http://www.futureone.com/~doobfan/auction.htm
If it is possible to pass this along to other Steely Dan fans, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Laurin
Name: Mr. Stewart
rmech@alaska.net
Date: Saturday, March 7, 1998 at 16:13:19
Comments:
My favorite rap/jazz CD is "Hand on the Torch" by Us 3. Great rhythm, excellent samplings of Monk and other jazz greats. Very tastefully done.
Mr. Stewart
Name: Razor Boy
joebj@compmore.net
Location: Kanata, Ont Canada
Date: Saturday, March 7, 1998 at 13:25:16
Comments:
Shindig - Is that a promise that you'll bury the defense of rap, reading things into what people post, due to "their paranoia? Sometimes, people try to combat comments that are interpreted as racial or discriminatory, and end up looking back at themselves, and appearing, in reality, just as paranoid. To me, you did. Just my opinion. Which is what these guest books are for. Let's just concentrate on the music, the band, and the beautiful imagery they conjure up in us, as fans.
Name: RubyBaby
kanga1776@aol.com
Date: Saturday, March 7, 1998 at 09:32:53
Comments:
Clas: I figured you hated that word, but I didn't know who else to ask about it. Thank you for your indulgence. I try your patience without meaning to. Your English is outstanding. No shit, it really is.
MockT: Do you think it's too late for Apple to get smart about marketing? A good endorsement by a sports figure and a cool SD song as a backdrop couldn't hurt.
No Oleander, I did not get C and S backwards. I view capitalism as a free market economy, including private ownership of product and distribution means. It allows individuals and corporations to accumulate "wealth" and re-invest at their discretion.
Socialism, to me, is when individuals or private corporations do not hold authority over products or "wealth". These things are distributed (or re-distributed) among society, usually by means of the govt. If our courts allow rap artists to use a copyrighted product whenever they feel like it, overriding the owner's authority, is that not a form of redistribution?
If our ecology could handle it, I think I'd throw some things into the harbor.
rb
Name: Zorro the Gay Spade
@stroglide
Date: Saturday, March 7, 1998 at 08:51:25
Comments:
Do we have to be so hard on Kinky this early in the morning? Let's give the Paranoia Express time to pull into the station. Or at least give the poor guy a chance to come down off his coke buzz.
Man's inhumanity towards man. The horror.
Z
Name: El Shindig of the Toronto Wetlands
shindig@thecopa-copa.cabana
Location: Toronto, Ontario Canada.
Date: Saturday, March 7, 1998 at 08:09:11
Comments:
There are a small number of people on this guestbook who seem to be struggling with issues related to freedom of speech and ownership. Maybe that's a good thing. Many people live in countries where these things aren't guaranteed.
It should be remembered that this group PAID our duo to use their work in their songs. They didn't "steal" anything.
I don't think rap needs to be "defended" as an art form. That's a bunch of crap. It is an art form. It involves pastiche, sprechstimme, complex rhythmic formula and, at times, incredibly creative lyrics. You should check out a cross section of rap before contributing. Judging all rap on the basis of songs like "Cop Killer" is as ridiculous as judging all rock music based on the collective work of Twisted Sister. We should remember that the number one demographic for the purchase of "Gangsta Rap" is white teenage boys.
I suggested the PBS documentary "History of Rock" earlier. It has a one hour overview on rap. It may be available at your local library for free. Check it out.
Kinky: In your message to me you infered things from my post that were not accurate. In the future, if you have trouble understanding my posts please get in touch.
For example, I asked you...
"What do you mean by "If it wasn't for the Dan this rap shit probably would never be goin' on"? I'm seriously interested in what you are trying to infer with this line. "
And you replied...(This is Kinky's reply):
"Well, if it wasn't for the Dan's Black Cow" bass line, would this song be as popular as it is? I kind of doubt it. You're obviously taking this line to mean rap in general, which is your own opinion, and fine. But as you can see, we all have our own opinions and interpretations, right? "
To that I say...
No. I just wanted to know what you meant by the line. There is a paranoid train of thought that makes its way through your entire post. That makes it dificult for me to take what you are saying seriously. The problem is that I don't see this as a flame war. I never called YOU a racist. I called what you posted racist. There is a difference.You're clutching at straws. Most of the people, except for the strange ones that pop out from nowhere (your sock puppets?), can see this.
I don't do flame wars. I don't do racism, no matter where it comes from; Kinky's invisible African American duo included. I teach 30 kids from community housing every Friday. If someone says or does something racist I SAY something. If no one SAYS something then maybe no one will know that IT'S FUCKING WRONG.
Somebody asked me if I could find someone both offensive and funny. You bet. Look at Zappa. He made fun of EVERYBODY, including himself. It was clear, and I loved Zappa.
And yeah, this'll be my last post on the subject. I got tired of flame wars fourteen years ago.
Happy to talk about the Dan though!
Shindig/Collin
Name: AlbertE.
Way@BackWhen
Location: FREEJUNKET,
Date: Saturday, March 7, 1998 at 05:11:16
Comments:
Bright Funk: F#m7 Bm7 Bm6 F#m7 Bm7 Bm6 F3m7 A9 Dmaj9 G9-5 F#m7 C#m7 Am7 Where have you gone, 'Hey Nineteen?' ZZY
Name: clas
c@w
Date: Saturday, March 7, 1998 at 04:56:50
Comments:
...ooops, is this the Ben Folds Five GBook too now? Sorry Pot, I mean Pat.
Ruby; ...have "lagom" affected my life? No.
Name: Dde
5r@zim
Date: Saturday, March 7, 1998 at 01:39:54
Comments:
Greetings Edd. Before we stick an implant in the base of your medulla we'de like to share one big laugh: You? An Artist? Not in our shire, little mister!
Name: clas
@ Close Range
Location: sampling, the US groove
Date: Saturday, March 7, 1998 at 00:39:53
Comments:
RUBY; "they wish to profit from someone else's work. Very anti-Capitalistic. Rather Socialistic..." I would say; They wish to profit from someone else's work. Very anti-Socialistic. Rather Capitalistic. Ever heard of shares and the stock-market?
And the Swedish word "lagom". We swedes hate that word nowdays. Shortly; in the 30 - 40s we started to build the new swedish society, "Det Svenska Folkhemmet" (the Swedish PeoplesHome). It was supposed to equalize the bridges between poor and rich. So we had this mix between socialism and capitalism for many years. And that maby made us swedes "lagom", no one was supposed to stick out. The main party was (is) the Socialdemocrats. I think most of the ideas was good but I also think that something got lost. Our prestige-word was Solidarity, which you don't see much of today in Sweden. If I took a walk downtown this Saturday morning I would see a lot of homeless in the streets and the subwaysstations. Such thing was impossible for about 6 -7 years ago. So don't worry Ruby, Sweden is selling out their stateowned companies (The Swedish Mail, The Telephonecompany etc etc) in order not to be "lagom". Sweden is going the USA-way, USA will never go the Swedish way. And everything is US in Sweden; the music, the movies, the talk, and yes, even the way we walk. We are going from "lagom" to... to... extrem?
(excuse me for the bad english)Roy; music played by an untight drummer and a pianoplayer with chewing gum between his fingers can never grow.
Name: Ozzy
sansharriet
Date: Saturday, March 7, 1998 at 00:25:43
Comments:
Was checkin' out the gess book front top to bottom when whitey pulled a gun and commenced to launchin' a hundred million billion little bullets at me so I played dead like I s'pose to be
Yeah I played dead like I s'pose to be
(Black Cow Twice)
Now the trick of half a man is to learn on the double time
The rythym of the saints fo it takes on a Simonize
But you play dead like it's s'pose to be
Yeah whitey jus play peace and harmony
(Chorus)
I can't break anymore while you bend the rules (While you bend the rules)
Kiss My ass
Just when your deepest fear
Shifts to overdrive
And my song sounds like
Jus how it's s'pose to be...
(A lot of Negro inflection here on the sax)
Dedicated to my crack smokin', heart breakin', plane crashin' son, Ricky: The teenage idol.
Name: Aja
ajaweed@uiuc.edu
Location: chambana, il
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 22:24:37
Comments:
my mother got my name from the album "Aja", but it is pronounced like ASIA, but the first "a" is like the "o" in hop.
Name: I.N. Knu
e@sych@ir
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 22:13:22
Comments:
The world is coming to an end. BFF has been added to the guestbook's masthead and Edd is defending Rap as an artform. Singing or playing someone else's work in a live setting to show it your respect is one thing. "Sampling" isn't "sampling" when you use the "sample" as the backbone of your work. The bottom end of Black Cow was lifted note for note--word for word if you will--and that's plagiarism at best. Theft also comes to mind. A collage uses incomplete elements to create a whole. Lifting the guts of Black Cow and chanting obscenities over it is like tagging a bridge with graffiti. Vandalism comes to mind...
Name: Kenneth Starr
newt's place
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 21:28:02
Comments:
George Clinton?! So, THAT's the name Bill goes by when he's out with Monica! Thanks Oleander!
Name: oleander
yeah I'm really glad I saw you comin'
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 20:58:10
Comments:
lisa--Sudden conflict: the weekend of the 17th has become a problem for me. George Clinton is coming here that night. Now how can I turn down a chance to see him in my own backyard? Can we talk different dates? How about everybody else? If I'm the only glitch (with a G) I got a tough choice to make.
Ruby--don't you have capitalism and socialism turned around?
Mock T--No, my point is not to not make money, but you make it sound as if creativity is completely income-driven. Very nineties. Very bleak, like maj's students' responses to the sampling question--that people should be able to take whatever they want, with no consequences, and hold others to different codes of ethics than they are willing to observe themselves.
Kink--Speaking of acknowledging authorship, how come you're having so much trouble giving credit/blame to the author(s) of the parody? You're right about one thing. Usually I'm careful about writing "I think" in front of opinions. I missed that sentence. But the thing about words is that once you let them out, the "intended" meaning is only one of an infinite number of alternate meanings. They will be interpreted differently by each recipient, and why are those meanings necessarily any less "correct" than the "intended" one? Many authors, with Mr. B & Mr. F notable examples, don't always explicate their words, which actually can be liberating--each person can experience them afresh. That's what I think is so much fun about the lyric discussions here & in the Digest. That IS the point: how boring it would be if the authors DID detail the "meaning" of each song--how we each see it would be dampened and paled.
Oops, please add "I think" or "IMHO" to each sentence above.
Name: Clean Willy
ClnWilly@aol.com
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 18:56:20
Comments:
There's little or no reason for me to *try* to make a fool
out of Kranky on this one... He's done a smashingly good job all on his own. But I will say this - Ever notice how those who would defend this putz don't bother to post under their real handles? "... do they really exist at all..."Hmmmmm, I feel another parody coming on...
Name: ted koppel
@abcnews.com
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 16:22:34
Comments:
Do you know how Peter Gunz got his name? He was busted and went to prison for selling guns. Kinky, I wonder if everybody would have accused you of being racist or stereotyping if you included that in your song.
Name: ??
even cowgirls get the blues
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 16:15:58
Comments:
make that assess...or ASSess
Name: ?
there is something f@miliar...
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 16:06:05
Comments:
gosh, edd...based on your pearls of wisdom, i'd have to access your level of intelligence in the genius range...paragraph breaks and all!
Name: Edd
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 15:48:38
Comments:
I certainly don't condone the use of sampled music without the proper credit/compensation, but I don't know why people make such a big deal over this issue.
What is the difference between this and other forms of "borrowing"? Oleander brought up a good point: The medium of collage is similar, if not the same. I'm an artist and I've used imagery from other sources without giving proper credit. As art students we are required to mimic the style of masters in the pursuit of our own techniques. This trend is likewise prevalent in film, literature, etc.
Face it folks, there is little if anything that is completely "new". Why is that? Is it because there are only a handful of themes in the whole of human existence? I continually see the same ideas being rehashed, repackaged and offered to us for consumption. Why single out this particular instance of something that occurs so frequently?
For the record, I think rap is art.
Name: Kinky
being offensive for oleander's enjoyment
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 14:39:16
Comments:
oleander (with a capital "B") - You declare, "’Through With Buzz’ is tongue-in-cheek, if ill-advised." Oh yeah? And which one are you? Steely or Dan? "Do (I) think Messrs. B & F endorse bigotry in ‘Barrytown’ or domestic abuse in ‘Everything You Did’?" Well that’s the point now, isn’t it? What I, or anyone else for that matter, THINK they mean. Because unless you penned those lyrics yourself, all you have is your own interpretation, you don’t have a fucking clue what their "intended meaning" is. Correct? But let me ask you this... If Donald or Walter (in a rather serious interview involving only one member of the duo, mind you) was to give an explanation of a Steely Dan lyric, wouldn’t you then regard this explanation as the "intended meaning" of that lyric?
Now, since you seem to be convinced that I wrote those lyrics, then tell me how one such as yourself can possibly educate ME about the intended meaning of those words?
Another thing... when parodying something, isn’t it necessary, by definition, to imitate as closely as possible, that which is being parodied? But maybe "I" just interpreted the majority of rap songs (which "I" parodied) to have racial/drug overtones myself, therefore, feeling the need to also include them in "my" parody.
But, as I’ve clearly stated before, I merely posted the material and am simply writing this to make a point. But I will be sure to pass along your critique to the African Americans that WERE involved in this project, because unlike some timeserving, tight-assed white folk, they obviously took no offense.
The jury is dismissed
********
Lisa - The difference is "mimic(king) the style of masters" as opposed to explicitly using another's work (or portion of it), and calling it your own.
Name: lisa
s@me old story
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 13:04:06
Comments:
i certainly don't condone the use of sampled music without the proper credit/compensation...BUT...i dont know why people make such a big deal over this issue...what is the difference between this and other forms of "borrowing"? oleander brought up a good point: that the medium of collage similar, if not the same...
i'm an artist and i've used imagery from other sources without giving proper credit...as art students, we are required to mimic the style of masters in the pursuit of our own techniques...this trend is likewise prevalent in film, literature, etc...face it folks, there is little if anything that is completely "new"...why is that? because there are only a handful of themes in the whole of human existence...i continually see the same ideas being rehashed, repackaged and sold to us for consumption...why single out this particular instance of something that occurs so frequently?for the record, i think most rap sucks...
Name: Mock Turtle
Not@Marxist.gov
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 12:42:46
Comments:
Oleander: If they weren't making any money off it, do you think D+W would be working so hard on a new CD? They'd be waiting in line for bread or something.
RB: As for why Gates is on top, it's all marketing. Mac was (is?) the superior product, both in hardware and in operating system. Way back when, Gates offered to work with Apple, having Microsoftware only made for the Mac exclusively. Refusing this was part of a long line of Apple's fatal blunders. Walt has good enough taste to use a Mac, by the way.
Name: rb
kanga1776@aol.com
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 10:25:20
Comments:
ST.Al: I just noticed your addition to the top of the page. Let's hope BFF is more mature than Oasis, or they might sue!
Name: RubyBaby
no steal-ly the Dan, please
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 10:17:06
Comments:
MockTurtle: This may alarm you, but I really agree with you. I've asked many people what exactly Mr. Gates has done that is unethical. It doesn't matter who I ask, I never get a straight answer. Ultimately, they figure since he's cornered the market so well, he must have done something wrong. Then they start grasping at straws. Now with "sampling", they do the opposite: musicians ACTUALLY do something wrong, then they grasp at straws to justify it. When all else fails they become obnoxious, hoping to distract us from the main point, which is: they wish to profit from someone else's work. Very anti-Capitolistic. Rather Socialistic.Clas: I read about this thing called "lagom" in Sweden. I understand it to be a school of thought where there are no extremes, just mediocrity. It puts a cap on productivity by minimizing incentives. In the end, it defines appropriateness and discourages uniqueness. Am I right in my understanding of it? If so, what effect has this had on your country? How has this affected your life? Do you think the US tends to move in this direction? (If you feel the need to wear your Fire-Proof Fez for these questions, you make take The Fifth (ammendment).
rb
Name: MrLP
shindig by my side
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 09:51:52
Comments:
Mock Turtle: Watch out, or the Shindig police will be all over you for using "dark future" and "Puff Daddy" in the same sentence.
Name: Roy.Scam
sampling=the new pollution
Date: Friday, March 6, 1998 at 04:36:08
Comments:
I noticed in Beck's CD "Odelay", the credits for sampled recordings are very detailed and displayed alongside, and just as prominently as, the other credits. They include two Bernard Purdie songs, a James Brown, and a Dylan, and several others. This type of 'theft', with full acknowledgement, is fairly respectable. It's downright cordial compared to what Milli Vanilli did to David Clayton Thomas, Vanilla Ice did to Freddie Mercury, and George Harrison did to the Chiffons.
Didn't Joni Mitchell up and sing a few bars of Unchained Melody or something like that right in the middle of one of her songs?-- Did you pay those royalties, Joni?--And now she's become a samplee herself. ("Big Yellow Taxi")
lisa,ole,fez: I'm there for the pre-summer smoker; but you don't want me for a booking agent; I violated all laws of demographics arranging the last Danfest.-- Can I wear a full-body mask?
Clas: Sorry and surprised you didn't like BF5's CD. Don't use it as a dog frisbee yet. It'll grow.
RS
Name: oleander
sorry for long post
Date: Thursday, March 5, 1998 at 21:20:00
Comments:
Roy--Amen! And ignore that man up there behind the curtain.
Edd--I'm in your front pew too. Is Matisse any less an artist because he did collage? Sampling can produce just noise or astonishing synergy (a la Beck). As long as people acknowledge their debt.
Kinkster--racist pig or all-around fun guy? The jury is out. "Through With Buzz" is tongue-in-cheek, if ill-advised. Do you think Messrs. B & F endorse bigotry in "Barrytown" or domestic abuse in "Everything You Did"? Ugliness can be portrayed without embracing it. I don't think rap's often violent or misogynistic imagery excuses racist caricature. Now are you really coming to Danfest East II? Will you wear the little black mask? Rotate my tires, daddy!
Shindig--well well, welcome back. I agree with your interpretation, and I can hear the sound of Kinky furiously backpedalling through the muck. But do you ever find that you enjoy someone sometimes, even if they get offensive?
Clas--I think I made up "disfest" [like a food fight, except with insults] up. But I may have stolen it and pretended it was mine.
Dr. H--I think you're the Dr. Jekyll in this crowd.
Mock T--Oh come now! Creativity would die without capitalism? Art would perish without ownership? If creativity has not been snuffed by all the holocausts humans have concocted, can a few jacksons be all that stands between art and the void?
lisa--something like that. It also involved a hat.
Great dreams. The collective unconscious. My only dream with SD was seeing them in an airport, and last week I had 2 dreams about the GB.
Actually, I'm not going unless Roy is. Scam? You in?
Name: Lester the Nightfly
CC73647@aol.com
Pangaea
Date: Thursday, March 5, 1998 at 20:20:22
Comments:
Yeah, now I remember you, Dave. Long time, eh. From what I'm reading here I guess SD may be suing those other musicians for the use of Black Cow's line. I wondered if they really would have given permission for their work to be abused in such a way. I hope D+W never sell their songs to other rap artists, Miller Genuine Draft, or Michael Jackson's estate. Still, a rap artist "borrowing" their tunes should also be considered a compliment. Drink your big Black Cow, Beeeeotch.
Name: queenie
i w@nn@ be kate
Date: Thursday, March 5, 1998 at 20:03:25
Comments:
rut ro...i don't think clas will like this...
Name: Mock Turtle
jrsevers@students.wisc.edu
Location: StevejobsisGod.com,
Date: Thursday, March 5, 1998 at 17:46:52
Comments:
The Major's remark about Bill Gates brings up an interesting parallel between the Microsoft legal activities and the Dan legal activities. In the short run, yes, consumers are aided by allowing companies to "fairly" compete with Microsoft by limiting Microsoft's freedom to innovate. However, why would companies be driven to innovate in the future if they knew that, once on top, their business would be stifled? In the end this hurts the consumers' choices. How is this related to our friends, The Dan? Well, if bands' music were being stolen left and right without compensation, they would, of course, lose the desire to write, and then you can say sayonara to good, original music. In this dark future I see Puff Daddy as the newly crowned King of Pop with Sting as his court jester. Don and Walt are killed in a drive-by and the Dan's albums are subsequently re-released by Puff's label, with Donald's vocals removed to make way for Puff Daddy's vapid mutterings.
Anyway, my point is that although it may be nice and entertaining for us to hear sampled music -- hey, I enjoy some rap and musicians like Beck -- in the end all ambition to come up with creative ideas is lost, because ownership is nonexistent. This is also why Microsoft should be allowed free rein to do what they want (By the way, I am a Macuser).
Name: My two cents
for what its worth
Date: Thursday, March 5, 1998 at 13:29:15
Comments:
I think we might have a double standerd here. In many gangster rap songs, I've heard " Kill the white man" "murder the white policeman." And now some one might be insinuating that some rappers smoke crack and it's a anti- black thing ... give me a break!In those lyrics 'we so good at stealing you know we do that. That, like Deja Vu' It sounds like the word 'that' is directly refering to stealing for the song 'Deja Vu' (since it is capitolized).
Name: Kinky
taking a crack @ it
Date: Thursday, March 5, 1998 at 12:44:08
Comments:
Shindig - Interesting take on those lyrics. However, I had some different interpretations:
"We's so good at stealin', you know we do that"
I took that to mean that they were speaking of themselves, not African-Americans in general. Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz did "steal" (or borrow) the bass line in "Black Cow", did they not? It seems that the courts have determined that anyway. However, you are right, the lyrics should have been more along the lines of "we're not very good at stealing", for reasons that equal about a hundred grand.
"How am I gonna buy crack?"For one thing, that word sounds GREAT there (IMHO), and aren't many of the best lyrics used for their sound rather than their literal meaning? Afterall, Steely Dan and the Beatles have been known for using words for their sound. But then again, the word "crack" could mean another chance at fame, another "crack", if you will. Because didn't they have to BUY the bass line from "Black Cow" to get the fame they're enjoying now?
"If it wasn't for the Dan this rap shit probably would never be goin' on"Well, if it wasn't for the Dan's Black Cow" bass line, would this song be as popular as it is? I kind of doubt it. You're obviously taking this line to mean rap in general, which is your own opinion, and fine. But as you can see, we all have our own opinions and interpretations, right?
And as for your opinion that I wrote this, I'm flattered. Cause I laughed my ass off!
One more opinion, if I may... I can infer that you may be homophobic. Afterall, a person wound as tight as you would have a problem with Steely Dan's line "maybe he's a fairy". Wouldn't they?
Name: shindig
shindig@write-me.com
Location: Toronto, Ontario Canada
Date: Thursday, March 5, 1998 at 10:39:15
Comments:
Kinky's Song:
"Hundred grand's what we make off this wretched rap swag
Cause we's so good at stealin', U know we do that
That, like Deja Vu, the Boys caught on and all the shit flew"
Interesting song, Kinky. I admire your initiative, but I found your lyrics to have racist overtones and I am offended. This sort of thing wouldn't be encouraged by a group like Steely Dan. Just because a person is an African American and does Rap doesn't mean, as your lyrics clearly infer, that they also do crack. This is a racist stereotype and I feel obligated to point out that it's offensive to people of African heritage.The "We's so good at stealin'" line creeps me out. It sounds like something from a "coon song". Yeesh. Do you mean to say that African American individuals are better at stealing? This, again, sounds like you are propogating a stereotype and at least to me it isn't funny AT ALL.
To enhance your understanding of Rap as a musical genre that has had an influence on ALL areas of modern North American music I suggest that you start with the rap episode of the "History Of Rock and Roll" series that was recently put out by PBS. It's only about an hour long and you can likely get it from your local library.
What do you mean by "If it wasn't for the Dan this rap shit probably would never be goin' on"? I'm seriously interested in what you are trying to infer with this line.
Anyway, I understand that you intended this to be humourous and I can appreciate that you took the time to do it; but I would urge you to reconsider the next time you infer that black rappers do crack, or that people of African American origin are inclined to steal. Ok?
Thanks,
Shindig.Your tunes lyrics follow...
Say what white man? This is our rap. 'Bout Mtv? U wouldn't even write back
You're dissin' us man, no respect. Just cuz we swiped your song? Now how'm I gonna buy crack?Yo rappers take heed, when you sample from the Dan it ain't for chicken feed
That Dan's got funky grooves, and we can't think of our own 2 use
Next time 'round we'll sample Sting, heard he's hard up for anythingBut if it wasn't for the Dan this rap shit probably never would be goin' on
So tell me what you've conned
Name: Razor Boy
joebj@compmore.net
Location: Kanata, Ont Canada
Date: Thursday, March 5, 1998 at 06:47:27
Comments:
I've always felt that even though music is such a creative/artistic process, it is a business. Any artist or collective has the right to be rewarded for use of their material by others, especially if there are revenues to be realized. Becker and Fagen own the rights to their songs, and there is nothing mercenary about getting what is rightfully owed. True, every artist can fall victim to incorporating small segments of what they have heard, into their own music. But the musician who writes the music, haggles with the record company, records it, produces it and all, owns the song. It seems kind of bogus to think that someone else can take this finished product, incorporate some of it into a song and release a record, and expect not to pay the original artist for it. Would that same artist, who whines that he had to pay royalyties,
give his "new" song to a person writing a jingle for a television commercial, for no compensation? Pay up, or clam up.
Name: Edd
Date: Thursday, March 5, 1998 at 05:05:48
Comments:
> Edd, pay a Steinway?
If the Steinway does something creative, and you sample it then yeah, pay the Steinway.
Name: c
c@w
Date: Thursday, March 5, 1998 at 00:21:52
Comments:
FezChick; thanks, I thought I was alone on that one. Cool dream too.
Edd; pay a Steinway?
RipOff; talking about Joni Mitchell, she sang Jungle Line with Warrior Drums from Burundi as accompaniment, but I guess no one was asking for money.
RUBY; get well! I saw something about El Nino on CNN, I thought about you.
Roy Scam; you were kidding with me? Lisa too, you were kidding with me? I WANT MY MONEY BACK! AMEN.
Someone care for a BenFolds5-CD?
Name: Steely Fan since 7
enslow@jltc.army.mil
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 22:34:08
Comments:
I'd just like to throw my P-Nut into the P-Nut gallery and say that the bashing can just all go straight to hell. I think some have missed the point of SD and the whole aura about the thing.
This sampling conversation should never have occurred. As a real musician, I cannot imbibe the sampling as "real" music. It's just fun stuff. Not very artistic...just kind of like a big hobby. Eat that, and enjoy the taste of truth. But I'm not bashing...because I'll listen to some Coolio now and again...because it's fun. That's the key. Steely Dan...total music for kickin' back and relaxin'. Not too serious. Sure, a borrowed riff here, and a lyric there. Gimme a break. Any real musician knows that 98% of music is borrowed...it's called evolution. Stick with what works.
Lisa and Schwinn.. you two keep on pedalin'!! I enjoyed the chat with ya! (NeelPert)
As for all in this room...no offense and none taken. This is a world in which we all have common ties...Steely Dan people have a quality that makes them similar. What that is, I don't know....but they're sure fun to party with!!!!!
As for you two, Don and Walt...keep makin' the music if you feel the need. Don't make it to please the fans, just do what you did when you started...smooth out and take an easy ride. The lifestyle is where the music came from. "Close your eyes and you'll be there..." I'll see you two down in Portobello, Panama...with two cold cervezas ready to go. Listos, amigos? Vamanos, pues!!
Adios.
The Man that was raised on The Dan.
Name: Kinky
KinkySoNSo@aol.com
Location: Greenwich, CT
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 22:30:41
Comments:
I guess living in CT has its advantages. I ran across a guy the other day that works for Crack Records and we were talking about that Black Cow sample. Well, I guess those rappers were so pissed off, they wrote a follow-up. This guy actually gave me a rough demo of the new one, along with the lyrics. They still used Black Cow, but the lyrics reveal that they're not too happy with the settlement. Anyway, I posted a sound byte on my page along with a new publicity shot of the guys with the Aja album in their hand. According to my source, they figured that if they posed with Aja, they wouldn't have to give up another hundred grand.
http://members.aol.com/KinkySoNSo/Rap.html
Lisa - I'll be there
Name: maj©
frontier@uscom.com
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 21:43:21
Comments:
Cool. Dream talk. I like that. If you remember when.... or check the archives....I posted about the dream where the Dan was playing in my backyard, I didnt realize at first it was them, plus, I wasn't on the beach, I was in my attic looking out the back window into the yard. I see an X-file starting. And if it becomes a movie, I want to see the eel's version anyway. My attic is boring.
Let me weigh in again on this sampling thing.... yesterday morning, a student commented on using samples and it struck me as to why ease of access is not a good thing. We were listening to the beginning of the remix of "Helpline Operator" by The The. And the student said that he's like to sample it. Maybe it was the way or quickness of his response that got me, but I get concerned about the ease with which people are ready to *convert* another's work as their own. I see it happening all the time as students "download" their next period's report off the internet AND don't bat an eye about the ethical problem.
Furthermore, I mentioned to the female student who played me that "Deja Vu" song and sample of Black Cow that supposedly the rappers paid a royalty of $105K. She thought they were crazy for doing that and said, and I quote, "Tell your *friends* (W+D) that they should give it for free."
Too many people want everything to be free. I'm getting sick of it.
Later on today, that rap song came on the radio - the kid's station set in the school store. So for a few minutes, I got to bop to the sample while they bopped to the rap. And when they went to shut it off and leave for class, I said turn it back on and they looked at me like I was crazy for wanting to hear the end of the song.
BTW, I was riveted by the panel testifying on competiton in the computer industry yesterday. Anyone catch that? I wonder what Bill Gate's favorite Steely Dan album is? Royal Scam, probably.
"...See the glory..."
maj©
Name: Double Felix
dre@mon
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 20:37:20
Comments:
TO: Fez Chick and Moray Eel (Defendants)
FROM: Double Felix (Plaintiff)Those dreams are not your own! They are virtually identical to a recurring dream I've had for quite some time, (except for the part where Joni Mitchell tells me to "throw out the hardware" and to "stick some quarters in the Fretless Wonder"). Anyway, your loss and my gain. I've counted 8 similarities and that means you better get some legal advice. Judge Judy has my records and you'll be contacted soon...
Rap with your Cane,
DF
Name: moray eel
Virgin ? Islands
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 19:05:24
Comments:
Fez Chick: I had the exact same dream except that I was playing drums with Don and Walt; and it was a topless beach. There was quite a gathering of young ladies that kept cheering us on. We were right in the middle of Rose Darling, when several of the women approached me and began making sexual innuendos:
"Hey Mr. Eel, that's a mighty big drumstick ya got there," one girl exclaimed.
"Maybe WE can make some good music together," another girl suggested.
Well, eventually their sexual harassment caused me to lose my focus and I completely lost the rhythm of the tune. Donald immediately turned around and fired me on the spot. Is that fair I ask you?
Oh yeah...and then I woke up.
m.e.
Name: just a poor people sleepin
with a shade on the light
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 17:11:57
Comments:
Fezchick: Gotta love that dream! Can you describe what the unplugged version of Rikki sounds like? I think I'll try sleeping in my SD shirt. Glad you are better!Please pass the heavy meds.
Name: Geena
drinking kirschwasser from a shell
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 16:40:47
Comments:
Mike Harrison: I second that!
Name: Truls Werner
truls@werner.no
Location: Porsgrunn, Telemark Norway
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 14:46:00
Comments:
NO html tags sucks so I sign in without my Fez on....
Love Truls
Name: ripoff
standing@theripoffxroad
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 13:56:02
Comments:
Was there any sampling before rap?
Not that I recall, and I may be wrong.
ripping off "riffs" is very common, but in my mind different from sampling. I can appreciate Stevie Ray doing a "remake" of
"The Sky Is Crying", but to chop it up, roll it around and spit it
out, that's not art. That is foolishness. True art is CREATING,
not borrowing or stealing. I did hear the tune that has the Fez
intro. Ripping off riffs or sampling? Where do you draw the line?
It makes you wonder. Creativity VS Money!On another note. I purchased Janis Ian's, Hunger CD. Not bad.
It has a early Joni Mitchell feel. Can anyone tell me if Grover Washington Jr. was ever considered for a Dan session?
Should he be?
Name: Roy.Scam
the front pew
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 12:46:47
Comments:
Can Reverend Harrison get an Amen?
Name: Mike Harrison
FoMoCoMav@aol.com
Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca. U.S.A.
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 12:28:26
Comments:
There is not a finer set of musicians than the Steely Dan clan, to include Larry Carlton and the rest of the backup for music that will last forever. Walter and Donald's music gets inside of you and changes you, so don't be afraid you young danner's go ahead take the chance play it some more and watch yourself change. We must all stay together and keep supporting Steely Dan for when the support dies the music suffers. I've got 22 years of SD in my blood so I will always be here for them, stay with me people while we take SD into the new millenium..........
Name: Edd
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 10:16:43
Comments:
Sampling is as creative as any other art.
Just pay for what you sample.
Name: RubyBaby
wherever Oleander is shopping!
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 09:55:56
Comments:
What is the difference between sampling and stealing? Does it have to do with intent? Is it purely objective or is there a valid subjective interpretation, at least some of the time?
And what about the phrase *immitation is the highest form of flattery* ? How does that fit in?
I recall a cool benefit of sampling, when a Major poster noted that sampling bridged a Generational Gap. Who knows where that might lead?
But does the end justify the means?Hank: You haven't lost your touch. You still have a way with words!
Clas: long time, no e. El Nino has not only increased my PMS symptoms and heightened a flirtatious surge, it's intensified my laughter and caused my intuition to go off the charts. However, randomness is at an all time high, and I struggle to regain some organization in my life. Please be patient with me. Thanks for the great photo! It came out just FINE! You're a peach!
rb
Name: FezChick
Only a fool would say that
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 04:30:14
Comments:
Unfortunately, the flu has kept me off the GB for some time now. Glad to be back!
During my illness, I had a really strange dream concerning Mr. Becker and Mr. Fagan. (I really feel that it had something to do with the heavy medication that I was on and the fact that I was sleeping in a Steely Dan, Alive In America T-shirt!)
Anyway, it went something like this:
While strolling along the beach, I came upon two gentlemen who were having somewhat of a jam session. Several others were listening with much interest and enthusiasm. For a long while I did not know who these musicians were and the tunes they were playing were unfamiliar to me. Then, they broke into a sort of "Unplugged" version of Rikki Don't Loose That Number, and immediately it dawned on me that I had come face-to-face with THE DAN! Sadly, my dream ended before I could introduce myself to my favorite musicians of all time. However, I have analyzed this dream and have decided that the others who were listening were DAN FAN GB writers, and the reason that I did not recognize the songs was that they were some of the soon-to-be released tunes from their upcoming album. Wish I could remember how they went!
Sigh . . .
Oblomov:
I'm with you on that! I don't feel that music really soothes the savage beast. Or at least me, when I'm blue!
Name: c
c@w
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 01:00:03
Comments:
Thanks StAl and Hip 16 year Old Dan-Fan. Now I am depressed.
Name: oblomov
c@w
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 1998 at 00:19:48
Comments:
Oleander, what is disfest? Can't find the word.
Roy Scam; thanks, I had Time Out Of Mind in the back of my head but I was wrong. And yeah, mr Jackson probably got the Loops, strange though he seems to be so out of loop.
Dr Stevie Dan; I think mr Jarret already has been given money.
And I must ask you folks something, can you listen to music when you are feeling real bad? I can't. Music has never been any comfort to me when I'm down and depressed. I've always heard people say that music is the best medicin for them when they are feeling low. Can't understand it. Anyone?
Ilja Iljitj
Name: Hardgroove
serpentineshell
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 at 23:19:09
Comments:
Oleander--Bravo for putting Schwinn the Fugitive in his place. Likewise for the so called, "Son of William". There is darkness in the Dan depths that few can fathom and both of these boys seem to have succumbed to the Berrytown Bends. We can only hope Schwinn's poetry remains intact and that Slimmy's dream of some day starring in "The Eddie Haskell Story" haven't been dampened by their own disturbing crimes against you and the GB. I should know. They conspired to shrink-wrap a "Best of Quicksilver Messenger Service" CD in a Ben Fold's Five jewell box, causing me severe ridicule and shame on this very guestbook. Where does one draw the line between impish shenanigans and hurtful bevaviour? I hope these two smart-alecks realize they have crossed the 7 bar limit of legality...
Not REALLY Drinking a Big Black Cow,Doc
Name: oleander
rant o rama
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 at 19:32:32
Comments:
Very cool discussion on sampling and whining, esp. Dr. Mu on quoting vs. ripping off. Fine line. RS--I'm ditto Geena & Fez O', but you got my flavah wrong. And thanx Hanx! Too funny.
Now the rant. I think disfests are a waste of time and of GB space, and they bore me. A few parting words to Slimmy: 1) I am not a GB old timer; 2) I claim no erudition, only a love of the music; 3) you've taught this old dog a couple of things: don't joke with Dr. Jekyll or you'll get Mr. Hyde, and if you see him change once, you're a fool to turn your back to him again; and 4) I'm not the only GBer who has "Apogee"--you don't have to deal with me.
And Schwinn--Remember Paul Muad-Dib's armor in "Dune"? It would repel hard, straightforward blows, but a slow, indirect stab would penetrate. Is that your strategy? For months, your poetic banter with lisa has been a source of pleasure. What a disappointment that you'd resort to indirect attack, smokescreen insults with oblique lyricism, and not even do a little archiving yourself to check your accusations. Which are wrong. Who's stabbing whom in the back? And to set the record straight, I am not now nor have I ever been a flower child.
End of rant. The discussions below show why I come here--the music, and the diversity, synchronicity, unpredictability, weirdness, intelligence, and always interesting unfolding of a unique community. Haven't been let down yet.
Name: maj©
frontier@uscom.com
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 at 17:54:51
Comments:
I confess. I'm tangled up in tape.
maj©
Name: Joe M
JGMurtha@aol.com
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 at 13:46:11
Comments:
Re: StAl's sampled link,
Now if it wasn't for the Dan
This rap, definitely never would be goin' on
So tell me, am I wrong?Copyright © 1998 Joe Murtha (all rights reserved)
Name: StAlphonzo
allthishubub
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 at 13:06:02
Comments:
DOnated by a very hip 16 year old Dan Fan, heres a sound clip of the sample everyone seems to be talking about:
http://www.seanet.com/Users/stalfnzo/media/uptown.wav
Name: DrMu
gently squeeze them
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 at 13:06:01
Comments:
Rpy: Yeah, now we know what was hiding behind the black shirt.
Name: DR.Stevie Dan
stevev@jps.net
Location: copyrights.org,
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 at 11:48:26
Comments:
re: rappers criticism of Steely Dan
"grow up and write your own songs.." Becker and Fagen had been slaves for six years with the mafia controlled ABC Dunhill Records by the time they penned 'Black Cow'...if you want to use the actual recording of the song then , of course you have to pay a huge royalty, and maybe the reason they didn't respond to your request to play on MTV, is that a) MTV blows b)your song isn't that good c) they are busy recording their new album
"be glad if you can use what you borrow"- Fagen and Becker always borrowed riffs and at time lyrics (there ain't nothing in Chicago for a monkey woman..) from jazz records and stated as much in many an interview...Becker once quipped that 'I Got The News' was compsed from parts od different songs called "I got the news".....but I do think they should give Horace Silver a chunk of change from the 'Rikki' royalties....but don't give any money to Keith Jarret for 'Gaucho'... that is how I seez it...Dr. sv dan.....
opening day is less than a month away: The Mets Will Win the Pennant!!
Name: Joe M
JGMurtha@aol.com
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 at 09:40:48
Comments:
Please to excuse the lack of Dan content here but I am so completely enamored with this new Marc Johnson offering "The Sound of Summer Running" that I thought I'd recommend it here for fans of this genre. It ain't "Bass Desires" though, it's a departure for Mr. Johnson and company. If you like Metheny and Frisell, this one's a keeper.
Frisell's angular approach to the guitar is outstanding on "The Adventures of Max and Ben" and Metheny's melodic soloing technique is simply chilling on "Faith In You". There are several "Beyond The Missouri Sky" type numbers featured as well except they're not nearly as somber as all that.
Sample This: I personally don't "get" the whole idea of sampling someone elses material and then wishing to call it your own - unless of course you don't have any real ideas of your own.
I like the way different sounds have been sampled and used in an interesting way as an integral part of a piece of music. Lyle Mays, for instance, does this sort of thing all the time. He's forever activating interesting pre-sampled sounds from his keyboard on stage when playing with PMG. These sounds are used as filler and at times to create musical tension and dissonance, but they are not used as "the" basis for an entire piece - and they have not been lifted from other artists recordings but instead from ambient "public domain" noise.
Just my $0.02
Name: Roy.Scam
the kid is not my song
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 at 09:32:22
Comments:
Mr. LaPage: Bob Dylan can take care of himself. I think the Grammy Awards are the life support project of the music industry.
HankSilvers: Good "Chain Lightning" rewrite. I left the Guestbook humming along. Maybe that's what the song was about in the first place, with the phrase "Twenty three years later" stuck between the verses.
Dr Mu--Point of trivia: Randy Newman's "It's Money that Matters" had Mark Knopfler (a one-time Steely Dan session man) on guitar and was on an album that included Randy's only recorded rap song "The Master Man and Baby J". Is there a coincidence somewhere in there?
DrMu2: Were you referring to the similarity between one of our GB regulars and a certain Ben Folds Five fictional character who "could never love a woman with cellulite"?
Clas: There's a definite melodic closeness between the refrain of "Billie Jean" and the 'Lost Wages' chant of "Show Biz Kids".
Maybe Michael got the rights to that infamous loop of tape.RS
Name: c
c@w
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 at 06:14:44
Comments:
Hey now!
Apropos infringements, I read the other day that Micheal Jacksons "Billy Jean" was very much " inspired" from a Steely Dan song. Which?
Name: Edd
@last
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 at 03:28:05
Comments:
re: 7 measure "upper limit" on sampling...
There is no such limit. Under certain circumstances, a single word (or less) could be an infringement.
Edd
Name: c
@ chime ranching
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 at 00:55:54
Comments:
Did I say "needles"?
Oh, and hi Geena (Rowlands?).
Name: clas
@ lime fanzing
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 at 00:38:01
Comments:
Oh yes, Dr MU; maybe needles to say, but you are right.
Name: clas
@ dime dancing
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 23:41:37
Comments:
Lisa: Hi! Yes, it's always nice to be there. Quiet. I'd like to hide there for a year. Grow a beard and never take a shower. Today I hate this town.
Ripoff: I heard it was five seconds.
StAl: Where shall I send my köttbullar-recipe?
Name: The Gaucho Amigo
engles@nku.edu
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 23:23:30
Comments:
Speaking of sampling,there's a new song called,"I Know Where It's At"by All Saints.They are a bunch of Spice Girl wanna-be's with three white chicks and one black.The black chick has a tatoo on her breast instead of her stomach like Scary.At the beginning of the song,they use the opening piano chords from "The Fez"but the chords are not in the same sequence as "The Fez".They cut up the tape and re-sequenced it.I wonder if they still havr to pay for it.Anyone else heard it?
Name: bowser
@rkans@s
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 22:53:34
Comments:
st.al please archive this big bastard so my browser will handle it!
ambush and a french twist
Name: Sloopy
h@ngon
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 22:48:54
Comments:
Maj
Make no mistake. Those 60' loops did not end with Countdown. They were alive and well with the Nightfly. This is just my way of calling Edd back to the fold...
As the facts unraveled I found this to be true,
The Hanger On
Name: Mock Turtle
@southland.com
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 20:43:19
Comments:
Well, people, now that the royalties are going to the good guys, I must admit I bit the bullet and bought the single Deja Vu, just to see what all the fuss was about — man! I've really gotta say: the rapping absoulutely STINKS! I never thought making it into the (c)rap industry was particularly difficult, but if you agree that rapping requires a modicum of talent, these guys ain't got it. But hey, it's wildly popular, so what do I know, right? Also: why can't these people come up with a two-second repeating bass line themselves? Even if it differed from Black Cow EVER SO SLIGHTLY, they would own the song a whopping 100%, instead of 0%. Well, I guess rap stars were never chosen for their brains.
Name: maj©
frontier@uscom.com
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 20:42:55
Comments:
Soon we'll all be able to sample our favorite Dan, mix it into our own compositions, and play it for our own pleasure. And not pay a freakin' dime. Can do it now, with any of the sound recorder programs. Try the FM vamp. Or the "BFF"-ish intro to My Old School.
And to think it wasn't so long ago that Donald and Katz were looping that 60-footer around the studio for Show Biz Kids....
maj©
Name: Lawyers in Love
sorryit'strademarked
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 18:52:11
Comments:
Yes, 7 bars. However, if business continues to be slow we'll change that to 6 bars.
Happy Sampling
J. Browne
Name: ripoff?
ripvanwinkle
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 18:19:10
Comments:
I read somewhere that it's not illegal to copy until you surpass
"7 bars". Anyone hear the same?Just think, If Lord Turd or whatever their names are would have
thought of that riff in the 1st place, we would be praising them and writing on their page. Hmmmm.Rip-n-Roll.
Name: Jennifer Ellis
jellis4@bayou.uh.edu
Location: Houston, TX United States
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 15:21:01
Comments:
What in the world would we do without the internet? I don't know but I must say I was pleased with the web page for Steely Dan. Now I can see what all the obscurity was about. Hmm... I have to give credit where credit is due and say that Steely Dan has a place among my favorite rhythm and blues bands. AND HEY, THAT'S A COMPLIMENT.
Name: DrMu
Are we this naive?
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 11:10:47
Comments:
Grubbing: You have half a point, but unfortunately it's money that matters (as in Randy Newman's classic) and principal. Credit should be given where appropriate (this has often been loosely done by a number of artists including Dan; for example, of Erykah Badu's album, the intro takes exact phrases from Miles Davis' "So What" without credit). I hear pieces of Miles for example on Babylon Sisters. But to lift part or all of a finished work with today's technology requires compensation. It's the difference between referencing an idea vs. making a photocopy of it (one sin is much more venial) and passing it off as your own. No one held a gun to their head. It was a CHOICE.
A point about context should be made. In academics, the authors must bear the publication costs including reprints, and the work is photocopied (with any luck) globally as it's disseminated. Not one thin dime for what may be hundreds of finished products over a career.
Name: Shindig
shindig@write-me.com
Location: Toronto, Bliss Kanada
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 10:42:37
Comments:
I got no mercy for a man and his tears.
He's just living a lie.Welp, what can I tell you? It's not like it's a new thing for a sampled tune to become the property of the sampled band. Look at what happened recently with da Stones and that tune that was supposedly ripped from a symphonic Stones lp. You wanna dance with Don & Walt then you gotta be prepared to play the spoons in their legal rock opera, buddy.
Ice ice baby,
Shindig.
Name: Donald & Walter
Are Becoming Sad Old Money Grubbers
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 09:43:20
Comments:
Didn't Donald and Walter rip off Horace Silver's 'Song For My Father' for 'Rikki'? They sure as hell didn't pay for it. They should be ashamed of themselves taking advantage of people of color like they do. Looks like Donald and Walter finally learned something from their mentor Irving Azoff. Fuck young musicians in the ass and don't use any Vaseline.
Name: Joe M
JGMurtha@aol.com
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 08:48:12
Comments:
NotMyNancy: It's interesting that when Miles decided to move away from modal conventions in the early 60's, he altered his entire musical approach by replacing Garland with Hancock, Chambers with Carter, Philly Joe with Williams, and the substitution that probably had the greatest impact on the new direction, Trane with Shorter. Although Miles continued to include modal stuff like "So What" in set lists with the new Quintet, Shorter and Williams unique approach served to abstract the old tunes to the point where they were virtually unidentifiable from the originals.
If, as you say, Don+Walt's musical idea behind "Aja" was to avoid blue notes - and Shorters compositions and solo's do indeed puritanically avoid blues modality (Miles, it would appear, seemed to think so), then who better than Wayne Shorter to provide a brilliant and seamless solo over those incredbile changes on "Aja". I think I agree you. This may well have been Don+Walt's rationale for using Shorter... That or the fact that the man can simply blow his ass off.
Having said all of that, I've always considered "Aja" to be modal influenced. Can a tune be modal influenced while avoiding blue notes and blues modality? Didn't "Blues and the Abstract Truth" prove that back in '61? I dunno... Speaking of BATAT, imagine what Eric Dolphy would've done with "Aja"... Ole?
Side note: Beat poet Jack Micheline checked out of the big show Friday. Let's see, that's Burroughs, Ginsberg and now Micheline in the past year or so. Hell, the only genuine Beats left now are Dylan, Pynchon and Don+Walt... Live on lads!
Name: DrMu
begladifyoucanusewhatyouborrow
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 07:23:47
Comments:
The pawned their crown for a ride uptown.
Most muscicians of virtually any age stand on the shoulders of Giants. The difference is: does it inspire a Painting or a Collage?
Roy: You were right about about "Steven." Should we warn him about the cellulite bikers?
Name: Hank Silvers
c/o Weird Al
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 06:45:03
Comments:
Yo, Torq and Gunz -- y'all can have this one free:
Some payoff
A hundred grand
Much higher
Than you had planned
You're dealin'
With Steely Dan
Try sampling
Some other bandYou're boyz in a different 'hood
Yes it's just business -- it pays so good. . .
Name: MrLaPage
sampling the goods
Date: Monday, March 2, 1998 at 06:35:06
Comments:
Yeah. Now that I stop to think about it, all of Aja sounds like a great big sampling of Bob James tunes. But Bob James rocks (or jazzes). And this whole sampling thing, if allowed to continue, will resolve itself. In five years, there won't be anything left for sampling. Unless some group (like the Fugees) does samplings of samplings.
RoyScam: Do you think Bob Dylan has become the music industry's answer to Christopher Reeve?
Name: Mock Turtle
*
Date: Sunday, March 1, 1998 at 20:33:58
Comments:
For those who condemn musicians who use other people's music, I've got one word for you: Gaucho.
Name: The Master Bluesman
Rimsky58@aol.com
Location: Lockport, NY USA
Date: Sunday, March 1, 1998 at 16:14:35
Comments:
I'm a Dan fan from way back. I am particularly interested in their guitar players. They rule, man!
Name: lisa
@ddendum
Date: Sunday, March 1, 1998 at 14:15:40
Comments:
my dear mr. fez...i do hope you'll be able to come for a day (at least)...plus, if you are willing to "shake it" for cash, we girls can more than compensate for your time missed from work.
fist fulla dollar$,
lisa
Name: lisa
s@mple pl@tter
Date: Sunday, March 1, 1998 at 14:03:19
Comments:
hi clas!! did you enjoy your trip to the country? i missed hearing from you, plus i had to contend with the young samantha as she lamented your absence...what a tough week this has been!
mr. turtle...you are back, this time with words of wisdom AND drug references! i have seen the positive aspects of sampling...
as you mentioned, it does provide an opportunity for a new generation to be exposed to the dan...sometimes, in order to get your point across, you must convert into the vernacular...we want them to get it, right? but, i suppose it would be so unlike our heroes to attempt a dip in the mainstream...ole...what does minah do on the table?? will he provide us with a dose of silky-boy shakability? as far as kinky goes, i don't believe he'll be able to face the barrage of female attention we could bestow on him...i have a feeling he is all mouth and no motion.
schwinn...keep the big bike pointed this way...it's a direction that will never fail you...i meant what i said last night and i intend to keep those promises.
sbk
Name: fezo
notvanillaintellectual.com
Date: Sunday, March 1, 1998 at 13:42:03
Comments:
so what were Donald and Walter supposed to do . . . donate the song to Lord Torq and Peter Gunz (you know, those names don't sound too original either, maybe they'll have to be paying somebody else off soon). Unlike McCartney and Lennon--at least part of the Beatles catalogue is now owned by, of all people, Michael Jackson--D & F were smart enought to hold on to the rights to their compositions; they should be able to market them as they see fit. I don't see how any criticism by Torq and Gunz is justified.
lisa: not sure if I can make the Williamsburg smokefest in April. I'l try to float down for one day but spring is actually the one time of year I have to work for a living. Though I must confess the thought of more towels and witnessing your secret squirrel magic face-to-face is very tempting. Oh hell, maybe I'll just quit my job.
fezo
Name: Mock Turtle
*
Date: Sunday, March 1, 1998 at 12:59:56
Comments:
Hmmm. Becker and Fagen took the high road. Just when I thought the whole music industry was going to pot....
Just to get some things off my chest: I HATE Puff Daddy and I lost a lot of respect for Sting after that whole MTV debacle. Yes, maybe Don & Walt made a hundred grand off of the sampling, but they 'coulda made a whole lot MORE by taking the Sting route and submitting to these thieves. They would also have gained a lot of exposure to a younger crowd á la Sting. Right before their upcoming album, to boot.
Yes, they could have done this. Hell, in a way I would almost have wanted them to, because I strongly support any Dan exposure. But they proved to be their usual classy selves. Cool.
Name: Geena
Glamrock Profession
Date: Sunday, March 1, 1998 at 12:07:35
Comments:
Clas: Hey Baby! long time no contact! I miss you darling. WOW! you've got quite a harem of lovely ladies pursuing your gorgeous physique, not to mention your handsome good looks...However, I know in time you will choose the right one and the only one...ahem...
Roy: I hope you're not including me in your group of comfortable vanilla intellectuals...i'm far from vanilla...maybe a little mocha. I speak from my heart and personal opinion...having worked in the music biz for 11 years, I also speak from experience. That's the nature of the entertainment beast. Whining is a pre-requisite, if you wanna join. I've done a lot of it myself, and when i became fed up with all of it...i left by my own choice.
Are they Whiny? yes, Exploitive? yes, Talentless? no, there the norm. Crackheads? that's their business, but we forgot to add cocky to that list. The little blurb in RS said it all...
There are a lot of great musicians out there who would forego any of their bodyparts to get some acknowledgement. Unfortunately, they'll probably never see the inside of a studio, let alone sign a recording contract. Tariq and Gunz should consider themselves lucky.
Name: clas
c@w
Location: back in stockholm,
Date: Sunday, March 1, 1998 at 09:23:48
Comments:
Ruby; how's my little girl?
Lisa; how's my little girl?
Sunny; how's my little girl?
Geena; how's my little girl?
Oleander; how ho how how howdy.
Name: Roy.Scam
before hollywood
Date: Sunday, March 1, 1998 at 08:08:20
Comments:
On the Torque & Gunz issue: I guess it's easy for comfortable vanilla intellectuals to rally behind comfortable vanilla intellectuals.--The record is more of a tribute than a dis; and, at least, these guys recognize good music. They're doing the Dan more good than harm.--Didn't the Dan experience some similar disappointment when, for whatever reason, their East St. Louis TL went unacknowledged? I vote for at least speaking with the guys and maybe actually hearing them out before deciding whether they're whiny, exploitive, talentless crackheads.
Slim and Schwinn: Quoting does not equate to stealing. Discussion does not equate to warfare.
RS
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