User: C | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Robert Fisk: The monster of Baghdad is now the hero of Arabia.
This is now a nationalist war against the most obvious kind of imperial power
01 April 2003
So it's a "truly remarkable achievement'', is it? General Tommy Franks
says so. Everything is going "according to plan'', according to the British. So
it's an achievement that the British still have not "liberated" Basra. It is
"according to plan" that the Iraqis should be able to launch a scud missile from
the Faw peninsula û supposedly under "British control" for more than a week. It
is an achievement, truly remarkable of course, that the Americans lose an Apache
helicopter to the gun of an Iraqi peasant, spend four days trying to cross the
river bridges at Nasiriyah and are then confronted by their first suicide bomber
at Najaf.
One half of the entire Anglo-American force û still called 'the coalition' by journalists who like to pretend it includes 35 armies rather than two and a bit (the "bit" being the Australian special forces) û is now guarding and running the supply line through the desert. And Baghdad is bombed but not besieged.
The military "plan" is so secret, according to General Franks, that very few people have seen it all or understand it. But his plan he says, is "highly flexible''; it would have to be, to sustain the chaos of the past 12 days, and, of course, we hold the moral high ground. The Americans bomb a passenger bus close to the Syrian border and don't even apologise. An Iraqi soldier kills himself attacking US marines and it is an act of "terrorism''. And now Secretary of State Colin Powell announces û to the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee, the largest Israeli lobby group in the US who of course support this illegal war û that Syria and Iran are "supporting terror groups'' and will have to "face the consequences''.
So what's the plan? Are we going to forget Baghdad for a few months and wheel our young soldiers west to surround Damascus? Where, for heaven's sake, is all this going? We were going to "liberate" Iraq. But the war could be "long and difficult'', Bush now tells us û he didn't tell us that before, did he? û and, according to Tony Blair, this is "only the beginning.'' Really?
Strange, isn't it, how all that fuss about chemical and biological warfare has been forgotten. The "secret" weapons, the gas masks, the anti-anthrax injections, the pills and chemical suits have been erased from the story û because bullets and rocket-propelled grenades are now the real danger to British and American forces in Iraq. Even the "siege of Baghdad" û a city that is 30 miles wide and might need a quarter of a million men to surround it û is fading from the diary.
Sitting in Baghdad, listening to the God-awful propaganda rhetoric of the Iraqis but watching the often promiscuous American and British air attacks, I have a suspicion that what's gone wrong has nothing to do with plans. Indeed, I suspect there is no real overall plan. Because I rather think that this war's foundations were based not on military planning but on ideology.
Long ago, as we know, the right wing pro-Israeli lobbyists around Bush planned the overthrow of Saddam. This would destroy the most powerful Arab state in the Middle East û Israel's chief of staff, Shoal Mofaz, demanded that the war should start even earlier û and allow the map of the region to be changed forever. Powell stated just this a month ago. False intelligence information was mixed up with the desires of the corrupt and infiltrated Iraqi opposition.
Fantasies and illusions were given credibility by a kind of superpower moral overdrive. Any kind of mendacity could be used to fuel this ideological project û 11 September (oddly unmentioned now), links between Saddam and Osama bin Laden (unproven), weapons of mass destruction (hitherto unfound), human rights abuses (at which we originally connived when Saddam was our friend) and, finally, the most heroic project of all û the "liberation" of the people of Iraq.
Oil was not mentioned, although it is the dominating factor in this illegitimate conflict û no wonder General Franks admitted that his first concern, prior to the war, was the "protection'' of the southern Iraqi oil fields. So it was to be "liberation" and "democracy". How boldly we crossed the border. With what lordly aims we invaded Iraq.
Few Iraqis doubt û even the ministers in Baghdad speak about this û that the Americans could, ultimately, occupy the country. They have the force and they have the weapons to smash their way into every city and rule the land by martial law. But can they make Iraqis submit to that rule? Unless the masses rise up as Bush and Blair hope, this is now a nationalist war against the most obvious kind of imperial power. Without Iraqi support, how can General Franks run a military dictatorship or find Iraqis willing to serve him or run the oilfields? The Americans can win the war. But if their project fails they will have lost.
Yet there is one achievement we should note. The ghastly Saddam, the most
revolting dictator in the Arab world, who does indeed use heinous torture and
has indeed used gas, is now leading a country that is fighting the world's only
superpower and that has done so for almost two weeks without surrendering. Yes,
General Tommy Franks has accomplished one "truly remarkable achievement''. He
has turned the monster of Baghdad into the hero of the Arab world and allowed
Iraqis to teach every opponent of America how to fight their enemy.
1 April 2003 09:18
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Gina, I presume. :-)
User: She was working as a waitress and a bobtail barfed ... | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Sorry Angel, just couldn't resist :-)
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Tones: Expectations. Countdown would be nice. But then again, anything would be nice. Even Kind Spirit with real lyrics.... :-)
Mu: I waded through that entire post. Just thought you would appreciate some positive feedback on it.
jjeff: Yes, we did discuss spraying and I remember mentioning the LA
connection. As in I live in LA and we don't spray, as a rule. Of course after
the bug that was in my den last night, I might make an exception today.
Sort
of Steely Dan related plant action. I have a tendency to plant roses for
reasons. The first ones I planted were red, white and blue (in that order). I
have planted them for people who have passed on, in their memory, or for
significant dates in people's lives, etc. Planted a rose last week called
Perfect Moment. A 2 colored flower that reminds me of a particular dynamic duo,
who are very different, but come together to make something so much more then
its parts. Perfection and grace....
User: Gina | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Van the Man omnipresent in Dan Fan land i see :-)
Doc Mu, because of your post i had to gulp down my green tea and hurry out the door ...
Listening to Gaslighting Abbie now ... sometimes when listening the ears are
fixed or focussed on specific sounds, noises or an instrument. The guitars are
in the spotlight today ...
And because of GA, where's Cara
Mia?????????????????
SARS is just 20 km away from my town Maastricht now, a victim ( a soldier who
returned fro Asia) now in the hospital in Luik/Liege, Belgium. Don't like it.
Don't like it at all. The number of casualities of this disease is
disturbing.
How to fight these invisible armies of germs or virusses and
cells ...
They're working hard real hard to find solutions ...
User: Rough God Goes Riding | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message:
Oh the mud splattered victims
Have to pay out all
along the ancient highway
Torn between half truth and
victimisation
Fighting back with counter attacks
It's when that rough god goes riding
When the rough god goes
gliding
And then rough god goes riding
Riding on in
I was flabbergasted by the headlines
People in glasshouses throwing
stones
Gaping wounds that will never heal
Now they're moaning like a dog
in a manger
It's when that rough god goes riding
And then the rough god goes
gliding
There'll be nobody hiding
When that rough god comes riding on in
And it's a matter of survival
When you're born with your back against the
wall
Won't somebody hand me a bible
Won't you give me that number to call
When that rough god goes riding
And then that rough god goes
gliding
They'll be nobody hiding
When that rough god goes riding on
in
Riding on in
When that rough god goes riding
When that rough god goes
gliding
There'll be nobody hiding
When that rough god goes riding on
in
Riding on in
There'll be no more heroes
They'll be reduced to zero
When that rough
god goes riding
Riding on in
Riding on in
Riding on in
Riding on in
Van Morrison (1997)
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: I believe him.
User: W1P | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Aus, does this guy work for you?
NEW YORK -- Federal investigators have arrested an enigmatic Wall Street wiz on insider-trading charges -- and incredibly, he claims to be a time-traveler from the year 2256!
Sources at the Security and Exchange Commission confirm that 44-year-old Andrew Carlssin offered the bizarre explanation for his uncanny success in the stock market after being led off in handcuffs on January 28.
"We don't believe this guy's story -- he's either a lunatic or a pathological liar," says an SEC insider.
"But the fact is, with an initial investment of only $800, in two weeks' time he had a portfolio valued at over $350 million. Every trade he made capitalized on unexpected business developments, which simply can't be pure luck.
"The only way he could pull it off is with illegal inside information. He's going to sit in a jail cell on Rikers Island until he agrees to give up his sources."
The past year of nose-diving stock prices has left most investors crying in their beer. So when Carlssin made a flurry of 126 high-risk trades and came out the winner every time, it raised the eyebrows of Wall Street watchdogs.
"If a company's stock rose due to a merger or technological breakthrough that was supposed to be secret, Mr. Carlssin somehow knew about it in advance," says the SEC source close to the hush-hush, ongoing investigation.
When investigators hauled Carlssin in for questioning, they got more than they bargained for: A mind-boggling four-hour confession.
Carlssin declared that he had traveled back in time from over 200 years in the future, when it is common knowledge that our era experienced one of the worst stock plunges in history. Yet anyone armed with knowledge of the handful of stocks destined to go through the roof could make a fortune.
"It was just too tempting to resist," Carlssin allegedly said in his videotaped confession. "I had planned to make it look natural, you know, lose a little here and there so it doesn't look too perfect. But I just got caught in the moment."
In a bid for leniency, Carlssin has reportedly offered to divulge "historical facts" such as the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden and a cure for AIDS.
All he wants is to be allowed to return to the future in his "time craft."
However, he refuses to reveal the location of the machine or discuss how it works, supposedly out of fear the technology could "fall into the wrong hands."
Officials are quite confident the "time-traveler's" claims are bogus. Yet the SEC source admits, "No one can find any record of any Andrew Carlssin existing anywhere before December 2002."
Weekly World News will continue to follow this story as it unfolds. Keep watching for further developments.
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: A¯u - too funny! Where can I get that outtake, you know, the one with the vocals, before the 3rd take but with the 2nd drummer...?
Seriously, that was good...
User: Dano | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Forgot all aboot you meely mob!!
So whats happening
people?? Been captured at work bigtime lately...
StAl , talking of playing old stuff lately , One Size Fits All and Grievious Angel by Gram Parsons have been takin a hit on the old Vinyl when the Gold Watch(Scotch)came out on Saturday night , ma heeed next day was like a nippy sweetie but it was good to hear Zappa again.
Sneakers , Did you book a hotel for the Danfest, and was you at the game on Saturday?? Will be happy with any point in Lithuania never mind three??I think we are a bit optimistic for three on Wednesday, but you never know ??
TWM , Where ya been ya tube, hope the weans are well.
Dunc , Well done bigfella , soon be able to start a tribute band at this rate.
Beers , Fingers , are you get ready for the Big Night Oot , have to get some major points in with the missus so will be storing them up for about four weeks ...must be good... must be good... must be good. Went a wee bit Garrity at the weekend due to Fitba and glorious Scottish Weather , but taking her oot for a wee swallie and a cuddle at the weekend. Build up my supply bank for the 3rd??
Driving on the motorway with Steely blasting out , winning at Fitba, Picked a
few winners on the nags , life doesn"t get any better........
Have a good
week everyone , great to read your posts.
Dano.
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Had our first 70 degree day of the year on Saturday. And I couldn't think of a better day for this to happen as it was the day I took delivery of my new boat!
Jeez MU! You think I've time to read that? I'm too busy reading Michael Moore's new one...:)
StAl
User: lp | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: omg jjeff, cancel that post - it's snowing here! 3 inches!
i feel like i'm back in syracuse!
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: re: the jokes about France. While I was booking a hotel in Paris I came across a note from the patron directed to his US-visitors (probably regulars as most of his customers are). I know him and he speaks directly from his heart (a big one!):
"An Open Letter to Our American Friends
Dear American Friends,
These last few months, politicians and the mass
media on both sides of the Atlantic have been bashing us with two versions of
the same story: Frenchies are arrogant traitors poking America in the eye!
Americans are a bunch of war-happy loonies looking for world domination!
Baloney.
Folks, let's put the show on hold, and think together for a
minute: who is holding the microphone for dear life, and pounding the message
with a tremendous whack?
Not you, not us. Not the little people. But
journalists and politicians.
Politicians will always put their own interests
before yours - remember 'Follow the money trail' - and journalists love the
sound of their own voices, and a good controversy - whether rooted in fact, or
totally fabricated.
The truth is we, French people, like American folks.
Beyond our pride of being French, we greatly admire the American people. We
always have.
We know that we owe your parents and grandparents a great deal
of gratitude. They paid the price of war with their lives on our beaches, and on
our land. We are deep in their debt, and our streets will long carry the names
of American generals.
But our admiration goes way beyond, extending to your
entire culture.
We love your music - blues, jazz, musicals, rock, hip-hop,
what-have-you. New Orleans' legend Sidney Bechet was our hero when he was still
little known in America. Louis Armstrong is arguably the best-known black
musician in France. Jessye Norman, one of your greatest opera singers, sells out
concert halls when she graces us with her presence. And Elvis still reigns as
king in the heart of all those who listened to him in the fifties and
sixties.
We love your cars and motorcycles. Ask about Cadillac and
Harley-Davidson around here, and you will get an instant smile.
We admire
your movies, as witness box office successes such as Saving Private Ryan, Back
to The Future, Casablanca, and Unforgiven in France. And in our minds, John
Wayne and Gary Cooper are still true heroes.
Our teenagers adopt your casual
wear, just as their parents fell for Levi's jeans.
We also smoke more
Marlboro, Philip Morris, and Camel cigarettes than you do,
guys!
Cheeseburgers and Coke did not originate in France. Yet, judging by
sales of sodas and fast food here, we are addicted to them. So much for the
journalistic myth of snooty Frenchies only eating French cuisine.
And English
is still the first of our second languages.
The truth of the matter is, we
simply adopt a lot of America's goods and customs.
And another truth is we
like to receive you folks amongst us.
Over the years, we took notice of your
commendable efforts to speak French. Yes, some of us won't tell you, but we
generally appreciate your efforts to address us in our language. We also try to
better our English skills (please don't laugh at our accent).
We appreciate
your polite, non-intrusive behavior when you come to visit. We cannot say that
all of us Frenchies behave as well when we visit you. We gotta try
harder.
All of us who have travelled abroad know that the cultural
differences which exist between Americans and Frenchies can be resolved with a
smile and a good word. There cannot be any lasting misunderstanding between two
peoples of goodwill.
You are very welcome in our country. We have many good
things to offer, we hope some of them appeal to your hearts and
interests.
You are welcome in France. Don't listen to tall tales to the
contrary. We the people are not our 'governing elites'. You folks are not your
government or the press.
Let's remain friends."
Kind of cute I think (besides he want's to stay in business). I like the paragraph about smoking best!
L
User: Abu Dhabi | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Abu Dhabi
coming your way
every damn day
live
from nowhere
satellite relay
hello braodway...
With graphics a bright irish green
full color as Cruises are striking
Here's somewhat of an errant on the crowd (oops...)
Don't chew on that
power cable son
I guess I owe you one
Cameramen began the Abu Dhabi
the Tomahawk was over
Our featured
friends were gone
I hear there's a bang in other rooms
So long for now
we must be movin' on
mooooovin' on
Abu Dhabi...
Sweet Holy Jeezus what a night
Say holy shit is right
Burying our chief engineer
we mixin' the MOABs for all the folks at home
And posting the latest reels
As half the crew is blowing in the wind...
Aaaabu Dhabi...
User: Auntie Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: nah SteelyDoubt, you're not a nerd! You just have good taste in music. Besides, you are far to good-looking to be a nerd. If I was your age I'd be on you like white on rice. mmmmmmwwwwwwaaaaahhhhh
User: Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Wild Bill, I heard Hiatt has a new Cd due out in May. Have you heard anything? I've been listening to Sonny Landreth's new stuff. He's played with John Hiatt, have you ever gave his solo work a listen?
One of my favorites:
I'LL NEVER GET OVER YOU
I
would have thought time could erase
I'll never get over you
The
feelings lost in your embrace
I'll never get over you
But still I try
And still I cry
I'll never get
over you
I'll never get over you
I tell myself my heart
will find
A way to get over you
When I've already lost my mind
Tryin' to get over you
The voice goes on
The
feeling's long
I'll never get over you
I'll never get over you
a
I'll never get over you
I'll never get over you
a
I recognize
Those crazy eyes
And still they're
tellin' me lies
I'll never get over you
I'll never get
over you
I'll never get over you
User: c:\cd steelydoubt | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: c:\steelydoubt dir
i also have coldplay in my cd (md) player.
cls
(ok im a nerd)
User: Usama e en glad en. | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: "So far, everything is going according to plan."
Yeah, sure.
User: king of the world | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: I have hit "post message" w/o knowing what i intend to say. How many of u du the same, i wonder?
Turns out Geo. W. et al made the exact same stupid country club Republican mistake that his ilk did last time. My father's that kind of guy. Never admits to mistakes, in the mistaken impression that if he doesn't, he won't be letting reality "push him around."
They ASSUMED that resistance would just crumble, because after all, S Hussein is a bad guy. Who supports a bad guy? They made that mistake in '91. Now that it didn't go as planned, their plans are in disarray. Block-by-block fighting through the streets of Baghdad will alienate all the Middle East, right? But "we" are stuck.
On the bright side, much more data re Gulf War syndrome will be pouring
(trickling) in owing to well fires and chemical attacks, or exposures from
seizures of weapons strongholds, so eventually someone may have the info. needed
to figure something out re this nightmare medical thing of mine, which is very
much related. I love a happy ending.
User: jjeff- Spring!!! Don'cha just love it? | Month: 2 | Day: 31
Message: Ole:That cold stuff is headed our way this week, despite the 40mm of rain last night.
LP: I've never thought of moss as an indicator. That's interesting. I guess anything green is a go.
Mu: I read it, but like everything war related it must be taken with
salt.
I was listening to an interview yesterday about the lies of the gulf
war and they mentioned the " baby incubator myth" that daddy Bush started. I
don't recall this. Refresh me if you can.
MC:Closer to retirement? Do you see the light? I said, DO YOU SEE THE LIGHT??? ( Yes, Jesus H. Christ, I see the light)- Blues Brothers. Speaking of which, James Brown's going on tour this spring. Can I get an AYYYYYYMEN?
User: C:\las\@\work | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: DOS? Yes, dos were the days.
User: Luckless Pedestrian at home | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: hey in here:
jjeff - the moss is up in the woods, a smoky but bold green that's about to clear to a psychedelic kelly shade - so i think i won! lol
coldplay on the cd player today...
User: steelydoubt | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: DOS is sooooo easy to use but REALLY outdated.
i should really get into linux.
User: oleander | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: Yeah, well, Mu is a very fast typist with a very fast brain and a lot to say.
Hey Big Daddy, welcome from North Carolina.
Mr LaPage--pleasure to visit with you yesterday. Doing that mix was a blast and got me very much in the tour/ EMG mood.
jjeff--the peepers are out here, despite today's 4 inches of snow.
I am SO in need of a Florida room interlude. Q, comin' your way next
month.
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: Mu,
The length of that last post was just too intimidating to even
attempt
trying to read it. It reminds me of those early books on DOS that
were
like 6 inches thick. Remember those? I just can't muster the
determination
to get into a post that long. Heck it takes an effort just to
scroll past
it.
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: jjeff: just busier and busier - pawning my crown to redo the house - tile, carpet, roof...more money grobbing...one family member has been called up, but is in the states coordinating come homeland stuff so far...
A call of HELPfor Anybody who is interested in Research regarding cancer, AIDS, heart disease, diabetes, muscular dystrophy, etc... When the budget gets tight, R&D is the first to go, since we have a lousy lobby. Ironically, this is the area that most likely to pay back into the economy with dividends. While I am encouraged that the administration is calling fro billions of dollars in R&D for fuel cells which will reduce oil consumption and CO2 emissioin, funding for the National Institutes of Health is in jeopardy. Here's some contact info - there's a bipartisan effort to restore funding - hope you all can get involved:
"Dear FASEB Society Member:
NIH funding is in jeopardy and the number of new grants could be cut by
a
third!
Please contact your Representative and Senators immediately and urge them
to
complete the final year of the doubling of the NIH budget. You can
fax
letters directly to your congressional representatives by going to this
URL:
The new Congress is trying to complete action on FY 2003 appropriations
that
are currently being funded at FY 2002 levels. In attempting to complete
the
FY03 appropriations process, Congress may pass smaller spending levels
that
put the NIH doubling at risk. It is also possible that Congress may fail
to
act, and NIH will be funded for the entire year at last year's levels.
If NIH is funded at the current FY2002 level for the rest of this year:
* new grants will be cut from a projected 9800 to
approximately 6600
awards, and
When accessing the URL above, take a moment to personalize your letter
and
explain what these potential cuts will mean to your research and
future
therapies and cures for America's patients.
Faxed letters generated by the URL above are the most effective
and
persuasive form of communication. If you do not have time to send a
fax,
please call your representatives. Operators at the U.S. Capitol
Switchboard
(202-224-3121) can connect you directly to the offices of your
Senators and
Representative."
I don't know what there is to say about the war. Clearly information that
poured in regarding Feyadeen and Republican Guard along withn Al Qaeda shooting
Iraqi citizens protesting or fleeing, dressing up in American uniforms and
slaughtering Shiites in the South, terrorist tactics, setting fire to oil wells,
recruitment of children for battle, holding children and women hostage, blatant
use of human shields, chemical warfare factories, gas masks, atropine, execution
and torture of British and America POWs, in contrast with our humanitarian
efforts point to this effort as a necessary evil I'm afraid.
I'm still concerned with Rumsfeld's plan a bit - we have only one infantry division (4rd) while the 4th is just getting into Kuwait after stalled off the shores of Turkey. The 1st is now leaving Fort Hood here in Texas. We have just 70% of the forces we had in Gulf War I and certainly the Airborne 101st shouldn't be guarding the flank. Saddam has proven us right in that they are a terroris - industrial complex and the biggest exporter of terrorism - but have we prepared with that in mind? I hope so and that our troops are protected and there is a resolution soon!!...having said that armchair quarterbacking is too easy - in relative terms things have been remarkably successful. As a marker the only victory we won in our first 6-9 months in WWII was at Midway...
RummyÆs a dummy?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48265-2003Mar29.html
ItÆs the Al Qaeda, stupid:
http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/international.cfm?id=367832003
More Iraqi atrocities:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,924829,00.html
http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/72076.htm
Media thinks this is a basketball or football game:
http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson032803.asp
Sometimes I think Leno and The Daily Show with Jon Stewart are far more objective than CNN and most of the American media
Still some very good news:
Humanitarian aid runs both ways!!!!!!!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030329/ts_afp/iraq_war_civilians_030329211652
Also:
Haliburton out of action during rebuilding!!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48621-2003Mar29.html
Finally, I thought I might share an actual e-mail from the front. This is
real (no StAl, there is no URL) - not something going around the internet -
until now I guess!...can't reveal name or source (which is unimpeachable)... An
interesting, colorful and very honest view. A few terms explained (the army has
loads of ACRONYMS): HMMT: Big truck/tanker; DIVARTY: Division Artillery; AK-47:
Russian made M-16 rifle equivalent (kind of); "the update": daily morning and
evening update given to the commander by his staff or from a jr commander to a
sr commander; MRE - packaged meal they eat
"Things are going pretty well. We just gotten to a bit of a lull in
the
battle, and had to hook up the Internet to request some repair
parts.
Tell everyone not to listen to the news that says everything is going
to
shit. I have a sneaking suspicion that that impression is not
being
given accidentally. Probably shouldn't say more. Let's just say it's
not
a bad thing if the Iraqis think we're on our ass. We have only had
1
enemy-caused KIA in the Third Infantry Division. At this point in
the
gulf war (supposedly a smashing success) the US had more than 150.
A
sniper got a lucky shot at a poor tank driver during a refuel just
about
5KM away from us. He had just stuck his head out, and he had his
helmet
and his vest on, but the guy got him in the neck from about 800
meters.
Rumor is the other guys in the unit found the guy and beat him to
death,
literally. But that's just a rumor, and Army rumors have a way
of
getting colorful. I have no idea what actually happened.
So far, everything is going according to plan. Really, there
hasn't been
anything all that interesting as far as Iraqi surprises. The
Saddam Fedayeen
are pussies, and we're kicking their collective ass.
These are the dedicated
Ba'ath party members in each of these little
towns that will be killed by
their neighbors as soon as Hussein is
overthrown, so they have nothing to
lose in fighting to the death to
maintain the regime. A lot of the POW's that
we've taken have said that
these Saddam Fedayeen guys have come to the
regular army units that
wanted to capitulate and told them that they would
kill their children
and rape their wives if they surrendered. This should
give you a general
impression about the situation over here. Every night
during the update
there's a phrase something like "we killed approximately
150 dismounts..."
tossed in innocuously with a bunch of maintenance and
supply data that
the Brigade Commanders brief to the Division Commander over
the tactical
satellite radio. We are invading a country that has had 12 years
to
prepare, has prepared defensive positions, and knows the
terrain,
people, and their own capabilities. I know we've killed more than
500 in
the past week or so, only the guys that actively confronted us and
so
far they've gotten 1 guy on a lucky shot. You tell me how you
think
we're doing. From what it sounds like, the press is playing
our
"setbacks" up way too much. It's so funny. Everyone expects all
modern
military combat to be over in three days or so. This isn't Grenada
or
Panama and this isn't Desert Storm. We are invading a country
that
doesn't want us to be here with little to no cooperation from allies
and
neighbors. We have a long way to drive. Just getting there is going
to
take a while. Speaking of which, the real danger over here is
driving.
We've had quite a few people killed in accidents. It was the same
way
during the gulf war. Driving is a lot more dangerous than combat.
There
have been times where I've been driving at night with no lights,
wearing
NODs, in conditions so dusty that I couldn't see the IR tail lights
of
the vehicle three feet in front of me. There are vehicles turned over
on
either side of the road, which has steep drop-offs on either side,
every
few miles the whole way up here. I'm driving a high-back HMMWV,
(humvee)
with a trailer and driving has been a bit hectic. I'm riding with
my
sergeant major and a very good Private First Class. We have the
ultimate
setup. In the back (this HMMWV has a large cargo area in the back)
we
have set up a bed that allows you to lay flat and stretch out, so one
of
us sleeps while another drives, and another rides shotgun
(literally).
PFC Savannah is great, but is scared to drive in the dark, so I
wear the
NODs (night optical devices), take Sergeant Major Prosper's 9mm
Beretta,
load a round into the chamber put it on safe, and lay it on the
dash
next to my steering wheel so I can shoot with my right hand while
I
drive and all I have to do is flip it off of safe with my thumb
and
squeeze off the first round double-action. I give my M16 to
Sergeant
Major and he aims out the right window, locked and loaded, with
the
weapons on safe while we drive. So far, we haven't had to fire a
round
in anger. During our second night of driving, we were stopped with
all
the lights off when we heard an explosion on the right, and saw
tracers
go by. We all emptied out of the truck and got flat on the ground.
We
were looking at the house next to us, and thought the rounds might
have
come from there, and we saw people moving around inside. It was a
little
tense. Sergeant Yi, one of our NCOs, saw someone moving in the
doorway
with his NODs, and I saw it too. We had our weapons trained on the
door,
as there had been a lot of ambushes along this road. They were
crouching
down, and then we saw it was just a mother sweeping some dirt out
of her
door. She brought her kids inside, and turned out the lights. It
was
completely dark and we hadn't seen the kids. Later on, we found out
that
the unit behind us in the convoy had been engaging enemy to our
front
and right and we had seen their tracers go by on the right, and
the
explosion had been them shooting their Mark-19 automatic
grenade
launcher.
Morale is high. We have had a couple of injuries, but none
serious. Our
First Sergeant got his HMMWV run over by a HMMT, a military
equivalent of a
semi, and it was just destroyed. He went to the field
hospital for a couple
of days of observation, and he's back now. We were
all worried about him, but
he's okay. Yesterday, we found out one of the
Privates First Class, a little
guy who looks like Webster, has this
really thick Georgia backwoods accent
and is a real favorite around the
TOC lost his 2-month-old daughter to
illness. He saw her once right
before he deployed. We're sending him back
home on emergency leave, but
that's just about the worst thing that's
happened since we've been here,
as far as the DIVARTY is concerned. His name
is PFC Lyman and you all
can pray for him and his wife.
The next few nights of driving were similar, with mortar
fires and small
skirmishes happening around us, but not so close that we
were ever in real
danger. You can see the tracers and the mortar fire
flying through the air
with your NODs and every now and then you can
hear the Apache attack
helicopters or A-10s fly over, and they give you
a warm fuzzy feeling. Our
convoy stopped just outside of the fight that
was going on the first day
outside of Al Nasiriyah, and we watched the
Apaches and A10s strafe and bomb
the road about 4 miles ahead where the
fight was going on.
So far, we haven't seen any direct action. We're hoping to
keep it that
way, but things could get interesting in the upcoming
weeks. So far we've
fought the reluctant benchwarmers from the Iraqi JV
team, and some very
motivated amateurs, but we're about to take on the
Medina Division, which is
Iraq's professional army. These guys are well
trained and have good
equipment, so it will be a different fight. We
will still massacre them,
don't get me wrong, but it will be a different
kind of battle. It will be
much more textbook-grade conventional warfare
rather than the "Marne 500" as
we are currently referring to it. The
Marne 500 is like the Indy 500, only
longer, with no lights, a whole lot
of dust, and people trying to kill you
with AK-47s and RPGs. (Rocket
Propelled Grenades) (think Blackhawk Down).
I have respect for the Iraqis. There is, I think, an
increasing
realization that a bunch of guys a lot like us are sitting in
headquarters a
lot like ours trying to figure out how to beat us with a
lot fewer guys and a
lot older equipment. They feel like they are
protecting their country from an
invader (and they are) and are doing
their best to mount a decent defense in
depth. They're doing what they
can with limited resources and desperate
tactics. They're actually
making a go of it, and trying to go down with a
fight rather than
rolling over, and as a professional soldier, you at least
have to
respect that. From what we've seen of the Medina, they're
professionals,
and don't act like the untrained kids with guns that we've
seen so far.
They're not rushing into things and are trying to set themselves
up as
well as they can. As those of us who have played WarCraft have
seen,
you're always better off in the defense when you have the option.
It's
too bad we're going to have to send them through the Air Force
blender
on Puree'. War is never pleasant, and rarely makes sense as we now
see.
At any rate, things are going well. The Third Infantry
Division Artillery
is delivering accurate, responsive fires, exactly
like the Iraqis can't, and
is a big part of why we're winning. For the
uninitiated, artillery basically
means shooting a big (100 pound) round
about 20-30 Kilometers to a ten digit
map grid point with about 1 meter
accuracy. This means that our guys who are
out front can see the enemy,
not be anywhere near close enough to engage
them, but just give us a
call on the radio and we can blow them to hell
without them ever knowing
what happened or, in some cases, our friendly
forces even giving away
their position. We can do this in any kind of weather
(unlike the Air
Force) and about 180 seconds after the original radio call
comes in. The
Iraqis actually have better guns and more guns than we do. You
know
that Crusader thing that Congress cut? Yeah. Most people don't know
that
while the USA has the world's best military, we probably have
the
world's third or fourth best artillery, behind the Brits and
South
Africa. The Crusader system that congress cut would have put us back
on
top again, but no, Don Rumsfeld thinks the Artillery is the past.
Well,
it's saved a lot of American lives out here in this war. The Iraqis
have
the South African G5, one of the best artillery pieces currently
in
production in the world. They don't have that many, but the thing
that
really kills them is the fact that they can't adjust fires on a
target
like we can. They don't have the training and the communication to
pull
it off. Instead, they kind of shoot in our general direction or
at
preplanned targets on roads or other key terrain, and so far,
despite
all the thousands of rounds of indirect fire (as artillery is
referred
to in military jargon) the only damage they've managed to accomplish
in
3ID is some shrapnel in the ass of some unlucky soldier a couple
of
Battalions Over. Thanks for playing, but no teddy bear. Sorry.
What's
even worse is that we have these radars that tell us exactly where
they
are when they shoot. We get the general impression that these
poorly
trained regular army guys in the south didn't know about this. As
soon
as they shoot, we shoot back with MLRS, which is a multiple -
bomblet
rocket that destroys everything in about one square
kilometer.
Everything. I think the word has gotten out because they don't
shoot
artillery much any more.
Well, we're all fine here. Just dirty. Very dirty. I haven't
taken a
shower since the war started. Food consists of MREs and bottled
water, which
is a little bland, but MREs have gotten a lot better in the
past few years,
and like I've always said, the taste quality of the MRE
is directly
proportional to how hungry and tired you are. We're moving
too fast for mail,
but once things slow down I'll get everything so keep
sending stuff. I'll
probably get a huge stack when we finally stop.
Don't worry about me. Things are fine, and no one is
particularly worried
or panicked or anything like that. Mostly we just
miss our families and the
comforts of home. This just kind of feels like
a very long, very crappy day
at work. A day at work that never, ever
ends. Ever. Other than that, it's
great. The best and the worst of the
experience over here is the people.
There are a few (very few) folks
here with whom I will probably be friends
for life, and others that as I
said to CPT Carletta, the JAG officer "If they
were on fire, I wouldn't
piss on them to put them out." Yee-ha. Love the
Army.
Well, I'm signing off for now. Everybody keep the email
coming. Looks like
Internet will come up intermittently from time to
time, so I should get it,
and probably sooner than snail mail. Everyone
keep in touch."
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message:
In response to post #2380: "Mellowing"? Actually
I've always been pretty mellow, or at least perpetually unfazed (depending on
how one looks at it), with a decided lack of ingratiation. Aside from that, I'm
just as intolerant of presumptuousness and self-righteousness as ever, but even
that is hardly something I get uptight about-
"Broadway duchess / darling if you only knew / half as much as / everybody
thinks you do..."
- Steely Dan, 'I Got The News'
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: jjeff-brainfart | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: angel: I remember asking you last year about spray, nevermind. it's a necessity against black-knot fungus, here.
Mu: I thought maybe you imploded over the war, i hadn't seen anything from
you. Both feet still on the ground? Good.
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: Big Daddy: Welcome aboard. The only color on this Board is just this pale puke yellow. Given the real respect that Donald and Walter have honored for African-American jazz and R&B musicians, there may be more African American Danfans than folks think...
Gaia is such a great song - the Hourglass album grows on me with each play even years after the release. While at first, it did not seem as organic as New Moon Shine (with Copperline), Hourglass's songs are more consistent and the production more intricate. The thing that defines New Moon Shine, Hourglass, and October Road is the professionalism, thoughtfulness, and creativity. The notion of Gaia or earth as a complete living, breathing, complex organism has been a nice way of merging science, art, and human purpose. JT achieves this in a most elegant fashion. Crystal clarity and a beautiful open soundscape on this song and throughout the album. At this point in his career, JT could just mail them in - but that's not been the case and Hourglass is deserving of the surprise Grammy it won...and I don't even like "folk" music...it's just all-American stuff...
Bluz: In the auto...
Pedro's Tune - Joe Henderson
Flamenco Sketches (alternate take) - Miles Davis
Judy's Comet - Paul Simon
Florida Room - Kamakiriad
Yah Mo Be There - James Ingram and Michael McDonald
You are Everything - Stylistics
Boxing - Ben Folds Five
User: Did I get it right? | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: As if you were your own creation
As if you were the chosen nation
And the world around you just a rude and
Dangerous invasion
GAIA
Someone's got to stop US now
Save us from US,
GAIA
User: Dynamit Harry | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: Vilken jSvla smSll!
---
Gina - that's a good one, that Taylor song.
Canonman UK - wow! 4.7 bucks, that's my bid.
/C
User: jjeff | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: Angel: There's still a bit of snow about, but it should
go today(thundershowers!!! A good weekend to work, as i am). This will be the
first year of spraying the trees. What do you use? 20 years ago when I had fruit
trees at the old homestead it was malathion. I'm sure that's changed.
Do you
have spring peepers down south? They're little( 1cm )frogs that sing their heart
out as soon as they're thawed out. It can be deafening at times. Definitely
music.
Steevedan:Monte's squirrel is back. It ate the bag out of the vacuum cleaner. The hazards of having a rock wall foundation.
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 30
Message: angel - well, as they say, "the proof is in the puddin'", but I think it's great they are creatively flexible enough to flow with the go. Left me kinda wondering what work they did in that studio back "in the '60's," as DF said. Maybe 'You Got to Walk It...' or some Jay and the Americans stuff. But the article and talk of working with the same band for all the basics without a lot of overdubs has visions of something 'Countdown...'-esque dancing in my head...
But I know enough to toss out any expectations before I hit the *play* button...
I just feel so damn lucky that they're putting out another one. That first trip through a new Steey Dan album is always full of mystery and surprise, never quite being able to predict how a phrase or chord progression will resolve. And jeez... I'm still discovering/deciphering things on TvsN. I can't wait...
tacos
t
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: jjeff: All my fruit trees have flowers and some have the beginnings of fruit. Spring is here. You thawing out yet?
Santa Ana's have been blowing all week. I think they are finally quieting down now.
Tones: So now that you have read the article, what do you think of the "stumble into analog" thing?
100 copies? Yeah, Pink guy, e-me and I will take one off your hands.
User: G. | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: oh lordy :-) aloha T! thank you, St. Al provided the
inspiration and food for thought. like James Talor sang, stop living in your
body and live in the mind. all for it!
can't get myself outa here, loads of
music by headphones, Rickie Lee's Live At Red Rocks REALLY rocks and Deacon
Blues, mmmm, sax solo now ... Now & Then, i don't know what it is today, all
i want is music. sigh.
i wish i could be there in Tacoma.
User: tones | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: Big Daddy - You're right, you're not the only Black fan... we are everywhere. S'up dude? Welcome.
G's right... you really gotta check out some Hank Williams Sr. Not Jr... Jr. might confirm everything you dislike about country... But Hank Sr. tells a story right up there with the best of 'em...
Or maybe someone else in your large musical family might cover that one day...
G - btw, loved your reposted post... felt it deeply.
peace
t
User: G. | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: hm ... no country music??????
you gotta start living
dangerous one day, Big Daddy :-)
Another Zappa-ish thing, see URL above, the German Zappanale website.
Lots
of nice pictures .. Mike Keneally, Ike Willis etc etc.
User: BIG DADDY | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: Been a fan since I first heard Ricky when it was hot. Jacked a Target store in St. Louis for Greatest Hits when I was short on funds in '80. Still am suprised by how many people I meet that don't know SD. Fuckin' morons; they all know the songs when you hum a few bars. Dream is to do a cover of Boston Rag. I KNOW I'm not the only Black fan but we're few and far between. Oh, well; I've got thirty-some-odd musicians in my family through the years and we've touched on every genre but country I think. Holla!
User: W1P | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: Black's Beach? Don't forget your boob glitter! Several hundred copies of A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd are sitting on my desk as I type this. Please e-mail me if you wish to acquire a copy (or even if you don't). Which One's Pink? tonight @ Platinum Live and its 90 degrees out today.
User: Gina!!!!!!!! | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: Don't let me be lonely tonite
JT
right on...
bluz
User: Gina | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: Much obliged, St. Al :-)
Happens so, when i logged in to check the GB i was listening to James Taylor's Hourglass ... the song Gaia just started, sending shivers as i read you reposted my post ... therefore the lyrics:
Gaia
The sky was light and the land all dark
The sun rose up over Central
Park
I was walking home from work
GAIA
The petal sky and the rosy
dawn
The world turning on the burning sun
Sacred wet green one we live
on
GAIA
Run run run run said the automibile and we ran
Run for your
life take to your heels
Foolish school of fish on wheels
GAIA
Turn away
from your animal kind
Try to leave your body just to live in your
mind
Leave your cold cruel mother earth behind
GAIA
As if you were your
own creation
As if you were the chosen nation
And the world around you
just a rude and
Dangerous invasion
GAIA
Someone's got to stop us
now
Save us from us, GAIA
No one's gonna stop us now
We thought we ought to walk awhile
So we left that town in a single
file
Up and up and up a mile after mile after mile
We reached the tree line and I dropped my pack
Sat down on my haunches and
I looked back down
Over the mountain
Helpless and speechless and
breathless
GAIA
Pray for the forest pray to the tree
Pray for the fish
in de deep blue sea
Pray for yourself and for God's sake
Say one for
me
Poor wretched unbeliever
Someone's got to stop us now
Save us from us, GAIA
No one's gonna stop
us now
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: Gina: Something wrong with your last post causing the Guestbook to get stuck about halfway through... Not sure what it was but I'm reposting it in its entirety below:
Gina's Post----------------------
Following the lead, Aja :-) You swirl, grrrl!
Dime-hopping and the vibes
interluded a Banyan Tree Bow in Blue, but why not hop back in Yellow and have a
blend, a Green Booky Woogie, eh?
Good morning, 8.14 eurotime.
The Tacoma drummer Guinness attempt stuck in
my mind for quite some time, st. Al. Then tried to imagine the middle east
deserts and the sounds of warfare, silence and destruction. Tried to imagine
panic and young patriots on either side of this spectacle. Tried to imagine
concerned relatives glued to the television, or what makes the enlisted tick, to
be willing to give their lives and for whom ...
Tried to grasp the paradox
and harsh conflicting morals in understanding the concept of freedom, the
individual fighting for his country, or because he felt he had no choice but to
join the army, it helps pay the bills and provide a secure future rather than
see no other option because his social-economical background didn't grant him
education and a chance to discover whether he has an american dream of his own
...
To battle for a corner of a cave, or to club down a rival for a woman, to participate in competitive notions for a glittering prize, to battle over who's next in line for the cashregister or to kill a mockingbird just because ...
This is World War III.
Fitting the ways of life anno 2003.
Fitting the
contradicting ways of human nature and hidden agendas.
The lights are dimmed
and the fireworks demand the ending of many beating hearts.
So when the 200
drummers beat their beats, may they call upon this Mother Earth and have her
speak up in some way.
Time to give April's Fool Day a new meaning as well,
btw.
Off to embrace life and turn to the vibes of music,
too many pearls out
there turning against the world!
User: jjeff | Month: 2 | Day: 29
Message: The Zappa interview was a nice read. Thanks to
whoever.
Randy, as a rare interloper I see a mellowing in your posts over
time that you may not have noticed. That's great.
Angel, that was me. I think
of you too.
Congrats to Duncan and Linda. We need more babies born to people
who can support them. And little Dan needs someone his own age. I confess, i
thought " up the duff" meant sick.
LP: Wanna have a spring peeper contest?
Toodles.
User: two fish tacos on the coast...on shore wind ...Santa Anna and you | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Slide Hampton.."spirit of the horn"
Freddie hubbard.."open sesame"
Chris Connor.."senor blues"
Horace Silver Quintet..six pieces of silver"
Judie Tzuke..OSK.."breathless"
Jimmy Reed..the sun is shining"
Little Walter.."my babe"
Lou Rawls with Less Mc cann.."see see rider"
Stefon Harris..'the velvet couch"
Bobby Hutcherson.."spring is here"
Gary Bartz.."shadows"
James Harman Band.."the clown"
Kenny Garrett..standards of language.."kurita sensei"
Joe Beck.. just friends.."blues for joe farrell"
Less Mc Cann & Eddie Harris..lp swiss movement.."cold duck time"
Hugh Msaekela..time.."change"
Eric Alexander.."burnerswaltz"
Roomfull of Blues.."the come back"
Jimmy Witherspoon.."wake up call"
I was sitting here thinking,baby,just a minute ago.
What in the world made
me love you so?
Walter Davis
"What Made Me Love You So"
User: Canonman UK | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: I am selling a Steely Dan Tour Brochure on Ebay at the
moment. It is SIGNED by RICKY LAWSON.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2519484884
The
auction lasts until 7th April
User: Fine literature, Dan connection | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: SteelyDan People: I've received some distressing news
from a friend who has had to cancel her book tour
unexpectedly for very
personal reasons. This is her third novel, If Wishes Were Horses, published by
St.Martin's Press. Her friends are banding together to attempt to accomplish
through word of mouth what is
usually the result of the book tour... that
is, get people to read the book! [after they pay for it. This is not
Abbie
Hoffman shtick].
Her first novel, Burning Down the House, was published when her name was Merry McInerney.
Right. That McInerney, whose husband wrote Bright Lights Big City.
The following statement is a most carefully worded one: the book, Burning
Down the House, is fictitious.
The protagonist of this book, which is
fictitious, essentially inspires, cowrites and edits someone else's great
hip novel while the someone else lives the fast lane sort of lifestyle not
unlike that of certain characters in
BLBC [which is also fiction]. The
someone else turns around and takes full credit... only to dump the
protagonist later. Interesting story.
sorry. where was I?
Her name is now Merry Whiteford! She is now very happily married to my former bandmate and friend.
Please check out If Wishes Were Horses. If your local bookstore does not
stock it, please ask them to order
it and while they're at it, a few copies
for the shelf wouldn't hurt. If you enjoy the book, why not pop over
to
Amazon.com or BarnesandNoble.com and give it a favorable review! This is more
important than you
might estimate. Editors and publishers follow these; it
helps them determine whether to up a print run or start
running
advertisements. Of course, if you enjoy the book, tell your friends!
www.merrywhiteford.com
thank you all for considering her situation
warmly
f#
User: Aja...........................must be the spectre of war | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: or the fracture, but that's not really an excuse, is it?
Dime-swirl on the beach!
Aja
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message:
For those who are into the "Belfast Cowboy," Van
Morrison will allegedly be playing at the Theater at Madison Square Garden on
Friday, June 13th, 2003 (8:00 p.m.); tickets (allegedly) go on sale on Monday,
March 31st at 9:00 a.m.; opening for Van will be soul legend Solomon Burke-
"You gotta make it / through the world / if you can..."
- Van Morrison,
'You Gotta Make It Through The World'
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: db | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: ahmed sikander
Have you seen ''Peachy'' he went south you know !!
(very tenuous SD link ...Sorry)
User: ahmed sikander | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: hi
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User: db | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: I'm grilling a 2lb steak & I have a glass of wine in
my hand.
who needs a newsletter. (tonight)
thanks for the thanks everyone.
Ohh & Piano Jazz is playing too
:)
User: Stinton Worhl | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Hey Aja meet me at Black's Beach
User: What?!! | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Gina and Aja in consecutive posts and *nary* a swirl to be seen?
Maaaaaaaan...
User: Aja..............friday, friday, FRIDAY! | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Canes, huh? I dunno, the crowd is a little scary (and way underage for me!) Speaking of underage (with a little N'awlins flavor), I saw The Radiators last night-now I know where all the Deadheads went. What a blast, but it was a little like watching my parent's play in a band-LOL! Dancing in a crowd of stoned North County-er's (where the Sixties never ended) with a fractured iliac crest was an adventure, but I came out unscathed.
Today is radiantly beautiful in San Diego-the Santa Anas have returned, it's supposed to be near 80 at the beach........what the hell am I doing here at work?!!!!!
Aja
User: Gina | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: hey Hoops, got nothing to do with your post, just a coincidence occurring, aah, these vibes these vibes :-)
User: Gina | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Hm. The way i read it, St. Al, those 200 drummers might just be(at) the flow of current affairs. Can picture the rain but alas not the coffee. And as far as i'm concerned, let them drum for hours and hours until some of the powers that be (and i'm not talking about the alleged worldleaders)awake from their beauty sleeps and well ... what's on most of our minds when it comes to a certain war, right?
Whenever i read the BB and see this yellow guestbook being put under fire or
whatever, i can't help but feel a strange grin lift my lips. what's it about
this GB vibe that makes me feel at home?
Easy. The same vibes i get when
listening to Steely Dan and having their lyrics as wonderful food for mind and
thought.
Fat chance the war will end soon, Mars and Aries reigning now ...
User: hoops | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Reminder:
TWO BIG DANFESTS!
SueDave is hosting a Seattle Danfest centering around a show by Larry
Carlton. Go SueDave!
http://home.attbi.com/%7Esuedave/seattledanfest.html
Beerberian is also having a Danfest May 3
http://www.thedancollective.co.uk/gigs.html
BE CERTAIN TO SIGN UP for the SEATTLE & UK Danfest Mailing lists to get updates on these events. Check outà
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---OR---
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àfor a complete listing of local Danfest/Dan Fan lists in your area. Sign up early and often for the lists in your favorite areas. Hundreds of people already signed up, etc., etc.
jim
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Listen up all drummers!
A world record is going to be set this weekend in Tacoma Washington. Apparently Alan White (Yes), Bun E Carlos (Cheap Trick), Michael Shrieve (Santana), Michael Dozier (Heart) and as many as 200 other drummers are converging on the local Tacoma Narrows Airport in an attempt to break the Guinness record for most drummers/drum kits in a single performance. It's to be conducted by Gerard Schwartz (Conductor of the Seattle Symphony) and is sure to be heard as far away as Portland Oregon...
You people wonder what we do with all this rain and coffee?
StAl
User: steelydoubt | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: oh yeah! i feel stupid now because i used to watch that show with my cousin when i was little.
btw. i am doing pretty good and i HOPE to see the dan in june.
User: Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Steely Doubt, The little alien, Alf had a love of cats.
They were a favorite snack of his. I suspect it was a double entendre... The TV
show was way before your time babe. How's my favorite Nephew? Hope all is well
with you. *hugs*
Congrats Duncan and Linda!
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Jono: Go back a page or two and see me getting beat up over my love for Phish. Some people JUST DON'T GET IT...
I mean, what more can you ask of a band than one who's drummer plays the vacuum cleaner, wears a dress and sometimes performs in a lighted cape while singing Suspicious Minds? God I love rock and roll...
Tones: My pancakes are so light and fluffy brown, why, they're the finest in the town!
I told my wife about the Cat Shake idea. She didn't think it was too funny. And I have a Kitchen Aid blender...
User: thirdworldman | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Long time no see
How's everyone?
Not enough controversy around here. Where is Dano?
Can't wait till the next one
Al
User: Beerberian | Month: 2 | Day: 28
Message: Ladies & Gents I believe that Mr DB is trying to convey the joyous tidings of the fact that Mrs DB is heavy with child !!! Congratulations indeed to all involved ......... Yeah Lindy is up the duff !!!
User: Jono | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Aja - good call - I just had the urge to put in 2vN today out of the blue after not listening to ANY Steely music in probably 4-5 months (been all caught up in Phish lately! Any Phish fans in here?) Great shit!! And Bob beat me to the punch - The Steely Damned play an awesome version of Jack of Speed - sweet!! I don't know if I've heard ya play Coz Dupree yet...
So, whats the name of this other tribute band that plays Janie and What a Shame? That sounds cool - where are you guys located?
How about West of Hollywood or Almost Gothic? I think those are awesome songs and somewhat underrated. Almost Gothic is my fav off the album... Anyone else a huge fan? Its just so sexy and smooth... (hint hint! Bob, Peg, are you hearing me? :) When are you guys gonna play the Catamaran again btw? Its been too long... )
Oh and one last ting - I got the Nightfly DVD Audio today and its great - The IGY is mixed SOOOO nice - I'm hearing parts of that song I didn't even know existed.... Not as nice as the Gaucho DTS but definately nice for any surround sound audiophile... I think Steely is the perfect way to showcase 5.1 music - there are so many differnt parts and sounds and each one gets the proper treatment in the 5.1 mixes. Really good stuff. Anyone else pick this up yet?
Okay, take care everyone - nice to be back and say 'Hi'. Lookin' forward to a very Steely 2003 indeed! Woohoo!!! :)
-Jono :)
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Thanks e.
User: OsamaMamaBahama | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/28/1048653833092.html
User: steelydoubt | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Who did what with the cat?
User: e | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: tones, i saw the link to the new steely dan article at the blue book. it's http://www.rockdaily.com/rd_profile/1,1164,WTKW,00.html <
did you see that the blue book is doing a decade of dandom tribute band cd? huh.
i wish bush would stop using the word 'regime' i'm sick of it. maybe if we reminded him 'regime' is a french word he'd stop using it.
i really hate it when the gb won't me sign it, says i don't have fields filled in when i do. have used ie, ns, aol even. i know this place is hard work st al but thought you should know in case i'm not the only one.
User: W1TributeBand? | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: I have a really bad reggae tribute to Floyd. I dont have Dub Side but all "vibrations" from the Pink Floyd world are very "positive mon" (and they were reviewed in Rolling Stone, how that happened, I'll never know). I must acquire Dub Side for my Floyd tribute collection -- but first I must focus on trying to offset some of my substantial losses in producing "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd"
User: t yet again... | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: angel - hey there to you too! Can you help me out here... where's that interview you mentioned? I went to the ODP but I could find nary a word... and I don't use the word "nary" lightly... :-)
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Hey Tribute Band - have you heard about The Dub Side of the Moon? It's a dub reggae version of Dark Side... and is apparently really good. Haven't been able to get it myself yet... Also, Dark Side... was released as a 30th anniversary SACD/CD hybrid this week.
just so's ya know...
User: tones | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: St. Al - Yeah, I kinda figured out a long time ago you were probably a Zappa fan. I mean, if I were ever fortunate enough to take you up on your offer of hospitality, I'd be *mighty* disappointed if you didn't serve pancakes for breakfast...
Gina!! - hello there!! Thanks for the great info...
And Howard - thank you too for the great link! I've got lots of listening to do... I miss Frank terribly -especially these days. If only he would've/could've been elected president...
Randy - yeah, Aja's pretty awesome... but I thought *I* was your favorite poster...
t
User: Tribute Band, Tribute Record | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Steeve, Edgar Winter plays sax on "Us & Them" which appears on the "All Star Lineup Performing the Songs of Pink Floyd" compilation -- an excellent version. I have just been informed that 500 copies of "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd" will be delivered to us tomorrow afternoon!
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Angel - even though I received an e-mailed response to my inquiry to the Steely Dan show at that Calif. Mid-State Fair, I just don't believe that Steely Dan would opt to play a single date, ... at a state fair no less ... in the absence of any announcement of a major tour. It's not like either Walter (Maui) or Donald (NYC or adjacent) are proximate to that north-of-San Luis Obispo locale ... I bet the whole thing gets retracted.
Aja - Pretzel Logic plays Cousin Dupree, Jack Of Speed, Janie Runaway, and What A Shame About Me from 2VN ... I've played all of the other tunes from the record solo ... something I don't do when gigging with the band.
If you are fairly close (or sufficiently motivated to drive) to Temecula ...
COME SEE PRETZEL LOGIC - A STEELY DAN REVUE -- LIVE -- AT --
THE TEMECULA
BALLOON & WINE FESTIVAL
SUNDAY JUNE 8TH, 2003 ...
Pretzel Logic takes the stage at 1:00 PM.
We share the bill with "Escape" - a Journey tribute band and
The Edgar
Winter Group.
This promises to be quite an event. Bring the kids.
SteveeDan
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Nice to have you back, Bill.... Cat Shake, barf. :-)
So, the first interview is up, for the album. They kind of fell into recording it in analog. Interesting.... Really has me getting excited.
I heard on the radio yesterday that the Fleetwood Mac ticket sales were postponed. The tour management didn't feel it was appropriate during a war situation. That might be what is going on with the Paso Robles gig for Steely Dan.
The tour information on Universal and Greek were announced yesterday and
Steely Dan didn't turn up on either roster.
User: Alf | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Dear St. Alfonso,
You are correct sir!
A "cat shake" is indeed a CAT shake! Below you will
find one of my
favorite recipes. Enjoy!
Peach-Raspberry Cat Shake
*************************
1/2 cup frozen raspberries
1 cup frozen peaches
1 cup milk
1 cup
frozen vanilla yogurt
1 frozen banana (peel banana before freezing)
1
medium cat of your choice (diced)
Whirl all ingredients together in blender until smooth.
Serve immediately.
*Note*
I find that the KitchenAid Model KSB5CR works extremely well
when
making cat shakes. My old Hamilton Beach just didn't have the
oomph
to do anything larger than a very small cat.
Also, if you were willing to slip me a few cats under the table we
might
be able to overlook this little copyright infringment thing.
Between me and
the chinese resturants, New York is currently in the
midst of a cat shortage.
Sincerely,
Alf
User: should be: | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Arizona *legislature*
User: Tribrute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Hey Aja, things are looking good for a Which One's Pink? show at Canes on June 14. Dime dancing to Money? Stay tuned
User: Aja@iluvzappa.com | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Thanks, Randy. I'm getting back to my irreverent self and pulling chains where ever I see them ;o)
Aja
User: Frank-ly speaking... | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: excerpted from an interview broacast in 1990 on KPFA Berkeley:
Frank Zappa: (reponding to previous question) "How could the Arizona legislator create the Dildo Law? Remember, not only is the public intellectually impaired becuase they've gone through the American educational system, guess what: the guy sitting next to you at the desk in that bad school you went to - he's in the legislation business now. I mean, you have people in government who are intellectually unprepared to engage in any high-level human activity. These are basically used car salesmen that got a promotion. Or lawyers, which is worse.
So you say, 'How Can you do it?'. Take a look at who's doing it."
interviewer: "It's been a tricky year... what's the next year look like Frank?"
FZ: "Not much better."
intrvwr: "Why do you say that?"
FZ: "Because I don't think that there is any signal on the horizon that shows me that the American public is going to wake up and smell the coffee here. I think it's going to be, 'Oh look, isn't that weird? Look what they're doing in Florida. Oh that Dildo Law, that sure is strange. Oh ok...' You just consume it as entertainment. The news is consumed as entertainment. It doesn't motivate you. "
intrvwr: "When's the point going to come when people start rebelling?"
FZ: "In America? Not."
intrvwr: "Sounds pretty bleak."
FZ: "Well you asked my opinion - that's my opinion. I can't really see any kind of grass-roots rebellion of any discription in this country because it's too sedated."
intrvwr: "Do you think that's media rhetoric always saying that the next decade is going to be like the '60's and we're going to return to '60's values. What's the future for the '90's?"
FZ: "I'm not sure that the '60's values were all that terrific, I mean, they start to look pretty good compared to the '80's and '90's values. But um... I wouldn't say that the '60's were any kind of a golden age because there were a lot of stupid things that occured during the '60's.
I will say that it is my opinion that the condition we're in now is bordering on terminal, as far as the politcal and social health of the country is concerned."
intrvwr: "So we're just going to become a fascist state?"
FZ: "Unless we do something about it. That is what's at the end of the road. Facist state. We're talking about 'Romania II'. We're talking about having our own personal Ceausescu here. His name will be easier to pronounce of course. Probably be a one syllable word, like 'Bush', or 'Quayle', or something like that, but the result is the same: secret police spying on your phone calls! (knocks on table three times) 'How many dildos you got in there!?' That's what you got!"
intrvwr: "Frank, thanks for your insights."
FZ: "You're welcome."
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message:
Aja, you are my favorite poster; at least someone
APPEARS to enjoy posts that should be understood to contain wickedly acerbic
humor; joke 'em if they can't take a fuck, and how are you doin' anyway?
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: db | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Linda's up the duff.
User: TvNisdaBomb | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: It's not just for croissants anymore:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=524&u=/ap/20030327/ap_wo_en_po/eu_gen_france_racism_surge_2&printer=1
User: Aja.........................still not working | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Yeah, that's the problem with that band, they don't stick to the basics. I'm looking for a band that will play "Reelin' In The Years", over and over for 3+ hours. Maybe throw in "My Old School" a couple of times to get adventurous.
Aja
User: StALFonzo | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: DAMN! You caught me!
Bill, the sad thing is you know what a "cat shake" is?
What is it? Is it what I think it is? If so, what a fabulous idea for our cat...
User: Tribute Band, Tribute Band, Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Aja Bob's too stuck in paying tribute to "classic" Dan, ya know, like All Too Mobile Home, Second Arrangement, etc. to come up to speed on TvN -- oh wait, he does play TvN, Jack of Speed, and Cousin Dupree -- nevermind
User: Aja............. with the firm of Insults, Criticisms, and Expletives, LLP | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Been listening to this AWESOME CD lately. I was going through my CD collection looking for something to complement this gorgeous spring weather when I stumbled upon this one. I don't know why I don't listen to it more, it's incredible music, and even though I've heard it many times before, there were still things that seemed new (or at least never got old). What is it? Two Against Nature! If you haven't heard it in a while, give it a whirl-this is hands down their most underrated CD.
Any dipsh!+ who doesn't agree with me can go f#&$ themselves.
Now if I could just find a tribute band who plays this stuff........
Aja
User: Alf | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Dear St. Alfonso,
I hereby serve you with this cease and desist order sir.
You have
infringed on my copywright long enough! I spent many years
on television
honing and developing my acting skills only to have some
upstart webmaster
from Seattle steal my name.
If you wish to continue using my Alf trademark you will be required to
pay the appropriate royalties as well as handing over the approval
rights to all your future matierial.
Sincerely,
Alf
7th Avenue
New York, NY 10015
(...and yes, I still do enjoy an
occasionaly cat shake)
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: >Hmm.. that sounds like a Phrase which contains an
insult, a criticism,
>and an expletive doesn't it?
Which is taken out of context. Another popular thing to do when trying to make a weak point.
Regarding James McMurty, I haven't heard his latest work. The radio station in town here seems to have forgotten he exists, which is a damn shame because he's another I'd lump into the "Great American Artists" category. And yes, I do have the album you mention. I especially love his raspy vocal delivery. Saw him live a few years back and it still ranks as one of my favorites small venue experiences.
StAl
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message:
(In reference to post #2332) Hooray, you got it;
perhaps the lost art of ironic sarcasm identification isn't dead-
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: hmm... | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: "Cheers also to you for being able to disagree...without
the use of
insults, personal attacks, criticisms, and expletives..."
Okay, this part is fine Randy BUT...
"which some other little fuckers around here seem unable to do."
Hmm.. that sounds like a Phrase which contains an insult, a criticism,
and
an expletive doesn't it?
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message:
St. Al - Great point(s) in post #2328; normally I
have no expectations with bands/artists playing cover material, i.e. I don't
expect them to match or copy any particular element of the original song.
Sometimes when they keep things the same, it's still interesting (but generally
not as good), and sometimes changing the arrangement and instrumentation
completely is engaging (and sometimes disasterous). One good example would be
Tori Amos' album 'Strange Little Girls,' on which she did a version of The
Beatles' "Happiness Is A Warm Gun"; it was VERY different, and though I didn't
particularly care for it, I admired her choice and willingness towards
experimentation to achieve something else with the composition.
While the last sentence of my post did state "But then, who in the realm of music could top or even hope to compete with the immaculately played and produced original to start with?", I generally don't put ANY music in a competitive light wherein a band or artist has to "compete" with the original (as you noted), or simply manufacture a "recreation" for that matter (though Phil Collins' recreations of "Tomorrow Never Knows" and "You Can't Hurry Love" were good).
By the same token, there was nothing to intend what is frequently misconstrued as "hero worship" or idolization ( I don't worship anybody) with the above-referenced sentence; it was merely the indication that Steely Dan tend to deliver the best possible arrangement, instrumentation, and recording approach in regards to the rendering of the song(s), which is what they spend so much time meticulously doing; now if only more bands/artists would take more time and consideration with their work...
Cheers also to you for being able to disagree (with engaging discourse no less) without the use of insults, personal attacks, criticisms, and expletives (which some other little fuckers around here seem unable to do).
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
P.S. You never did chime in 'bout James McMurtry a couple weeks back; do you have 'Where'd You Hide The Body'?
User: C | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Molly dear, is "addy" slang for Grandmother?
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message:
OMG - Now Molly has got Clas using words like
"sugarpie"....yyyyuck
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message:
Randy. Boy do I disagree with your analysis of Wilco
as it is my belief that Wilco is one of the last great uniquely American bands.
However, attempting to sway your opinion on this is probably futile, so I wont
even try.
Applying the Wilco formula to a Steely Dan song is rather dubious if your intention upon listening to a cover is to hear a thoughtful recreation of the original song, or, at the very least, a major nod toward the original artists intent as far as song structure and mood goes.
But when I listen to a cover I like to hear just the opposite. I like to hear another artist take the original work and mold it into something uniquely their own. Especially when the artist covering the song is an established artist with a strong body of original work (like Wilco). That's exactly what Wilco did to Any Major Dude. You may not like what they did and that's cool. But I wonder if people (not necessarily you) sometimes expect an artist covering a song to not deviate from the original artists intent -- and any attempt to do so is blasphemous?
Just a thought.
Tribute Band: You forgot the playing card in the spokes...
StAl
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Molly! The Deveraux/Lewis family reunion?! I am jumping 4 joy sugarpie!
Say *when*.
And my Grandfather, you'll see him if you follow the URL above, 1883 it was, a great year! Look at his Spandax Jacket, cool uh?
User: Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Whoo Hey! I'm there Sneakers...lol ;)
Clas, I'm very
weary from my Climbing Chatroom battles and need some R&R. Those guys are
skinny but very strong for their size. I'd love Grandpa's photo and your addy as
well. So I can say "hello" to your grumpy ass occasionally. Since you are my
long lost half-brother, I've asked that you be included in the Deveraux/Lewis
family reunion. I'll send details and directions to you soon. Everyone is
looking forward to meeting you. Your Mom is also
invited.*mmmmmmwwwwwaaaaahhhhhh!
Sue, thanks Sugarbritches. I like you
too.
Mu, you are a damn fine looking man....and nice to boot! Mrs. Mu is
pretty as well.
off to get in some bouldering on this fine day
Be peaceful
and loving M
User: W1P the Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: I have no idea what I'm saying. I got a bike, you can ride it if you like, its got a basket, a bell that rings, and things that make it look good. I'd let you ride it if I could, but I borrowed it.
Aus, good to see you're "down" with Six Feet Under.
Spinal Tap Tribute "These Go to 11"? Am I saying I know of a Spinal Tap tribute that goes by this name?
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message:
Steely-folk,
While the following should be prefaced with the simple fact that I rarely enjoy cover material in regards to studio efforts by any given artist (with the occasional exception), as well as the fact that I have generally attempted to avert being unnecessarily nasty or harsh when writing CD or concert reviews over the years, I thought special merit should be granted to the notably energy-depleted band Wilco for their typically listless, sodden cover version of Steely Dan's "Any Major Dude Will Tell You," which I had the disappointment of hearing for the first time this morning.
Rarely has a song as astutely arranged and composed as this been saddled with a recording that contains such leaden drumming, uninspired vocals, and generally unfocused and uninteresting playing; while aware of the prospect that the bands' intention may very well be to sound as if they are suffering from (a) poorly scheduled late night/early morning recording sessions, (b) perpetual exhaustion, (c) insomnia, (d) valium addiction, or (e) severe brain damage, I'd have to say that overall Wilco's version was wholly unmemorable (as with most of their original material for that matter, the approach to which seems to suffer from all of the above). But then, who in the realm of music could top or even hope to compete with the immaculately played and produced original to start with?
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
P.S. Oleander - Check your e-mail.
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Gina - howdy. West 42nd Street? Sorry, can't make it.
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Hey! I'm not sure most of you know this, but I too am a Zappa fan...
Sue: I've already started plotting an alternate course to the White River Amphitheater just in case. I'm thinking a northerly approach for me might be better. Visualize a Woodstock-type traffic jam, only on a slightly smaller scale.
Ok, so how's this for proper use of technology..? Some dude with WAY TOO MUCH time on his hands came up with one of the coolest hacks I've ever seen. He's devised a way to SCAN an old vinyl LP and run the scanned image through a program to reproduce the recording digitally...
Read about it here: http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~springer/
StAl...where I stole the margarine...
User: Howard | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: I too am a huge Zappa fan. He's done so much, in so many styles, it's hard to pick out favourites...
Like Randy, I like the different sides to his music and personality - the guitar player, the funny guy, the composer, the band leader, the guy who likes to make serious points by taking the piss out of certain politicians/religous extremists...
I also love the way the different elements are used against each other. For example on Civilisation Phaze III, there is some of the best music he's ever recorded. Not all easy listening, but stuff that needs time to be appreciated. Then, sandwiched between some of these blocks of great music are 30-second snippets of people talking about living in a piano and contemplating "dark water", "ponies" etc. Mad stuff, but it's a great way to cleanse the palate between tracks. Kind of a musical "amuse bouche".
Mock Turtle - you said you'd love to hear what he had to say about these times. Well, here's an interesting snippet:
http://207.212.72.141/zappa1.html (go down to "It's an Arab Problem!")
He was of course talking about the first Gulf War, but (surprise, surprise) almost all of what he says applies in exactly the same way right now!
Here's an excerpt:
"Well my feeling is that basically it's an Arab problem and should be settled by Arabs. I dont think that any time there is a problem any place in the world that the United States should suddenly jump up and send hundreds of thousands of soldiers over there to fix it. And I believe that when the US government says that we're sending soldiers there to fight for a principle they're being somewhat dishonest because the only thing they're really concerned about is the oil. They're not going there to protect democracy because Kuwait was not a democracy, and neither is Saudi Arabia. Both of these countries had very very strict regimes."
Howard
User: bad sneakers | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Hi folks
Have been away for a while but now I have decided to form my Spinal Tap tribute band - We have chosen an eclectic mix of old and new covers for our one and only show - Next weekend (Obviously there will only be one performance as the drummer will spontaneously combust at the end of the gig)
Set list so far includes
Stonehenge
Sex farm
Big bottom
Tonight I'm gonna rock you
(tonight)
The majesty of rock
Lick my love pump
Trademark
solos
Little sandwiches scene re-enactment
Flower people
Comfortably
numb
Deacon Blues
East St Louis Toodle OOOOOOh
Baghdad shuffle
Fire
in the hole
Bolero
Any other suggestion for our ever burgeoning set should be forwarded to St Allahs new web poll - "Set list for the worlds undoubted best tribute band".
I have grown a mullet especially for the occasion and had a series of special Marshall stacks commissioned that go up to 11 instead of ten - There will be backstage canapes but none with any spam or eco friendly tuna - Half time will see a series of readings from such luminaries as Anthony Beevor and Eric Hobsbawn especially for Dr Mu, who may or may not give us a pro war diatribe for half an hour.
Clas and that other guy he pretends to be will be presenting a Swedish Meatball cookery class and Buffalo Bill will be demonstrating advanced steer-roping techniques in the foyer before jumping the grand Canyon on a Suzuki 125. Dano may be drunk - Molly is welcome as we are all Scottish.
Other women will be welcome but only to lay the roadies and tidy up afterwards.
User: Gina | Month: 2 | Day: 27
Message: Howdy Clas :-)
Howdy others, i saw talk about Zappa in here, well ...
This might interest
you!
G.
CANDY ZAPPA, NIGEY LENNON
NEW YORK APPEARANCES FOR APRIL 2003
California Classics authors and musicians Candy Zappa and Nigey Lennon will be making several appearances in the New York City area at the beginning of April, 2003. The appearances coincide with the joint publication of ZappaÆs new book, MY BROTHER WAS A MOTHER: A ZAPPA FAMILY ALBUM and the new edition of LennonÆs book BEING FRANK: MY TIME WITH FRANK ZAPPA.
The appearances that have been confirmed at press time (mid-March 2003) are as follows. Please contact California Classics for updates nearer to the actual appearance dates.
Friday, April 5: Candy Zappa and Nigey Lennon guest with Project/Object at B.B. KingÆs Blues Club, 237 West 42 Street, New York; (212) 997-4144. www.bbkingblues.com. Two sets, beginning at 8 p.m; standing room only.
Thursday, April 10: Candy Zappa and Nigey Lennon sign copies of their books at 6:30 p.m. at the ôoriginalö (1873) Barnes and Noble Bookstore, 105 Fifth Avenue (at 18th Street), New York; (212) 807-0099.
Sunday, April 13: Candy Zappa, Nigey Lennon and John Tabacco guest host the Zappathon radio program, WUSB Stony Brook, New York, 90.1 FM; netcast at www.wusb.org. All day program devoted to the music of Frank Zappa. Rare and unreleased tracks will be played. Zappa and Lennon will discuss their books and music. Also featured will be Greg Russo, author of the Frank Zappa reference book COSMIK DEBRIS: THE COLLECTED HISTORY AND IMPROVISATIONS OF FRANK ZAPPA.
User: From: inthesetimes.com | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: A woman is asking Kurt Vonnegut:
IÆd love to know your thoughts for a woman of 43 who is finally ready to have
children but is wary of bringing new lives into such a frightening
world.
Elizabeth Gratch
Ypsilanti, Michigan
Dear Elizabeth,
DonÆt do it! It could be another George W. Bush or
Lucrezia Borgia.
The kid would be lucky to be born into a society where even the poor people
are overweight, but unlucky to be in one without a national health plan or
decent public education for most, where lethal injection and warfare are forms
of entertainment, and where it costs an arm and a leg to go to college. This
would not be the case if the kid were a Canuck or Swede or Limey or Frog or
Kraut. So either go on practicing safe sex or emigrate.
Kurt
User: Sorry | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: It's Kurt Loder. Not Loden.
User: C@w | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Tribute Band - "Well, I know about a tribute band called Which One's Pink?"
Are you saying that you DO know a band called Which One's Pink, or are you ASKING us if you know a band called Which One's Pink?
User: C | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Jimbo - maybe I'm a little slow, how did we come to speak about Loden? I only remember the guy from his Rolling Stone-days.
And a smokey interview chat with Neil Young, a quiet night at the poolside on Young's backyard, on MTV, during the Gulf War.
Neil Young goes;
-We want their oil man, we want their oil, why can't we be open about that?
User: suedave | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Haven't been here for a while, I've missed this place! It's so great when everything is just as it was when you left it ;)
Pat - the White River Ampitheater - A nice rambling 2 lane road between Auburn & Enumclaw. Imagine the traffic jam getting out of there? Unbelieveable they finally got approval to build the place. But I'll see SD whereever they play - including at a state fair if that's where they are - but if they play there I'll be heading southbound to get outta there.
Randy - "Information is not knowledge, knowledge is not wisdom, wisdom is not
truth, truth is not beauty, beauty is not love, love is not music, music is the
best."
-Frank Zappa, 1979
I think that'll be my favorite quote going forward - for a while anyways.
Tones - good one.
Pat - the mountain is playing a lot of crap these days. Jason Mraz is near the top of the heap. Most of the music scene these days reminds me of the 80's. Good thing the mountain does Friday night flashback and the alternative Sunday shows. The Michael Moore show sounds like a hoot. Email me the details, will ya?
Clas - eeeww.
Moll - you really dress this place up!
Dumb - liked the Zappa choice you brought for us to read.
one page is as far as I can catch up for the moment, glad to get at least this far!
BTW - Seattle Danfest to see Larry Carlton on April 12th - details http://home.attbi.com/~suedave/seattledanfest.html or click above.
See ya maybe,
Susan
User: Aussie | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Tribute Band: Yes. I too heard "Peg" by Steely Dan on the new episode of Six Feet Under. I watch the show religiously myself but Oscar competed this past Sunday in the same time slot. So I caught the encore tonight.
Aus
User: Q | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Alas, Senator Patrick Moynihan, dead at 76.
One of the few politicians who ever really tried.
God Bless, Mr. Moynihan.
User: Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Tribute bands? Did someone say tribute bands? Well, I know about a tribute band called Which One's Pink? and they're playing this Saturday 3/29 @ Platinum Live 11345 Ventura Blvd, Studio City and next Saturday 4/5 @ Club SoHO in Santa Barbara. There's an 80% chance that "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd" will finally be delivered this Friday and available for acquisition at the 3/29 show. This is a good way to pass the time while waiting for the debut performance of Action Jackson a tribute to Jackson Brown in Stockholm.
User: Aja | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: The lack of logic, comprehension, or intelligent discussion is a dead giveaway. Sorry Bill, no way. This is America ;o)
Aja
User: db | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: welcome back bill !!!!
User: Baghdad or Baghdead? | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Aja please shut up.
He stayed within his own borders with 2 very notable exceptions,
the
last of which caused the Persian Gulf war. If he had been allowed
to
imperialize Kuwait he would have gone further and further and further.
This
FU@K has cost our country alot of time, money, and even some lives.
I
sincerely hope he's dead. If he isn't dead then lets make him that way
and
get this fu@king thing over with.
Btw, South Africa, Rwanda, and Cambodia never systematically aided
and
abetted any terrorists either sister. Nor did ever have a hand
in
attacking us on our own soil. Nor would they hide behind skirts
and
baby carriages. At least they had the balls to stand and fight like
men.
Which is more than we can say for your friends in Iraq.
You see they're alot like you Aja. They have no moral basis for what
they
do so they simply reley upon what they've been told to believe.
Oh,
and how many police have your so-called "peace activists" injured
during
thier anti-war rallys? I see, it's "Give me peace or I'll bust
your head open
with this liquor bottle"?
Think!
User: Aja.................SSDD | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: "Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler" says Fantasywhacker. Yeah, he's an evil bastard, though the "since Stalin and Hitler" allegation is a stretch since he pretty much stays within his own borders, with two notable exceptions. I'm with Paige-there is a heck of a lot more going on behind this than the government lets on, and it's been going on for quite a long time. Is anyone naive enough to believe that we're charging into Iraq because people are suffering? People have suffered in South Africa, Rwanda, Cambodia, Afghanistan, ad nauseum, yet we looked the other way (including Hitler's regime, and Stalin was our ally). This is about politics, and our brave men and women, whose dedication to our country is unquestionable, are being sent as pawns for fictitious reasons. Anyone who has a loved one over there (and I do) should be livid.
Back to music. Anyone know a good tribute band out there?
Aja
User: Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Hey skadevsllare. If you want your tribute band to be
successful, you need to throw yourself into the project as if nothing else
matters (tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands). To really
do Jackson justice, you'll need a mad scientist looking David Lindley clone.
Maybe you can take a few shots at a Darryl Hannah lookalike while you're at
it.
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Um, no...
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: So Michael Moore-on is the great white hope of the left now?
Michael Moron, has a nice ring to it don't you think?
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Clas- Kurt Loder still with M (no longer for music)TV? Boy did Kurt sell out more than ever. I remember when he used to just write for Rolling Stone and put out articles and reviews. But now after all those years, Loder is still trying to get in with the hip crowd.
BTW: I bought the Dixie Chicks concerts DVD last weekend. Happily, none of the customers or the store's employees called me UnAmerican. I guess that means they know how to read, listen and think. I think those who don't like today's idea of Country (I'm one of them)are the ones who'll stick with the Chicks.
I think this weekend, I'll buy Michael Moore's book, Stupid White Men. Why? It's the patriotic thing to do.
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message:
Interesting to see the talk about Sir Frank (Zappa);
while I do enjoy his more humor-oriented work, I was always partial to him as a
composer and arranger, but even more so as a guitarist, of which he is
considered (by this poster) as one of the greats. The Zappa albums I play the
most have always been the three-CD set of 'Shut Up 'n' Play Yer Guitar' (1981),
'Hot Rats' (1969), and 'Guitar' (1988). While always connecting with his
politics and scatological humor, I'd rather just hear him play; for that alone
he is truly missed-
"Information is not knowledge, knowledge is not wisdom, wisdom is not truth,
truth is not beauty, beauty is not love, love is not music, music is the best."
-Frank Zappa, 1979
"I'm nothing but a stranger in this world..." - Van Morrison, 'Astral Weeks'
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: Mock Turtle | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Funny that Zappa reference came up. I've got You Are What You is on my MP3 player these last few days. I find myself kind of liking his later stuff better than the older Flo and Eddie days. You Are What You is definitely isn't his best, but is of interest because every song is a scathing attack on one institution or another.
Too bad Frank's not around these days. I would love to hear what he would have to say about these crazy times. We need all the dissenting voices we can get.
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Everyone get's bashed in here no matter what band you listen to...
And yes Tones, I just chose to ignore...
Speaking of band bashing. Anyone heard an artist called Jason Mraz? One of his songs is getting some heavy play on KMTT and I've got to say it one of the worst songs I've heard in a very long time. I get the impression, though, that he'd be better live.
I have tickets to see Michael Moore speak at a local college on the 15th of April. Can't wait.
StAl
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Hey! I'm thinking of starting up a Jackson Browne Tribute Band. In order to do so, I need to organize an audition.
So, if there's a redhead out there, playing congas and shaker, having her own apartment, I wish to get in contact with her.
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Stagehands Union - three dots, not five two or seven, three dots... space after comma, like this.
---
Here's a link:
http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=390867
From inside Bagdadh.
User: The Stagehands Union | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Sorry, we didn't realize you knew what A heart was....
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: The Stagehands Union - In a shape of A heart, not THE heart.
---
Molly?
User: The Stagehands Union | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: It was widely reported that the applause for Jackson Browne at a recent concert came from 5 stagehands who really like "Shape of the Heart".
"Yes, the rest of the audience must have been expecting 'Lawyers In Love' or something, but the stagehands hollering and applause was heard louder than the rest of the concert hall...amazing.." said I.M. Sober, reporter for The Liberal Daily.
More on this story as it develops...
User: Clas | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Molly, do you want to see a picture of my grandfather?
User: Moll the Mistress of Mayhem, and Chat Room Slayer | Month: 2 | Day: 26
Message: Hey Everyone! It's finally Spring here in Hooterville.
The Mistress of Mayhem has been doing the Happy Spring Dance for days now. ;) Of
course, I'm glued to the TV like most others. I have two brothers and a couple
of close friends that are in the Military.
Fife, I've been busy in the
Climbing Chat Room as a Slayer. Someone dropped some Ecstasy in their water
supply, and I had to subdue the lot with their own rappelling ropes to keep them
from hurting themselves. No small feat as most of them are very apt with knots
(both tying and untying) Then because Ecstasy is a very tactile drug, they were
all enthralled with my new latex catsuit. I'm going to file a complaint with the
Chat Slayers union about our work attire...No matter how much Bluz oe Beth
complains, I'm losing the latex. I will visit the Talking Heads room soon. While
my attraction to Scottish men is well known, these days I have my eye on a
certain Englishman. He has eyes the color of the ocean and resembles Hugh Grant.
Well, Deck has a better body than Hugh....but you get my point.*wink* Until I
return from my Slayer travels, I'm counting on you to keep Banyan Trees safe and
orderly Fife. See ya soon! *kisses* M
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: this is from "inthesetimes":
And then there was Michael Moore. He received a standing ovation when Bowling for Columbine was announced the winner of best documentary. The Chicago TribuneÆs Mark Caro reported that the pressroom also erupted in applause when it was announced that Moore had won.
Taking the stage, flanked by documentary filmmakers, Moore said:
IÆve
invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us. They are here in
solidarity with me because we like nonfiction. We like nonfiction and we live in
fictitious times. We live in the time when we have fictitious election results
that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending
us to war for fictitious reasons, whether it is the fiction of duct tape or the
fiction of orange alerts. We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr.
Bush. Shame on you. And any time that you have the Pope and the Dixie Chicks
against you, your time is up.
John Horn of the Los Angeles Times reported
that ôas MooreÆs speech reached its crescendoö Oscar producer Gil Cates and
director Louis Horvitz, who were in the production truck, decided ôto cut him
off. æMusic! Music!Æ Horvitz yelled. The orchestra quickly drowned out the rest
of MooreÆs speech.ö And his microphone receded into the floor.
Most of the Hollywood audience smiled and applauded, but stagehands, who were close to the microphones, booed loudly, making it appear to a television listener that MooreÆs criticism of President Bush was not well received.
ôIt was so sweet backstage, you should have seen it. The Teamsters are helping Michael Moore into the trunk of his limo,ö quipped Steve Martin after a commercial break.
Backstage, Moore kept up his criticism. These remarks were well reported by
the TribuneÆs Mark Caro and the Chicago Sun-Times Bill Zwecker, but most of the
national media ignored them.
Reporter: Why did you do what you
did?
Moore: IÆm an American.
Reporter: ThatÆs it?
Moore: Well thatÆs a
lot. IÆm an American, and you donÆt leave your citizenship when you enter the
doors of the Kodak Theatre. ... I donÆt stop being who I am when I come to this
ceremony, and IÆm extremely grateful for this response.
Moore wanted it made
clear that despite the loud boos from the stagehands, the Hollywood audience was
behind him: ôDonÆt report that there was a split decision in the hall because
five people booed,ö he said. ôI did not hear that. I saw the entire place stand
up and applaud, applaud a film that talks about how we are manipulated by the
fear thatÆs put forth by the White House and put forth by corporate America to
create a culture of violence at home and abroad.ö
Noting that his book Stupid White Men is on the nonfiction bestseller list, Moore said, ôMy fingerÆs on the pulse of where I think the majority of Americans are at, and I think it would be irresponsible of me not to say what I felt. I donÆt think anyone who voted for me for this award thought theyÆd get a speech about agents and lawyers or the lawyers of agents.ö America, he said, is ônot divided ... the majority of Americans do not want to see their boys or girls killed in this war. The majority of people do not want to see our democracy hijacked by the squatter on federal land at 1600 Pennsylvania. I just happen to believe in one person, one vote, and you count all the votes.ö
Naturally, the national media, which have been busy as wartime cheerleaders, falsely reported that Moore was not well received. Kurt Loder of MTVÆs report on Michael MooreÆs ôwitless flip-outö was typical. Loder wrote: ôMoore brought all of the losing nominees in his category up onstage with him as a show of æsolidarity.Æ (Uh oh.) He then launched into a raving denunciation of æour fictitious president,Æ which ... okay, a lot of people feel this way. But MooreÆs spittle-flecked undulations were so over-the-top, that even the Oscar crowdùhis natural constituency, you might thinkùerupted in a storm of boos. This was totally unexpected.ö
Are Loder et al softening us up for another Hollywood blacklist? Boycott Hollywood already wants to dim the lights of 94 outspoken stars.
A statement released by the Screen Actors Guild, earlier in the month, put it this way: ôSome have recently suggested that well-known individuals who express æunacceptableÆ views should be punished by losing their right to work. This shocking development suggests that the lessons of history have, for some, fallen on deaf ears.ö
The furor over MooreÆs comments will no doubt continue. We should remember the words of Barbara Streisand, who said, ôI am glad that I live in a country that guarantees every citizen, including artists, the right to say and to sing what you believe.ö In a culture where the Dixie Chicks are being blacklisted, it was an affirmation that needed to be made.
User: What'sgoingonnow | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: the answer is : no Ho Chi Minh trail...no ability to continuously resupply...
But there are 10,000-60,000 Fedayeen - a terrorist SS group headed by Saddam's son opened mortar and AK-47 fire when Shiites attempt to throw down their shackles in Basrah. The British have come to their aid... Now there is word that the Fedayeen (as predicted) are dressing in US military uniforms and killing civilians...
...and what is the Republican Guard doing with gas masks, chemical suits sealed up tight and atropine for weapons they don't have? the order for use of chemical weapons against the coalition...
It's nervous time with the 101st Airborne out of their element playing clean-up when Iraqi officers order the dismantling of the Geneva convention committing atrocity after atrocity against...and the 4th Cavalry, which supposedly are the best unit, not in Turkey but crossing the Suez Canal. The Nightmare scenario is Stalingrad, not 'Nam especially given our committment to preserve civilians while the other side hides in hospitals, child care centers, schools...we're fortunate to have only 20 casualties so far - the real work begins...
It's time to put the lens caps on the imbedded cameras...and the excessive coverage and Lesley Stahl...war is not a spectator sport...
...The Pope against war? a shocker...wish I could say the same re: pedophilia...
...dolphins join the coalition to identify mine clearing targets to bring in humanitarian aid...
praying for a swift resolution and a Dan single soon...
User: transfer from the blue pages | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Intelligance and sophistication?? Oh my God. Like chasing a 21 year old around with a cigar then surrounding yourself with Lawyers and lying under oath, then impeached! Real sophysticated and bright--good judgement and leadership.Before that he was Big Mac chompin' Baba. Your criteria is truly truly frightening. Were 450 tomahawk missles he launched into Irag at $1 million each sophisticated or Intelligent?
BTW really ....Phish sucks
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: St Al - Man... you *are* getting old! (I can say that because I'm older than you are...) Can't believe you let my crack about Phish slide by. I was laughing so hard I could barely see the *send* button.
Btw, I think they're ok... I just couldn't resist...
User: Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Nobody on the Yellow watches Six Feet Under?
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Damn -- finally found a webpage for this new NW venue. http://www.muckleshoot.nsn.us/
It's a CLEAR CHANNEL shed just like all the other crappy sheds around the country.
BOOOOO
StAl
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Tones -- ultimately you're right. The dilemma is only in my head as I know exactly what I'd do assuming this happened. Let's face it, the chances Phish will continue touring for years to come is much greater than you know who...
I'm dying to see a show at this new amphitheater. Supposedly has a roof but the sides are open? Lollapalooza '03 is set to play there this Summer. Would love to see Jane's Addiction, Audioslave, etc, but I promised my wife only 2 concerts (Phish & Steely Dan) this Summer with an option for a third (String Cheese). Love the music at Lollapalooza -- not sure I can deal with the crowd...
I guess I'm getting old.
Pat
User: Bill | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Very sorry to hear about Mark Knopfler's motorcycle
accident in London
last week. Mark apparently was struck by a car in London
and broke six
ribs and his collarbone in the accident. He was scheduled to
perform
with Eric Clapton at Albert Hall today.
Anyone who hasn't picked up his latest cd "The Ragpickers Dream" is
missing out on a good one.
Wishing Mark a speedy recovery.
User: tones | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: St. Al - What dilemma? You listen to one of the live Phish cds on the way to see the Dan. No dilemma there... lol...
In terms of logic, Phish probably has 20 to 30 more good years in them, while the Dan may only have 15 to 20 more good years... I say see the Dan now, and you can see Phish later, when they get good...
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Q: Interesting. Odd place for the band to play anyway...
Speaking of tour announcements, one just out of beautiful Vermont. PHISH! So, to all you Phishheads out there, be sure to check out:
http://phishtickets.rlc.net
I certainly hope Steely Dan doesn't decide to hit the NW on July 12th or 13th. Phish is scheduled to hit the Gorge on those dates, however, there is a new outdoor venue in Seattle (called the White River Amphitheater) which I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Steely Dan play. Would present a dilemma for sure...
Ever stumble upon an old piece of music only to (re)discover it in a completely new manner? Been listening to Jesse Colin Young's Songs For Juli, specifically "Ridgetop," a lot lately. What a beautiful piece of music. How did I forget about that?
Does that happen to you?
StAl
User: Q | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: "ticket sales"...
Also,the Dan slot/narrative has been removed from their site.
User: Q | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Official word JUST recvd by direct contact with the Mid-State Fair in CA - "tickets for the (supposed) Steely Dan show have been postponed"...
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Jackson had a percussionist with the band this time. Great backup singer she was too. I must say the band was so cool, no stupid attitude, just great musicians standing there playing.
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Wasn't this Moore guy, on the Oscar-event, funny?
-If you have the Pope and the Dixie Chick against you, you must understand you're in trouble.
User: Paige | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message:
Here is the URL to the PBS segment called: "The War
Behind Closed Doors"
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq/view/
The entire program can be streamed in 6 segments. Pretty interesting stuff about what our government does behind the scenes. A must see. It's the feel good film of the summer.
-Paige
User: Paige | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Dear <.....>...(By the way, thanks for using your real name, it shows great personal conviction)
I'm not sure that I stated that Bush should be (as you put it) sitting around and watching TV all day. I merely felt that he had an obligation to review the videos of what is happening to the people he has sent to war. As a former officer in the US Army, I would want to see what is happeneing to the men and women under my command. I would feel that it was my duty in that I am responsible for their well-being. I am "shocked and awed" that the "Commander and Chief" did not see these videos.
And as far as Clinton goes...
I did not elect a Pope. I elected someone to
run this country with intelligence and sophistication.
Someone on the Right stated to me once that ...."Can't you see that President Clinton is a terrible role model for our children?" Let me tell you something...I wouldn't have ANY politician be a role model for my children. ALL politicians are corrupt and should never be looked upon as role models.
All things considered...the Monica situation seems pretty tame to what's going on now.
Finally...
There was a "Frontline" presentation a few days ago on PBS that
everyone should see. It deals with the plan against Iraq long before Bush took
office. The war with Iraq has little to do with terrorism. This was and is the
"Bush Doctrine" which has been in the works for a very long time.
Thanks again "<.....>."
-Paige
User: Ru | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Angel: Thank you but, I haven't posted here in almost a year. I think you have the wrong anon.
User: <.....> | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: paige, we didnt elect him to sit around and watch TV anymore than we want him chasing interns around the oval office. Its comforting the president doesnt rely on CNN or ABC for his information.
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: jjeff: I thought of you this past weekend as I was working in my garden. Glad you are ok.
Did anyone see the comment on the Blue Book regarding someone hearing 2 cuts
from the album? (a quick cut and paste here, the following words are not
mine.)
"Heard 'The Last Mall (classic Kamakiriad-type Fagen with 2VN-style
Becker blues doodling) and 'Godwhacker' (funky bass/lead thing going on, sounds
excellent) this morning."
Do you think that means some promo copies are making the rounds?
User: Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb? | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: The Turing guy was actually pretty funny this time.
User: Ru | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Clas: To be honest, I'd rather talk about the war.
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 25
Message: Great show last night. Jackson Browne and band. They were a little tired and homesick, but very relaxed and loose.
"The Naked Ride Home", "Late for the Sky", "The Pretender", followed by "Running on Empty", heavy stuff.
"For Taking the Trouble", "Lives in the Balance", "In the Shape of a Heart"... at the end, he asked us, the audience, if we could let him off playing The Loadout/Stay.
This is what my wife told me when she woke me up. According to her, I fell asleep very early into the show, during "Barricades of Heaven".
No, just kidding.
Great Artist, Jackson Browne.
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: will
User: Pop Quiz | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: Due to false surrenders there were a limited number of ambushes. As a result, the "white flag" sill not receive the respect it deserves. One foolish reporter asked if this might become a continous scenario, like Vietnam. This is logistically impossible. Why? Explain.
Hints:
Robin Williams
Wizard of Oz
Good Morning
User: FantasyWhacker | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: PSA Iraq341: The attacks were conducted by sneaky
Republican Guard units waving white flags, who are composed of a limited number
of SUNNIS. The greatful people of the South are Shiites....we will cover our
asses better from this point forward...
If conflict were taking place anywhere in the civilized world or in Iraq and the US Marines capture and a pilot had to eject over our territory, he could expect to be captured upon parachuting to earth. He would expect his captors to be cautious toward him but know that he, a lone individual with at most a side arm, could not present much of a threat.
Contrast this with the televised scenes we saw yesterday on Al Jazeera of Iraqi soldiers firing wildly into the Tigris River and setting riverbank reeds on fire in a crazed attempt to murder a defenseless pilot they thought was there.
OR horrid scenes US Marines who had excuted, raped, tortured...and they smiled...
...and we found the big smoking chemical factory gun in Najir before it became a smoking gun...
Peace will have a Chance after we kill the bastards...
Human Shields Wise Up:
Arnaud de Borchgrave, UPI's Editor at Large:
"A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with 14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government minders present.
Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the Assyrian Church of the East and a former human shield, told UPI the trip "had shocked me back to reality."
Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start. They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists.
"Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head.""
User: jjeff-a quick bit of the in-out | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: I don't post anymore but I do occasionally read. I t was nice to be greeted with Zappa's Dumb All Over. Too bad he couldn't have put it to music ;-).
Peace, people.
User: Dumb All Over | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: Whoever we are
Wherever we're from
We shoulda
noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to
improve
It's gonna take a lot more
Than tryin' to remove
The other
race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether
They call it THE EARTH
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it
right
'Cause we behave the same . . .
We are dumb all over
Dumb all
over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near 'n far
Dumb all over,
Black 'n white
People, we is not wrapped tight
Nurds on the left
Nurds on the right
Religious fanatics
On the
air every night
Sayin' the Bible
Tells the story
'N makes the
details
Sound real gory
'Bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Don't believe in the book
We got over here
You can't run a race
Without no feet
'N pretty soon
There won't
be no street
For dummies to jog on
Or doggies to dog on
Religious
fanatics
Can make it be all gone
(I mean it won't blow up
'N
disappear
It'll just look ugly
For a thousand years . . . )
You can't run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a
lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those
unbelievers
From a neighboring state
TO ARMS! TO ARMS!
Hooray! That's great
Two legs ain't bad
Unless
there's a crate
They ship the parts
To mama in
For souvenirs: two
ears (Get Down!)
Not his, not hers (but what the hey?)
The Good Book
says:
"It's gotta be that way!"
But their book says:
"REVENGE THE
CRUSADES . . .
With whips 'n chains
'N hand grenades . . . "
TWO
ARMS? TWO ARMS?
Have another and another
Our God says:
"There ain't
no other!"
Our God says
"It's all okay!"
Our God says
"This is
the way!"
It says in the book:
"Burn 'n destroy . . .
Repent, 'n redeem
'N
revenge, 'n deploy
'N rumble thee forth
To the land of the unbelieving
scum on the other side
'Cause they don't go for what's in the book
'N
that makes 'em BAD
So verily we must choppeth them up
Or stompeth them
down
Or rent a nice French bomb
To poof them out of existance
While
leaving their real estate just where we need it
To use again
For temples
in which to praise
OUR GOD
("Cause he can really take care of
business!")
And when his humble TV servant
With white hair
And a brown suit
And maybe a blonde wife who takes phone calls
Tells us it is okay to do
this stuff
Then we're supposed to do it,
'Cause if we don't do it,
We ain't gwine up to hebbin!
(Depending on which book you're using at
the time . . . Can't use theirs . . . . . .
it's all lies . . . Gotta use
mine . . . )
Ain't that right?
That's what they say
Every night . .
.
Every day . . .
Listen, we can't really be dumb
If we're just
following God's Orders
After all, he wrote this book here
An' in the
book it says:
"He made us all to be just like Him," so . . .
If we're
dumb . . .
Then God is dumb . . .
(An' maybe even a little bit ugly on
the side)
DUMB ALL OVER
A LITTLE UGLY ON THE SIDE
DUMB ALL OVER
A LITTLE
UGLY ON THE SIDE
DUMB ALL OVER
A LITTLE UGLY ON THE SIDE
DUMB ALL
OVER
A LITTLE UGLY ON THE SIDE
Frank Zappa (1981)
User: fiferoni | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: ah i'm looking for moll the chat slayer, hey moll if your around their looking for a slayer over at the talking head chat site, david's out of control again, you know what those scots are like.
User: Aja...............back@work | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: Paige-President Bush only pulls his head out of the sand when he needs to spout rhetoric, then sticks it back in as soon as possible. War is so much simpler when you don't have to look at it.
lp-or was that the quote and I'm having a blonde moment?
Aja
User: Fingers | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: A 4 year old girl crying in agony....her tiny body burnt raw from chin to toe.....sobbing, in terror, unable to understand the world she is so young to.............will not live through the night.
.....rhetoric, dogma, politics, just wars, making the world a safer place for our children....
not that one little girl....God / Allah / Javeh bless her and forgive us all for our blind cruel stupidity.
User: Quickie (she said ambushed) | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: If you listen you can hear it
It's fake laughter in
the streets
It's a notion, and the news is
They set fires beneath your
seat
All the signs are wrong this time
You don't have to try so very
hard
If you lift up their shirts
You'll see they're Republican Guard
Hey you cowboys and your neighbors
Can you follow up your jive
Take
your guns off and gawd willin'
you will know who's on your side
When you
listen right thru the cheers
It's high time you showed your smarts
If
you lift up their shirts
You'll see they're Republican Guard
User: Paige | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: So, let's see...
Just about everyone in the media has
seen that gruesome footage of American soldiers being captured, possibly
tortured and murdered...but of course, it was considered too much for public
consumption in the West. Probably so. The Pentagon called it "disturbing"...etc.
etc.
Now switch to the press conference of today when Ari (Presidential spokesperson) was asked: "Has the President seen this footage." Ari said that he didn't know but the likelihood is that he did not. When asked why, Ari said that it had been taken off the air (implying that the Presdient didn't get a chance to see it).
Didn't this same line of questioning come up right after the night of "shock and awe?" When asked if the President had seen the footage of the night we dropped a record number of bombs on Bagdad, Ari replied that the President is not a TV watcher and that he didn't know if he had seen it. He added that the Presdient doesn't have to watch a tape of the bombing to know what is going on and the need to disarm Saddam.
Does it bother anyone else that our President has not seen the tapes of two extremely disturbing events in the Iraq war? Doesn't he have an obligation to those he has sent into harms way to see what they are faced with? No matter how guresome the tapes were, I would expect our President to watch them. And I certainly would hope that he would review the very "shock and awe" he and his military ordered up for the people of Bagdad.
I just don't get it. If you have the power to invade another country, shouldn't you have the obligation to see what your power has resulted in?
-Paige
User: Aja...................more politics as usual | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: lp-no, I missed it-what was the quote?
Aja
User: j | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: the middle east is a like crazy, fucked up family down the street on heavy drugs, who cheat, lie and steal on each other; and the parents and the kids all beat each other up. then the u.s. is like the white-bread suburban neighbors who wouldn't have nothing to with them 'cept that they got that crazy family's sweet jelly roll on the side. so we go in there saying we come the name of making them a happy family when really we should mind our own business and learn not to crave their jelly roll. and they resent our meddling in their family.
User: LP | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: hey aja - did you see that interview of the correspondent kidnapped in 91 this morning? that was a GREAT quote!
the work of the world is done by those that show up...remember that kids...
User: that should read | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: "like the imperialist, aggressor nation" and "Muslim". I hate Mondays.
User: Aja...................politics as usual | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: Doc mu wrote: "Guess what? They're celebrating in the streets where the coalition has freed Iraqis from the cruel rule of (the late?) Saddam..."
Check the latest news, Doc. Our guys and gals have been ambushed, attacked, and some captured in the "friendly" south, where we were supposed to be welcomed like D-day liberators. Maybe we should have asked if they wanted to be liberated first. And we'd better find some WMD or we'll look really stupid-or worse, like an imperialist, agressor nation that al-Qaeda has painted us to be. The 9/11 attacks were supposed to cause a Muslin uprising against U.S interests, but instead it horrified the world and engendered sympathy for the U.S. However, with this action Bush has succeeded in organizing the Middle East (and Europe, Asia, etc.) against us better than bin Laden ever could have hoped to do.
The best news is coming out of the New York Times, if you want to know what's really going on. Give peace a chance.
Aja
User: Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: Peg was played on Six Feet Under last night at Ruth's birthday party. Anybody watch this?
User: TheIraquiPeople | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: Reports of our desire for liberation were greatly exagerrated.
When will you learn not believe everything you see on Fox, you silly Americans?
User: lp | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: b - nice tune below - miss those lyrical parodies
aus, ward - our slip is almost done with army corps permitting, thanks to your phone call - get the yacht ready to come up, meet you in newport darling...
User: Britney Spears | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: As a perpetual 14 year old pop star, I resent that!
Bring me a girl
They're always the best
You put em' on stage and
you have em' undress
Some angel whore who can learn a guitar lick
HEY, now
that's what I call music!
-Tom Petty
User: keep | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: Bill, go away. Jimbo, do you have any bad nicknames for Justin Timberlake.
Justin Timberfake? Justin Fagerfake?
You need to stop listening to 14-year old pop.
User: Yiii-haaa! | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: Tonight's the night!
Jackson Browne on stage opening the show with "The night inside me".
Is this gonna be cool or what?
---
Aussie - yes, of course.
/C
User: Beerberian Really Free | Month: 2 | Day: 24
Message: T; Thanks for the concern , But I had a chat with Hoops about the first Haiku (he was concerned , quite rightly ,about War content) and he agreed relevence was proven ... The EMG slanted ones where never in danger of being pulled tho' - Storm in a teacup really !!
Oleander; You were my inspiration - I dedicate 'em all to you ...
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: BAD NEWS- The war is still on.
MORE BAD NEWS- Enema,
I mean Eminem wins a Oscar. I guess the voters must
have had a little too
much Black Cow during the selection process.
GOOD NEWS-Catherine Zeta-Jones got an Oscar. HOTTTTTT!
MORE GOOD
NEWS-Michael Moore wins an Oscar and tells off the maniacs of the Administration
before he got booed off.
Oh, and Chicago won Best Picture.
User: Bill | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: Hold on a second... I don't wanna talk about the war on this board okay?
Here's a Steely Dan related question for y'all.
Being that "Everything
Must Go" is slated for release in June, how will
this affect the summer
tour? Will they immediately kick off the tour
in June or will they give the
album a couple of months to circulate first?
Hopefully they'll kick off the tour as soon as the album is
released.
Jones Beach Amphitheater loses some of it's charm in December.
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: Whoo-hoo! Let's see: so far that's snakie, Karen, and ole. Looks like my little '87 Golf is getting a bit crowded... maybe we should rent a limo...
It's gotta be a VW limo though... gotta have that fahrfugnugen...
User: Bill | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: I see you came to your senses and unblocked my IP adress Patrick...
The NYC Anti-war protest totalled approximately 200,000 people on
saturday. This may seem like alot of people but when you consider
that
there are at least 10 million people in NYC, the 5 boroughs,
and Long Island,
it really isn't a very large percentage of people.
Estimates put the crowd
somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 people.
That equates to somewhere
between 1 and 2 percent of the population.
Considering everything that's going on I can see why Donald and
Walter
pushed the released date forward to June.
User: oleander | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: Umm... I was just over at the Blue and Beers' most excellent EMG haiku are all there....
tones--Most def I will ride with you! Great skate tricks. Also: Negative Vert; Fakie Girl; Hey 180; East St. Louis 5-0; Third World Manual.... OK, I'll stop.
Hutch--great pick-up on "Everything Must Go." Nothing new under the sun....
Re: genocide. Though the word's technical & root meaning is eradication of a people, its connotation includes the attempt to do so. There was no way that Hitler could kill all Jews, only those who lived within his rule, but his aim was to do so. But pretty much everyone agrees that he committed attempted genocide. Same with the Hutus and Tutsis, the Cambodians, and many more. So just because the Chinese were unsuccessful at wiping out the Tibetans, or decided to quit short of killing the rest of them, it doesn't mean that what they were doing merited the name of genocide. So you might ask: what percent of a people have to be killed to count as genocide? And, as Tones remarked, the Chinese are attempting to commit culture-cide (is there a word for that?). You could argue that killing the culture of a people de facto kills that people, even though they are not physically dead. I appreciate your point that "genocide" shouldn't be tossed around carelessly. I do think it applies to Tibet.
On a lighter note, Ambient Dan: or, Never Let Your Guard Down. The Dan Is Following You: Went to some friends' this evening, people who can't fathom my fondness for the Dan. And on their counter was a brand-new "Mose The Fireman," which I have looked for off & on for ages. Unfortunately, they refused my poignant pleas to give or sell it to me then & there. I'm going to have to watch it with their kids. Maybe I can trade them a Harry Potter action figure for it.
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: Aus- Dude! Turn off CNN! You should be selling tiquets to your living room. I know I'd pay to see Plush on your oversized widescreen...
Got any popcorn?
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: It so easy to get a rise out of MAC users... I hear FreeBSD, I mean OS X is pretty good. Should be considering it's roots.
And for the record I think XP sucks horse farts. They had something with Windows 2000 and they went and f'd it all up.
Now, where did I put that abacas..?
StAl
User: Mac | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: Pat--
Which Mac OS are you talking about? Mac OS X is a completely different OS from previous versions. It's as different as Xp is from 3.1 Even uses different versions of programs.
User: Aussie | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: Clas: Tiquets to the Iraqui war theatre were really tough to come by, even with my press credentials. Besides, who wants to come back home with their clothes smelling like burnt petrol and dust in every crevice of your body when I can stay in my flat and watch the action unfold from my oversized digital plasma screen in dolby THX-Lucas surround sound on Cable News Network?
Aus
User: Paige | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: (Macs) "NO ONE USES THEM"
StAl...I use a Mac. Sorry you have to use a PC.
Like tones...I root for the underdog...the road less taken...always the rebel. Sorry, can't seem to help myself.
-Paige
PS - (just giving you a hard time)
-P
User: Where people are rolling in the snow... | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: Facts about the Tibetan occupation:
http://www.friends-of-tibet.org.nz/index.html
"...far from the world we know..."
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: Btw...
FREE BEERBERIAN!!
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: Your Royal Highness Of the Planet (as far as we know) - I stand corrected. The Chinese are merely trying to wipe out the entire Tibetan culture and religion and rewrite their history, and anyone who doesn't capitulate to the Chinese way must run for their lives. So far that means 1.2 million people murdered, and 100,000 refugees out of a country of 6 million pacifists.
So maybe you're right, maybe "genocide" is too strong a word. It's more like a Borg thing - Tibet is being "assimilated". But that just doesn't have the same impact, does it?
pizza
t
User: king of the world, already | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: To CLARIFY... "genocide" means that one race is DESTROYING another entire race. Unless the Chinese are actually, systematically setting out to kill each and every last Tibetan on Earth, genocide is NOT taking place. The Turks set out to KILL all Armenians in their territories. The Nazis set out to KILL all Jews. That's genocide. Anything short of this is some other sort of oppressioin, NOT "genocide". Mangling the meaning of important English words only impedes the cause of freedom, it doesn't help it.
User: king of the world | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: You know what? Iraq? I don't give a shit. Why? Call me Mr. Cynical, but when they spend half a billion on "shock and awe" (first part, definitely), and I have to grapple to maintain my $565/month Disability.... none of this is subject to any influence from me, anyway. It's "my" country, but that's only a technicality. I have less influence/connection to our gov't than some random guy in Beirut.
Besides, the Bluebook is erasing Beerbarian's haikus. Damn you all to hell, you damn dirty apes!! Soylent green is people!!
Actually, it's obviously about stuff behind the scenes we're not privy to. But last time the Kurds benefitted, and I'm sure that this time, someone will benefit also.
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: Aussie - oh, I was thinking you were at the battlefield, but jusd forged aboud id?
And I have read most of Vonneguts novels. Cat's Craddle, Slapstick or Lonesome no More, Slaughterhouse 5 etc. But that was years ago.
---
Tomorrow; Jackson Browne. I guess the audience will go wild when he plays "Lives in the Balance".
"...they can be counted on to tell us who the enemies are, but they are never the ones, to fight or to die..."
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: I was wrong. Apparently that massacre in Nigeria happened a year or so ago... I just heard about it last week.
Sorry.
User: tones | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: St Al - Lol! Yeah, I know you're right, but as long as us Mac users are in the safer minority it's fun to keep throwing pebbles at the evil empire. Knowing me, if for some reason Apple gained the majority of the market share I'd probably move to Linux. I tend to root for the underdog... especially when they make better computers... heh heh...
And especially especially when they're trying to stop an unjust war for profit. There is nothing more stupid than people protesting to "support our troops" and saying the anti-war protests are "un-American", when the peace rallyers are trying to get the troops home before they get killed for corporate profit. The blind "patriotic" "support" the pro-war people offer has a lot of innocent troops dying for nothing we need as a nation.
And as for that bullshit about "liberating the Iraqi people", well I don't see us going to "liberate" Nigeria, where several hundred people were massacred last week, or Tibet where genocide has been going on for 50 years.
But hey... I'm blue in the face already... Thanks for the space to vent St. Al; my head would've exploded a long time ago without this outlet.
I'm losing sleep in anticipation of EMG. Everybody who buys or mentions Steely Dan around me gets the full update whether they've heard about it or not. Yeah, I'm that annoying...
Happy Spring everyone... such as it is...
pieces
t
User: fiferoni | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: sunday morrning listening:
Robbie Robertson-Robbie
Robertson
Eno/Cale-Wrong way up
Laurie Anderson-Strange Angels
Daniel
Lanois-For the beauty of Wynona
U2-Achtung Baby
Thank God spring is here,
Hopefully there will be peace before summer arrives
User: StAl.....stats are us..... | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: SD, BB and others... Yes, this website has been experiencing problems over the past few days. They've been having problems applying security patches to the LINUX servers. Hopefully we're in the clear.
Tones, sorry man, I just can't let blatant comments like that go... No security holes in the MAC because no one bothers to look because NO ONE USES THEM.. :) I guarantee you if the MAC platform were as pervasive as Windows, it'd be patch-o-day out of Cupertino too. Besides, in Mu's defense -- his comments were directed at Apple's SMART decision to elect Gore to their board of directors... Not the platform itself.
Polls show up to 75% of the American people support this action in Iraq. I saw an interesting poll which I believe proves the fact that a majority of those who support this action are simply god-fearing, self-righteous sheep who do not have the ability to think for themselves.
http://specials.msn.com/special/americaatwar/default.asp
In this poll 50% believe that war protests are "un-American"
So there they are. All 50% of the American idiots. The other 25% (making up the difference between polls), like Mu, have given this a lot of thought and though I don't agree with their conclusions, they obviously are not sheep -- but that's only 25%...
Voices of dissent are like canaries to the coal miners. You may not like the song they sing, but the fact they are prove the air is safe to breath.
User: steelydoubt | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: whats going on with the site? maybe its my browser.
User: Erratum | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: should read "on this cruel, UGLY evening".
Why
because that's what it was.
b
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: "Your town is unlike any other
With cynicism, work
and pray
Our own folks are doin' business in their normal way
This
evening, it was daisy cutters
They slammed and kissed Iraqis goodbye
When the sirens screamed
We pointed up at the sky
Chorus:
From Mosul to the streets of Kirkut
Through Baghdad and this
Arab World
They're speeding towards your bun
They want Bath party gone
Here come Tomahawks whirlin'
Tomahawks Hurl
You see them from the beach at launch hour
Setting up for vertical raise
From ships and subs,
A few more miles and they will make your day
Their hisses sound like real bizness
And when they fly, they fly real
fierce
Look what's left of your army
When statistics clear
Some landed off Kuwaiti beaches
Their engines made Iran's skin
curl
The heat is so intense
Iraq has no defense
Against Tomahawks
whirlin'
In the cruel of the evening
In the last night of your crippled sons
We wait by the tele
End up dazed, dizzy, worryin' some
Soon the
warning screeches
They start rolling in off the sea
(crossing fingers
they won't hit the wrong street)
Yes, at lantern time
That's when they
Kablooey
Kablooeee- ee- eey
Ka-bloo-eeeeeeeeey
Boom Boom Boom
taratata
Boom Boom Boom...
We hone in with precision guidance
We're killin' soldiers on your back
lawn
Some time goes by
Folks fall asleep with the TV on
And dream
about a landing eagle
But the land is full of dangerous mines
Look out
fellas
It's shredding time
They're mixing up chemical agents
A virus wears out boys and girls
We'll Look for certain signs
Cooked by those angry guys
First send
Tomahawks whirlin'
You're not bin Laden but up to sumthin'
Since nine
eleven
Tomahawks whirl
we rocked the Casbah, knocked your Palace
We'll
blame Ezbolah
Tomahawks whirl
You're off in hidin', You're up to
sumthin'
well start welcomin'
Tomorrow's World
You knocked our cities,
blew up Bali
It went kablooey
Tomahawks whirl
It's Tomorrow's
world..."
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 23
Message: ¦ - uh huh, so monopolistic censorship would be ok with you as long as they played jazz?
And you say Clear Channel is comprised of mostly Latinos. How do you know this, and more importantly why does it matter? Lowry Mays doesn't sound like a Latino name to me.
Last question: You wrote, "The Democratic party will hopefully reverse their handling of Latinos or we will never win another election..." You consider yourself a Democrat? Was that a typo?
Btw, Macs aren't going anywhere. Somebody's got to hold the world together while the Windozers are downloading security patches...
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 22
Message: t: I am not enamored by Clear Channel any more than anyone else, primarily because they play crappy music... and in a lot of places. If they played Jazz, it would be a different story. Clear Chennel was a little company in 1996 based in San Antonio when Al Gore championed the Telecommunications Act. Remember, the Congress was barely under Repubs controll and Bill Clinton signed the bill. Then Gore declared he invented the internet. This was truly a bipartisan effort. If you have any gripes write Al gore c/o Apple.com (StAl - you may be finally right about the future of Macs - however, I remain ever faithful)
The Pro-American demonstrations in Houston and San Antonio have been well-attended and Clear Channel made a business decision to jump on the bandwagon. Besides, Clear Channel and San Antonio both are highly composed of Latinos, who are generally patriotic in Texas. The Democratic party will hopefully reverse their handling of Latinos or we will never win another election...
Yes, the problem with reinventing history is that most everything over the last century is public record...
Even the far left Salon.com sees the handwriting:
http://www.salon.com/books/int/2003/03/22/berman/index_np.html
and the French:
Eva Cahen, CNSNews.com
Wednesday, March 19, 2003
PARIS û
..."Liberation" reported that Dominique Dord, a deputy from the majority UMP party in France, said during Tuesday's assembly debate, "We would look really stupid if Iraqis applaud the arrival of Americans."
Guess what? They're celebrating in the streets where the coalition has freed Iraqis from the cruel rule of (the late?) Saddam...
I'll leave you and Clas to your fantasies. StAl - last one out turn off the lights...
Bluz: Listening to The Stylistics...It always amazed me how little
discussion there has been on viable early 70s R&B groups here. "People Make
the World Go Round" has very tasty arrangments. Stylistics, EWF, Funkadelic,
Spinners, O'Jays, etc. were a big influence on both Kama and TvN and clearly
were fundamental in inspiring NYR&SR...
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 22
Message: Never heard anything by Dixie Chicks but I think I'll buy their latest... .
L
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 22
Message: Thanks Karen.
:-)
User: karen | Month: 2 | Day: 22
Message: what are u talking about
User: Flame | Month: 2 | Day: 22
Message:
Flame
Smokey the Bear
heads
into the autumn woods
with a red can of gasoline
and a box of
wooden matches.
His ranger's hat is cocked
at a disturbing angle.
His brown fur gleams
under the high sun
as his paws, the size
of
catcher's mitts,
crackle into the distance.
He is sick of dispensing
warnings to the careless,
the half-wit
camper,
the dumbbell hiker.
He is going to show them
how a professional does it.
Billy Collins
User: karen | Month: 2 | Day: 22
Message: I'll ride with you
User: t again... | Month: 2 | Day: 22
Message: It was a *Republican* controlled congress that relaxed the regulations that allowed Clear Channel to gain it's monopoly.
If it looks like shit and it smells like shit, then it probably is Republican socio-economic undermining of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for profit and power.
I'll go see Steely Dan in a barn if it means they don't have to play a Clear Channel owned venue.
Who's riding with me?
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 22
Message: ¦ - Where's the freedom of speech when Clear channel has a virtual monopoly on the commercial airwaves across the country, and can boycott an artist - in this case the Dixie Chicks - when they say something against the conservative party line? If you believe Clear Channel doesn't have ties to the Bush administration, you need to check out that article in Rolling Stone that Jimbo posted about in post 2110. To quote:
"Lowry Mays - Owner of Clear Channel, and a buddy of the Bush family."
Clear Channel has been accused, amoung other things, of denying artists airplay if they don't agree to perform at a Clear Channel owned venue.
Now how are you going to feel when Steely Dan gets no airplay? You think Fall of '92 or anything else will make the Clear Channel playlist if the Dixie Chicks are getting banned? Pearl Jam sure didn't get a lot of airplay with their latest cd. Wonder if the song "Bushleaguer" had anything to do with that. Actually, I don't wonder at all. It's obvious. There's also a very strong Pretenders album out, but you'd never know it to listen to commercial radio. Chrissy Hynde has been very outspoken against the Bush regime. The list goes on, meanwhile the slump in music sales is blamed on people downloading music. Bullshit! If people didn't have the internet they would have no idea new music was even being made. Unless you make a nice, safe album, ala Norah Jones.
Now Clear Channel is sponsoring pro-Bush rallys while their right-wing talk show hosts spout republican propaganda. Sounds a lot like the Nazi controlled radio and the Nazi party sponsored rallys from Prescott Bush's favorite clients.
--------------------------------------------------
Prescott Bush
The Bush family came by their wealth on the backs of 11
million dead.
Prescott Bush, along with partner E. Ronald
Harriman, supplied financial aid
and raw materials to Hitler's
Third Reich.
In 1942, Bush/Harriman companies were seized under the
Trading with the
Enemy Act: the Union Banking Corporation,
the Holland-American Trading
Corporation, the Seamless
Steel Equipment Corporation and
Silesian-American
Corporation.
-----------------------------------------------------
So yeah, I think true freedom of speech is dying fast in this country.
Welcome to the Fascist States of America.
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 22
Message: t - it's ALL free speech, not just the side one agrees with. In fact, the protection of the side one disagrees with is just as or more important. All political speech including pro or anti-US or crushing CDs is protected as long as government $ is not involved.
User: Turn Up The Dixie Chicks! | Month: 2 | Day: 22
Message:
Dixie Chicks (and Freedom of Speech) In Hot Water
Questions about the freedom of speech are spreading across the
country
as a result of a comment made by the lead singer of the Dixie
Chicks, Natalie
Maines. According to State Rep. Catherine Ceips,
Maines "told an audience at
a London show that she was ashamed"
that President Bush "was from Texas, the
group's home state."
The backlash has been unsettling; in what seems to
be an attempt
to curb free speech, State Rep. Catherine Ceips wants the
Dixie
Chicks "to apologize" to South Carolina military families
for
anti-Bush sentiments expressed by the lead singer in London.
Ceips
plans to introduce a resolution in the House to condemn
comments by Dixie's
lead singer Ceips said if the resolution "wins
House approval," she'll "send
the resolution to the Dixie Chicks."
What has happened to America, that
we cannot exercise our civil
liberties and speak out when we disagree with
our government?
A petition was launched targeting the Dixie Chicks in
support
of their freedom of speech, as well as to express concerns to
Rep.
Ceips about her willingness to undermine the principles
on which the United
States of America was founded.
View and/or sign the petition here:
http://www.care2.com/go/z/4926
User: Turn Off Your Radio! | Month: 2 | Day: 22
Message:
Media Giant's Rally Sponsorship Raises Questions
By Tim Jones/Chicago Tribune
Some of the biggest rallies this month have endorsed President
Bush's
strategy against Saddam Hussein, and the common thread linking
most
of them is Clear Channel Worldwide Inc., the nation's largest
owner
of radio stations.
In a move that has raised eyebrows in some legal and journalistic
circles,
Clear Channel radio stations in Atlanta, Cleveland, San
Antonio, Cincinnati
and other cities have sponsored rallies attended
by up to 20,000 people. The
events have served as a loud rebuttal to
the more numerous but generally
smaller anti-war rallies.
The sponsorship of large rallies by Clear Channel stations is unique
among
major media companies, which have confined their activities in
the war debate
to reporting and occasionally commenting on the news.
The San Antonio-based
broadcaster owns more than 1,200 stations in 50
states and the District of
Columbia.
While labor unions and special interest groups have organized and
hosted
rallies for decades, the involvement of a big publicly
regulated broadcasting
company breaks new ground in public
demonstrations.
"I think this is pretty extraordinary," said former Federal
Communications
Commissioner Glen Robinson, who teaches law at the
University of Virginia. "I
can't say that this violates any of a
broadcaster's obligations, but it
sounds like borderline
manufacturing of the news."
A spokeswoman for Clear Channel said the rallies, called "Rally
for
America," are the idea of Glenn Beck, a Philadelphia talk show
host
whose program is syndicated by Premier Radio Networks, a
Clear
Channel subsidiary.
`Just patriotic rallies'
A weekend rally in Atlanta drew an estimated 20,000 people, with
some
carrying signs reading "God Bless the USA" and other signs
condemning
France and the group Dixie Chicks, one of whose members
recently
criticized President Bush.
"They're not intended to be pro-military. It's more of a thank you to
the
troops. They're just patriotic rallies," said Clear Channel
spokeswoman Lisa
Dollinger.
Rallies sponsored by Clear Channel radio stations are scheduled for
this
weekend in Sacramento, Charleston, S.C., and Richmond, Va.
Although Clear
Channel promoted two of the recent rallies on its
corporate Web site,
Dollinger said there is no corporate directive
that stations organize
rallies.
"Any rallies that our stations have been a part of have been of their
own
initiative and in response to the expressed desires of their
listeners and
communities," Dollinger said.
Clear Channel is by far the largest owner of radio stations in the
nation.
The company owned only 43 in 1995, but when Congress removed
many of the
ownership limits in 1996, Clear Channel was quickly on
the highway to radio
dominance. The company owns and operates 1,233
radio stations (including six
in Chicago) and claims 100 million
listeners. Clear Channel generated about
20 percent of the radio
industry's $16 billion in 2001 revenues.
Size sparks criticism
The media giant's size also has generated criticism. Some
recording
artists have charged that Clear Channel's dominance in radio
and
concert promotions is hurting the recording industry. Congress
is
investigating the effects of radio consolidation. And the FCC
is
considering ownership rule changes, among them changes that could
allow
Clear Channel to expand its reach.
Sen. Russell Feingold (D-Wis.) has introduced a bill that could
halt
further deregulation in the radio industry and limit each
company's
audience share and percent of advertising dollars. These
measures
could limit Clear Channel's meteoric growth and hinder its
future
profitability.
Jane Kirtley, a professor of media ethics and law at the University
of
Minnesota, said the company's support of the Bush administration's
policy
toward Iraq makes it "hard to escape the concern that this may
in part be
motivated by issues that Clear Channel has before the FCC
and Congress."
Dollinger denied there is a connection between the rallies and
the
company's pending regulatory matters.
Rick Morris, an associate professor of communications at
Northwestern
University, said these actions by Clear Channel stations are
a
logical extension of changes in the radio industry over the last
20
years, including the blurring of lines between journalism
and
entertainment.
From a business perspective, Morris said, the rallies are a natural
fit
for many stations, especially talk-radio stations where hosts
usually espouse
politically conservative views.
"Nobody should be surprised by this," Morris said.
In 1987 the FCC repealed the Fairness Doctrine, which
required
broadcasters to cover controversial issues in their community and
to
do so by offering balancing views. With that obligation gone,
Morris
said, "radio can behave more like newspapers, with opinion pages
and
editorials."
"They've just begun stretching their legs, being more politically
active,"
Morris said.
Copyright ¬ 2003, Chicago Tribune
User: tones | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message: Aus - yes, I caught and thoroughly enjoyed your colour de kCrimson. I was just so wiped out from illness that I couldn't prop myself up long enough to respond. Thanks bro - it really is the next best thing to being there...
Thought I broke the gb when I went to post an insult to Bill last night and the whole damn GB went down. Must've been God's way of saying "it ain't worth it"...
pizza
t
User: CHATTERBOX | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message: THIS IS THE STUPIDEST AND MOST BORING MESSAGEBOARD I
HAVE EVER SEEN. NONE OF YOU EVEN MAKE SENSE.
STEELY DAN? EXCUSE ME WHILE I GO
VOMIT.
User: Hutch | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message: Dan chatter on Soul radio...
http://www.soul24-7.com/mb/3929.htm
Jimbo - Yeah that is odd. I also checked the P-G Pavilion site right after I
found that other listing and found no mention.
We're bound to see some
updates on the ODP soon.
Gina - I'm listening to Michael Langer as I type. Thanks so much. It's a
great album... very calming. And the Paul Mounsey is superb.
Did you ever
listen to Klaus Doldinger and his group Passport years ago? I always liked their
groove.
Thanks again.
Hutch
User: Spring baby...Spring | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message:
you mentioned Bill Frisell..two of his finest and
most recent "Gone just like a train" & "Ghost Town"
played today
Jesse Davis.."the setup"(new)
James Spaulding.."escapade"
Hubert Laws.."the rite of spring"(produced by the great creed taylor)
Ray Charles.."the suns gonna shine again"
Lou Rawls.."room with a view"..cornel dupree/guitar..(written by lowell fulson/billy vera)
Slide Hampton.."spirit of the horn"w/bill watrous(new)
Wayne Shorter.."speak no evil"
Kenny Garrett..standard of language.."native tounge"(new)
Cedar Walton..soul cycle.."sundown express"
Gil scott Heron.."lady day and john coltrane"
Billie Holliday w/mal waldron all-stars cbs tv.."fine and mellow"
Stan Getz/Jimmy Rowles.."i'll never be the same"
David "Fathead" Newman.."don't let the sun catch you cryin"
Junior Wells w/corey harris & alvin youngblood hart.."why are people like that"
Freddy king.."she put the whammy on me"
Bill Frisell..gone just like a train.."look out for hope"
Pat Metheny Group..speaking of now.."as it is"
The Crusaders.."rural renewal"(new)
Stefon Harris..the grand unification theory.."the velvet couch"
Lamont Johnson..nine.."9"
Rickie lee Jones.."trouble man"
Joshua Bayer..lines and grooves.."lines and grooves"
Jackie Mc clean.."mc cleans scene"
Hitch me to your buggy,baby,
drive me like a mule.
Blind Lemon Jefferson
"rabbit foot blues"
bluz
User: I Love Judy | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message: Sing joy and peace, lots of love to behold
and they
say Jesus saves.
But that's not what IÆve found,
When I'm flat on the
ground.
User: Tribute Band (all I care about) | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message: This has got to be Clas' favorite song
take all your overgrown infants away somewhere
and build them a home a
little place of their own
the fletcher memorial
home for incurable tyrants
and kings
and they can appears to themselves every day
on closed circut t.v.
to
make sure their still real
it's the only connection they feel
"ladies and
gentlemen, please welcome reagan and haig
mr. begin and friend mrs. thatcher
and paisley
mr. brezhnev and party
the ghost of mc carthy
and now
adding colour a group of anonymous latin
american meat packing glitterati"
did they expect us to treat them with any respect
they can polish their medals and sharpen their
smails, and amuse
themselves playing games for a while
boom boom, bang bang, lie down your dead
safe in the permanent gaze of a cold glass eye
with their favourite
toys
they'll be good girls and boys
in the fletcher memorial home for
colonial
wasters of life and limb
is everyone in?
are you having a nice time?
now the final solution can
be applied
User: Beerberian | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message: Dunc; Mr Cash Video ... makes ya think sure BUT did you listen to the Plant interview http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/markandlard/feature_plant.shtml THIS rocks !!!
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message: Hutch-
I checked the Post-Gazette Paviolion website. No mention of Steely Dan.
I will check any of the local papers for a mention though.
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message: db- I saw the Johnny Cash video on VH1 a few weeks ago and this puts other music videos to shame. This is what's needed. The emotion and the intensity in both the song and the video. June Carter Cash, his wife must have been either doing a good actiong job or she's really concerned about the state of his health as stated in the video.
Great video.
User: Beerberian Shocked & Awed ...... | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message: W1P/Tribute band; I am Playin' "the final cut" ...
somehow seems right - If ANYTHING can be now !! I've not thought about GOD for a
while but Jesus ! watching that LIVE ! gotta think of How the Fuck do ya feel if
under that with a family ... NOT you're fault is it ? CHOICE is a thing we have
Here in the Western World ... Am I Yellow OR Blue ?
......
User: Paige | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message: SHAME
User: duncan | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message: Hey MC
Finally got myself a new digital
camera...
Konica kd500z 5 megapixel
It's fantastic expect pic's soon !!!
StAl: if the site's so cheap to host why don't you just pay it then ?
beers i'll send cheque
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message: What happened to the idea that we'd post a paragraph or two and a link instead of the whole article?
Just wondering...
I posted this on the Bluebook while this forum was down, but it looks like the California show made it onto Pollstar:
http://www.pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?Content=STEELY&Date_From=Today&Date_To=03-20-2005&By=Artist&PSKey=Y&StartSearch.x=9&StartSearch.y=15
StAl
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message: senscient
User: IsthatIraqonyourforeheadorareyouhappytoseeme? | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message:
That's must be some good Ganja...Gorby, the guy who
brought us extended battle in Afghanistan...and lost and was outplayed and
outwitted when the Pope and Reagan were senscent and Lech Walesa still had a
cool moustache...
Aussie: Amen, brother
This is Why:
"'Saddam Is Done,' Marines Exult in Captured Town
Friday, March 21, 2003
Associated Press.
SAWFAN, IraqáùáU.S. Marines hauled down giant street portraits of Saddam Hussein in a screeching pop of metal and bolts Friday, telling nervous residents of this southern Iraqi town that "Saddam is done."
Milling crowds of men and boys watched as the Marines attached ropes on the front of their Jeeps to one portrait and then backed up, peeling the Iraqi leader's black-and-white metal image off a frame. Some locals briefly joined Maj. David "Bull" Gurfein in a new cheer.
"Iraqis! Iraqis! Iraqis!" Gurfein yelled, pumping his fist in the air.
"We wanted to send a message that Saddam is done," said Gurfein, a New York native in the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force. "People are scared to show a lot of emotion. That's why we wanted to show them this time we're here, and Saddam is done."
The Marines arrived in Safwan, just across the Kuwait border, after Cobra attack helicopters, attack jets, tanks, 155 mm howitzers and sharpshooters cleared the way along Route 80, the main road into Iraq.
Safwan, 375 miles south of Baghdad, is a poor, dirty, wrecked town pocked by shrapnel from the last Gulf war. Iraqi forces in the area sporadically fired mortars and guns for hours Thursday and Friday. Most townspeople hid, although residents brought forth a wounded little girl, her palm bleeding after the new fighting. Another man said his wife was shot in the leg by the Americans.
A few men and boys ventured out, putting makeshift white flags on their pickup trucks or waving white T-shirts out truck windows.
"Americans very good," Ali Khemy said. "Iraq wants to be free."
Some chanted, "Ameriki! Ameriki!"
Many others in the starving town just patted their stomachs and raised their hands, begging for food.
A man identifying himself only as Abdullah welcomed the arrival of the U.S. troops: "Saddam Hussein is no good. Saddam Hussein a butcher."
An old woman shrouded in black -- one of the very few women outside -- knelt toward the feet of Americans, embracing an American woman. A younger man with her pulled her away, giving her a warning sign by sliding his finger across his throat.
In 1991, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died after prematurely celebrating what they believed was their liberation from Saddam after the Gulf War. Some even pulled down a few pictures of Saddam then -- only to be killed by Iraqi forces.
Gurfein playfully traded pats with a disabled man and turned down a dinner invitation from townspeople.
"Friend, friend," he told them in Arabic learned in the first Gulf War.
"We stopped in Kuwait that time," he said. "We were all ready to come up there then, and we never did."
The townspeople seemed grateful this time."
"No Saddam Hussein!" one young man in headscarf told Gurfein. "Bush!"
User: YGK | Month: 2 | Day: 21
Message: Why did we invade Iraq?
http://www.markfiore.com/animation/corrections.swf
enjoy!
ygk
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: Dear St. Alf,
By disarming Iraq WE ARE taking a stand for nuclear disarmament and
arms
control you moron. Quoting Mikail Gorbachev...god you're dumb.
Thank you Aussie,
At least somebody on this board actually cares about the
country.
Unfortunately 90 percent of the other posters don't. But hey we
gotta
start somewhere I guess.
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: That earlier post where I quoted tour information, may
be an old tour year. I can't find a year on the article, but it sounds old.
Carry on....
User: Hutch | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: This is kind of funny. Where DID they get that title for the new one?
http://www.steelydan.com/oldindex3.html
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: St. Al -- That Deniro media clip was hysterical!
It
makes "Under The Grandstands" by Seymour Buttz seem trite by comparison.
I sent an e-mail to the California Mid-State Fair. I got the following response:
"----- Original Message -----
From: Mail - MidStateFair
To: SteveeDan
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: Steely Dan Concert
This is a FIRM booking... Steely Dan will be performing at the California
Mid-State Fair in July. Hope to see you at the concert."
This appears to be the REAL DEAL for the DAN of STEEL(Y).
Paso Robles is near San Luis Obispo, a bit northeast of Morro Bay and a bit southeast of San Simeon (Hearst Castle). This concert could be the jewel in a wonderful "up the California coast" vacation.
SteveeDan
User: one for the boys | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: ''Go Tim Go''
http://www.femail.co.uk/pages/news/iraq/article.html?in_article_id=172742&in_page_id=
User: Aussie | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: Clas: I'd be glad to provide colour, but, of what? Incidentally, to start you off (with Vonnegut), begin with Cat's Cradle then move to Bluebeard. Your sides will hurt from the amount of laughter you will doubtless encounter.
Tones: Did you manage to see my Crimson concert colour posts? Scroll down, down, down...
Godspeed to US, British, Australian, and Spaniard troops (and all other
countries allied with us in Operation Free Iraque). Full faith and credit from
these parts.
The boisterous anti-war demonstrations in Union Square are really getting on my nerves.
Be well everybody,
Aus
User: . | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: http://midstatefair.com/entertainment.htm
Something is starting to cook....
User: db | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: PLEASE EVERYBODY !!!!
STOP what your doing.
Go to
this page
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/markandlard/
WATCH & LISTEN to
the new Johnny Cash Single ''Hurt'' (c/o Trent Reznor)
I Challenge anybody not to be moved by the Words, Music & visuals.
I'm shaking now typing this...
see you there.
db
User: gee | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: if you want to learn something and not be stuffed by Brainwashington, consider getting media information from outside the US. maybe there is something you should know about this legitimate good clean war of mr.bush, mr.rumsfeld and their puppett players. more than you can see on FOX or CNN. if rumsfeld talks of increasing support for their war: that is only for US american ears. everybody else already knows he's lying to ya. look around you. i'm really feeling sad and blue, ashamed for my american relatives and for you!
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: Looks like it might indeed be a June start for the concert tour.
From Bakersfield.com:
"And don't forget about the latest American leg of
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band's tour (Bruce will wrap up things in New
York City in early July). In other reunion news, Steely Dan and Yes are planning
jaunts separately in June and July".
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: A nice quote:
''The United States seems to believe this military action shows its world leadership. But that is its misconception. Real world leadership is to take initiatives in promoting the Kyoto Protocol, nuclear disarmament, and arms control, and solving environmental issues,'' Gorbachev said.
Amen
StAl
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message:
Oleander - Check your e-mail and start watching your
mailbox...
In case anyone might be interested, there's a book (edited by 'Village Voice' writer Greg Tate) entitled 'Everything but the Burden: What White People Are Taking from Black Culture,' which includes a chapter on Steely Dan. The book is essentially a series of interviews and essays, with the chapter on Steely Dan being an interview between Tate and Vernon Reid of the band Living Color. Reid's admiration of Steely Dan is apparent, and he basically explains how much of Steely Dan's music and lyrics pay tribute to or parallel African-American culture and perspectives. Interesting reading-
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: Beerberian | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: Pat; what have we come to? The bluebook just erased my haiku ... some freeworld huh ?
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: DB: Why yes it is...
http://mail.seattlelighting.com/software/denirosnl.asf
User: Beerberian | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: in the dark of war
think on the release of
all
some die to free them
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: Is this about dead Americans now?
---
Aussie - yeah, I was recommended by the other hardtime Steely Dan fan in Sweden, Greg, to read Vonneguts "Mother Night", at the time Gaucho was released.
That would explain all the mystery in the Steely Dan lyrics, he said.
I read the book (in English) and I didn't get it. I called him, he said: -Read it again.
I read it again, didn't get it, called him, and...
Oh shit, what time is it? I'm running late. I'm having a Masturbating Class in about five minutes, got to go, I don't want them to begin before I come.
User: CNN | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: March 13, 2003.
Today it was reported that severe
earthquakes have occurred in 10 different locations in France. The severity was
measured in excess of 10 on the Richter Scale. The cause was the 56,681 dead
American soldiers buried in French soil rolling over in
their
graves.
According to the American Battle Monuments Commission there
are
26,255 Yankee dead from World War I buried in 4 cemeteries in France.
There
are 30,426 American dead from World War II buried in 6 cemeteries
in
France.
These 56,681 brave American heroes died in their youth to
liberate a
country which is guilty of shameful unspeakable behavior in the
21st
century. May the United States of America never forget
their
sacrifice as we find ways to forcefully deal with the
Godforsaken
unappreciative, forgetful country of France!
User: C | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: Aussie - give us some colour, please.
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: Military Promises "Huge Numbers" For Gulf War II: The Vengeance
WASHINGTON, DC?At a Pentagon press conference Monday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld touted the military's upcoming Gulf War II: The Vengeance as "even better than the original."
"If you thought the first one was good, just wait until you see the sequel," Rumsfeld said of Gulf War II ...
Rumsfeld said the soon-to-be-unleashed war will feature special effects beyond anything seen in the original.
"Gulf War I was done 11 years ago, and war-making technology has advanced tremendously since then," Rumsfeld said. "From the guns to the planes to the missile-guidance systems, what you'll see in this one puts the original Gulf War to shame."
(full article at: http://www.onion.com/onion3910/gulf_war_2.html)
User: My Fellow Americans | Month: 2 | Day: 20
Message: Remember when you watch CNN, everything they broadcast will first go thru the CNN headquarters in Atlanta.
It's called censorship.
They won't show you pictures of dead civilians, woman and children.
/Clas
User: Clas | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: Fearing Arrest over War Crimes, Israelis Avoid Overseas
Travel
The Israeli government has ordered an urgent assessment of whether its
politicians and soldiers could face arrest and trial for war crimes against the
Palestinian people, while traveling abroad. The move follows a report by the
Israeli justice ministry that singled out Britain, Spain and Belgium as the most
likely to prosecute Israeli officials who breach international law. The Israeli
government fears there is a growing trend towards global justice that could see
Israelis effectively barred from visiting a host of states.
ôWe are building a map of all those countries that might give us a headache,ö
said RaÆanan Gissin, spokesman for the Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon.
User: Paige | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: Paso Robles is about 75 miles north of Santa Barbara....(Where I am). I aint missing this one. It will be my first. Wait...I'll be in Bakersfield by then....Still aint going to miss it. Should I go to the coast first then North...or should I go up the Valley then cross over???? Decisions, decisions.
-Paige
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: Becker WH-A(tta)cked: Does anyone who went to the Gorge concert recall such a delay? - gotta love the mustard image - was it HONEY mustard?
Roy.....uhhhhhhh, the dog farted, actually...
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: Praying for Peace and the Dan album on the street soon, and in that order...I've wondered out loud on this venue for some time whether Islamic fundamental terrorism is not a shared enabling delusion of "world orderists" and the unintended consequences of fantasy nations of the British carved after the World Wars: Iraq, Jordan, and Pakistan.
Lee Harris has a provocative essay on such:
http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/defensewrapper.jsp?PID=1051-350&CID=1051-031103A
Interesting...does he underestimate the yearning for freedom of the majority non-radical elements of Islam in Iran and Iraq?
User: Ran D. Russell | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: Howard,
Thanks much for the websites with bass
transcriptions. They'll do very nicely. Tabs are great and easy, but the bass
musical transcripts amount to the same, and this music is certainly worth a
little extra effort. Still wondering how long it will take for sheet music to be
booked on all the great bass work in the SD catalogue. Plenty of admirers aspire
to learn the work.
-Ran
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: Hutch,
Checked out the site. The Post Gazette
Pavilion is outdoors and is anything but a fairground. Many major artists plaed
there including Dave Matthews, Jimmy Buffett, Janet Jackson, Barenaked
Ladies,etc.
Strange that this news would come out around the same time George Jr., the ex-cheerleader, decides to play cowboy and puts us in a big crisis. I support the troops, but I hope they don't suffer or die for Bush's gain.
Anywho, I live 40 plus miles from Burgettstown,PA where the Post
Gazette
Pavilion is based. It's about ten from Pittsburgh. I've been there
several times: Steely Dan, twice. Dave Matthews, once.
Thanks for the info, I can only hope it's true and that the War is over by the time the tour begins.
Peace to all, we need it.
Jimbo
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: snakie - cool! Hop in! Let's see... north of L.A., south of Bakerfield, towards the coast... um, you'd better bring the map...
ole - got a couple:
right-winged huey
countermoon (illegal in some states...)
User: batl apl | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: There's an old issue of Guitar Player with Jeff Beck on
the cover containing bass tabs for Green Flower Street, New Frontier, and
another cut off of Nightfly. The interview with Anthony Jackson is a highlight
along with a D.F. interview on songwriting.
Oh, look, we're at war.
The
Mid State fair is not the same thing as California's State Fair, people. Paso
Robles is usually 100 degrees farenheit that time of year, so plan accordingly.
I would love to have you all over at my place for a drink or two before, during,
or after the show. I'm on two acres here in Ojai, about 80 miles away from Paso
Robles for those with their self contained technicolor motorhomes!Post if you
wanna party, Ive got the grapefruit wine in the fridge. late.
User: oleander | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: Hey, here's a thread that's bound to be short and perhaps only appreciated by JW Malibu:
Steely Dan skateboard tricks:
1. Nollie downside
User: Hutch | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: A simple search in Google... "state fairs and steely dan" yielded this...
http://www.ohighway.com/
Hit Calendar of Events and then scroll down the upcoming concerts list till
you get to July 2nd.
Don't know if this is a State Fair or not. The venue is
the P-G Pavilion (Post-Gazette Pavilion) in Pittsburgh. Probably just another
shed gig.
So it looks like a summer tour.
Now. Let's see. The California Fair gig is a couple of weeks after the Ohio
one. So that means they're moving west and they've finished the east coast leg
of the tour. So my guess is I'll be seeing the Dan live this June!!!!
But
wait. The cd doesn't come out till June 10th.
Well now I'm totally confused.
Anyway. Live Steely Dan this Summer!
User: way off track | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: Hey people - I know i'm kinda thinkin out loud here buut have any of you ever heard of the "rock am Ring" in Germany? Its a huge heavy metal festival they have in june? shoot me down in flames for asking if you like
User: db | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: Pat
Your link does not work.
was it funny ?
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: the last time ... like then; the ODP and that webdrone were the last to tell us what we already knew. Is that guy really paid???
Buy ANY Bill Evans-record!
L
User: sh | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message:
Tones - LOL! Let's see, so that I can hear the new
(outtake) SD song "Floated and Coated", experience such exotic State Fair
delicacies as funnel cakes, elephant ears and corn dogs, I'll just hop on a
plane to the Bay area and hop in your car for a ride down the coast to the Mid
Cali Fair! Sounds good to me ;-)...do you know the way to Paso Robles?
User: Diplomacy | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: There is NO State Fair Show
User: tones | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: Everyone seems to be surprised and skeptical about the Dan playing a state fair. I thought it was a little strange myself until I talked to a friend about her recent state fair experience, and after sleeping on it I finally realized the reason this event is not only possible but probable. Two words:
funnel cakes
It's quite possible the only reason the Dan would play a dusty, noisy, impersonal grandstand is because there is no other way for them to score funnel cakes. They might even be waving their usual performance fee and just take payment in tasty hot dough floated in hot oil and coated with powdered sugar.
Btw, isn't "Floated and Coated" rumoured to be an outtake from the new one?
It's all about the funnel cakes people.
Who's riding with me?
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: Bill, this ones for you...
http://mail.seattlelighting.com/denirosnl.asf
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: Aja, careful what you're saying, you're sitting on the triangle.
User: NPWA | Month: 2 | Day: 19
Message: I grew up in a company town
And I worked real hard
æ'til that company closed down
They gave my job to another man
On half my
wages in some foreign land
And when I asked how could this be
Any good for
our economy?
I was told nobody cares
So long as they make money when they
sell their shares
Can you hear us? Are you listening?
No power without accountability!
I lost my job, my car and my house
When ten thousand miles away some guy
clicked on a mouse
He didnÆt know me, we never spoke,
He didnÆt ask my
opinion or canvass for my vote
I guess its true, nobody cares
'Til those
petrol bombs come spinning through the air
Gotta find a way to hold them to
account
Before they find a away to snuff our voices out
Can you hear us? Are you listening?
No power without accountability!
The ballot box is no guarantee that we achieve democracy
Our leaders claim
their victory when only half the people have spoken
We have no job security
in this global economy,
Our borders closed to refugees but our markets forced
open
The World Bank says to Mexico,
WeÆll cut you off if you donÆt keep your
taxes low
But they have no right to wield that sword
æCos they take their
orders from the chairman of the board
IMF, WTO,
I hear these words just every place I go
Who are these
people? Who elected them?
And how do I replace them with some of my friends?
Can you hear us? Are you listening?
No power without accountability!
Billy Bragg (2002)
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: During what song?
"...bury that bottle mama..."?
Talk about lyrics interpreting.
User: BECKER ATTACKED! | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: http://www.angelfire.com/wa/mescals/happenin.html
User: oreo | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: Bill's gone? Wonderful news. It takes quite a bit to make someone like Beemer look like a sympathetic figure, but Bill somehow did it.
Good job Bill, even the righties hate you.
Duncan, I love AC/DC.
Oreo out.
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message:
(P.S. To Post #2155: It's just been that kind of
fucking day, o.k.?)
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message:
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User: Aja...................more politics as usual | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: Let's ship George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld (aka "the Axis of Evil") Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, and Kim Il Jong to the Guangdong Province immediately. They can't leave until everything is worked out.
The rest of the world can enjoy this beautiful spring day in peace.
Aja
User: CORE | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: This is a shamless plug - hope you can make it.........
New York City's New Soul Blues & Jazz Trio
CORE NYC
Invites you
to join them in celebrating the release of their debut CD:
"Tryin' to Sort
It All Out"
Thursday, April 3 - 5:30 to 8:30pm
at
CODA
34 East
34th Street between 5th & Madison Ave. NYC
http://www.coda34.com/
No
Cover / No Minimum
Live performance featuring selections from the CD and
special guests.
CORE NYC is: Bill Burtt (bass & vocals) Malcolm Hunter
(keyboards & vocals) and Peter Ray Runnells (drums)
contact@corenyc.com
ygk
User: Q | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: Yee-Hah!!!!!!!!!!!
Go West young man!
Are the Dixie Chicks opening??
Everything Must Go...
User: lp | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: nope gina - as zztop says "black tie"...
clas, stop that...
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: Oh, I forgot... Stevee... The Grateful Dead were inducted in 1994.
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: Bill: I thought you and I understood each other. I meant boob in the most endearing way possible...
SteelyD: Good catch man!
Ole: We have about a half dozen staff members in China right now. Yikes!
Orange: Excellent idea. Problem would arise if we ever hit red or all the way back down to blue. Red would clash with the colors and blue, well, blue is taken...
Let's hope the Iraqi army throws their hands up and run like they did in 91. That would surely save a lot of grief. If you pray, now would be the time.
Peace
StAl
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: Howard - there are two "must's" with Bill Frisell:
Blues Dreams - to my ears by far the best of his albums.
Have a little
faith - by critics .... .
L
User: Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: "And to the tribute band manager: if you're having a position where you can reach, say, 10 000 of people, or 100 000, doesn't that call for some sort of responsibility?"
The "responsibility" is enforced by the "marketplace of ideas" The theory being that permitting free expression of ideas will result in the "good" ideas defeating the "bad" ideas. Assume for the moment that banning the Dixie Chicks is a "bad" idea. The theory holds that the "marketplace" will function to drive people away from Clear Channel media outlets as a result. Whether the theory works is open to debate. But what's the altnernative? Have some type of "body" determine who is engaging in responsible speech and who is not and issue "sanctions" for irresponsible speech (i.e. censor)?
Oh, and how can you minimize my unquestioned status as a tribute band
performer? No one on this planet is better at snorting like a pig or laughing
like a lunatic. "The lunatic is in my band"
User: Howard | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: Roy Scam / stormcloud - thanks for the info on Bill Evans. I've found that album at amazon and added it to my list of CDs to buy next time my credit card gets bored. Looking forward to hearing that.
Also on my "to buy" list: Justin Morell's Steely CD, more Ralph Towner, and some Bill Frisell. Does anyone have particular recommendations for Frisell? I heard some excerpts from a few, and "gone, just like a train" stood out.
Howard
User: Roy.Scam | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: Howard~ I have a Bill Evans Trio CD called, "Everybody Digs Bill Evans" , Riverside OJCCD-068-2 (RLP-1129), which includes "Peace Piece". The entire album was recorded in one day. The remastered version that I have also includes "Some Other Time" which wasn't on the original 1958 collection. The updated liner notes also mention a Milestone collection called '"Peace Piece" and Other Pieces' (M-47024). If you can't locate the recording, let me know. Perhaps I know a guy who knows a guy who might mail you a copy.
Dr Mu~ I enjoyed your haiku. I'm sure it's the first such unit of literature ever dedicated to me. My issue is that, every time canine behaviour is used as a metaphor for human behaviour, it results in dog defamation. You don't endorse the bombing of dogs do you?
The title, "Pixilene" , for some reason, evokes mental images of Cathy Rigby flying through the air impersonating a young boy; or Julia Roberts in her Tinkerbell outfit. I don't believe in omens, but that particular id-gram says to me that it's bound to be a pretty cool song.
I hope we continue the discussion of invading Iraq on this forum. Why? Because, so far I've been dumbfounded and bewildered by every rationale for it that I've heard. I'm beginning to feel stupid. (I know that's a perfect straight line.) Perhaps one of you articulate right wingers, who, nonetheless have enough intelligence to like Steely Dan, can cause it to make some sense.
A Joni Mitchell quote which seems timely today,
"Sitting in a cafe' in
Paris, France,
reading the news, and it sure looks bad.
They never gave
peace a chance.
It was just a dream some of us had."
User: Stormcloud | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: Howard, check outt the Bill Evans album "Everybody Digs Bill Evans" which includes "Peace Piece"
User: Clas | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: A place for Grateful Dead right?
---
What genuinely motivates al-Qaeda to kill and self-destruct? The president says, ôThey hate our freedomsùour freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other,ö which surely is not what has been learned from the captives being held in Guantanamo, or what he is told in his briefings. Why do the communications industry and our elected politicians allow Bush to get away with such nonsense? And how can there ever be peace, and even trust in our leaders, if the American people arenÆt told the truth?
Peter Hoyt, Little Deer Island, Maine
--------------
Dear Mr. Hoyt,
One wishes that those who have taken over our federal government, and hence the world, by means of a Mickey Mouse coup dÆetat, and who have disconnected all the burglar alarms prescribed by the Constitution, which is to say the House and Senate and the Supreme Court and We the People, were truly Christian. But as William Shakespeare told us long ago, ôThe devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.ö
And what remains the best-kept secret from the Second World War, because it is so embarrassing, is that Hitler was a Christian, and that his swastika was a Christian cross made of axes, an apt symbol of a political party for Christians of the working class. And there were simpler, unambiguous crosses on all HitlerÆs tanks and planes.
Again: One wishes, for the sake of the whole planet, that the people in and around the White House nowadays truly mean it when they say, ôForgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us,ö and that they respect as children of God the losers, the nobodies so loved by Jesus in the Beatitudes, in His Sermon on the Mount: the poor in spirit, they that mourn, the meek, the merciful, the peace makers and so on.
But such is obviously not the case. George W. Bush smirks and gloats unmercifully as he boasts of his readiness to loose more than a hundred cruise missiles, what I call ôTimothy McVeighs,ö into the midst of the general population of Iraq, nearly half of whom are children, little boys and girls under the age of 15.
His domestic policies, whose viciousness is peewee in comparison with what he is so eager to do to foreigners who donÆt look like him and talk like him, who donÆt have names like his, nonetheless inflict pain on those Americans of the sort enumerated in the Beatitudes, by depriving them of decent health care and educations, and of food, shelter and clothing when times are bad. It seems quite possible that his opinion of the American people has been formed while watching the Jerry Springer Show, which is Republican propaganda of the most pernicious kind.
But America was certainly hated all around the world long before this coup dÆetat. And we werenÆt hated, as George W. Bush would have it, because of our liberty and justice for all. We are hated because our corporations have been the principal deliverers and imposers of new technologies and economic schemes that have wrecked the self-respect, the cultures of men, women and children in so many other societies.
ItÆs that simple.
What are we to do when confronted by such hatred? Respond to Code Red and run around like chickens with their heads cut off.
Keep in touch,
Kurt Vonnegut
User: Holy Hick Batman | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: Lars- A "State Fair" is a place where bands who at one time could sell out arenas, (but can't anymore) play.
User: Clas | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: Is there anyone out there knowing where I can get in contact with a left handed Violinist?
Twenty, twentyfive, blonde, newly-washed and with her own apartment?
User: Howard | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: Roy Scam - I first heard Bill Evans' "Peace Piece" on the radio a couple of years ago and it blew me away. It's rare that a new track hits me enough on a first listening to make me want to buy it - this was one of those times.
BUT - after searching, I couldn't seem to find an album that had this track. I ended up buying a couple of other Bill Evans albums, which I've also enjoyed, but if you could point me to an album that has "Peace Piece" I'd be very grateful!
Ran D. Russell - there may not be a lot of bass tablature on the web for SD songs, but there *are* quite a few bass transcriptions in standard music notation form. A quick google search reveals:
http://www.dd.chalmers.se/~f96tope/noter.html - has bass transcriptions for Aja, Gaucho, Glamour Profession and Maxine.
http://www.lucaspickford.com/transbass.htm - has bass transcriptions for "Green Flower Street", "New Frontier", "The Nighfly" and others.
Howard
User: Gina | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: Hey LP, did he wear his Bad Sneakers???
Seconding Ole about diseases to be fought instead of well-the-obvious.
Sad
to see what's a priority for those in control, but what else is or rather, isn't
new?
Strange interesting though to see how fast these unknown lethal virusses
etc roam the world, waging their own wars, making casualties in a split sec and
messing up the food chains. Aarrgghh, am not going there :-)
A prayer's not that bad an idea indeed,
G.
User: db | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: bike fun !!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/2859527.stm
User: Bill | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: Yo lighting store employee...,
Your guestbook is a drag. You're a drag. Do the world a favor and
rename
it the "Pat Beemer Leftist Opinion Book". I'm the "resident
boob"?
More like you're the resident boob of the worldwide web brother.
Your greasy spot on the web aint worth visiting anymore.
Bill out.
User: Aussie | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: St. Al: Inre Crimson: too "high brow"? This very criticism has been made many times before but I maintain that this merely a bullshit excuse for lazy audients.
The descriptor, "high brow", would be more apt if it were applied to Robert Fripp, whose overly British persona yields delectable tidbits of reclusive behaviour, slightly spiced with other actions bordering on sheer lunacy. For example, his insistence on no flash photography (or for that matter NO photography allowed at all) during live appearances has resulted, more than once, in sudden stoppage of a show in progress. And hey dude, if you paid your seventy five dollars to see them and some knuclehead managed to sneak in a camera and unilaterally decided to call Fripp's bluff, you are shit outta luck bro. You have to admit, that's a bit severe. In the aftermath of assholes who blatantly ignored the warnings printed on the tiquets and posted conspicuosly around the venue, the band has been known not only to stop a show at the blink of of a flash, but also not to re-start it, walking off into the shadows of darkness and silence!!!!
There are a myriad of other instances where his behaviour towards fans in public has been questionable. But none of this diminish the genius that he IS. Nor does it render the byproduct of his work as "high-brow".
Indeed, much like Steely Dan, Mr. Fripp is exponentially fastidious when deciding which band members will make up whatever incarnation of King Crimson he's up to. There's no doubt that Steely Dan, as personified by messrs. Fagen and Becker match Mr. Fripp's insistence that their musical collaborators be exceptional musicians; that they represent the top of their respective food chain of instument mastery (instrument including vocals too, of course).
Many would therefore also "accuse" or label Steely Dan as "high-brow" yet they managed to get inducted into The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and if my memory serves me correctly, King Crimson has been in the "business" for a bit longer than they (Steely Dan).
No. I respectfully disagree. If a lazy audient were to really listen to a Crimson record, I would bet the ranch that the critique would not include that the music was "too high-brow". For it is not the music that could justly be characterised as such. And for that matter, what on Earth constitutes "high-brow" music in the first place??!!!
High brow behaviour yes. Maybe. But certainly not high brow music. Thinking a bit further and writing about this reminds me of "Amadeus" the Academy Award winning movie based on Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart made some years ago. Upon compleating his masterpiece opera, Die Zauberflotte (The Magic Flute) in German, thereby violating a cardinal rule that all operas be penned in Italian ONLY, Herr Mozart had to contend with less than genuine critiques of his latest work by jealous counterparts who had the ear of the ruling Austrian aristocracy. In perhaps what has to be the most preposterous and illogical assessment of music, the Austrian monarch gave the following reason as to why Die Zauberflotte would not be performed live for the masses, never mind that it was already authored in a taboo language of German: "it has too many notes".
Clearly, the product of either a lazy audient or a jealous one.
Clas: Great stuff on Kurt Vonnegot. My all time favourite, along with Hunter S. Thompson. I'll never forget the fire that swept through Mr. Vonnegut's New York City apartment a few years ago. Thank God he got out alive. Probably the world's funniest guy next to George Carlin.
Tones: Yes. All of those before AC/DC. I will make some phone calls...no worries.
SteelyDoubt: Hmmmm. Veeeeeeeeery interesting.
Happy belated St. Patrick's day to all.
I see we're back to Orange (Homeland Security Advisory System) after Dubya's "Moment of Truth" ultimatum.
"...Strange days indeed! Most peculiar momma! Whoa!" John Lennon, from the "Double Phantasy" album.
Aus
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 18
Message: A 'State Fair'? Whats that? Do they always have cows and sell these wonderful "Fire Brim Ultra Fit Caps"? Looks like a wonderful place to spend some time at. I think I stay for those "Monster Trucks".
But please enlighten me ... What's a State Fair?
L
User: Val Valentino | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Alert system - you mean the FBI Homeland joke of an alert system? forget it. HereÆs the system we use over at World SD Headquarters in Pasa Robles. level one (lowest alert) PINK level two (WHITE) level three GREEN level four YELLOW level five BROWN level six BLACK (highest possible alert). Unlike the bible bumping national system, ours is prescriptive at all levels. Here they are, beginning with the lowest level, PINK
PINK - gather important personal papers (passport, Jah Lion, etc.), relevant manuals (especially Mark Levinson!) and reading materials in readily accessible location; order ônewö GIgi Gryce CD from django.com: put in 45 min each day of work on SD Manifesto; review existing commitments and alliances and revise ruthlessly in favor of short term self interest; clean out Orgone closet ; check all the caves and tunnels; discover hidden meaning of words ôPinot Grigioö continue to memorize ô1,000 Names for your Baby Girlö and ôGirls Gone Wild in the Baltic:Directors Cutö
WHITE - service lawnmower, leaf blower, and auxiliary generator system; visually inspect throttle linkage on speedboat; read ôyahoo news for skimmersö page more carefully, looking for signs of recent activity by LaRouche-Kissinger Group of Seven; listen carefully to ôMulligan Meeets Desmondö; begin taking course of powerful antibiotics; draw lipstick pentagram on F. Skirtt DeNovoÆs belly; make plan with family members about where best to spend the Happy Hour in case of trouble; check tire pressure on Mini. Keep shopping!
GREEN - seal up shrubberies using plastic wrap and duct tape; alert
accountants to go immediately to Configuration J (Domestic); Scan pleroma for
malevolent achetypes, esp. ôSpiderqueen Demonö and ôEvil Ed, the Homey from
Dahomeyö; bury in-progress demos in coffee can out by pepper bush; switch to
special ôKung Lung Jade/Moroccan Mint Mistö mixture for postprandial pick-me-up;
inscribe pentagram on Grant Green CDÆs with green felt tip pen; have tapwater
professionally tested and evaluated for PH, coliform bacteria, dissolved solids
and alcohol content - adjust accordingly.
YELLOW - have handyman check
weatherstripping and raingutters; review starmaps and opto-epctronic data
collection and processing systems; delete SD Manifesto from harddrive; continue
all incantations and offerings, sunrise and midnite too; instruct Drone to
activate dreaded ôPlan Z from Californiaö; keep Ambesol bottle in-pocket at all
times and rub for luck as necessary; gather stratocasters for Final Evaluation
Phase; increase SSRI dosage by factor of 3 and adjust diet and other meds
accordingly; never watch TV news without Donovan ôSunshine Supermanö CD playing
simultaneous. Use of sleep-inducing agents considered at this time. Preparing a
fearless and searching inventory in spare time. Stop payment on checks to N.Y.
Psychotherapeutic Council, Slackert College School of Funsters, SheilaÆs
FreakTique and the Democratic National Committee. DonÆt change your travel
plans!
BROWN - construct medium-size shrine to wargod ôÆsjolliokö in
front yard near barbeque pit; send telegram to Jeff ôSkunkö Baxter, asking for
forgiveness and advice; get new tags for Lexus; advise accountant to go to
ôStatus Seven: Cached Commodities: Pharmaceuticalsö and retrieve assets; check
latch on bathroom window; lay out a fresh pair of cargo pants and a clean shirt.
Make health concerns a priority. Take time to smell the cocoa. Vengeance - take
that too, whenever and wherever. Revisit beloved Chapter 6 of ôWhat Daisy Sawö
as necessary. Remember - ôbenevolence is my armorö
BLACK - Initiate period on meditation and introspection (no more than ten
minutes a day, in a.m. if feasible). Cancel cable service; give gardener the day
off; prepare a light breakfast of complex carbohydrates (Single malt, if
available); triple-check current valuation and disposition of ôStatus Seven:
Cached Commodities: Pharmaceuticalsö assets; move statue of Louie Armstrong out
of the path of direct sunlight or breaking glass. discontinue SSRIÆs and move
into ôCommando Modeö regimen for duration; ask Soo Nam to air out house in case
of Airborne Toxic Event; check mailbox one last time for that Gigi Gryce CD;
pick a strat (blue one, maybe?) and head for the bunker
and thatÆs all she wrote...fuggedabout the feds, Al will pick the color and change the page according to when he gets that oogie feeling, how strong, for how long, etc. Right, Al? V
User: C | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: This is an interview with my aging hero, Kurt Vonnegut, it's from the URL above, listen:
In November, Kurt Vonnegut turned 80. He published his first novel, Player Piano, in 1952 at the age of 29. Since then he has written 13 others, including Slaughterhouse Five, which stands as one of the pre-eminent anti-war novels of the 20th century.
As war against Iraq looms, I asked Vonnegut, a reader and supporter of this magazine, to weigh in. Vonnegut is an American socialist in the tradition of Eugene Victor Debs, a fellow Hoosier whom he likes to quote: ôAs long as there is a lower class, I am in it. As long as there is a criminal element, I am of it. As long as there is a soul in prison, I am not free.ö
Joel Bleifuss:
You have lived through World War II, Korea, Vietnam, the Reagan wars, Desert Storm, the Balkan wars and now this coming war in Iraq. What has changed, and what has remained the same?
Vonnegut.
One thing which has not changed is that none of us, no matter what continent or island or ice cap, asked to be born in the first place, and that even somebody as old as I am, which is 80, only just got here. There were already all these games going on when I got here. à An apt motto for any polity anywhere, to put on its state seal or currency or whatever, might be this quotation from the late baseball manager Casey Stengel, who was addressing a team of losing professional athletes: ôCanÆt anybody here play this game?ö
My daughter Lily, for an example close to home, who has just turned 20, finds herselfùas does George W. Bush, himself a kidùan heir to a shockingly recent history of human slavery, to an AIDS epidemic and to nuclear submarines slumbering on the floors of fjords in Iceland and elsewhere, crews prepared at a momentÆs notice to turn industrial quantities of men, women and children into radioactive soot and bone meal by means of rockets and H-bomb warheads. And to the choice between liberalism or conservatism and on and on.
What is radically new in 2003 is that my daughter, along with our president and Saddam Hussein and on and on, has inherited technologies whose byproducts, whether in war or peace, are rapidly destroying the whole planet as a breathable, drinkable system for supporting life of any kind. Human beings, past and present, have trashed the joint.
Beifuss: Based on what youÆve read and seen in the media, what is not being said in the mainstream press about President BushÆs policies and the impending war in Iraq?
Vonnegut: That they are nonsense.
B: My feeling from talking to readers and friends is that many people are beginning to despair. Do you think that weÆve lost reason to hope?
V: I myself feel that our country, for whose Constitution I fought in a just war, might as well have been invaded by Martians and body snatchers. Sometimes I wish it had been. What has happened, though, is that it has been taken over by means of the sleaziest, low-comedy, Keystone Cops-style coup dÆetat imaginable. And those now in charge of the federal government are upper-crust C-students who know no history or geography, plus not-so-closeted white supremacists, aka ôChristians,ö and plus, most frighteningly, psychopathic personalities, or ôPPs.ö
To say somebody is a PP is to make a perfectly respectable medical diagnosis, like saying he or she has appendicitis or athleteÆs foot. The classic medical text on PPs is The Mask of Sanity by Dr. Hervey Cleckley. Read it! PPs are presentable, they know full well the suffering their actions may cause others, but they do not care. They cannot care because they are nuts. They have a screw loose!
And what syndrome better describes so many executives at Enron and WorldCom and on and on, who have enriched themselves while ruining their employees and investors and country, and who still feel as pure as the driven snow, no matter what anybody may say to or about them? And so many of these heartless PPs now hold big jobs in our federal government, as though they were leaders instead of sick.
What has allowed so many PPs to rise so high in corporations, and now in government, is that they are so decisive. Unlike normal people, they are never filled with doubts, for the simple reason that they cannot care what happens next. Simply canÆt. Do this! Do that! Mobilize the reserves! Privatize the public schools! Attack Iraq! Cut health care! Tap everybodyÆs telephone! Cut taxes on the rich! Build a trillion-dollar missile shield! Fuck habeas corpus and the Sierra Club and In These Times, and kiss my ass!
B: How have you gotten involved in the anti-war movement? And how would you compare the movement against a war in Iraq with the anti-war movement of the Vietnam era?
V: When it became obvious what a dumb and cruel and spiritually and financially and militarily ruinous mistake our war in Vietnam was, every artist worth a damn in this country, every serious writer, painter, stand-up comedian, musician, actor and actress, you name it, came out against the thing. We formed what might be described as a laser beam of protest, with everybody aimed in the same direction, focused and intense. This weapon proved to have the power of a banana-cream pie three feet in diameter when dropped from a stepladder five-feet high.
And so it is with anti-war protests in the present day. Then as now, TV did not like anti-war protesters, nor any other sort of protesters, unless they rioted. Now, as then, on account of TV, the right of citizens to peaceably assemble, and petition their government for a redress of grievances, ôainÆt worth a pitcher of warm spit,ö as the saying goes.
B: As a writer and artist, have you noticed any difference between how the cultural leaders of the past and the cultural leaders of today view their responsibility to society?
V: Responsibility to which society? To Nazi Germany? To the Stalinist Soviet Union? What about responsibility to humanity in general? And leaders in what particular cultural activity? I guess you mean the fine arts. I hope you mean the fine arts. ... Anybody practicing the fine art of composing music, no matter how cynical or greedy or scared, still canÆt help serving all humanity. Music makes practically everybody fonder of life than he or she would be without it. Even military bands, although I am a pacifist, always cheer me up.
But that is the power of ear candy. The creation of such a universal confection for the eye, by means of printed poetry or fiction or history or essays or memoirs and so on, isnÆt possible. Literature is by definition opinionated. It is bound to provoke the arguments in many quarters, not excluding the hometown or even the family of the author. Any ink-on-paper author can only hope at best to seem responsible to small groups or like-minded people somewhere. He or she might as well have given an interview to the editor of a small-circulation publication.
Maybe we can talk about the responsibilities to their societies of architects and sculptors and painters another time. And I will say this: TV drama, although not yet classified as fine art, has on occasion performed marvelous services for Americans who want us to be less paranoid, to be fairer and more merciful. M.A.S.H. and Law and Order, to name only two shows, have been stunning masterpieces in that regard.
B: That said, do you have any ideas for a really scary reality TV show?
V: ôC students from Yale.ö It would stand your hair on end.
B: What targets would you consider fair game for a satirist today?
V: Assholes.
Joel Bleifuss
User: tones | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: StEvEEdan - the Dead are in, though Garcia showed his usual good taste regarding such matters and didn't show up...
steelydoubt -- kiss your mom for us...
Gotta get the car in shape for the Cali tour... July will be here before we know it...
Who's riding with me?
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: I just read Steelydoubt's post about the Steely Dan concert at the Mid State Fair. This does seem rather preposterous. Can someone try to get more verification as to the validity of this event?
Remember, this might just be a red herring to get more people from less than proximate locations to come to see the fair ... "last minute announcement: Steely Dan has been cancelled ... but we've got a great local band here to sing "Afternoon Delight" ... etc., etc."
Somebody/Anybody?
SteveeDan
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: On The Rock 'N' Roll Hall of Fame topic:
"High-brow" really sums it up doesn't it? Who does Jann Wenner and all of his Rolling Stone employees really like right now? How can then attempt to lend more credibility to their marginally relevant magazine? They can host the RNR Hall of Fame event with VH-1 co-promoting it with them?
I agree that one of the criteria for being eligible for induction into the Hall of Fame should be the historical relevance and effect that the band/artist in question had upon the music industry and the public at large.
I was never that heavy into punk rock, but there can be no doubt that the Sex Pistols were one of the most important and influential bands. They practically spawned a genre. I too agree that bands like Traffic (Steve Winwood), Yes, King Crimson, Genesis, maybe even Emerson Lake & Palmer should be inducted before a band like AC/DC.
There must be a degree of "mainstreaming" involved with shows like this. Otherwise, we might someday see bands like Nektar, Osric Tentacles, Kansas (think of their less accessable material), String Cheese Incident (although they haven't been around that long yet) ... you get the idea ... being inducted to an institution which the public at large cannot relate to.
Hey! What about the Grateful Dead? Have they been inducted yet? (Or have they?)
The point that I would like to raise here is:
Is the RNR HOF a popularity contest or does it give a nod to what is legitimately and historically significant in the development of modern music?
SteveeDan
User: Ran D. Russell | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Danners,
As a bassist and admirer of Becker's
beautiful work with four strings,
I'd like to see BASS TAB's of all his work.
So far, only guitar, voice, and piano are showing up in searches.
If you know
where BASS TABLATURE exists for any or all of the
Steel D. catalogue, please
let me know.
Thanks for any help.
-Ran D. Russell
User: Orange | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: With all the war discssion on this chat book, I had an idea. StAl should change the color of the GB to to match the homestead security alert level. So we've gone from the yellow book to the orange book today! Get it? How about it, St Al.
User: fiferoni | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: whoohoo great news steely whoohoo
User: Yes! | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Great news!
Here we come to the Gorge!
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: steelydoubt - DUUUUUUUUUUDE!
User: steelydoubt | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: i hope not
User: oleander | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Steelydoubt--WHAT???? IS THIS A HOAX????
User: oleander | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Ah, Roy.Scam, lovely. That is indeed one of the most beautiful tunes around, but it sounds mournful tonight.
St. Al--I'm quite worried about SARS, Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, for lack of a better term. It seems to have begun in Feb. in China, where they've had a few hundred cases. There have been additional cases in Viet Nam, Singapore, Hong Kong, Thailand, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Canada, and some deaths. Symptoms include fever, shortness of breath, cough--signs of pneumonia. Some people are ending up on ventilators, and it doesn't respond to antibiotics or antivirals. The problem is that even with sophisticated microbiological technology, nobody has been able to figure out so far what's causing it. It's not bacterial, and no virus has been identified either. It doesn't seem to be a variant of flu. Spread seems to be among close and fairly prolonged contacts, like health care workers, and though it's spreading, it's not like wildfire. I don't know if I'd change anything, except I'd think twice before travelling to Guangdong Province in China, or Hanoi, or Hong Kong. Keep your ears peeled; I don't think we've heard the last of this.
Can't they see that this is the kind of war we should be fighting--against new or known epidemic diseases?
User: steelydoubt | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: http://midstatefair.com/steely.htm
SH*T
User: steelydoubt | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: my mom just said the sd was gona play the mid state fair.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
User: Roy.Scam | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: In 1958, piano legend Bill Evans was arranging the Bernstein song, "Some Other Time" and came up with a simple but painfully beautiful piano intro. He liked the intro so much that he expanded it into a six minute improvizational opus that he called "Peace Piece". It's one of the finest unnaccompanied piano numbers I've ever heard, and, corny as it seems, it really does sound like a plea for peace. As I was listening to it today with my 20 year old son, it occured to me that this may possibly be the last day of peace for some time. Internally, I made one of those sad, impossible wishes that maybe Mr. Evans could work his magic posthumously, one more time.
Happy St. Pat's Day (Is Pat really a saint?),
RS
User: fiferoni | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Ah the masses are out this eve downing pints and singing irish songs. My favorite is of course lemon-U2, kinda sad really i could go to the cliched or pick something original. If you every get the chance see ireland it truly is the emerald isle, its pastures green and lush. so have a happy st.Paddy's day and don't drink green beer it will give you the trots.
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: 'nother question:
no Van Halen? First album released the same year as Outlandos d'Amour...
Somebody call the HoF...
User: Floridavid | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: My friend Michelle sent me this today. Gave me a chuckle.
Inspection team my butt.... send in my mother
> >Have you noticed
anything fishy about the inspection teams who have >arrived in Iraq? They're
all men! > >How in the name of the United Nations does anyone expect men
to find >Saddam's stash? We all know that men have a blind spot when it comes
to >finding things. For crying' out loud! Men can't find the dirty clothes
hamper. >Men can't find the jar of jelly until it falls out of the cupboard
and splatters on the floor.... and these are the people we have sent into Iraq
to search for hidden weapons of mass destruction? > >I keep wondering why
groups of mothers weren't sent in. Mothers can >sniff out secrets quicker
than a drug dog can find a gram of dope. Mothers >can find gin bottles that
dads have stashed in the attic beneath the >rafters. They can sniff out a
diary two rooms and one floor away. They can tell >when the lid of a cookie
jar has been disturbed and notice when a quarter >inch slice has been shaved
off a chocolate cake. > >A mother can smell alcohol on your breath before
you get your key in >the front door and can smell cigarette smoke from a
block away. By >examining laundry, a mother knows more about their kids than
Sherlock >Holmes. And if a mother wants an answer to question, she can read
an >offender's eyes quicker than a homicide detective. > >So...
considering the value a mother could bring to an inspection team, >why are we
sending a bunch of old men who will rely on electronic equipment >to scout
out hidden threats? > >My mother would walk in with a wooden soup spoon in
one hand, grab >Saddam by the ear, give it a good twist and snap, "Young man,
do you >have any weapons of mass destruction?" And God help him if he tried
to >lie to her. She'd march him down the street to some secret bunker and
>shove his nose into a nuclear bomb and say, "Uh, huh, and what do you
>call this, mister?" Whap! Thump! Whap! Whap! Whap! And she'd l! ay some
>stripes across his bare bottom with that soup spoon, then march him home
>in front of the whole of Baghdad. He'd not only come clean and apologize
>for lying about it, he'd cut every lawn in Baghdad for free for the
>whole damn summer. > >Inspectors my butt... You want the job done?
Call my mother
User: sh | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message:
well all i could say was ouch... ;-)
User: ThisOnesForMu | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: and Bill:
Hey bartender over here
Two more shots and two more beers
Sir, turn up
the TV sound
The war has started on the ground
Just love those laser
guided bombs
They're really great for righting wrongs
You hit the target
and win the game From bars 3,000 miles away
3,000 miles away
We play the
game
With the bravery of being out of range
We zap and maim
With the
bravery of being out of range
User: t | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Ok... big brother is definitely listening...
The Sony rep just brought me an AC/DC sampler. Too weird... and yep, it has both songs on it, twice each...
St.Al - I understand AC/DC's popularity (cause hey, almost everybody likes beer, right?), but to induct them and snub the Pistols (who should be in solely for historical significance) doesn't make sense to me...
King Crimson, Yes, and Genesis started a whole new genre of rock music, so they should be there imho.
snakie - thanks for backing me up on this... I won't even pinch ya for not wearing green... though I might just pinch ya for the hell of it ;-)
t
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: DB: I think oreo was referring to Bill, our resident boob, for his comments a few posts earlier.
Tones: I think the HOF is all about popularity. AC/DC has it in spades, whereas King Crimson is far too high-brow for most audiences. Besides, the early Bon Scott stuff RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROCKED!
But you're right -- the fast song and the not so fast song...:)
StAl
User: db | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: oreo:
you have me mixed up with someone else, I
really do like AC/DC.
Did i ever tell you about Angus Youngs 30th birthday
party, It was on Hayman Island.....................nsw
or about meeting Brian
backstage at an Ozzy Gig...................
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: In the new issue of Rolling Stone magazine, page 22, there is an excellent article entitled,"Why Radio Sucks." written by Jenny Eliscu.
It lists the five reasons why:
1.BIG COMPANIES ARE GETTING BIGGER
2.LEGAL PAYOLA
3.ARTISTS GET
BULLIED
4.LOCAL DJS ARE DISAPPEARING
5.THERE'S NOT ENOUGH NEW MUSIC
Clear Channel owns 1200 stations nationwide and is suspect in what's wrong
with radio. the owner has a Bush connection which explains why
the Dixie
Chicks are getting screwed by the corporate machine.
It even lists Heroes and Villains:
Hero: Russ Feingold-Trying to pass a
bill eliminating the 1996 Telecom Act
Villain: Michael Powell - prmoting more
monopoly. Head of the FCC and son of some maniac named Colin. Hell, I'm more
blacker than him or Michael Jackson judging by the photo in the magazine. I
guess neopotism rules in the Bush Administration after all.
READ IT! IT'S VERY IMPORTANT!
User: oreo | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: shut up, Bill.
User: db | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Hey I like AC/DC !!!
what's a wall of fame look like
?
User: snakehips | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message:
blarney t - i'm feelin' ya babe! i didn't understand
the AC/DC induction either...especially if a band like Traffic isn't in there
yet...sheesh! everybody go listen to "You Shook Me All Night Long" and then "Low
Spark of High Heeled Boys"...
and i thought the Police sounded great - even if i don't know what "Roxanne in dub" means...lol
i didn't wear green today...but i've got really cute red shoes on ;-)
peace (i'm in denial)
User: blarney tones | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Happy St. Al's... uh... St. Pat's day everyone...
Hey, about the Hall of Fame thingie... I'm about to jump head first into the pool of unpopularity here, but what the fuck is AC/DC doing in the HoF? I mean, they're ok for a band that's been playing the *same song* for 25 years! Ok, I'm exaggerating, they have 2, the fast one, and the not so fast one... And how apropos that Steven Tyler inducted them, because Aerosmith shouldn't be in the HoF either!!
No Sex Pistols???
No Yes?
No King Crimson?
No Traffic?
But AC/DC?
Bullshit! Have another quaylude...
"Roxanne" in dub was great though...
Anybody feelin' me out there?
t
User: Dixie Dick | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: You were dumbfounded by the cynics on the Hill
And
how he taught you your own neighbors they could kill
He slashed your taxes
so you saddle up your "Bill"
With a pun
With a pun
You will see that
you are just as lame
Didn't you kill the yellow man?
Nuke a piece of
Japan?
All bleedin' liars and deranged
When you're bored of playin' the fool
Then you'll see all the Western
motives
Slowly evolve and prove you wrong
You side with the Bushes!
Murderin' man!
With Router at hand
I understood your bombs will soon be hitting down
Don't try and tell me
what you'll find there underground
Just wear your gaz mask everytime you come
around
With a pun...
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: You're wasting your breath Mu.
Pat and Clas know they're wrong on this subject but admitting that
would
be a sign of individualistic enlightenment on thier part. And as we
know,
enlightened individualistic thought is not exactly a mainstay of
the
leftist political platform. If you don't believe that then just
attempt
to exercise your right to free speech on any college campus these
days
and see what happens. Is it any wonder that the University of
Southern
Florida was protecting one of it's professors who was known to
have
funneled large sums of money to radical islamic terrorists cells?
Pat and Clas are relics of the past. If anyone should be pissed off
over
9/11/01 it should be them. Not only did the terrorists kill 3000
New
Yorkers, they also killed the leftist political platform that Pat
and
Clas hold so dear.
But they seem to know music pretty well so all is not lost right?
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: St. Al: I missed it??????? Gonna have to check back a few days and find it. Oh and Steve, I like St. Al, too. :-)
I just finished an exhausting 743 page book called "The Kennedy Men". The author used new material that Kennedy's secretary recently gave to the JFK Library. Not a flattering book, by any means, but the comment that stuck with me the most was regarding the Bay of Pigs invasion. Kennedy was asking for opinions from both the Military and his other advisors. Basically trying to find the best route to go. He was not convinced an invasion was the answer, but found out that once the Military begins its race to action, it is almost impossible to stop it. I believe that is exactly where we are now, folks. Sorry to say and God help us all.
I did watch the Police play and it was interesting, but as with all recordings made off of VH1, I lost the last half of the 2nd song. They obviously don't care about top of the hour. :-(
User: lp | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: the exception, randy, to that rule is the 50 years of recording from dave brubeck
sorry, still swooning from my weekend...
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message:
Steely-folk,
I thought it was interesting to see the number of people who were hoping or longing for a reunion of The Police; while having been a considerable fan of the Police during their existence (both I and my band of that period knew ALL of their tunes, note for note), I was always thankful that they went out on top, as opposed to continuing to produce Police-like recordings that were little more than redundant retreads. Aside from the nostalgia of having them reunite, I see little point, and one has to be careful with nostalgia; it's only good in occasional small doses, if at all (as Joe Jackson has recently stated, "much like a recreational drug"). While not being particularly pleased with his recent more commercial work, I do admire Sting's intelligence in knowing when to stop, and to move forward.
Precious few bands that get back together are able to match (let alone exceed) their earlier work; thus one is saddled with a substandard continuation of the legacy. In fact, Steely Dan may be the ONLY band who's recent work matches their earlier efforts, largely due to their considerably high(er) standard. Besides, considering the quality of his work over the last sixteen years, I'd rather have more of Andy Summers' inventive solo musical vision.
"It's time for me to throw away this paper knife / I'm not alone in reaching for a perfect life" - 'Omegaman,' The Police
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Mu: You're missing the point many of us on the "left" are claiming. And since you're so good at trotting out history, here's a prime example:
CIA funded Al Qaeda training. We taught Bin Laden a few tricks. We maintain a military presence in Saudi Arabia and we ended up with 3000 innocent world citizens dead.
When are people going understand that our occupation of Iraq is only going to breed more hate and contentment for US and the democracy we so proudly wear on our sleeves? We cannot force this upon the people of Iraq. It is WRONG and doomed for failure.
This government never learns. Sounds like some of it's citizens don't either.
The question isn't whether our system of democracy is better or worse than Saddam's totalitarian rule -- it most certainly is. But, strong-arm tactics from a few Governments isn't the answer.
StAl
User: C las | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: dr John - UN's saying that 250 000 civilians in Iraq will be killed in this upcoming war.
250 000 people, having the bad taste being born under a dictator. That's quite a punishment, isn't it?
And you are saying that, 30 civilians (?) was killed in Iraq in the Gulf War?
Why do you think that anyone (outside Texas) would believe such nonsens?
Go home and take care of your family now, dr Aspberger.
---
And to the tribute band manager: if you're having a position where you can reach, say, 10 000 of people, or 100 000, doesn't that call for some sort of responsibility?
User: Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Yes, a free world indeed -- the government did not remove the DC's from the airwaves, the station owners exercised their First Amendment rights to express their disagreement with the DCs. The First Amendment operates to allow expression of all manner of inappropriate opinion.
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Yeah, enslaved and tortured people are OK if they're just Arabs - right C
"...because we know the Arabs are a cruel and barbaric people..."
ironic line from
- Lawrence of Arabia
after 'Aurens orders the massacre of retreating Turks...
Frankly, what I've found appalling is the lack of concern for the
1,500,000 dead, and children and civilians currently being tortured and raped by
Saddam...but they they are just Arabs, incapable of Democracies... and I've
heard that kind of crap coming from the left side of the media - reprehensible.
Howard, the point is we've spent BILLIONS of dollars, and rightfully so,
to MINIMIZE civilian casualties, whereas Saddam and the terrorists have killed
over 1,000,000 civilians on purpose...it's quite simple, really. Your military
#s are high since we never went after the Republican Guard and most surrendered
to CBS TV crewman in Gulf War I. My civilian #s are correct. 34 too high, but
again see above.
User: And pretty pale too... | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: ...Aussie, some colour, please!
User: Not Clas... | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: ...but close to the original.
Sure Steeve, would not miss them for the world!
---
Ole! It's getting a little dizzy over here, give us a heartbeat, please?
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: I caught the Rock 'N' Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony last night too. I was surprised that Sir Elton of John used so much profanity, but considering that the majority of artists who were inducted were punkers and AC/DC I guess it was fairly appropriate. Elton's induction speech for Elvis Costello was very entertaining nevertheless.
It was great to see the Police back together for this one performance, but I prefer their more frenetic material ... so that's the way the cookie crumbles.
If I were unlucky enough to be in Iraq today I would opt for a wee swallie
and then proceed to get bombed at the pub ... before the pub gets
bombed.
(Just a little St. Pat's day humor ... hopefully, the war won't start
at all ... one can hope, right?)
Hey everyone (in or near Los Angeles) don't miss Los Angeles based Steely Dan tribute band Doctor Wu on Saturday April 5th at the Knitting Factory in Hollywood, California. Show starts at 7:15. This is a great venue. Come one come all.
SteveeDan
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Angel: Aus already provided color on the HOF ceremonies. Where the hell have you been sister?!?
See Steve -- thick hide is required around here. And I LIKE Angel...
Ole: You got anything to say about this pneumonia problem the CDC seems to be quite alarmed about? Should I be putting a down payment on that 2000 SQ FT bubble?
Finally had a chance to listen to Piano Jazz. Very nice. The band seemed almost effusive compared to previous interviews.
StAl
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Hey Steve, Welcome. You ever drive a Kami? :-)
Word
of advice, don't mention Kenny G over here and no, I don't mind what they named
themselves after. Among other things, you have to have a tough hide to post
here, so where their name comes from, doesn't bother me at all.
Watched the first hour of RRHOF show. What was with the slow mo stuff all
over the place? Hubby wanted to watch the news, so I get the remainder on tape
later.
Hey Aussie, do we get some colour here, or what? :-)
User: lp | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: back from civilization to the not so sunny island...pea soup fog! i hope that means spring is coming...
dave brubeck was overwhelming - he has really slowed down in his speech and his walking pace but when he sits down at the piano, there's no change from the excitement of his releases in the 50's (we purchased his new one and one from 1953 at the college of the pacific, and there's no difference, it's truly amazing) - our seats were on stage at the shakespearean theater, Sanders, facing him at the piano so we could see him directing the band in an exciting manner, like a kid saying to another kid at the top of a sledding mountain "okay, your turn, you're going to love it, this is so great!" - the instruments seemed to be playing themselves, just perfect streaming music, the energy was smooth - he returned to his fun twisted play with tunes we all know, picking the recently remade song by rod stewart "these things remind me of you" and even the campy "show me the way to go home", he starts with the familiar, and then jumps off a diving board into a pool of champagne as he takes us off on a journey of the sound within the familiar, something we had not heard before - he has moved his original writing to a more classical ring, teaming up with the london symphony for a new release this year, very exciting - the audience was so impressed that he still "has it" at 80 years old that we clapped when he breathed into the mike "we're going to take a break now"....hey, take all the time you need, we'll be back, no problem -
dinner beforehand at a pub was great with friends we've known forever - it was so nice
great to be in harvard square one night and the next night back in the woods - now that's cool
happy monday to all - if you pray, this might be a good week for it...
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Howard - rather distasteful, it sure is. Dr Aspberger isn't reliable when it comes to counting Arabs.
I mean, they're just... Arabs.
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: Those poor Iraqi's...yada,yada,yada...those poor Iraqi's...yada,yada,yada.
Yawn...sigh...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
User: Howard | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message:
"who wants to make a guess how many civilians the
coalition accidentally killed in Gulf War I?...Give you a hint. The number is
between 33 and 35"
Of course, a quick google search reveals widely differing figures. I'm no expert on this, but estimates seem to range from "between 33 and 35" to around 13,000. I guess the true figure is somewhere in that range.
I've also seen estimates of around 70,000 civilian deaths after the war, due to the destruction of water and power plants.
Estimates of the number of Iraqi army casualties in the war (that's Iraqis that were deliberately, not accidentally, killed) range from 50,000 to 150,000 - with 100,000 often quoted as a "best guess figure". What proportion of these deaths were unwilling army conscripts (i.e. "former-civilians") ? A very large proportion.
Yes, of course Saddam is to be held largely responsible for forcing these tens of thousands of civilians to join the army, and is the ultimate cause of their deaths, but to say that only around 30 civilians died as a result of the coalition's actions in the last war is, to me, rather distasteful.
Looks like things are all set for round 2 to start in the next day or so anyway. Out of the frying pan...
Howard
User: C | Month: 2 | Day: 17
Message: SteeveDan - Dixie Chicks were in London, saying they were ashamed Bush came from Texas.
And then:
"Dixie Chicks removed from Southern California airwaves for Bashing Bush."
Same thing in Nashville. DJ's told people to burn their tickets, if they had any, to Dixie Chicks shows.
Free world uh?
User: W1P | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: Yeah, those wacky studio encrusted Floyds who toured extensively every year from 1967 to 1977. I've always found the punkers distain for Floyd and The Dan ironic given the wholly anti-establishment stands taken by both bands. They say a lot of things the punkers say -- the only difference being that they also are good musicians. And then there's Declan "EC" (initials reserved for Eric Clapton) -- he had Huey Lewis and the News as his backing band -- the epitome of rebellion.
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: I encourage you all to pick up Spike - which has a great version of Deep Dark Truthful Mirror along with other EC classics like Veronica (with Sir Paul) God's Comic, Satellite, Any King's Shilling, and Tramp the Earth Down...
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: Clearly from tonight's R&RHOF show Bruce Thomas and EC have not gotten along for a long time. DonÆt know what the row was about, but weÆve had chatter re Thomas, SD, and EC that was a result, I think, of the Terry Lawson article about the Clash re: recent Grammy night. In analysis it appears that Mr. Lawson externalized his vitriol against Steely Dan more than EC:
ôàOf the original wave of punk bands, the Clash may not have been the musical best -- head and shoulders above the Sex Pistols, somewhere below the Buzzcocks. But the band was always the truest to punk's original ideals, which was to rescue rock from the studio-encrusted likes of Pink Floyd and Steely Dan.
When Costello was recruiting members for the Attractions -- who, with the Clash and the Police, will represent the first punk inductions in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on Monday night -- he asked bass applicant Bruce Thomas what music he liked. When Thomas said Steely Dan, Costello turned him down on principleàö
http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/lawcol9_20030309.htm
However, the Original interview is from 1978 top of the Pops provides a
more complete context:
ôBASSIST BRUCE Thomas was more of an outsider, though his credentials are arguably the strongest of all Attraction members. A former Quiver then Sutherland Bros / Quiver bassist, be became disillusioned with the Sutherlands connection and split in a none too amicable fashion.
After that came a doomed one-off affiliation, name of Moonrider which got nowhere fast, and plenty of session work. "I've always wanted to be a member of ... y'know ... the group, the greatest band."
He'd heard "Less Than Zero" when the Elvis gig came up via an ad in the trades calling for members of a "pop combo" to apply to Stiff. When he came on the phone, Costello himself asked what other bands Bruce was into. "I replied that I liked **Graham Parker (note: EC opened early in his career for the Rumour û ParkerÆs band) AND a couple of Steely Dan albums.** Elvis immediately said "Forget it." Someone else though, who'd heard of Thomas' reputation persisted and an audition was arranged. Thomas, meanwhile, had secured the "Aim" album and worked out all the songs in advance. That, plus the fact that drummer Pete Thomas had always rated him, clinched it.ö
http://www.elviscostello.info/articles/n/nme.780325a.htm
Whatever. Bruce Thomas made Chelsea and the album This YearÆs Model classics
Another Steely Dan reference from ElvisÆ site. From a passage describing
the making of ôKing of Americaö
Elvis immediately retired to the studio in Los Angeles with T-Bone
Burnett to begin work on the first album since 1977 that would not exclusively
feature the Attractions as ElvisÆ band. The first task was to record solo
versions of the songs as a kind of reference point. The plan was to then record
approximately half the songs with the Attractions and half the songs with line
ups drawn from a kind of "dream team" of American musicians; including such
luminaries as Jim Keltner, T-Bone Wolk, and members of the other ElvisÆ TCB
(Taking Care of Business) stage band including the legendary guitar guru James
Burton. As the sessions progressed and the different lineups tackled the various
songs assigned to them it became increasingly apparent that the Attractions were
not performing up to their usual standard. For one thing, the Attractions were
hurt that they had not been asked to play all the songs, as per usual. However,
T-Bone Burnett had convinced Elvis that although the Attractions were brilliant
musicians, better results could be obtained by picking players who were already
familiar with the styles required, rather than having to learn and adapt as the
Attractions would have done. The other, less obvious point, is that the
Attractions were English and therefore would approach the songs differently than
American musicians. The common music industry prejudice is that English
musicians "start" songs better (ie, more dramatically and excitingly) but
American musicians "finish" songs better (they lock into a groove and build on
it). In the end, the Attractions only played on one song ("Suit of Lights") out
of the sixteen tracks on the finished album. Clearly, something had soured in
the professional relationship between Costello and the Attractions, and it would
be easy to believe that they were now effectively shooting themselves in their
collective feet with their lacklustre studio efforts for this album. The rest of
the album featured various lineups, and not always those originally envisaged by
co-producers Costello and Burnett, who ended up playing a role not dissimilar to
**Donald Fagen and Walter Becker of Steely Dan, who had realised that they could
create any "band" or combination of players they wanted to fit each of their
songs. However, Costello and Burnett managed to make the process sound a little
more organic** than it might have by not relying on overdubs and insisting on
maintaining a live "in the studio" feel. The result is CostelloÆs warmest and
most open sounding album. The relatively laid back feel of the arrangements and
the American musiciansÆ tendency to subtly underplay gave Costello room to move
and he delivered some of his most affecting vocals ever.ö
http://www.elviscostello.info/biography.html
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: SteveE: I don't blame you...
R&RHOF observations
Bobby Hatfield can still sing!!! and how! Too bad about Mr. Medley
AC/DC ARE a better ROCK band than the Clash ever were.
The Clash wrote good angry to interesting songs, with a wide array of styles...Very listenable when young, but I've always wondered whether it was good or bad that the albums through London Calling had lousy engineering...
Elvis' voice is kaput...thanks for the memories - a consumate songwriter!
Police took a minute to get in sync on Roxanne...the extended jazzy break was superb....looked for a moment like they mailed in Every Breath You Take, then Stewart MOAB'ed the snare...that was a shit-eating grin...
OK, guesses on radio single?
Things I Miss the Most
Pixelene
Everything Must Go
The Last Mall
Blues Beach
Godwhacker
Slang of Ages
Green Book
Lunch with Gina
No reason - just leaning towards "Pixelene" which will sound suspicously
like "Tangerine"
User: oleander | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: Hey WJAZ!
Happy birthday! Nice rueful rumination on DB.
Many thanx to Hoops! for the PJ transcript & to Andy et al. for making the show available to all pending its official release (we hope). Remember now, email Ms. MacPartland & friends at pj@scetv.org and ask them to release the show on cd.
User: Dizbustologist | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: Hi there, A newbie but occassional 'lurker'
Obviously one of the drawbacks of any new arrival is posting a topic for discussion which has been done to death over the years already so please bear with me... So is it true Steely Dan really got their name from a dil..... no!! Arrgghhh!
Actually I was just wondering how many of you had heard Jango's 2 CD's especially 'City of the 2nd Chance' from 'Dreamtown' and what you thought of them and the obvious 'Dan references.
My love of SD probably stems from their use of the big tune (chorus of Dr Wu etc) so I love the stuff. Anyone else forgive them for the occassional Kenny G'isms?
Steve
( A Scot.... from about 50 miles from where the Kamakiriad chassis
was built)
User: WJAZ , at 40.... | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: Bill..."oh scuse, boy did not mean to rock..."
thanks
to you all, but beware the ides of March, birthday on the 15th...
time to go
over some special lyrics...
This is the day of the expanding man (expanded from size 36 to 38
pants)
That shape is my shade, there where I used to stand (mostly sit
now...)
It seems like only yesterday I gazed through the glass (now,
contacts...)
At Ramblers, wild gamblers, that's all in the past (little old
bingo ladies in AMC Ramblers, can't hang out with 'em anymore...)
You call me a fool you say it's a crazy scheme (an All Night Wicker Mart,
hey! what's the crazy scheme?)
This one's for real, I already bought the
dream (can you say mortgaged to hell and back?)
So useless to ask me why,
throw a kiss and say goodbye (don't let the screen door hit you on the way
out...is there gas in the car?)
I'll make it this time, I'm ready to cross
that fine line ("ah yes, can you direct me to the Geritol?" I asked the 16 year
old clerk...)
I'll learn to work the saxophone, I'll play just what I feel (I know yo
daddy's a sultan, may I sing your camels to bed?)
Drink Scotch Whiskey all
night long and die behind the wheel (which beats the hell out of spraying Scotch
Gard all night long, but this die part...)
They got a name for the winners in
the world, I want a name when I lose ( sorry, I thought they said 'weiners'
geez, let me come back to this one)
They call Alabama the Crimson Tide, call
me Deacon Blues...(I knew a girl that thought they were saying D-Con Jews...I
didn't call her back for a second date)
that's 'nuff...goodnight..
User: Bill | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: Happy Birthday WJAZ!
Lets see...
Your horoscope says your lucky day is Sunday!
Unfortunately
it also says that your lucky song is "Afternoon Delight".
No wait... actually
it says that "Afternoon Delight" is my lucky song
and your lucky song is
"Good Morning Starshine". Wanna trade?
Here's to you old buddy! You Rock!
(Oops...sorry about the OLD buddy
remark...)
:)
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: Hi St. Al -- I hope Portland was enjoyable, although, I believe you were probably under water for a lot of it ... anyway, thanks for allowing me to be lazy ... Manu Katche ... that's the guy. What a phenominal drummer. I could practically have watched him for the whole show.
Dr. Mu - I think Peter was speaking Italian to the audience, though I am not certain about that. The staging was amazing! I probably already said this in my post about it, but, it really was ... and certainly earns repeating.
Tonight VH-1 is airing the RnR Hall Of Fame and it is being aired on the west coast at 9 PM. I have a conflict with "Alias". Can't miss that show. I guess I will tape one of them ... decisions, decisions.
SteveeDan
User: CHATTERBOX | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: I FORGOT TO MENTION:
I LIKE THE POEM, ESP THE PART
ABOUT THE TAMPAX AND ANTHRAX.
User: CHATTERBOX | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: Some people over here sure like to talk a lot. LOTTA CHATTERBOXES, I MEAN. BUT THAT IS OK.
User: batl apl | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: Well, I guess it bears repeating...
MISTER SADDAM,
EAT QUICHE AND DIE
YOU AND AL QUEDA ARE SOON GONNA FRY
WE'RE PRETTY SURE
THAT YOU'RE NOT A MAMMAL
YOU GIVE AN EXTRA HUMP TO EVERY CAMEL
SADDAM, LET
US INSPECT
WE ARE THE MALLET, AND YOU'RE THE INSECT
PLEASE DON'T STICK TO
OUR SHOE
MISTER SADDAM, DESERT STORM II
MISTER SADDAM, COUNTING YOUR SHEEP
WHEN YOU'RE SHEEPHERDING, SHEEP NEVER
SLEEP
WE KNOW YOU'RE BUSY COLLECTING YOUR ANTHRAX
BUT FOR THE LOVE OF
ALLAH, USE A TAMPAX
SADDAM, PLAYING WITH GERMS
YOU AND YOUR BUDDIES WILL
BE FOOD FOR WORMS
THE COCKROACHES WILL LOVE YOU
MISTER SADDAM, DESERT
STORM II
MISTER SADDAM, HEAD OF A STATE
WE'LL SERVE MANKIND WITH YOUR HEAD ON A
PLATE
THE U.N. MIGHT THINK TO KILL YOU IS TACKY
YOU'LL NEVER LIVE TO KILL
ANOTHER IRAQI
SADDAM, SEE YOU AROUND
THERE AIN'T NO SUNSHINE IN A HOLE IN
THE GROUND
ENJOY YOUR TOMB WITH A VIEW
MISTER SADDAM, DESERT
STORM
SADDAM, DESERT STORM
SADDAM, DESERT STORM II
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME TONIGHT ON VH1
The Police performs. Be there or be Bush.
My alma mater Pitt won the Big East Championship. On to the NCAA Championship. The weather is great and it's a beautiful weekend.
Life is good. Until George Jr and his puppy dog Blair destroy
anything.
Fuck Country Radio. Nothing but illiterates and racists.
Love
the Dixie Chicks
Hell, I like France and their fries ;)
User: Happy Birthday Wanda June | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: Jaz
"Happy Birthday" you ol' fucker"
your the
best"
look for buddy love on the E true holywood story..another sixfeetunder production.
Jaz did you ever see a U-haul behind a hearse?
love ya man"
bluz
User: Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y!!!!!
W J A Z *many hugs and
kisses*
I hope all your Birthday Wishes come true
User: Fingers | Month: 2 | Day: 16
Message: BEERS
Saw Dionne Warwick (wick?, rick? who knows?) on
the Parky show too......what a magic lady....still sooooooo cool and able to
effortlessly raise the hairs on even the most follically challenged
numbskull..goose bump time indeed. As I type this Bass/Coors is being discussed
on R4...history of brews etc etc...!
serendipity dawg.
User: "W" stands for weasel... | Month: 2 | Day: 15
Message: Fake Iraq documents 'embarrassing' for U.S.
From David Ensor
CNN Washington Bureau
Friday, March 14, 2003 Posted:
10:43 PM EST (0343 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Intelligence documents that U.S. and British governments said were strong evidence that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons have been dismissed as forgeries by U.N. weapons inspectors.
The documents, given to International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed El Baradei, indicated that Iraq might have triedto buy 500 tons of uranium from Niger, but the agency said they were "obvious" fakes.
U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell referred to the documents directly in his presentation to the U.N. Security Council outlining the Bush administration's case against Iraq.
"I'm sure the FBI and CIA must be mortified by this because it is extremely embarrassing to them," former CIA official Ray Close said.
Responding to questions about the documents from lawmakers, Powell said, "It was provided in good faith to the inspectors and our agency received it in good faith, not participating ... in any way in any falsification activities."
"It was the information that we had. We provided it. If that information is inaccurate, fine," Powell said on NBC's "Meet the Press" last Sunday.
"We don't believe that all the issues surrounding nuclear weapons have been resolved [in Iraq]," he said.
How were forgeries missed?
But the discovery raises questions such as why the apparent forgeries were given to inspectors and why U.S. and British intelligence agents did not recognize that they were not authentic.
Sources said that one of the documents was a letter discussing the uranium deal supposedly signed by Niger President Tandja Mamadou. The sources described the signature as "childlike" and said that it clearly was not Mamadou's.
Another, written on paper from a 1980s military government in Niger, bears the date of October 2000 and the signature of a man who by then had not been foreign minister of Niger in 14 years, sources said.
"The IAEA has concluded, with the concurrence of outside experts that these documents -- which formed the basis for the reports of recent uranium transactions between Iraq and Niger -- are not in fact authentic," ElBaradei said in his March 7 presentation to the U.N. Security Council.
Close said the CIA should have known better.
"They have tremendously sophisticated and experienced people in their technical services division, who wouldn't allow a forgery like this to get by," Close said. "I mean it's just mystifying to me. I can't understand it."
A U.S. intelligence official said that the documents were passed on to the International Atomic Energy Agency within days of being received with the comment, " 'We don't know the provenance of this information, but here it is.' "
If a mistake was made, a U.S. official suggested, it was more likely due to
incompetence not
malice.
"That's a convenient explanation, but it doesn't satisfy me," Close said. "Incompetence I have not seen in those agencies. I've seen plenty of malice, but I've never seen incompetence."
Who made the forgeries?
But the question remains -- who is responsible for the apparent forgeries?
Experts said the suspects include the intelligence services of Iraq's neighbors, other pro-war nations, Iraqi opposition groups or simply con men.
Most rule out the United States, Great Britain or Israel because they said those countries' intelligence services would have been able to make much more convincing forgeries if they had chosen to do so.
President Bush even highlighted the documents in his State of the Union address on January 28.
"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought
significant quantities
of uranium from Africa," Bush said.
U.S. officials said that the assertion by the president and British government was also based on additional evidence of Iraqi efforts to obtain uranium from another African country. But officials would not say which nation and a knowledgable U.S. official said that there was not much to that evidence either.
User: Beerberian | Month: 2 | Day: 15
Message: Pat; next top 10 suggestion ... best peformance in the role of "Walk on by" I just can't get over losin' you ....... Dionne (Classy Lady)Warwicke was on Parky this eve - brought it all back, I dug out her version , The Stranglers & Isaac (had a fortune and blew it) Hayes ......
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 15
Message: Spent the last 4 days in Portland with almost no opportunity to check on the place. Good to see it didn't blow up.
Mu: Helmet cam, yes. Recorded, no. The camera was attached to Gabriel's head and the playback was projected on the screen behind him. In the video much of this helmet cam playback is the actual image you're watching. Each night it was done live.
Stevee: Manu Katche is the drummer's name and spelling. I can't think of another drummer who's style, rhythm and mechanics represent everything I would aspire to be if I was a drummer. I love watching him. I was very disappointed to see he wasn't part of Gabriel's Growing Up tour last year.
StAl
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 15
Message: SteveE: Secret World Live does sound interesting (is that the one with the "helmet"? - where was it recorded?
(re)learned yesterday when the kids and I visited the Space Center at
NASA fro the day how the Apollo 13 astronauts save themselves from asphyxiation
by devising a CO2 scrubber out of a sock, flight manual cover, hose, plastic bag
and yes, Duct Tape! When I worked in engineering in a hospital, for a while, I
learned how nurses "fix" all mechanical maladies with Surgical Tape...
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 15
Message: Clas - I don't have those 'new' teeth ... but my wife does.
I was at the grocery store today and at the check out stand they have these "news TV" things to look at while you wait your turn in line.
One of the news items read as follows:
"Dixie Chicks removed from Southern California airwaves for Bashing Bush."
I can think of a million dirty jokes to go along with this ...
... I could
sell tickets to this one ...
SheckyDan (No Cover Charge)
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 15
Message: Tom LaRotonda - it sounds great. So close to the original!
User: Tom LaRotonda | Month: 2 | Day: 15
Message:
Fellow Dan fans...
Please go listen to my VERY Dan-esque originals At
http://www.mp3.com/tom_larotonda
Please let me know how I did! So far, reviews from hardcore Dan fans have
been very flattering. I wrote and produced the three posted songs, and also sang
lead vocals and played keyboard parts. Like the Dan, I used some very good
musicians to add the other tracks. Most notably, Elliott
Randall (remember
the screaming solo on Reelin in the Years?) added
guitar tracks to City of
Dreams and Vision.
The posted songs are in essence a trial balloon. I am working on a
complete album with all new tracks, hoping to retain the essence of
the
Dan category, but personalize a bit. "This is for me the essence
of true
romance". Stay tuned!!!
Best regards
Tom LaRotonda
User: Steeve Dan! | Month: 2 | Day: 15
Message: My rich man, my Bel Air Hero, do YOU have those brand new teeth I was talking about below, down... right down under here, do you see it?
User: Ouch! | Month: 2 | Day: 15
Message: My scrolling finger, it hurts!
Did I mention that Jackson Browne is coming to town next week? Opening night with "The Night Inside Me".
Aint that gonna be helluva fun or WHAT? Waddayasay you banjo players and dixie chicks?
Apropos Dixie Chicks, saw them last night on a Swedish talkshow. They look like hookers, but man, they can play! And sing too.
And those teeth they have!
Let me ask you Gringos, is it so over at your place, that when you get a little rich, the first thing you do is buying brand new plastic teeth? Like the whole bunch did in the soap "Dallas"?
Is it expensive going to the dentist over there? Everybody can't afford it, right?
The Free World uh?
C
User: SteveeDon | Month: 2 | Day: 15
Message: Jupiter ... oops.
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 15
Message: Peter Gabriel's "Secret World Live" DVD is spectacular. If you are unsure whether you like him or not ... see this DVD and I am confident that you will become a fan. Not only is the live performance captured in all its splendor, but the visual aspect ... the "performance art" aspect of what Peter Gabriel does is absolutely incredible. The stage set-up is one of the most elaborate I have ever seen. It's got a "Cirque Du Soleil" feel to it. Tony Levin on bass ... as always ... incredible. Shankar on violin ... I believe this is L. Shankar who used to play with John McLaughlin and Z. Husain in the group Shakti ... always a virtuoso, Paula Cole ... provides the right style of backing vocal quality and attitude, I forgot the drummer's name (Matu Kandi ... I know that's not exactly right) ... what an amazing drummer !!!, etc, etc, etc.
They open with "Talk To Me" complete with a red British phone booth ... with a hand-set cord that reaches most of the length of this stage (the stage, from an aeral view resembles the space ship that took Poole and Bowman to Jupitor in Kubrick's 2001 ...).
One of the stand-out selections of the concert was "Digging In The Dirt". Gabriel had a camera mounted on a helmet harness on his head. The camera is trained on Gabriel so close that it distorts his facial features. It is amazing ... strange ... haunting ... alarming ... it accentuates the emotion that he is portraying in this song about one's finding the places where we get hurt emotionally.
Paula Cole sings duet with Peter on "Don't Give Up". It is a sweet, uplifting and profoundly personal performance. It's as if they are singing directly to you, ... not just to a standing room only crowd in a stadium venue.
I have been playing this DVD constantly since I got it 4 days ago. This DVD is a HIT !!! Also, in the Special Features section of the DVD Peter explains the concept behind the staging of this concert and there is also a short subject on the "UP" tour that is currently in progress.
St. Al - you must already have this DVD. I can't imagine that you don't. I know you LOVE IT !!!
SteveeDan
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 15
Message: To tie in what Powell and Blair *have described* and what Bush meant to say
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 15
Message:
LOL Edward Scissorhands - that's right CNN talking
heads have had chips implanted in their brains by the RNC, replacing the empty
space that currently resides there.
No no, that was Kosovo, You know, the one where we bombed the Chinese embassy for being late with the Steamer Heaven takeout order....
...or in 1998 when we shot 450 Tomahawk Cruise missles into Baghdad...
We might just go for... military targets...who wants to make a guess how many civilians the coalition accidentally killed in Gulf War I?...Give you a hint. The number is between 33 and 35. On average Saddam *deliberately* kills (after a bit of torture) 169 Each Day...
To tie in Powell and Blair and what Bush meant to say:
(1) Iraq û an imminent danger
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2002/iraq-020924-usia01.htm
(2) Linking Iraq, Al Qaeda and other terrorists
Iraq trains Al Qaeda and other terrorists:
http://query.nytimes.com/search/article-page.html?res=9B01EED81E39F93BA35752C1A9679C8B63
Saddam killed Abu Nidal over refusal to help Al Qaeda:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2002%2F08%2F25%2Fwnidal25.xml
(3) Saddam is Evil
Saddam û Son of Stalin
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3007499&thesection=news&thesubsection=world
(4) Terrorist training camps in Iraq used for 9/11.
Salman Pak training ground for hijacking airline planes. I remember PBS or CNN first doing a story on this about 1997...no one can learn to fly a 747 training on a Cesna. when you were 16 and first drove yer Dad's Yugo, did ya then drive a 18 wheel Mack truck through Boston?...me neither...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/khodada.html
http://query.nytimes.com/search/article-page.html?res=9B01EED81E39F93BA35752C1A9679C8B63
From: Aviation Week & Space Technology
Headline: Satellite Photos
Believed To Show Airliner for Training Hijackers
Byline: Michael A. Dornheim
Dateline: Los Angeles, January 7, 2002
Satellite images of a facility near Baghdad show an airliner that Iraqi defectors say is used to train terrorists in the art of hijacking.Space Imaging, which operates the Ikonos civilian surveillance satellite, was prompted to look for the aircraft in existing photos after a ''Frontline'' television show interviewed two Iraqi defectors who described the hijacker training and the aircraft used for the mock attacks.
One of them drew a map of the Salman Pak training area, and Space Imaging was able to find the facility and the aircraft in photographs taken on Apr. 25, 2000, of an area about 15 mi. southeast of Baghdad on the Tigris River. The zoomed-in photograph is a close match to the hand-drawn map, lending credence to the defector's story. He is Sabah Khodada, and said he worked at the secret Salman Pak complex for about six months as an administrator. The facility is run by the Iraqi secret service, and is used to teach assassination, kidnapping, hijacking of airplanes, buses and trains and other terrorist operations, Khodada said. ''This camp is specialized in exporting terrorism to the whole world.''
Foreigners were trained separately from Iraqis, both Khodada and the other defector said.The aircraft is sitting by itself far from an airport. ''In this camp, I saw [people] getting trained [in] situations where security will not allow you to get weapons into the plane - then what you need to do is to use...very advanced terrorizing methods,'' Khodada said on the television show.''They are even trained how to use utensils for food, like forks and knives provided in the plane....
They are trained how to plant horror within the passengers by doing such actions. Even pens and pencils can be used for that purpose. They can do it, and they can overcome any plane because they are very well physically trained, and they are very strong. They can overtake a plane in a very efficient manner. ''Training will include the way they would sit in the plane, how they enter the plane.... They will, for example, sit in twos, and they will assign who will sit to the right of the other guy, and who will sit to the other side. Two will sit in the front, two will sit in the back and two will sit, for example, in the middle. They are trained to jump all at one time, and make a declaration that 'We are going to take over the plane. And nobody [move], don't move, don't make any moves.'''
They will probably use a pencil or a pen, or even sunglasses or prescription glasses. Somebody will hold the crew members of the plane from their chins upward tightly, and you will pull it on his neck. He will think you are going to slaughter him and kill him. Including in this training is terrorizing by making very, very loud noises and screaming all over the plane. That will [create] the planned horror, and will terrorize the plane, including the crew.'
"The aircraft was also used to practice fighting a hijacking, Khodada said. He called it a Boeing 707, but the position of the wing on the fuselage better fits an aft-engined aircraft.The camp was visited by United Nations inspectors on a holiday in January 1995. The inspectors ''went all the way inside the camp,'' Khodada said. ''They saw the plane, they saw the train, and they didn't care anything about it, because [the commanders] told the United Nations, 'This is a camp to train police, antiriot police.'''
Khodada said he was sure the Sept. 11 attacks involved Iraqi training because
Osama bin Laden was not capable of such a high-level operation. ''These kind of
attacks must be, and have to be, organized by a capable state, such as Iraq,''
he said. ''Even the grouping; those groups were divided into 5-6 people in the
group. How about the training on planes? Some of these groups were taken and
trained to drive airplanes at the School of Aviation, north of Baghdad....
Everything coincides with what's happening.''
User: C | Month: 2 | Day: 15
Message: Edward Said;
"The media has simply become a branch of the war effort. What has entirely disappeared from television is anything remotely resembling a consistently dissenting voice. Every major channel now employs retired generals, former CIA agents, terrorism experts and known neoconservatives as "consultants" who speak a revolting jargon designed to sound authoritative but in effect supporting everything done by the US, from the UN to the sands of Arabia. Only one major daily newspaper (in Baltimore) has published anything about US eavesdropping, telephone tapping and message interception of the six small countries that are members of the Security Council and whose votes are undecided. There are no antiwar voices to read or hear in any of the major medias of this country, no Arabs or Muslims (who have been consigned en masse to the ranks of the fanatics and terrorists of this world), no critics of Israel, not on Public Broadcasting, not in The New York Times, the New Yorker, US News and World Report, CNN and the rest. When these organisations mention Iraq's flouting of 17 UN resolutions as a pretext for war, the 64 resolutions flouted by Israel (with US support) are never mentioned. Nor is the enormous human suffering of the Iraqi people during the past 12 years mentioned. Whatever the dreaded Saddam has done Israel and Sharon have also done with American support, yet no one says anything about the latter while fulminating about the former. This makes a total mockery of taunts by Bush and others that the UN should abide by its own resolutions.
The American people have thus been deliberately lied to, their interests cynically misrepresented and misreported, the real aims and intentions of this private war of Bush the son and his junta concealed with complete arrogance. Never mind that Wolfowitz, Feith, and Perle, all of them unelected officials who work for unelected Donald Rumsfeld at the Pentagon, have for some time openly advocated Israeli annexation of the West Bank and Gaza and the cessation of the Oslo process, have called for war against Iraq (and later Iran), and the building of more illegal Israeli settlements in their capacity (during Netanyahu's successful campaign for prime minister in 1996) as private consultants to him, and that that has become US policy now.
Never mind that Israel's iniquitous policies against Palestinians, which are reported only at the ends of articles (when they are reported at all) as so many miscellaneous civilian deaths, are never compared with Saddam's crimes, which they match or in some cases exceed, all of them, in the final analysis, paid for by the US taxpayer without consultation or approval. Over 40,000 Palestinians have been wounded seriously in the last two years, and about 2,500 killed wantonly by Israeli soldiers who are instructed to humiliate and punish an entire people during what has become the longest military occupation in modern history."
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 15
Message: Roy "the Wimp" Scam - read it again:
"My dictionary defines a æwarÆ as æopen, armed conflict between two parties, nations or statesÆ. Dropping bombs from a safe height on an already hard-pressed people, whose infrastructure is in chaos from years of sanctions and who live under an oppressive regime, isnÆt a æwarÆ. ItÆs a turkey shoot."
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Beer: good thing it's not eNtymology or your brew would be full of crickets... or is that full after cricket?
Aja: Unfortunately, that was before I knew what a blonde femme PT or a hydrocollator were...be well soon...
User: steelydoubt | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: ok so this girl in my class wantes to listen to my md player so i let her. she listenes for five minutes and tkes teh headphones out of her ears and says it elevator music. i said it was REAL music. long story short now im disilusioned.
User: Lady Day and John Coltrane | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message:
played today
Andy Bey.."you'd be so nice to come home to"
The Rob Thorsen Quartet..evolution.."drawing room blues"
Houston Person.."it's to late"
Wynonie Harris.."destination love"
Koko Taylor.."wang dang doodle"
The Crusaders..rural renewal"(new)
Al Kooper..re-kooperation.."downtime"
Gil Scott Heron.."when you are who you are"
Charles Earland.."blowing the blues away"
Wayne Reiss..the year of the dragon.."back in the soul shack"(new)
Kenny Dorham..una mas.."if ever i would leave you"
Zan Gardner.."some other time"
Van Morrison w/Georgie Fame.."early in the morning"
Bobby "blue" bland.."aint that lovin you"
The Deacons w/Kenny Schopmyer..straight up.."change in you"
Slowburn..time and memory..(new)
Horace Silver.."senor blues"
Chris Conner.."senor blues"
Slide Hampton..spirit of the horn..(new)
Count Basie..lp the atomic basie.."li'l darlin"
John Lee Hooker & Van Morrison.."i cover the waterfront"
Charles Brown.."all my life"
I remember when we first met
one Friday in the afternoon.
You said
if I wanted your love, darling,
I'd have to wring the silver out of the moon.
johhny shines
"Brutal Hearted Woman"
bluz
User: lp | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: hey pink - the one i caught was the opening of his restaurant with a chef who had turrets and would swaer - what i liked was his wife is so onto him oe minute and completely ignoring his antics the other, in this episode i saw she was a riot with her car wash scene
i have to find someone up here who can tape it for me
takin five, people...woo-hoo!
User: Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: I live for Curb Your Enthusiasm. I wanted to wet my pants when Larry got into an intense argument with a guy who called Larry a "self loathing jew hater" for whistling Hitler's favorite "Ride of the Valkyrie" in line at a movie premiere. The other one that was great was when Larry went to support an old friend at a adult victim's of pedophile abuse support group and then ended up making up a story about his uncle the surgeon having abused him. I have only one question, though, how did he land such a hot babe for a wife?
Aja (mine, the one w/o boob glitter) just turned 3 on Wednesday. To say she is in control is the understatement of the century.
User: lp | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: i suddenly have an image of the swedish chef...
hey, when i was in suburban boston last weekend i watched a hilarious show on HBO, "curb your enthusiasm" - unscripted larry david and company - who is george castanza - anyone seen this? i haven't laughed that hard at tv in a long time - makes me wish i did have cable, dammit
headed down to cambridge to see dave brubeck at harvard for saturday night - i have seats on the stage of a shakespeare-like theater in the round, can you dig it? the phone ticket guy vacations up here every year so it was an easy sweet-talk to score the seats - i'm completely psyched - will post a review next week!
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: TB/W1P; yeah that's what it is and that's what my neighbour is too when she placed her car in the front of mine today. Skadevsllare. Had a look at your site today and Aja looks to be in control. Downloaded "Shine on" but my son fucked up the computer - no sound. You're doin "Summer of 68" (my only fav of Floyd besides "See Emily Play")?
L
User: Aja...............back@work, not working | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Fortunately I have a new boss who doesn't care if I post, just as long as my work gets done. How did such a sensible person wind up in management?
Thanks for the well-wishes, everyone. Randy, we'll have that dime-dance just as soon as my hip flexors stop locking up.
Dr. Mu-yikes, that was a painfully vivid description! I have a chip off my iliac crest, which is only a dull pain unless I reach, then it feels like a shard of glass under the skin. PT is really helping the muscle damage I sustained, and though I've been warned not to run or ride for 6-8 weeks, I plan to ignore that advice.......
The fourth season of "Sex and the City" will be released on May 20, then EMG on June 10-there is light at the end of the tunnel.....
Aja
User: Dano | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Lars ,Beers, Shouldnt it be...
Pubagaren = Pub-garden (Hospitality area)
Rodnast = Nasty Rodent (Rat)
Danaho.
User: Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: I am led to believe that the the Swedish word "skadevsllare" is roughly analogous to "tortfeasor"
http://hometown.aol.com/wch1ispink/tortfeasor.html
User: loxe | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: question! i know you guys know the answer.
is walter becker married? or married-ish?
im just wondering.
++++++++++ thanks!
User: Roy.Scam (redux) | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Jim~ "Pardon my freedom." LMFAO BIGBA (but it grew back again).
John Stewart on The Daily Show said that the condom machines in the Capitol Building restrooms will now be selling Freedom Ticklers.
presumeably 'for the pleasure of you pages and interns'.
User: Roy.Scam | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Dano~ I laughed my ass off. But it grew back; so please feel free to live and relate another tale of nudity and hilarity.
Aja~ Please get well sooner, rather than later. I hope you didn't fracture your double helix.
Oleander~ Yes, I've glitted other body parts. Unfortunately, they were all my own.
Jim#~ Be patient with radio station 88.7. They play a lot of good stuff too: blues, jazz, doo-wop, classical, gospel, early rock & roll like Fats and Little Richard, big bands, and cheesy forties music. Sometimes their diversity is their downfall. It was just bad luck that they were playing opera when you tuned in. -- For me, it would be a tough choice between sitting through an opera and having Edward Scissorhands examine my prostate.
On the use of the word "cowardly" to describe the 9-11 hijackers: I'm not a big W fan, and some of his usages strike me as lame, (e.g., 'They attacked us because they hate freedom.'). However, I think I side with George on this one. That's one adjective I never questioned. I don't think they give out valor patches for: 1) running away from your life, your problems, your family, and your obligations, 2) Failing to confront your real enemy, 3) attacking easy targets peopled by unsuspecting innocents. If I ever do something that meets all three of those criteria, you have my permission to call me a wimp.
On the other hand, here's a quote that I liked from Bill Maher's Show: It's
from a segment called The Marijuanalogues,
"I didn't always smoke pot. I
used to be high on life. But I built up a tolerance."
A happy June 10th to all; and to all a good night.
RS
User: Damn! | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: lars - we can't have our own secrets any more! I better go home and watch "Ss ska det lsta!".
Gonatt
User: Beerberiansen | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Lars; Thx I accept .........Som om... LOL
Mu; etymological sense... is that anything like common sense , if so , I have none .......HRND
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: todays honourary Swede is Beer!
PubSgaren = pubowner/patron
L
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: or more likely a pub frequenter - someone who is a regular at a pub or an Irishman who hits the pub daily...very Germanic construction in the etymological sense...
User: ¦ - Down @ the Lido | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Beer - It's gotta be a pub or bar...hmmm sounds like ethnic profiling to me...
Good work, btw...you might try reverse engineer your next post into Swedish
User: Beerberian | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Clas;Excellent !! and what does "pubSgaren" mean
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message:
"Aja / when all my dime dancing is through / I run
to you..."
(No - really; as soon as I'm done dancing I'll swing over and keep you company; we'll have you back on your feet in no time. And as soon as the malpractice money comes through, we'll jog with show folk on the sand, and drink kirschwasser from a shell no less. The Cuervo Gold and the fine Columbian will make that night a wonderful thing... Just slow down; I'll tell you when, or I may never walk again...)
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
P.S. O.K., so in regards to Neil's offspring, I did indeed exchange Zack for Zeke - so sue me. It was a quickly written post; I do have other things to do you know.
P.P.S. In actuality Mitchell allegedly did have a (very) brief dalliance with Stills as well, thus making it C, S and N.
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Beerb - pretty good, but; "fsr" means both "allowed" and "sheep".
But "sheep" make sense too.
R÷dnSst = Rednosed
User: saddambamthankyoumaam | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Is that a surface-to-air missile in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me?
User: Howard | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Steelydoubt: a bit of a late follow-up to my post about the glitch in the bass line to "Do It Again", but I had a listen last night and found it at about 2:28. The change is definitely missed, but he recovers well...
Howard
User: Beers Esperanto | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Clas/Lars ;How's this for a first pass then ...Som om...
"Have you been over on that cover bands answer to ôSign in Strangerö ? Wholly incredible , same yellow colour and layout. And this r÷dnSste Irish pubSgaren is sitting on THE guestbook and wondering how long those sheep will have it ôClas free ". As if."
User: Beerberian learning fast | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Clas; OK I got most of that - help me with pubSgaren & r÷dnSste please ...
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Lars - har du varit ÷ver ps coverbandens svar ps Sign in Stranger? Helt otroligt, samma gula fSrg och layout. Och den hSr r÷dnSste IrlSndske pubSgaren sitter ps DEN gSstboken och undrar hur lSnge dom fsr ha den "Clas-free".
Som om...
---
Beerb - no worries, I am not talking about you.
User: Beerberian Red Nosed | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Bill; Why aye man !! good album indeed Although in some circles it is not deemed COOL to like Mr Knopfler - I rather enjoyed Sailing to Philadelphia too ... with Mr Taylor in duet.
Stevee/Arlean ; Of course Clas has frequently demonstrated the ability to put his whole foot in his mouth !! LMRNO ...
"SkSmta ja, puhhh, det gst inte att g÷ra det lSngre. Hur gammal Sr den dSr jSvla managern? 15 sr" - Roughly translates to How is your Volvo running Lars ? Mine is very creative since I stuck the Viking helmet on the hood ....
All donations to Comic Relief ... Hey a Laugh & A Blow Job what more could you want ?
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: Lars - the weather is pretty good actually, quite opposite to the weatherforecast last night, those bloody metrologies, can't trust them any more, can we?
The sun is shining, the sky is blue, and I have installed a sofa for the damn dog, so he can feel like he's home, his damn whining here at work got on my nerves.
So everybody's happy.
(except for the Landlord)
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 14
Message: C: She did. That makes me more comfortable. I mean, teaming up with that tributeJaco in the 80ies didn't do much to calm me down.
How Stockholm today, already parked outside the venue and started some tailgatin'?
L
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Lars - yes, I've seen her smile! A lovely smile, that's when I asked her if it was true that she went to Staten Island for buying herself a mandoline. And what a smile it was!
I got the impression she got a hardearned selfconfidence. After all these years in showbiz LA, she must have.
SkSmta ja, puhhh, det gst inte att g÷ra det lSngre. Hur gammal Sr den dSr
jSvla managern? 15 sr?
User: Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: http://hometown.aol.com/wch1ispink/tortfeasor.html
This is the webpage for "my band" (its also on my homepage above)
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: SteveE; the fist does make a convenient mute for wah wah scat-ing...
Aja: OUCH...I once had a semi-avulsion fracture of the iliac crest as a result of a brilliant, for half-a-second, "re-switch" move on the wrestling coach during practice. I remember a sickening pop and turning even more pasty white than I am already. Felt a little better after an hour in the whirlpool, but the next morning - I could only writhe in the most extreme PAIN in my bed as every muscle from my knee to sternoclavicular joint was in severe contracture! We couldn't get a decent X-ray at the Ortho Doc in a Box for over an hour due to the physician putting my broken pelvis in unnatural positions that I would only think about in a healthy state with willing participants from the cheerleading squad or drill team. The results showed my left ilium looking suspiciously like a wishbone after the end of a Thanksgiving meal.
Fortunately, no CAST, and they loved 'em back then, and I was SIXTEEN. After a few days of walking around in crutches, by underarms provided even more discomfort than the hip, so I walked around like Fred Sanford for a couple of weeks before I made up my own 2 weeks of rehab and was back on the mat within 4 weeks...If that happened today, I'm sure I'd be drowning in Margaritas as a salve for 6 months...
User: Bill | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Aja,
Your doctor sounds like a total quack.
I know that choosing a doctor isn't
an exact science but if a doctor is
attached to really good hospital chances
are he's a good doctor. Here's
how I chose my doctor here in New
York...
1)Find the best hospital in your area.
2)Get a list of doctors
attached to that hospital.
3)Choose the doctor with the highest
qualifications.
While this isn't a foolproof method it's logical and should
land you a
good doctor. The one you have now sounds like a complete dope.
Midnight Cruiser,
Back in December my Honda VTX was stolen. I replaced it with a
Kawasaki
Vulcan Meanstreak. After riding it for 3 days I'm happy to report
that
Kawasaki did a fabulous job of designing this bike. Maybe I should
have
bought this bike to start with? I know we haven't had too many
rideable
days this winter but how are you liking the Yamaha Road Star
Silverado
you bought?
P.S.)
If you guys haven't bought Mark Knopflers "The Ragpickers Dream"
yet
then you're missing out on an excellent cd.
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Aja - I am only one of the tribute band posters but I would like you to know that if I played even a small part in amusing you, then I am happy. Sorry to hear about the additional injury you've sustained. I wish you a speedy recovery.
Arlean - the things one learns about from this guestbook is amazing. I can't tell you how much more full my life seems now that I know that Joni can stick her entire fist in her mouth! "... I wait all night for calls like these ..." Thank you. This is the kind of trivia that cannot be rivaled (somebody screamed somewhere).
Lars ... it's true you DO have a sense of humor ! But, I would really love to know what you posted to Clas in Swedish!
As far as a DanFest in Los Angeles is concerned ... build it and at least one Steely Dan tribute band will come. I guarantee it.
SteveeDan
User: Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: There's some really great posts since I last appeared here yesterday. Unfortunately I cannot respond to them because they relate to things other than tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, all that's left is a band of tribute, I'm starting a new genre tribrute bands. Hope we have some Danfests soon, maybe we can get a tribute dan to play.
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: thanks Howard et al, maybe she have some kind of constipation? Clas, you meet her some time ago - did you notice any mental och physical illness? Was Joni nice to you? Maybe she's worried about that delayed TRIBUTE record?
C: Herregud, hSr skSmtar man och tas ps allvar!
L
User: arlean | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: randy, thanks for clearing some things up with relationship to neil and his sons. also note that neil helped construct a special wheel chair for severly disabled children. from what i have read, he has a very close realtionship with his eldest son zeke in recent years.
molly, neil and joni's friendship and musical relationship goes back to toronto, when she was married to chuck. she said years later that he stated at that time all he wanted in life was a hearse and a chicken farm. he stayed true to that with the buffalo ranch and all the old cars and trucks. they also both got polio in the spine during the same outbreak in their youth in canada. the only romantic relationship she had with csny, was with david and later lived with nash. but these were actually two different periods in her life. maybe she wasn't smiling that night because most of the players of the last walz were all coked up (note neils nostrils), which he later said was stupid on his part)and she latter stated that that coke ruined the california sound she was a part of. of note, sure she talks about getting drunk in her songs, but she never did go into rehab. i think after his breakup with carrie, he was envolved with nicolette larson. but please don't blame her, she later married russ kunkle and died a few years ago.
umm, stop making records? she has released at least nine albums and two music videos since the last walz was recorded. won three grammys along the way, one for album cover.
if you want to see how she smiles, please check out her official site and read the toronto star's recent interview with her. she isn't smiling in that picture, she is gushing with joy of life. seems there will be a showing of her life on American Masters on PBS in April! you can also find some of her artwork on this site.
joni is just a class act. and she can stick her entire fist in her mouth. really she can. i saw of photo of that once and she admits to it often.
User: Aja.....................still not on the dime-dancing circuit | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Found out last week that my pelvis got chipped when I crashed 2 weeks ago. I had to ask for an X-ray-my doctor said he didn't think it was necessary and if I had broken anything "I'd know". It was all I could do to keep from calling him up and yelling I TOLD YOU IT HURT! If slamming into the ground at 34 mph doesn't merit an X-ray, what does? On a sadder note, a cyclist who placed 4th in the Tour de France died Wednesday when he crashed after he took off his helmet. I wear mine religiously and it probably saved my life-the back is crushed from the tumble I took, but I'm fine. Make sure your kids wear their helmets, goofy-looking or not!
Okay, off my soapbox now. LMAO at all the posts about tribute bands!
Aja
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Clas - your concern for my inner spirit is sweet. Don't worry about the lumberjack Viking helmet wearing looney quip. As Lars figured out, it was just a joke, meant in fun, not spite. Just bear in mind that we tribute band people do this because we really enjoy doing it. It has nothing to do with one's pursuit of art or anything else. Beers' said it correctly, and Pink? ... tribute, tribute, tribute, tribute, tribute, tribute, tribute, tribute, ... great.
I lucked into switching channels on TV last night and caught the last half of Elvis Costello on David Letterman. He did a great job. Those of you who might not be aware of Eddie Izzard (the guy who was on after Kim Catrall) ... Izzard is a very funny stand-up comedian. He did an HBO special a couple of years ago that I wish I had a copy of. He does his act in drag. After the shock value of his get-up wears away, you are left with one very funny guy. (Le sange est sur la branch ...)
Well, yesterday I went to Tower Records and spent all of the milk money ...
for the year. I went there with the original intent of buy 2 copies of the Yes
5-CD boxed set "In A Word". One set for my friend who's birthday is today, and
the other for me. But, I couldn't stop there ...
I sorted though all of the
DVDs in the record store and ended up with:
Roxy Music - Live At The
Apollo
Bily Cobham's Glass Menagerie - with Mike Stern, Michal Urbaniek, Gil
Goldstein, and Tim Landers, recorded in Riazzino, Switzerland March 1981
Bill
Bruford - Earthworks, Footloose in NYC
Nektar Live (who knows about this
progressive rock band?) - Nearfest 2002 in New Jersey with the original
line-up
... and ...
Peter Gabriel - Secret World Live
So, to Bad Sneakers, I say ... this is a great DVD. Tower's got it on sale for $14.99. It's over 1 hour and 40 minutes long. This is already one of my favorite DVDs.
Take care everyone ... out there in the land of meyhem ...
SteveeDan
User: YGK | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: (hmmmmmm - "Steely Dan Guestbook - politics, war, good music........what can I say that had meaning? well..............")
For those of you who like trios, and great lyrics - Mose Allison is just a
fabulous writer and player, and surrounds himself with great players.
While
listening to a few of his discs recently, I found the lyric below which seems
too timely, even while being recorded in 1971.
Looking at the personnel: it's Mose on piano, Chuck Rainey, bass, and Billy
Cobham on drums........
I think this kinds of fits some of the euros here,
but it rings true with me as well:
Western Man had a plan
and with his gun in his hand
free from doubt
went right out on the world
western man with his cross
set to prove who was boss
in his pride -
he'll decide for the world
well at first he sailed right through
seemed there was nuthin that he
couldn't do
went right out and laid 'em low
seems there's nothing that he
didn't know
came up with pockets, sprockets, rockets and jets
two hundred million
color TV sets
but when they added up the cost
its seemed he played his
hand and lost
Western man hung his head
he could be better off dead
strong men
wept
took a new concept
turned around and got in step with the world
- Mose Allison, "Western Man"
ygk
User: ¦ - Fina Uber Alles | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Hank: The MOAB as the cluster bombs were/will be used by the US with the intention to kill soldiers/terrorsts, not civilians. In contrast, Saddam has and will continue to make civilians his targets directly or through terrorist organizations such as Hamas, PLO, Al Qaeda...at the average rate of 65,000 deaths/year...
In 1998 Clinton used Exactly the same rationale and language before bombing Iraq with 450 Cruise missles with no UN sanction or a peep from France or protestors (BTW, there have been sizable pro-american gatherings recently in Houston, San Antonio and Cincinnati). The only result was that the inspectors were kicked out and ties with terrorist organizations were increased...again, this is all obviously a power play on the part of France, Germany, and Russia and hypocrisy by the American (free) radicals...In England I think opposing viewpoints are more honest. Blair believes that Saddam is a threat, and the ricin arrests prove it. He is supported by a number in the Conservative Party and opposed by many in his own Labour Party - those opposed may be thinking risk/benefits - they've seen a fair amount of terrorism over the years at the hands of the IRA...
PERSONAL OPINION: Given the UN's past record of failure except for Gulf War I (Incomplete) and Korean War (tie), I would have avoided them as Clinton did re: Cruise missles, Aspirin Factory, Kosovo, Haiti...I would have duct taped Rumsfelds yap...and waited until a critical mass of evidence (ties with terrorist including Al Qaeda, human rights violations, etc.) that presented a grave danger to the US...present the evidence in one fell swoop on a speech (have Colin Powell whisper in the ear if necessary), and wipe out the Republican Guard the next day...or just forget it...
Anybody remember the Batman movie from the 60s (with the TV show cast)?
Where Joker, Catwoman, Penguin, and Riddler kidnap and freeze dry the UN
Security Council into test tubes? When Batman and Robin rescue the Council test
tubes, the powder is spilled, and when reconstituted the arguments continue with
the voices and bodies switched...some things never change...
User: Howard | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Moll - I didn't express what I had in mind clearly enough in relation to Joni and her being "tough". I think Randy explained it much better than me!
Basically, since the mid 70s, Joni has never felt the need to *pretend* to be "nice" or pretend to smile. If the occasion calls for it (or people's expectations call for it) she ain't gonna do it unless she actually feels like smiling. She's true to herself and her feelings, and I'd much rather have that (and put up with occasional grumpiness) than to have forced smiles 24 hours a day.
I haven't seen the Last Waltz video so I can't really comment on that. I presume she had good reason for feeling not 100% happy that day. It's worth commenting that in interviews she smiles and laughs more easily than most artists!
Howard
User: chuck | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: thanks for the Oleander site! that settled our argument!
p.s. I WAS RIGHT! HOO AHHHHH
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Elvis should have his own show, no, better yet, since Carson had guest hosts in his days, the same should be done for Dave. Elvis was a true natural as you people in the GB say. He was even funny, which really surprised me, especially with that Saturday Night Live crack. I also enjoyed the rapport he had with Kim Cattrall. Guess you were suprised she was from Liverpool. I think I'm gonna get her book and figure out the position myself;)
Eddie Izzard did his best, but because he too was English, and they have a
different way of saying here, (pissed actually means drunk in England)
that's
why he didn't win em' over. The comic, I didn't care much for. Heard em' all,
seen em' all.
I also knew that Elvis would perform "Peace Love Understanding." Especially in these crazy times. I'm sure Tony Blair turns off the radio, nowadays whenever that song is on the air.
Other than that, TV executives, GIVE ELVIS HIS OWN SHOW! AND NONE OF THAT REALITY SHIT!
Elvis could blow Carson Daly out of the water and into the nether reigions of the black hole.
If Don and Walt filled in for Dave, who would they have on the show?
Other than that, good job Elvis.
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Jim# - "...being in agreement with the author." Yes, that's true, I am. And I also agree with John Pilger, Edward Said and Robert Fisk. I admire people who's stands up and call things for what they are.
And if it is being an anti-sionist hating what the Israel government is doing to the people of Palestina, well... so be it. But I think the expression is a little out of line.
And for the other questions, Howard answered them. Read his post close and try to understand.
And good luck with your President.
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Chuck: Try your luck at Oleander's site. Click the link
above, or copy and paste
this.
http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/Index.htm
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message:
P.S. To My Last Post:
In regards to Mitchell and 'The Last Waltz,' Joni can be seen smiling at a few points, but part of the issue in regards to that show was the fact that for as good as The Band was, Mitchell still had to put them through the paces in rehearsal in order to have the songs come up to snuff in the live show; The Band simply wasn't acclimated to playing material of that style; it was simply pretty sophisticated to play correctly (this being her then-latest work, "Coyote" from 'Hejira'). In addition, part of the price of fame is the daily assault of constant recognition (among many other things), which can wear down anybody, especially someone as private as Miss Mitchell. She's actually been quite a trooper over the years, considering some of the less than considerate shit she's had to deal with (it's hardly fun or encouraging having a water balloon thrown at you while you're baring your soul on stage, especially among all that electricity).
Van Morrison too has described fame as "a drag," and I for one, can see why he sees it that way. He make records, people buy them; he doesn't owe anybody anything beyond that; it's a job (to him). One should hardly even expect some sort of ingratiating interview for the purposes of publicity, even if that is "the norm"-
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: chuck | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: I have a question! A friend of mine and I have been arguing over the meaning of hey nineteen and I have been trying to find people that may know the truth. He thinks the song is about a retha franklin song on the jukebox (song #19) and I think its about a nineteen year old girl that has nothing in common with an older man. If you know the truth or know where I might be able to find out can you help me out?
User: Paige | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Moll:
In fairness to Neil, in recent years he has rededicated himself to his special needs child. Can't say what happened in earlier years in this regard. Neil can be somewhat self-absorbed, etc. etc. But it is good to see that he has seen to his higher responsibilities in recent years.
-Paige
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message:
Joni Mitchell IS a tough woman, and one has to be in
an inherently sexist industry. But regardless of one's sex, one is essentially
dealing with sharks when involved in any facet of the entertainment industry,
and the only route to survival in many cases is to be ruthless when it comes to
trying not to compromise one's art or one's self. In many instances, people tire
of trying to be "nice" all the time in regards to fans and "the business," and
some people don't bother playing the game at all. In addition, many don't see
their talent as "god given," rather a product of their environment and/or
heredity.
Incidentally, Neil Young did NOT abandon any of his children at any time, though this rumor continues to circulate. When Young and his girlfriend (actress Carrie Snodgrass) split up, she took custody of their son Zack (who has mild cerebral palsy), and then later sued Young in an attempt to get MORE child support (it was not a amicable split). The judge ruled after assessing Snodgrass' acting income and Young's income that he was already paying ample support, and actually had it REDUCED, based on various circumstances determined by the court. Essentially Snodgrass wanted all she could get from Young, and did all she could to sour his reputation.
Young later founded the Bridge School after seeing his second son Ben (also afflicted was severe cerebral palsy, determined by doctors to be entirely coincidental no less) struggle through a difficult and painful learning program. Young and his second wife Peggy thought there was a better way, and founded the Bridge School. Young continues to have a good relationship with both his sons, as well as daughter Amber (a healthy girl born in the late eighties).
(No jabs or slights intended to any parties.)
Randy
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User: Hutch | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Jimbo and Mu - EC did a great job didn't he? He fit
right into the talk show host vibe from the start. Some of the other subs have
been more than a little awkward. Bruce Willis was really bad. I watched the
whole thing and Elvis really held it all together beautifully. Even when that
red haired English guy came on and died pretty badly.
And wasn't that a kick
butt version of "Peace, Love and Understanding" at the end of the show? Looked
like the Attractions except no Bruce Thomas on bass. Steve Neive on keyboard and
Pete Thomas on drums though.
One of things I love the most about those early
albums is the bass and drums. Those two guys locked into each other like glue.
Bruce Thomas' bass lines are almost like songs in themselves and Pete Thomas'
drumming just knocks me out. That powerful tight, snappy style... kind of like
Danny Serephine (another favorite) on speed!
User: Hank Silvers | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Flying an airplane into a skyscraper is suicidal.
Killing thousands of civilians is a massacre.
Whether it's done with a jet airplane or with the mother of all bombs.
Rumsfeld talking about the MOAB, saying "This is not small" with a grin gives me the creeps.
User: Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Howard, Re: post 2000- What does "tough" have to do with
acting as if ones face will crack into bits if that person smiles ? I don't get
the "Artist" persona that some performers insist upon? Talent is a gift from
God. I have much more respect for performers who act gracious about the gifts
bestowed upon them. Moreover, I've met countless sweet little old ladies who
have endured hardships that most of us can't even imagine. Living without
electricity, proper medical attention etc.. wasn't an exercise in personal
development. It was their existence. Yet they still managed to treat others with
civility and kindness.
ps-I've often wondered how the woman who cared for
Neil Young's special needs child felt and conducted herself after ol Neil
abandoned them? Do you think she felt bitter after changing her child's diaper
for the millionth time while Neil was more than likely out cavorting with
Joni?
User: fezo | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Cowardliness is George II hiding behind the coattails of Ari Fleischer, cowering at the thought of fielding a question from a 82 year old woman.
From Molly Ivins:
"A final note on matters journalistic: At his 'press conference' last week
President Bush broke a 43 year tradition by failing to call on Helen
Thomas,....who has been asking questions at presidential news conferences since
1960."
User: Beerberian | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Pat; If I may be so bold ... (hands across the GB's) You have a Typo on one of the lyrics pages ...
THE ROYAL SCAM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kid
Charlemagne
The Caves of Altimira
Don't Take Me Alive
Sign in
Stranger
The Fez
Green Earnings ????????????? ref to dollars maybe
Haitian Divorce
Everything You Did
The Royal Scam
In love
and friendship nee TRIBUTE
User: Howard | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Lars - Joni is a tough and fiery woman, that's all. And don't believe all that stuff about her never making another record. How many times has she said that now?
The first time she quit the music business was after Blue. She retreated to a remote area of Canada, and lived in a house with no electricity. Luckily, there was a piano there. The result was "For The Roses" - one of her finest albums ever.
I think the second time she quit was after "Turbulent Indigo". She returned to making music after that too.
So her recent quotes about never making another album are nothing new. She'll probably go back to painting for a while, then something will fire her up, and she'll record again. Don't worry.
Jim# - why take the polar opposite of that "Cowardice" quote and infer that that's what Clas really meant? Come on now, even if we disagree strongly, can't we still have a sensible debate? I don't believe that's what Terry Jones or Clas meant.
I too have some sympathy with that quote - but among all the "things you could call that" I certainly don't include bravery. A "twisted, evil and misguided expression of an extremely powerful belief" - perhaps, but "cowardice" or "bravery" - no.
Howard
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: I watched 'The Last Waltz' on dvd the other night and Joni Mitchell didn't enjoy herself at all. And, she was the only one who never smiled. Even Bob Dylan and Van Morrison seemed to have a good time. And now she stops making records ... . I'm worried.
L
User: Jim# | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Clas: To quote from your latest in a seemingly endless series of "tribute" articles - "æCowardlinessÆ, according to George W. Bush, is hijacking an aircraft and deliberately piloting it into a large building. There are plenty of things you could call that, but not æcowardlyÆ."
I assume that by posting this, you are positioning yourself as being in agreement with the author.
What exactly are we, as global residents, to infer from this little missive? That the correct word for the deliberate killing of thousands of people might be bravery?
I find it hard to believe that after all your anti-Zionist, anti-war posting that you can actually endorse such a statement. I don't agree with everything President Bush says either, but I'd have to say that this time he was right.
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Language, not truth, has been the first casualty of the WestÆs war against terrorism
Terry Jones
Sunday February 23, 2003
The Observer
It was interesting to hear Colin Powell accuse France and Germany of cowardice in not wanting to go to war. Or, as he put more succinctly, France and Germany æare afraid of upholding their responsibility to impose the will of the international communityÆ. PowellÆs speech brings up one of the most outrageous but least examined aspects of this whole war on Iraq business. I am speaking about the appalling collateral damage already being inflicted on the English language.
Perhaps the worst impact is on our vocabulary. æCowardiceÆ, according to Colin Powell, is the refusal to injure thousands of innocent civilians living in Baghdad in order to promote US oil interests in the Middle East. The corollary is that æbraveryÆ must be the ability to order the deaths of 100,000 Iraqis without wincing or bringing up your Caesar salad.
I suppose Tony Blair is æbraveÆ because he is willing to expose the people who voted for him to the threat of terrorist reprisals in return for getting a red carpet whenever he visits the White House, while Chirac is a æcowardÆ for standing up to the bigoted bullying of the extremist right-wing Republican warmongers who currently run the United States.
In the same vein, well-fed young men sitting in millions of dollarsÆ worth of military hardware and dropping bombs from 30,000ft on impoverished people who have already had all their arms taken away are exemplars of æbraveryÆ. æCowardlinessÆ, according to George W. Bush, is hijacking an aircraft and deliberately piloting it into a large building. There are plenty of things you could call that, but not æcowardlyÆ. Yet when Bill Maher pointed this out on his TV show, Politically Incorrect, he was anathematized and the sponsors threatened to withdraw funding from the show.
Something weird is going on when not only do the politicians deliberately change the meanings of words, but also society is outraged when someone points out the correct usage.
Then thereÆs æthe international communityÆ. Clearly, Colin Powell cannot be talking of the millions who took to the streets last Saturday. The æinternational communityÆ heÆs talking about must be those politicians who get together behind closed doors to decide how best to stay in power and enrich their supporters by maiming, mutilating and killing a lot of foreigners in funny clothes whom theyÆll never see. And while weÆre at it, what about that word æwarÆ. My dictionary defines a æwarÆ as æopen, armed conflict between two parties, nations or statesÆ. Dropping bombs from a safe height on an already hard-pressed people, whose infrastructure is in chaos from years of sanctions and who live under an oppressive regime, isnÆt a æwarÆ. ItÆs a turkey shoot.
But then the violence being done to the English language is probably the price we have to pay for cheap petrol.
Language is supposed to make ideas clearer so that we can understand them.
But when politicians such as Colin Powell, George W. Bush, and Tony Blair get hold of language, their aim is usually the opposite. ThatÆs how they persuade us to take ludicrous concepts seriously. Like the whole idea of a æwar on terrorismÆ. You can wage war against another country, or on a national group within your own country, but you canÆt wage war on an abstract noun. How do you know when youÆve won? When youÆve got it removed from the Oxford English Dictionary?
When men in power propose doing something that is shameful, wrong and destructive, the first casualty is the English language. It would matter less if it were the only casualty. But if they carry on perverting our vocabulary and twisting our grammar, the result will spell death for many who are now alive.
Guardian Unlimited ¬ Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Duncan - it works? Great.
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Jimbo - "A masterpiece should be left alone."
Aaaamen... say it again;
Amen
User: Duncan | Month: 2 | Day: 13
Message: Clas:
Musical notes great !!!
they are funny looking arn't they
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Jimbo: I never watch the late night talk shows, but tuned in tonight for EC and he is a Natural - very quick as one might suspect. The trade for Madonna joke was very funny among others. I do want to know exactly what was on the marked page for Kim Cattrall's book...watch out Dave!
Yeah, hope the Police don't try to record Don't Stand So Close to Me a
third time, although the second was an interesting, if flawed, re-interpretation
if the classic from the greatest hits CD thingy...1986?
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Jimbo - I was just thinking that was up to Sting to decide? And I have no opinions, haven't heard the stuff.
Steeve - come on now kiddo, I am trying to help you, so you can get in touch with your inner creativity. Try to communicate with your true self.
Jim/Hoops - oh no, you're welcome, as long as you act in the spirit of a true, loyal Dan-fan. Stay, I guess it's getting lonesome over at your place.
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Next week's gonna be busy;
the Roots, Thursday
Jackson Browne, Sunday
Is that heavy stuff or what?
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: As I'm typing this, does anyone know that Elvis Costello is subbing for Dave Letterman tonight. I'm watching him right now. And you know what?
HE'S GOOD!
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Clas- When P. Diddy or was it Marshmallow Puff Dough Boy
sampled (sabotaged) "Every Breath You Take" for his tribute to some dead
rapper,
he got Sting to come up and sing with him. Sting should have said no.
The song was about a painful time in Sting's life when he was divorcing his
first wife, Frances Tomelty. But what made it worse was that Puff Diddy ;) did a
remix of "Roxanne" for a CD of The Best of Sting and The Police. He probably
didn't ask Stewart and Andy for permission if that was the case. P.Diddy want's
credit on evrything even if he tries to get his name on a Police remix or a song
that belongs to Sting.
You don't do a remake of Psycho if the original was innovative enough
(see
Anne Heche or Vince Vaughan). You don't renovate Mt. Rushmore just to
add on George Jr. (fiction, I hope). Why try to take a Sting song and mutilate
it so he could get most of the credit.
Whew! One hell of a rant against the music industry. But Clas, that's the point I was trying to make. A masterpiece should be left alone.
I think you can agree with me, but I'm interested in what you think.
User: oleander | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Dan, I mean Trib--you are slaying.
May I suggest that everyone pull out their copy of "Handmaid's Tale" and read it again. Margaret Atwood knew just where we're heading.
User: Tribute Band | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: I've decided to temporarily alter my moniker from W1P to Tribute Band in order to reflect the only thing in life that I believe is worth caring about.
User: Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: BB, well said babe. It's SUPPOSED to be fun. As long as the people listening are happy,and the musicians that are performing are having a good time.....THEN WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK? What a thing to argue about! No I'm not a musician, I don't play one on TV...I only sleep with some of them em! lmao
User: W1P | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: My tribute band, tribute band, tribute band, is called Which One's Pink? It is a Pink Floyd tribute band (not a cover band). The name Which One's Pink? comes from the Pink Floyd song "Have A Cigar" which, incidentially, is the only Pink Floyd song to feature a male lead vocal by someone other than Roger Waters or David Gilmour -- the vocalist in question being Roy Harper, a singer of some stature. Which One's Pink? has been together since February 1998 and consistently drawn moderate crowds in very nice venues. People who come to Which One's Pink? shows have fun enjoying the power of Pink Floyd's music played live before a community of music fans who share the same interests. Which One's Pink? has recorded two studio cuts (Dogs and What Shall We Do Now?) to be released hopefully by the end of this month on a two CD compilation of Pink Floyd songs performed by nearly 30 LA area artists entitled "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd" Among the other artists to be featured on this compilation are Graham Parker, Mike Keneally, John Would (formerly of Warren Zevon's touring band), Shark of the Wild Colonials, Dave Chapple (bassist in Arthur Lee and Love), Quetzal, Numira, Sally Semrad and a host of others. Promote, promote, promote, promote, promote, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute CDs, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, promote, promote, promote, grunt like a pig, laugh like a lunatic, one of these days I'm going to cut you into little pieces, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, I just can't get enough. If loving you is wrong, i don't wanna be right
User: Beerberian | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Lest we get away from sanity (Scandinavia bound mebbe)If I may present a personal and slanted perspective - I do not play in any band - I admire, love and respect people based on how I find them and how they respond to me and mine ... NOT on the size of their "creative" portfolio ... I really Love the music of Don & Walt (amongst others many and varied) I particularly like to share in the enjoyment of a beer and live music ALL the better if it is SD HooFuckinRay ... in fact ...
Everywhere around me, I see jealousy and mayhem
Because no men have all
their peace of mind, to carry them,
Well I don't really care, if it's wrong
or if it's right
But until my ship comes in, I live night by night
Tribute = compliment, mark of respect, honour, praise, acknowledgment,
esteem, accolade AND or homage - WHO has a problem with that ?
User: ohh | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: bribute tand... has kind of a cool ring to it !!!
User: db | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: please ... what's there name W1P
User: W1P | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, the most important shit on earth, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, nothing else matters (not even the Metallica song), tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, I don't care about my family, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, even more important than promoting a facist agenda, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, I'm not just the manager, I'm a brain damaged laughing and pig grunting performer, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, I don't even like Steely Dan, that name I dropped on my daughter was a mistake, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, lovebob, lovebob, lovebob, lovebob, Los Angeles Dodgers, Lakers, Rams (there is no such thing as the St. Louis Rams), tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands. Glad I dropped in the GB for the sole purpose of promoting my tribute band because I've been incredibly successful in acquiring hundreds of new fans for my tribute bands here, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, I just can't get enough.
User: Fingers | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Mock Turtle Soup
"they will believe what they choose to believe...despite the facts and the truth".
You speaking for Pat now? I'm sure he can talk for himself. Or would you refuse to listen to him too?
Be assured no-one's "defending" anything........merely taking the time and
courtesy to explain to you where there is a clear lack of understanding (or
perhaps a refusal to accept any viewpoint other than your own).
I have tried
to be polite and patient but it's obviously wasted effort.
I'm sure everyone else is as bored of this fruitless haranguing as I am so let's just put it to bed eh?
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Lars - both "Low Spark" and "Show Biz Kids" use the D minor scale and the Dorian mode. The groove on each tune are a bit different ... but both tunes are among my favorites ... Geez, I forget to name Steve Winwood as one of the pianists I have intensely studied. It wasn't meant to be a complete list. Good to see that you have a sense of humor.
As for Clas - YOU seem to think that because we post here to promote our tribute bands we therefore think that we are "the most important shit on earth". These are your words and your beliefs.
... I think you need a larger Viking helmet as your head seems to be swelling
from taking too many shots from the other lumberjacks.
... by the way it's
Beverly Hills, not Bel Air, but I am flattered that you seem to think that I am
a kid ... I have a kid, a wife, a business in Beverly Hills, let's see what else
... oh yeah and I am the leader of a tribute band that has 11 musicians in it
called ... PRETZEL LOGIC - A STEELY DAN REVUE one of the premier SD trib bands
around.
And finally, ... you GOON ..., you demand that I accept your opinions, show you my original musical material, etc., etc.
You truly are one arrogant, innocuous, looney. And a great source of entertainment for us all.
SteveeDan
User: YGK | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: re: Sting........dumb: because Sean (P.Diddy) doesn't have the talent to really deserve being on same stage with Sting, albeit the same room.
Hey what did Mr. Carlin, Dennis Miller and the other guy say about the Dan?
just wonderin.........
ygk
User: Jim | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Clas
Just testing the waters as per a conversation with Pat. Guess things don't change after all.
jim
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Jimbo - "Sting, with all due respect, was dumb enough to perform it with him live on stage."
Why was that dumb?
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: To those who watch American Idol- Max Von Sydow is at your door, waiting to exorcise the urge of watching crappy reality shows from you. You will be saved.
Aussie- I sure fucking hope that Puff Daddy, or is it P. Diddy, didn't come
on the stage during Every Breath You Take. He sampled the song for an ode to a
drug dealer turned rapper, now dead and overhyped. Sting, with all due respect,
was dumb enough to perform it with him live on stage
during the Grammys a few
years back. Stewart and Andy should have kicked
Diddy's ass.
BRING BACK THE POLICE!
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Jim! Go home to your own livingroom!
User: Jim | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Freedom Fries
Freedom Horn
Freedom
Toast
Freedom Curve
Freedom Dressing
Miniature Freedom
Poodle
Freedom Kissing
Mr. Freedom, on "A Family
Affair"
Fuck the GOP! Ooopps! Heh, heh! "Pardon my
Freedom!"
jim
"She wearing Ambush and a Freedom
Twist."
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: US war plans are not helped by Blix
Robert Fisk - 08 March 2003
Oh, for the ice-cold Swedish eye on the Middle East. Ah, for the freezing Scandinavian vision of truth. Hans Blix, everybody's headmaster, delivered his school report yesterday with enough fairness to outrage both pupil û Iraq û and parent, ultimately the US.
Yes, Iraq had provided the names of relevant scientists, but "only a few documents had come to light û a disappointment". And on Iraq's destruction of al-Samoud 2 missiles û a "substantial measure of disarmament" û a Swedish bon mot. "We are not watching the destruction of toothpicks," Mr Blix said. Toothpicks, indeed.
Words of truly Nordic neutrality followed: "reluctant co-operation", "soberly judged", "immediate co-operation" (which was not obtained), "a considerable volume of documents". The famous aluminium tubes turned out û if one believes Mr Blix, and why not û to have nothing to do with nuclear weapons (goodbye, the British intelligence file). And û if you believe Mohamed al-Baradei, and again why not û quite a number of other US documents are lies. But the words from this most intransigent of Swedes to most enrage the warmongers were: "We intend to continue our inspection activities."
You could almost hear the roar of fury from the Americans. Saddam has lied; the UN hasn't found the weapons. The UN doesn't know how to find them. Alas for President Bush, the UN was urged to go to Iraq last year by ... President Bush.
He thought Saddam would not allow inspectors to land in Iraq. Saddam let the inspectors in û so the inspectors must now be trashed by Washington. Not an easy task when Mr Blix û the archetypal, friendly Swedish bear û is in charge.
The words were no help to US war plans. "Plausible ... verifiable ... progress," he said of his mission. All words the US would welcome if they wanted the inspectors to succeed. Hence the statement from Joschka Fischer, the German Foreign Minister: "We see no need for a second resolution." Which, of course, was the view of the French and the Russians û and Mr Blix. So, Mr Blix, watch out.
Colin Powell didn't seem quite ready for the report, though there was plenty of talk of "criminal evidence", of "lying and deceit", along with some new phrases: "cluster of questions" and "tens of thousands [sic] of delivery systems".
Yes, Mr Powell, who picked up the "toothpicks" metaphor, liked Iraq's co-operation û he could scarcely say otherwise û but added he was "sorry to learn that this is coming in a grudging manner".
The two words not mentioned were those of the countries whose people are really killing each other: Israel and Palestine. Alas, that would have muddied the waters û and introduced an element of reality to this frozen debate at the UN.
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Freedom Toast?
That's a joke, right?
What will be the next step? Banning Joni's "Free Man in Paris"?
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I still hear the American in Paris grunt at the restaurant; -We liberated this country two times and now they hate us.
(he had waited five minutes for the check)
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: "Belgium? Well, we know they're going to waffle!"
- Dennis Miller
Jim, SH: I came in late last night from San Antonio on business...Sheepishly, I'll admit I did see the last 25 min. Ruben is a great talent...living large! Stunning phrasing. Holland-Dozier-Holland, Stevie Wonder, Smokey Robinson, Ray Charles, Marvin Gaye...that's a pretty decent songwriting and arranging stable. One may question Gordy's packaging, I mean it's not the more organic Stax or Atlantic - but it did get the songs heard on those transistor radios...
I'm calling them Fina Fries, since I TRY (I swear they're laced with
addictive smack and kerosene) not to eat the oily things anyway...
User: sh | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message:
Yeah, can you imagine these kids singing SD songs?
lol And Walter and Donald would give smart-ass remarks as judges...too funny
I think that chick (Trenese) that Al Green watched was real good. and that guy Cory sounded like he should stick to "show tunes". I think the hairdresser will be out soon and the little blond yodeler too...lol
Hoops - I don't think the big guy (Ruben) will get knocked out too soon....there's a bit of a double standard in show biz. Guys can be overweight, but not women. Look at Luther Vandross, BB King and (back in the day) Meatloaf. And here (Fox tv in Detroit) we have several overweight male anchors/reporters and that seems to be ok. But all the women are thin and pretty.
And most producers are full of themselves and smart asses. They think they have such clever ideas (like making that girl read those remarks to the host).
Hey - I wonder if I'm prohibited from voting cause I'm a Fox employee? Hell,
I've tried and can never get through anyway! mlife and text messaging? I don't
even know how to get my voice mail on my cell phone...lol
User: Howard | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message:
I only just read the "french fries story". This is
amazing! It's for real!
For those that missed it, the US House of Representatives has renamed "french
fries" as "freedom fries" (don't laugh now...), and "french toast" as "freedom
toast" (FREEDOM TOAST?!?).
That really is ridiculous.
One of the funniest quotes I have seen in a long time came from Nathalie Loisau, a French embassy spokeswoman who said (after pointing out that the fries actually come from Belgium):
"We are at a very serious moment dealing with very serious issues and we are not focusing on the name you give to potatoes."
Superb!
Howard
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Duncan - check your mail.
Howard - I have sitting with my nose close to the Steely Dan/Joni Mitchell/Blood/Chicago etc, songbooks since the early seventies. I have learned a lot. I think we, the band I played in back in 1971-76, even played Rikki and Barrytown. But 99% of out repertoire was our own songs, inspired by the artits above.
The problem I have with those coverbands is that they are posting and promoting their bands on this site, as if they were the most important shit on earth. And when a MANAGER of a Pink Floyd cover band shows up, well, that's the drop.
Steeve - you spoiled little Bel Air kid, accept my opinions, you can't always get what you want; make me change my mind, that is. Show me some of your own songs for a change, and stop rambling about your coverband.
Lars - France is gone from the US maps. It's just a white spot where it used to be. And Bush is on Xanax. Poor guy, it doesn't matter which way he turns now, he'll lose. What will his dad say?
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: more on the copy/tribute thread: "Show Biz Kids" is Steely Dan actually performing as a tribute Traffic band ("Low Spark of High-Heeled Boys").
One of those "crazy lumberjack Viking helmet wearing loonies"/L
User: jim | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Here's how I responded to sh's email earlier:
I hated it for most of the show last night, and then all of a sudden I got into it and *voted*! (blush)
Yes, LB, it crossed my mind several times as to what WB and DF would say if they were up there as judges.
Last night I came home and it was already on and I was scoffing at the show...it was like bad kareoke (sp?) and my comments were more cynical than that irritating British judge. I guess this white guy from the Carolinas whose father recently died is currently running second on a news poll and I thought he was awful, over-enunciating, etc. Then that Bette Midler/Cyndi Lauper chick was on who was OK until her smart ass remarks about the cue cards. THEN I was APPALLED to hear that American Idol producers actually asked her to say that! Are the producers purposely taking her out of the running? I thought the move was like they were trying to fix the winner.
Then there was that blond lady. the yodeler and I thought she SUCKED despite all the praise, even by the British judge, which makes me all the more suspect of him. I mean she was off key every other line.
The African American woman who had some comments by Al Green was pretty good.
But then 012 guy came on (Ruben), the African American guy who weighed about 350 pounds. I thought he was outstanding! Enough so that I went from disgust with the show (I don't watch a lot of TV at all) to voting for him. I thought, "Poor guy, he's talented and he's going to get screwed by the general bastard public because of his weight problem." I heard on the news he's ranked third. (Yeah, it's a headline, next to the huge bomb test in Floriday.) Sadly, I bet if he was like a muscle stud he'd be Number 1 by far. So I decided, what the helll, I'll call the 866 number and vote for him. Don't think I would have voted if it was toll or 900 but for collect? Why not?
It's all in all a ridiculous show, but I guess Ruben was a talented point. Yes, this is what AT&T mLife is all about. LOL!
jim
User: sh | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message:
I should be working...
I emailed this thread to some of you, but thought I'd post it anyway...
Anyone watching American Idol? I'm embarassed to say I'm hooked this time.
Last night they had Lamont Dozier (of the infamous Motown songwriting team Holland/Dozier/Holland) as a judge. He also coached all the contestants and they each sang one of his songs. Pretty cool - all Motown.
I've heard they might have a songwriter and/or performer as a judge each week til the end. (I'm sure the "end" won't happen until May because of "sweeps"). Rumors even of Billy Joel doing it. How cool to have these kids all sing a Billy Joel song for the competition. I doubt there's one of them that could do justice to "Scenes From An Italian Restaurant", but....
And can you just picture the kids singing SD songs?! And wouldn't Walter and Donald make really good smart-ass judges? lol
So - any thoughts?
User: Mock Turtle Dude | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: I guess, Fingers & Beerberian, clearly I'm missing the point as to how it's a tribute. Then again, if your band is into note for note copies of Steely Dan as a tribute, I guess note for note copies of it's premier fan geustbook make sort of weird sense. I'm sure it will serve some audience and I respect that. But for me, the more you defend, the more I am turned off by your book and your explanations.
And again, when it comes to matters like this, Pat is cool enough to bite his tongue. I wouldn't expect him to say he hates it. So from here on I will follow his example.
Am I the only one getting sucked in by American Idol? I liked the black female singer near the end last night.
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Clas - this little discussion has left the rediculous and belly flopped right into the sublime. (Be careful when you use your language translator program ... 'sublime' could be incorrectly defined as being under a fruit ...)
To accuse me or anyone else that you are being denied your opinion is a joke. Nothing on earth could prohibit you from voicing your opinion. Go for it. Celebrate your unique specialness.
As for which keyboard playing sideman I 'pretend' to be ... I can emulate ALL OF THEM. And a lot of other keyboard players too. I also infuse a lot of my own playing style into the music where I think it might be appropriate.
Bravo Howard !!! Howard said it quite eloquently. Musicians 'borrow' from
each other constantly. I taught myself music by copying all of the keyboard
players I liked the most. Beware Clas ... here comes a list of some of the
keyboard players I have studied:
Elton John, Billy Joel, Keith Emerson, Rick
Wakeman, Carole King, Burt Bacharach, Leon Russell, Nicky Hopkins, Oscar
Peterson, Art Tatum, George Gershwin, Lyle Mays, Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea,
Jeff Lorber, Michael O-Martian, Don Grolnick, Joe Zawinul, and also specific
songs that had stand-out keyboard performances such as Rod Argent's Hold Your
Head Up, Eric Clapton's Layla and various songs by The Beatles, Stones, Bad Co.,
Jethro Tull, Three Dog Night, Chicago, Blood Sweat & Tears, etc. ... oh and
we can't omit the favorite childhood songs such as The Charlie Brown Theme, or
Henry Mancini's Baby Elephant Waltz.
I would just like to add at this time that you Clas are doing a wonderful job at perpetuating the widely held American belief that Sweedes are crazy lumberjack Viking helmet wearing loonies. I think all here at the guestbook would thank you for providing this dubious service to these yellow pages.
SteveeDan
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: lp: I'm looking forward to seeing Stewart Copeland putting Sting in a headlock and giving him some noogies...
User: Paige | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: I was introduced to Jack Johnson's music through my son. For awhile there all we were hearing from my son's room was Jack Johnson. He learned how to play just about everything Jack had recorded...all by ear I might add. My son is one of those really "naturally" talented guitarists. What frustrates me is that it is only a "minor" passion, taking the second seat to surfing. If he would just put the same effort forward on guitar as he does in his surfing career, I think that he might become one of the few that actually make it. But back to Jack...
I had heard that Jack Johnson was coming to town and I approached my son on
possibly taking in the concert. He told me that Jack wasn't coming to town
because he actually lived here in Santa Barbara. And if that weren't enough, one
of my son's teachers is Jack Johnson's wife and there was no need to buy tickets
cuz she had already given him two. Somewhat stunned, I realized that my son had
a better line on what was going on than I did. Well, at least we got tickets I
said. Sorry Dad, I'm taking my girlfriend. Oh...okay.
User: Beerberian - big enough for two GB's | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Fingers; Well said ... and there are some things that are best discussed in english ... lol
User: lp | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: hey aus - thanks for the colour, that's great! - gwen introducing the police, though? what a shame, but whatever...anyway, email at yahoo.com up above when you have a second to spare...
yes, the police are genius in what they accomplished with a 3 piece band, i never tire of their releases, i would love a reunion too - sting could use a little humbling
hey i was at the 84 show too, carrier dome, syracuse new york
i also had the privilege and honor at seeing them in a smoky lounge club in
syracuse in 1979, if you can dig it - right before the world went nuts for them
- unforgettable
User: Fingers | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: MOCK TURTLE DUDE
Thanks for accepting that my
intentions were, and are, only for the good. It seems I've caused a major storm
in a teacup unwittingly. I set up the Dan Collective guestbook as a means for
our followers to meet and discuss, the band and Steely Dan in general, just as I
did with The Danny Steel Orchestra previously. It was NEVER intended to be a
global rival to the SDF GB. (for which I have the greatest respect and
admiration). It would have been simplicity itself to set the colours and layout
to my own design, in accordance with our own style etc, instead I felt it would
be an acknowledgement of Pat's work here to create a pastiche and put a smile on
people's faces.....how wrong I was! I have told Pat that I will happily
immediately alter the layout and style of our GB if he objects in any way.I
don't think he would hold back on his opinions..do you?
So...........I meant
well, I tried to applaud Pat's work...nothing more nor less. It is NOT my
intention to rob any posters, steal anyone from here...it's a guestbook for our
band first and foremost. The SDF GB will always be for me the prime focus for SD
debate globally.
This whole incident reveals an incredible level of paranoia amongst some folk.....abusive, aggressive postings, full of venom and threat..totally unnecessary and unacceptable amongst what should be civilized adults.
If people still question my motives then there's nothing more I can do to convince..they will believe what they choose to believe...despite the facts and the truth. If Pat is happy then that's all I need to hear.if he's not then I will happily change things.
User: Howard | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message:
Fingers - my ramblings on orchestras and cover bands
was a bit of a diversion from the main discussion...
To a degree, I take Clas' point that if someone spent their whole life *only* trying to reproduce the work of someone else, that's a narrow path and is of limited interest to others. To that person, though, it may have great value. How often have you heard engineers or mechanics saying that they like to take car engines apart, and then put them back together? Seems pointless in one way - the final product is just the same. BUT - the person learns an enormous amount in the process.
I think there's an analogous argument with cover/tribute bands - the process of dissecting the songs, understanding how all the parts fit, then trying to "put them all back together" gives a great deal of insight into the original work. Many of the best musicians will say they learned by copying solos etc from record, and trying to reproduce every little nuance of their favourite players (I've certainly heard Larry Carlton say that). You can build up a tremendous understanding of music that way.
I've certainly done a lot of that - working out the song (whether it's Joni Mitchell, Steely dan, Beatles...) and trying to copy the guitar part. In some cases, I've recorded cover versions - layering guitar parts, building up the vocal harmonies etc etc. In the process of this audio "rebuilding a car engine" I learned a hell of a lot (not only about the music, but the recording side too). The final results are maybe of limited interest to others, but that's fine.
What you do at the end of the "taking to bits then rebuilding" process is up to you.
You might write, record or perform your own material. Great! What you learned from all those classic songs will come out in one form or another, and - lets face it - many of the greats (Beatles, Steely Dan) have openly admitted stealing from others.
Or, you might form a tribute band and perform close copies or re-arranged versions of those songs. And, let's face it, people enjoy hearing that stuff. What the right balance between "faithful copy" and "interesting rearrangement" should be is a whole other area of duscussion. Personally, I prefer most solos to be different to the original - even if the album version is a classic (Dr Wu sax, Kid C guitar etc). A nice compromise is to quote a few verbatim phrases, then go off in your own direction, maybe following the contours of the recorded solo, but adding your own ideas. This is what Jon Herington did nicely on the tours - capture the essence of some classic solos, and yet rework them and add his own ideas to them.
I think as long as you are learning new stuff, and you enjoy the writing/playing/recording or whatever you do, then that sounds good to me.
Howard
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: C: almost, too many tics the first time ... .
re: the frites/fries - Stalin was very accurate in re-naming cities and to obliterate all traces from his predecessors. Looks like the GOPs works in the same field. When will you have maps exluding most parts of Europe?
L
User: db | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Clas: done !!!!
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Duncan - don't you have cliparts? What programs are you using? Email me, I could send you .eps files.
clas@ateljelundkvist.se
User: Duncan | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: HELP
local DJ requires ''musical notes'' on his
van.
Could someone send me a picture of some musical notes.
I don't what
they look like (why would I)
Thanks
User: Mock Turtle Dude | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: I don't write a lot but thought I would today.
Great report Aussie.
BTW, I saw on the blue that either or Elvis C or one of the attractions made a remark about Steely Dan. Something like, "He liked Steely Dan so I couldn't hire him as a our player on principle." Any truth to that? This is so cool to have an actual reporter who was there to confirm. How's your wife doing? Did she go too? (Maybe I missed it.)
French fries aren't even French and then the GOP has (gasp) renamed them "Freedom Fries." Like the war or not, what an embarrassment. I mean, fries are full of fat, bad carbs and carcinogens. The French think it's a joke that the Americans call them French fries and now they think it is a bigger joke that the name is being changed. If the GOP can't get this little thing right, think about what they are screwing up on a huge, global or nuclear scale. The GOP don't get it. It was the GOP who implemented the name change. I mean this is like 3rd grade behavior and these people represent us?
Fingers, I appreciate your offers to add to the land of Dan Fans but I respectfully disagree with your choice to clone the GB.
As we see him here, St Al is someone who shoots from the hip and doesn't use kid gloves for the most part. But in other instances, he defers to some healthy humility. St Al was very gracious when some others created GB clones in recent years. As a diplomatic guy he is, I don't think he is going to say, "no, don't do another GB" Obvisouly for someone who lets anything go here, he's not a control freak. Yet, I know from chat room chat that he wasn't exactly nuts about these other GB clones. I'd say "felt hurt" but I don't think those words are a good match to St Al.
With all due respect, I'm still struggling to understand how effectively splitting this place would be a homage to St Al. Forgive me if I am wrong, but as I understand it a homage is a nod, not a extensive duplication.
Still, I shouldn't try to crawl inside anyone's mind and will assume that you mean the best with your new GB. That said, while I don't like the abusive language of some other posters on this topic, I don't think the split is a good idea for all of us, despite your good intentions. The best part about this place is that we are all brought together for anything. To each his own I guess. My understanding, is that Steely Dan really like this place, which is why it is at the top of all their links lists. But if St Al privately thinks like I do, then I really encourage him to speak up privately to you since I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way. I think it would be bad for all of us to hop around and be so fragmented with EMG coming up. It's a world wide web and this is a great town hall.
User: bad sneakers | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: And DR Mu - You talk real sense when you talk music - Danny Wilson, then the Police ???? I could talk to you all day about those two (especially Danny Wilson / Gary Clark / King L)
User: Bad Sneakers | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Hey folks
When are we going to get a tribute band to Spinal Tap ????
But seriously - Live and let live ??? (or is that in itself the Wings tribute band ????)
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 12
Message: Lars - yepp, Christer Pettersson I was.
bam pa da dam bam ba ba ba ba dam dam tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic PANG! tic tic tic...
Did I get it right?
User: Aussie | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: Errata: "Clash introed by Tom Morello who's speech ..."
Should read: "...Clash introed by Tom Morello whose speech..."
Aus
Post Scriptte: My sources tell me VH-1 will air "their" version this coming Sunday, March 15, 2003. FYI.
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: C - You WERE Christer Petttersson! And that drum-solo ... . Hep-Stars was also kind of Tribute band.
L
User: C | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: Lars - I remember when we had this "Funny Hour" in school, me and my pals played "Cadillac". I was the drummer in Hep Stars.
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Roxanne - "May be you're the minority here when it come to 'your opinion'."
Yes, that's why I say "my opinion".
And no, I am not familair with small time cover bands at the east coast (I guess you're meaning the US-east coast?).
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: StAl: I would agree the CIA was out of control in 1975. But think of it this way: who does the killing? the gun or the criminal holding it? Nixon (and Kissinger) ordered the CIA (as well as FBI) to illegally attack Nixon's enemies, real and imagined. The CIA and FBI were used at home to gather info for dirty tricks often performed by Daddy G's "plumbers", the financial support of which were of course skimmed from RNC fund-raisng...
Aussie: Pump Me up for Sunday. I remember seeing one of the very last Police coincerts in 1984 (aside from the aborted reunion which I guess never became an entity out of the studio) - and I spent half of the show watching Copeland's arms move with Precision chaos and power. Another lost art in which he excelled: the bass drum - yes, it could be used for something besides a disco beat, and was integrated to great effect with the play of the snare and cymbals...Driven to Tears is a classic example...and Andy and Sting knew how to play off it - almost like andy was the rhythm section and Sting/Stewart were the melody & harmony if you know what I mean...
User: Mount Billzoni | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: So where's all this global warming when ya' really need it!
User: Floridavid | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: Thanks Aus...as usual a pleasurable read.
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: AUSSIE- Thanks for the report. Glad to hear you had a
blast. Ditto on The Police. THE POLICE SHOULD REFORM. The greatest band of the
eighties
need to do one more album and a real farewell tour. COME ON STEWART,
ANDY AND GORDON (STING), YOU'RE NOT DONE!
User: W1P | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: The Final Cut is a very interesting album although quite dark. Roger comes pretty close to bearing his soul on that record -- not that that's any fun for the listner. I think Your Possible Pasts and Not Now John are Floydian classics (got to bring the Russian bear to his knees. Well maybe not the Russians, how about the Swedes?) Tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands, tribute bands. I just can't get enough.
User: Aussie | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: Last night at the Waldorf Astoria, the eighteenth annual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremonies took place. We stayed in the Waldorf's Tower suites and proceeded to get very primed on a few bottles of the bubbly being that this year's class of inductees included one of your's truly favourites, Elvis Costello and the Attractions.
The following is an abridged, quick and dirty colour commentary:
Most of the evening was peppered with plenty of anti-war sentiment, perhaps the most underscored came from none other than Mr. Neil Young...don't know if most of his statements will make the VH-1 public broadcast, which I think will be delayed until this coming weekend.
Righteous Brothers introduced by Billy Joel (who made some very funny comments about crashing into trees and detox blues!!!)launch into "You've Lost that Loving Feeling". Most of seated crowd sang along...very nice touch.
Elton John introduces Elvis Costello and the Attractions.....great vintage footage of the group shown on the screen just to the left of the stage in the Waldorf's Grand Ballroom.....priceless. Performed: "Pump it Up", "Deep Dark Truthful Mirror/You Really got a Hold on Me" and the covver they made so famous, "(What's so Funny About) Peace Love and Understanding".
Feted next was Reprise Record's Mo Ostin (who was also former CEO of Warner Brothers)....
Clash introed by Tom Morello who's speech was imbued with heartfelt emotion...entire ballroom captivated by video shown and real sense of loss felt over Joe Strummer. The Edge from U2 also followed with some interesting colour on the Clash.
Ageless heartthrob badboy of Rock and Roll Steven Tyler introes ACDC. The WALLS were shaking when they stormed out with "Highway to Hell". "You Shook me All Night Long" was also done perfectly.
By far the highlight of the evening was the long awaited reunion of The
Police. Gwen Stefani had the honours to intro. These guys have not lost a single
step. Seriously. A clearly hyped crowd of fellow rockers let them know it too.
Mr. Stewart Copeland is vintage, flawless, and his mastery of the rapid cymbal
assault (what I personally thought was long his signature) is still very much in
tact. By far, the most visually aged member, Andy Summers, he nonetheless tore
thru reggae imbued chords and, ahem, ahem, his Fripp influence shone bright on
stage. (Paul Schaeffer, was AGAIN, an annoying presence on the stage all night
long by the way).
Sting is Sting. He was awesome. They were awesome. They
really need to re group for real.....
Performed: "Roxanne", "Message in a
Bottle".
The obligatory "all-star" jam was the Police's Every Breath You take" which was played ad infinitum.
Great evening.
No elevator run-ins but Plenty of in the flesh run-ins.
Aus
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: Hey, that's two days before the war.
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_9.html
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: RRHOF Ceremony airing on Sunday 3/16? Thanks Snakie. :-)
Aussie: Where's your colour???????? Any elevator stories, this year?
Speaking of steeling my CD's...my little one stole my Police CD years ago. I may never get it back. :-)
User: sh | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message:
LP - can you get cable by Sunday 3/16? lol
I read that's when the RR Hall of Fame show will be broadcast on VH1. I'm looking forward to seeing the Police and Elvis Costello. Even my daughter said "AD/DC in the Hall of Fame - sheesh!" And she's listening to Jack Johnson these days too...guess I'll have to borrow it :-) She owes me since she ripped off my best of Al Green cd a long time ago...
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: I like the idea of a "tribute band". The whole point makin those tributes lies in sound & look-alike and that point is absurd. Grown up men ... . Weired. The only reason for doin it is to continue what we as children used to do when we pretended to be the real thing. Funny. I always wanted to be Paul McCartney when we were the Beatles, with my sisters tennis-racket held left. The suckers outcome was George Harrison ... . I cant see Will Lee as Paul McCartney. He hasn't the looks and from what I can recall he's righthanded. "Tribute band"-wise Dan doesn't seem to be half as funny. Walter Becker just standing there playing his single-note solos(how funny is that?) and Donald doing his Ray Charles posing ... . No way.
Anyone for John Entwistle or Bill Wyman?
User: Randy | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message:
Saw some earlier postings concerning "Sunday music"
and thought I'd throw out a "latest listening," which is sometimes interesting
(dependent upon how many Dansters contribute to the thread):
1. Van Morrison - 'Inarticulate Speech of the Heart' (1983)
2. James
McMurtry - 'Where'd You Hide The Body' (1995)
3. Stan Getz - 'The Steamer'
(1956)
4. Pink Floyd - 'The Final Cut' (1983)
5. Crosby-Nash - 'Graham
Nash/David Crosby' (1972)
6. Miles Davis - 'In A Silent Way' (1969)
7.
Miles Davis - 'Quiet Nights' (1962)
8. Tori Amos - 'Scarlet's Walk'
(2002)
9. Steely Dan - 'Two Against Nature' (2000)
10. Genesis - 'Duke'
(1980)
11. James Taylor - 'Dad Loves His Work' (1981)
12. Rickie Lee Jones
- 'Pirates' (1981)
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: bassicinstinct | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message:
Clas:
Surely your village must be missing it's idiot by now?
User: Fingers | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: HOWARD
Got your point..still don't agree with it totally but hey....I have no problem with anyone doing whatever they like musically.....it takes all sorts...thank goodness. Me, I'm just an average player who's into The Dan....no songwriter, no singer (haven't the talent)......for me it's all about fun and satisfaction, playing the best music around with good friends up at the pub....no harm done, no earth shaken, better than watching the tv or mowing the lawn.
The phantom post lifter is 172.155.20.197 if you'd like a quiet word in his ear?
Good to discuss points with you...it's what we're all (supposedly) free to do
here in the western world.
cheers, Paul
User: Roxanne | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: Clas...There is a Beatles tribute/cover band here on the east coast of the U.S.A called The Fab Faux. All they play is Beatles songs! They get an average of 600-800 people a show. May be you're the minority here when it come to "your opinion". Oh by the way..."The Fab Faux" is fronted by Will Lee and Jimmy Vivino. Two of the most well- respected musicians in this country (and both have played with Steely Dan) So Clas, what I'm trying to say is...SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS!
User: lp | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: no guys, the musician's name is jack johnson - lollolololol!!!!!
but i have heard the miles' one you referred to
happy tuesday!
aus - where's the review buddy - i don't have cable, so i couldn't watch the tv version on vh-1
User: Clas | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: Steeve - don't be upset now. But this Guestbook has been overloaded with Tribute bands since BobLovesBob arrived 8 years ago. Are you saying I am not allowed to have an opinion on these?
Listening to a Steely Dan Tribute band can be done in two ways;
-Wow, they managed to put the snare in the backyard, at the exactly same place as Purdie did 1976.
Or in this way; Oh my God, there's only ONE Donald Fagen, what are they doing?
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Be cool now Steeve.
By the way, who "are" you in your Tribute band? Omartian? Don Grolnik?
Ha!
User: SteveeDan - a multi-faceted musician | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: Clas - are you aware of how you constantly contradict yourself? YOU give it a break. Why do you care so much about what I do with my tribute band? Your desperation is showing. Give it up. You make absolutely no sense. You keep trying to paint a picture of musicians in tribute bands as people who don't play any other type of music, or that they don't make their own music, or play on other people's studio recordings, or, etc.
The more you persist on trying to "win" an argument over this non-issue the more clear it is that you are simply manufacturing something trivial out of nothing.
Focus your attention on your sequencer or something.
SteveeDan
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: LP - I too noticed your mention of the Jack Johnson CD. If that's Miles Davis' ... you've got one of my all-time favorite records. Play it in the background while you attend to other things around the house. Parts will creep into your ears and you will hear it in a different way (In A Silent Way ?). Especially the part where it fades in and out just before the really funky repetitive John McLaughlin riff.
Hey Fingers - glad to see that you've started a new guestbook. I hope that you get plenty of traffic there. As far as skimming posters off of this site ... stupid. It ain't gonna happen. I wish you great success with the new site ... in fact, I think I will take a look at it right now.
SteveeDan
User: clarification | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: SteeveDan - the original, as in being yourself.
C
User: C @ W | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: Howard - yes, that's the case. Thank you for your superb English.
SteeveDan - so you settle for being close to the original rather than be the original? Sorry man, I just don't get it.
And enough of this shit now.
User: Beerberian big enough for two GB's | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: Howard; Looks like the same guy causing friction "lifted" your posting on to TDC GB .....if The tag line is any guide ... looks like a little mischief making in the colonies ?
User: Howard | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: lp - are you talking bout the Miles "Jack Johnson" album? If so, what do you think? Very funky, no?
council for the defence: though I don't necessarily disagree with your more
general point about tribute bands, it's misleading to say that orchestras and
classical performers are equivalent to tribute bands.
These guys don't have
a reference performance by the composer that they can listen to. The
instructions on how the music should be played exist only as dots on paper, so
they have to use their judgement as to how to actually create the music (i.e.
interpret the dots).
With Steely Dan, recorded performances of their music
by the composers obviously *do* exist - so there exists a reference performance
to which any other versions can be compared. It's a subtle but very important
difference.
The only exceptions in the classical world are with more modern composers (e.g Stravinsky) who made recordings of their pieces while conducting the orchestra themself. If the composer is on the record as saying that he thought that a particular recording he made is "close to perfection" then a composer-endorsed reference performance does exist. Usually this is not the case.
When tribute bands try to reproduce and/or rearrange an SD song, they are paying tribute to a particular performance of that song. A direct comparison can be made between what the composers had in mind (play the alum track) and what the tribute band comes up with. When orchestras play Bach they (and the conductor) are interpreting Bach's dots and squiggles and coming up with what they judge are the kind of sounds that Bach had in mind when writing the dots and squiggles. Nobody knows for sure how Bach actually wanted his dots and squiggles to be performed, so the debates and different interpretations will continue for many years...
I see that one one of my posts to this book has been copied and pasted into the new dan collective GB. I've nothing against my stuff being copied like this, but I would much prefer it if the fact that it *was* a copy, made by someone else, was made clear.
E.g by adding "copied from the SIS guestbook and posted here by XXXX" or something similar...
Howard
User: Beerberian of the North | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: Behind St Al; Hiding no doubt ?
User: Fingers | Month: 2 | Day: 11
Message: I have created our pastiche GB in HOMAGE to St.Al's work here......!
I have also asked him for permission to continue in the same vein....not
wanting to "steal" anybody, not ripping anyone off....merely hoping to expand
the opportunities for Steely Dan talk across the net and especially here in the
UK
Do you really believe you'll be losing any posters here? Might you not
acquire a few more from our UK end? The more the merrier I say!
This SDF GB is superb, open minded and a joy to participate in apart from posters who display xenophobic paranoid aggression.If St.Al has any objection whatsoever to what we are doing then I have told him I will alter our GB immediately. There is obviously an irony bypass in some people's minds! Shall we allow the creator of this GB to make the final judgement? Jeez you can't even compliment someone without being slagged off! Chill out!
User: Bill | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Pat,
You're right I am outnumbered on this board in so far as my
political
viewpoints are concerned but that aint the reason I come here so
who
cares? Standing up for what you believe in the face of great
opposition
from persons without the sense to know better is what separates
the men
from the boys wouldn't you say?
You have a prejudiced viewpoint as far as the government is concerned
but
who cares? I mean it makes little sense to converse with you on a
political level because you approach the subject with a mind full
of
pre-concieved ideas and the facts be damned. It would be easier to
convince a group of radical skinheads that maybe they might be viewing
the subject from a pre-concieved viewpoint which is clouding thier
overall ability to accept certain facts. But hey, to each his own as
they
say.
Politics and religion are two subjects that different people in see in
different ways. To bring either subject into a conversation is sure to
cause an argument, but to bring the subjects up when you have
absolutely
no control over the direction of either one is kind of silly in
my
opinion, and in the end what is resolved? Is the world a different
place
because we've recorded an opinion which is lost from the
collective
consciousness 24 hours after it is posted? Heck no.
User: Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Well the ol Isotope level must be pretty darn high...lol The crazies are out in droves. Time to use my Chat-slayer skills!
User: lp, leaving work | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: did anyone catch that i purchased the jack johnson cd (2000 release, see, i'm catching up)
lol
User: Behind St Al | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Hey Shotan
Take your little copy-cat guestbook and shove it up your ass. This place is a lot of fucking work and St Al busts his ass and tolerates all sorts of shit on our behalf After 8 years of his hard work, you bust his balls by backstabbing him with a complete rip off of his place. Then you post on your site, it's not about ego. BULLSHIT! You are just hell-bent on making yourself look like king. You are like George Bush or Saddam Hussein, looking to break us all up, you little selfish ego monger.
You have a lot of fucking nerve to come on here and post your URL to steal away people and break up our little group. Without Pat you wouldn't know how to create a guestbook or even have met the people you have, you selfish bastard. You don't have an original idea.
We're behind you Pat!
User: Behind St Al | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Hey Shotan
Take your little copy-cat guestbook and shove it up your ass. This place is a lot of fucking work and St Al busts his ass and tolerates all sorts of shit on our behalf After 8 years of his hard work, you bust his balls by backstabbing him with a complete rip off of his place. Then you post on your site, it's not about ego. BULLSHIT! You are just hell-bent on making yourself look like king. You are like George Bush or Saddam Hussein, looking to break us all up, you little selfish ego monger.
You have a lot of fucking nerve to come on here and post your URL to steal away people and break up our little group. Without Pat you wouldn't know how to create a guestbook or even have met the people you have, you selfish bastard. You don't have an original idea.
We're behind you Pat!
User: Babble on SISters | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: "The Boston Rag"- the UK's brand new SD SISter site.
http://www.thedancollective.co.uk/cgi-bin/guestbook.cgi
User: TBC | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: In defence of Clas - He did have a reasonable drum sound on his demo
That may mean that he had a decent engineer producing it though - And as for slagging Brian Bromberg
POTS CALLING KETTLE BLACK ???
Ding ding ding, ding ding ding, ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding
It is - Its Hill Street Blues Man - Its Hill St Blues
Keep takin' dem' blues
User: Roving Reportre | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: testing the private funcionality:
Now, what do you
want to bet that Aussie "meets" Stuart Copeland, or something? Has a drink with
Sting or Andy Summers.
I'm beginning to doubt his story about meeting Walter.
Anyway, hope you're well.........
User: YGK | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: St. Al: c'mon man piss more people off! and stop apologizing for this place.........
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Jimbo: I heard the Police will perform. All of them -- Andy, Sting and the gimp -- Stewart. Aussie is a lucky bastard.
Have to really question the whole Doors tour? Did Manzerek really think that having Copeland drum for them would add credibility. Maybe we should start calling them "Doors" instead of "The Doors"
StAl
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Bill: Where did Hoops say that? Even though he's right if that's what you want out of a message board.
Let me explain something here. This guestbook is very fluid in it's approach. I see this place as virtual meeting place were inhabitants of the greater Dandom can discuss whatever topic they choose. Like the neighborhood coffee shop or barbershop, whatever. In this case the topic that binds us Steely Dan, and there is plenty of Steely Dan discussion here. Especially when there is something to actually talk about other than retreads of past discussions. But, like any community gathering place, conversations include all sorts of topics. Political, social, the whore down the street and the positive affects of boob glitter.
The problem lately is we've been discussing some controversial issues. And, I agree, the tone has become rather ominous and is probably a turn off to many. I intend to scale back my political postings. But as is often the case, many people only see the stuff that bothers them and respond accordingly and the tension level grows. Especially when you're outnumbered like yourself...:)
This site probably receives 3 times the amount of posts other forums receive. The reason for this is none of us feel as if they need to think up some esoteric Steely Dan connection every time they post something. Thank goodness because I find the later rather dry and boring. You'd be surprised how many people actually view this site on a daily basis. It's like watching a train wreck. I like it when you slap the shit out of me on this message board. Gives me something to look forward to. I'm weird that way.
Point is. Why do people get all pissed off about the content of this message board when, after 8 years, it should be pretty clear what you'll find here? I don't get it?
StAl
User: duncan | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Ref ''sunday music'' & in particular Sociable Hermit
It's the great Michael Parkinson sunday supplimentin our house.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/parkinson/
It's fantastic chat & music every week..this week's guest Steve ''shoot me if you see me near a boat'' Redgrave
I was going to post just a link, but excuse me if i don't
In the last fortnight we've enjoyed...
Title: 'BEGIN THE BEGUINE'
Artist: TONY BENNETT
Title: 'THEM THERE EYES'
Artist: CARMEN MCRAE
Title: 'THEY CAN'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME'
Artist: ROD STEWART....not
really
Title: 'NO STRINGS'
Artist: BILLY MAY
Title: 'POLKA DOTS AND MOONBEAMS'
Artist: EMMA PASK
Title: 'AIN'T NO SUNSHINE'
Artist: BILL WITHERS
Title: 'LITTLE GIRL BLUE'
Artist: ANITA O'DAY
Title: 'THE BIRTH OF THE BLUES'
Artist: CHRIS DEAN & THE SYD LAWRENCE
ORCHESTRA
Title: 'I SAY A LITTLE PRAYER'
Artist: DIONNE WARWICK
Title: 'BOUNCE'
Artist: ART GARFUNKEL (have you seen his kids hair
!!!!!!!)
Title: 'LET'S BEGIN'
Artist: MARGARET WITH ORCH. CB RUSS GARCIA WHITING
Title: 'THAT'S LIFE'
Artist: FRANK SINATRA
Title: 'EVERYTHING IS MOVING TOO FAST'
Artist: MARIA MULDAUR
Title: 'THE LONG AND WINDING ROAD'
Artist: THE BEATLES
Title: 'GET HAPPY'
Artist: ELLA FITZGERALD
Title: 'SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME'
Artist: ELLA FITZGERALD
Title: 'MANHATTAN'
Artist: ELLA FITZGERALD
Title: 'ALMOST THERE'
Artist: ANDY WILLIAMS
Title: 'TIME AFTER TIME'
Artist: CARLY SIMON
Title: 'I GOT RHYTHM'
Artist: BOBBY DARIN
Title: 'IT'S NICE TO GO TRAV'LING'
Artist: FRANK SINATRA
Title: 'MY BABY JUST CARES FOR ME'
Artist: NATALIE COLE
Title: 'DON'T GET AROUND MUCH ANYMORE'
Artist: STEVE TYRELL
Title: 'NORWEGIAN WOOD'
Artist: COUNT BASIE
Title: 'AIN'T MISBEHAVIN''
Artist: PETER CINCOTTI
Title: 'CHARMED LIFE'
Artist: DIANA KRALL
Title: 'ALL TOO SOON'
Artist: STACEY KENT
Title: 'BRAND NEW DAY'
Artist: STING (ouch...)
Title: 'GET BACK'
Artist: THE BEATLES
Title: 'I WISH I KNEW HOW IT WOULD FEEL TO BE'
Artist: NINA SIMONE
Title: 'AS TIME GOES BY'
Artist: PEGGY LEE
Title: 'MONA LISA'
Artist: NAT KING COLE
Title: 'MOCKINGBIRD'
Artist: CARLY SIMON
Title: 'I WISHED ON THE MOON'
Artist: BILLIE HOLIDAY
Title: 'APRIL IN PARIS'
Artist: BILLIE HOLIDAY
Title: 'STARS FELL ON ALABAM'
Artist: BILLIE HOLIDAY
Title: 'GIVE A LITTLE BIT'
Artist: SUPERTRAMP
Title: 'I LOVE BEING HERE WITH YOU'
Artist: ERNESTINE ANDERSON
Title: 'BASIN STREET BLUES'
Artist: LOUIS ARMSTRONG
having said all that my favourite single out at the moment is by i
think....
ruby manfu.. ''sugar sugar'' smacks of cousin dupree in my own mind
steve/beers don't feed the clas...lol
Moll: made me laugh also...
thanks
Dano: ferchristsakeskeepyakitonwillyawhenyameetlinda!!!
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Aussie- Thanks for one part of the info. But will The Police perform?
Other than that, have a great night. Let us know what happened.
User: council for the defence | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: STEVEEDAN
Glad to put a case for us "losers"! The
prosecuted arguement is unfounded, illogical and finally, plain pointlessly
boring. We've all heard too much garbage that is in place purely on the grounds
of it's novelty. This does not equate to superiority or greatness.......I wish
that would sink in and save us all from so many wailing, whingeing, self
centered clasholes.
Patricide...killing one's
father
Matricide...............mother
Countryside.........knocking Clas on
the head?
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: I have to agree with Hoops Mckay, too damned much
political bullshit Pat.
Figure out what the purpose of your site is and let
us know okay?
You and Janeane Garofalo are making us as sick already.
(How many times do
the talking heads want to put her plain-jane ass up
on the screen
anyway?)
User: The Barfly | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: New SISter guestbook site at: http://www.thedancollective.co.uk/cgi-bin/guestbook.cgi
"THE BOSTON RAG" is available worldwide 24/7
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Hi Beers and Council for the Defense ... of Tribute Bands. Well, ... there again goes our comrade Clas ... clinging to his belief that people who copy the music of others have no real talent or imagination.
It is foolish and myoptic to assume that the musicians that pay tribute to the music of other artists never play their own compositions ... or improvise. That's too simple a concept. It simply is not true. In the case of myself and my fellow Pretzel Logicians while it is true that there are some signature solos that we insist on playing, such as (on guitar) the Carlton solos from Kid Charlemagne, the Intro to Don't Take Me Alive, and Third World Man, or (on keyboard) the solos from Black Cow, and Glamour Profession, there are plenty of other places where we take our own solos. For me, it's Green Earrings. I have played this song live over 20 times and I have never played the same solo twice ... and I have the video tape from each gig to prove it.
Many people in the band play in many different bands as well as playing recording sessions ... and some have even released CDs of their own compositions.
Clas we have been over this again and again. If you need me to agree with you on this matter here's what I would tell you:
I too would find (to a minor extent) that a musician who ONLY plays the music of one other artist to be a bit lacking in imagination. But I also would have to add that the artist that is being copied would have to be one who's music is so simple that watching a tribute performance of this artist would be as exciting as watching paint dry.
But Clas this is not the case with the Steely Dan tribute bands that I have seen, nor with Which One's Pink? (HI DJ), nor with Project Object (Zappa), nor with Led ZepAgain, etc., etc.
I hope that this sheds some light upon this subject. Glad to be of service.
SteveeDan
User: council for the defence.....blinkered v Steveedan | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: C&W
Oh well on your criteria I guess we have to
agree that The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, The Boston Phil.... etc are just
run of the mill tribute bands. All they ever do is rehash that same old
fashioned stuff Bach, Beethoven, Grieg ....you know...a bunch of losers..not
creating their own music...mere copyists....(bye bye too all those sadsack
performers...Rubenstein, Julian Bream, Perlmann and such...copyists!!!)
In the absence of the real thing (D&W) we turn happily to tribute bands and relish the reinterpretations they conjure in "copying" this stunning music for their local audience....they may not aspire to be writers...they are however great musicians...ok, artisans if you will. No shame in that my friends. If ya don't like it...don't go...support your singer songwriters cafes.......we have no problem with whatever floats your particular boat! It's music one way or another.......hang loose, relax...go to the local life store......and get one!
User: Sociable Hermit | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message:
Hey All,
Sunday Music.
Funny, that's exactly what we call it in my house. The tradition started back in the mid-to-late 80's when I lived in L.A. There was a radio station that aired a 3 hour (I think) program of nothing but Sinatra music. God, I loved that. I listened to it every weekend. Then, later on back in Chicago, I got hooked in to the public radio station, WBEZ. Every Sunday a D.J. named Dick Buckley would helm a program of traditional jazz, ("the good old good ones", is how he put it), and "Big bands that played jazz". My wife and I listened to it every Sunday, continuing on after the program ended with our own cd's and albums. Now, living once again in L.A., every Sunday is filled with nothing but that kind of music. Sinatra, Basie, Goodman, Dean Martin, Sweets Edison, Glenn Miller, etc. Sometime the neighbors think we're nuts, I mean, one day we've got rock blaring from our windows, then the next day, it's Doris Day. Oh well, variety is the spice of life.
St. Al ~ That might make for a good poll. Favorite non-rock bands or artists. Favorite jazz. Favorite vocalists. Just a thought.
Later,
Herm
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Funny, it sure is Pat. Casino Nation.
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Did anyone watch 60 Minutes last night? Specifically, did anyone see Clinton SPANK Dole in their short debate on the value of a Bush's asinine tax cut?
Mu: I saw that piece on the History Channel. Can't have it both ways, man. That executive order Ford signed was a very good idea. The CIA was out-of-control. The downside is when things like that incident occur our hands are tied. A worthwhile trade off in my opinion. Hypocritical, but still important. One thing Clinton's administration suffered from was lack of leadership and decisive control. Often because his hands were tied because of issues such as this. In hindsight he would have been a hero. At the time he could have been throw in jail.
Funny world we live in, ain't it?
StAl
User: Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Fife, Honey I think Bush and his cronies are so old and dried up, they've forgot what sex is.. The only thing that gets them excited is increasing their net worth. Somehow I don't think breasts (glittered or otherwise) will make much of an impression...lmao BTW, I was kinda impressed that Clinton could run the Country and still be that sexual. Beats taking naps like Reagan anyday!
User: Howard | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Sunday morning music - Bach, Debussy (especially the piano stuff), Monk, Joni, Brubeck.
An anonymous poster asked: "Pat, Has it occured to you that there isn't any concrete evidence of WMD's because the Iraqi government won't allow the inspectors 100 percent access to thier country?"
So... why isn't the answer to this, put every pressure on Iraq to comply with inspections ASAP? If they fail to comply with specific demands, you have guaranteed international support for further action. Or, if they *do* comply - you find out if they really do have chemical/biological weapons - and then the inspectors destroy those.
Personally, I think it is highly likely that Iraq does possess chemical and
biological weapons, but I'd really like to see some hard evidence.
If the US
and the UK storm in there and bomb the country to f*ck, we will never know. Then
it's just a question of trust - do you trust the US (or UK) when they say "They
*did* have WMD, that's why we started the war, and now we have blown them all up
and Iraq is now free of WMD."
Saw an interesting interview of Rumsfled a few days ago. Some good hard
questioning - including questions about why Iraq was *removed* from the US' list
of terrorist nations (yes, removed!) just before Rumsfeld started his meetings
with Saddam to establish ties with Iraq and to start selling them truck loads of
stuff.
Some other questions about the chemical and biological materials
(including poisons and disease causing agents) that were sold to Iraq by the US.
Yes, many countries (including France, the UK, Germany) sold weapons and
materials to Iraq at this time that had "dual purpose" uses - but for Rumsfeld
to deny that the US was making money by selling such chemical and biological
agents to Iraq (at the same time as pointing the finger at France) is a bit
much.
At the time he started his visits, Rumsfeld was also well aware that
Iraq was using chemical weapons on an "almost daily basis" againt Iran - but
that didn't seem to bother him too much then.
Howard
User: C & Western | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Beerb - it has to be some sort of creativity, sitting with ears close to the speakers trying to find out the right chord-changes and the solos. The average guy, say dr Aspberger, couldn't do it.
And as for insults, as; "close to the original", meaning:
-Well guys, you couldn't create something from your own heart and mind, so you copied Steely Dan, Jaco, the Beatles, or whatever, instead. Note for note, bend for bend, SO close to the original.
You almost got there.
User: Beerberian | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Clas; You say " What a fucking insult! "Oh, so close to the original!"."
But surely that would depend on the original ???
Is there not creativity in an inspired interpretation of an original ?
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Which reminds me of when I was a young starving artist, back in the early seventies. I met this beautiful girl at a happening. I asked her to follow me home, for some tea and a piece of cake. And she did.
Late we arrived to my place, she followed me to the kitchen and I told her to sit down while I prepared the nocturnal meal.
When I opened the refrigerator I stared into emptiness. I didn't know what to say to her, so I fell down on my knees, singing:
Roses are red / Violets are blue / and I only have ice for you...
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Lars - det var angsende Bills mognad.
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: SteeveDan - blunders? I said that I'm not want to hear more of of these copycats. And if he plays better than Jaco himself, well, I don't give a shit.
And I have never said that I am a good musician, but at least I'm doing my own stuff. It's called creativity.
If you want to copy the Steely Dan down to the ground, that's your problem, the only compliment you'll get is:
-Oh, so close to the original!
What a fucking insult! "Oh, so close to the original!".
User: Clas | Month: 2 | Day: 10
Message: Lars - I don't think he will.
User: Aussie | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: Jimbo:RRHOF induction ceremony tomorrow night at the Waldorf Astoria in New York City. I will be there representing....
Aus
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: Is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction this Monday?
Is there anyone on the GB going and any word on whether The Police will perform?
User: fiferoni | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: okay i guess my solution for this mess that bush is going to put ya'll in is you must all become obsessed with glitter boobs and sex. How can you think of war if your thinking about sex? You can't. Why do you think clinton was such a peaceful lad. He was obsessed with sex of course. Monica always made sure her boobs were heavily glittered. Just put bush and saddam in a room with a 100 pairs of glitter boobs, if that doesn't cure them what will?
User: Aussie | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: Tonight at the Screen Actors Guild awards ceremony in Los Angeles, California, Christopher Walken (who was the winning nominee for best actor in a supporting role in film) gave thanks to Sue Mingus. Very interesting.
Aus
User: Peace4Every1 | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: ááá
The United States appears to be heading for war.
Let us turn the power of our consciousness in the direction of planetary
healing, bearing witness with our mind's eye to a great light pouring onto the
earth and dissolving the darkness of hatred and fear.
Please join with us every morning as you awaken, and every night before
sleep, in closing your eyes, seeing the planet as from outer space, embracing it
tenderly and placing it in the hands of God. Pray for Osama Bin Laden and Saddam
Hussein (In the book of Matthew, Jesus says we are to pray for our enemies and
bless those who curse us), as well as George Bush. Ask God's Spirit to join the
peoples of the world in love and peace, removing all the barriers that obstruct
the natural flow of His love.
Pray for angels to surround this country
and every country, as a mystical shield of protection and blessing. See angels
around ever airport and airplane, every nuclear facility, the Golden Gate
Bridge, etc. Say particular prayers for the blessing and protection of the
community in which you live.
When it comes to world events today, what we need is a miracle. Let's pray for just that, knowing, in the words of A Course in Miracles, that "Miracles occur naturally as an expression of love." If each of us spend time in meditation every day, allowing love to flow from our hearts to all living things throughout the world, the energies of the planet will shift.
Please Pray:
Dear God,
Please bless this earth,
and the precious life that lives
upon it.
Dismantle, dear God,
the anger in our hearts.
Miraculously
reconnect us all,
that we might live as brothers,
for indeed we
are.
Cast out all violence
from everyone,
everywhere.
Thank you,
God.
Amen
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In the spirit of building more deeply non-violent social and political structures, we invite you join with us as we participate in a concerted, strategic grass-roots effort to support Congressman Dennis Kucinich's proposed legislation to establish a Cabinet-level Department of Peace within the Executive Branch of the U.S. Government. Please visit our website at http://www.renaissancealliance.org to find out how you can get involved!
User: Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: This Sunday's music....
Started out with Bob Dylan's
Oh Mercy, went on to Stevie Ray Vaughan's Texas Flood, next Johnny Cash's
American IV... new song "Hurt" is awesome. Then dug out John Hiatt's Greatest
Hits. Now, currently listening to Sonny Landreth's The Road We're On.
Facey,
Thanks for e-mail. Was too funny... I needed the laugh.
Fingers, hey bud!
*kisses and hugs* Hope all is well your way. Did I mention I'm a blonde now....
lol
Fife, I love Jeff Healey. I saw him in concert a few years
back.
Deacon, it was nice meeting up with you again. *hugs*
Jaz, fire up
the ambulance....it's time for a road trip. The Archie's reunion tour will have
to struggle by without you for awhile. I'm missin you Sugarman.
Where the
hell is Danorak these days?
off to enjoy this sunshine.
User: Aja....................(*) (*) | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: lp has hit the nail on the head-boob glitter will prevent this war! All the GB babes will march into the U.N. wearing nothing but boob glitter (we'll have lp going in first, of course) and all those missile totin' men will forget what they were arguing about. Just like they did here.
Think of the Steely Dan song THAT will make..........
Aja
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: last thing - The History Channel interviewed CIA agents and reveiled Clinon's own Bay of Pigs in Iraq. The CIA agents wanted to support a coup they were planning with Iraq Generals and Kurds back in 1995. While the CIA agents would have to look the other way regarding an assassination effort (due to Gerald Ford's executive order banning assasinations in 1975), they and air power could have provided significant support. The Clinton adminsitration refused to answer the calls for help. Needless to say the plot failed just as in 1961...This makes little sense, as we were bombing Iraq every single day during the Clinton admin. anyway (I've had contact with pilots who did it)...
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: last thing - The History Channel interviewed CIA agents and revieled Clinon't won Bay of Pig in Iraq. The CIA agents wanted to support a coup they were planning with Iraq Generals and Kurds back in 1995. While the CIA agents would have to look the other way regarding an assassination effort (due to Gerald Ford's executive order banning assasination in 1975), they and air power could have provided significant support. The Clinton adminsitration refused to answer the calls for help. Needless to say the plot failed just as in 1961...This makes little sense, as we were bombing Iraq every single day during the Clinton admin. anyway (I've had contact with pilots who did it)...
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: StAl: It's only irrelevant in your mind - if your teacher couldn't train it, it's too late for me..the UN has been ineffective in virtually every instance except Gulf War I, and we did most of the work - and because of the UN, Bush41 didn't finish the job...
Powell and Blair have presented plenty. He had them in 1998 and kicked out the inspectors. Even without the intelligence which is substantial (there are hundreds of Iraqi defectors who contradict your point of view including those who MADE THE WEAPONS FOR SADDAM, human nature dictates that guys like Saddam NEVER back down unilaterally without pressure. Look, the dude has a sophisticated torture chamber where nitric acid drops randomly from piipes and the victims dance around naked with their hads tied behind their back ontil they tell Saddam what he wants or they die. You've also missed the point of the UN resolutions (17 of them) - 1441 said it's Saddam's responsibility to DISARM, as agreed in the cease fire. We need just five inspectors and a tract of desert. The Iraq Republican guard then lays them all out there. I give up - if humor and logic can't do it...
My main concern is that WMD (which the Iraqis don't have of course ;-0) will be used on our troops in a siege of Baghdad. Saddam along with Al Qaeda have had too much time to develop a plan due to the UN stringing this out. They will also deliberately kills thousands of their won citizens before its all over. On the History Channel last night, it was not surprising to hear Saddam's favorite reads as a teen in thug training were Hitler and Stalin...
Mr Stewart: Interesting articles in the Houston Chronicle today regarding the TAAS and transition into the TAKS
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/special/schools/03/1804557
"Uri Treisman, director of the University of Texas' Charles A. Dana Center in Austin, said the TASS has been EFFECTIVE in raising the achievement levels of POOR students who have trouble mastering basic skills"
"That's...the hallmark of a successful system, that you outgrow the
test,,,and evolve to a more rigorous system with more breadth" said Criss Cloudt
- Texas Educational Agency
User: fiferoni | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: sunday morning listening to Jeff Healey, canadian blues guy, R.E.M., and Tacey Chapman. Unfortunately the one positive with bush's determination to go to war, the canadian dollar is gaining ground and our economy is doing well, though Chretien has made quite clear he'll only go to war if sanctioned by the UN, but you can't trust a fucking politician; any of them.
User: Flag Waving, anti-bush | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: Click the "Homepage" URL link at the top of this post or go to http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/09/opinion/09CART.html
Pretty much sums it all up in one point. And just think if Colin Powell didn't noodge Bush into trying the UN at all. We'd already be at war.
I predict Persian Gulf II will become a huge mess, a bloodbath. Don't make any major purchases because our economy is on it's way into the toilet.
Because of the US's strained relationships with the rest of the world, our communication will not be as good and we will miss vital info about Terrorist cells. Sympathizers will get N. Korea's plutonium and make a bomb, nking the San Andreas Fault, and then fallout across the rest of the USA, making water undrinkableable and all farmland contaminated. I'm scared DC will get nuked too and everyone will feel "Oh How could they do this to our great country?"
Time for regime change in the USA, if you ask me. And oh yeah, by the way, given the standards we impose on Iraq, shouldn't we have the same for Israel? I mean, the US doesn't even recognize the democratically (and it is pretty truly democratic) elected head of Palastine.
Not a big churchgoer but was goosed into going today. The minister had a boring talk in which he went over the seven sins. But then my ears perked up when he discussed "pride" which he defined as "blindly believing one's self to be superior without considering humility at all." Immediately, I thought of Bush and those the USA running around with "American Pride" and "these colors don't run" signs.
Another thought. Let me get this straight: we are going in to Iraq to enforce sanctions set down by the UN 11 years ago, even though the UN doesn't want us to, let alone that the UN doesn't give us permission to occupy Iraq with our forces.
All I can think of is how the Bushees steamrolled their way through the Florida election insisting all ballots had been counted when they clearly hadn't. They created an atmospher that they were right, rather than "let's consider what is just and fair in getting all voters heard.' They did that then, and now the Bushees are doing that here.
Everyone bitches about Clinton's marital problems and his affair in the White House, yet they turn a blind eye when Bush's manipulations and abuse of power will lead millions to death.
Some feel this is about Oil. I think it is about Saddam trying to off George H. and W. getting revenge. It's a family feud beyond the Southern size traditions of Hatfield and McCoys. It's global size. It's like the Bushes and the Husseins.
Yes, I wave the flag because I'm an American too and it is my obligation to oppose our leaders great mistake, I fear it is the greatest the US will ever make.
User: Paige | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: Can someone tell me if Bush answered a single question at his much anticipated news conference? He was asked no less than three times (in three different ways) what the cost would be to the American taxpayer for a war with Iraq. I'm sure that it is impossible to have an "exact" figure...but please. Can't you even give an estimate. He also seemed to run around a variety of other important questions...like issues dealing with the global community. I did not hear a single new answer to the important questions I (and many others) have concerning the upcoming slaughter.
Finally...I'm glad that Blix finally (and directly) told Washington to share whatever information it claims it has on Iraq's WMDs. I cannot think of a single reason why Washington would not share this information with the inspectors. You would think that they would be more than willing considering the circumstances.
-Paige
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: Analee: No longer HK Management. Like I said, last I heard they had no official management.
More Sunday Morning Music: Classical -- any baroque, chamber. Vivaldi, Bach, etc.
And when I'm done with all that easy-listening shit -- a little "Tool" to wake me up.
StAl
User: Analee | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: StAl and no-name person:
Thank you! It was HK Management on Two Against Nature, but was just wondering if it had changed.
I truly appreciate your help with this.
Analee
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: Jimbo: I agree. Good song. I find Kamakiriad to be an excellent Sunday morning choice. Also, anything by Chris Rea, Bruce Cockburn or Joni Mitchell.
A new thread?
Analee: Steely Dan management? Although I'm sure this is bound to change, my understanding is they are self-managing. If this is still the case -- good luck...
StAl
User: Jim# | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: LP: Anchorage? Only the finest Sunday morning song ever. Think I'll noodle on over to the Sony right about now and . . .
User: Luckless Pedestrian at home | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: hey all
the boob glitter thing really took off, we need a respite from the war, right? it's a great phrase to say, boob glitter, how can you be in a bad mood when you say that?
yes, aja/sh - there's a great michelle shocked line in anchored down in anchorage:
what's it like to be a skateboard punk rocker?
i told my 25 year old secretary that i snowborded/skateboarded in college in the early 80's and her eyes got really big in shock, too funny
just got back last night from my judging day in Boston - i forgot how uptight people are down there - i walked into the meeting of both design and planning jurors, looked around and said "excuse me while i down that pot of coffee over there so i can keep up" - wow - the self importance density was really high...luckily the planning jury wasn't like that - good debates on who would win, etc etc
treated myself to a few cd's while down there -
the very best of
fleetwood mac (yeah, i know, sucker),
jack johnson (ver cool stuff),
and
a new folk artist named kathleen edwards (great stuff, a mix of beth orton and
susan earle) -
so it was a good ride home with them to keep me company
it was good to get over the bridge but it was great to get back
User: FINGERS | Month: 2 | Day: 9
Message: Check out http://www.boston.com/globe/
"US Against
Nature"?
today............Don "Nostradamus " Fagen and Walt "pick a card, any
card" Becker.........soothsayers supremo.
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 8
Message: analee - I don't know directly, but you could probably find out in the credits at the end of the liner notes of 2vsN
Nice handle btw... I feel another Catalyst binge coming on...
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 8
Message: Pat,
Has it occured to you that there isn't any concrete evidence of
WMD's
because the Iraqi government won't allow the inspectors 100
percent
access to thier country? I agree with you in one respect, we
shouldn't
just bomb the country indiscriminately. We should use our military
forces to nuetralize any Iraqi resistance to the inspection teams.
Also, if the Iraqi military should decide to move thier WMD's into
the
heavily populated areas of thier county (like Bhagdad), and use
thier
civilian population as human shields, this would be a total
stategic mistake
as U.S. forces would simply cut off all food and
water to these areas and
simply sit a back and wait them out.
Who knows, the conflict might be over
without firing a single shot in
this case. But my personal feeling is that
Hussien, being the scumbag
that his is, would probably use his own people for
hostages and begin
executing them unless his supply routes are opened up. But
hey, at least
then the world would know what sort of a person they're dealing
with
right?
User: gin blossoms | Month: 2 | Day: 8
Message: Angel..
Oleander..
thank you
any day now..back to the jazz world again..on the world wide web.
blues
and jazz...
www.ksds-fm.org
User: Analee | Month: 2 | Day: 8
Message: Would someone please tell me who Steely Dan's management company is?
I'm sorry I have to post this again, but if no one has an answer, perhaps you would know where I could find it?
Thanks again
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 8
Message: Gina: Did you catch Bluz' setlist? You have been played
in San Diego!!!!!
I vote with Ole. Where can one catch a stream of your show,
Bluz? Same goes with Tones. All I get is Southern Cal, the armpit of music.
:-)
(Just Kidding, honestly)
Dano: Did I misread you again? You weren't mullered on the Music?
I
thought I was doing well, with my Dano to English translating, too. :-)
Ole: Leave it to you to come up with a whole LIST of Ice Cream Flavors. You do so well, playing with words.... :-)
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 8
Message: Mu: Go ahead -- keep trotting out irrelevant history. What does Kosovo have to do with Iraq? I mean, really? Besides, of course, showing all the things that were wrong. Saddam may have used WMD's in the past, but now?
Blix almost came right out and said it. SHOW US THE MONEY U.S. If we have all this proof that Iraq posses these weapons, then perhaps they should share them with the inspectors. They may be buffaloing Congress and much of the population, but not me. I want a fucking smoking gun before I sign off on this. Prove it Washington. That's all I'm asking. If you do, you have my support. If not, you're a bunch of stinking liars as always.
Anyone who trusts government is a fool. Especially ours.
Ole: Razor Boysenberry. Yeeaaahh...
Desert Island Discs are in the can. Next Top Ten List: Your all time favorite artists. Submit yours now: http://www.banyantrees.net/topten
User: fiferoni | Month: 2 | Day: 8
Message: the whole worlds going crazy
crazy, crazy, crazy,
crazzzeee
hey baby won't you go crazy with me
we can dance if my baby
wants to
its alright
its alright
please someone put bush of his fucking misery
he's making me crazy
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User: Dano | Month: 2 | Day: 8
Message: Steeve , Thanks mate , i am not the greatest writer on the board , i will leave that to the Magic Man Aussie who truly is the Business.I only put down what comes in the heed , and on Sunday or the weekend i will tell you about the funniest thing that ever happened in my life which we all still really crease up with laughter to this day , and someone else in the Battle Cruiser ( Booser = pub = Angel) asked me to tell it last week and the story is 30 years old.
Dano.
User: Dano | Month: 2 | Day: 8
Message: Angel , Having a few Mick Jaggers (Lagers), Hank
Marvin(Starvin)hungry.
And me a sweaty??
Dano.
User: snakehips | Month: 2 | Day: 8
Message:
Herm - I understood it was sarcasm/joking...i was
just playing along :-)
Ole - Love your ice cream flavors!
Aja - let's see, LP with boob glitter, riding a skateboard at college...yep, that sounds about right...lol
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 8
Message: StAl: How is it possible to oversimplify your one sentence argument? ... It's been the delay that's currently hurting the economy now - the economy was getting out of first key in October when the Inspector Clouseau charade was initiated... why? so the French gov't can continue to sell parts in violation of the UN to iraq and get their big oil Fina slurping at the trough. Note the stock market went UP today. Note Hans Blix tried to hide the fact the Saddam has drones that can carry chemical and biological weapons 500 km - If he is complying, why does he have them? why should we worry about our troops? why should Israel and Turkey worry? Why should we worry about the contents of those 3 60,000 ton Iraqi tankers floating around the 7 seas with unknown contents - why not board them now or at least by the 16th?. make up your mind - are we doing it for oil money or to deliberately to hurt the economy?
Here's your oversimplification...It sucks, but sometimes life sucks...Lieberman and Gephardt agree
Rwandans - Yeah, where was the UN? Clinton?
Cambodians - Newsflash: We
LOST Vietnam. Ford was in no position to start another one. Where was the UN?
Somalians - We kept a peacekeeping force there too long with too little support. Clinton refused to commit ground troops. Where was the UN?
Kosovo: No WMD or threat to the US or support of terrorists. No UN resolution and no declaration of war by Congress. No ground troups allowed 900,000 Muslims to be herded by the Serbs in a Bataan death march to Albania - maybe THAT's why they're pissed at us, eh?
None of these countries had WMD and a history of using them or aided and abetted terrorists
Pakistan - Yes, they became a nuke nation of Blix's (he was the nuke inspector then) and Clinton's watch. they WERE a terrorist nation that trained the Taliban. Powell has managed to win Musharaf over brilliantly..especially given the vast parts of ungovernable territories headed by warlords. The Pakistani gov't were a huge help re Afghanistan, and are aiding in collaring MSK and the Osama family...
Saddam has chemical, biologicals, has been working on nukes for years, has invaded three countries (Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia), has ACTUALLY USED biological and chemical WMD on other countries and his OWN people. He is responsible for 1,500,000 deaths. He is the world's leading exporter of terrorist supplies and weapons - strong ties with Hamas, PLO, Al Qaeda and many other terrorist networks. We have statement after statement from defectors including former girlfriends and bomb makers of Saddam that he met with Osama numerous times and provided Osama money. Saddam has assets of over 2 BILLION $ while children starve. Also, UN and US food aid $ is diverted into funds for weapons. He steals all the oil $. He tortures and kills children and adults daily and watches the proceedings as entertainment (even Hitler didn't do that)...If the French gov't and Germans and Russians had gone along or sat quietly, war would have been AVERTED - a coup or exile was imminent - Saddam sent his family our of Iraq weeks ago. Thus the anti-war "movement" has completely backfired. There's your unintended consequences - at least on the protestors part. But I believe France expected this. Based on the oil and wepaon part info - they probably have a lot to hide - but I guess we'll know for sure in a couple of weeks...in the meantime I hope Bush breaks that Xanax in half...
North Korea: Where's the UN here? hmmmm... Oh sure, now they expect unilateral management. SOME ILL Kim and his Dad have a history of throwing hissy fits periodically when they want something, but not using WMD, including attention...and just who gave them the means to produce weapons grade plutonium? Carter, Clinton. The South Koreans are frozen like a deer in the headlights with a million NKA near the DMZ 30 miles from Seoul...My Korean students do not believe SOME ILL will move yet - and North Korea has been contained for 50 years, but SOME ILL is a whacko and he may sell nukes to terrorists within the next year or two - he's already sent the missles to Yemen, remember...ergo, we must take care of Iraq now and prod SK, Japan, and the Chinese for multilateral negotiations with the North Koreans.
User: Aussie | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: An evening with King Crimson....the second night March 6. Won't get into rich detail....it was a different show. This time around I was front row but all the way to the right just below Robert Fripp and the view was partially blocked so I couldnt see Mastelotto and Trey Gunn. Adrian and Bob only. Not sold out.....but not very many empty seats either. The following is the set list:
Dangerous Curves
Happy with what you have to be happy with
The
Construction of Light
Elektrik
ProzacK Blues
The Power to
Believe
Facts of Life
Larks' Tongues in Aspic (Part
IV)
Encores:
Level Five
The World's my
OysterSoupKithenFloorWaxMuseum
Potato Pie
Fripp did not applaud the audience like he did the night before but Belew commented that he always feels an intense vibe when he plays New York.
Phenomenal show.
Aus
User: oleander | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: RS--Do you happen to glit any other body parts while you're at it?
Barfly--Wonderful, wonderful Auden.
Dano--Omigod! A stitch without a stitch!
Bluz--Enough. I MUST hear your show. How??
Is it too late for more ice cream flavors? Razor Boysenberry? Third World Malt? Almost Guava? Mocha In Your Soul? Tiramisu With Buzz? Sign In Sorbet?
Anyone hear the "Glamour Profession" clip on NPR this morning?
User: my Groove your Move | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Bill..ten thousand more always"
Beth..the stars above..due west in the march sky"
Magoo..solomon burke now your talkin"
played today
Mike Clark.."summertime"(new)
Russle Gunn.."blues on the d.l."
Alberta Hunter.."amtrak blues"
The Crusaders..rural renewal.."creepin"w/eric on guitar{new)
Slowburn..time and memory..(i'm all over this new one)
Kenny Garrett.."nothin but the blues"
Steely Knives.."Symphony Blues"..gina vodegel
Miles.."streamin"
Esther Phillips..from a whisper to a scream.."home is where the hatred
is"
(produced by the great creed taylor)
Dr. John..afterglow.."i know what i've got"
Wes Montgomery..full house.."blue n' boogie"
John Brim..ice cream man"
James Harman Band..two sides to every story.."if the shoe fits wear it"
Hank Mobely..roll call"
Don't the sun look lonesome
setting down behind the tress?
Don't
your house look lonesome
when your baby's packed to leave?
Muddy Waters
"blow wind blow"
bluz
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Dano: I think you were either at a Rolling Stones concert, or Mick defected to The Who. Hysterical, either way. :-)
User: Analee | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: I have a burning question:
Who is Steely Dan's management these days?
Thank you.
Analee
User: SteveeDan(o is my hero) | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Dano - That's Definitely IT !!! You are my hero. Not only was the story itself was a hoot and a half, but the way you wrote it (in your language as it were ...) ... I could barely (like that one ... barely ?!?) understand it. Frickin' hysterical Dude! My wife looked at me as I was laughing uncontrollably while reading it and just shook her head ... with concern ... and disappointment.
Hung up well? ... Or well hung? ... I assume (therefore making someone an
ASS) that well hung is in the eye of the behunger ... here's spit in yer eye !
W1P - Brian Auger huh? Our PL lead singer was thinking about checking Auger out at Platinum Live tonight too. If you go, and if he goes, you guys should hang out there. Say hello to your bandmates from all of us Pretzel Logicians.
Herm û "War begins with Dubya" û classic pun. This banner should be everywhere. The more I read and view on TV about this "war" the less I am in agreement that it should happen. I still want Saddam gone, but not at the projected price in dollars and human life that would be wasted.
Has anyone seen the Nostrodamus website? Depending upon your ability to read a current meaning into these ancient texts, you could find "proof" of that North Korean madman with his nuke.
Beers - Dan on Trent à I don't know where Trent is, à besides I think it's roughly 10,000 miles away from Los Angeles. I would love to come ... I would. Heck, you might even let me sit in on a couple of tunes, but I can't get out of town right now. KICK THEIR FACES OFF! GIVE æEM A NIGHT THEY'LL NEVER FORGET! And then be sure to tell us all about it. I also wish I could be there to hang with Duncan, my new hero Dano, Fingers, etc, etc. Quite a dooser eh?
Stevee(stuck across the pond)Dan
User: Beers_steeled | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: When the train come in the station
I looked her in
the eye
Well the train come in the station
And I looked her in the eye
Whoa, I felt so sad so lonesome
That I could not help but cry
FEEEEEELIN BLUE .............
User: Sociable Hermit | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: I saw a great sign at a protest march the other day ~
War begins with Dubya
Later,
Herm
P.S. I was making a joke about sex and Gary Glitter. Apparently, sarcasm doesn't always translate very well into the written word.
User: Beerberian Stoned | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: I'm on a roll ......
Did you ever feel the pain
That he felt upon the cross
Did you ever
feel the knife
Tearing flesh that's oh so soft
Stevee Come on over ??? for Dan on Trent ..mail me
User: Steveedan | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Gina (Post 1815) - the link to Brian Bromberg's site was a wonderful gift from you. I listened to all of the music files on the site and thought they were great. I'm going to go out and find this CD. My Bass player Jake is going to want to hear this one for sure ...
I will never forget seeing Jaco play with Weather Report at the Berkeley Jazz Festival in 1980. I now know that the "sequencer groove" thing that he played evolved into "Slang-ism". After he played this killer groove (he was up on stage alone ... the rest of WR - Joe, Wayne, and Erskine had all taken "5") he went a little "Pete Townshend" and slammed his bass into his speaker stacks. You could hear the audience gasp. Priceless, and timeless too. JWNBF (Jaco will never be forgotten.)
Clas (#1819) - what is the matter with you ?!? Can you play ANY instrument as well as Brian Bromberg plays his on these tracks. Doubtful. Your negative comments in this case are unfair and mean-spirited. Your "nasty man" quotient is rising fast. Why must you always make these blunders?
Steveedan
User: W1P | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Might go check out Brian Auger's Oblivion Express tonight, should I?
User: Beers4peace | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Mmm, the flood is threatening, my very life
today
Gimme, gimme shelter, or I'm gonna fade away
War, children, it's
just a shot away, it's just a shot away
It's just a shot away, it's just a
thaught away, it's just a shot away
Hey Dubya wild horses .........
User: Beth-O-Matic | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Good Evening Bluz....send an email to: QLT195@aol.com for an ezine....has to do...along the lines of everybody wants to rule the world and such concepts....like we spoke about yesterday...(I met the author...a hypnotist among other things...(he put a spell on me)...and I liked it).
Have great fun everyone....Peace and Love to you all...As Always...Beth
User: Aja...............leftover glitters from Mardi Gras | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: snakehips, et al-hey, the boob glitter discussion reminds me of the good ole days when the latest news concerned defining "sexual relations" and cigar activities. Make love, not war, it's much more fun-LOL!
As for the latest illogical war argument-Saddam is committing genocide? Well, so did the Rwandans, Cambodians, Somalians, ad nauseum, but we didn't go rushing to change those regimes (or went rushing out as soon as possible). That's just a convenient excuse, as is the WMD argument. How many other nations have WMD that could be sold to terrorists (Pakistan, anyone?), yet we turn a blind eye. Why is Iraq so different? Oh that's right, they're sitting on a ton of oil.
I heard a rumor that lp was voted "Most Likely to Make the Best Use of Boob Glitter" in college......
Aja
User: YGK | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Angel: Definitely man.
Paige: yes spelled
correctly...........sounds....?!?!...........my parent's ears perked up when
they heard it.....
ygk
User: duncan | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: LOL...
Bill's an old fucker !!!
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Powerful, uh, yes.... :-)
Happy Birthday Bill! Trade ya!
YGK: Is that a man, or a woman filling those "Boots"? ;-)
User: Paige | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Happy B-day Bill. Ah yes, I remember when I was
41.
-Paige
User: snakehips | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message:
Angel - I believe LP referred to them as "powerful
things"...lol!
YGK - Are you sure that's spelled right? ;-)
Dano - OMG! ROFLMAO!
Bill - happy birthday...41 is good...wish i were :-s
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Dont worry Bill, you'll grow up too.
L
User: YGK | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Hey 19!, er, uh, Bill: Happy Birthday.........
Angel: first cut off the new Core NYC disc is called, "Big Boots"..........
ygk
User: Bill | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Crossing the threshold of old dudeness...
Molly,
Thanks so much for the John Hiatt tune.
John is one of my
favorites. Okay he's not as good as Kiki Dee but who is?
WJAZ,
Percy Faith! Thanks brother!
Now if we could just dig up a
few Mitch Miller tunes we'll really be rockin'. Hold on...where did I put that
Mario Lanza "Live at Leeds" cd?
How does it feel to be 41?
Not sure really... I've only been 41 for a few
hours but certain things
seem different. The sun seems much younger for
instance. I seem to
remember when the earth was a hot ball of swirling
gases. I saw a rotary
phone at a discount store yesterday and said "Man
that's cool I gotta get
one of those". I have a Rand Mcnally map from 1986
and consider it to be
new. All in all 41 feels like 40 except you know you're
on the other side
of 40. All of this is okay of course because people live
alot longer today
so I've decided that I'll stay 18 years old for another 10
years or so
and then I'll try 19 and see what that's like. So for now I'm 41
for
government purposes only.
:)
User: duncan | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: REF: boob glitter!
I thought you where reviewing ms
careys first foray into æÆfilmÆÆ
I would if i could, but i can't, sorry maria !!!
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Snakehips: LOL!!!!!!
You are taking LP's place today.
According to her, those are (ahem) big "shoes" to fill. :-)
Herm: Yes, sex, definitely.
Howard: Yes, we did discuss "Do It Again" a few months ago. I couldn't find
the spot then and probably won't find it now.
The "Brooklyn" thing was
probably caused by the equipment of that time. It was much tougher to deal with
edits in the early 70's, I think. I know for a fact that it was, on the
videotape side of the street. The damn machine picked the exact spot, you
didn't. Something to do with the control track.
User: DANO | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Listen up boys and girls.............
Best nude scene at a rock concert was me when i was a mere 17 watching The Who and everyone was a stipping off , so me fuelled with beer and totally muellered on the Mick Jagger decides to let the one eyed bed snake out for an airing , all the team i was with were all up for it and i says to this lovely young lady i was with at the time , if you get the Burgers in as i was Hank Marvin i would do the honours and do the business, so as she is up at the burger van , turns round theres me with just my birthjday suit on.Went absolutely Garrity , shouting at me embarrasing her etc, etc ,etc,anyways after she calmed down i says ...make sure you put sauce on that hot dog and promptly empties the whole sqeeze sauce container all over the one eyed trousersnake , leaving me looking like she cut the bloody thing off.There ended the relationship the following week or so , but at least the burger tasted a dooser.
Dano.
User: snakehips | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message:
Herm - LOL! and St. Al is right...
Ha! gotcha searchin' for it on the internet didn't we?...lol!
Maybe try "body glitter"...you can put it just about anywhere..heheheh
What?...you'd rather talk about politics and war? ;-)
Aja...see what you've started? LOL!
User: Steveedan | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: In reference to post #s 1796 - 1801 and 1803 ... (RE:
Boob Glitter)
Is this anything like a 'pearl necklace'?
Also do you think
that a little boob glitter can PERK a woman up?
(We already know it does this
quite effectively for the man.)
Sincerely,
Masters and JohnsonDan
User: Professor Schneid | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: I have uniquely discovered that in a certain scenario,
one can be "hung up" about sex while being "hung up" during sex (the positions
are endless), or you can be "hung up on" during or after sex.
So, Mr. St. Al,
which, or how many are you? *winks and hugs* LOL
Schneid
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Herm: Sex is good. Call me hung up.
WJAZ: I meant to say earlier -- that was damn funny.
NW String Summit is scheduled for the end of June. Very excited to hear Old and in the Way is reforming to include original members Vassar Clements, David Grisman and Peter Rowan. Of course Jerry wont be playing this year...
http://www.stringsummit.com
This is going to be a very good Summer of music.
StAl
User: YGK | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Herm: link doesn't work.............
Bill: www.glittergirl.com is for sale! sounds like a match......
go to
glitter.com, and type boob in the search field........
my .01........
ygk
User: Sociable Hermit | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: snakehips,
Just did a search. "Boob Glitter", is
Gary's idiotic younger brother.
www.glitterfamilytree.com
Why some people in here are so hung up on sex confounds me. Now, let's get back to the designated topic of this board ~ politics and war!
Boob glitter...really.
Later,
Herm
User: Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Clas, We have Vanilla Coke here in Kentucky. Before Coke
bottled it, one could ask for a squirt of vanilla flavored syrup in your coke at
most places. Personally I prefer that method. Most times I drink diet sodas. I
am paranoid about ingesting too much sugar due to a predisposition towards
diabetes in my family. BTW, I like to squeeze a fresh lemon in my diet drink to
cut the aftertaste of the artificial sweetners. But, the new lemon-added pepsi
bites. I'd just as soon drink cat piss. If you're ever in Louisville Ky., be
sure to go to the Homemade Ice Cream and Pie Kitchen on Bardstown Road. They
have old-fashioned ice cream sodas! Of course their pies aren't too shabby
either.
Snake Hips, We must be kindred sisters! :) I love Victoria's Secret.
Nice undies are my vice. But being cheap, I buy the department store body
glitter. I make my own scented message and bath oils. Of course mine don't
tingle when you blow on it...lol But ya can't have everything. Have ya ever
tried the little stick-on jewels in the craft department as body adornments?
Cheap and fun!
I read that if you message an area of your body for a half an
hour it eradicates cellulite. Now, If I can just kind a volunteer...hehehe
User: Beers@the BBC | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Two of Bin Laden's sons are reportedly arrested, as the search for the al-Qaeda chief homes in on Pakistan's border
User: snakehips | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message:
Roy.Scam, Sociable Hermit, Duncan, Jimbo, St. Al
(and the rest of you guys who have been thinking about this but not posting) -
LOL!
Nothin' like the mention of boobs and their *glittering* to get such a
quick response from men! Too funny. (And btw, we love that you love them ;-p)
You can also get body glitter at Victoria's Secret...and you'll have fun just
wandering through that store ;-)
Now what SD lyrics would apply (sort of) here? ...See it glisten?
User: Pertinent Question | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: How can you be tired of something that you refuse to listen to?
User: kiki dee | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message:
Bill - so nice of you to remember.
i got the
music in me...
what ever happened to me?
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Mu: Whaddya say we start a war that will cripple our crippled economy, destroy more innocent lives, piss of the International community and recruit a whole new batch of radicals to terrorize our children based on conjecture, greed and anger?
You oversimplify my case, don't mind if I do the same to yours...
StAl
User: Lars | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: since when did anyone really WON a war?
jaco & tribute - Pat Metheny & Richard Bona did the ultimate tribute to JP on PMG's recent tour."Bright size of life" played with more than one nod to JPs cloud.
L
User: Howard | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: steelydoubt: I don't have the CD here to give a time reference for "Do It Again". It's at the point where one of the choruses starts - i.e where Donald sings "you go back, Jack...", although I think the place where the bass misses the change is actually in one of the instrumental breaks (Donald's solo?), at the equivalent point.
Other irregularities in SD songs? Oh boy, how many times have we mulled over this one? I'm sure there are pages of this in the GB archives.
A few that come to mind - fairly big swings in tempo during "Razor Boy" and
"I Got The News". Of course, these may have been intentional, or they may have
resulted from editing together different takes that weren't at the same
tempo.
There's that out-of-tune "B" note on the guitar in the intro to Black
Cow. Sounds like the guitarist hit the open B string accidentally while getting
ready for the second little hammer-on lick. If D+W ever get their hands on the
multi-track masters for that track, they might be able to fix that in a remix.
There's that out-of-tune keyboard note in the first verse of Black Friday too, somewhere around "catch the grey men when they dive..."
What else... or yeah, the inclusion of "Change of the Guard" on CBAT. What? They *meant* to do that?
I'm sure there are others that I've forgotten.
Howard
User: WJAZ | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: BILL...
Just a note to let you know that Bluz located the album "Percy Faith: A Concert At Bethpage...All of my Alan Parsons Favorites..." I will try to ferry that thing your way real soon (is there gas in the car?) though it will not reach on your birthday. (Or, do you want us just to send it to the home? %Dog In A Box?)
The New Christy Minstrels provide vocals on "Damned If I Do"..as RoyScam would write "Am I stoked or what?"
User: My My Cheapo Pyramid | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: - Liberty, democracy, secularized power,
The
Individual...
- Things we cherish, things we fight for...
- Napoleon,
Sade, litterary expressions, style, conch conch Jacques...
- Things we
secretely admire. Things we put into practice.
Things we use to get off?
- Fries, Kisses, wine...
- Things we savor?
Oh... things we got from
the French!
User: G. | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: hey Clas :-) hm, i wouldn't call him "just" another
tribute musician.
take "Wood" for example, there's skill and all that
involved for sure!
so you wouldn't care to meet him in person
hahahaha?
because paths could meet, you know ...
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: I checked the site Gina, just another "tribute musician".
God, I am tired of those.
User: bad sneakers | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: http://petergabriel.com:16080/moonclub/news/
For new Gabriel US tour dates
Secret world DVD release delayed - bummer
New Crimson CD - Best for years ????
Out warming up for the UK Danfest last night - that Burtons gives you some hangover !! Dano - Help !!
User: Beerberian Glitter | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: fife; "what music would you want to bring into the bomb shelter with you" Would have to be Third World Man ........ and on a cheery note you may only get to hear one so better make it a good one !!!!
Johnny's playroom
Is a bunker filled with sand
He's become a third
world man
I can confirm that The Denver Nuggets Dancers use Gold BG @\/@
User: Boob glitter? | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: Howard - "...have I been vamping on D for 24 bars or only 16?"
Tell me about it.
---
Gina - Oh Jaco, I was into him. I remember someone say; if style could be copyrighted, Jaco would be the richest cat on earth.
---
And tell me, do you gringos have Vanilla Coke over there?
C
User: Gina | Month: 2 | Day: 7
Message: howdy.
anyone into Jaco Pastorius and those
influenced (who isn't ...)by him, worth to check out the URL above, Brian
Bromberg's tribute to Jaco.
User: Moll......... | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y W I L D B I L L !
*many
hugs and kisses*
This Secret Life (John Hiatt)
I dreamed I was being kept alive
To bear
the brunt of a family joke
About which no one spoke
To multiply and divide
This hideous thing, this human kind
With
something else on his mind
I was going to bed
You were saying, "I do"
Then I lost my head
CHORUS:
When I awoke
I was living this secret life
Complete with a
secret dog
And a secret wife
In another zone
Address unknown
This
secret life
This secret life
And I am chilled to be here
Among these ghosts so heaven-bent
With hell
to pay for rent
When I am holding you near
I'm not so sure this world is real
I'm not
sure how I feel
And I was going to say
"Not a whisper, dear"
Then I drifted away
CHORUS
Come out, come out
Wherever you are
You look so near
You seem so
far
This scale's messed up
The angle's wrong
Your day will
come
Meanwhile, the night is long
User: ¦ - that's the bell | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: Class, hand in your papers. Yes, as I feared over the past months, only St.Al's "imminent danger" point is logical and somewhat compelling. The counter-argument is that Saddam is, and has been, the largest exporter of terrorism supplies and support world wide including Israel, as well as direct terrorism on his own citizens and neighbors to the tune to 1,500,000 fatalities and thousand and thousands tortured, raped, beaten...Someday one of those WMD will find its way, handed off through a terrorist group, into the US and will be deployed. It could be Next Week or before the Next Fagen or Dan album after EMG (if there is one). Who knows when, but it will/would happen and would be untraceable forensically. We still have no clue who committed the Anthrax mailings of 2001...
The rest of the papers which are political and limbic system-driven, including from the Dell dude, I refer you to a FAQ sheet before tossing them in the circular file.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/322bsxwo.asp
I was hoping, hoping, hoping, that someone, especially Mr. Stewart would arrive at the answer, but alas...
There is a logic to disarming now in accordance with 1441 and 17 other UN resolutions. We all would like to see Saddam disarm on his own (yeah, right) or a coup or go into exile, which are a possibility, but remote even with the psyche job we are currently waging.
Here's the rest of the correct answer. Invasion of Iraq ordered by the President is in violation of a small, innocuous piece of paper called the US CONSTITUTION
"Article. I.
Section 1.
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives...
Section. 8.
...Clause 11: To declare WAR, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water...
Article. II.
Section. 1.
...Clause 1: The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President...
Section. 2.
...Clause 1: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices..."
So, in plain English, Congress declares War and the President carries out
the nuts and bolts strategy with the joint Chiefs of Staff and his Cabinet..."
Unfortunately, previous violations of this important part of the
Constitution as in:
Kosovo
Bosnia
Aspirin Factory in the Sudan
1998 Cruise missles into
Iraq
Haiti
Somalia
Gulf War I (there was an act of support, but no
declaration - I beliive this is the only war the UN ever won, even though we
know it was an Incomplete)
Grenada
Vietnam
Korea
have muddied our perspective. But just because 6 previous Presidents (Truman, LBJ, Nixon, Reagan, Bush41, Clinton) soiled the Constitution, doesn't mean this is a trivial issue... acts of support by Congress are not Declarations of War...
Having said that, it looks like Spring Break in Baghdad...the mission will be successful shortly with the mop up done by May 7, ergo the new 6/10 release date...it's still Very risky business, but far less than doing nothing long term. Short term? roll out your gold teeth...
Look for Saddam to dress up his troops in US uniforms and attempt to shoot villages of Shiites (which is his Spring outdoors sport anyway) in front of Al Jazeerah cameras...
The atrocities of Saddam's regime after it's over will be revealed as heinous as Hitler's and Stalin's..as if we did not know already...
Dismissed...Be careful out there...
User: Moll | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: Jimbo, Not sure you can purchase " boob glitter" at
Spencer's? But, I'd look back by flavored body lotions that becomes warm
whenever breath is applied. I know one can also purchase body glitter where most
exotic dance wear is sold. Revlon and Avon also makes a body gel that glimmers.
It gives one's skin a subtle shimmer. The body gel adds a nice touch when
wearing a stapless evening dress. Your post is too funny...lol
Roy, I enjoyed
both of your posts.
Duncan, sorry about your family's bout of pox. :( I hope
you are all feeling better.
BB, yes Darlin men need extra TLC when sick. It
would be oatmeal powder baths and extra amounts of Benedryl applied lovingly to
soothe itchy skin. Of course my special chocolate chip oatmeal cookies, chicken
soup and back rubs would be included for moral support from Nurse Molly. I'm
still trying to figure out a way to get to the UK Danfest. We have to talk
Danorak into attending. He is such a nice man.
Mu, sure honey! We can call
it ping-pong if ya like...*wink*
Bluz, thanks for nice mail. Whoo Hoo!
You're a cutie... If I weren't seeing the Dragon-man, you'd be in big trouble
buddy. :)
User: fiferoni | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: so the world is not fucked up enough
User: fiferoni | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: so the world is going to pieces, what music would you
want to bring into the bomb shelter with you?
what would you need to keep you
going?
tell me i want to know and why
thanks
User: fiferoni | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: happy birthday to you
happy birthday to you
happy
birthday dear kiki
happy birthday to you
User: Bill | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: It's Kiki Dee's birthday and nobody mentioned it on this site.
Well?
User: Roy.Scam | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: Sociable Herm~ Webster's Palegic Dictionary defines 'boob glitter as, "One who glits boobs." As a person with considerable experience glitting boobs at all levels, I feel qualified to undertake the aforementioned position for the GB lady in question. If necessary, I'm prepared to present glowing references from several boob glitting enterprises. It is my personal and professional goal to leave no boob unglitted.
Midnite Cruiser, Beth-O Matic, and Duncan~ Thank YOU. May your chicken pox snivel apologetically out the back door.
Hutch~ That French thing was hilarious. I take pride in the fact that we stole their fries, their dressing , and their kiss, and now we're laughing at them. Also to their discredit, I can't remember a single good rock and roll act that ever came from France. -- I agree with you about Carlock. Based on the Piano Jazz numbers, his presence bodes well for EMG.
Oleander~ Good to see you back. Something told me you'd be in bloom soon. Turn that heart of the guestbook over again.
And now, here's Albert Einstein to sing "Any MENSA Dude".
RS
User: ¦ - the rite that you're beholding | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: Mardi Gras Schmardi Gras - Some of us are preparing our chief engineers and cameras for a unilateral invasion of Panama...City before next Thursday and regime change of the sheriff, mayor, and all his friends:
http://www.whotv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1167342
User: Beth-O-Matic | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: To: Barfly...."Looking up at the stars, I know quite
well That, for all they care, I can go to hell, ....How should we like it were
stars to burn With a passion for us we could not return?......Were all stars to
disappear or die, I should learn to look at an empty sky...Though this might
take me a little time." (The More Loving One...Auden)
Your post(s) left me
with a feeling of disorientation....I like it...I will be expecting more....As
always, Beth.
User: They Say It's Your Birthday W1P | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: David Gilmour and Shaq -- both are huge!
User: Aja........................all that glitters | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: Yes, New Orlean's finest purple, green, and gold. Sorry I can't give a visual on here (but you know what they say about the imagination............;o)
Aja
User: Jimbo | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: I wonder if Spencer's gift shops carry boob glitter. Just a thought.
I wonder if George Jr. reads papers or watches the news in terms of public opinion.
I wonder if George Jr. cares about public opinion (probably not).
I wonder how Norah Jones sold more than 600,000 copies of her CD last week;).
I wonder with Norah's win if radio folks will let go of the Justins, N'Stink, Britney and return to real music.
I wonder if VH1 and MTV will get their identity back and return to
showing
music-related programming.
I wonder if I'll ever succeed in doing some celebrity sightings (ex: any of the ladies from Sex and the City) when I come to New York later this year.
User: duncan | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: what i ment to say was...
Boob Glitter ? is it
available for men ?
User: lp | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: boob glitter - yes, that's the ticket - lol
back down to boston for the partial weekend - i can't seem to give up my relationship with my mechanic, subaru mechanics become part of your family
also judging other planner's work for a new england award - here come da judge - should be fun
User: duncan | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: boob glitter ?
User: Sociable Hermit | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message:
Boob glitter?
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: It's even more amazing how a little boob glitter can cheer a man up.
StAl
User: Aja...................politics as usual | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: And the good news is:"Poll Shows That Bush Would Lose Election to Unknown Democrat":
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=564&ncid=564&e=2&u=/nm/20030306/ts_nm/politics_bush_dc_2
The "anyone but Bush" vote is out............
It's amazing how a little boob glitter can cheer a woman up.
I also got an e-mail from my F-14 flyboy this morning saying he might be back in town next month-maybe I won't be giving up sex for Lent after all-LOL!
I'm on vacation tomorrow, but am on maximum unproductivity today.........
Aja
User: Sociable Hermit | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: Thanks, angel.
Herm
User: Sociable Hermit | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message:
Happy Birthday to David Gilmour.
Also, Happy Birthday to Alan Greenspan.
At the count of three, everyone sing a chorus of, "Money".
Later,
Herm
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: Herm: Go here for Piano
Jazz.
http://www.andymetzger.com/sounds/
Clas: Cool.
Aussie: Man, I miss your colour. Gives goosebumps, even when I don't know what the heck you are talking about. :-)
User: Aja...............back@work | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: No Auss, it's "wowowowow" ;o)
Aja
User: steelydoubt | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: where in do it again? any other irregularties or whatever on sd songs?
User: ¦ | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: How to torture Khalid Shaikh Mohammed:
(1) take out DUCT TAPE
(2) cut into 18 inch strips
(3) place on Mohammed's hairy back
(4) pull and rip hard!
Enjoy the shrimp etouffe, ladies and gentlemen. I'll be here 'til really
fat Tuesday!
User: Sociable Hermit | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: Hey All,
Got an email today from Amazon.com telling me about a new release ~ Marion McPartland's Piano Jazz featuring Rosemary Clooney. Now, I never even knew that these were available on CD, so I went to the site and found about 30 of them, (most of which are out of stock, but still available to purchase as used).
No Don and Walt, yet, but let's keep our fingers crossed that someday it will be made available to the public. I still haven't heard it yet. Living outside of L.A., I can't seem to find any station that even carries the show. Oh, woe is me.
Later,
Herm
User: StAl...coming fast and furious now.... | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: "Going to war without France is like going deer hunting
without your accordion."
--Norman Schwartzkopf
God I love visual jokes.
Beer: All in good fun man. Everyone here knows my position. I'm sure some of you euro's have a couple fo good U.S. jokes...
User: EuroBeerberian | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: Pat; As a fellow European I should jump to les francaises defence BUT what the hell F*** 'em !!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
User: Hutch | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: French military history...
http://www.vegsource.com/talk/humor/messages/6645.html
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: Oh yeah? More French jokes...
French military rifle for sale. Brand new. Never Used. Dropped once.
***rimshot***
Thank you!
StAl
User: lp | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: got a great lightbulb joke emailed to me today sure to piss people in here off, but it's funny just the same:
How many Frenchmen does it take to change a light bulb?
One.
He holds the bulb and all of Europe revolves around him.
User: Bad Sneakers | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: New Crimson CD alert - "the power to believe" - Brilliant
Secret World DVD posted on the 8th of March - Can't wait
Speaking of "can't wait" experiences - May the 3rd is sounding ominous.
User: Beerberian | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: Howard; CBAT is still a rough diamond tho' AND remains my fave to whence I return frequently - You are in UK yes ? Are you interested in the May 3rd Dan on Trent event ? if so mail me above for details --- Offer open to all
Dunc; A pox on your house ??? hope you've had it I copped for it at aged 30 - almost killed me WELL it felt like it anyways You know how guys are with illnesses Nurse Molly ? Just bought the new Turin Brakes "Ether Song" an acoustic wall of sound type thing .... will listen more
User: Howard | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: steelydoubt - you're not mistaken. There is a "brook-" from the backing singers that's cut off short near the end of the song (Brooklyn Owes The Charmer), just before the guitar riff comes in if I remember right. They probably got them to sing it over and over, then chose to edit it out of the last few bars but missed the right edit point by a fraction. Or maybe they were hitting "mute" when mixing, and were just a fraction too late?
I remember discussing this at least once before - hell, it's probably in the GB archives somewhere.
It's one of a handful of glitches on CBAT. One of the others is Walter's dilemna on bass during "Do It Again" - have I been vamping on D for 24 bars or only 16? Oops! There goes the change to G, almost caught it...
They were young, it was the early days, it's not a big deal. They went on to even greater things...
Howard
P.S Anyone who's jammed Miles Davis' "So What" will know that feeling - has it really been 24 bars of Dm or just 16? Is it time to move to Ebm yet...? The longer you play around with that sequence, the easier it becomes to lose 4 bars somewhere... Still a great sequence to improvise over though.
User: duncan | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: Nice post Roy
A case of chicken pox brought
everything right into focus this week in our house.
We walked round a lake at the weekend, the water was so clear we could see
the bottom right out into the middle.
Canadian geese where visiting the lake
for a rest & the sun was shining.
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: Angel - it's okay, and you didn't upset me. Be cool.
User: Jim# | Month: 2 | Day: 6
Message: Aussie: I've always had this sneaking suspicion that you could post a review of Donny Osmond fronting a polka band and make it sound as though we missed out on something of orgasmic proportions. Wonderful job, as always.
User: Beth-O-Matic.............................................................The Barfly | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: "the secret of life is in opening up your heart"
.....pausing for thought.
User: Beth-O-Matic | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: To: Barfly and Roy.Scam....love your posts....after reading I am obliged to tread softly...I, for one, appreciate your posts......I am here and I am listening......AND I LIKE IT.....yes, I do.....Beth
User: Aussie | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: Just got back from the cKrimson show. Wow-a. One word, two syllables....wow-ah.
The Town Hall, New York City, New York, 134 West Fourty-fourth Street. Show slated for eight thirty post meridien eastern standard time. Ugly, ugly crowd forming outside the venue...mostly bespectacled white middle aged men without girlfriends, the few women there were, can we say, NOT Giselle Bundshen. No worries.
We head for a local Irish pub just two blocks north in the heart of Times Square and proceed to down a few Cape Codders, this, of course, aftre smoking the obligatory blunt, courtesy of partner for the evening with the cKrimson King somewhere in the midst of a re-gentrifying Alphabet City flat.
Clearly, the boys were running behind schedule sinse the crowd was still streaming into their plush seats at eight thirty. No smoking allowed at all, nor, for that matter, photography and recording devises.
Band comes on amidst a cheering, truly pumped up New York crowd and bathed in crimson hues. Ummmm.
The mastre of the axe, Mr. Robert Fripp (guitar), with his omnipresent stool and wearing a black Chinese kung-Fu shirt (ala Bruce Lee) and black kung Fu pants sits just to the right of us surrounded with towers of electronic goodies enough to make any grown man with everything drool like Homer Simpson in the middle of a Kcrispy Kcreme twelve-pacK.
Mastre front man and severely underrated Mr. Adrian Belew (guitar and vocals) (who battled bronchitis just a few days prior to this gig..God bless his soul for showing up!) in plain white scoop necked tee-shirt and dark powder blue hospital surgeon pants....just blew the place away, with his guitar virtuosity and his unmistakable lilting voice. You'd have nevre guessed the cat was sick as a dog just the day before.
Trey Gunn (Warr Guitar, Fretless Warr Guitar) dressed in all white Dress shirt and white all purpose wind pants is a gift from the Gods of music. His playing is beyond belief....there is NO ONE better, period. That means you too Mr. Stanley Clarke.
Pat Mastelotto (drumming, traps and buttons) dressed in all black has really come into his own after Bill Bruford left and one can see that with his fine blend of lead heavy style ala John Henry Bonham (of Led Zepppelin fame)and blitzkrieg jazz finesse(ala Bill Bruford).
Maybe, two percent of crowd were women. Venue compleatly sold out. Open with scorching rendition of The ConstruKction of Light circa nine o'clock. This is Apocalypse Now. Crowd is frozen in death-like paralysis at the sheer bruatlity of the sound....not The Who loud, but loud enough, and anyway I was referring to the brutality of the music itself and not the decibel level or timbre. Vicious and non-sparing, it nonethelees invited you closer to look at the band that would be the band if Hell had a band.
Followed by fanatical fanfare, the boys followed with ProzacK Blues. Tip top shape, the guys enjoyed excellent stage rapport and executed like the professional's professionals that they really are. Immediately following this, Mr. Belew joked to the crowd "Never think about what you play".
Level Five. They could have left at this point and the crowd wouldn't have cared. Oleandre commented on a recent review of the same band about DNA restructuring. Yep. That's exactly what happened to every one there tonight.
Indefatigable pace......"Kcrimson Light" joked Belew and launch into Eyes Wide Open. Next, Happy With What You Have To be Happy With....amazing. "That's what I say to myself in the mirror every morning" joked belew afterwards.
The Power To Believe....Fripp takes over with sound wall mosaics and incredible Spiderman fingers on guitar. Blown away.
Facts of Life....torches whatever ashes are left of The Town Hall. Celtic Design guitar interplay between Belew and Fripp, while Mastelotto and Gunn finish off fleeing enemies with sharp Turkish knives across their necks....no laughing matter. This is SERIOUS code RED shit, and if you're not ready look out.
Oystre Soup. Followed by stunning Trey Gunn solo and polished off with last encore of Dinosaur.
Missed a few numbres but I'll be there again tomorrow for another ass whipping.
Tones, Wormy and other noted cKrim heads who post here: Probably the best incarnation live to date. I'm still breathing heavy hours latre.
Nota Bene: If these guys come anywhere within one hundred miles of where you live.......GO. You'll thank yourself when the ordeal is over.
Your faithful and humble narrator,
Aus
User: Beth-O-Matic | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: TO: Barfly......Damn you....where did you learn such things?...you make me afraid.....(I don't like this...one bit)....But as it is...I pretend that you have heard me.
I REVEL IN YOUR RESPONSE.
I REVEL IN YOUR RESPONSE.
I REVEL IN YOUR
RESPONSE.
Yours Truly....Beth
User: batl apl | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: Yo SteelyDoubt: Yes, it's there. it feels like somebody
listened to an aborted backup singers' vocal refrain and liked it. It's to be
more regarded as an imperfection in fine leather than a
"Yes, you've found
the hidden meaning..." a la Pink Floyd played backwards. I personally prefer the
DF vocals on the rarer
"Becker & Fagen: The Early Years" vinyl and its
deeper lyrics and introspective, slower beat.
User: steelydoubt | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: is it just me or at 3:39 of brooklyn do i hear a "brook" as the backup singer tape thingy is cut off ar am i crazy. i am tired so ill listen tomorrow and see if its still there of some other noise. but can someone verefy this.
User: lp | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: thanks Spongebob!
woops, gotta run!
User: Spongeworthy Bob | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: Good News! Today Sponges are back!
You need a password to see to see this so I thought I better post it here rather than give a web address. Could be useful for the tour you know! This was one of my favorite Seinfeld episodes.
ALLENDALE, N.J. -- The Today Sponge contraceptive is back on the
market,
eight years after it disappeared from American drugstore
shelves in an
alarming turn famously depicted on a "Seinfeld" episode.
The return of the sponge--it is now available over the Internet and
could
be on U.S. shelves in a year or so--is expected to lead to bulk
buying, and
perhaps more spontaneous romance, among its fiercely
loyal users.
"I think there are just thousands of people out there waiting for
it,"
said Marisa Dawson, a nurse in Ocoee, Fla., who is awaiting a
dozen sponges
she paid for in advance last spring.
Allendale Pharmaceuticals, a start-up business in New Jersey, bought
rights to Today Sponge from the drug company that discontinued it.
Allendale began selling it this month through two Canadian Web sites.
More sponges, priced at about $2.90 each, will hit the shelves at
4,000
pharmacies, Wal-Marts and other stores across Canada, according
to
Allendale. The manufacturer is hoping for Food and Drug
Administration
approval within a year to sell them in U.S. stores.
About 250 million polyurethane Today Sponges were sold from 1983 to
1995.
Originally made by a pharmaceutical giant now called Wyeth, it was
taken off the market in 1995 after problems were found at the
company's
Hammonton factory.
The FDA said the sponge's safety and effectiveness were
never
questioned. Wyeth simply stopped selling it rather than pay to
upgrade its plant.
In a 1995 "Seinfeld" episode, the Elaine character runs around New
York
seeking the sponge, her favorite birth control device. She
finally locates a
case at a pharmacy, and stretches the supply by
deciding whether a boyfriend
is "spongeworthy." She makes her
boyfriend scrub his bathroom and pass other
tests before she will
have sex with him.
The episode was apparently more than a work of imagination: Plenty of
real women ran store to store, buying up all they could. Dawson was
living in New York in 1995 and went hunting for sponges.
"I didn't do the `spongeworthy' test, but I was hoarding them," Dawson said.
Since the disappearance of the Today Sponge, two foreign brands have
been
available over the Internet, but not in U.S. stores. Protectaid,
made in
Canada, lacks a withdrawal cord, and Pharmatex, made in
France, costs twice
as much as the Today Sponge.
In 1998, Gene Detroyer, Allendale's president and CEO, and a few
partners
scraped together money to buy the patents and the complex
manufacturing
equipment. Detroyer hoped to get the product back on
shelves in a couple of
years. Instead, tougher new FDA standards for
manufacturing and record
keeping forced repeated delays and a switch
from a contract manufacturer in
Mainland, Pa., to one in Norwich, N.Y.
The first sponges will go mostly to 700 people who pre-ordered as far
back as January 2001 and to some of the 8,000 subscribers to The
Spongeworthy Watch, an e-mail newsletter from birthcontrol.com, said
Barbara Bell, co-owner of the Internet women's products seller. She
said
subscribers ordered about 1,000 boxes in the past week.
User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: Roy....thanks for that post....all I can give you is a big AMEN brother.
p.s....I'd love to hear you cover "Junkie Girl"....I know you would nail the vocal on it.
oh darlin', it's a fucked up world
be cool my little junkie girl....
peace,
MC
User: Roy.scam | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: Why do people get so jacked up about a damned
CD?
Years ago I would often wonder at the excitement of some people over the
release of a record album. Someone would say something like, "New Zep album
comin' out Thursday, man. Am I stoked or what?" My response, after a polite
period of bewildered staring, would be to roll my eyes and make a manual
self-gratification gesture.
"Yeah, they're great; but there is also this
thing called life that may be almost as important. Are you getting married?
getting drafted? having a child? getting the Nobel Peace Prize? .. No! It's a
fucking record. How about a little perspective."
That was years ago when I
had the philosophical notion that, given time, things would sort of fall into
place. Now I've realized that my understanding of existence is inversely
proportional to time spent existing. My threshold of categorizing someone as
easily amused has dwindled to the point that I now envy those people whose world
would hinge on the arrival of that next slice of vinyl. Reluctantly, I've
accepted that this 'life' I kept telling people to get takes place as much
inside the skull as outside. Did Rene' DesCartes ever tell anyone to get a
life?
So , what does a great piece of music do that's so important to people?
Enlighten? Make the world look rosy? Heal your arthritic knee? Rarely. Did I
actually learn anything from, "Black Cow" that helped me handle my own
relationships? Apparently not. Did "Bad Sneakers" teach me how to deal with
mentally disturbed and/or criminally inclined people? Hell no. I don't even know
for sure what the song's about. Does a song give immediate physical
gratification and energize your body like, say, a cheeseburger? No. Wait, yes!
Knowing a great song by heart is a little like having a psychological burger
that you can pull up any time you want without the need for actual proximity.
Plus, it tastes a little different every time, and it doesn't putrify in the
back of you brain if you forget about it for a long time. Psychologists contend
that music is the art form that humans experience the most deeply, so maybe on
some cosmic fulfillment scale, it lands a notch above cheeseburger.
Banal
metaphors aside, I guess what I'm getting at is that the music you like best may
not predict good fortune or make your lot seem happier; but it may make it seem
more mysterious, more infinite with possibilities, and, good or bad, more
interesting. When a song moves you around, you feel like there must be something
out there somewhere that's worth singing about; there must still be frontiers
and undiscovered levels of being. Otherwise, why would we enjoy listening to a
relentlessly grim tale such as "Junkie Girl"?
The trouble is that not just
every talented person with a keyboard can make us think that life is endlessly
fascinating. To me, Messrs. Becker and Fagen and cohorts are among a tiny group
of artists that really unlock those depths. So, roll your eyes and gesture along
while I summarize this long outburst by saying, "New Dan album coming out in
June, man Am I stoked or what?"
The pressure is on you Mister Steely Dan. Make it seem interesting for me to hobble around on this treacherous orb for a few more decades.
RS
User: For: Beth-O-Matic....and the group.................................The Barfly | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: I sit in one of the dives
On Fifty-second
Street
Uncertain and afraid
As the clever hopes expire
Of a low
dishonest decade:
Waves of anger and fear
Circulate over the bright
And darkened lands of the earth,
Obsessing our private lives;
The
unmentionable odour of death
Offends the September night.
Accurate scholarship can
Unearth the whole offence
From Luther until
now
That has driven a culture mad,
Find what occurred at Linz,
What
huge imago made
A psychopathic god:
I and the public know
What all
schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.
Exiled Thucydides knew
All that a speech can say
About
Democracy,
And what dictators do,
The elderly rubbish they talk
To an
apathetic grave;
Analysed all in his book,
The enlightenment driven
away,
The habit-forming pain,
Mismanagement and grief:
We must suffer
them all again.
Into this neutral air
Where blind skyscrapers use
Their full height to
proclaim
The strength of Collective Man,
Each language pours its
vain
Competitive excuse:
But who can live for long
In an euphoric
dream;
Out of the mirror they stare,
Imperialism's face
And the
international wrong.
Faces along the bar
Cling to their average day:
The lights must never
go out,
The music must always play,
All the conventions conspire
To
make this fort assume
The furniture of home;
Lest we should see where we
are,
Lost in a haunted wood,
Children afraid of the night
Who have
never been happy or good.
The windiest militant trash
Important Persons shout
Is not so crude as
our wish:
What mad Nijinsky wrote
About Diaghilev
Is true of the normal
heart;
For the error bred in the bone
Of each woman and each man
Craves
what it cannot have,
Not universal love
But to be loved alone.
From the conservative dark
Into the ethical life
The dense commuters
come,
Repeating their morning vow;
"I will be true to the wife,
I'll
concentrate more on my work,"
And helpless governors wake
To resume their
compulsory game:
Who can release them now,
Who can reach the deaf,
Who
can speak for the dumb?
All I have is a voice
To undo the folded lie,
The romantic lie in the
brain
Of the sensual man-in-the-street
And the lie of Authority
Whose
buildings grope the sky:
There is no such thing as the State
And no one
exists alone;
Hunger allows no choice
To the citizen or the police;
We
must love one another or die.
Defenceless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted
everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange
their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of
dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming
flame.
From Another Time by W. H. Auden, published by Random House. Copyright ¬ 1940 W. H. Auden, renewed by The Estate of W. H. Auden. Used by permission of Curtis Brown, Ltd.
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: Steveedan: It was mentioned on the Blue pages. Amy Helm was one of the performers. Don't know any more.
Attitude. Yeah, they always perform that way. Didn't you see it last year? Email me, if you need more specifics.
User: SteveeDan | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: Angel - I have been meaning to ask you what you meant in your post #1354: "W1P: I think that the best thing about Tedde and company is that they do Steely Dan "With Attitude". Somehow, that makes it more in the original spirit of The Dan."
What attitude are you refering to? Do they do it at every gig you've
seen?
I am curious about this ...
You also wrote more recently in post #1762 that Donald Fagen was playing a gig in NYC the other night. Do you have any details on this event?
This sounds like something we might all want to know more about.
Thanks ... say Hi to the 2 men in your household for me.
SteveeDan
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: I read Wil Weaton.net and sometimes he comes up with
very funny stuff, that he finds on other sites. This one is a Monty Pythonesque
type satire, on the Axis of Evil. Click the link above, or
copy.
http://www.wilwheaton.net/
User: Dog in a box | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: Wanna get to know me?
www.atomiccartoons.com
click "cartoons"
click the picture of the dog at
the bottom
choose an episode
Laugh!
User: angel | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: LP: Martini's aren't a vice? Excuse me? How did you come up with that answer? Now I can see sex as not a vice, if done for it's primary (read Roman Catholic) purpose. But drink? Or do you mean that it is not a vice if done in moderation? Trying to keep my sins straight. :-)
Mu: I asked about the Denny part in KOTW at 4:30 in. You answered, after a fashion, but I was talking about a lower range set of notes that seemed to be more organized, then his other notes. It has become my favorite cool part of that song. As if it didn't have enough cool things before I found it... :-)
Speaking of St. Augustine...I think his image hangs in the new Cathedral of Our Lady of Angels, though I did not see it this morning, when I was there. Will have to check it out, next time, or see if they have a book with his writings.
I don't think Gina is that common a name. I think it's you, G...
Clas: Three dots today, just for you...and I am sorry for upsetting you, the other day. I did not mean what I ended up implying.
Donald Fagen was playing a gig in NYC the other night. I really do think that bodes well for a tour later on in the year. :-)
User: Dog in a box | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: Well are you people going to demand an appearance by D&W or not?
(D&W shouldn't to be confused with R&W, which is a root beer company)
Grrrrrr...
User: C & W | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: Fact is, the Vanilla Coke I bought this morning tasted so good, I had to go down to the store and buy another one.
Great shit, no bones.
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: Also, formal TOS complaints with administrators at anonymizer.com and webtv.com will be submitted. I have records of IP addresses and times and thats all they need to determine who you are and shut you down.
Do us all a favor, man, act like one....
StAl
User: StAl | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: Weak-kneed: Keep it up and I'll block your ability to post.
User: Beerberian | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: Al; Panasonic, of Southfield, Mich., is working with multi-Grammy award-winning recording engineer and producer Elliot Scheiner to create a listening environment for autos that is similar to music studios. Scheiner has worked with music acts such as Steely Dan, Aerosmith and Faith Hill.
The DVD audio players will be available in single-disk instrument panel units, or six-disk instrument panel changers.
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: Believe me, Sweden will be completely unaffected by it
all.
Nobody gives a rats ass about Sweden, not even the Swedes.
User: | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: Someone wrote (to Clas):
"For a guy who lives in a country that isn't in the slightest way affected by what happens in Iraq you sure have alot to say about it."
Maybe you can help us all out here and list the countries that aren't "in the slightest way affected" by the Iraq situation. If (or should that be when?) the US and it's military buddies starts bombing the crap out of Iraq and turning up the dial of Muslim hatred against the west to 11, I sure want to know if I'm in a safe place or not.
Thanks in advance...
User: Yes, | Month: 2 | Day: 5
Message: I had no