SIS Archives -- June 1999

Dr. Mu,

So now the relationship's back on, right? Now that Donald can tune anything he desires to any key he requires thanks to binaramic dynamics? Gee, I hope so. I really hate it when SD uses lush string arrangements to replace synth noise.

And, for those of you planning on a super-swell smoker above ground this weekend, I suggest you check out the sizzlin' silliness of this site: www.ribman.net/

It's rib-ticklin' fun for everyone!

Trying to Tuna Fish,

SEMB

Big Noise New YORK is a killer cut heard it off of MY KOREAN COLLEEN, when and off what tape is it originally from? Fall of 92 has a great sax in it, is that JOHN Klemmer?

Another update to the Reprise new release page and no changes to the release date or the title. The November gets closer and closer - something has to give eventually. You would think if it absolutly wasn't going to happen they would just delet it since it is the last entry. Time, Time, Time, ...

hotohtohotohotohotogho: please keep me informed.

Noah,

I won't name names but some smart aleck queried Dr. Clam as to the difference between himself, a mussell and an oyster with similar educational backgrounds. By changing his name he relieved himself of the obligation to reply.

Don't Eat Him in September,

Roget

My cats name is Mittens.

All I know is that when I'm on LSD,nothing creates the transpsychogenic experiences that vinyl does.
CD 's give me a headache.
That does it for me.
Thanks

Edd:
Ahhhh...Nice site...so the pitch intervals between the 12 notes of an octave are not equal. So fudging is used to make chords and note progression sound similar for different keys. Never occurred to me. Thanks.

I'm glad I've never made a political contribution in my lifetime.

GBM

Re: Doc Mu

Environmental factors do make it hard to keep a piano in tune, but that's not what I was refering to. As an aside, I've long held that any instrument that is struck and released, such as a piano, drum, guitar, etc. will always start sharp and flatten due to the extra pressure causing the string/head to tighten, then relax... but I digress...

What I was refering to was the inability to have mathematical perfection between all the possible intervals on a piano. Frinstance, using a puretone scale, a piano tuned so that the 5th C/G is a perfect 3:2 will yield a highly discordant 1024:675 when the 5th F#/C# is played. Other scales introduce other errors.

For some real fun...

http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/tuninghist.html

Sorry about the multiples - it kept telling me that it didn't go thru.

yeow

Why is Dr. Clam now spelled Dr. Klamm?

big noise,
your mother is so accommodating i don't understand how you got to be such a contrarian shithead.

Stranger..The only thing that's grating here are your posts.

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DD: We accept your offer. We've been looking for someone in today's economy who will do a voice over for minimum wage. BTW, I prefer *deep blue* over maroon, which put 15 lbs on my frame. Then when we "mix-down" the tape using non-linear digital editing, I can become a Cheshire cat in a blink of an eye.

Schwinn: Donald Fagen announced in a short article published years ago (~1991?), that he was "through with buzz" meaning that he would no longer use synthesizers. He was distressed by the fact that the current day synths were "tuned at the factory." Thus he couldn't tune them to his specifications (which we know arer correct). Notice, they didn't show up on Kamakiriad.

TIMELINE RECIPE FOR STEELY DAN CD AT THE TURN OF THE CENTURY

take all estimates, such as time required to mix (3 months) and multiply by 4. Add one year. Bake at 140 degrees farenheit for 19 years. Serve.

altamira,
your offer is sweet, but please don't take my advice. just hear it out. politics is in a very bad way because it's too expensive to run. you can't win without loads of tv ads. the ads are for 30 and 60 seconds. you can't say anything worthwhile in that time, so the ads just pander to deep-seated fears or emotions, blatant attempts to hit a nerve with soccer moms or old white males or whoever the pollsters say must be targeted. the candidates pay for these ads by running around begging for money from rather disgusting rich folks who must be courted sweetly. so the candidates are the kinds of people who don't mind running around for years begging money from disgusting people. there's no way for an abe lincoln or harry truman to rise from such a mess. the campaign proces transfers money from the rich disgusting folks to the big media companies, using the candidates as middle men. the people who make the laws did well under this sorry system and won't change it. the answer is to ban all tv ads and place real limits on how much can be spent on the rest. the media conglomerates should be forced to contribute 1/2 hour or 1 hour blocks to campaigners and debates. the airwaves they use belong to us and they don't pay for them.

i'm not going to vote for bush's son, gore's son, fobes' son or dole's wife. that's not what this country is supposed to be about. these people inherited their place in life. i lean toward people like kerrey, kerry and mcCain. i like smart people who were tested in battle and didn't panic. they're special people. but mcCain would cater to the various right-wing nut lobbies. and kerrey and kerry hate pandering to rich folks. so we're stuck. i probably won't vote for anybody or will write in a vote for somebody dead like harry truman.

???

Just starting to mix? Jesus Christ! What happens if they hear something they don't like as they mix? A sound they just didn't get quite right in the studio. Got to bring in more musicians. More delays. I think all talk of a new one is just a cruel hoax.
Ole, maybe you should change the pool to a simple before or after the return of Haley's Comet.

Very cool new front page on the official site. Looks joKeRish in style.

Katy Lied: welcome . . . just checked out your site. creative and thought-provoking. I think we need you to visit the GB often to contribute like ideas.

This is a great site, thanks for keeping for the faith!! I sure wish the boys would get their shit together and tour again...

Katy*

Katy Did... Or Didn't She?
The Secret Hypertext Diary of Katy Lloyd
http://katy-lied.8m.com

So if the mixdown process takes a month(?) and appears to be done at the end of July if you read between the paragraphs - would it be logical to assume that the new CD might actually be released around Nov.? If they are this close to finishing it, is there any chance they really don't have a title? How long does it take to do the artwork and packaging? - the making of the CD's doesn't take long at all. Overall very favorable tidbits of news.

Is anyone going to see Denny Dias in Boston this weekend?

Always a bridesmaid, never a bride...

Edd,

Thank you for succinctly bridging the not-so-great divide between analog and digital.

Puttin' on the Pastoral,

SEMB

(slowly moves from crime scene towards viewer)

DD: "It's official. We all have a digital to analog converter in our heads and that's why CD's are here to stay.

(DD moves to viewer's right, capturing a smugly smiling Dr. Mu wearing a 12th Man T-shirt.)

DD: "So remember, ITT Tech can put you on the cutting edge of today's new science. And you'll need that once "The New One" hits your favorite music store."

One more intro: I have to add the IGY intro to the group of my second favorites, in fact, The Nightfly is growing on me very quickly these days. I guess it's Donald's voice, yep, that's it. I love the way he slides around the notes.

I guess most people in here have felt for years the way I'm feeling now---- I sure would love to meet Don and Walt in person, they are so fascinating, and I suppose it will never happen. :( Couldn't they just have one year they devote to talking to all the fans, one by one?

RoseDarling: Of course I meant you! I'm glad you're back!

Alt: You're forgiven, but then forgiveness is a way of life in here, you don't even have to ask!

Herm: Glad to see you come out of the cave for awhile! I'll be interested in your opinion.

Randall P: I think you said something about hearing Gershwin (sp) in SD and yes, I have had that thought. I'm pretty sure it's somewhere in Throw Back the Little Ones, in the middle somewhere. But now and then that "show tune" feeling, yes.

Some of these posts lately tell me that guys don't like being misunderstood any more than we gals do. *grin* Just remember no fist fights, guys, or the supersoaker comes out!

Don't look now but we might be making an impact------we've got Janet Fitch with a best seller called, "White Oleander" along with Danielle Steele's latest called "Granny Dan!" I think I'll change my posting name to Granny Dan in about 30 years.

O Michael: Your bed and breakfast comment was quite comical, lol. Honey, try not to post right after ES, this is why you arouse suspicion----I predict you're going to soon have those two hopelessly mixed up, and the truth will be out about us. So try to keep your personalities straight, lol.

El Supremo: My thoughts exactly! ILYM.

Just Katy :)

Sal - Well, yes, Fagen writes some corny lyrics sometimes (I've also seen "cheesy" used in some reviews), but I find the corny lyrics rather endearing.

Hilary Clinton having a tough time... - So just what is wrong with "unadulterated Victorian" style? Yes, some people with poor taste decorate with Victorian furniture in a manner that doesn't do justice to the furniture, but the best of 19th-century design was pretty impressive. One of these days, when I have some money, I'm going to buy one of the lovely Victorian houses around here and decorate it in a historically accurate manner and furnish it with the antiques I now own and some more pieces I plan to buy, and my dream is to get it on the annual Logan Circle house tour. I know, yours was a clever satirical piece and I enjoyed reading it; I'm just pretty touchy about 19th-century design.

Dr. Mu - Thanks for your informative posts. I have learned a great deal. I wish I had that recording of Fagen performing Big Noise, New York, but I suppose it's unavailable these days. Anyway, Jennifer Warnes does a pretty good interpretation of it (she's quite good looking, too, definitely my kind of woman), and I do get to hear Fagen singing in the background, so I'll be content with what I have.

Herm - Good to hear from you again. Thanks for the tip about Carlton and Rittenour.

The Stranger - Yes, I was apologizing again, but this time it was for an error I had made that I caught myself, not to some moron who doesn't like what I wrote for no well-explained reason - I don't apologize to people like that anymore! I am standing up for myself these days, and I don't think you're wrong. And thanks for the advice.

King Vinyl - I remember reading, back when CDs were first becoming popular, that they do not capture the full quality of the sound as analog recordings do, and lose such things as "hall ambiance," which is important in live classical recordings (the article dealt only with classical music) and, I would suppose, other types of live music recorded indoors. I'm sure there are other important aspects of the sound that are being lost as well. I still have a stack of vinyl records, but nothing to play them on as I have no room for a full-size stereo with a turntable in my little apartment. I'll buy a turntable once I move into a bigger place.

Katy Dan Fan - Thanks; I'm glad you enjoyed it. I suppose I'm learning quickly because there's so much here on the GB to learn from and so many great leads for doing research. I'm looking forward to you film! Sounds fun. That Pottery Place sounds exciting, but I should probably avoid it until I move to a bigger place, since my antique ceramics are taking up every square inch of available space at the moment.

Stranger - Ok, I am now aware of your political leanings, and I will forget my previous misinformation. I used to like Al Gore, but I've been reading lately of his support for testing of household products on animals, so I think I will have to find someone else to vote for. Who do you suggest? I am serious; I would really like to know your thoughts on this matter and I will take your advice when I vote in the next presidential election. No conservatives, of course; I'd like to keep my civil rights, such as they are.

Regarding the Art of Tea - I haven't heard it yet, but the name intrigues me. There is a little restaurant in Dupont Circle called Teaism that serves the most astoundingly good food. It's expensive, I would normally balk at paying eight dollars for lunch, but at this place it's worth it. The place is designed in the style of a Japanese tea room (on two levels), and it smells wonderful. The food is just too amazing to even begin to describe - absolutely the most wonderful flavor and presentation that one could ever imagine. So when I see "Art of Tea," I think about Teaism and wonder if Franks' music is as good as the food at this restaurant. If it is, I would definitely buy the CD.

sorry, michael franks fans, but i find his voice just too sweet and monotonous & eventually grating.

Look at yourselves, you're hanging with nurds.

This site blows me away, from music reviews to techno buffs, there is a wealth of very informed and talented people that post here. Yes there are ballbusters and jaggoffs too, but thats what keeps this G.B. from getting stale. BTW is there a summer Danfest planned for this year?

El supremo- And you don't think that Donald Fagen has "strange vocal range"? Remember one thing about Franks, all of his lyrics in all of his songs are "corny." (even the ones that Becker produced), so it must be that you just don't like him, period. Believe me El Supremo, as much as I love the "Donald" I think you should give a listen to Kamakiriad before you call any song on the Art of Tea corny.

Howdy, DanFanGangLand!!!

Well, 'Michael', it is David Sanborn, NOT Donald Sanborn, you 'Yankee'. It must have been you had Mr. Fagen 'on-the-brain' as Schwinn has Oklahoma, Oleander has lyric interpretation, Katy has 'you', Chris has the new CD's and "Q" is wagering on Ebay for a "Bed and Breakfast Inn" called, "Come With Steely Dan tonight for your delight"!

Anyway, what a glorious time . . .could it be that I have found my 'Home-at-Last?'

So, Walter and Donald must be waiting (as the studio moguls are) to release "Two Against Nature" in just the appropriate time for the Grammy nominations?

". . .I-Got-The-News----can't you see our love will grow, KatyDan, when you just 'get rid of him (El Supremo)'???

Saludos, and Drink MORE San Miguel beer from the Philippines, as my mutual funds are growing with every drink----sure miss those 'hospitality girls'.

Michael
; )

Hello, DanFanDom!

Well, in my personal opinion, which is like an anal cavity for everyone, I have listened to Michael Frank's, "The Art of Tea", and only found corny lyrics, a strange vocal range, etc.

However, there are some very good players on this set which include Michael Brecker, Donald Sanborn, Joe Sample, and Larry Carlton.

Worth a listen, not worth buying, but interesting, anyway.

So much for my two-cents-worth!

JustKaty----looking to love you soon, darling!

Cheers!

ES

Mr. Henry van der Luyden
President of the Co-op Board
The Ardsthorpe
Fifth Avenue
New York, New York, 10028

Dear Ms. Rodham Clinton Rodham:

We are delighted to be in receipt of your application for ownership and residency in our distinguished building. As you know, a personal interview with the members of the Board will be required. We cannot schedule it, however, without some further documentation. Here at The Ardsthorpe, we must know what to expect.

Please understand that we wish to be fair. It is not true that we are a star chamber whose mission is to keep out people and shatter their self-esteem. (There are even entertainment lawyers living in the building.) But your unusual background and circumstances leave us no choice but to explore some delicate matters more deeply.

Unfortunately, The Ardsthorpe cannot satisfy itself simply with the Starr report, which only skimmed the surface. Surely you appreciate that the sterling reputation of this address is owed to its success at keeping out the less fetching and the less fortunate elements -- minorities, show people, journalists, swarthy Arab royalty, half-dressed songbirds, disgraced Presidents, people with pre-existing medical conditions and political consultants, among others.

Hence, we will need written assurances on the following points.

1. Will your husband be living with you? We understand your reticence in your public response to questions concerning the state of your marriage, and we guarantee discretion. But here at The Ardsthorpe, we will not be spun. We prize our tranquillity. We need to know in advance how many nights a month Mr. Clinton will be on the premises, so that your neighbors will not have to turn a skeptical eye on every pizza delivery.

2. Can you explain your admiration for the work of one Kaki
Hockersmith, the Little Rock interior decorator who redid your White House? Here at The Ardsthorpe, a building to which Sotheby's makes regular deliveries, we would hope to avoid bordello fabrics. Unlike the White House, The Ardsthorpe is not the People's House. We have an esthetic tradition to maintain. It does not include "unadulterated Victorian."

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Blumenthal lurk conspiratorially around our marble lobby? We assume you understand that funds are not to be raised or solicited on our premises. Some of your past political friends, like Johnny Chung, are N.O.C.D. (Not Our Class, Dear). Here at The Ardsthorpe, overnight guests are not paying guests.

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premises and about the demands on its mailbox space. Please provide the Board with a veterinarian's letter attesting to the death of both your pets, with forensic evidence attached.

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Yours discriminatingly,

Henry van der Luyden

Solid Gold: The Winners was the first page I clicked on and I posted right after that. There's another mention of MIXING on the new steely e-mail page. Weeee-hooo!

BN: Yeah, the other stuff about COMING SOON: Important Announcement! and Walter's latest Ho Craig letter pale in significance

contest winners on the ODP!

Sorry, didn't mean to repost Danny's original message.

Also - it's been a long time since I looked inside a piano. Some of the notes have 2 or one strings which are stuck by the hammer.

That was nice, KV. But you neglected to inform Dr. Mu that comparing digital to Frequency Modulation and analog to Amplitude Modulation was like comparing an in-the-ear hearing aid to an ear-horn. He's a Newtonian, baby. That's for sure.

Ok, I'm like Really, Really Gone,
Danny

Danny: The use of the FM/AM comparison was appropriate I thought. Here's why. With AM or amplitude modulation information is coded by amplitude (i.e., size) on a band of carrier wavers (i.e., band width) sent by a transmitter in the kHz range. The frequencies advertized by the stations you listen to are the median carrier frequency at the center of the band width. The louder a blow from a horn, the greater the amplitude of that particular signal. Changes in pitch change the amplitude of the signal "hangin ten" on another carrier wave. This is like a mechanical analog systems (like the vinyl/needle system). It is susceptiple to noise from mechanical sources (radio: bumping into the antenna; vinyl/needle: dust, bumps, and imperfections on the vinyl) and from electrical sources (radio: vacuum cleaner, lightening; vinyl/needle: static charges on the vinyl other electrical equipment).

FM or frequency modulation codes the information not by size, but by frequency. FM Each pulse or blip is the same size on a carrier wave. Thus, the signal wave carries either an all or none (i.e., 1 or 0) at any time. That makes FM coding like digital information as it is binary. Clumps of data or changes in the frequency allows us to code for loudness (higher volume = higher frequency) or pitch, etc. FM is inherently more noise free and has higher fidelity (I think we all know this by experience). These types of systems are less sensitive to motion artifact (movement or mechanical) and electrical interference. Just get in your car on a stormy night on a bumpy road if you don't believe me Of course, the larger band-width allowed by the FCC for FM doesn't hurt.

Of course nature thought of thise type of strategy well (hundreds of millions of years) before human engineers became clever enough to make it a reality. For example motor neurons which carry nerve impulses from the spinal cord to the muscle codes the information by frequency, not amplitude. If I want to lift 20 lbs as opposed to 10 lbs, I recruit my muscle fibers at a higher frequency. The nerve impulses caalled action potentials are all the same size (100 mV tall and 2 ms long). So again the information is binary or digital! The physical carrier (nerves with fatty sheaths of cells called myelin) act as an insultor an propagator so that the digital signal is not lost, much like fiber optic cables (OK a bit slower). The point is that we have an FM/fiber optic like system which is virtually 100% efficient in transmitting signals from the CNS to the muscles. An AM of vinyl/needle system would be prone to artifact and error each time you moved your arm.

KV: I realize it will be nearly impossible to convince you. And again I'm concerned about the original amount of data on the digital masters But I'll give it one more shot and address your points.

I didn't say that the laser was a perfect transducer. But the problems with signals loss and warping are much greater with the vinyl/needle system. The oversampling for CDs is an editing/correction system for mistakes (if the body has such a problem in the nuclesu of cells - rapid aging results - but it doesn't it uses the same strategy when producing new DNA (mitosis) or RNA (protein production)). It occurs constantly. With the counterbalance weight - you get one shot and it only corrects for ONE direction (vertical as it lets the needle settle into the groove).

Don't be afraid of compression for text or audio. The data is not "lost." (unless it's digital video) You must already have some trust in this as you must be using a computer to POST. All the programs you use were stored in compressed form, the Stuffit or another program expanded the data for your use. Your computer did not have to guess at the content of missing lines of does, because they weren't missing. Still, the care in the algorithms used especially early on in compressing/decompressing may have been suspect. We need a real audio engineer to clear this up.

Noise reductions like the dreaded Dolby and even dbx (which does sound nice an brassy) tend to filter, clip, or massage the signals. Digital precessing (I bet there's a microprocessor somewhere in your amplifier system, eh - Oh, wait I bet you have an 10,000 cubic foot room with audio amplifiers using vacuum tubes - You want to avoid those nasty transistors!) has been a very importan noise reduction system for a long time. EX. Analog and Digital noise reduction systems were developed for applications like air traffic control in the 70's and before. Perhaps you would advocate going back to a bouncing ball scope, a wet finger, and binoculors!??

I'll leave you with 2 thoughts:
1) You're about to have radial keratonomy surgery to correct nearsightendess. Would you rather have the physican use a a) laser system with computer guidance or b) a diamond needle scalpel?

2) You're about to have a delicate operation to remove a tumor abutting the pituitary gland. Would you rather have the physican use a a) laser system with computer guidance or b) a diamond needle scalpel? YOU DECIDE!

Edd: I thought you couldn't tune a fish. Seriously though, I think you're saying that it's impossible to keep a piano in perfect tune even for a short time. While you have 88 separate lever/hammer/3 string mechanical systems, once you start to play some stretching or settling will occur, then you have to tweak, and repeat numerous times. By the time you get through 88 keys going back and forth as you continue to test the system you get it close enough. I thought that someone here mentioned that the piano for Western music is tuned deliberately a little out of tune (was it flat?) for our ears. I remember that distinctly.

Hey,

I know nothing about Michael Franks' music, except, that is, what I've read in jazz magazines and news groups, which was never anything very commendable. They tended to lump him in with John Tesh and Kenny G, (my fingers are burning just from typing out their names!), and further research has shown me that that does not seem to be fair. One place that I have been using lately is the All Music Guide, which, as difficult as it sounds, seems to be pretty fair, intelligent, and knowlegeable in it's assessments of virtually all types of music. It had very good things to say about Franks' album, "Blue Pacific", which was produced by Walter and Roger Nichols, (maybe RN only handled the engineering, now that I think of it).

I bring this up to say thank you, fellow GB'ers, for enlightening me onto a new artists. I think I will sneak out of the cave one night, and visit a 24 hour Tower.

By the way, if you've never heard the album "Larry and Lee", by Mr. Carlton and Mr. Ritenour, I suggest that you go out and buy it. What a great album by two incredible guitarist. The funny thing is, in the liner notes they say that they never worked together before, yet, they are both listed as playing on "Deacon Blues". So, perhaps, they just weren't in the studio at the same time. If you've got time, tell me what guitartists/and their albums you all like. I'll touch on some more of my favorites later.

Later,

Herm

I'll have to give the nod to Michaell Franks The Art Of Tea. There is not a bad song on it and I doubt very much that Franks will ever equal it.( any singer that has the Crusaders backing them up has to be great!) I would also have to say that The Art Of Tea is Micheal Franks's Aja.

Edd: and a quite imperfectly tuned piano would naturally be more "Cage"ian....

ygk

"Perfectly tuned piano" is a bit of an oxymoron. Since it only has a limited number of pitch possibilities (at any one time) a "perfectly" tuned piano is a mass of compromises. Everything is tweaked to make it sound as good as possible in as many keys as possible, but the price is mathematical imperfection.

Hello all --

Just Katy: Was that hello for me or another RoseDarling??

Flew in on Saturday. Compared to green, grey, wet Oregon, this is a BIG change. Still adjusting. I'm taking a much deserved and needed 3-weeker. Every morning, wake up feeling a little like that poor sorry sailor, passed out.... The trick is hydration.

Will check in later. I enjoy reading your posts!

geena,
this will work out beautifully. you will have wonderful stories to tell your daughter. get back safe and let us know everything.

altamira,
stop fucking apologizing already. stand up for yourself. although i could be wrong.

Mitch – If I can only pick between those two, then it has to be “Passionfruit”. Franks had developed his compositions a fair bit more by then. I do credit “The Art of Tea” extra kudos for Franks’ braving the release as a live album – and with Larry Carlton & Joe Sample as well, how could it fail? However, the track “Amazon” from “Passionfruit” could melt the polar caps. It is an awesome piece of music with the sexiest flute solo I have ever heard (and I have many Dave Valentin albums)! That said, “Birchfield Nines” remains my favourite album.

King Vinyl – I noticed the cut and paste job on the cover of “Pretzel Logic” as well. Those things that look like Bagels on sticks seem not to be originally part of the guy’s stock to me. It could be that the whole picture was pasted.

Please disregard the comment about Pearl of the Quarter; the interval in question is only a fifth. My brain must be getting fuzzy. From now on, I will listen to something before I write about it and not rely on my memory. Please forgive me.

DF's countermoon just began. What about yours?

Seven Seconds,

Blue "Lou" Ray

P.S. All this CD/ Vinyl crap is making me long for 8-tracks. Shut up and listen for the the "Brrrrrrup" channel change. Nothing was more remarkable than an 8-track head jumping around on a 1/4" piece of oxide moving at 3 3/4" ips. Talk about technology!

That was nice, KV. But you neglected to inform Dr. Mu that comparing digital to Frequency Modulation and analog to Amplitude Modulation was like comparing an in-the-ear hearing aid to an ear-horn. He's a Newtonian, baby. That's for sure.

Ok, I'm like Really, Really Gone,

Danny

Dr. Mu: You speak like a true physicist. Wrong to a fault.

1. How can the triple laser be a perfect transducer if it must constantly correct not only for source errors, but for errors in its own tracking? I'll bet on Pickering... If you think about it, over-sampling is just like adusting a tone arm for anti-skating. How many times have you heard the recorded material on a record begin before the stylus actually hit the groove? It's Newton vs. Einstein and I daresay no scientist worth his salt is going to give up the "planetary" model of the atom...

2. In real-time recording, 2 gigs will give you about 11 minutes of time on 4 tracks. Can you honestly tell me that removing 90% of the original data is going to give me the same real-time quality? Digital compression is constantly comparing "what is" with "what is coming" and distilling (yet expanding) the content to roughly approximate the original source. That's all there is to it. Noise reduction was an afterthought. We already had dbx before digital and it offered unheard of S/N ratio(s). The true reason for digital audio? Cheap, cheap, cheap to make and shiny, shiny, shiny to look at your reflection in while you plopped down another $14.99 for a disc. I mean, look how cheap recordable CD's are. About 1/4 of a chrome cassette bought in bulk. Hey, but that's just another sign of the New Frontier, right?

Hooking Up a New Altec-Lansing Sub-Woofer,

KV

G.K.Richard et al : Lace up those Nike - lets just do it.

Mr Chow
Save your money on the rental of the BLBC video,I am pretty sure
I have a copy stashed somewhere,I'll try and dig it out before Saturday.
Good King Richard
Danfest IV,why not!

KV: It's a formidible challenge, but the *critical* question is whether there's enough discrete data per unit time on a CD and how good the D/A converter is (I'm not completely convinced of the CD players prowess here admittedly). Unlike digital video, digital audio can be compressed and decompressed without data loss if done properly. The oversampling is to overcome mistracking of the laser. You don't get that luxury with vinyl and since the curves are not concentric or even consistent in depth of path - it's a matter of the non-homogeneous vinyl media (even the virgin stuff). What I'm saying is that it's mechanically impossible for the needle to follow the groove perfectly and collect all the data that's there. There's there's data lost since the diamond needle and cartirdge is not a perfect transducer changing a mechanical signal to an electrical signal...even with a great cartridge, there's data loss there as well - there's heat emiited which is proof enough. Vinyl is not real time data (are you there like now when Fagen is overdubbing his vodals? I thought not). Vinyl is continuous data, but not *actually* real time. We can assume in both cases that the original data were collected real-time except for Wendellian tricks. Plus you've got a lot of noise to deal with analog audio. Digital was probably invented as more of a noise reduction system than anything (which could be a potential problem with some of the algorithms written if the good noise is eliminated with the bad noise). So the major question is simply this: Is continuous data storage (which isn't really continuous, just a meandering pattern of oxides) on vinyl greater than on a CD

I think that sometimes the virtual elimination of noise with digital with expanded dynamic range is unsettling to our brains. Example: a perfectly tuned piano (Edd or someone else discussed this first) sounds quite odd to the ear - and may give us the impression that something's missing - it is the noise and mechanical vibrations that we expect to be incorporated into the sound. Our brains interpret things in strange ways. For example, the dew point here is 78. At 93° and high humidity, the air "feels thick." But iin fact that's an illusion as the air is much less dense that a cool dry day of 40°. Until recently most digital masterings also didn't seem to pay attention to the subtleties like harmonics - so I stuck stubbornly to vinyls until recently. It might be a good idea to listen to a CD in a room with a wooden floor and the speakers positionsed maybe a little out of phase (you can make one of the speaker cables a bit longer and achieve this) While I still believe that a 72 min CD or the digital equivalent should store far more data than the 650 MB allotted (I think that figure's right - I'm not an audio engineer), on my system newer CD can sound better. In theory digital sound should be better (if not now for you high enders then someday) than analog for some of the same reasons why FM (frequency modulation) sounds better than AM (amplitude modulation). Since nature is continuous and discrete at the same time - perhaps the utopian system would be a simultaneous digital and analog system...ahh, the yin and yang of it all.

GEENA!! You're GOING!! That's great! Good luck with everything, I hope it's a wonderful trip and do remember babies' ears hurt on planes, especially at descent, so if she cries, it's not to be taken personally! Can't wait to hear from you. E me if you don't have time to post when you get back! (that confetti is for you and your new family as you arrive back in the USA)

Altamira: I enjoyed your post re: Donald's voice. Gee, you're studying the Dan at the speed of lightning! Soon you'll open your own web site! Your mention of the long intro of the song in the movie made me think of how I do love the intro to Gaucho, and yes that needs to be a little longer for the screenplay I'm working on! :) Aja will fit into this screenplay also. I know screenplay producers don't tolerate writers picking all the music and putting it with your submission in the beginning, but I'm keeping these songs on a list, they'll be too perfect to refuse, I'm sure. (I forgot to tell you that I spent nearly two hours at Pottery Place on Fenwick Island on the way home. I'm going to have to stay out of there for awhile.)

El Supremo: Hugs and kisses, sweetheart! ILY!

Just Katy :)

mr. chow,
thanks for the report on new diana krall album. the day after reading your post i received a $5 virtual coupon from amazon, so how could i lose? i ordered the album and am watching the mailbox. was too much to hope for that she would be singing becker-fagen's 'do it again,' which isn't her style song.

chef,
my best to june lockhart. she must be about 107 by now. sorry to hear little timmy got into some questionable behavior with metal men, but as i recall, the little fucker's dead anyway.

hey, it's nice to see altamira and oleander debating my political beliefs. actually, i am looking forward to a race between prince bush and prince gore, the son of a president and the son of a senator, to determine the winning son of a bitch. maybe next we can just appoint a king and house of lords and avoid all these unpleasant elections.

Dr. Mu: I'll accept that challenge. You realize you are stating that "compressed" data can be de-compressed and sound better than real-time data? Impossible. If you believe that then you probably have "Time After Time", "Somewhere in Time" and "The Time Machine" in your personal video collection. The mere fact that you mention "over-sampling" as a criteria for the validation of your argument renders it invalid in my book.

Time is a constant. To look forward or back is to compromise it. Prove me wrong.

Sleeping Gypsy,

KV

Altamira: Nice analysis of Fagen's vocals and own backup. On True Companion it sounds like both Fagen and Zack Sanders are backing - best of both worlds. Godd point about fagen being "in phase" with himself - not too many can do that. His Big Noise New York demo was on one of the import singles from Kamakiriad (darn, forgot which one). Warnes' production was similar. I like Fagen's version which seems a bit snappier - maybe it's those consonants.

John Henry: Astute observation concerning the misspelling of "Pretzels" as "Pretzles". If you own the big-art album here are a couple of other things to peruse: 1. Notice the obvious (sloppy) cut and paste job where the boiling pot has been inserted. No way that was in the original photo. Also, what are those letters spelling out to the right of the pot on the cart? "ICES"? 2. The lower sign on the cart spells pretzels correctly, but notice how the type looks like Press-Type, as if it was added at a later date. And how much do "Fresh Pretzels" cost? More than hot ones?

Dr. Mu & Roy: If Pi = 3.0 the capstone would be missing from the Great Pyramid. Ooops! It is missing!

In Square Circle,

KV

No Clever Name Available - One of these days I will track down the version of FM, my second-favorite Dan song, with the guitar at the end - thanks for the hints on where to find it.

Oleander - I was just going by what I read in one post, I am relieved to find out that I was mistaken. Yma Sumac is quite a trip indeed.

Geena - Best of luck to you. From what I've been reading, what does tend to get confiscated these days is laptop computers - the inspectors are worried about what might be on the hard drive. If you don't have a computer with you, you should be fine.

Altamirage - Hey! Welcome to the cave!

Now I'm treading onto dangerous ground, for I am about to give my comments on a CD that I just bought that I suppose every other Dan Fan on the face of the earth has had for the last ten years, at least. But I hope that I might have something a bit different to say about it. Yes, I just bought the expanded edition of Gold, without the other version of my nearly-favorite Dan song that I had so much wanted to hear.

Anyway, regarding Century's End, I am once again just blown away by Fagen's diction. He ennunciates better than most classical singers - damn, that man can sing consonants! I just wish he could impart that skill to Becker, it would've made 11TOW easier to listen to (oh, I am so bad, whack, whack, whack!). It also has a delightfully catchy tune; I've been humming it at work.

Regarding True Companion, dang, that is one long intro, but I know that it was part of a film score so the instrumental part was probably covering some action on the screen, and it is pleasant to listen to. But the singing, oh, my, it's so lush and gorgeous, I just wish it went on for another 30 minutes. I've been thinking about how Fagen achieves that luscious and creamy sound, which can also be heard, in a more subdued manner, on the backup vocals for Jennifer Warnes' version of Big Noise, New York (did Fagen ever record or perform this song at any point? I'd love to know). I suspect that using a second singer is crucial to the sound. When Fagen simply uses multiple tracks of his own voice, as he does so beautifully on Maxine, the sound lacks a certain measure of fullness and depth. I think this is because when he multitracks his own voice, all the oscilliations of his voice on the various tracks match, which results in a flawlessly blended sound, but almost too perfect. But when he adds a second singer whose voice blends well with his but has its own slightly different oscillations, the other singer's voice kind of fills in around Fagen's voice and provides a fuller, yet still perfectly blended, sound. I've listened to True Companion and Big Noise, New York a number of times on my headphones, and I think that the other singer is doubling all of Fagen's tracks, except for the melody line on True Companion, which lends the greatest fullness of sound. Of course, this tremendously smooth sound does not offer the sort of wonderful expression that is such an important part of Fagen's singing elsewhere, especially on Kamakiriad (hey, back off there, flamers, I'm quite fond of Fagen and I just love Kamakiriad, we're all entitled to our opinions, ok?), but he's always been a most versatile singer and can produce all different kinds of sounds, all of which are marvellous and delightful to listen to.

BTW, to help along the plot I mentioned in a previous post, I just noticed that the narrator's green world is across the space time, not beyond it. This opens up the options a bit.

To head off in a completely different direction, I noticed recently that in the song Pearl of the Quarter, on the line "And if you see my sweet Louise, won't you tell her...", Fagen goes up an octave to sing one note and then drops down again. This is extreme;y difficult to sing well, as I know from experience, yet Fagen does it effortlessly, even connecting all the notes to one another, unlike many singers who approach the high note as if they were a mountain goat jumping up to a cliff and then back down again, separating all the notes from one another. I tell you, the more I listen to Fagen, the more I am impressed with his singing - his skill is just amazing. (Personal note: my middle name is Louise, don't let anyone know I told you that.)

Hi!------- Just cruising!!.............Roy Scam!, did you know that "Rick Derringer" played on the "The Nightfly??....I didn`t!!........Mr Chow! ",i`ve got my eye on that Postman!!!!!!

Mitch: I haven't heard every Franks' song but here are my 2 piasters:

Best album: Art of Tea - the seamless combination of excelent songs and Tommy LiPuma's production wins by a neck over Rob Mounsey's most Dan-like Passionfriut and the 3 layer cake of Blue Pacific. I actually might go for Blue Pacific if not for the heavy faux percussive Jeff Lorber produced tracks 1 and 6. Although I haven't heard every song, I'm VERY impressed with limited listens to Abandoned Garden and it subtleties - a sensual and slightly muted rainforest of sound.

Favorite track: "Vincent's Ear" - poetry and Becker production. Also, stroke of genius recruiting Livingston Taylor for backup vocals on Crayon Sun.

Coolest musicianship: Sample and Carlton on Long Slow Distance from Blue Pacific.

Ole: Our 15 min of jazz on NPR revealed the demonstrative talent of Charlie Taylor a couple of weeks ago. I mean I was slack-jawed. He's as nimble as his namesake, the wide receiver from the Redskins in the 70's...sounds like a winner. How many releases does he have? virtual trip to CDNow... BTW, it's the leaves bursting into colors come autumn that's an oxidation event; losing color from our manes is a tick-tock event with a cortisol boilermaker.

OL: Glad that you're a convert now. Their new one fell in my lap like manna and is much different. A Greek Tragedy after one Comedy and one schizophrenic on rye drama...the genius is just beginning to permeate these fat-laden neurons. To start in familiar territory, you could start with Army then proceed cautiously to the beginning.

Just checking in from my lookout in the bunker...

hoto... post once pleeease!

Geena: make sure you keep a tight hold on all precious luggage... otherwise have a great time.

Messrs Randell, Chang and Chow: 'musician'? Please define your terms. I have a piano, but then, I also have a shower. So, yes I play piano and I sing, and my 1 yr old has a drum sampler.

Also, somewhere tucked away I have the video of New Frontier.

With FANOFDAN are we approaching a sustainable Danfest IV Downunder?

Richard&kangaroos

The soundtrack "FM" has, as its first track, the original version of "FM", with the guitar at the end. The last track is a very short reprise of "FM" made up of only the sax solo. The original "Gold" album has the version with the guitar. But when the expanded "Gold" was released, they had deleted the guitar from the end and replaced it with the sax solo from the reprise. To my knowledge, any subsequent releases (Citizen, etc) have the version with the sax.
Personally, I prefer the guitar, and hear it on the radio every so often. Since my turntable is collecting dust in a closet, I never get to play the original, as my unexpanded Gold is on vinyl (Waaah).

Michael (Moore)--It's not a question of competition. They have singular strengths, and of course their spectacular synergy is a frequent topic of conversation here....

Alta--calling the Stranger conservative is defamation of character. Amazingly enough, the Permasqueeze walked in last week with a cd of Yma Sumac's greatest hits. We got through about one and a half.

Randall--Wow. That's great. Really.

RS--That gives me a vision of a bunch of people [picture DanFesters] walking around a la Fahrenheit 451 telling each other strings of binary Dan transcriptions....

Technoboys--thanx for the instructive comments on cd's. Tell me: as I oxidize, how come my head gets more & more silver? Doesn't look much like rust.

St.Al--way to track him down! Please tell him he still has a place to go--and give him a big sloppy Babylon Sister kiss.

Clas--aw, shucks, it's just my job.

Anybody listening to Charlie Hunter's "Natty Dread"? Some great retoolings of some great tunes. What think, Joe? The guy's a comer.

just got this from a friend:

p.s. new band of real heavy hitters from western Mass. and Conn. called'Naked Lunch"yep! you guessed it..Steeley Dan tribute. Mark Morris is the guitarist and I did a gig with him last week. He says its going to be a killer. Keys,bass, drums, guit. trumpet, and sax.
lets keep an eye out, they should be ready in a few weeks.

ps if you folks like m. franks you'll love the new dan cd, it will have not quite as biting lyrics as mf.

poop

just got this from a friend:

p.s. new band of real heavy hitters from western Mass. and Conn. called'Naked Lunch"yep! you guessed it..Steeley Dan tribute. Mark Morris is the guitarist and I did a gig with him last week. He says its going to be a killer. Keys,bass, drums, guit. trumpet, and sax.
lets keep an eye out, they should be ready in a few weeks.

ps if you folks like m. franks you'll love the new dan cd, it will have not quite as biting lyrics as mf.

poop

just got this from a friend:

p.s. new band of real heavy hitters from western Mass. and Conn. called'Naked Lunch"yep! you guessed it..Steeley Dan tribute. Mark Morris is the guitarist and I did a gig with him last week. He says its going to be a killer. Keys,bass, drums, guit. trumpet, and sax.
lets keep an eye out, they should be ready in a few weeks.

ps if you folks like m. franks you'll love the new dan cd, it will have not quite as biting lyrics as mf.

poop

just got this from a friend:

p.s. new band of real heavy hitters from western Mass. and Conn. called'Naked Lunch"yep! you guessed it..Steeley Dan tribute. Mark Morris is the guitarist and I did a gig with him last week. He says its going to be a killer. Keys,bass, drums, guit. trumpet, and sax.
lets keep an eye out, they should be ready in a few weeks.

ps if you folks like m. franks you'll love the new dan cd, it will have not quite as biting lyrics as mf.

poop

just got this from a friend:

p.s. new band of real heavy hitters from western Mass. and Conn. called'Naked Lunch"yep! you guessed it..Steeley Dan tribute. Mark Morris is the guitarist and I did a gig with him last week. He says its going to be a killer. Keys,bass, drums, guit. trumpet, and sax.
lets keep an eye out, they should be ready in a few weeks.

ps if you folks like m. franks you'll love the new dan cd, it will have not quite as biting lyrics as mf.

poop

just got this from a friend:

p.s. new band of real heavy hitters from western Mass. and Conn. called'Naked Lunch"yep! you guessed it..Steeley Dan tribute. Mark Morris is the guitarist and I did a gig with him last week. He says its going to be a killer. Keys,bass, drums, guit. trumpet, and sax.
lets keep an eye out, they should be ready in a few weeks.

ps if you folks like m. franks you'll love the new dan cd, it will have not quite as biting lyrics as mf.

poop

Who said I left? Not moi!

To those of you I owe emails to, will get back to you soon. Right now I'm packing for Russia and only know 2 Russian words, Nyet and Vodka. I'll be back in 2 weeks with the girlchik. For those curious few, the contents of my suitcase WILL include the Katylied CD as well as Citizen Steely Dan and Gaucho. Just hope they don't confiscate them at Customs...do they still do that?

Be nice to each other, don't play rough and maybe I'll bring you back some Rubles...

Bye for now....

ah Altamira.......

Just realized I forgot to post my nominee for best introduction - Your Gold Teeth Part II. I just love those shifting rhythms.

Many thanks to the people who have advised me about Bright Lights, Big City - I think I'll just enjoy listening to Century's End until I buy a VCR and a modern television (which will enable me to watch Fagen's piano video), and then I can rent BLBC and hear the other Fagen song without having to buy that expensive soundtrack.

Last night, I was listening to True Companion (yes, I just bought Gold), and I had an idea - a suggestion for Mr. Fagen. I think that after he and Becker finish working on the New One, Fagen should make a solo album based on True Companion. It might be like Kamakiriad, only with the True Companion in place of the Kamakiri. Yes, I know that song was part of a movie which, I suppose, told a story that involved the song, but imagine how much more interesting a tale written by Fagen would be! He just loves science fiction, so this would give him an opportuntiy to come up with all sorts of adventures involving the crew of the True Companion, out there in the endless twilight. Do they find their way back to their homes? Does the narrator find his way to his green world? What about the young men dreaming of fire and starshine? The possibilities for storytelling are quite exciting. And this would give Fagen a chance to record a longer version of the song True Companion, with real saxophone and strings instead of the synthesized version. And perhaps Mr. Becker could be persuaded to play guitar and bass, and maybe produce, although he might not want to help write the songs since he's said that he doesn't like concept albums and he's never gone on record as saying that he likes science fiction. Oh, well, just a little something for Fagen to think about. I'd sure be delighted to buy it, though!

KatyDanFan - Actually, I hate going to the beach since I don't like to swim or lie out and work on my tan. But I will go if someone drags me down there, and I enjoy the city of Rehobeth Beach and the nearby wildlife sanctuaries, so if I can get a ride, I will go to Rehobeth. Maybe I can take in that pottery place you mentioned, although I really shouldn't buy any more pieces until I can move to a bigger place - it's getting really crowded in here with all the cats.

The debate is on , which Micheal Franks tape is the best PASSION fRUIT or Art of TEA ? DR. MU and Roy Scam ,your imput is needed.

Big Fan: Now I know why those young women were laughing in the dorm at the women's college when Otter approached.

That's "Chief Big Fan" to you.............

Awesome post from BigFan on the technical realities of CD and CDR/W media !!!!!!!

Q

Doing something I never do while waiting for a thunderstorm to pass, I watched CBS national news. In the middle of a segment at 6:51 EDT, about certain restraunts in NYC banning the use of cell phones, who they interview but none other than Pete Fogel. Those of you in later time zones might be able to catch it.

Midnight Crusier: Hartford is about half way between two large segments of alternative lifestyles -Yale in New Haven and the various women's colleges around Northamton, Ma. Women couples are very commonplace in the malls or at any festval from beer fests to ballgames. So I don't think we would be surprised unless there weren't any at a concert regardless wether it was Lilith Fair or not. The Pretenders are also playing that night so I won't feel too old if Chrissy is playing - she may be older than I am.

huh? - nice links - sort of like playing Monopoly.

Looks like the new album has been scrapped in favor of a more lucrative career....

http://www.bcpl.net/~wbecker/beck2.html
http://www.garykatz.com

Original Lester: Long time no see! Welcome back, please stay!

JosieDanFan: Speaking of friends/relatives, where are you, sister! Did you get my pic finally, with David's help?

Other Babylon Sisters I miss: RoseDarling, RubyBaby, Geena! Where are you gals?

Altamira: I also have the CD soundtrack to Bright Lights, Big City and it's true---there's only Century's End listed on it and no other Fagan song. Also, was down Rehoboth Beach way last week and had a beautiful afternoon on the Ocean City, Maryland beach. Have you been down yet this summer?

Clas: And so now I've listened to Century's End and yes it is a good intro., however my fav remains DTMA.

David in FlaRoom: Thanks for the invite, friend, we'll discuss!

The paragraph symbol is not the correct symbol for "pi".though it's close. There's no loop on the left of the top line.
And who implied its value was changed? lol....

O Michael: I see you're still your energetic self! Really, teaching Alec to demonstrate his frustration over the Dan already? lol.....regarding El Supremo, well.....now you're asking me to give up someone I love with all my heart? Hmmm....your own heart must be stronger than ever *grin* Btw, would have joined you in the chat room had I been here! Next time.

El Supremo, Numero Uno: ILYM!!

Just Katy :)

HOOPS SPOTTED!!

All is OK. Look for a new digest sometime this week.

StAl

Hi everyone, been a while, but wanted to add another opinion about the new remasters. Last night I heard this radio show called Blues De-lux or something lke that and the guy who hosted it played "Pretzel Logic" (the song) from the newest release, and he was gushing about how great the sound was compared to the older releases; apparently he had a top system and was doing A/B comparisons and noticed all kinds of sonic improvements especially on the high end. He didn't say anything about the missing intro to Riki though... Funny, he also said he noticed for the first time that the word Pretzel is misspelled on the pretzel cart on the cover picture.

Original Lester – The lyrics to “the Royal Scam’ could have been penned by Malcolm X himself. The only thing missing is a line mentioning the chickens coming home to roost. If it wasn’t a scam, they probably wouldn’t have wandered in, they would have been dragged in kicking and screaming.

Altamira / FANOFDAN – I noticed that Fagan is credited with the music from the film “Bright Lights, Big City”. I would have thought this meant that he supplied more than just “Century’s End” and the title track. I’ll rent the video again and confirm one way or the other.

ALTIMIRA
Re your question Bright Lights Big City.
Ihave a copy on vinyl and Centurys End is the only song
on the original soundtrack that Donald Fagen is credited with,
but if you can get you hands on the video,he does sing the song
Bright Lights Big City which sort of fades in and out of a
scene with Micheal J Fox.
I am pretty sure he was credited with this song in the movie although its been along time since I've watched it.
Beats me though why they never included it on the album but upon a closer look at the back cover it says...
UNITED ARTISTS presents A MIRAGE PRODUCTION ???????

Alt.: Sorry,my mistake. You're right about Bach's B Flat.It's amazing how it just stops - as if he died right there and then.

To Emily, wherever I may find her: aw, shucks I've been bottling my blood for years:$7.99 a pop.

Can anyone else hear a little Gerswin in some of SD ?

Michael Packard - I checked, and there is only one cave, but it is divided into a number of chambers.

I have a question - I am wondering if Fagen did any music for Bright Lights, Big City aside from Century's End, and so whether it would be worth my while to buy the soundtrack to that movie. I looked it up a while back and all I could find was a Japanese edition that sold for $30.99, and I'm certainly not going to spend that for a CD that has none of Fagen's music aside from a song I already have.

This is really a major coinkidink that I am posting today- first time in about a month. Thanks for the good news Mike. I am most pleased with the Katy remaster. I have not yet seen the last three come out yet. When are they due? Also wanted to share that I bought a used copy of Ben Folds CD "Whatever and Ever Amen," and I am most pleased with my purchase, if not totally surprised. Thanks to those who recommended it.

One other thing. The "angry race of fallen kings- their dark companions"... would that be referring to African Americans? Just wondering.

Howdy, DanFanGangLand!

Interesting, my grandson still prefers listening to Steely Dan, more than any other music. However, he is starting to ask 'Paw-Paw' questions such as, "Is this it?"
And, "ain't there no more, Paw-Paw". So, I have to find him a violent figure toy to play with, as he is frustrated with the absence of "The New One", whenever that is.

Oleander, thankyou for acknowledging my October 29th (Black Friday, 1929----and Black Friday, December 31st) for the release of "Two Against Nature" which might be more appropriately called, "Steely Dan Fans Tackle Two"----LOL!!!

Anyway, tuned my radio to an obscure East TexAss station, first song on was "Rikki".

Most people I surveyed think the new "remasters" are just re-releases of the "Citizen" group----please advise, DanFans.

Altamira, how many 'caves' are there?

Dan Drummond and Chris (Original Lester)----the CD's and tapes are in the mail----sent to you yesterday----hope you like 'em.

KatyDanFan, you are simply the mostest-----Everything. . .you did baby. . . get rid of him (El Supremo) HSRD!

Still enjoy Frank Zappa's "Waka Jawaka", and "The Grand Wazoo", DanGang!

Saludos and hope to see you in the 'Talk City' chat room tonight-as I intend to be there.

Michael
;)

Randall P: I'd like to talk about procreating with you. That synopsis was brilliant, now may I have a sample of your blood?

Randall - I had always heard that H stands for B flat in the German notation system; it certainly sounds like B flat in Bach's composition based on his name.

I like Franks as well. In concert he's rather boring. If any of you ever see him live look for his keyboardist Charles Blenzig who usually steals the show from Franks. Michael's best and most successful album is "The Art of Tea".

Dr.Mu: I'll have a Countdown to Ecstacy with scotch whiskey and sucrose, please. Sounds like a great cocktail with which to end the century. -- Am I correct in assuming that, theoretically, once a work of art has been digitized, it will never be lost? Even if we have to keep it on our hard drives or paper tape or 80 column IBM cards or in handwritten binary form as 1's and zeroes on a million sheets of notebook paper? Sounds like a good task for the post-Y2K Dan Preservation Society.

Your story about Indiana mandating the value of pi to be 3.0 is a great testimony to the effectiveness of government. I bet they had some funky looking circles around that state for a while.

RS

Big Fan, King Vinyl: I only have a mid-end Yamaha and Boston Acoustic system and was convinced until recently that the best vinyl always beat the best CD until recently. I'll stack up 1999 Pretzel Logic and Katy Lied against you best vinyl recordings as long as your CD player has enough oversampling - the technology has really gotten better over the years. For example, within the nest few years digital still cameras will be superior to good professional analog cameras - digital videocameras already have 200+ lines better resolution than and analog video recorder.

Anyway, your theory about oxidation of CD is interesting, but I'm skeptical based on the construction: CD or Compact Disc, is a digital medium formed of a 12cm polycarbonate substrate (plastic), a reflective metalized layer (aluminum or gold) with the digital information, and a protective lacquer coating. The physical format of CDs is described by the ISO9660 industry standard. CD-Recordable discs also have an organic dye data layer between the substrate and the metal layer. The problem with the oxidation theory is that unless there is a deep scratch or a crack the aluminum layer should be in an anaerobic environment (no oxygen). Thus unless the disk is exposed to UV light (sunlight, tanning booth, teenagers bedroom who's into Pink Floyd) oxidation of aluminum or gold is unlikely (believe it or not oxidation under anaerobic conditions is more likely with an organic medium). Some plastics like Tygon tubing (silastic) are slightly permeable to air, but I don't believe the acrylic lacquer is. There is a very outside chance that when a CD is pressed the outside edge might let in some air. One company does sell a green acrylic laquer (which actually is desgined to attenuate scatterring of the laser). I'm assuming that the laser light itself is in the visible range (lasers remember by definition have only a singular wavelength) and would therefore not induce oxidation.

Maybe Joe M or Edd C have some info if they're lurking??? At worst we should then store our CDs in honey or scotch whiskey as sucrose and ethyl alcohol have some antioxidant properties before they are ingested. Preparation before play would be a bitch though.

KV: True enough, CD's are a limited life medium. It's all about oxidation. The standard off the shelf CD's that have that silver color use aluminum as the sputtered metal on the polycarbonate after the digital recording process. And yes aluminum oxidizes, but I think 30 years is a minumum for these factory coatings - more like 50 years minimum. Now those gold CD's should last up to at least 100 years since gold oxidizes so slowly. CDR's use an organic pigment (cyanine or phthalocyanine)(that blue color) which breaks down relatively quickly - 10 years or so at 5 to 25 degrees C and 60% RH and avoiding direct sunlight. So those of you selling CDR's as good as the orginal and not telling people are swindling them. CDRW's us a Ag-In-Sb-Te phase change recording material (sort of silvery, but darker than factory music CD's) that should last 30 years or more - direct sunlight does not effect these metal based coatings. CDRW's cost almost 10 times as much and you can see why.

i've got a wonderful bootleg of shawn colvin. somebody trade me something. anything but steely wool. you can buy their stuff really cheap even on sunday.

Blue Ra,

CC

Randall (Gomez),

Yes, all of that is correct. Now can we watch those old movies again?

Turning My Head 288 Degrees,

Your Brother, Fester

Yeah, but CD's are so...so...today, man!

After a long (and lucrative) day spent with Japanese tourists, a thought came to me which is so silly it might be close to the mark.
Kamakiriad = journey of the Kamakiri (referring to Homer's Iliad).So far so good. Now kamakiri is japanese for mantis. The Japanese are infamous for their inability to differentiate between /l/ and /r/ and a typical mispronunciation of 'Iliad' would be 'iriad'- so is it conceivable that Fagen is punning ?

In Bach's last fugue he spelt his name in the music ( 'h' at the time stood for c natural) so a precedent of sorts exists.

Or maybe I've been working too hard.

King Vinyl - All of my Michael Franks albums are on cassette. Your're right about vinyl though - I intend buying them all on record as I find decent copies of them. He has seemingly always had the best session players with him. He follows the same quality seeking rules as SD, except he continues to put out music with these guys. All of my SD/Fagan is on vinyl with tapes made for listening (when they're all available, the 'newly remastered with updated liner notes' CD's will be mine).

Pffredita - Recommend 'Passionfruit' & definately 'Birchfield Nines' - the best Franks album of the lot.

Did you know that under typical conditions a CD will only retain its material for app. 30 years? I guess 30 years is what the music industry considers "a lifetime of enjoyment". On the other hand, the cylinder records I inherited from my grandfather are over 70 years old and still haven't lost their deep grooves.

There is now AMAZING software available that will clean-up all your precious vinyl and allow you to burn your own personal CDs for a song! (Less than $100.00).

I mention this because turntables and vinyl are still way below bargain basement prices. I recently bought a Pioneer PLL-550 turntable for less than $50.00 and clean vinyl is everywhere for between 10 cents and a dollar, which brings me to...

Michael Franks, Passion Fruit. It's on the turntable now. Bought it for 25 cents. Musicians include Randy Brecker, Hiram Bullock, Steve Gadd, Will Lee, Hugh McCracken, Kenny Rankin, etc., etc., etc.

Yes, I have a state of the art Denon CD player. But I love the fat grooves and the BIG art you can only find on incredible, virtually indestructible vinyl...

Turning it Over,

KV

Mitch: your wish is my command:

http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1043751423/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=FRANKS*MICHAEL/itemid=498010

Micheal Franks is excellent, im not surprised so many people here dig him, Iam surprised he does not have a Best of Micheal Franks tape, because when his baby cooks with Eggplant, maybe she`s Italian .

Odd - St. Al or the site is vaporizing or "pi"s or they are turning into paragraph symbols.

BTW, there's a story that the state of Indiana passed a law in the 1840s that decreed that "pi" = 3. I guess the forebearers of Larry Bird couldn't handle decimals.

RS: That reminds me of an odd dream I had last night. I usually go for weeks for recalling any dreams - but the last few nights have been doozies. Anyway, I met Donald Fagen at a book show where he was promoting a new book...he was very warm and witty...but no, it wasn't Mr. Fagen! It was actually... Jeff Goldblum playing Donald Fagen in preparation for a dramatization of the Steely legacy!...maybe Martin Mull as Walter Becker?? I awoke before this or any other detail was revealed, or the dream morphing into something else.

Who the hell is/was Mr. Leotard?

Dr. Mu: I saw the movie "Pi" (actually the title is the symbol ¶ ) recently. The first piece of fiction I've ever heard described as a mathematical drama. Very dark and disturbing, and unique among modern films in that Pythagoras, Fibonacci, and Euclid are important to the plot. Sure could have used some Steely Dan music in the soundtrack though.

Best intro: Countermoon.

To whomever asked: The Fagen instuctional video is worth looking at just to see DF being personable, enthusiastic and not at all sarcastic or condescending. My son, a piano student, says it's a good instructional for somewhat advanced players. I enjoyed watching it and I don't know from piano. -- Also, the New Fronteir video is terrific, but the Snowbound video (IMHO) is , well, not terrific.

RS

Amazon.com - I can definitely see your point and I agree with you . I just sent Ms. Lee some possible sources since she had asked and I didn't see any real harm in responding. Also, I doubt she'll find anything especially useful and may decide not to include song titles in the book.

Laura Lee - I have sent a message to your e-mail address with some suggestions for further research.

PS: I'm a songwriter. That's why I get so worked up about it

It would be absurd to include song names in a book like that. It's one thing if somebody names a burger chain after his neice "Wendy", or some company or product is named after an uncle or a local guy etc. But let's say there actually was a girl named Peg or Josie or Rikki that Fagen & Becker knew. Does that mean that those songs are ABOUT those individuals? Are they the "real people behind the song"? Or are they simply names that songwriters borrowed to tell whatever story they wanted to? Absurd.They are writers. They are fiction writers. They almost certainly draw on their life (like any novelist would), but the idea that songs are "probably" ABOUT real things or people is a myth that refuses to die.

ooo this talk of Michael Franks sent me back..I have only Sleeping Gypsy, which I keep buying.. guess I'll venture out and add THIS new one, anyway, to my rather meager music library.... looking at the liner notes... a good gathering of some of the growing more and more familiar names and sounds... I remember the day I first bought this one.. like 5 or 6 bucks, i think... with Dave Mason's Certified Live, and Stephane Grappelli's Uptown Dance, i think...

dang. sure do wish i'd kept all that vinyl.

hey... that silly Wynonna booth won first place. pfft.

Thanks, Laura; We'll be SURE to rush out and buy your new book, seeing as we now do the top-notch hi credible sources you use in your research.

I am the author of the book The Name's Familiar: Mr. Leotard, Barbie and Chef Boyardee which tells the stories of the people behind familiar names including names that appear in song lyrics. Currently I'm working on a sequel and I am wondering if anyone can tell me if Rikki (who shouldn't lose the number) Peg and/or Josie were real people and if so what their surnames were and a little about them? Does anyone have a source for that information?

Laura Lee
http://www.albany.net/~lauralee/familiar.htm

Doc Kelly / Dr Mu - Thank you, doctors, for the info re. Michael Franks. I'm a bit of fan there as well. I'm hoping the work all the session players did was last year, and they're not doing the tour with him in July. We need them to get the SD recording finished first!

Altamira - My cats have always loved Steely Dan.

Lew Chang - I'll be in touch soon.

Lester, the version you describe sounds like the one on the Gold CD, which is different than the version on the Gold tape/LP. (Perhaps later pressings of the Gold CD have the standard version??) Anyway, it's a hybrid of the standard version and FM Reprise. If you can find the old FM 45, the B side is FM Reprise.

I heard FM on the radio the other day and it was a little different version than I was use to. Instead of a long guitar solo at the end of the song it was sax! Does anyone know what cd that version is on, I have gold but its the regular version!

So whats up with the "new one"?

any talk about another danfest?

I hear theres a Woodstock 99'!

Thanx in advance for any info

ltnf

Garden = Garded

Mr. Chow: Indeed, Donald has great pitch. That's why they doubled or even tripled his vocals and they sounded so smooth (exs, Pretzel Logic and True Companion). The song Roy referred to, Rose Darling reflects his range: "the clock is close AT HAND" - quite a smooth low note and "wear the weary hours down" as Roy quoted is at the high end - the full two octaves higher. Nat King Cole may have had the smoothest voice ever, but it was only over less than a 2 octave range. As an ordiany guy - only have a 2 ocatve usable range - the 3 notes above and below get the neighborhood dogs ahowlin'.

DocK: Why it's our own Diana with Micahel Franks. Just sampled some of the new one. She always had excellent piano chops and a good smoky vocal delivery. From what I heard her pitch was more pure although she does better phrasing the lounge-tupe songs. Really good stuff - still proposing her on the cover of the new Dan release whenever it comes out.

Speaking of Michael Franks', check out the lineup on his new one Barefoot on the Beach (line from title track of Blue Pacific) recorded in NYC. No wonder the Dan new one is not out/finished.

Valerie Simpson (vocals); Jay Azzolina, Jeff Mironov, Chuck Loeb, Steve Khan (guitar); Jim Beard (strings); David Mann (flute); Chris Hunter (flute, alto saxophone); Andy Snitzer (alto & tenor saxophones); Michael Brecker (tenor saxophone); Bob Mintzer (saxophone); Randy Brecker, Larry Lunetta (trumpet); Jim Hynes (flugelhorn); Birch Johnson (trombone); Bob James (piano); Charles Blenzig (keyboards, programming); Chris Palmaro, Mike Ricchiuti (keyboards); Dave Samuels (vibraphone); Jimmy Haslip (bass, keyboards); Will Lee (bass, background vocals); John Patitucci (acoustic bass); Wolfgang Haffner (drums, percussion); Steve Gadd, Shawn Pelton (drums); Brian Dunne (drums, drum programming); David Charles, Bashiri Johnson (percussion); Carmen Cuesta, Lani

It's more of a pop sound from the samples I heard from 1995s Abandoned Garded, which is a damn good lounge-type sounding release in sections and still on my wish list. One song on AG called A Fool's Errand is really great and there are some Dan-like horn charts. One of the songs on Barefoot on the Beach sounds strangely a bit like Prefab Sprout when Valerie Simpson sings along with Michael Franks' whose voice is becoming even more of a whisper (if that's possible) than with even less tone. Another song Fountain of Youth features some Dan-like bars from Mr. Steve Khan.

Mr Chow! Thanks for responding to my letter. Above is my email address, any information about getting hold of videos would be well received indeed!!.............Waiting to hear from you regarding this!!............. Thanks!....................Lew!

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Hey, MC. I went to Lilith fair last year and I came home sweating and smiling too! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!! What a carpet-fest.! They let me use my vacuum cleaner on their carpets though too. Some of them were licking the carpet to make it clean. I just vacuumed, vroom, vroom. Yes, I had a smile on my face, and I was sweaty and stinky. I smelled like tunafish. There was a pussycat there eating some tunafish, wow!! Take me back to Lilith fair, I say, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!

Big Fan....my wife and I went to the Lilith Fair last year and enjoyed the show very much....be prepared to listen to a bunch of shit from people here because you say you're going but it's a good show and I'm sure you and the wife will enjoy it. We're gonna try and make it again this year....as for taking the kid(s), I saw a few there last year but it was mostly couples from their teens into their 50's....more than a few of the couples were women so expect to see it or you'll be surprised....we got to see Bonnie Raitt play some awesome slide last year along with Sarah McLachlan, who I think has a GREAT voice, and Natalie Merchant who was very enjoyable....I had tickets to see Sheryl Crow a few years ago and because of snow in the mountains I didn't make the show....that's another reason I hope to be able to make this one....the only other show I really wanted to see this year was the Dave Matthews Band again....saw them just a few weeks after the last Steely Dan tour in the same venue and it was probably the biggest party I've ever been to in my life....everyone there had a blast and went home sweating and smiling....great show if you're inclined to check it out....y'all have fun!

MC

Re: The Reagan Onion Piece

The thing came out three-and-a-half years ago. The only reason I remembered about it is that one of my republican-leaning friends with a sense of humor has kept a tattered copy of the message on his bulletin board all these years. Of course, since I am at ground zero for The Onion (downtown Madison, WI), there's free copies of the rag in every store you could think of. The article must have come out before the web site was created.

I'm back from Dayton, Ohio - do you like old planes - it's the place to go.

Those goofy Farrelly Brothers of There's Something About Mary fame sure know how to evoke the mood of 1974, if the soundtrack to their coming-of-age story about a blue-collar kid in a prep school is any indication. The accompanying music -- due July 20 (a full 10 days before the movie) -- includes such gems as The Eagles' Take It Easy, Steely Dan's Do It Again, Lynyrd Skynyrd's Free Bird, Free's All Right Now and Badfinger's No Matter What.
Link:

http://www.canoe.ca:80/JamMusic/jun25_movies.html

Since there isn't going to be an SD tour this year, I bought the wife tickets to Lillith Fair in August - really just to see Sheryl Crow, but I can be hip to new music also - will we be the oldest people there at 40 something - or will parents be bringing their kids?

talking about introductions, how about Don`t take me alive?

Sour Cream - The URL for the Onion is www.theonion.com.

We got a Linc. Different spelling, and as far as we know, has little to do with onions, but if you want him, you can have him. Julie and I would like to start a life together, but he won't stop following us.

What is this "Onion"? And where do I find it? Anyone have a link?

A quick look around The Onion didn't turn up the Reagan letter. There was an article entitled "Area Bedroom Has That Weird Jeff Smell, Housemates Report," but it has nothing to do with the Skunk.

Hello,Dan-all. A Peg-Head, myself,I actually may not read all the above posts to get to know the neighbours , I'll keep it short.
The New York Rock and Soul Revue ;is there a video available and
where can one order it from? A friend of mine would like to get
a copy. She works in a record store ,but cannot find a listing
for such. I had a TV shot of a song from it,but seemed to find a Miles Davis interview more important to tape over it.Will any
SD-er here help me ,please.
Reply to
Thank you, Sandy Freeze.

Clas: Oh my, Centurys End, I'm ashamed to say I'm not sure which one that is (Don't Kill Me Please, which tape is it on, El Supremo, I have too many! ) Now I have to listen to that intro and also the one on Your Gold Teeth II (I do love that song) to be sure I'm keeping DTMA as the favorite.

Mock Turtle: Yes, I love the intro of Hey Nineteen, also, it affects me much the same way as DTMA. And My Old School is so good too. Hmm...I wonder if I have ten intros that are tie for second place!

Question: I think it's on the Old Regime tape where Third World Man is not like the most perfect version I have mostly listened to, but it is close. And the guitar solo, while not as intricate, still is so very moving, to me. And IGY is pretty close to the way it ended up. However, Everyone's Gone to the Movies and Any World are umm......sorta far from the final product? I mean, those "heys" in between the chorus lines in Any World crack me up. Why are two songs so close and two so far from the final version. (Were they working on TWM and IGY for a longer period of time up to that point?)

El Supremo: At last!! My sweetheart forever! When are you gonna be Home At Last? *sigh* waiting patiently ILYM.

Just Katy :)

Kofi Annan - I've been reading The Onion for a long time now and thoroughly enjoying it. They archive all of their issues, so I will now go hunt for that one. Thanks for providing me with some happy hunting.

I went to dinner tonight at the home of my dear old friend William. As he was turning on his stereo, I mentioned that I had broken away from my usual habit of listening only to classical music and had rekindled my 27-year-old love of Steely Dan. He said"Who?" and asked me if they had gone by a longer name. I said that they had always just used the name "Steely Dan," but the band, for the most part, consisted of Donald Fagen and Walter Becker. He'd never heard of them either. Can you believe it, a 32-year-old man who has never heard of Steely Dan? Anyway, a little later, as he was watering his plants, I noticed that one plant was sitting on Steely Dan's Greatest Hits. Naturally I pointed this out and said that Steely Dan had established a presence right there in his apartment and he hadn't even known about it. Well, he said that the album must have belonged to someone who had been staying with him, and he had no idea that it was there. He then gave it to me; of course I had it already, but this one's a bit different, as I pointed out to him, in that it has a gold stamp on the front that reads "MCA 2-6008." I have no idea what that means, but it does make it different from the other copy I have of this album. And the next time I go over to visit William, I'll take a few CDs along so he can hear what he's been missing. (I'd fix dinner for him here, but I haven't cleaned up the apartment yet, although I'm working on it - it gets a bit complicated with the five cats.) At least William now realizes that Steely Dan exists and I'm not just making it up.

Hello, DanFanDom!

Been awhile, I know, yet absence makes the heart . . .huh, Katy?

Anyway, for those of you as Roy Scam mentioned are interested in Rick Derringer----check out "Thomas Jefferson Kaye" and "Shades" by the same (now deceased) musician. Rick Derringer plays on nearly every song, and Walt, Don, 'Skunk', and many others you will recognize. It is available online at one of those CD Internet places.

Anyway, Gary Katz produced it, and Roger 'The Immortal' Nichols was the engineer. Yes, you can actually hear Walt play bass, Donald and Dusty Springfield sing backup vocals, along with Richie Furay, Clydie King, Venetta Fields, etc.

Cheers!

ES

P.S.: Katy, I Love You, Darlin'

A five million dollar reward has been offered for the bringing in of Mr. McKay, at which point he will stand trial for War Crimes. Thank you.

P.S. Does anyone remember The Onion's Alzheimer's-stricken Ronald Reagan-penned letter , where he signed his name "Donald Fagen"? Fuckin' hilarious, man.

OK, bye

kofi@kingoftheworld.gov

thank you mock turtle.

jk

Ok, this is getting spooky. DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE JIM "HOOPS" MCKAY IS??? The Mailing List is way overdue and his website is off the air. Who has news?! Anybody got a phone number?

Mr. Chow: Speaking of Michael Franks, do you know who's touring with him? He's to be a "main attraction" at the KC Blues and Jazz Fest in mid July... (FYI -- www.kcbluesjazz.org)

Best intro by far...The Royal Scam!!!

ps. Bye Geena :)

Chef Boyhowdee - Thank you for the comment, but, being female, I prefer to be addressed as "ma'am." I once read an Elmore Leonard novel that had a character named Boy Howdee.

The Stranger – Back to Diana Krall. The new one is great. Like they say on the promos for one of her previous opus’ (opi?) - in 20 years time, we’ll hear some great young singer and think that she reminds us of that great jazz legend Diana Krall! She does a great version of Michael Franks’ ‘Popsicle Toes’ and one dead sexy version of ‘I’ve got you under my skin’ – good enough to bottle. Sorry about ‘Do It Again’, but it ain’t SD’s masterpiece. Btw, did you get the bonus 13th track? – ‘Why should I Care?’ from the movie – True Crime. I think it might be an import special.

Roy Scam & fezo – Glad to hear I’m not the only one that can wake the dead – I’ll stick to the keyboards.

Roy

That ad's been around for 6 months. Have you been spending too much time in Berklee? Do they have cable there? When I attended we burned all the shielding and wore the weary hours down twisting alloys into various shapes to create reedless harmonics which morphed into whole notes the harder we blew. (Theory of constriction.) Then we studied the Teutons and lost credits if we didn't sleep with young boys. But I'll never be a sour kraut.

Altamira: You are correct, sir. Donald barely has 2 octaves. What we misconstrue as range is STYLE.

Stranger: You're on a roll. Happy Birthday. June Lockhart sends her love. You made Little Timmy laugh for the first time in months and the doctors say he may finally be ready to quit sucking his robot. The robot, however, is still as obstinate as Bill Gates and may not be ready for Timmy to quit sucking.

IGY

Chef Boyhowdee

Did I say Strenum? Wow, are we talking briandamage here?

As I walked my last dogwalk last night I heard Bruce Springsteen and E Street Band from the other side of town. "Born In The USA". I can't believe he's still doing that old routine, he's so obsolete.

TheKatyDaneFan - Centurys End has a great intro too, and the following groove is so great.

The Stranger - Paris? Haven't been there for over twenty years. Nobody speaks English. Or they refuse to speak English. Let me know when you're going, OK? But, Clas + wine = cops. So I'll make it a coke. The doc said that my head can't take anymore hits.

I'm smoking two cigs before I crash in at nights. That's about that. Strenum's great, a certain sweet doc-girl in NO checked it out.

Altamira - hey, thanks! Pompe's doing fine.

Geena - hi girl!

Roy Scam - "..we'll wear the weary hours down." Yeah, that's a hard one. Have you tried "my English it is more better now"? That's high notes for Becker but he's making it.

My pick for best intro is 'Your Gold Teeth II' - the time change is breathtaking.
Donald's lower register is capable of great expression too.I love the way he sings about Snake Mary dreaming she's in Detroit with lots of money in the bank on 'Rose Darling'. That's where Walter can't compete.

katydanfan,
i think you're right. fort washington. there've been plenty of times since that i could have used that job. it's like the inspector told bogey (i paraphrase) -- you shouldn't throw jobs (he said women) away like that. they might become scarce one day.

listen, dammit, i posted the possibility that diana krall recorded a cover on 'do it again.' i mean nobody does steely dan covers. that's news, if true. i'm bitching cause i haven't had time to check it out.

Altimira: I guess it's the expressiveness of his voice - I remember a singing teacher years ago telling me he was her all time favourite voice even though it's untrained.
'Is there gas in the car? Yes there's gas in the caaarr.'

Yma Galas - I remember you! You used to go by the name of Yma Sumac, which was said to be Amy Camus spelled backwards. And, yes, you did have a tremendous range, surely the envy of every other singer. I even saw some video clips of you; most impressive!

Randell - Fagen is one tremendously skillful singer; I am always impressed at his ability to make difficult things sound effortless.

Octavius - You're right about the natural range of the human voice; it's just that most popular music and jazz singers do not use a range that large. They may have some notes at the outer edges of their ranges that they haven't yet developed, or maybe they just want to keep their music in the range where they sing most comfortably. I've also heard singers use notes that sound terribly awkward, like they are out of the singer's normal range and the singer hasn't yet become comfortable singing those notes. Fagen can sing over a broad range and sound good on every note; I don't think there are that many singers in this genre who do that - they may have big ranges, but they sound strained at either end.

Katy: Yes, that is a good intro. Another two intros that come to mind are My Old School and Hey Nineteen. Though for all three songs, the intros are a reflection of the quality of the song to follow.

geeezz: Regarding the two different versions of FM ... on the boxed set, the version with the sax solo is included, and on 'A Decade of,' the version with the guitar solo is included. Personally, I like the guitar version a bit better, but they're both worth having. 'Decade' is easy to find used, and worth having for its excellent (IMHO) selection of songs. In fact, this is the CD that got me hooked. My Dad used to check out piles of CDs from the library and ask me to tape them for him. This was one tape, however, that never found its way back to him. Then I bought the CD, lent it to my Classic Rock-loving friend, he got the boxed set, which I got soon thereafter, and the rest is history. So I've always had a special place in my heart for the CD. Definitely a desert island pick for me. And it was recently remastered, too (whatever that means in this day and age of rampant 'remastering' [read: repackaging] of CDs), or, for the Qs out there, it also exists on gold disc.

Geena!! Get back in here, girlfriend! I'm going to practice with the video, some of you have to get up on the stage and play the part of Don, Walt, band members and back-up vocals.

Stranger: Was that Mount Washington or Fort Washington? You mean you'd rather stay on the west coast with all that beautiful sunshine??

Fezo: You had me ROFL, especially with that line after your name.....I never heard that before, that's so good. lol.

My 2 cents worth for today regarding SD: I know I might change my mind next week as I 'm listening to other songs (a DanFan's perogative) However, right now I want to say there is NO song ever, anywhere, anytime, that can top the introduction to Don't Take Me Alive. And there is a very good chance I will NEVER change my mind on that.

El Supremo: You're the BEST, ILYM!!

Just Katy :)

2 1/2 octaves? hmm. gotta good 3 - 31/2
can't carry a tune worth a dang, though.
voice all over the place.

every once in a while tho.. it feel good. mmHMM.

resonating up, waxing too,

YG

My favourite Fagenesque failure is the upslide in 'Florida Room'- "with a view of the seeeeeeeea". Easy to do, impossible to duplicate.

Oh, I am not welcomed here? Oh well, I thought I was, guess I'll leave now......

Thank you for thinking of me! bye bye now!

two and a half octaves falls within the normal range of the human voice.

Mitch !

I'm sure it's me, but....... were you speaking in tounges regarding the new album back @ 6/21 or was were you trying to evoke/provoke LSD regressions in various Guestbook daveotees ?

Q

Fezo - Hmmm, I seem to remember getting a "fuck you" welcome also, although not from you, of course.

Mr. Chow - Fagen also has quite an impressive range; I would guess a little more than two octaves.

The Stranger - Oh, good. I wondered, since nothing else you have written sounded especially conservative.

Newbie here, I've been a danfan for many moons, and not sure what I may have to contribute, but I'm enjoying your senses of humor. So glad the rain is gone, for now. Been listening to 11TOW much lately, and I'm finding that it doesn't seem to leave my CD changer.

Bye for now!

Fezo - I didn't mean to imply that Belzoni has more people with diabetes than other cities in the area. The organization I worked for had these programs all over Mississippi and several other states as well. I just meant that the people we worked with in Belzoni were especially helpful.

geeezz: and who the fuck are you to tell us why we're here?

INDIVIDUALISM n. The principle, policy, or practice of maintaining individuality or independence of the individual; the theory or practice of maintaining the independence of individual initiative, action and interests

SUBJECTIVITY n : judgment based on individual personal impressions, feelings and opinions rather than external facts

ever heard of those, moron?

any help on the fm with guitar solo - I swear you people would rather talk about anything but what we are here for.

Mr Chow: I have trouble singing the birthday song without shattering windows

Widow Serling: You are mistaken. All newbees are welcome. It's just that only male newbees get the coveted "fuck you" welcome. We are all southern gentlemen on the GB so female newbees are treated more solicitously.

Mr Belzoni: I think you need to update the Chamber of Commerce blurb you quoted to reflect the apparent diabetes scourge which is infecting your community

Mr. Chow: I also can't sing, "..we'll wear the weary hours down." without sounding like I'm re-entering puberty.

Rick Derringer fans: Sadly, that was the real Rick that I missed seeing at a roadhouse 5 miles from my house last Thursday (my latest stupid move). -- Check out the "Killing Floor" soundbyte at " http://rickderringer.com/sound.html " and see if it takes you back to the Chain Lightning guitar solo.

Speaking of Rick D., his ex protege, Edgar Winter, is now doing a beer ad with George Hamilton in which they discuss their uncanny similarities.

RS

Rod- What are you talking about? Geena is still not welcomed here!

Does anyone else have trouble singing “Wont you pour me a Cuban breeze Gretchen” without breaking into falsetto or shattering windows?

Donald has great pitch.

FANOFDAN – Good to talk with you. Seeing as you’re working Saturday, how about Sunday morning (not too early). I’ll give you a call when I see the lighthouse.

Funny the way newbies are welcomed only if they're female. I worry about you.

flash,
just checked over at cd now and diana krall's new album, 'when i look into your eyes,' has a track called 'do it again.' could my favorite babe jazz singer be doing a cover of my favorite band? is it possible? can life get that good?

altamira,
maybe i forgot my medication that conservative day but i swear i don't look anything like newt gingrich.

katydanfan,
i almost took a job near philly once, place named mount washington. but i guess i'm pretty much a committed west coaster and besides, who wants to get new stationery?

is there a law that says girard diepardeau must star in all french films? i mean the guy's good, but he's in everything.

connie,
who are you? you know everybody and i don't know you. how long you been reading this board?

diana krall's got a new album out. anybody hear it?

Giovanni Belzoni - The organization I used to work for had a program to help prevent lower-leg and foot amputation among elderly people with diabetes in Belzoni. The volunteers and professionals there did a wonderful job; it was one of our best projects in Mississippi.

The Stranger - You're welcome. I seem to recall a political discussion a while back in which you expressed some opinions generally regarded as conservative, but I could be wrong.

Clas - Hey! It's good to have the real you back. Are you feeling better these days? How's Pompe doing?

Amy: You're right. Keep having fun.

DrMu: Yeah, if necessary, I can hang. Give me a songlist and 48 hours.

Latest stupid move: turning down a gig this upcoming Saturday at a naturist organization's midwestern regional event... oh, well, I was almost "here at the nude ranch"...

Stranger: I'm right here near Philadelphia. Think you could stop at a New Jersey beach or no, better yet, the Crescent Beach on Block Island, on your way to Paris? And you won't be able to be in Paris too long, remember----we have lots of work to do before November!

Just Katy :)

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I enjoyed the story about the history of Belzoni ,Miss. It definitely was better than reading shots at people by impersonated jaggoffs.

The city is dedicated to "a quality of life for everyone." I'm packing my bags as we speak.

Belzoni carries the distinction of "HEART OF THE DELTA". It is located in the middle of the Yazoo-Mississippi Rivers Delta and was chartered in 1895. Recently celebrating its first 100 years, the city commemorated this event with the dedication of the Centennial Green Park. Located in downtown Belzoni and next to the Catfish Capitol, the park helps to revitalize the downtown area. Signature bricks add charm and connect the past with the present.

The City of Belzoni is a small Delta town, population 2,536 in the 1990 census, with a thriving central business district. Twenty years ago the City of Belzoni embarked on a redevelopment program for the downtown area with the replacement of sidewalks using brick and exposed aggregate, the planting of 19 Linden trees, concrete poles with sodium vapor lighting, which was new at that time, and more appropriate parking. The community demonstrates its great sense of pride by its well kept residential neighborhoods and its desire for the city to help keep its streets clean and provide those special amenities that only small towns can offer. The community is dedicated to its citizens and a quality of life for everyone.

Ok- Whoever keeps posting under Clas, The Stranger and Kinky would you please stop! This place has got bad enough without jerks like you.There should be some kind of cardnial rule aganist this type of shit. Where do you draw the line? Man, cyber space can suck sometimes.

katydanfan,
i'm in l.a., geena's boston. where are you?

clas,
nice of you to ask. i'm getting old is how i am. how's your sternum? you still smoking? if i don't get run over by a bus while i'm out alzheimer wandering, i will be in paris august 4 - 23. let me know if you'll be in those parts and i'll buy you a glass of cheap wine. but please, no cops.

altamira,
thanks for the defense. but what made me a conservative?

Dr. Mu: Thanks, you're a true Danfriend :) That's me, of course I'll shoot the video, definitely! Everyone is so hungry for the next Danconcert Video, I'll have to make it so good that it will satisfy us until the year 2019, when we'll be chanting "Hey, Nineteen! When is the new one coming out!!"

Everyone who gets front row seats is guaranteed to appear in the video, as well as those working backstage. And I promise there will be no water squirting from the camera!

Geena and Stranger: Maybe we should have a meeting pretty soon. How about next week at the nearest beach?

Clas: I think it's really you, so, let me say welcome back, I missed the real you!

El Supremo: It's pretty bad without you, sweetheart. ILYM!

Just Katy :)

I thought that i had a version of FM with the guitar solo . . . what is it on. Is there a cd version?

colleen rules!

bones

"I'm only a country doctor,Jim!"

"powering up the electric toothbrush these days"

Well, isn't that the same thing as writing music?

Atari, YO!

FANOFDAN – No problem. I’ll Email you details. “New Frontier” is the only Fagan video I have (only one available?). Do you remember “Rock Arena” on ABC? My priceless video came from there. You can have Rosie too if you like.

Lew Chang – Ditto, if you can post an address, phone number, something…only too happy to help out. You’re right about the CD retailers. Half of them don’t even know what they’re selling.

Clas – I can only use Atari for powering up the electric toothbrush these days.

Mr Chow

I to like Lee Chang would be very keen to get a copy of
Donald Fagens New Frontier on video.
I have also tried to find it along with others,but have always
struck a brick wall.
I remember seeing it played once on Sounds on channel 7, back when it was released but as usual it was never given any airplay
here,so it disappeared along with so many other Steely Dan &
Donald Fagen songs.
If you or anyone can provide information on how to get a hold of these videos,please Email me on the above address

Mr Chow!! Whats this about a Donald Fagen video or videos??! I have serched high and low in this country for any SD or DF videos, but they all tell me the same story.......None Available!. Is this true or are these CD retailers to slack to do some investigating?.................Any information would be well received!! Thanks............. Lew!

Moray

Anything can crumble in the blink of an eye
Anything that I
That I
Can see

Reduced to a memory

It's just chemicals in your head
That conjure the ghost of what is dead
The shadow revealed in a burst of light
With no respect for what's wrong or right

Don't mistake the glow for a halo
Don't confuse your hope for a chance
Don't sell your soul for one last roll
When the prize is already spent

There are better things
Better things
Much better things ahead

*

Stranger - hey! How are you?

Altamira - hey you too!

A happy marriage can crumble in a blink. Searching for thrills and excitement can lead you down a strange, dark and dangerous path. Betrayal. Confusion. Jealousy. Obsession.

Then you love a little wild one and she brings you only sorrow;
All the time you know she's smilin', you'll be on your knees tomorrow...

How true...

Lyra:

You ever toss and turn you're lying awake and thinking about the one you love?

I want to think so.

You ever close your eyes you're making believe you're holding the one you're dreaming of?

Well, if you say so.

It is so bad when you finally know just how low, low, low, low, low she'll go...

Baby did a bad, bad thing...
Baby did a bad, bad thing...
Baby did a bad, bad thing...

Feel like crying...

m.e.

hey, i've made the bigtime. i'm being lampooned by a cowardly idiot.

Damn!! I tried to back out of my first message since I had written "Stranger" with a lower-case "s" and I couldn't fix it since I had already hit "Submit Addition." I tried backing out once before with a message that had an error in it and it worked, but it didn't this time. I apologize for posting the same thing twice.

The Stranger who types in lower-case letters - You sure don't seem much like the Stranger who regularly posts here; he's a conservative.

The Stranger who types in lower-case letters - You certainly don't sound much like the stranger who regularly posts here - he is conservative.

St. Al.. Just curious, how much $ does D & W make from these boots your pushing?

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A friend of mine turned me on to SD Demo tape M.K.C and it is the shit,let me tell you. Wetside and Jack of Speed are to be o on the new one. Afunky PERCUSSION on Snowbound, Donald singing lead on Brooklyn (without the Country Twang) The always underated Home At Last, slowed downtempo but better vocals.Talking about vocalss Walter did a credible job on Fall of 92 and Jack of Speed throw in a nice instrumental (SHANGAI Confidential) and a short BLUESY cut(Blues in C) AND 2 Jurassic Dan cuts Century`s End and All To Mobile Home and top it off with a Blue Eyed Soul cut called Confide in Me and you got a diverse SD sound as your gonna get ! It is fuckin Killer!

Wait. It's almost here.

I gotta fart.

hi, my name is stranger. i type in all lower case and am from l.a. i am also a jew. i am somewhat liberal-minded, psuedo-intelligent, politically minded, and very lonely. i also sometimes get pissed off and spew forth obscenities. if you are a single, white, jewish female and don't mind being bored out of your mind by someone, please answer this ad.

I was watching the baseball game of the week on CBS this past Saturday afternoon. Tim McCarver and Joe Buck were talking to the St.Louis Cardnails organ player between pitches. When Ricky Henderson of The Mets came up to bat, Buck asked the Organ player if he was going to play "Rikki Don't Loose That Number" and McCarver jumped in and said yeah, "do you know any Steely Dan"? The music man replied, "someone once put some of their sheet music in front of me, but no, I don't no any songs by them."

The Dan are all over the place! Thought some of you might enjoy the story.

Peace

i mean rye is whiskey. whiskey isn't always rye. anyway, you get it i'm sure. except for kinky.

oleander,
i'm with you. a clue to just how pretentious and awful 'american pie' is can be found in the lyric, 'boys were drinking whiskey and rye.' this is like saying buying apples and fruit. whiskey IS rye. he's just throwing whatever rhymes into the mix to go with his pedestrian ideas on music, which are best suited for sesame street and dick clark. once again, mclain or however he spells his name is to steely dan as grisham is to dostoeveki.

geena,
hear that sound? the fat lady's finishing up her song on steely dan creativity. but i hope i'm wrong. and i don't think they do all their work together. don't they work on stuff alone and then trade it back and forth around the end? correct me if i'm wrong. i'm just guessing cause i never read the book, which i understand was more or less a clip job full of errors.

Sven - anuerism? That'll go fast. No agony. And yes, after New Orleans, or more ironic, Cincinnati. Those saloons were dark and scary man. And I was all alone, no woman who could protect me.

Do you live in Amsterdam?

Are you guys so uptodated that you use PC or Mac to your Midisystem? I still use my Atari and the C-Lab Creator.

Roy - I didn't know that Randy Newman wrote filmmusic. I haven't heard much of him lately, and the only record I have of him is the "Trouble in Paradise"-album. It was spinning along with Gaucho in the early 80s ("Christmas in Capetown" is etched upon my mind).

RubyBaby - damn, another day is lost and the postoffice is closed. I promise to send you the CD's tomorrow.

The MIDI interface I use is Logic -I've got the Cakewalk demo and it seems similar -getting a guitar sound takes time , but I guess you know that.

Mr. Chow: I'm one and the same.

Dr Mu – Cheers for the singles info. I think I’ll stay with the longer album versions. By the way, I’ve got that “New Frontier” video and always thought it was brilliant. Straight after New Frontier is Rosie Vela’s “Magic Smile” – what ever happened to her? Are there any other Fagan videos around?

Madder Dog – You clearly have the skills. Anything done a la Jobim would work. I’m forever using Encore or Cakewalk with a Roland sound module – anything that’ll work to get the tunes created (and on manuscript) fast. Inevitably I just sit at the keys and scrawl down the chord changes.

Randell – meant to mention a group gig, playing keyboards in a quintet called “Goblin Market” in about ‘87. I was a nineteen y/o Dan fan at the time.

Lew Chang - you had time for enough sleep after all!

Phil!!!!

As Mr Mercury said!! .................***WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS MY FRIEND!!!!!! .....OH YES !!.

What a trashing!! What a side!!,.........Ok I`ve settled down now I had feeling Pakistan would crack under pressure,I felt sorry for Wasim but winners are grinners!!! .....Anyway I`m off to the fridge for another beer!!...............BY!!

Ss Mr Mercury said!!............... ..WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!

I might be ravin' but surely the obvious rhyme is microwavin'
I just thought, with a name like wordsworth - he must have been under just a little pressure to be a poet.

Clas we are so happy to see that you don't have an anuerism or anything like that after your trip to the jail. And that happened right after you stumbled around New Orleans for several days? Amazingly ironic. Hey, you know whenever my dog relieves himself he is frozen in time just like those poor people in Pompei surprised by a mother nature. He is like a statue except for what fertilizer he is giving back to the planet. Oh, man! I just saw a profound!

Sven

Moray,

(Acoustic vamp. A minor, E minor, F, D & G)

Ever felt so sorry
So sorry for yourself
That you blamed a girl?
A girl?

Ever been so pathetic
So peripatetic that you slandered her around the world?
Around the world?

Baby did the only thing she could do
She was missing you
Baby gave her heart to a fool
A wandering fool

Shoot the hoops
Prove it's you
It's just a storm of words
Discard the witch
Do it quick
The Harpies are getting in tune
The fantasy is coming true
Coming true

If not for you

Love,

Lyra

Hey, I read "A Drinking life" during the weekend, Pete Hamill. It's a great book about the 40s 50s and 60s in Brooklyn.

"Little enough I know your struggle

although you come to me more and more,

free of that heavy body armour

you tried to dissolve with alcohol,

a pale face staring in dream light

like a fish's belly

upward to life"

John Montauge (quote from the first side). Isn't that great words or what?

dr Mu - for me, fascinated of the South, it's always interesting to read your posts.

Geena - yeah, helmut! I thought of you!

Fake Clas - my dogs name is POMPE. The name has nothing to do with the volcanocity. A Swedish king several hundred years ago had a dog named Pompe, it was his fave dog. He's buried here in Stockholm (the dog). And you - I'm very flattered. You are imposting ME!

Welcome back RubyBaby!

Pete: You're forgiven. If I can sell my fanzines for over $200, then I'll forget all about how you short changed the subscribers. I'll make sure that the class action lawsuit is dropped and we can put this matter behind us, once and for all. Best wishes.

Oleander: What's your genre?

--Acoustic guitar starts in some minor key--

You ever love someone so much you thought your little heart was gonna break in two?

I didn't think so.

You ever try with with all your heart and soul to get your lover back to you?

Well, I hope so.

You ever pray with all your heart and soul just to watch her walk away?

Baby did a bad, bad thing...
Baby did a bad, bad thing...
Baby did a bad, bad thing...

Feel like crying...

m.e.

Mu: I once OD'd on Riboflavin in New Haven if that gives you any ideas...

Ole: Thanks for including me in the psuedo GB album project. Can I play the triangle at least?

Longest Single: Does this imply actual time or one of those countless "thought it would never end" selections? Einstein wants to know...

Y'all be Good Now,

SEMB

µ: "Doc gave me a shot of that riboflavin
and I was gonna give you the love that I've been savin'
But now I can't stop misbehavin'
Jane, can't you stop this crazy cravin'
as I slide down stark naked and ravin'
on the slow road of love"

Geena - Tommorow's Girls contains one of my favorite lines, "Look out fellas, it's shredding time." I never hear music like that in the card shops around here; there must be some sophisticated merchants up your way. But yes, there are some great visual images in those songs.

oh - I had thought that the longest single was American Pie. By the way, I just loved Bohemian Rhapsody back when it came out, and I spent a great deal of time listening to A Night at the Opera, the album it came from, as well as News of the World, Queen's next album. And I visited Freddie Mercury's panel the last time the AIDS quilt was displayed here; I sure do miss him.

Mad Dog - The original version of FM? Ooh, you have whetted my curiosity.

Shagging Idiot - Good to hear from you again. Ok, I will be a bit freer with my posting, especially now that this seems to be a somewhat more comfortable place once again.

Dr. Mu - Thank you for including me. I'll start my research right away. And may I play my mandolin on the album? It will give me the kick in the butt I need to be diligent about practicing!

I have some old steely dan albums, unreleased : "bent over backwards" - and " four tracks from steely dan" or something like that. I am going off memory are these rare at all? are they worth anything? not that I would ever sell.

Q - it would take a large stretch to say that I was a favorite poster - I didn't even make the top 10 list.

KDF: Sorry, didn't I tell you that you're in charge of video productions?? Cartoons, like The New Frontier video...that's the ticket.

Q: You'll get a tape with instuctions at a future date. No ned for self-destuction afterwards...it's edible, caramel, in fact.

Ole: Excellent suggestions...I'm crushed however that I won't be receiving the first set of your sonnets soon...try that merge button thing...and I just bought new batteries for our cheesy Yamaha PSS-270 voice bank. I'm having to compose from cereal boxes forchrissakes! Hey, what rhymes with riboflavin?

Stranger: my dear friend what has come over you? You're being fatalistic here. The reason I think D&W are taking their sweet time is because a) they're testing our temperaments, 2) because they're artists and perfectionists and they feel like it and c) they are most likely suffering from WADS (weird artist delay syndrome). Their last work together came out well over 10 years ago. Times and people have changed, the music industry has changed. The music industry is more interested in putting out work by Brittany Spears and the Backdoor Boys. This is not to say that D&W will put out something similar to that, but I believe D&W will create something that will supercede all of their previous works. Asimov worked alone. He probably had a messy apartment, never washed his dishes or changed his underwear, that's how he could write so many novels and be a scientist at the same time. However, D&W work as a team, they fight, they have differences of opinions, they give each other noogies, they brag about their golf handicap. Fret not my friend, I smell something coming down the turnpike and we're not heading into Jersey either. To quote Yogi Berra, "it ain't over till it's over".

Mu: Thank you for giving the management offices of Geena, Stranger & Katy the opportunity to market and manage the upcoming release of the latest Guestbook album. We run a tight ship here, and we torture our employees relentlessly, which is why most of them mysteriously disappeared. As promised, we will give 110% of our blood, sweat and tears in making sure the product is in the hands of the public in a reasonable amount of time, even if it means I have to hire goons to keep everyone in line. How much did you say we were getting for this?

Ole: My job has been done. Hopefully, we'll see a change in the dear man soon. If not, and as a team effort, we'll have to haul out the big guns. My new date for the release of the new one is November 8.

Altamira: My favorite tracks off Kamikiriad are Tomorrow's Girls and Teahouse on the Tracks for both lyrics and music. I also find both songs to be very visual; that is, I create small plays in my head while hearing the lyrics. I found myself singing loudly in a card shop the other day while Tomorrow's Girls was playing on their stereo.

Thanks, Ed I've got tha Fagen video on order.
The longest single would probably be Bohemian Rhapsody ( I used to sing that at karoake in Japan to make myself unpopular.

Have to call in Sherlock Holmes, someone's nicked me moniker.It's you Moriarty isn't it?
Mr Chow: Although I haven't handled a guitar in years , I tinker with MIDI in the wee hours. My last stretch on stage was 18 months in a cover band in Japan about 5 years ago.The only Dan I could sneak in was "Only a Fool would say that" which we did ala Antonio Carlos Jobim.

Am I the only one who prefers the original version of FM, with the guitar at the end instead of the sax?

Mu--Wow. I also nominate the Scamster for guitar, Schwinn for further cover art & notes, and Herm & the Stranger for some spoken word. lisa also on cuisine.... And Rubay & Clas on keyboards, major on bass, lucky henry on whatever he wants.... Sure I'm leaving somebody out.... Pretty soon this'll look like Robert Fripp's guitar chorus but with bunches of everything. Wish I could write some words. I just compulse & obsess about other people's.

Randell--wha, it would be worse than hell? Thanx a lot.

Anthony--PLEASE elaborate. What was it? Whaddya think?

moray--seriously, if you want more, e me at oleander1@earthlink.net

stick around...bring yer jetski

and um ... yer supersoaker
and um ... maybe a helmet.

Dr. Mu: I'm crushed, to be forgotten. :( And after I went to such great lengths to include you in my Gaucho screenplay!

Ole: Caught that Idiot Savant, very clever. (Come to think of it, we might have a few more of those in here who go by other names. Hmmm...)

El Supremo: Miss you, husband! ILYM.

Just Katy :)

you guessed it - but another Guestbook favorite has driven it to these levels with me.

Q
Sales Agent - The Dan Project

Let me guess: Q is the one paying over 200 smackers for those Metal Legs on Ebay.

Amy: Nice site. If you have some more time on your hands, personalize it a bit more. How about doing nude sketches of Don & Walt for the site, based on your speculations?
Altamira: No dis intended, really. I actually think "the more, the better" is an appropriate axiom for posting. It is disappointing when I look on the GB, only to find few recent postings. So, don't reduce your output on account of little ol' me.

And just to prove it, go to:

http://music.acmecity.com//liveradio/142/SteelyDan.html?nocache=929908234

Most Danfully Yours,

Amy

I'm flattered and accept the position.

I'll give notice to my employer immediately.

Where do I report to............

Q

Anthony: Do you remember the name of the song or a line? Donald was singing? Probably not Jack of Speed if their were no horns.

Mr. Chaw: I've heard edited version of the following singles on the radio: Do it Again, Deacon Blues, New Frontier, Tomorrow's Girls, Trans-Island Skyway (different mix too than the album), and Snowbound.

With the guestbook lurching towards insanity (my feeling is that the 11/2 date will hold firm as X-mas shopping the past few years has been superb), the answer for idle hand, or is it mids, is obvious. (Mickey Rooney impression) Hey! Kids! Let's make our own album. Here's the virtual lineup:

lyrics - Oleander
tunes (disphoric ditties) - µ
instrumentation - David (Fla Room), Clas, Bob Tedde et al., Doc Kelly?...others
Backround singers - Peg, Ruby, Patti Austin (no lead singer - why not have the sound of "Here comes those Santa Ana winds again" throughout the whole album?)
Producer - Edd Cote
Engineer - Joe Murtha
Liner notes - Royal Scam, Altamira, and Kinky
Sales Agent - Q
Management - Geena
Artwork - rUdY, Midnite Cruiser
Publisher - Valhalla
Legal representation: fezo
Cuisine (most importantly) - Zeke

Sherman: Why, that's easy. The Beatles' "Hey Jude."

I'm starting to agree with Stranger's premise but I disagree with the theory behind it. I think our heroes are under too much pressure to produce. Ever day the GB denizens are posting with their latest thoughts as to when the new one will be released and some fanatics even have an online pool going as to when it will come out. I say we all back off and direct our attentions elsewhere. And you know, this constant stressing about release dates can't be good for our own health either. Let's devote our attentions to another 1970's band, but one that HAS released new material after a lenghty absence. I'll see you guys at the Blondie GB.

There is a "radio friendly" (blech) edited version of "Deacon Blues". I don't know if it's the same one released as a single with "Home At Last".

Fagen's video is an interesting look at how some of the more bluesy SD tunes are put together. What someone would get out of it is up to them.

If my aging memory serves me correctly, Rick Derringer was 15 when "Hang On Sloopy" hit #1. His brother Randy played drums.

Edd: What was the longest, unedited single ever to make it to Top 40 radio? The Door's Light My Fire, Inagadadavida or....what?

Hanging With the Dogs,

Sherm

Altimira - Thank you for your thoughts. Deacon Blues is a great tune. It's also nice and lengthy - and with the terrific effort they made with the production of Aja, it is a pleasure to listen to it every time. It was going to be the single from the album but, thankfully, the guys refused to edit it.

Randell - When not working, I'm at the Piano. Jazz/Classical/Composition. Just a hobby these days, but a lifelong one. Played the odd restaurant to get some cash during Uni.

Anthony - Did you hear it as a guest of Walt's? Surely that could be the only way.

Heard the new (??) Dan tune in the Hawaiin Islands this week. Must be a test run. No horns, tho. Thought you might like to know.

Does anyone have Fagen's keyboard theory video -is it worth buying ? Any comments welcomed.
Oleander- if you were consigned to Hell it wouldn't be hell anymore.
Mr. Chow, Lee , GK Richard - are any of you musicians ? maybe we could get together in Sydney.

Mr. Chow - I don't really have a problem with lists of favorites; they can be quite interesting. Actually, now that I think about it, I did post my three favorite SD albums a while back. I suppose my favorite SD track must be Deacon Blues - the music is wonderful, sophisticated yet with some interesting little quirks and surprises, and the lyrics deal well with the whole experience of being a musician. A close second would be FM - it's not as good in terms of music or lyrics, but it is great to hear Becker and Fagen play their instruments - the rougher sounds of Becker's bass and guitar and Fagen's piano provide a contrast to the smoothness of the sax and the strings - it's an exciting, energetic song and I often play it two or three times when I'm listening to that CD.
Regarding Snowbound, it is lovely, but I don't think it can rightly be considered a Steely Dan song since although Becker and Fagen wrote it, they both played on it, and Becker produced it, it still appears on Fagen's solo album and so it might be thought that Fagen had more influence on it than Becker did. My personal favorite from Kamakiriad is On the Dunes; it's a beautiful song and Fagen's singing sounds especially passionate (Snowbound ranks a very close second, though). Thanks for asking.

Servant--If you got together with Fucking Idiot, you could be Idiot Servant. You're in The Pool with 12/7 (Dr. Mu chose that date but in 2525).

moray--long time no eel. Jackie? not my genre. And I'm afraid it would bore everyone to tears to know the truth. I prefer flight of imagination.

McMurph--maracas?? Sigh--it breaks my heart, especially since I guess I'll be streamed into GB hell, but I'd say a AND b.

St. Al--I've also written him to no avail. He was set to have a busy summer, and may resurface yet. Say--suggestion--don't leave that shit in your car any more.

FI--So Steve & you are related?

Friquen--I'd give them both breakfast in bed.

RS--Teasing again! You're merciless! Cough up the Randy Newman-Dan thing already.

Stranger--I am truly worried about you. First it was the fillings, now the fall into faithlessness. Geena--I think you're the one who can really reach this poor fallen angel. Or do you think it'll take a full-scale incursion from all the Babylon Sisters? Advise soonest.

Oh and I forgot the British Commemorative edition.....

the Austin Powers version of My old School:

http://home.tampabay.rr.com/danman1/ukschool.JPG

more fun in the basement.........

http://home.tampabay.rr.com/danman1/doitagain.JPG

you've got to love that Japanese passion for the ornate !

The Brits do some cool stuff too.........

/doitagainuk.JPG

and the mega-rare......

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including inset

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you know, i was driving home today and 'reelin in the years' came on the radio and i was thinking, what a nice song it is. i mean it just hits the spot. why is it such a big deal for people who could write such a terrific number to put out some more like it? isaac asimov wrote 1,000 novels while holding down a job as a scientist and created all his life. but i fear fagen and becker have used up their creative juices and because they keep talking about putting out new stuff and never do they must be in some kind of hell. some people just can't produce when the pressure is off. if we took away the money and royalties and stuck them in a stinking, noisy room in hollywood they might start creating again. i fear they aree too rich and spoiled to keep going. i think it's over.

A big hello from across the pond, I have about 5 American women that want to marry me so you will appreciate I may be flitting hither and thither(no more toasters PLEASE) Dang it, I haven't been so popular since I saved Mary-Lou at the swimming carnival and gave her 20 minutes mouth to mouth (yeah yeah I know it is an old one, any snipes my E-Mail is above)

First thank you Lew for your mail, well done OZ getting to the final, I will be cheering Adam Gilchrist particularly...as you may be aware the marriage of Sophie and Eddie has just taken place so I am in an advanced state of beatification...yo, salvation in a can (yeah yeah any snipes my E-Mail is above)

I will be visiting the US next year...any chance of a bed? (I will perform cleaning duties upon request)

Yours as ever

Phil

Basher, What, Black Cow, Alfy, Confused, Alphared Belew, FPR, Fucking Idiot, Hosford, Kinky, Clas, R.P., etc.,

Have you seen Hermit lately?

Jim

Lew Chang: Funny you should mention the whereabouts of Rick Derringer; I was driving along Jefferson Avenue in Newport News the other day and I saw a portable marquee in front of a local roadhouse/bar/restaurant that said "Rick Derringer, June 17th". I didn't get a chance to go , but if he;s there again, I'll definitely check it out to see if he's the 'real' RD. I believe he also fronted The McCoys ("Hang On Sloopy") and played that great guitar solo on Steely Dan's "Chain Lightning".

Doc Mu: Good Randy Newman essay. You'll have to admit that there's a more -than-coincidental melodic similarity between the choruses of "Sail Away" and "Louisiana". -- There are some oblique Steely Dan/Randy Newman links I'd like to blabber about when you all get bored sometime.

RS

Altamira - While you haven't posted a list of favourites, I trust you don't discount their value. I find they often introduce various threads of interesting debate. I hope you're not averse. What is your favourite SD track? Is Snowbound the best track on Kamakiriad? (It is a true Steely Dan track after all as Walt and Don co-wrote - the only one on the album).

There is a thread on the Pat Metheny Group's "American Garage" concerned with the Pat Metheny/Steely Dan nexus. Most posters have admitted being introduced to PMG through the Dan. There certainly seems to be some sort of taste-link.

Lew Chang - I guess I should support the team as well, but its difficult as I have minimal respect for Warne. With SA out of the way (they were honourable in defeat), its ours!

Roy Scam! Thanks for the reply about Johny Winter, sorry to hear about all those records being thrown out. You mentioned a guitar player by the name of Rick Deringer!{spelling?} yes I had an album of his. I think it was called All American Boy! what a player!, and yes he did play on some SD albums. I wonder what ever happened to him??............... HEY PHIL!! are you looking in?? We made it to the final!!, Did you see that game UNBELEAVEABLE!! Just one more to go tomorrow night 7.30 till 3.30am our time. Looks like i`ll be late for work Who cares????...................GO AUSTRALIA!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone know how to get a hold of Hoops? I realize the list is on sabbatical, but I can't imagine Jim is... Please phone home.... Someone is trying to contact you.....

DSL is cool. One bad side effect might be I may let this sucker grow even bigger then I normally do...

Well I've just had another shitty day. Some asshole decided they wanted 20 of my favorite CD's, a leather jacket and a boombox (all located in my car) more than I did. That's twice. It'd be real nice if'n y'all focused some serious negative energy on the perpetrators of this violation, cause if I ever catch someone doing such a thing I'll be hosting this web site from Walla Walla State Prison...

You'd think I'd learn by now. Last time it was 40 cd's. Look's like I get to buy the Citizen Dan Box Set for the 3rd time...motherfuc!*%S

Black Cow is Coke, not Root Beer. That'd be a Brown Cow. There is a recipe on, GUESS WHERE, the Steely Dan Recipe Page of course!

http://www.seanet.com/~stalfnzo/recipes/

For those of you new to this web site there's a helluva lot more to this web site than the guestbook.

Clas, Please stop talking about your dog's dick. It doesn't have anything to do with Steely Dan and this is supposed to be a Steely Dan guestbook. Thank you.

got me a cuppla quattahs, ya.

nuff fer some beens n rice.

bin slurpin a good while now.

still got sum left.

queefgurglshnurgl schleeeoop now dats da suhWEETus soun ah know

root'ntoot'n
(don go fluffin dem sheets now ... ... )

Here be de recipe fo' some Black Cow, since all uh ya' is wonderin' whut it is. Ah' founds it on de internet.

Man!.. 2 Scoops uh Ice Cream, Root Beer Pour Root Bea' slowly upside Ice Cream, Garnish wid whipped cream and some cherry if you be desired.

So, how now brother cow?

Basher - These days I do freelance editing for non-profit groups; my specialty is cleaning up lousy prose written by over-confident consultants with abysmal writing skills. I used to edit a quarterly health newsletter for African American seniors, and the folks I did that for became my first client when I started my own business. I suppose I really shouldn't have mentioned what I do for a living on the list, as it was not appropriate. I would be interested in what exactly makes you think I'm not a good editor, for nothing I've posted to this list has anything to do with editing at all. But if you have some suggestions on how I could improve my writing and/or editing skills, please send them to my e-mail address, for we've taken up enough space on this message board with this side topic. I would like to point out, however, that I've never posted a list of my favorite anything and I've tried to keep my comments relevant to the topic at hand, for the most part. By the way, my real name is Anne, and I'm a dyke, not a faggot.

Alphared Belew - So what exactly is a Black Cow? I've read different recipes for it, but there seems to be some confusion as to exactly what it is.

****Quad asterisk??

I think I'm going to puke.

Altimira: How gay can you be?? What a wuss you are. Damn there are some faggoty people in here including you, Altimira. It even sounds like a girl's name. And yeah, like you're really an editor of a magazine or whatever. It seems like everyone in here is a frigging doctor or an editor or some bigshot, bullshit occupation like that. Yeah, and I'm an oil tycoon. And which magazine do you edit? Is it like Needles and Crafts magazine, or maybe some teen porn mag? Damn, if you're an editor, then I need to go knock on the door of Time, or People, or some other bigass magazine like that. You couldn't edit your way out of a paper bag, you fagget. Why don't you go edit something and stay out of our GB. We were having a nice boring time rehashing over and over and over our love for Steely Dan before you came along. I was about to create the one thousandth list of favorite songs, and was mulling over a list of stupid trivia questions when your stupid ass showed up. Go away and leave us to our misery.

Heheheheheeeeeeeeeeeeeee, hawwwhaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!!

Fuck you assholes...

--GB Parasite

spilled my milk. didya know that a black cow made with milk is called a Rosie?

Freakin'Puerto Rican - Actually, I was in choir, not band, but I just happen to like wind instruments.

A launch is a type of boat, so I suppose you would use it to go somewhere.

Fucking idiot - As a professional editor who also does a good deal of writing, I always try to please my readers. Just what is it you don't like about my writing? For one thing, my facts aren't bullshit because I carefully research everything I write. So do you think my analyses are bullshit? What could I change to make my writing more to your liking? Would you prefer more humor? I can be funny instead of academic. I'm a versatile writer, so I can probably accommodate whatever changes you suggest. (BTW, I really enjoyed the piece you wrote the other day; it had me laughing out loud at work! So I would appreciate your suggestions, since I respect you as a writer.) Until I hear back from you, I will limit my posts to one short paragraph per day.

Alt: Thanks for the explain on the tuba. I was not in "band" myself. But if I had to do it all over again...
Next question, if you can help me, I'll ask in hollywood square format. If you had a "motor launch for hire", what would I use it for? (I'll pretend I'm a skinny man with 2-tone shoes)

So what would you get Donald or Walter for Father's day if he was your dad?

Stop taking yourselves so seriously!

The fake Clas is an amusing caricature, so what? No harm done. His posts are a lot more interesting than most of these long BS sessions (listening, Altamira?). I have come to the conclusion that the only frequent posters with anything reasonably intelligent to say are Roy, Mu, and Oleander.

Oh, yeah: this goes without saying, but Hosford is an idiot.

I'm sorry, you stupid assholes, but this Clas impersonator is the best thing to happen to this place in quite awhile. You all know how I feel about Clas--I think he's an ass. Hey, I just made a rhyme....Clas is an ass. Everybody: chant it together!! Clas is an ass, Clas is an ass. And so are you Schwinn. What kind of moronic name is Schwinn. Where the hell did you come up with that piece of shit name, huh, Schwinnieboy?? Ahhh, ha, he, ho, ha, haaaaaa!!!!

Rappin' Fo' Tay

KSNS

Good morning Mcmurphy. Mad dog surrendered? Thanks for the further enlightenment re American Pie. Yes , the music does need a heart starter. Please make it be soon.

Ohhh, ME you are so crzy and funny. I will shoot my penispole supersoker at you: pht,phht,phht, he, ha he ha. Now you have penisjizz all over your meloncasing head. Ohhh, ha he ha. You are liking the white thing on your head? RE,re,re.

I think this Clas imposter is a social and mental retard. Has an obsession with his penis. Maybe he has penis envy.....HAHAHAHA!

I. A turning point in 'One flew over the Cukoo's Nest was when it was revealed that the patients were voluntary, not committed.
I suggest an entrance exam where prospective Guest Bookers show their profound insights -
ex. "Rikki "without maraccas is
a)still a finely crafted pop song
b)like love without kisses
c)sung by Phil Collins
Those who pass the test (of course b is the right answer) can be streamed into the GB appropriate to their needs.
II.There are some like me who post sporadically using different names. I don't think I'm lurking - it's fun to play with words and references. Last time I posted as Mad Dog this time as McMurphy -there's a connection there if you've read the book and it's Dan-related.Why, on the other hand, would people want to introduce themselves when some 'old hands' are downright hostile and guard the space so jealously? Talk about territorial pissings (or hosings).
III. Mr. Chow, you sound nice so don't get mad but - I thought of American Pie because of the length of time since the music died and the element of hero worship present.
IV. DAN RULES !

Ohhh, I love the puddin' pop aswel. That was funny how you say Puddin' Pop with the little apostrophee thingy deal there. Ha,ha,ha,ha. This is sooooofunny. Ha,haha,ha. Pompeii is laughing aswel: re,re,re,re....

Ohhh, hi KatyDanFanGirlGangLandFriend. I love the supersoker, it is so funny and crazy. I have a supersoker in my pocket: it goes phht,phht,phtt, all over the place. It feels good to shoot my big gun all over. I want to shoot my penispole supersucker at you. and then will you let me shoot it into your biscuitcan spchinter hole? Ohh, KatyDanGangBangFanLandGirl I am hurting so hard right now and you must give me the sausageball massage in my biscuit can. I will make three pots of chocalate mousse meatball soup for you and give you two feet massage per day. Ow,ow,ow, smak, msamk, smak, ow. Pompe misses you DanFanDannyKatyFanGangLandPersonGirl. He wants to shot his supersouker at you to. Ow,ow,ow. Re,re,re. He is saying re,re,re like a baby kttycat dog wienie.

...unless of course you don't like heroin addicts stinking up your living room.

Your Puddin' Pop,

Bill Cosby

Steve Hosford - I totally support your views my good man. I'm glad you found the Brian Sweet tomes interesting. Thank you for letting me know about the second one. I wasn't aware of it. I've had "reelin' in the years" for about a year. Despite not talking to Donald or Walter, the author did put some great facts together and, after all, he did talk to Donald's mum, so there's a bit of quality for you.

Oleander - Cheers!

Mad dog - I just can't handle "American Pie". Don McLean seems to just love tripping out about how special the song is. It really just brings back my breakfast. It may have been written about people like Don & Walt, but it certainly wasn't written by them. Nowhere near classy enough.

thanks for posting that shit twice*

*asshole

12/7 is the new release date. Trust me. The Eagles are listening.*

SSC

*In case a bird of prey is listening, please revert to 11/22 release date.**

**Used when Steely Knives were used to coerce the preceding information.***

***The triple asterisk is as unlikely as Glenn Frey finding a suitable liver.****

****The rarest of all adendums, the quad-asterisk beseeches the reader to, "Get a life and quit obsessing over a couple of guys who are obsessing over your attempts to establish a release date."

12/7 is the new release date. Trust me. The Eagles are listening.*

SSC

*In case a bird of prey is listening, please revert to 11/22 release date.**

when Steely Knives were used to coerce the preceding information.***

***The triple asterisk is as unlikely as Glenn Frey finding a suitable liver.****

****The rarest of all adendums, the quad-asterisk beseeches the reader to, "Get a life and quit obsessing over a couple of guys who are obsessing over your attempts to establish a release date."

Damn! Leave the guestbook for just a few days and look what happens: Katy has reloaded her super-soaker, Oleander is creating new words, some ignominious cretan persists in defaming our favorite Swede and more than a few of the GB veterans are calling upon the Kinkster to restore law to the forum...

So c'mon Kinky. Do your stuff.

It's not that I miss you. I just never had a clear shot...

Rapping with Cain,

SEMB

Oleander: Great new word you coined there, LOL, I love it -----and I believe it boils down to just that: most of us in here are having a DanFest but a few people want to have the other kind of fest you mentioned. *grin* To each his own!

I forgot to ask on my last post --- what's going on at LeBarBat this summer, anything interesting to DanFans?

Just Katy :)

what the fuck?

I'm on vacation and I brought 2 steely dan songs: The AIA Reelin' and the AIA Book of Liars. I didn't have much time to make a tape. I taped over some, but not all, old Bee Gees. It worked out great! Then I put Sade on the other side because flying makes me nervous and Sade is soothing & sexy. Gets my mind off the fact that I'm in a tin can 33,000 ft above the ground.

Fezo: I saw that I'm on your list. I'm jazzed!!

Clas: love you.

Fake Clas: don't even like you at all.

Oleander: I read your post and figured out someone needs a doctor like NOW. Good thing you're in the house!

Hang loose all -

rb

Steve--Let's talk. There are numerous ways to deal with the clearly inevitable rising swamp bubbles, one of which you unfortunately have arrived with in close propinquity. This is just the recent of many iterations of the same pattern, and believe it or not, there have been worse. You can ignore, but there are some who are encouraged even more by it, and take up increasing bandwidth until the scrollfinger spasms and rolls over dead. You can engage and and have a fuckyoufest, but that usually doesn't work either. And it tends to bring out the usually silent to flame you under various bogus personae. Or you can pretend this is a radio dial, and just stick to the frequency that appeals to you--just talk to the people who want to talk to you. Worst case, you can develop e relationships or live in chat instead. There are also many here who have little patience for those who newly have discovered aspects of the music and want to share their enthusiasm. Which I think is stupid. You rekindle my memories of finding this music which sustains, amazes, and amuses me. So put down your dukes, take your own advice, and rave on. BTW, remember that Brian Sweet wrote his book completely without the cooperation of either member of Steely Dan, so don't take his depiction of them as gospel. They are very bright and talented people who grew up in disastrous times and lived to tell the tale. Their personalities and personal lives, though probably fascinating, are none of anybody's business.

Mitch--yep.

Kinky--I just miss you, sweetie!

Mu--Wordsmith of the week: bludgeonary. Love it.

Kinky: Please come in and say something to get us all back on track. We've used tact, poise and reason; I think it's time to gently squeeze them!

*Filling up the squirt gun* *Looking over the crowd*....spraying high into the air so water falls on everyone for a full minute, and a few people get a special squirt right to their mouths, to keep them quiet for a few seconds.

"There, that should cool things down for awhile!"

Here is a quote from the archives, I knew I had hit this topic before, just had to do some research to find it again. No use re-inventing the wheel. This is a comment I made after receiving the "rookie diplomat nomination" in the GB. Here goes and I quote me:

"As far as the rookie diplomat nomination, that is truly an honor, thank you. IMHO, I do believe we can say whatever we want to each other, be it positive or negative, however it is generally unnecessary to be injurious in the process. The disagreement with another's ideas, opinions, or behavior is surely to be exptected and well tolerated by adults who have grown up; others who sometimes choose to squabble as children will probably be treated as such, and won't truly enjoy themselves here very much in the long run."

Now, if anyone still need squeezing.....Kinky's on his way...

Just Katy :)

Just Squeezing the Trigger Gently

on the Guestbook.

Where is Kinky - he needs to jump in on this high level holy war !

I.Seems like you're all adrift on a lifeboat ,trying to decide who's on the menu next.Some blame must lie on the co-captains who set you adrift without sustenance all these years.
II.You are all children of the universe, no less than the Dons and the Walts.You have a right to be here.
III.American Pie could have been written about SD.

What is with people taking themselves so fuckin seriously? I have never seen so many press conferences for people leaving the GB.. I am not going to beg, plead anyone to post here. Iguess some folks use this venue for venting and some for exchange of ideas. The windup is you must take the good with the bad and stop crying.

If you are thinking my brain is a pea then you must not like me Beena. Ohh it is hurting me very hard Geena. Ow, ow, ow. Please cum massage my penispole. My asscheck bottom is all red. Pompeii will not stop liking it. Ow,ow. ow. Samk, smak, smak. Ow, help me Danny and Waltor and Beena and Oleandor. Oleandar, my penis stinkes real hard. Ow.

Steve Hosford: If you leave because of this childish, deranged moron, then you let him win at his foolish game. He plays the I'm-tough-because-I-can hide-behind-my-computer monitor and spew pablum from my pea sized brain game.

Lizard, Fake Clas Tyrone and Newbie Police: Or whichever personality you're taking on at the moment. If you believe that what you wrote earlier pissed me off, then I suggest you get your rocks off somewhere else.

ehy hos, me think you funney too.

love this weirdest fuckin plase.

sabre at the reddy, Garth.

Steve Hosford - I changed my mind; I'll post the response now. Everything you write about Fagen and Becker was certainly true back when they were recording the earlier Steely Dan albums, but is not true any more. They have changed a great deal over the last 20 years, as have all of us. They both went through quite a time of transformation after SD broke up in 1980, particularly Becker's getting off drugs and Fagen's psychotherapy. Judging from what I've read, they are both now well adjusted, responsible, pleasant, reasonably happy people. Judging from what he writes, Becker still has a wicked sense of humor, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

By the way, I noticed that "Daddy" wrote something to you that was very similar to what somewhat called "Actually" wrote to me; the whole section starting with "nauseous." This person clearly does this to lots of folks; it's nothing to do with you.

Lizard - I've been on this list long enought to know that's definitely not Clas.

intheknow - Please say you're joking. I like Trans-Island Skyway, but once was enough and it sounded great the first time. And I don't like Fall of '92; besides, isn't it a little dated by now? And can't they write some more new songs after all these years?

Freakin' Puerto Rican - A euphonium is similar to a tuba, but somewhat smaller.

Steve Hosford - I am absolutely disgusted by the way the nasty, vicious, low-life scum have been treating you. But don't take it personally, they do that to everyone. Yet it makes me furious when they attack and chase away a thoughtful poster like you. I have enjoyed reading what you have written and have been thinking about my response to your excellent and thought-provoking post on Brian Sweet's book, which I'll write later on this evening when I get home from my Lesbian Avengers meeting, but I hope you'll still be around to read it. Please reconsider leaving; you are the sort of intelligent and polite person who makes this message board enjoyable and who provides a good antidote to the idiotic flamers.

Hey Daddy...thanks for illustrating for me that I do in fact have a life outside of Steely Dan and this message board, unlike your sad putrid self you whiney piece of cowardly shit too pussy to use your own name...

Have no worries, dude...I shall be long gone WAAAAAAY before a loser like you leaves this message board (this obviously being the extent of your sad life I guess). I just thought I'd visit and share the excitement of an upcoming Steely album, but it looks like I'll have to take it elsewhere cause all I'm getting here is a bunch of brainwashed Fagan/Becker wannabes and wishtheyweres too recently extracted from the primordial sludge to think for themselves yet, brainstems still undeveloped; I am highly embarrased for having associated myself with that end of the evolutionary scale, and think I shall stop.

GODDAMN!...loser CITY in here...

Thanks for the courtesy Oleander, Midnite Cruiser, Altamira, TheKatyDanFan, Mr. Chow. Not enough of it to go around though, and no appreciation here for intelligent discourse.

Trans-Skyway was a funky cut, like The big K got very little play. holsford or whoever : this is for amusement only ,you don`t have to end up in a rubber room over the posts.

Hosford, you are an annoyance.

You are pretentious and petty, and you are the epitome of all that I hate.

Begone, foul beast.

Leave while you still can. Leave while you still have a small shred of pride. You can cling on to that shred of pride at night when you're all alone and you're having a nightmare about walking around school naked and everyone is laughing at you and pointing.

You make me grow nauseous with your petty and insignificant musings. It's all been said before, Hosford. If there's anything that can be said about Steely Dan, it's been said right here before you ever arrived, you vile newbie. You make my hatred blossom and grow.

You are not a nice person, hosford. You are hurting me very hard. I am lying her in a pool of myown pissblood on the jail floor. Pompe is liking and liking, ow, ow, ow. Right on top of my herpey. Please Pompeii, stop licking my asscheek. My penispole is hurting very hard. Ow, ow,ow.

Hey Larry...what's your definition of a LOSER, dumbass?

Would you not define someone who is strung out on drugs and booze, full of self-loathing, consumed by cynicism and pessimism, always telling jokes that nobody gets and then laughing at THEM for not getting it, and basically looking down at the entire world...this does not define a kind of LOSER in your eyes?

I love the music of Steely Dan...but I am not enough of a brain-dead ass-kisser butt-licker like yourself to think that the lives led by the UNARGUABLY BRILLIANT Donald Fagan and Walter Becker are anything to be revered or admired or thought of as 'cool.' And btw, to anyone else who wants to follow in Larry the Village Idiot's footsteps: everything I referenced The Dan being guitly of is in "Reelin' in the Years" and "The Complete Guide to the Music of Steely Dan," so if you have a bone to pick, pick it with Brian Sweet, not me. LARRY, USE YOUR FUCKING HEAD NEXT TIME AND GET THE POINT BEFORE YOU SHOOT YOUR STUPID MOUTH OFF!!!!

Newbie Police: you, sir, are experiencing delusions of authority where there is none; I know it must be tough to need an identity so desperately...try and control yourself.
Newbie Police's Mom: get Huggies for your little tyke; Pampers leak and make the little guy cranky. And cut down on his sugar intake.

Ohh Geena, how is it you are thinking I am a fake one? I am not a phoney, you are treating me so hard. It is hurting my fillings and I don't even eat candy bar for mealtime.

Oleandar, you are getting angry with Clas aswel. Who is the Sarter guy who has a hell. Is he the same one who is writing dose crazy frogbooks from school? Ache of Reason or soemthing. Is Sarter a friendpal with Camoo and Thomas Man and those frogpeople from France? Ohh, I am so confusing, Oleandor. Ouch, my meatpole is hurting. Pompe gave me the herpey from liking me on my meatsausage pole. Ow, ow, ow. Smak, smak, smak. Ow, ow, ow.

Lizared you are so mean to Clas. Clas is hurting and the headcasing is dripping with bllod and pussjizz. Ow, my asscheek is hurting: smak, smak, smak.....

five whole dots dat time. I think I will cook a pot of meatsausage balls for mealtime.

Geena---You don't have a clue sweetheart. You're just to STUPID. Clas is a MORON and now so are you! So stop defending clASS and tell us all more about what it's like being Italian. Like we could give a flying fuck!!

Lizard: I don't think you've been here long enough. Trust me, it's not Clas.

Actually, the new one is centered around Trans-Island Skyway and Fall of 92. Twelve minute versions of each starting and ending the disc, respectively, and about 15 minutes of filler in between. It's going to be like Dark Side of The Moon for the new millennium.

Damn, I like that Maxine tune. Never thought of it until just now, could be a good slow dance tune. Very sexy lyrics and music. Seductive sax. BTW, whats a Euphonium?

Will Larry Carlton be on the new one? Good work on Nightfly.
Oh yeah, call Valerie Simpson, she's sings like an angel.

Trans-Island Skyway Redux??
Please Walt, don't let this be done.

No Steve, I think I'll ignore you for calling Donald a "Loser.....Kiss my ass Steve!"

Steve Hosford.. Sir, You a a newbie. Remember that! Who do you think you are? Get outta here creep before I spray mace in you face.

C
Some contributors to this guestbook NEED TO BE IGNORED COMPLETELY. DO NOT EGG THEM ON OR REFERENCE THEM IN ANY WAY, BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT. Don't call them names, don't disagree with them, do not acknowledge their existence, don't fight with them, NOTHING!!!!!
L
Just keep your eye on the NAME, and learn to SKIP IT when it makes an appearance. No curiosity has to be stifled to accomplish this feat, because in your heart you know they have nothing to offer anyway.
A
Every society has its share of deranged non-productive troublemaking leech types, and this guestbook is no different...except WE are not obliged to get these people the help they so desperately need. We can just ignore them with impunity, conscience clear, and before we know it they'll be pissing into the wind, babbling incoherently to themselves, lost in their own dark forest of loneliness and dementia, unaware that we have completely lost track of them because they make themselves so easy to spot - we can see them coming a mile away, so we just turn tail and head the other direction.
S
Give 'em the pitch-out, the intentional walk, take the bat out of their hands, RENDER THEM INCONSEQUENTIAL.

That is all.

Geena, Please answer my question. How do you know that the last couple of posts are not Clas? I've been reading this guestbook long before you ever got here and I would say that those posts you're referring to as "fake Clas" sounds JUST like the "real Clas". He's a piece of shit and only now do you see he's true colors. I know Italians are a little slow but PLEASE.

Geena miamo tutti mia mamasita. Pleese don't be angry at me, tutti frutti. I am thinking of these things naturaly as you say. Plese don't be hurtful to Clas. My sausage head casing is already hurting and I need to to kiss it and give it a swedish massage.

Will you massaging my swedish meatball weenie? Pompeii needs the dog ball massage for his dog chow weenie.

Please no more will you call me an imbecile? What is embecile meaning Geena? Ohh, Beena, you are hurting me so hard. My head casing melon is hurting, and my meetballs aswel. I am spanking my own asscheek on the right side to take my pain off my head. It's going smak, smak, smak. It is so loud. Ow,ow,ow.

Fake Clas:

Did you forget to take your Ritalin today or what?

You really kill me! I'm rolling on the floor right now as i write, laughing my ass off at how imbecilic you are. Where do you come up with these? I mean do you stay awake nights thinking about these things or do they just come naturally? Alas, I'm not lucky like yourself to have as much time as you to do come up with these truly witty postings, I have to work for a living and then I'm too tired to think when I come home....

A little surprise was waiting for me when I came home yesterday...a little package from amazon.com: "Reelin' in the Years" and "The Complete Guide to the Music of Steely Dan" by Brian Sweet. I haven't exactly heard glowing reviews of Reelin' but what the hell...there's nothing else out there. A cursory thumbing-through commenced; y'know, it actually kinda started to disturb me to think how I was beginning to embrace these guys...not just the music, but the personalities...they certainly ARE contenders for Ugliest Rock Band Ever, they're twisted, they either are or used to be greasy, scruffy, smelly (I'm sure) - probably anti-social - arrogant, elitist, self-amused, nasty, mean-spirited, sarcastic, warped, obscure, and darkly pessimistic. Yeah, real healthy.

Strangely, though, this is only serving to magnify my amazement at Walt and Don's seemingly boundless abilities to sing and play beyond themselves...I hear Donald's voice and in my mind's eye see an attractive, happy, well-adjusted dude, smart, not a LOSER, forever young, in sportcoat and loosened tie, walking in the sunshine, singing about things I don't fully understand but perhaps will someday when I'm his age, backed by a jumpy, perky band of 2nd-nature musicians, all of whom form a single consciousness. Steely Dan is ALMOST a true one-man band.

novembernovembernovembernovembernovembernovembernovembernovember

C'mon Steely Dan: Episode 8 - Two Against Nature! Save 1999!!!

11/22 is a monday - release dates are on tuesdays - i heard the new one is going to feature- yes - transisland skyway!!!! Donald doesn't think the song got it's props the first time around.

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St. Augustine was right.

Geena you are my bona prima coochia. I amora tu. I still am loving you Geena like the first time I met. Remeber the time I called you at 4pm in the morning and told you aboiut my hard one?

Genna will you come to Sweden and take care of Pompe for me. Pompe is hurt a nd I think he is gay. His penis thing is always red and there are bumps on it. I think Pompe has a herpey on his meatball dog weenie. I taking Pompe to the vegetenarian for a sexual checkup. He is always liking his penisballs and going re,re, re, re liike a little baby kittycat dog. Now Pompe has a herpe on his tong. Ouch...

Last Randy Newman I heard was his Faust musical. Very cool concept. Definitely not Gershwin. I agree with the poster who said that the Gaucho album has potential as a Broadway production, another (like Faust) allegory about what a firey pit Southern California has become. I can almost see Donald as the Che figure roaming the stage and narrating as the action goes on before us. Walter can play the elevator operator in the Custerdome.

George Lucas should have quit after "Empire Striks Back". That was one of the best movies ever made. Just as gripping on the twentieth as the first viewing. So many scenes permanently embedded in memory. When I think of "Jedi" or now "Menace" all I remember is the damn commercial tie-ins. Blech.

In some bassackward way I want Kubrick's last film to suck. If it's as good as "Full Metal Jacket", I'm going to be on the next plane to England with a resurrection kit.

Ole: pretty close with your guesses. Just a little off on (2) and (5). (2) were the three "Take It To The Limit" women in my life. Get your mind out of the gutter and think of the first lines of the Eagles song. (5) were my favorite GB posters who I have yet to meet.

Damn, guess I need to start work now

Hi Geena - My dumplings are your dumplings.

Freakin' PR - I bought an LP of Gaucho in the beginning as well. Hence I never hear Gaucho (the song) while Glamour Profession is playing (for the third time) as we have to flip the record over to hear it.

fucking idiot - Sarcasm is ugly. That top 30 changes every day and one day you'll thank me for reminding you about the second arrangement.

Oleander: Please tell me all about the orgy you threw down in Nawlins. I read a couple of the reports of it, but they were written in rather cryptic verbiage, some strange dixie argot, I presume, which I have yet to decipher.

I would prefer to read reports of the affair in traditional Jackie Collins form - with heavy use of phrases like:

"stroked her creamy white..."

or

"revealing her full, but firm..."

You know, language that makes me want to keep um.. reading.

Spys? Ivana Humpalot is very groovy, but personally I have my eye on the incredibly sexy, Robin Swallows. Speaking of which, has anyone seen Peter North lately? Or is he just a blast from the past?

m.e.

(The Nightfly is on repeat)

Lizard: Unless Clas hit his head really really hard, the accent was wrong on those last 2 posts.

only my Bruthuh knows fer shur
uh huh uh huh

diddle on.

Oleander and Geena: Question... What makes you both so sure that the last couple of posts under Clas's name was not Clas? I'm I missing something? Is Clas dead? Please let me know.

I listened to FM tonite really loud on a great system. Walter's bassline is SO cool!

Big Fan: Thanks so much for that link re: SallyTaylor. It confirms my earlier assessment of her. I've saved her web site. I wish I had caught her at one of those gigs in Ardmore or King of Prussia-----it would have been easy enough. Already she's off to Missouri, then CA, CO, and eventually RI and Maine. I will keep watching though. I think I'm going to like following her career. Two things she mentioned in her gig archive from last week are worth mentioning....in talking to younger kids about her music (and music in general) she learned to say it in a way they could understand---she told them "music is pictures from your emotions." She also says of herself "music is the only thing that makes me lose my time."

David in Florida Room: Thanks, you're so kind and I'm so excited about the news you gave me earlier! As for Josie, yes, I miss my sister and wish she would return. Actually, I think she might be in Sweden about now...*grin*

Geena: Regarding Basia, I love her rendition of Till You Come Back To Me, do you know that one? What a great beat that has. (Are you going to see Denny Dias in Boston on July 2? Do you know exactly where it will be?)

Alt: No apology needed ! I just enjoy being noticed in here now and then, lol. Your comments are appreciated, as always.

Clas: I'm KatyDane now? Ok, that's cool.

Home: I'm on my way to find them, thanks for the tip.

Stranger: I've been watching for you, I wanted to tell you that, it struck me just recently, how your namesake is such an amazing song. I mean, for a song that stays right around just a few notes and keeps repeating them, the keyboard variations in between lines are so astounding. Each one is so unique, I don't know how they do it, I'm awed every day by something I notice about these two. And then when the keyboard is finished with it, the guitar comes in and is just as creative. And finally the horns come in for that nice long pause, letting you know the song is going to end magnificently. No wonder you picked that name!

O Michael: Hope you are doing great, best friend in all the world, *grin*

El Supremo: Sweetheart, ILYM !!

Just Katy :)

Sail Away = Sail On

Roy: There are a number of recurring themes in Randy Newman's music, just as there are with the Dan. Stylistically, it's rock - I guess, but it's steeped in the great and classic American musical art forms: folk, a little country, Dixieland jazz, and a heaping dose of ragtime (most unusual for a post-Elvis artist) all with that New Orleans flavor. Even before Randy wrote and performed soundtracks, his music had that storyboard and cinematic feel while bringing intense immediaacy at times. This is most assuradely a result of his uncles who wrote movie scores. His lyrics have a great economy while still saying a great deal about folks whether elegant or bludgeonary, reminiscent of the pop songwriters of the first half of this century. The difference is the wicked irony Randy brings to the table, much like Steely Dan, with his inflected drawl sailing under lyrical melodies or at least an oom pah pah.

Hard times is a common theme. Getting rich the good old American way is another theme. Also, the problem of prejudice is tackled in a number of ways. Sail On's protagonist is a slave trader with a boat full of slaves. In Rednecks, Newman's character points out the more cruel and subtrafuge prejudice practiced by at the time by the condescending liberals in the North which are no better an maybe worse than the "traditional" prejudice practiced by the Southern crackers even in the late 60s. Contains the great line: "College men from LSU, went in dumb...come out dumb, too. Walking around Atlanta with their alligator shoes. Getting drunk at the barbecues." Just one of many examples how Randy Newman is able to absolutely nail an attitude or a concept with just a few words. That brings home another recurrent theme: Louisiana.

Louisiana Won the War is truly a hilarious follow-up to Dixie Flyer. A lot of Land of Dreams is autobiographical. Randy Newman's mom is from Louisiana and he spent his "baby days' there before his Dad dragged him back to Los Angeles. It has permeated his compositions throughout his career and he is quite sentimental about the other LA. The song captures the people perfectly...as well in a pop song as the famous "Confederacy of Dunces" novel at least from a long time "guest" for 5 years in the area up in Hello Baton Rounge. Rhyming "octaroon", "macaroon" and "Picayune" just kills me! The Times-Picayune, if you don't know, is the New Orleans paper - and Picayune can be translated from French more or less as "something inconsequential"...and you can tell from the lyrics that as Randy's Dad comes back from WWII to New Orleans, it seems that the victory was news 2 years after VE adn VJ days...or at least it was an excuse (not much is ever needed there) to throw a few parties. It was and still is a provincial area and stories, music, and food are how the folks communicate - less attention is payed to factoids and in-depth analysis in the paper. Yes, keeping appointments is optional as a road trip to a festival (about 52 for each week I think) could happen - it's amazing if the mail is delivered and the trains are on time.

Oh, yeah...louisiana 1927 is about water too - a lot of it.

Ole: You have "Bad Love" already?...jeez haven't even picked up the new BFF yet

geena,
you must have fagen annoyed because you've got him dressed wrong. he believes in spandex jackets for everyone.

guestbook police are tracing the crass clas imitator as we speak. did you read about the company that sued and unmasked anonymous posters on a yahoo message board? turned out they were employees.

We REALLY need The New One, and FAST. People are beginning to go oogly woogly here big time.

All we, jk--jeez, you missed the joke, which I suppose was pretty lame to begin with.

Steve--That was good.

Alta--Nonono, what we hear is what we get, at least in the illicit tunes, which have no published lyrics. I thought yours were funny. Who knows if mine are right?

Joe--Whoa, thanx for the tip! I am on that Herbie Hancock cd like Wendel on Nightfly!

lucky henry--endless thanx for the pix! You are resplendent in your threads. Whose wild guitar is that?

Let's see, in cd changer: 11TOW [permanently]; BFF "... Reinhold Messner"; Kama; Randy Newman, "Bad Love" (very funny, incidentally, and yes, bitter and sometimes crude, just like I like him); Bud Powell, "Time Waits"; Citizen 1 & 4; Bud Powell Trio, "Strictly Powell"; BFF, "Whatever" & "BFF."

fezo--OK, here's a stab: 1) In cd changer. 2) Best POA in high school. 3) Fav Dan tunes. 4) Best Civil War memorials. 5) Best GB love triangle.

Stranger--Actually, I think you have an abscess and are delirious from the pain. I know a good dentist....

Geena, Doc, Steve, Carl Owens--Laughs of the week.

Fake Clas--you and Fucking Idiot should share that room in hell designed by Sartre. On second thought, you're too much alike and might enjoy each other.

Sasha--you make mevana humpalot.

To the Clas phony/Swedish Police: Tell me, How enjoyable was the time you used up to post that unnecessary crap? Keep your day job.

Clas: I'm right here! You should have heeded the advice given to me when I fell off my bike and hit my head on a boulder? Remember that? Next time wear your Steely Dan helmet with "Can't Buy A Thrill" emblazoned on the front and you'll never fall again!

Josie DanFan: Get your butt back in here girl!

Katy DanFan: I like Basia too, but I can only take her in small doses.

TheStranger: if you wiggle those tooth fillings a little to the left, you'll receive a more audible transmission. Don and Walt are here with me. yes, you heard me right. I refuse to let Walt out of bed until he brings me the grape soda and the new barbecue flavored Doritos I've been asking him for, and Fagen is not in his jockey shorts, but in his brand new speedos and Menudo t-shirt I just purchased for him. I'm making them both listen to Sesame Street CD's and watch Barney videos until they both stop fighting and whining. You need not worry folks, the new one will be out sooner than we know, I think they're starting to cave.

Jerry Garcia is alive and well and living in my backyard. Oh...gotta go, he's trying to smoke the weeds....

Mr. Chow: An order of szechuan dumplings to go please and hold the MSG!

you mean but funney

I just got done installing a CDRW as a fourth drive in the machine - copies CD audio disks about as fast as you can say do it. No more worring about rare CD's getting banged up in the truck - or the the wife letting the kids spread penut butter with them in her car.

I see Denny Dias is playing in Boston on July 2 - can't make it this time - am visting the 'rents in PA

Is the SD mailing list ever coming back?

Q - enjoy - I know I would have.

I have to go to Dayton, OH for the week next week - at least I'll get to see a SR-71 up close - I've only ever touched the fuel control before.

I wish there was some news to report - sorry

I am hating you, you angry Swedish police. You are have hitting me on my headcase. My head casing is all red like a couple of Great Dane testicles. You hitted me, bong, bang, bong, bang. I will sick Pompe on you and he will eat your red nutballs for mealtime.

My melonhead needs a massage. I am liking the Swedish massage. Olga please help me, Pompe had his red dog dingey in my melonface. He is licking my Swedish meatball hotdog weiner.

Clas...You're not funny, you were not in jail, you were not hurt....eat shit and die! Jerk

Clas...You're not funny, you were not in jail, you were not hurt....eat shit and die! Jerk

Oleander, my head is still bothering me. I felled down on the jail floor and hurted it real hard.

Pompe was there and he lickeded my bleeding inside head and the boy made it all good for now.

I woke up, though, Oleander, and Pompe was hurting me with his little red thing. He had his red penis thing in my face and dog turd was everyplace. I told Pompe no and ouch, but he will not listen to me all the time. I hitted Pompe and he cryed out ouch and re, re, re, re. I have never killed Pompe before lick that, Pompe is hurt.

I dont' like that red penis thing. It has funny white stuff running out of it and it stinkes. Help me Danny and Waltor!!

NOVEMBER!! This is just not effin' funny. Oh well, it gives me a longer chance to get on MTV's "Fanatic" so I can go to the studio and cuss the bastards out.

--Luckless

PS: Thought about changing my handle after Littleton. Then decided it was still OK.

Dr.Mu: "Louisiana" is to "Sail Away"
as
"Chained Lightning" is to "Pretzel Logic"
i.e., a very similar, but not quite as brilliant, song based on historical references. Please don't question this; my wife and I are experts since we saw Randy Newman in April, and I've been to 3 Danfests.

I agree that Dixie Flyer is a masterpiece; I think I heard him say in an interview with Bob Costas (yes, the sports reporter) that he thought that was his best work. I also love the sequel, "New Orleans Wins the War", wherein Randy's father comes home from the war and moves them back to L.A.

Fucking idiot: You are a fucking idiot. I mean that in the nicest possible way. I think I am one too. Not only do I enjoy reading people's opinions and trivial experiences, but I also enjoy reading you making fun of them (us)for it.

RS

ok, received some clear transmissions and here's the deal. good news and bad news. both of them were abducted by aliens, which appears like bad news except these aliens have grown impatient waiting for a new cd. it's already been 16 mazar5 miliseconds. anyway, they got dan and walt a new state-of-the art studio, can send for any musicians they want and have been promised release when ETs get a release, if you see what i mean. but more bad news is they can't get becker out of bed and fagen's just sitting around listening to miles davis in his jockey shorts.

hi guys in DanFanGangLAnd!!!!

One time, i was walking through this supermarket, and i actually heard hey nineteen! i mean, i almost crapped my pants! the most amazing experience of my life. i thought you guys would like to hear about it.

did you know there's this song that, i think, is called the second arrangement, and it was ERASED??? i got this insider information and thought i should share it.

would you like to read my top 30 list of favorite Steely dan songs? e-mail me for a list.

DO NOT go see the Phantom Menace. The acting is poor, there's these goofy ALIENS (can you believe it? i can't) in it, and there's all these weird explosions and lightstick battles. i mean, geez, it was NOTHING like the other two (three? four?) installments!

since my comand of the english languige is so strong, i hereby anoint me king of gramer!!! if anybody uses more or less then three dots, me will point it out! am'nt i smart?

Bye till next time!

Katy : Matt Bianco was a british techno-pop band from the mid 80's. Most of their stuff is very much like Basia's : light n' breezy, with a lot of jazz \ latin rythms laced in.(CDNow carries most of their albums...)

Band I was referring to yesterday is Galactic (not Galaxy...sorry for the slip).

David : I agree; I hope Josie will come back. Things seem a lot more civil around here, and discussions are what they used to be : interesting and intelligent - the kind of stuff she used to enjoy.

Josie : up to you.

Clas: You're right. Newman was on top of his game on Letterman. His new one is bound to be great. Dixie Flyer from Land of Dreams (10 years ago? - his last studio LP disregarding Faust) may be my favorite Newman track of all except maybe Louisiana 1907 (the flood song from Good Old Boys)...Hmmm, lesse I haven't seen SW/PM (whew!), did I save enough?...No, the kids saw it with Mom and loved it - my son's a big Darth Maul fan and know he's sword(lightsaber)fighting all evening in his room.

something isn't right in DanLand. i think one of them might have been abducted by aliens. i will let you know. i'm getting sporadic apocalyptic messages through my tooth fillings.

new star wars sucks. i know this for sure because i didn't see it. donald and walt hunkered down again in parts unknown. kubrick is dead. so is jerry garcia. and i'm not feeling so hot myself.

hey clas, thanks for reminding me of new randy newman album. i think it will be glum, funny and good. i know this for sure because i haven't heard it.

Dennis the phantom menace (Jay not peter North): I believe that's "Tell that to Yoda and a refund maybe you'll get."

David in Fl room- Freakin PR CAN talk about the Nitefly as much as he wants as long as he let's you know that Becker had nothing to do with the making of it.

Thanks for everybodys concern. And Roy, I wasn't walking, I was just trying to stand. And man, amazing lineup at Berklee. Mine is probably going there this fall.

Sasha - you have a wonderful name. Youre parents must have been very happy when they baptist you. Are you a happy woman too?

Fezo - that bridge-thing was a joke. But thanks for the info anyway.

Mitch - was it you who mentioned the book "A drinking Life"? I bought it, it seem to be a great novell.

Saw Randy Newman at Letterman the other night. He sang a wonderful new song, "Better Off Dead". I just loved it.

I know where Ruby is but where is Geena? And hey KatyDane! And Ole; thanks for the helmut. Zeke - hi!

I'll be gone for a couple of days, meanwhile, do the space and dot-thing right, okay?

I must apologize for my homee'z "dance remixes" wisecrack. Yes, all, this was humor in the finest Dan sense. Carl Owens be da one dat spiked your humble narrator's musical I.V. DeMilo wit duh DAN, man! Y'ont finda bigga FAN!!

MAN, WHAT A GREAT YEAR IT WAS TO BE...

The new Star Wars movie...FINALLY!!!!

Another Kubrick movie...AWESOME!!!!

Another Steely Dan album?...YEEEAH BABY, YEEAAH!!

It's been 19 years since such a convergence in one glorious year (Empire/Shining/Gaucho)...

Well, we all know how the Star Wars thing turned out...and depending on Kubrick's final terrestrial peep, the Dan may just NEED until November 2 to redeem this year. I'm sure they pushed the date back when they saw PHANTOM MENACE:

WALT: "Don?"
DON: "Yeah, Walt...talk to me."
WALT: "...the HELL was THAT????"
DON: "I have NO FRIKKIN' IDEA."
WALT: "Where are the hidden cameras?"
DON: "I want that $8.50 back."
WALT: "Bummer, man!...I thought Lucas was gonna carry the year!"
DON: "Actually, you know what? I think the dude just out-did us."
WALT: "Hmmm..."
DON: Could be the greatest joke played on an unsuspecting audience since ANYTHING we ever did."
WALT: "Wow...that HAS to be it, huh? Damn...I have newfound respect for that guy. HAHAHAHA! And for a second there I thought he was seriously asking us to buy that buzzing dung heap of a movie. This makes me feel a hell of alot better. I'm actually kinda inspired now."
DON: "Me too...let's cut the shrinkwrap and head on back to the studio. I got me some ideas. We can't allow Lucas to get comfy here in Danland. Not enough room for the both of us."
WALT: (laughing uncontrollably now) "It all makes sense now...JAR JAR?? HOOHOOHAHAHAHO...and that KID???? JAKE LLOYD??? HARHAHARHAHEHOHO!!! Fart jokes? Shit jokes?? HA-HAAA! God that's funny!! Lucas, you sly little trailblazing non-conformist DEVIL you!"
DON: "You know what we need, Walt...TIE-INS."
WALT: "McDan."
DON: "Dan in the Box."
WALT: "Little Steely's."
DON: "Steely's Jr."
WALT: "Burger Dan."
DON: "Steely King."
WALT: "Dan Queen."
DON: "Dairy Dan."

It could've been a KICK ASS YEAR. Now, hopefully, it'll be ONE SWEET CHRISTMAS.

Freakin' PR- You can talk about Nightfly anytime you like man...it's another Fagen/Becker work of art like all the rest. Wendell II was a prototype Drum Machine Roger Nichols and Don Fagen had a hand in developing. Each instrument (Snare,Kick,Hi-Hat,Tom-tom,etc.) was in it's own rackspace module.This made the thing really big...however, it was very powerful and able to completely Randomize the Grooves.Place ment of notes in the measure,as well as Dynamic range (how hard each note was hit) could be randomized to varying degrees. This gave it a real human feel. It was so powerful and needed to be so big ,plans to manufacture it were scrapped. All this at a time when Everybody else was calling in Bob Clearmountain to program their Lynn Drum Tracks. What do you say DR.MU?anything to Add here?

Katydanfan-The Name with a face thing was all my pleasure...wow!

El Supremo- You lucky Dog you... Boy will you be a happy guy when you finally "get to the other side" (wink)

P.S. I'm trying to get my Good Friend JosieDanFan to return to the GB...She was flamed by someone and retreated .She's a big Dan Fan and great person and deserves better.Let's welcome her back. I know she misses alot of you folks.

David

Hell, I guess nobody knows who's shooting pool with skunk.

agree with all on Gaucho. when it came out, I went to a hi-fi store with prices as high as giraffe twat, the sales person demo'd the system with Gaucho.
I passed on the hi-fi system and walked next door and bought the LP. I think it came out around the time of the CD.
Also, if I remember right Led Zep In Thru the Out Door came out about the same time. Those guys went strait to hell after that one.

Why won't we talk about Nightfly here?
great set of musicians on that one. was there a harmonica played on any steely tunes?
who's wendel II?
coolest name on credit, starz vanderlocket

Fatty - Yes I know the Necks - good for the cab drivers. Where are they playing lately?

Grrly Fred - Scratch Anna Falchi, make it Charlize Theron.

Now, I’ve had time to think about this further.
A quick top 30 (not including Nightfly or Kamakiriad):

1. Glamour Profession
2. Don’t Take Me Alive
3. The Caves Of Altamira
4. Kid Charlemagne
5. Babylon Sisters
6. Time Out Of Mind
7. Chain Lightning
8. Do It Again
9. Black Cow
10. The Fez
11. Hey Nineteen
12. Home At Last
13. Dirty Work
14. Aja
15. Josie
16. Sign In Stranger
17. Fire In The Hole
18. Green Earrings
19. Only A Fool Would Say That
20. Show Biz Kids
21. Through With Buzz
22. Haitian Divorce
23. Deacon Blues
24. My Old School
25. Everyone’s Gone To The Movies
26. Turn That Heartbeat Over Again
27. My Rival
28. Peg
29. The Royal Scam
30. Razor Boy

…and I had to cull a lot of great tracks to get down to this list!

Brian Sweet mentions in his biography of the band (which incidentally mentions most - I dare not say all – issued Walt & Dan material up until 1995) that a recording called “The Second Arrangement” which would have been on the “Gaucho” album was inadvertently lost in the engineering process. Evidently, everyone was very happy with this track that spontaneously worked in the studio. It was the first track completed and a sad loss.

He also mentions that the release date was more like November 21, 1980 (p148).

Mr Chow :Do you know of a band called THE NECKS? They have a cd by the name of SEX which is a smooth 60 minute ride on the back of a riff just like " Royal Scam" - great driving music.

Howdy, DanFanGangLand!

Well, I am happy so many of you mentioned I left out "Glamour Profession" from my list of "25 SD Fav's" I listen to, (in order of my PERSONAL preference).

I listen to all-of-'em, just some I like more than others. Perhaps, I don't really include "Glamour" is a gay friend of mine from college used to come over an sing it all the time----come to think of it, hilarious----now.

Guess you would have had to been there.

Saludos!!

Michael
; )

Steve Hosford - wholeheartedly agree. I have previously asked D & W to produce a 10 minute version of that total gem "Glamour Profession" - not different (and live wouldn't do it justice) - just LONGER!

Carl Owens - You can not be serious. Did you Mum let you write that? Wasn't it way past your bedtime? Please do not mention that word again.

Grrly Fred - I agree about Winona - just say no. Anna Falchi any time.

Lew Chang: Your mention of Johnny Winter's "Second Winter" made me a bit sad. Some years back, I sold a whole box of vinyl albums from the 60's and 70's, all in one nostalgia-crushing chunk at a garage sale. I'm afraid all of my lovely-and-talented Johnny Winter collection was therein. Yes, his style, if kept under control would have been great on some of those Royal Scam numbers like Kid Charlemagne and Everything You Did. -- I did , keep my favorite JW album, however; the one he did with Rick Derringer (Steely Dan participant on Katie Lied). It contains the Johnny Winter version of "Rock and Roll Hootchie Coo" with Derringer backing up. Great record.

In response to my trivia question of about a year ago: Johnny Winter is the other artist beside Steely Dan to use Rick Derringer AND record a song called "Dallas".

1MyOldSchool,2BlackCow,3BadSneakers,

RS

Steely Dan Pittsburgh awaits your next visit and concert in the
hot summer of 99' at Coca Cola Star Lake Amphitheatre.

Sorry El Supremo but "Glamour Profession" is it. Next would be probably "The Caves of Alatamira" and then "New Frontier". Lets not forget the soulful "Dirty Work" and fifth "The Fez". Actually my vote for the best "side" of any album is the first side of "Gaucho". Best Album: "The Royal Scam".

Steely Dan are a big part of my life.What else can I say.
Nightfly is embedded in my soul,though.Your website is impressive,thank you.I'll be back again.

Oh, thanks to the doc yesterday, he gave me Distalgesic, my head aint hurting anymore. But I feel a little confused though.

Bob, avoid Cincinnati, don't ever play there.

Michael - are you ok? Was it a bypass or what?

Dave in the Fla - hi man. I'd love to come and cruse with all you crazy ones.

Today it's hot like hell here in Stockholm. Like New Orleans in May.

And girls, where are you?

jk: e mail me ,i would love to have a cassette made of that tape you mentioned

Witch Queen - Regarding the question, "What is a whack?" The person to answer that question is Walter Becker, after all, he recorded 11 (actually 12) tracks of it.

Michael Packard - I'm glad that you're doing better. I'm looking forward to hearing the Manassas CD I ordered.

Big Fan - Yes, I will buy AIA, since I really do like Aja. I'll also buy a CD of the St. Louis performance; then I'll have the best recordings of both the 1993 and 1996 tours.

Hey y'all! Heah y'all had a wonderful time in mah fair city....wish ah coulda been there, but ah wuz bizzy wit mah mergers and acquisitions, and y'all know how dat goes.

Whats wit Tahrone? Boy, y'all bettah watch what you say, we got this thang called Poh-lit-icul coh-rec-tiv-ness, you got that? Now stop this sheeeat afore ah woop yore behind! Heah are some questions for y'all to ponder on a bit.

If people from Poland are called "Poles," why aren't people from Holland called "Holes?"

If you take an Oriental person and spin him around several times,does he become disoriented?

If you mixed vodka with orange juice and milk of magnesia, would you get a Phillip's Screwdriver?

Why do we say something is out of whack? What is a whack?

Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery?

Why do women wear evening gowns to nightclubs? Shouldn't they be wearing night gowns?

If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?

When someone asks you, "A penny for your thoughts," and you put your two cents in, what happens to the other penny?

Why is the man who invests all your money called a broker?

Why do croutons come in airtight packages? It's just stale bread to begin with.

Why is a person who plays the piano called a pianist, but a person who drives a race car not called a racist?

Why are a wise man and a wise guy opposites?

Why isn't 11 pronounced onety one?

"I am " is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that "I do" is the longest sentence?

Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4's"?

Why is it that if someone tells you that there are 1 billion stars in the universe you will believe them, but if they tell you a wall has wet paint you will have to touch it to be sure?

Austin II rules !

Q

Hello DanFanDom!
My preferences for Steely Dan listening are:
1) Deacon Blues
2) Doctor Wu
3) Bad Sneakers
4) Babylon Sisters
5) Gaucho
6) Your Gold Teeth II
7) Doctor Wu (Katy Lied)
8) Haitian Divorce
9) Black Cow
10) Throw Back The Little Ones
11) Kid Charlemagne
12) Black Cow
13) My Old School
14) Time Out Of Mind
15) Pearl Of The Quarter
16) Rose Darling
17) Home AT Last
18) Any Major Dude Will Tell You
19) Peg
20) Night By Night
21) The Royal Scam
22) Bodhisattva
23) Razor Boy
24) Show Biz Kids
25) Hey Nineteen
Enough of my choices for preferences---what are Yours? And, why do you like them? And, why don't we get more? And what-is-the-deal?
KatyDan, ILYMHSRD!!!
Cheers,
ES

Howdy, DanFanGangLand!

Thankyou to all of you for your well-wishes about my health----I am doing quite well---tire easily, still listening to Steely Dan songs, though.

Altamira----well, the TunnelRecords Manassas version should be good, kiddo.

Schwinn, yes---baffle down your Harley when going into Moore, from Norman, Oklahoma.

The remasters----worth buying---subtleties apparent when listening through a good set of headphones.

Still like the Live In Nashville and Live In St. Louis sets of '93 era----Drew Zingg is my preference over Wayne Krantz as far as guitarists go. Well, then, there is Rick Derringer, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, George Benson, Earl Klugh, Al Dimeola, Larry Carlton, and so many others----what about if Hendrix had lived?

Oleander and RubyBaby and Clas---where are y'all?

KatyDan, I love you more than El Supremo does, darlin'.

Saludos!

Michael
; )

moray eel,
the nightfly, but the solution is simple. Play the whole thing again, and then finish with yet another reprise of "New Frontier". It works for me!

Summer in NashVegas doesn't truly begin until FANFARE.
now lemme tellya bout hats and hooters. woohoo. gives me a hankerin for a yoohoo and a countermoon pie. took PL, blow by blow, and randy's 12 songs to help arrange about 20 lbs of fake silk flowers on WYNONNA's little veranda.

amazingly, the only one playing any music in agriculture hall.

hey dave, lived for about a year on 7th ave in Ybor in a small studio above a clothing store, beveling glass, foiling glass, blowing glass, building furniture, paintin picshures, drinkin beers at rough riders. still turn the dial to 88.5 whenever i'm there. sure has changed. ick. but damn fine memories.

bring on the RV's and autograph books,

GF

Clas-Thank you sir ...I've always read your posts with interest..why have we not communicated more?
Also, it seems you were a big Hit at the Danfest...I'm ashamed that I couldn't make from Florida,seeing how you came a much further distance...hats (and hooters ) off to you Sir!
Regarding a DanFest at sea: I would be the first to sign up and all we need is a couple of Luminaries to get it going...Elliott Randall and Rick Derringer have been hanging out at Ft.Myers Beach,where I play every week.I bet I could talk to Bernard Purdy too, We Email each other.There's a ship that sails from Tampa Bay (yes we've cruised on her) they do 3,4 and 7 day cruises and I could check it out .What say Ye Danfolk?
David

Big Fan... They played the full version of AJA on the entire 1994 tour.

K.D.F: For you, what can I say, it's been a slow week.
http://www.phillynews.com:80/daily_news/99/Jun/11/features/FSAL11.htm

Alt: By all means buy AIA. The sound quality is nowhere near as good as good as the best bootlegs, but it will ease your mind and you will hear a live version of Aja in entirety which is a true rarity. How many dates did they play Aja? I'm guessing less than 10. I only ever saw the instramental prelude version in 93. who knows maybe they will play it in 00.

David In the Fla Room - I have no shitlist, I love you man.

Now I'm going to you tell you something where I come from:

My grandfathers grandfathers grandfather was a jewish (whatever that is)businessman from Germany. He moved to Sweden before the fall (I don't mean MY fall last week (how the hell could I mean that, I didn't exist then). So, I'm jewish(and after I hit my head on the ground I can sure tell you that it feels like I have a fez on my head).

My mothers mother came to the north of Sweden from India. So I'm a muslim too. And I sure hope their talk about reinkarnation is true (after my fall).

Tomorrow I'm gonna tell you how my grandfarher came to Sweden.

Puhhh, I'm sorry, I can't think right now.

Zeke - my Danfest was very funny, but a litle too much for an aging man.

mitch - I don't know when it was released. it is a cdr. with a simple but nice cover (photo of a naked asian) and it says "another A+ quality recording on it. got it at the local sun. flea market

RubyBaby - "Your voice on my machine..." I write to you soon.

My dog Pompe spent a night at the county jail. Me too.

Then I fell hard on the ground and hurt my head. 3 brainscannings. No water for 24 hours.

My God. I must write a novell.

I get back to you as soon as my head stops hurting. It's bleeding INSIDE my head. Oh my God.

You were right Ole, this is killing me.

1. Bill Evans. Portrait In Jazz

2. Miles Davis. '58 Featuring Stella By Starlight

What a band! Miles Davis, John Coltrane,
Bill Evans, Cannonball Adderly, Paul Chambers and
Jimmy Cobb.

3. Miles Davis. Kind Of Blue

Basically the same band as above. Blue In Green
still breaks my heart.

4. Pops Staples. Peace To The Neighborhood

5. Fagen. Nightfly

Only one complaint - it's not long enough. 30 some
odd minutes? Come on.

6. Sarah Vaughan. Golden Hits

Pretty good compilation.

7. Van Morrison. Moondance

Sounds simple and handcrafted. Caravan brings
some powerful images.

8. John Coltrane. Lush Life

Great stuff, before he went way out.

9. The Beatles. Revolver

10. Igor Stravinsky. Le Sacre du printemps.

Oslo Philharmonic Orchestra

m.e.

I was strolling along the aisles today of my friendly neighborhood grocery store, when,"Any Major Dude," came on over the PA system. I then proceeded to thouroughly embarass my fiance' as I sang, and danced down the butter, cheese, and eggs aisle with our cart. I just couldn't help it. It brought such a spark of joy to an otherwise mundane shopping chore.

Here's my entry to the what do you have in your cd changer survey:

1. "Citizen Steely Dan" disc 2
2. Sunny Day Real Estate "the pink album"
3. Tom Petty "Wildflowers"
4. Ben Folds Five "Whatever and Ever Amen"
5. New Radicals "Maybe you've been brainwashed too."

This is how it is filled whenever I do the picking. If my moose got to it first, then it would be somewhat different. Although I must admit, it is him who turned me on to Tom Petty.

Just a question: I saw the post (I believe it was from 'JustKaty') saying about a Dan chat time on Fridays. I thought the only designated chat time was on Sundays? If there are more, please let me know, as Sundays are a little bit difficult for me.

Happy belated birthday Schwinn! I hope it was a good one. You know it's funny, in my lifetime I have hardly ever met any other geminis, and now I am told that this site is full of 'em! What a warm and fuzzy feeling! I am not left handed though, but my moose is! I am hoping that means when we have children that they will all be lefties too.

Being that there was that little verbal skirmish earlier about ethnicity, I thought it might be interesting if I told you my own quirky combination. My mother's family is entirely Polish Catholic. My father's family is entirely German Jewish. Boy did the stuff hit the fan when they decided to get married! My parents decided to raise us with no particular religious upbringing, and I think we turned out just fine. And yes, I love pierogies, matzoball soup, kielbasa and saurkraut, giefelta fish, and all that other great food. But it does tend to be a little bit stinky.

Well, I'm officially into my 4-day mini-vacation from my work. I just hope it doesn't go by too fast.

Livin' it up!

te1etubbie o-: )

Dr. Mu - Great to have you back. I hope your work doesn't continue to keep you away from us. Thanks for your list of what you're listening to; I'll keep that in mind when I can afford to buy some more CDs.

El Supremo - I haven't bought any of the remastered recordings because I just have a boombox rather than a real stereo (I have a small apartment and a large collection of antique furniture, so I need to conserve space around here) and I doubt that I could hear the difference in sound quality.

Schwinn - I hope your birthday was pleasant. BTW, I subscribe to Bicycling magazine, and your namesake brand is making some great bikes these days!

Bob Tedde - If you ever play in the Washington area, please let us know, I would love to attend your show. We have lots of great venues around here these days as a result of our recent economic rennaisance. But best of luck in Milwaukee, I wish I could be there.

The Katy Dan Fan - So the chat room is up and running these days? I'll have to stop in and check it out some time. Friday tends to be a free night for me; I'll visit the chat room next week.

Interesting note on the Nissan Pavillion; if SD plays there, I guess I'll have to rent a car to get out there, unless I can find some better means of transportation. I'm glad that you appreciate my little nuggets of information; I just love researching and I'm pleased to have a new subject to explore.

jk - Regarding Brooklyn with DF on vocals; is that the same version I have on my double-CD set of demos? I had read in an article that Fagen is singing in the style of Bob Dylan (a singer he has said that he admires) on that song. He does sound somewhat Dylanesque on that track, which is much slower than the version we're used to and includes a second verse that was later discarded, but there's another track on the demo CD on which Fagen seems to be more obviously mimicking Dylan. It's called Ida Lee, and Fagen sings it in a style quite different from anything else he's done - it features long pauses, some lyrics performed in a spoken style, and a great deal of wandering from the melody. It also has some lyrics we'll hear again - "We'll break out the favors, the hooters and the hats." Also, there's another track, sung by someone other than Fagen, called Soul Ram that has some interesting lyrics. It's about a woman who is quite adventuresome, "Who could know she'd be on top, all night long, non-stop right or wrong," and has a line to gladden the heart of a life-long Washingtonian like myself, " After dark, Takoma Park can sure be fun." I am pleased that Fagen and Becker have given their stamp of approval to this charming town; it's a place I'm quite fond of myself, although I'll now always be wondering what their connection with it was. Maybe I'll let the City Council know about this; Takoma Park is the sort of place where the political leaders would be delighted about the town's being mentioned favorably in a Steely Dan demo. But there's more, the lyrics go on to say "Never knew she dubbed the heavy stuff, Steely Dan, play it rough, Becker man." But what about Fagen? Oh, well, guess he wasn't rough enough.

Anyway, I didn't much appreciate this collection of demos when I first bought it, but I have found that as I learn more about SD, I find more to like among the demos. Much of it is poorly recorded crap, but the simpler pieces with just Fagen singing and playing the piano tend to have higher recording standards and are quite pleasant to listen to - they are quite warm and intimate. Also, I think Becker is singing backup on some of them, and it is quite revelatory to hear the two of them singing to Fagen's piano accompiament; it's tremendously different from their later sound, but it does sound warm and heartfelt, and sort of takes one to the soul of their music. I find Caves of Altamira to be especially enjoyable; it includes the second verse that didn't make it to the final version and sounds especially immediate and authentic. Also, it has the original version of the chorus, "'twas before the fall," oh my, how literary, I just love it.

Big Fan - I thought about it for a while, and then I went ahead and sent in my order for the Manassas concert CD. If I buy both this and the St. Louis recordings, then I'll have recordings of both tours. But should I now buy Alive in America? I don't want to be denying Fagen and Becker the royalties due them for their live recordings, so I guess I'm kind of duty-bound to buy Alive in America now.

Michael - I'm sorry; I have been concerned about you but I didn't send you an e-mail message because I'm new to the list and I was afraid that I might be intruding on your privacy. But I'm relieved to learn that you're doing better. Yes, I did see the Manassas recording on Tunnel Records website and that's where I ordered it from; maybe it's a new item for them.

ES: uuuhhhh, I think that's "hot licks," although some hot licks from hot lips are appropriate for a Friday night.

Altamira: Thanks. I've been more consumed with work matters lately...will emerge from lurking like a wormhole occasionally.

Let's play (again) "What's On Your CD Changer?" I'll start off things:
1) Katy Lied
2) Pretzel Logic
3) Forever More - James Ingram. Original hits, remade big sellers, and new songs. I bought it mostly for Yah Mo Be There, the duet with Micahel McDonald and Come to Me with Patti Austin. James Ingram's voice has changed considerably over the years. He's able to modulate his voical tone more effectvely than when he appeared on "The Dude" the Quincy Jones album with Just Once and One Hundred Ways. He has lost some of the purity and effortless power he had and the ability to change his volume instantaneously and effectively. He now has more of a smokey quality like a smooth Teddy Pendergrass. Still YMBT from 1984 showcases the 2 best male pop vocalists of their time.
4) Birth of the Cool - Miles Davis - Where it all started. Gil Evans, Max Roach, Gerry Mulligan, etc...nuff said
5) Ben Folds Five - Ben Folds Five. Burt Bacharach as a wisecracking gen x imp

jk: what a dynamite collection of songs,when was it released? and where did you get it?

` It has been said that Larry Carlton`s solo on Kid Charlamane {spelling?} is the alltime best!!. I allmost agree, crusing at a friends place last night, we pulled out an old record {yes record!!} that weve almost worn out. Second Winter! by Johny Winter, the first track Memory Pain!!.........UNREAL!!, and while listening to this great album, respect the 1969 recording! The guitar sound is the best!! Gibson Flying V plus Marshal " great sound. WILL SOMEBODY AGREE??!! ...........BY!!

Michael: Sorry about all that extensive damage to the Sooner State. I'll baffle the big bike's pipes next time I blow through Norman.

Katy: Same day as my two step sisters, Elizabeth Hurley and Elisabeth Shue. (Mom's been married 3 times.)

The Rascall's Greatest Hits,

SEMB

Hello DanFanDom!!

Keep on listening to the remasters with my earphones, which are an improvement, although subtle, over the Citizen ones.

However, "Throw Back The Little Ones" always caused me to laugh and smile.

"Paint my face (all those 'dayglo' freaks)---hot lips and rhetoric, don't count much for nuthin'. . ."

"Use Tact Poise and Reason, and gently squeeze them. . ."

Oleander, are those female breasts that are referred to in this song?

Smile, and know that El Supremo and MP "might be" one-in-the-same, GangLandDan'ers!

JustKaty, wife-for-life---book the trip, darling!

Saludos and Cheers!

ES

Good to hear that Jive Miguel's in from Bogota again. Had to introduce myself and mention the dreaded word - "covers". I have recently heard a very good album covering various Dan tunes. Didn't buy it...yet. When I do, I'll post the details.

My restaurant is open to all of you good people.

Mr Chow.

Hi gang. I will be performing (privately) with the big version of my band Rockola in Millwaukie (sp?) on July 23rd, and would LOVE to book THE STEELY DAMNED into CHICAGO, or Millwaukie, or any other close by city you could suggest (no more than 2 hrs. from Millwaukie please)

UNFORTUNATELY, I have to find a place to do it soon so's I can book airfare and such. If you are familiar with any of these cities and can point me twards an appropriate club (ie: place Dan Fans in general would go to, big enough stage and PA to accomodate a 14 piece Band that plays nothing but Becker and Fagen tunes for 3+ hours etc.) I would be forever in your debt. (or at least could like get you in free and stuff.)

Did I forget anything??? Oh yeah the dates in question are Sat July 24, and Sunday, July 25. Pleasr email me anything you got directly. THANX

Lovebob

Hmmmm....that reminds me of my very favorite female vocalist, which is Basia. Anyone out there know or like her? I've woefully neglected her while I've been catching up on all the Dan music I had missed, but I do love listening to her so much. She's got such a wonderfully clear voice and an astounding range. Some of the favorite songs that come to mind are Brave New Hope, Cruising for Bruising (long version), Come to Heaven, and Simple Pleasures.Her name is actually Basia Pretztrelski (spelling) and she's from Poland.

O Michael: You sound great! Regarding that cruise, the only way we can pull that off, sweetheart, is if you really are El Supremo. Come here and let me check to see if that's the case! I have to know!

Was wondering about the chat room this evening. Does anyone ever go in on a Friday night? How about if some of us who are available do that at around 9:00 - 9:30 EST. It would be fun to talk to some of you there for a change. Perhaps some who've been maybe lurking and not posting will join us. LIke Dangerman, the two Lesters (Original and the Nightfly) and some others!

I'll be holding the door open to the chat, then, around that time, looking for friends. I'll even bring something for Happy Hour! Please show up, someone!

El Supremo: ILYM!

Just Katy :)

Just Going to the Pool

Riverport or riverside. I got one that says riverside.

Well anyway, I found a real groovy one at a tag sale "My Korean Colleen" -Rarities from Becker & Fagen € live - Studio - Demos

Features: Fall of 92 - studio

Shanghai confidential

Centurys end

Brooklyn - w/ df on voc.

Jack of Speed

Wet side story

Big noise ny

confide in me

a new standard by which to measure infamy (fagen/burroughs)

Snowbound (bass drums vocals)

Home at last - outtake from NYRSR

Blues in c

All too mobile home

I already had most of these but its good to hear them all on one cd. Great sound - pick it up if you see it.

nov 22 - day jfk got it.

I almost forgot...I really want to get a copy of the Record plant '74. Hell, I want anything from '74! Can anyone turn me on to where I may get my hands on this?

BigFan- Thanks for the e-mail - it is greatly appreciated. I have been trying to get my hands on some live SD for quite some time and it's great to see someone take the time to point me in the right direction. I have the StLouis concert on cassette but it sounds like it is an 18th generation tape, really loud hiss. Thanks for pointing me toward kissthestone.com, it has a lot of good stuff. Are they pretty efficient? I was a little concerned being as how they are located in Singapore and only accept cash.
Do you know of any other good bootleg CD sites?

Also, does anyone have or know where I can get a copy of the '96 Hollywood Bowl show?

FEAR THE TURTLE!

Geena: Riverport is in St. Louis, MO. That concert is from 1993, the Manassas one is from the 1996 tour.

An excellent disography for bootleg SD concerts with ratings and dates can be found at:
http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_unofficials.htm

Someone is selling a Manassas CD on ebay

You can get the Riverport CD direct from the manufacture at www.kissthestone.com

I've always liked the 1993 concert arrangements and players much better than the 1996 ones. Riverport is the best quality CD (it is a DDD bootleg) and yes Manassas is the probably the second best - but the video of that concert is really the cat's meow.

Jive: Did you get my email?

GK John: Last year Pete's produced a very good spring or May bock beer. It had a picture of a bunch of goats playing cards on the lable. It was spectacular. Too bad they didn't produce it this year. their lager is also pretty good.

Howdy, DanFanGangLand!!!

Appreciate all of your emails, and "get-well" wishes, and I am recovering nicely.

Manassas is good, and I have a copy---regretfully, it has a distinctive "hum" in it, especially noticed when there is no audio---but well worth the listen and to have in your collection.

Anyone interested in a trade for something you have, would be happy to make you a copy.

Riverport is close to St. Louis.

Schwinn---Oklahoma City, Moore, and Bridge Creek look really bad.

RubyBaby---thanks for the email.

Q---haven't heard from you in awhile

Oleander---thanks for the email and the offer still stands for the person guessing closer to the release of the "New One". I will change my guess to October 29 (former 'Black Friday' date) if noone has picked it yet.

KatyDan---have information about the cruise to Barbados, Aruba, Curacao, and St. Martin (Sint Maarten), kiddo----just leave El Supremo behind, as there is only a suite with a king sized bed left.

Original Lester---still working on it.

Altamira---yes, Manassas is good---haven't seen it on TunnelRecords, though.

Smile and have a happy!

Saludos!

Michael
; )

Geena: I will email you regarding that tape!

Alt: Your mention of the Nissan Pavillion brought back memories for me-----last July I took my daughter to Manassas to see (who else) Hanson! She convinced me it would be her only chance to see them. As it turned out she later saw them twice in PA, less than 50 miles west of us and the same distance east of us, and she had a backstage pass for one of those concerts! I'd like to take back that rush hour drive around Baltimore and near Washington, however, it was neat to see where the Nissan Pavillion is, that way when (don't want to say "if") the Dan perform there again, I'll be prepared to find it easily. Actually, it's pretty easy to get in and out of the area where the pavillion is located; I was surprised.

Btw, Alt, you do a fine job of digging up interesting info related to the Dan; keep it up!

Schwinn: * Happy Belated Birthday,* which was your day? (Please don't make me scroll back!)

O Michael: You're missed!

Haven't seen posts from people like Bobtedde, PeteFogel or even Kinky, either, for a while. The place isn't the same, guys!

El Supremo: I can't wait until you get home, as you know! ILYM!

Just Katy :)

Just Not Sleeping

Geena - I'm glad that you have found the list members to be supportive. This does seem to be a pretty good group of people.

The Riverport Ampitheatre is not in Manassas; the concert venue there (or near there; it's really in Haymarket) is the Nissan Pavillion at Stone Ridge.

My twelve-year-old cat's former human companion (who treated her horribly, the poor dear) played the flute in the National Symphony Orchestra - his moment in the spotlight came every year when he played the piccolo solo in Sousa's Stars and Stripes Forever at the televised concert on the Fourth of July. He went on to play for the Cleveland Symphony Orchestra, but he chose to give up playing for the best orchestra so he could play first chair for Pittsburgh. My, what an ego. Anyway, I visited his apartment once and he had acoustical tiles all over the ceiling and walls so his practicing wouldn't bother the neighbors.

Frequin' Puerto Rican - A while back I came across a website that listed all the albums an artist had worked on, as well as that person's own albums. When I searched for Donald Fagen, it also turned up the Burroughs spoken-word album. It sounded quite fascinating, although the cut that involved Fagen was not one of the ones with a sound sample. Also, I found, and ordered, an album by Jennifer Warnes with a song that Fagen collaborated on and sings backup on, although not on the snippet I could listen to. The song (I can't remember the name; something about New York) sounds very much like an SD song, and Warnes sings, on this track, in a style similar to Fagen, particularly as he sings on Kamakiriad. It's almost like hearing what SD would sound like if Fagen were female! Also, not only did Barbra Streisand record a Becker-Fagen song, but Fagen also played keyboards on that song on the album where it appears. When I've exhausted every other source of Fagen material on the face of the earth, I might buy that album (nothing against Streisand, I'm just not that fond of her). (Also, I heard some snippets from Boz Scaggs' new roots-oriented CD and was quite impressed).

Fezo - Since I tend to be a perfectionist and am prone toward self-loathing, I can certainly see the connection - it's so hard to never be able to live up to your own standards!. But I too have read interviews in which Fagen seems pretty upbeat, so maybe he really is a lot happier than he appears. And he doesn't have to be independently wealthy to wait so long between recordings since he does have that recording studio - I visited its web site a while back (http:/mini-serve.com/riversound) and found it rather charming. Fagen apparently had a hand in designing it, since it is hosted by a company that assists in putting the site together but doesn't do all the work, according to their tag line. It has a rather whimsical text and a picture of Fagen looking quite down-to-earth in his plaid shirt and khaki pants. It gives the street address, so I'll have to take a picture of it next time I'm in New York.

Geena: Thank you for the well wishes. How did you know I was half Italian?

Oleander: Dittos and I hope the city you're visiting isn't gone. I heard the Pretenders have been banned from the airwaves in Ohio.

Brut & Charisma,

SEMB

Hey all! Thank you for all your support. You make me feel like I have some big brothers and sisters here that truly care....I hope I can return that kindness some day....don't make me get sappy now...

Question: Someone gave me a tape of SD that was recorded live at Riverport Amphitheatre, could someone tell me where this is? Is it the same as Manassas?

Schwinn: Happy Birthday you gorgeous hunk of maleness! Am stopping here before this i turn this place into a porno site...

Frequin Puerto Rican: Disk 3 of Citizen is also my favorite and I'm listening to it right now! Taco's and burritos? they have meat in them yes? unless they're chicken tacos or burritos, then yes i do like them. due to dietary restrictions, red meat is out of my life!

David in the Florida Room: no offense taken here, life is too short to get upset over these things. email on the way!

GKJohn: bacioni!

oleander: continent, incontinence, multiple personality disorder? you're too F&#*(^% funny!!!

Altamira: you are an extremely talented woman! I once had a tenant who lived above me that played the flute. She played it so much I almost wrapped it around her neck. However, I'm not a violent person so I politely asked her if she would restrict her practice to daylight hours. She complied and we lived happily ever after.

TheStranger: MWAHHHHHHHH!!!!

Damn, I stop posting for a second and you people start biting each other's heads off. Dave(in the Florida room):Thanks no offense taken, trust me most of us who own every SD album, (as well as the remasters) GENERALLY have a sense of humor. Ole: Thanks for the disclamer, There's a job in Washington with your name all over it! Please keep me posted as to the validity of my guess date. Gina: You speak it girl!! Tyrone: relax! Check out the Roots's official site okayplayer.com and enjoy.

Always lurking( and increase the love people ),
kamfire

Whats up gang? I havent been on here in quite awhile, but I was wondering whats the deal on the new one, I thought it was coming out by june 8? An info would be appriecated!

Just finished listening to green earings. Never noticed before, on the guitar solo at the very end of the song there's a little hint of edgar/johnnie winter (whoever did this tune?) "free ride" sound thing. What the hell kind of instrument makes that sound?

I think the Citizen CD was a good idea. The hell with changing cd's. Disk #3 is my favorite.

Another thing, on the citizen booklet, who is that kneeling down as the skunk shoots pool? Is that Denny? Do you think these guys are in a bar or playing pool in the studio?

Anybody buy this talking CD with w. burroughs? I think donald was on it.

Geena, do you like tacos and burittos?

Alice, no riding mower for you. Use the push one. now the trimmer...

ok... that's better.

back to your treats.. don't forget to brush.

Practicing good oral hygiene,

Uncle Fred.

UH-OH...Hope I didn't offend anyone with my Soul VS. Italian Food comment . My Wife saw it after I wrote it and said it sounded a little racial. I'm sorry ,I didn't mean it that way.I was referring to Someone saying Geena talks About things Italian too often(I don't think she does)
As for myself I think I'd better keep my Post's to a more Danlike or at least a musical nature.
D

GK Richard- I haven't the first clue as to where this the theater is and the name escapes me. It has something to do with skits about the occult. Very funny and entertaining from what I understand. Of course, I've never been to Oz to witness it myself, but then again, I have never met Napoleon but I plan to find the time.

My regards to the kangaroos.

Geena- Keep those cards and letters coming!

Alt: Self-loathing seems to be the stage personna at least. It might just be an act cause in some interviews I've read he seems rather personable and confident. On the otherhand, given the long release dates between projects he must be a perfectionist (or independently wealthy). The perfectionists I know well tend to skew toward self-loathing.

I'm not a psychiatrist but I play one on the guestbook

Oleander: Have a good time on the banks of the sunny Cuyahoga. While in Cleveland, be sure to visit the Steely Dan Wing of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. -- You get 'adverb of the week' for "lovelyly".

Q: Please continue posting those old Steely pictures despite whatever inflammatory remarks may arise. Love that Baxter picture; it would make an excellent poster for his senatorial campaign. "Send Old School representation to the Washington Zoo. Vote Skunk."

fezo: When you failed to buy that Fez shirt at the 96 concert, little did you know that you would some day become known as the fez to millions (okay dozens) of Steely Dan fans; an icon of soulful legal represntation to a lost generation... a spore of empathy in the winds of a cynical profession ... a

RS

Who wrote that lyric? Roy, Myra, and f# need not reply. Off to see it for myself tomorrow. Adios....

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SCHWINN!! At least it is where I am. I won't have to hope you have a great party, because even if you're alone the room will be full of convivial, quirky revelers with their eyes on the skies.

Joka--I knew you were a cuspy guy. Did your birth moment really get revised? Let's have the secret southpaw handshake!

Zeke--I listened to it a couple of times when I first got it, but just couldn't get into it. It took me two years to pull it out again & get sucked right in. You'll know when it's time.

Q--Ah, the dissipation of youth. No wonder Mr. Baxter has the politics he does--he had clearly had a lobotomy in that picture; in fact they lopped off the whole top of his head.

GKR--Lovelyly put. My hope too.

GKJ--I can't keep track of those either.

FanO--I hope you don't want to put that date in the Pool. Unfortunately, Kinky has laid claim to that entire year. I am hoping for a few exemptions, but am powerless unless he will budge.

The GB is an EOE: SIS does not discriminate on the basis of real or assumed race, ethnicity, gender, age, sexual orientation, creed, profession, haircut, continent, incontinence, multiple personality disorder, tone-deafness, posturing, flammability, quirks in musical tastes, number of orifices, vocabulary, or even knowledge of Steely Dan.

Geena_ what was that E-address? Please e-mail me with it.
Let's see Ham Hocks, Chicken Feet and Blackeyed peas or Chicken Parmigiana and Angel Hair pasta? Judge for yourselves...LOL

KatyDan Fan- Thank you Dear,nothing like being Welcome...actually My Audio recording card Died last week and work on my CD came to a screeching halt. Sent it back (lifetime warranty) got it back..died again ...upgraded to a new and better model...got it back up today. But it gave me a little too much free time recently. Between GB lurking and posting and The Gigs...I've been a busy boy. Hello to El Supremo

David

Fezo - So Fagen tends to be full of self-loathing? That's a shame, he has so much going for him, but a person's view of him/herself is not always consistent with reality. I've wondered why he always looks so glum.

Geena - I am now learning to play an Italian instrument (albeit in its American form), the mandolin. I inherited my father's antique Gibson A-style (the traditional pear-shaped mandolin) seven years ago and had always meant to learn to play it, and now I am finally doing so. Also, Italian is the only European cuisine I like - I generally prefer Asian food, but I sure do love Italian. (BTW, I am of Scottish-Welsh-Irish-English descent, and the last instrument I learned to play was the great Highland bagpipe since I wanted to learn to play something that tied in with my ethnic background, but it is an extremely difficult instrument to play and loud, too, not such a good thing for an apartment dweller to play.)

El Supremo - So you think that Manassas recording is worth buying? I visited the Tunnel Records website and downloaded the order form, which I have filled out, but I wanted to make sure that the CD is really worth spending that much money on before I order it, since I've been spending way too much on CDs lately and I need to be careful.

GK Rich - Good point about hoping the new SD work reflects "what they've both become" - Fagen and Becker have developed a great deal as musicians over the years (they were wonderful back in the old days too, but musicians, like all artists, need to change and explore some new territory or they get stale) and I am looking forward to hearing something exciting and new from them.

Before responding to posts like Tyrone's, check with the Newbie Police. There might be a warrant out for his arrest [impersonating an African American, attempted slam dunk of unsuspecting posters, unethical use of hands,attempted placement of head in anatomically impossible position, and impersonating a newbie; also see file entitled: Headaches Looking for Heads- a.k.a. many aliasses]

Tyrone: Happy birthday- did you get your wish?
(Just what are you trying to *pedal*?)
Rock yourself to sleep, again, our vertically challenged friend.
So, was it virtually nothing but net...
or nothing at all of virtue?
Play nice with the other children, Skimkins, before they figure you out and leave you alone. Try again, Tyrone, try one...
more time.

Folks: trust me. Tyrone gets this. He head fakes. He deals.
He wavers. He shakes and bakes. He shows a glimmer of hope for humanity, he faulters and reaches for a Big Black Cow.

Now get outta here.

Polygon*

tyrone,
you exaggerate. geena does not mention her heritage every time or even half the time. take it easy. would you say that to her in person? wouldn't be polite. so why insult her here? don't make me go upside your head.

Katy: You and I were posting at the same time!

Yes, I would like to listen to it, it sounds great! Where could I get it?

Tyrone: I was just responding to those who posted to me, it would have been rude of me if I didn't. I'm sorry if you have a problem with what I write, maybe I do go off a little too much on the subject and thank you for bringing it to my attention. I would be happy to talk with you about it offline (my email is posted below). You should be proud of your ethnicity as well, but it wasn't necessary to stereotype it.

Mitch: Thank you caro.

Tyrone: Hey, let my friend Geena share her Italian hertage if she likes----I enjoy her stories! And if you want to share more about dunking basketballs, or whatever else you do, go right ahead. We'll listen to you, too.

Geena: Actually the tape of that concert has both Manassas and St. Louis on it. It's also got a dynamite Hey Nineteen on it as well as Third World Man (wow, that guitar solo) I hadn't listened to it for a little while, so I'm getting reacquainted with it. It seems as time goes by I notice more and more of the intricacies of how Don and Walt put their music together. So awesome! (Something tells me you'd like to have this tape?)

El Supremo: Miss you! ILYM.

Thank you GBers for all the Dan-related posts which help me appreciate this duo even more,

Just Katy :)

Hi everyone!

I just tried to skim over some of what I missed while I was trapped in reality these last couple of months but gave up after 3 or 4 pages.
Have I missed anything? Is there any news regarding a new release or tour? The official site doesn't look to promising on that score but one can always hope!

M

Hello DanFanDom!

Interesting the talk about Manassas '96 which I agree with "Q" is a really good set.

Remembering the first debut Christopher Cross album which I think might have been produced by Michael Omartian---but has several of the SD set players on it.

If I recall, it took several Grammys that year with "Sailing", etc.----Mike McDonald, Victor Feldman, et. al are on it.

KatyDanFan----love you loads, HSRD

See you soon!

Cheers,

ES

Zeke: don't listen just play. Must be a zen thing. I tried it out as a SD album, figuring that it would be a solo-colaboration a bit like Karmakiriad... Nothing worked until the Good Queen tried it out and left it on repeat and it snuck under my skin. After so many years of the Dan and then a seeming evolution into Donald's work, I somehow expected 11tow to be more of the same without any of Walter's personality. I was so wrong, and yet deep down (down at the bottom?) it is more of the same, especially if you take in some of his production work (Rickie Lee Jones and Chinas Crisis f'rinstance). But for the terrible clunky drumming track, it is inescapably 'Steely'... just on the outer edge that's all.

I just hope that the new one achieves an assimilation of what they've both become in the intervening years and doesn't try to be a pastiche of their earlier work.

GK John: Where in Melbourne? - Carlton/Lygon Street? Might just check it out next time I'm down there.

Lew: re. the cricket... subtle, real subtle! Guess Phil won't be mentioning the soccer either, after last night.

Richard&kangaroos

Tyrone: Italians are very proud of their heritage, and like to share that with others.... You got a problem with that?

Ole: Happy B-Day, my Jazz Fest chariot side kick!
I hope all went well. Every now and then I think about that Pascal Manally's thing. That was f'd up. Howz Lisa and Sam?

Clas: what the hell is goin on dude? BTW, how was the Jazz Fest for you?

visited the Tower Records site. Snagged the Nightfly and NYR&SR for $8.99 each.

For some wierd reason I bought 11 Tracks O' Wack, and never opened it. It's the only Fagen/Becker CD I haven't played to death. I'm waiting for something, don't know what it is.

not sure where you were cause you chose to hide and post anonymously . . .

"Glamour Profession" was the intended reference

Fezo..."Time Out Of Mind" at Manassas?...NOT

Geena- I was wondering why EVERY post you make you have to mention something about being Italian?

I'm an African American myself, which doesn't mean everytime I dunk a basketball I got to come on here and tell everybody about it.

What is this Manassas album everyone is talking about and where can I get it?

GK John: Well we do have something in common! I think there is large Italian community in Melbourne. I have only met my cousins a few times, they usually take their summer vacations during our winter and come up for a visit. My saving grace was when I was in Italy several years ago and met my cousin Lucia who was also visiting from Australia. I was going crazy not being able to speak to anyone in english, until my crazy Australian cousin showed up. She spoke Italian with an Australian accent while I tried to get rid of my old world dialect. Yes, we caused trouble everywhere and drove everyone in that little Abruzzi village crazy!

David: Awww...you're making me blush! Boston Italians are very much like New York Italians except we're better! It was like a steam bath here for two days, temps in the high 90's with high humidity, and today it's in the mid 50's! Just crazy New England weather that's all!

And where is Clas?

I was at the Manassas show in 1996 and actually didn't think it was that great except for a killer version of "Time Out of Mind" and the surprise of hearing "Movies" performed live. DF seemed full of more self-loathing than usual and there were too many drum solos. The highlight of the evening might have been the most amazing continuous display of projectile vomiting I've ever seen in my life. Some guy just leaned over the rail going up to the lawn section and let it fly . . . and fly . . . and fly. It was Pythonesque.

Still wish I had gotten one of the fez shirts though.

Jive Miguel: I used Tunnel Records to get the Manassas 7/20/96 show. Don't expect overnight delivery. Still, sound quality and performances make it worth the wait.

ole: You're welcome! (Um, 7/19)

JM: Get Manassas, definitely. Just this morning I was listening to it and somehow for the first time noticed how crazy they went in Green Earrings---- first the keyboard, then the sax and finally the guitar (Wayne Krantz) just...go wild! It's great and the crowd went wild, too, after hearing a very climactic ending!

David: Nice to see you posting so much!

Altamira: I find your thoughts interesting re: Don and Walt and their composing.

El Supremo and O Michael: Where are you guys lately?? Hope it's ok to say I love you both! *smiles*

And Clas, you're hiding too, I see!

Just Katy :)

Geena- You have family in Melbourne? Well, son-of-a-gun! So do I.
An uncle of my father moved his family there in the late 50's and started a little Sicilian enclave. I've met a few of them when they've been stateside. What a pisser! Old world Sicilian dialect with an Australian accent! You should hear it! Very successful they are too! They own and run a popular dinner theater over there.

Ryan- Marv is free.

Big Fan- All this talk about beer makes me thirsty! LOVE Pete's Winter Brew, but my heart still belongs to Molson Golden Ale.

Ole- Happy belated! Are you counting birthdays or celebrating anniversaries of your 30th?

Herm- Couldn't agree with you more... Live well, eat right, stay healthy and die anyway. This point was brought home to me three years ago after my brother-in-law died. Never smoked, rarely drank, exercised 4 times a week and died at 42.

On that note: RIP Mel Torme... I would imagine Judge Stone is very depressed!

Q- Thanks for the Dan Pics! I know you must have the live shot of Fagen and Becker...Don's playing the Melodica and Walt is playing Guitar . It's a 90's Pic...I got it from a Guy in Japan who has a Dan Site. Traded him some of my Dan Midi files.
If you don't have it let me know, I'll send it up to you.

Oleander - Thanks for the reply...was starting to get nervous.

Geena- yes I'm half Italian...I look it too...Mom's looks and Dad's Irish name. But you are Boston Italian...very special! Wow, did you guys have the warm temps this week!

David

Chicago metro Dan fans need to unite in social, cultural settings. Please begin with e-mails!

11TOW is quite interesting and pleasurable if not exceptional.
It flies high above (Surf and/or Die) anything else going on.
Most regular folks (like my wife) have always found Don's vocals a sticking point. Hence, Walter vocals could kill any vestige of past SD.I like Don singing Walt's words. And Walt playing over Don's chords. Re: last solo effort(s);I miss the obsession you hear on SD and Nightfly projects, (those are divine in the truest sense).

Further dissection begs: Considering AJA highest in the Custerdome, how does one rate the individual songs? I keep going back to I Got the News, then Home at Last throws me off.

I submitted under STEFONZI back in FEB. with open sores over political issues. Apologies are in order if I provoked and/or offended. I love all of you who know, feel, and understand the Dan.

Among us in spirit Mel Torme, RIP.

Saturday I beat the heat and walked thru Printer's Row Book Fair. Amongst many tents and booths, a small crate with a Zappa title caught my eye. Amongst the music books, I made a small coincidental note of "It Wasn't All Velvet" Mel's autobiography, only to hear of his passing the next day.

Lew Chang - I appreciate your post. I suspect that 11TOW was Becker's opportunity to do his own thing, as the Nightfly was for Fagen - Kamakiriad definitely seems to be a turning back toward the SD sound. I have long been pondering the amazing synergy between Fagen and Becker, and it seems that the two of them on their own are something quite other than the sum of the parts that make up a Steely Dan work. Fagen does seem to know how to come up with something lovely and pleasant to listen to, but Becker has that wild creative spark that, on its own, may be a bit challenging to the listener. But I don't think it would be accurate to say that Fagen is largely, or was largely, responsible for the SD sound, much as I like him (and you know what a major Fagen fan I am; I'm now on a quest to acquire every recording he's ever worked on). I think that both of them work in a certain style when they're making an SD recording, and in another style when they're doing a solo work. Fagen's solo style happens to be more similar to the SD sound, but it's still somewhat different. I listen to Fagen's solo work every day; I listen to Steely Dan when I feel like it, which tends to be a few times a week. I do greatly appreciate Becker's guitar and bass playing on Kamakiriad, a work I enjoy more every time I listen to it, and Becker's playing is a feature of that CD that I find especially intriguing, particularly on repeated listenings. However, I've noticed that his playing on 11TOW sounds completely different.

I suspect that the musical marvel that is Steely Dan is ultimately the combination of these two amazing musicians' contributions. Fagen is marvelous on his own, but his writing, arranging, and playing are different when Becker is working with him. Becker goes off on these marvelous flights of fancy when he's on his own, but I'm sure that when he settles into the groove of Steely Dan, his work is quite different. Much as I like Fagen, I find that the wonderful music that arises from their combined work is a bit richer and more exciting.

Gosh, Mr. Bendlix, that's an awful lot of candles!
Oh, I know! We'll just use the one Marsha made for Greg last year. Slimmy!

Careful where you blow.

Easy on the icing,

Alice

Altamira!, Nicely worded!. Maby I was a harsh on Walter, as I realise he plays a very important part in this duo!. But I hope the new CD leans towards Fagens incredible feel ,sound, voice ect,ect,ect.The man ia a genius!.............Hey Phil!! are you there your very quite about the Cricket!!!!!? BY..........

That moustached handsome devil is the Skunk man himself - obviously groovin' out over ther by himself.

Dr. Mu - Good to see you posting again; I had missed you.

Q - Thanks for the URLs for the photographs. I have added them to my collection. They are definitely valuable contributions.

JM: Skunk

Q- Thanks for the tip...Those are some sick ass pictures. Who is the guitar player on the far right with the mustache on the boys.JPG? He is really into it!

Yo Jive Miguel ! As I learned the hard way publicly on the board, before giving it a proper listen - The " '76 Tour Rehearsals " are a "fraud" - they are a Connecticut cover band(however I will say it's listenable to some degree). If it includes the Boston Orpheum show, which is a good early show -then maybe it's "worth it"

The Manassas is phenomenal as it is true soundboard.

Now for my all Guestbook amigos my only contributions of any value,which time allows, are these artifacts of the Dan.......

http://home.tampabay.rr.com/danman1/theboys.JPG

a great early live shot ! - took me 10 years to get my hands on this early Japanese disc.

http://home.tampabay.rr.com/danman1/relax.JPG

a shot that has been published elsewhere I believe but still a good one of our boys looking very very "Dancool"

PS If everyone hates this exercise I engage in from time to time on the board, then blast me and I'll stop..... we all have our ways of paying homage to our heroes - collecting this stuff just happens to be mine and I think some of it is just a lot of fun to check out. Not soliciting a lot of feedback here but I don't want to waste your time or mine - just a couple poignant flames will do - silence will be considered tacit approval !

Q

Fan of Dan - Regarding 11TOW, I have listened to parts of it and it is rather impressive in its own unusual way. Becker seems to be doing something quite different from what he did, and I assume is still doing, with SD, but it is wonderfully original and clever and quite interesting musically. I will buy it when I have some more money (I've spent too much on CDs recently, but I don't think I'll listen to it every day as I do with Fagen's solo work. But when I want to hear something completely different, that will be the CD I listen to. Regarding Becker's singing, although his diction is a little sloppy, his voice is good. He sounds like a number of other jazz/popular baritones; his voice isn't as distinctive as Fagen's, but he sounds perfectly adequate; I enjoy hearing him sing.

Brand new to the Seattle area. The rumors are true, 103.7 KMTT is extremely Dan friendly. Any other Seattlites out there?

StAl- Thanks for the tunnelrecords.com recommendation. I went to the site and they have great stuff. I was thinking about getting the Manassas Va 7/21/96 CDs and maybe the '76 Tour Rehearsal/Gaucho-Katy Lied outakes. Does anybody have these? Do they kick ass? How is the sound quality.

Also, StAl- you have ordered from this company before, yes? How long does it take? I have only done e-commerce once and I want to make sure they are reliable before I let them charge $100+ to my credit card. Thanks for the info!

Minah- do you go see the Damned often? Let me know next time you are going - we'll have a drink with Peg.

Peg - Hello! I didn't know you all did Any Major Dude, I think I have heard almost all the songs you cover but I had never heard that one. I'll have to request that one next time I'm there.

Have a great day all!!

Jive Miguel

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REGISTERED BIRTH DATE: 5/22, 12:07AM CDT
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Lew Chang
I have to agree with you that 11 TOW is far from what was expected from WB.I to have been a fanodan for 20 odd years myself and after listening to Donald Fagens solo offerings was also bitterly dissapointed with Beckers efforts,and it amazed me that Fagen backed up WBs vocal abilitities in latter interveiws.

As for my prediction on the new album release date:-2/18/2000

There must be something to all these Geminis on the GB. For instance, here are some other frequent posters who have b-days coming soon:

Dan Fouts: 6/10
Schwinn: 6/10
Joe Montana: 6/11
Michael J. Fox: 6/9
Return to Brenda: 6/10
Barbara Bush: 6/8
Prince William: 6/10
George Bush: 6/12
Bigger Daddy: 6/10
Whitley Strieber: 6/13
Barry Manilow: 6/19
Paul McCartney: 6/17
Anne Wilson: 6/20
Kathleen Turner: 6/21

It's positively wacky!

Candleabra,

Slimmy

Ole: Well of course if we're going to get into soliciting cakes, presents and underserved guestbook accolades (unlike your sweet deserving self), you might be just in time to pack your left over streamers, chips, tequila, balloons, cupcakes, spotted dick, etc into a carton and into the post in time for my birthday next Monday, which oddly enough IS a public holiday here... the Queen's Birthday Holiday'(too perverse to explain).

Didn't we do this whole star sign/left or right hand thing last year and discover that nearly all danfans are geminis and/or left-handed?(!)

As for the comp., my paltry DMB single CD offering to the pool will be in the post to you any day now. Just as soon as I sort out my desk and move on to my new job.

Anyway, shouldn't you be sleeping off a well-deserved hangover by now?

Richard&kangaroos

Ole: You are right......of course we will all enjoy getting birthday wishes in here now. I suppose it's a little early for me, I'm October 22, however, we celebrated my son's birthday just yesterday, which, if I'm paying attention, puts him right on your day, June 7th! So you do have a fellow Gemini very nearby! Now, what time were you actually born? He was 7:02 AM (I remember very well----*grin*.)

I'm not certain, but I do think it might be way hotter in the north these days than down south? I went by a digital thermometer reading outside today and it said 105. I mean, in PA this time of year??

Just Katy :)

For God's sake, doesn't anyone else have any birthdays around here? Come on, all you other Geminis, step up to the plate. Te1e has. Actually, this is great. I love birthdays no matter how many I've accumulated.

The recent spate of dates has been entered. Big Daddy, I blushingly accept your chivalrous offer. NOW WHAT ARE YOU GUYS PUTTING UP? Let's make this a choice pot.

You can see the dates at http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/thepool.htm

RB--we used to sing the very same tune.

SteveH--That's really good.

Ole: Happy birthday young Gemini! Judging from all the entries below they should've changed this Monday to Memorial Day.

Ludwig: That a guess for the competition, inside knowledge that D&W have just beaten the millennium (the last release date this year?) or an advance order for Santa?

Geena: Tell everybody Melbourne ain't so bad... spent a very pleasant two days there last week, but for Sydney's coast and spectacular harbour setting, Melbourne has at least as much going for it... and getting better by the day.

Phil W.: As one fortunate enough to have made the move from UK to Oz, you actually swapped Sydney for Torquay, the 'English Riviera'?!! I spent a couple of years there one week... However, living here in my glass house between Melbourne and Sydney, I shouldn't throw too many stones.

As for the Velvet Fog, RIP Mel. Still, I can't get that image of him doing a duet with Kramer out of my mind. I wonder who will come to replace all these dear departed blues and jazz greats.

'spotted dick'&kangaroos

A great big goodbye to Mel Torme'!

His versions of 'Walk Between the Raindrops' and 'the Goodbye Look' were classy!...as was he.....it would have been nice if he had gotten a chance to collaborate with Woody Herman.....

here are some othe 'Dan tracks that are worth searching for:

Black Cow-Ahmad Jamal
Josie-Larry Calrton
Do It Again (live)-Eumir Deodato w/Airto
Time Out of Mind-Grover Washington Jr.
Black Friday medley-Dave Garfield
Green Earrings-Woody Herman

.....Torme had style and class, much like our dynamic duo, and he was an awfully nice guy.......RIP velvet frog!

Hi from Down Under! Hey!! Whats this about Walter being the strawberry in Donalds plain vanilla.?? Can anybody honestly tell me that 11 Tracks Of Crap, ..er sorry Whack, has that unique Steely Dan feel,-----NO. I`ve been a Dan fan for 25 years now and to say the least I was dissapointed. Don is the ONE and always will be!! ...........BY!!!! Hey Phil! What happened to you guys! you were going to rip us apart.?? Oh well next time it`s only another 4 years to wait......HA,HA..........BY!!!!

I just happened to catch the last couple of posts, and wanted to throw my hat into the ring with this betting thing too.

I am going to rely on years of experience in retail management to pick the opportune release date of: November 26, 1999. It's the day after Thanksgiving, the official start of the X-mas shopping season, and what we in the retail world refer to as,"Black Friday." I'm sure you've heard the expression used before. Wouldn't it be a funny little pun if Dan chose this for their release date?

My fingers are crossed!

t o-: )

RS: I appreciate all of the wonderful input that you put into your,"Wedding Singer," reply, however, I am afraid that I have never learned to play guitar, or any instrument for that matter. But I have studied music in my extensive voice lessons, so the advice is appreciated. See, mom and dad were frustrated actors, so when me and my brother were born, we immediatly got enrolled in voice, acting, and dance lessons. I am not bitter about this, since I enjoy them all, but learning an instrument just never really fit into the time frame we had to work with. I am going to be accompanied by one of my old vocal instructors. As far as my value of singing goes, that is not a problem, due to all of the training I've had ever since I was little. I've been compared to everyone from Tori Amos, to Celene Dion. I guess it just depends.

And to everyone else who was kind enough to offer me their suggestions, thank-you very much. I have written them all down, and will be sampling them the next time I go on down to my local sound garden. I will have to let you know what I thought later.

Well, whatever I do decide to wear, I promise you that I will not have an antenae sticking out of the middle of my head, with a tv screen on my tummy. At least, I don't think I will.

Happy belated birthday Oleander! It is nice to meet a fellow gemini. Mine is coming up on the 15th. Long live the twins!

Well, the sun has long since set in the sky, so this te1etubbie must say...

Bye-Bye!

t 0-: )

release date: 12/16/99

I'm wondering how to place my bet for the release date?
I'd like to pick Nov.9th...(my Wife Dale's Birthday)
David

Rona: no

Greta's flunkie: It's amazing what type of hobbies one picks up hangin' with the taxidermist's daughter

Ole: Happy belated birthday!!!

Oleander: Birthday Schmirthday. I'm still five centi-centuries ahead of you. Hope you had a good one. You may grow outside our door any time; I hear it from a reliable source that oleanders indeed do not bloom in Annandale, New York, but I'm sure they can acclimate to Virginia.

Approximate quote from Skunk Baxter on the VH-1 History of rock and roll documentary: "During a Steely Dan recording session, it would take me three weeks to find a comfortable chair at $100 an hour."

RS

Myra: I don't know of any extended hotels around Boston, I'm sure there are some but I'm going to make a sure bet that they're expensive as most hotels/motels in the city are. Boston has become a major tourist haven and the city looks for it's revenue there. I'll check into it and get back to you. Another idea would be what most every out of town student in Boston does and that is to find someone looking for a roomate. A lot of students from Boston University and surrounding colleges usually live in the Brighton or Allston area. From these locations, it's also easier to get to school by streetcar. If you wanna talk more, email me: katylied@hotmail.com

Oleander: Buon Compleano!

you remind me so much of Nurse Ratchet.

Oleander: As they used to sing to us back at my old school (sung to the tune of a funeral dirge) -

"Happy Birthday, UH! Happy Birthday, UH! Grief, Misery & Dispair. People Dying Everywhere! Happy Birthday, UH!"

Hope you had a good one!

rb

This collection of musicians rarely receive the gratitude that they are due. Their music is classic, in the tradition of the Beatles. Maybe someday they will receive their collective reward. Here's to you - Thanks.!

"Babylon Sisters"...sounds to me like The Donald is singing about a couple of West Coast "sisters": San Francisco and Los Angeles - both are unarguably Babylonian in their decadence; both are notorious for "shaking" it (earthquakes). "Drive west down Sunset to the sea"...LA's Sunset does go East/West, but SF's almost equally well-known boulevard does not - it goes North/South. Then you've also got Santa Ana winds, jogging with show folk on the sand, etc. Meanwhile, farther North..."San Francisco show and tell"...this brings the other sister into the mix, as does "Distant lights from across the bay," a vista which, while technically possible I guess, doesn't exactly invoke anything LA-related to leap to mind. "Love's not a game for three"...translation, Mr. Spock: Take your pick...LA or San Fran. But you can't split your allegience. To love one is to shun the other. Friends of the narrator, favoring one (SF, I would guess) over the other, caution him not to "go for that cotton candy." "So fine, so young": SF and LA both are fine in the seductive sense, and certainly the youngest of all major world cities. "Tell me I'm the only one," sung by two equally beckoning female sirens, each competing for the narrator's attentions. Granted, certain lyrics in this song do not lend themselves so easily to such an interpretation, unless you include a wider multiplicity of viewpoints (each of which having its own unique motivation and agenda), and try to reverse engineer a specific phrase to fit this slant. I'm writing this at work w/o the lyrics in front of me, so I may be forgetting something. Anyway, I thought this might be an interesting take, so decided to throw my fez into the ring. I should probably not assume that this has not occurred to someone before - and, in fact, do not - but I have not seen it yet in an entire workday's worth of perusing these SD song lyric interp sites (which are quite interesting and usually contain some very well-thought-out arguments; of great interest to any baffled fan of the Dan's topical mystique). Would be interested to hear anyone else's thoughts. CHOMPING AT THE BIT FOR 2 AGAINST NATURE

Ole: Happy belated B-day, girlfriend! I hope your family really spoiled you rotten and fulfilled all of your wishes.

Geena: We are applying for the summer music program at Berklee for our 16 year old son, but I understand that housing is limited. Does Boston have "extended stay" motels or something similar that one very poor person could afford?

Myra

Ole: Happy Birthday. You're a raw flame, the live wire

Oleander-Happy Birthday!...hope you don't think I'm some kind of stalker...I have lot's of heros. You never know where creative inspiration comes from.

Liberal person- Don't leave...we need the variety of opinions to keep this GB alive.Gil Scott Heron? The "Revolution will not be Televised " guy? haven't heard his name in a long time.And I bet you're a great player!

David

Oleander--For your birthday I will allow you to choose my release date of 11/22/99 for the new one.

Damn the Polyps,

BD

Oleander - A happy, somewhat belated birthday to you - I should have written sooner but I hope I'm not too late. I greatly appreciate your contributions to the list and I have been delighted by your website.

Regarding YGTWILYTI - I own it primarily because the collector in me wants to own every note DF ever recorded, not because I especially want to listen to it (alhtough I'm sure I would enjoy it if I could). One of these days I might want it on CD, or, more likely, I would buy a turntable so I could listen to my other vinyl disks as well. Also, one of these days I need to buy a VCR so I can watch this growing pile of tapes, which is soon to include the one Fagen did on piano technique, which involves a lot of music theory. I just keep aquiring stuff I can't use, but then, I just like having it. I suppose I'm the classic nutty collector, I guess. But thanks for the info.

George--Rumors of my birthday have been greatly exaggerated. Well, by one day anyway. But you're gracious for the thought; may I rub a little Coppertone on that spot you can't reach? Thanx to you other well-wishers.

liberal--waitasecond! You can't go yet! I'm a big fan of Gil Scott-Heron, Brian Jackson, et al. Let's talk 1980, Johannesburg, and more.... I still have all that vinyl. And I want to hear what you have to say about sports figures, from the ridiculous (WWF) to the sublime.

backroom--I love it! J. Alfred Prufrock with that Kama beat.

Alta--YGWILYT is on CD & is not too hard to find.

St. Al--glad you're back safe. You know, though, I don't think ice cream with fruit does them justice. It's more like the exploding mix of flavors & heat we had for dinner at Salsa, don't you think?

Herm--thanx. Maybe Mel Torme just had bad hypertension, which even clean livers can die from. He was adventurous--I remember he did a tune called "Zas Turned Blue" on Was/Not Was' first album, "Born To Laugh At Tornadoes."

My date for The New One is about to expire. Maybe I should pick a New One.

oleander: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, baby! Hope you had a great day, and I also hope that all of your birthday wishes come true!
I do agree with you, Jello Biafra is an interseting person. It's always refreshing to find someone who creates controversy based on their intellect, and not their idiocy.
I saw Mel Torme twice in my life: once, when I was a child and talked my parents into bringing me to see Rich Little perform at a dinner theater near us. Mel opened. Of course I had no idea at nine who he was, but I do remember enjoying him. Secong time was a couple of years ago as the headliner for a jazz greats concert that played at Ravinia outside of Chicago. It was a fun concert, but you couldn't really say it was pure jazz since it seemed to be scripted down to each eighth note. Mel did a scat version of Charlie Parker's solo "Billie's Bounce". That was really cool. Then, I believe, he had the stroke the following year. He never drank, never smoked, and watched what he ate for most of his life, so I guess one could say that clean living doesn't really guarantee you a longer lifespan. Orson Wells who was obese, drank and smoked cigars daily, outlived Mel by about 7 years. George Burns had 2 (I believe) martinis, and about 7 cigars a day, and lived to 99. I know genetics has a say in it also, but it's just kind of spooky when you compare lives and habits sometimes and see what workes and what doesn't. Makes you just want to say, "fuck it", and pour vodka on your Captain Crunch.
See ya Mel.
Happy Day oleander.

Later,

Herm

Mel Torme...A great Loss. Did you know he was a really fine Drummer too? I think of the "Velvet Fog" every Holiday Season when I sing that song.

D

Oh, no, Mel Torme died? I really liked him. And not only did he have great taste in cover material, he was also a composer. His best known song was The Christmas Song, better known as Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire, first sung by Nat King Cole.

RIP Mel Torme. You had impeccable taste in cover material.

Ruby- Does "Mock" also realize you were the one that started all those "Walter is back on drugs" rumors?

I think it was Mock Turtle who made the yogurt observation.

He doesn't say much, but when he does it counts!

rb

Ole: Happy B-Day.. and many more..
Enjoyed watching "Son Of The Return Of The Shithead Poster" as much as ever.. Which ain't much.
But there's no Shithead alive gonna stop the Guestbook Riders.. yeehaw..

It's Ole's birthday? Happy Birthday, you go girl, hope it's a great one!

Rona: Oh, please, you know I don't need the limelight. You can speculate about my love life but do your best to keep it out of People Magazine, k?

Most people in here know that I am fond of people in general, and of course very fond of certain people in particular. I will tell you the order of the men you mentioned would be El Supremo, O Michael, and Clas, I mean, a girl has to love Clas----he's on every girl's list, isn't he? (I could add more, but I don't want to seem greedy!)

El Supremo: Maybe you better make an appearance, sweetheart! ILYM!

Just Katy :)

Oleander: Happy Birthday! The GB wouldn't be what it is without you.

And Many More,

George

to david - i won't post anymore so don't feel you need to reply let bygones be bygones - i was going to talk about gil scott heron, quarterbacks, basketball coaches and the wwf but hey have a nice weekend and keep your flat hat and your axe - hear that bugle blow

Rona,

Good work my dear colleage! I have noticed the same and have you also observed that Mr. Packard states that he's from Texas while El Supremo's Mrs. claims she's from PA, and yet they are always apart?

I have also noticed that Clas is honing in on the alleged Mrs. Supremo like a buzzard on a piece of fly infested road kill. She seems to be taking the bait too. Stay tuned.

things that make you go hmmmmm

St AL - yeah, I wonder who it could have been that posted becker is the fruit and fagen is the vanilla. You must be the chocolate with all that brown stuff on your face from your relentless ass - kissing.

One would think since I have been observing the Guestbook that the style of writing and all leads me to believe that El Supremo and Michael Packard are one-in-the-same!!

Anyone else think so?

Rona

BigFan: Thanks for sharing that article address. Carly Simon and James Taylor have been favorites of mine, and it was neat to read about their daughter, Sally, who sounds like she has some class. I haven't heard any of her music, perhaps it's not out there yet, I'm going to check. Must be wonderful to have family with connections to Don and Walt. These are the times I believe we see who they really are----two nice guys helping out the daughter of a friend.

Clas: Oh, but I do know you exist! I confess----- I was playing *hard to get.* Please don't give up on me.

St.Al: I missed that post entirely regarding fruit and plain vanilla, but yes, I have the sense that it's Walter who is the colorful one. In the autographed photo I have, Donald appears to have that serious, deep look in his eyes, where Walter's eyes appear to twinkle with mischief and fun. Each one so captivating in his own way.

El Supremo: When we go visit my brother in Cambridge, England, let's see, how long would it take us to get to Clas' Palace? We could visit, couldn't we?? I love you, sweetheart!

Just Katy :)

Nice article in the Pittsburg-Post Gazette today about how Donald helped Carly Simon's daughter, Sally Taylor on a song

http://www.post-gazette.com:80/magazine/19990603taylor2.asp

St Al welcome back

Does anyone know if the SD mailing list is scheduled to get back up and running?

Hi guys! Altamira, I can put your fears at rest... Perfidious Albion is England, so called coz we cheat at everything; It may have been Napolean who so called us.

Woke up today with cider, a cracking headache and four unknown E'Mail addresses all from girls I spoke to yesterday; like sand through the hourglass, I am about to pour and die.

Shall remerge soon, ...

Whoa. Literally the first time I've been able to sit in front of this damn thing since coming back from vacation. Oleander, a celebrity in Asheville, was a most gracious host. Hoofing it around that lovely gem in the mountains I learned a couple things. One, there are more head shops per capita in Asheville than any where else in THE WORLD. Two, yes, papaya shavings are something you can ALSO eat. And three, that Grove dude had TOO much money. See for yourself...www.groveparkinn.com.

jOker, well, what can I say. Always a gas to hang with, he and his better half show us some of the finer (and NOT so finer) points of another NC burg. By the way, I forgot to ask you....How far is Mt. Pilot and Mayberry from you?

I've been on this companies mailist for the last 2 years. They're called Tunnel Records and they specialize in hard-to-find stuff. I've purchased a couple of SD release from them, including the YGTWILYTI soundtrack. Recently they've been e-mailing me directly with their stock of SD material. Currently, they have available some of the more difficult items and I'd HIGHLY recommend you chekc out their web site, or e-mail them directly for the latest listing. Let 'em know you got their name from this web site, that'll insure they keep funneling info at me.

http://www.tunnelrecords.com
Tunnelcd@aol.com

I can't remember at this time, but whoever made the statement that Becker was the fruit to Fagen's plain vanilla -- THAT, my friend, was the best post I've seen on here in ages...

StAl

Name: Schwinn
authentic.as.i.want.to.be

Date: Saturday, June 5, 1999 at 03:54:17
Comments:

fezo: It is a good thing. I wouldn't shit you.

Alta: How many songs have the Indigo Girls written about failed academia? Reincarnation? People with the same first names as people you know? It's downright uncanny!

Phil: Meet Altamira.

Writing Papers About Future Posts,

SEMB

Name: Schwinn*
player

Date: Saturday, June 5, 1999 at 03:03:04
Comments:

Back at you, Roy. How's Myra? God I've missed y'all! Did you know the first few episodes of Captain Kangaroo hinted ominously of a "Mr. Mean Jeans"? Thank Goodness Bob had the good sense to change the name to "Mr. Green Jeans" before he warped any young, impressionable minds.

Baby Drive South,

SEMB*

*seal of authenticity.

Name: backroom
babbler

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 23:48:52
Comments:

Thanks Oleander for the info. I come from the land down under.
Concerning literary references, how about sd setting some famous poems to music - they could call the cd "101". I'd love to hear Donalds voice sing 'Let us go then, you and I, when the evening is laid out against the sky like a patient etherized on a table' or 'Sailing to Byzantium' or even some Auden.
Did I hear right that Donald has lost his voice? Say it isn't so.

Name: David in the Florida Room
dmoore113@aol.com

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 23:11:12
Comments:

Hey Everyone- I feel like that "me" Person should have given a more Identifying name after making such a steaming heap of post here recently. And I sincerely hope I have not been misidentified
as that person. I feel as though I need no help telling my own tale...as enlightened or Ignorant as it may be.

Thanks Friends (you know who you are)
David J.Moore

Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC
Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 21:54:48
Comments:

Phil - You mentioned the perfidious Albion - I know someone named Albion who lived in England for several years and recently moved to my city - I hope it's not the same one!

Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 21:48:37
Comments:

Phil - I'm pleased to see that you are dealing well with the newbie police. They came after me and I had to bring out my virtual flyswatter and smack the little trolls back under their bridge, but you are handling them far better than I did. Your posts are most enjoyable and it's good to have you here.

Big Fan - Thanks for the info; now I know far more about bock beers. Those autumn bocks (the liquor stores around here usually sell them in October) may not be as strong as the May bocks, but they're pretty powerful - I once got such a horrible hangover from Optimator that I had to call in sick at work the next day, and since I'll go to work when I'm feeling pretty terrible and barely able to function, you know I was in bad shape that morning. I have approached bock beers with great caution ever since. I'll have to try a May bock sometime, although I'll be careful to not have too much of it.

Ruby Baby - Fagen was an English major; I don't know what Becker majored in, although he certainly has a way with words. I did get the reference to the Scarlet Letter since I wrote a paper on in it when I was in college (I found evdidence to back up my thesis statement on only one page of the book, but, believe me, I made the most of that one shred of evidence and I got a B on the paper - the professor conceded that my argument was well thought out even though I didn't have much to back it up - there must be a life lesson in there somewhere although I don't feel like hunting for it right now). But I wasn't aware of the Yeats reference, although apparently Fagen and Becker were. Speaing of literature and SD, I was looking at my soundtrack to You've Got to Walk It Like You Talk It tonight, which is all I can do since I don't have a turntable and that old thing is only availabe on vinyl, and I noticed that there's a song on it called War and Peace - hmm, that sounds pretty literary.

Name: oleander
not suffering fools very well at all

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 21:35:01
Comments:

Clas--Of course I thought of you every moment.

Zeke--GB roadie contest--great idea! I could be the one who bakes the cookies.

fezo--I BELIEVE! PS, would you be my history teacher? I have a lot to unlearn.

Herm--I think the DKs were around as early as '75-'76, since I used to see their stuff around when I lived in San Francisco in that era. In fact, Jello Biafra ran for mayor of San Francisco. A few years back, I saw an interview with him in "Thrasher" magazine which was actually very good.

t-tub--what does a teletubbie wear to get married in? Some friends of mine used "I Feel Good" as their processional.

Alta & Phil--"Spotted dick pudding" sounds like a symptom of a venereal disease.

me--The Stranger is too charitable. Your comments have to be some of the blindest, stupidest, and most racist, ahistorical, and willfully uninformed ever to have been farted from a body's northernmost asshole on this GB.

Name: Razor Boy
joebj@compmore.net

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 21:26:52
Comments:

Ruby - Yes, guitar solos are great, but it's debatable whether they would overide a great sax solo. The guitar can rev up one's energy, but can it melt a person like say, a Stan Getz piece accompanied by Astrid Gilberto singing in Portuguese or Enlgish, take the edge off a pain in the ass week at work, or help you connect with your lover? It's very much a mood issue, and while a guitarist can try to be all those things, and the instrument can be embraced and caressed, can it be consumed like the saxaphoist can literally do to with instrument? Sounds like the basis for some research - Any ideas?

Name: Phil Williams
phil@placebo.netlineuk.net
Location: torquay, England
Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 19:12:53
Comments:

Thanks Ruby for the follow up, you can share my elevator anytime!
And to Newbie Police, can I just say this... Major Andre might not be too far away!! (Did I hear someone mention perfidious Albion?)

Name: Big Fan
krouse@javanet.com

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 18:14:46
Comments:

Altamira:
You have touched on one of my favorite topics. And although I risk being called boring again, the answer is as follows. In the old days the Germans brewed a spring beer which was twice as strong and in theory you drank half as much to make it last longer. This was because in the summer they could not brew lagers because it was too warm These beers became to be known as Mai or May Bocks and are a lighter color but very strong beer about 8% alcohol. Although they can be made 12 months a year nowadays, the traditional German breweries only brew them in the spring. In the fall they would brew the dupple or double bock beers. These are very dark and taste like chocolate, molasses, etc. They are not quite as strong but still pack a wallop. These are for winter drinking. Their names tend to end in -ator. Celabrator. Optimator, Salvator, etc.

Name: Oscar
At the typewriter

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 14:17:18
Comments:

Felix, I think you should get a life, and get over it, or I'll be forced tosick Murray on you. You're acting like a schumck.

Name: Rubybaby
oh i almost forgot!

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 13:31:59
Comments:

Phil: Only once did I wake up with Steely Dan in my head. I just had a dream about being in an elevator with Donald Fagen. I posted it ages ago. It's probably filled with symbols of my insecurities, my yearning for love & acceptance, my obsession with sex, my love of lipstick, etc, etc... But thanks for sharing your morning thoughts with me (us). I really love morning!

rb

Name: RubyBaby
sowing the seeds of love

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 13:25:47
Comments:

RazorBoy: I see you're a guitar man. Nothing really beats a great guitar solo. If there's a piece with a piano solo, a sax solo and a guitar solo, it's the guitar that hits the apex.

Te1etubbie: (did I spell that right?) If I were getting married again, I'd want "Let's Stay Together". It covers all the bases - "...times are good or bad, happy or sad..." Al Greene was the first one I heard do it. I have a newer version found on the Tribute To Jeff album. Michael McDonald is a key player on that song. It's my fav.

Altimira: English majors? Maybe that's why their lyrics are so damn good!
Yeats wrote a poem or two about Alta Mira, being there alone with his thoughts about himself. In Hatian Divorce the kid grows up to look like that Kinky guy with whom she had the one- nighter. Then Clean Willy chucks her again, which is what reminds me of The Scarlet Letter. I know it's subtle...

rb

Name: Ryan
rwh@hida.org
Location: Alexandria, VA USA
Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 13:00:14
Comments:

FREE MARV ALBERT!

Name: Newbie Police
limey alert!

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 12:54:16
Comments:

Oh shut up Phil, You're not even a Steely Dan fan!

Name: Phil Williams
phil@placebo.netlineuk.net
Location: torquay, England
Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 12:03:30
Comments:

Sociable Hermit:

Just a quick message to say that I appreciate all that you contribute... after all, isn't what this page is for in the first place??

Name: Felix
the monkey

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 11:24:59
Comments:

Hermit- It did make for some "interesting banter". So much so, that now we can make fun of you even more.

So Herm- you know the monkey in "Monkey In Your Soul"? Well the monkey really signify's drugs and "in your soul" really signify's "on your back". So the monkey, (drugs) was really a monkey on Walter's soul (back). Get it? Walter was trying to get the monkey off of his back! Herm....What do ya think?

Name: Phil Williams
phil@placebo.netlineuk.net
Location: Torquay, England
Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 10:53:33
Comments:

Geena: Hi! Thank you very much for taking the time to send me the info on Marthas' Vineyard, I think it is great that you checked out the details on where the summer home is (any chance I can stay there?!) people in England can't be bothered to know their local history, which shames and disappoints me somewhat.

I'm afraid Melbourne was miles away from where I lived, I was resident in Sydney, which, as Lew Chang will confirm, is the best place in Australia (well, there are only two places... Sydney and the bush) but if you are ever heading that way, let me know - I can point you in the right direction about places to stay and things to do in Sydney.

I guess this being a Steely Dan website I should talk about things apropos Steely Dan, but I find it so nice to chat to people in the US about just everyday things that I sometimes forget (which reminds me, it slipped my mind that it was your Memorial Day last weekend! I hope you had a nice weekend for it.)

To end therefore on a Steely Dan note, can I just ask if anyone actually watched the film "Bright Lights Big City" and enjoyed it, or were they just mildly interested like me in the fact that DF wrote/sang the theme tune? (Shades of "FM", which I did like to be honest!)

Name: The Stranger
charitable

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 10:21:01
Comments:

fezo,
if things are so good, when will they dismantle the evil empire and knock down the berlin wall?

me,
your diatribe is excessive. i am no fan of affirmative action, but black people were placed by force and custom into the furthest reaches of the economy for generations. in any case, we shall not shun you even though your ugly disposition is clearly the result of an undersized pecker. try seeing a surgeon or finding an understanding mate. also, columns by abby and ann may reassure you.

Name: Geena
not where I want to be

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 09:59:20
Comments:

Phil: Here is some information about Martha's Vineyard, and since we lately inherited 1/5 of a summer home there (divided by 5 siblings), I thought it would be interesting as well to find out where it's name came from. I found this information on the internet at Mainstream.com:

The island was formed by glacial geological forces during the last ice age, which ended (maybe!) about 10,000 years ago. From West Chop Light in the north, the distance to the southern shore is approximately nine miles. Twenty-three miles separates Gay Head Light at the western end of the island, from East Beach on Chappaquiddick. This gives us roughly 100 square mile of forests, fields, wetlands and sandy beaches.

The first inhabitants of this land, after the animals, were Native Americans. Their survival was dependent on their agricultural and fishing skills. Archaeological studies indicate their presence here as far back as 5,000 years ago. The current ancesters of these hardy folk, still living here today, call themselves the "Wampanoag Tribe".

The first white person to set foot on the island was the British
explorer, Bartholomew Gosnold, in 1602. Legend has it that he named the island after his daughter "Martha". The "Vineyard" part comes from the wild grapes which proliferate to this day in the moist, boggy areas of the countryside.

btw....I have family in Melbourne, would you be from around or near there?

Name: Sociable Hermit
A Suggestion

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 09:10:26
Comments:

te 1 etubbie: "My One And Only Love" would be a great first song, IMO. There's a very good version of it on Sinatra's "Nice & Easy" cd, but if you want an absolute killer rendition, listen to "John Coltrane And Johnny Hartman"! It is incredible; only problem is that it is over six minutes long, and that's a lot of dancing.

To no one in particular: It still amazes me how petulant people can be when they don't agree with you. Instead of opening up their minds to allow a thought inside, they close them even tighter and ridicule the other person. I realize that from a historical perspective I was wrong; I sort of had an idea of that when I was writing. I just thought it might make for some interesting banter.

Name: Phil Williams
phil@placebo.ntlineuk.net
Location: torquay, England
Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 08:48:35
Comments:

Hi again everyone! Well, my modem seems to be playing up once more, and I found ANOTHER empty bottle of gin beside me when I woke up... somehow the two seem to be connected, or disconnected, depending on whose story you believe (which gives me a thought: how about everybody sends in their best excuses for being late at work? No prizes awarded, but I could sure do with some hints)

Anyway, no more excuses for not keeping in touch, so here goes:

Altamira: Yes, we are famous here for the double entendre, and I guess spotted dick ranks pretty high... my Mum makes it most Sundays without a passing word, plus we have rather dumb names for our villages (Like Mary Tavy and Peter Tavy, two places not far from where I live) But pride of place must go to our band names... I mean, Duran Duran??!! Whilst on the subject, can anybody give me the reason why the following are so called:

1) Marthas' Vineyard
2) Newport News (Why News??)

Ruby Baby: The first thing I think of when I wake up? I would like to say Steely Dan, but generally it is a convoluted passage between dreams and reality, when I think of the girl I love and she ain't there. But then I hate her anyway, so I shake myself loose and filter in to the groove of life. But my thoughts do usually change, depending on the dream - the other morning the sun was shining, I really felt good about things, and then I woke up.

Basically the low down on me is that I have infested the world for nigh on 34 years, I am unhappily single, I have been dragged kicking and screaming to the ends of Empire (I went to school and lived in New Zealand and Australia) and I am back to the country of my birth now, perhaps to put my feet up, but I am such a restless bastard that I am not sure what will happen next... watch this space!!

I'm a great Steely Dan admirer, but not a fanatic; I enjoy their music, but nothing more. A pleasant abberation on my part. Actually, my brother has just released a CD called "Beyond" in Australia, he has just sent me a copy and it sounds great (well, I would say that), I guess it won't hit Kasey Kellers' Top Forty (is he still going?) but for lovers of alternative pop/rock/jazz I say check it out, and help my brother (the band is called "Battu" on Chrystal Music Australia) Sorry, am I allowed to give plugs away on this message board? Oh well, I've done it now. Anyway, I shall sign off now, will talk again soon, especially if you talk to me!!

Name: minah
@thedoghouse

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 08:24:55
Comments:

Hey Jive Miguel,

Peg's offerin' to buy you a Jaeger?!! Damn, man, you must've made a good impression, all I got was a Pen that didn't work...

(Note to Self: At future Damned gigs offer Peg chair before she sits on floor...)

mW

Name: Norwegian Blue
Beautiful Plumage

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 06:36:33
Comments:

WHO SAID THIS?

Well. That's just the sort of Philistine pig-ignorance I've come to expect from you non-creative garbage. You sit there on your loathsome, spotty behinds squeezing blackheads, not caring a tinker's cuss for the struggling artist!

Name: Roy.Scam
the.wedding.singer

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 06:16:02
Comments:

One fun thing about listening to the "Catalyst" collection, (songs and versions that Becker and Fagen never used on records) is to see the 'before' picture, having only heard the polished product of their perfectionism. Makes you think maybe some of that squeaking shit you recorded on the Sony in the den might some day turn into "Barrytown" or "Any World". --
Another interesting thing is to hear songs wherein B&F were very derivative. One of those early songs ("You Go Where I Go") steals melody snippets from both Carol King and The Rascals. Or maybe Carol swiped "You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman" from Donald.

Tubbie: It's a small world after all. I have been emotionally blackmailed into singing that Shania Twain/Mutt Lang song "From This Moment On" at a wedding tomorrow. My fellow singer is a very non-country operatic soprano style singer, and , in all honesty, she doesn't have the abdominal aesthetics to create a Shania-like distraction factor. Add to that the fact that I have no range or voice and the song has two blind key changes, and you can see just how brutal this is going to be. I'll be surprised if the couple stays married till the end of the song. -- And the lyrics are so cliche' laden, it's difficult to remember them. Here's what I suggest: Kick the starting key from G up to A (just move the capot up if you're accompanying yourself on guitar). Play the first melodic phrase as part of the instrumental intro so you don't start wrong. Throw out all that talking crap at the beginning. Hit a major seventh instead of a major at the beginning of each verse so you can sing it less dramatically. Practice with a metronome and try to avoid speeding up. If you sing like me, add a lengthy instrumental solo at the end so that people will have time to forget. Sing quietly and far from the microphone; it's better to blame the sound system than to risk amplified vocal honks. I hope this helps.

Schwinn: Good to hear from you. Spinach and olive oil back to you. I thought that 'mean' dittie was written by Harry Nillson for the Altman movie "Popeye", but I could be wrong.

RS

Name: fezo
youstillhavehisguninyourhand

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 05:14:19
Comments:

so is being "the shit" a bad or a good thing?

wedding song suggestions:

"I Volunteer", off Glen Frey's first solo effort. Slow, romantic, has a bit of a 50's feel, with a nice guitar solo.

"It's Your Love" Tim McGraw/Faith Hill. NOT the overproduced, Phil Spector Wall of Sound, horns coming out of every speaker version. There's an acoustic mix available that's a lot more subtle and even manages to warm my cold, barren heart

no (answering my question of a couple of days ago)

Name: return to brenda
cappydick

Date: Friday, June 4, 1999 at 01:51:51
Comments:

fezo: you are the shit, honey. take a shot at ming?

upper case: where are you?

fire in the hole: you're about an empty bowl and the girl that used to keep it filled.

jimmy carter: you must feel guilty because you keep doing such wonderful volunteer work. aren't you afraid someone might sue you for making them feel as guilty as you yourself must have felt?

r.t. brenda

Name: IS IT
TRUE?

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 22:51:05
Comments:

Some guy named Hermit just emailed me to let me know that "Fire In The Hole" is really about Amy Fisher's sex life. Really?

Name: babs&
clean willie

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 21:57:40
Comments:

te l etubbie: how about "The Fez"?

Name: me
i am over it

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 21:51:06
Comments:

you posted that stuff - not me. i'd be interested to get your take on the song 'the royal scam' do you see the 'glory'?

Name: te1etubbie
eh-oh
Location: tubbieland, TV United Hills of Tubbiedom
Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 20:17:59
Comments:

Wow, I never even knew that SD had fanfests. I think that having one on a cruise ship would be amazing. However, being that I am currently saving every penny I have for my immpending wedding, I will just have to stay ashore and send up flares to let you all know that I am thinking of you.

I am currently in the process of turning my fiance' on to SD, although I don't think he wants me to know that it's working. Just the other day I managed to escape my job early, and I came home to him vacuuming the apartment, whilest blaring some Dan at top volume above the din. Imagine my surprize! Before he met me he had never even heard of Steely Dan. Isn't that sad? But I am overjoyed to be discovering that he is becoming a fan too.

Speaking of which, I am having a doozey of a time coming up with a good wedding song. I still have a good amount of time to think about it (our wedding date is May 13, 2000), but it is just one of those things that keeps nagging at my brain. I know that everybody and their brother seems to be using Shania Twain's, "From This Moment" (as a matter of fact I am singing that song at one of my best friend's wedding 2 months before my own), but I deplore country music, and I hate going mainstream. I know from reading that there are quite a few musicians amoungst us out there, as well as other musically inclined fellows, and we're all fans of Dan, so that shows immpecible taste...any suggustions?

Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

te1etubbie o-:)

Name: Altamira
thomasal@erols.com
Location: Washington, DC USA
Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 19:48:31
Comments:

Big Fan - I thought that Bock was traditionally an autumn beer, not a summer beer. It sure does pack one hell of a wallop whenever you drink it!

Phil - I happen to find English place names quite intriguing with their range from charming to truly bizarre, but then one would expect curious place names in a country where people eat something called spotted dick pudding.

Roy Scam - You aroused my curiosity regarding Fire in the Hole, since I hadn't heard it in a long time and couldn't remember what the piano solo sounded like. I listened to it and found it wonderfully playful and quirky, so I got out the box set booklet to find out who was playing and was delighted to find that it was Fagen! We so rarely get to hear him play a piano solo. I'll have to listen to that song more often.

Oleander - Good, I'm glad we both meant the same book. It was fabulous! (The author's name is Kathleen Ann Goonan.)

te 1 tubbie - I don't have a problem with sampling, as long as the original artists don't mind. It can sometimes be interesting to hear what another musician does with a musical idea. Quoting from other works, including folk tunes, is quite common in classical music. Recently, at work I have twice heard a rap song that is based on a sampling from O Fortuna from Carl Orff's Carmina Burana - it starts out with a few measures of the choral part, then the rest of the song uses a harmonic pattern from the original piece. I think Orff would have liked it, he seems like someone who would have appreciated rap.

GK John - Trade Federation? I thought it was the folks on Nanu who looked Asian. Then again, I nodded off a few times during the movie, so I may have missed something.

Peg - I visited the web site with the pictures and sounds from your band's performance at Le Bar Bat in New York - most impressive! The next time you play on the East Coast, I'll definitely try to be there. Maybe I'd run into some other folks from here; that would be fun! Fill us in on your schedule the next time you all come east!

Ruby Baby - The literary influence in some SD songs would certainly make sense, considering that Fagen was an English major and both them like to read books.

Fezo - yes.

Midnite Cruiser - The reviews of Brian Sweet's book at Amazon.com make it sound truly dreadful, but I might buy it anyway so I can see a picture of Fagen in kindergarten.

Name: Dr. Freud
Just a moment

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 19:40:53
Comments:

And you say she was *in* Savannah. Who is this Savannah, and did the cigar play a part in it?

Sigmond

Name: Dr. Freud
Leafing through my notes

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 19:38:41
Comments:

fezo: Cigar girl, eh? Hmm...

Sigmond

Name: me
@ GET OVER IT

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 15:17:36
Comments:

liberal weenie@kkk: Oh, I see the racism. The liberals encourage it, incite it, re-create it so that the nation remains divided so that they, the liberals, are assured of some power.

As far as I can tell, the only ones who made money from the slaves in the early part of our history are the plantation owners. But all that got destroyed. My own ancestors worked hard without slaves and we made our own way. We had our share trouble, but we didn't WHINE about it. And if we had half the Affirmative Action preferences certain Minority folks do (at OUR expense btw), then we'd really have it made!

As for walking in your *brown* shoes: Are you an American citizen? I am. Were you born here? I was. Did you attend public school? I did. Did you have everything handed to you on a silver platter becah,

If you don't like your own situation, look in the mirror and find the real culprit. It's easy to blame everybody else for your own dissatisfaction with your life. I don't see you as brown. I see you as yellow.

Name: fezo
settingtherecordstraight

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 14:17:23
Comments:

Stranger, here's what you missed . . .

Carter was impeached after an independent prosecutor discovered that he had lied when he claimed only to have lusted after women in his heart. After exhaustive depositions of every waitress in every restaurant Carter had dined in since marrying Rossilyn, it was discovered that he had once verbalized his admiration for a 17 year old cigar girl in Savannah.

Upon Carter's impeachment, Ford was returned to office and the nation has endured 31 years of Republican bliss even since.

Name: TheStranger
did those hostages ever come home from iran?

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 13:55:29
Comments:

greta's flunky,
please stay away from my penis altogether. i've done nothing to deserve your animosity. well, almost nothing.

i confess i used to check the 'S' pile once in awhile in cd stores just in case some new s.dan album came out that i hadn't heard about. now i find myself occasionally checking their website in hopes of the promised announcement. this is stupid. i'm going to sell my decoder ring, shave, shower and return to life. who was elected president after carter left office? i haven't paid attention.

Name: Greta's Flunkie
peckers!

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 11:37:32
Comments:

I'd LOVE a job inspecting penises- you know, checking for irregularities or extreme smallness. I would toss the ill-formed members into a barrel and set them on fire. I would arrange the nice plump ones in a Martha Stewart-like centerpiece for my table.

Btw, I think that liberal wimp/weenie has a nice penis. At least from what I can see...

Name: Jello Biafra
Posters For Sale!

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 10:34:46
Comments:

It worked! It really worked!! Alright! I've got this Roy guy, now who else is interested in overthrowing the government because of looking at a poster of a bunch of penises? If there's anyone on the distaff side ready to join my cause, I've got plenty of posters showing a bunch of vaginas! All different kinds! And, and, and your pets, too! I've got dog dick posters, pussy pussy posters, monkey muff posters, you name it! Let's all follow Roy's lead and go nuts from viewing similar organs of other beings!!!!

Woooooooooooo!!!!!! Cock and Roll!!!!!!!!

Mr. Biafra

Appearing this Friday at Duane's Coffee and Tatooing, Akron, Ohio

Name: Roy.Scam
Asshole.University. , Collage.of.Penises

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 08:53:32
Comments:

Sociable Hermit: I think the charges against the Dead Kennedys were well founded. I too would suffer from "insurrection" if I had to look at too many penises.

RS

Name: MidniteCruiser
MC AGAIN

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 07:16:24
Comments:

jOKER.....great minds think alike and post at damn near the same time! I'm sitting in a boring as hell Windows class that Goodyear is paying me $240 to take.....surfing and getting paid is not a bad way to make a living....wish I could do it all the time.

Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 07:12:47
Comments:

OneMoreChick....Haitian Divorce was written around the experience of one of the guys (an engineer I think) who worked on the album with them....of course, they took a few liberties in the story line....even though it's not the greatest book in the world I'd still recommend reading "Reeling In The Years" by Brian Sweet. If anyone here can tell me a better read for a biographical type thing on the Dan feel free to inform me.....inquiring minds wanna know.

MC

Name: jokeR
to tell a family secret, my grandmother was Dutch...

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 07:12:03
Comments:

CHICK WHO AIN'T HERE:

if you pick up the slightly odorous Brian Sweet Bio, you can infer from all the cut and pasting that SD got the idea of Haitian Divorce from a personal experience of a colleague of theirs.....

passin it along like a good brother should:smiRK

Name: Ringo Starr
no

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 07:11:04
Comments:

It is true, I have no plans to re release the No No Song in 1999.
There is a much better chance Steely Dan will release a new CD in 1999. Sorry about my earlier post, I didn't mean to get any of you upset.

Name: Sociable Hermit
It's Me

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 06:32:31
Comments:

Stranger: The Dead Kennedys were a hardcore punk band formed around 1978, and lasting until about the mid-eighties. Their most "famous" songs were, "Let's Lynch The Landlord", "Holiday In Cambodia", "California Uber Alles", and a stunning cover of "Viva Las Vegas". In addition to being thrash monsters, they were very political; eventually having to defend themselves in court on obsenity charges stemming from the inclusion of a poster in their album, "Frankenchrist". It was really stupid; the poster was a collage of penises, and supposedly, some politicians felt that veiwing these penises would create a nationwide insurrection. If I remember, the band eventually won, but went bankrupt. Lead singer Jello Biafra then went on a solo career, which included a series of rambling spoken word albums.

Also, there probably never will be justice on the internet. It's too hard to police. Just have to get used to it, I guess.

Later,

Herm

Name: One More Chick Who Isn't Here
Re: Sad Songs

Date: Thursday, June 3, 1999 at 05:24:16
Comments:

I think that Walt's "Book of Liars" and SD's "Haitian Divorce" are two of the saddest songs I've ever heard. Even with that lovely Reggae beat, Haitian Divorce really makes me depressed when I hear it. Does anyone know if Walt and Don pulled these lyrics from personal experience? Hope not!!!!!

Name: Schwinn*
Look for the seal (*) of authenticity

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 23:46:55
Comments:

Roy--The Fleischer Brothers wrote that infectious ditty over 60 years ago. ZZ Topp shamelessly borrowed crucial elements of the song for their famous 1979 anthem, "I'm Bad, (Mean); I'm Nationwide; (I'm mean all the time.)

Spinach & Olive Oil,

*SEMB

Name: TheStranger
oh soul oh me oh

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 22:16:42
Comments:

geena,
i remember a group called dead kennedys, but i don't remember what they sounded like.

people still getting attacked here by shrill, soundless beings who get excited and lose all humanity while at the keyboard. they're like mean drunks. the reality at their core comes out. will justice find its way to cyberspace? tune in next ....

Name: liberal weenie
kkk

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 20:35:54
Comments:

walk a mile in my brown shoes- maybe living inside the paradigm, you sincerely don't see the racism inherent in the system - maybe you live in denial or maybe you're just

Name: Roy.Scam
the.lunatic.is.on.the.computer

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 19:50:31
Comments:

fezo: I just saw David Gilmour on TV seconds before reading your post. It was on a VH-1 show called Bad Boys. Among the others interviewed was Skunk Baxter who made a few comments about Steely Dan (their failure to fit a category and the amount of time they spent in the studio).

Another good guitar solo: John Squires on the Seahorses song, "Love Is the Law". The closing solo will remind you of Bodhissatva.

Clas: trivia quiz: Who wrote the words "I'm mean, I'm mean, I'm mean, you know what I mean" ? (Sung by Bluto)

For those who liked "This Is Spinal Tap", check out "Waiting For Guffman" a similar parody of another show biz microcosm, with some of the same cast.

RS

Name: Blue Legume
meatsubstitute

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 19:21:45
Comments:

I tend to doubt that Schwinn made that post earlier today. Everyone who's anyone knows the Biker doesn't rise til midnight.

Full Mast Baby,

BL

Name: Geena
Bienvenido a'MI ami

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 18:55:28
Comments:

Annoying song #2: Heard it this morning on my drive to work, i'm in a frazzled mood, I've already tried on 4 different outfits and hated every single one of them, it's hot, it's humid, my hair is afrizz, I need AC asap and just when I think I've finally got Afternoon Delight out of my mind, what comes on the radio? "Dancing Queen". I know someone's out to get me!

fezo: no

Ruby: I believe in Murphy's law regarding these matters, c'est la vie! Yes! I do start hearing the Bee Gees, and it Night Fever! how did you know? Are we spiritually in tune with each other?

KatyDanFan: Thank you, but not to worry, I waited this long and I can wait just a little longer. I will keep you posted, and thanks for keeping us updated on Michael. Please tell him I say Hi y'all!

David in the Florida Room: Of course I got the joke, hey life is too short not to laugh once in a while, which is something many don't do anymore. The Rippingtons are fantastic and I would love to see them sometime. And what a wonderful gift to give your wife for her birthday! I would enjoy being on the same ship as you, and if we could make it, you and my permasqueeze could jam together, he's a guitar player too. Loved your comment to liberal wimp. Black, White, who cares! When you work hard for your "bread", you don't owe anyone anything, except the Feds....... So you're half Italian?

TheStranger: I know too well about greasing a few palms and thanks for the advice. I have a few friends in high places (well actually, one friend who is a relative to those friends) that could very well assist me with this case. Have you ever heard of the Kennedy's?

Name: Schwinn
security

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 18:01:01
Comments:

Dan A.

Nope, never impostered anyone but myself.

Hooked on Sonics,

SEMB

Name: no
no

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 16:21:52
Comments:

no in 99

Name: fezo
saythemagicword

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 16:01:43
Comments:

last line: sound

Name: fezo
bornaramblingman

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 15:59:06
Comments:

I hit puberty just in time for the disco era. "How Deep Is Your Love" was the theme for my first dance and "Disco Inferno" was the unofficial "theme" for the school tennis team. Those good memories aside, I think disco sucked. It served to scar permanently some talented bands; e.g., Bee Gees, and produced such cultural atrocities as "Dance Fever" and roller-blading.

I'm curious, who out there thinks we'll see new product in 1999? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Great guitar solo: David Gilmour, "So Far Away".

I'm starting to like a bad Larry King column in USA today . . .

Name: RubyBaby
western girl

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 15:27:26
Comments:

David: A Norwegian Cruise for her b-day? Your wife's a fortunate babe!
Great stuff, that Bill of No Rights! Liberal weenies aside, I'm glad you posted it! Got more?

Geena: I was wondering if they'd make you go over. I'll be *requesting* that you don't have to and that the paperwork gets streamlined.
When you're in your Disco groove, do you start hearing the BeeGees? Gotta love that song Lonely Days.

I'm starting to detect literature in certain SD songs. I can hear a bit of The Scarlet Letter in Hatian Divorce and WB Yeats in Caves of Alta Mira. Does anyone else, or is it just me?

rb

Name: Zeke
Zydeco Schmydeco

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 13:59:11
Comments:

ran across a CD by Grant Geissman, heard a tune called "Chase the Dragon". Pretty... scarey. Man, this guy has got to have a Steely jones goin'. Great horns, Gaucho feeling, awesome guitar solo. Check it out.

OK, I admit it, I DO NOT get into anything Kenny G'ish at all.
That dude does nothing for me, man. There, I got that out of my system.

Boz Scaggs in town, think I'll check him out. He's doing a casino tour in the south.

Forgot to mention on the last post, that Peg version on AIA, outstanding bass! You guys have got to go out again.
I think you should do a "Guestbook Roadie Contest".

Anyone here into Acoustic Alchemy? I'd like to get some feedback on "Positive Thinking".

outta here

Name: David in the Florida Room
Reefs of Kizmar

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 13:04:47
Comments:

L. Wimp - Shoulda listened to my old man...never get into a pissing contest with a skunk . D

Clas - Jeez ..Am I on your Shit list too? You don't even want to be on the Same Ship with me?

I must have gotten up on the wrong side of my pile of straw today.

David

Name: TheStranger
ideas

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 10:37:38
Comments:

geena,
never been to russia, but been to 3rd world, which russia has joined. in such places when processes hit snags it can mean somebody wants palm greased. hard to do when you're not there and even when you're there you can make the mistake of bribing the wrong person who just rips you off. sometimes people in the u.s. consulate can actually be helpful. you can get a number through u.s. state dept. in washington. and if state dept. drags its feet you can go to your congressional representative to get him/her to get to state dept. for you. or maybe you've done all that. good luck. i believe it will work out.

Name: No,
Fuck YOU

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 10:16:19
Comments:

I'm a musician from Far Arcturus.

Name: David in the Florida Room
dmoore113@aol.com

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 09:50:51
Comments:

Liberal Wimp- I didn't know there was a distinction between a Musician and a Black Musician...I always went by "Can the Cat's Play or Can't they Play"
Your attitude bums me out .
As far as my Colonial ancestors...My Mother's Family Came from Italy around 1920 and My Dad's Came from Ireland around the same time. Me? I'm just and American.
I Schlepp my equipment around, I play my Gigs and I pay my Bills. And I don't owe you A thing!
David

Name: Peg
totzke@usa.net

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 08:53:41
Comments:

Jive Miguel: I had a great time, too. The "dangerous set" was too short! We did Any Major Dude, New Frontier, Haitian Divorce, Gaucho, Kings, and one other (for some reason I'm blanking out on what it was). It was nice to meet you, and I'll certainly let you know when we're playing again. Thanks for the Jaeger - next time, I'll buy one for you.

Name: liberal
wimp

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 07:56:15
Comments:

david: you're a musician? fuck you i'm a black musician

Name: Dan A.
i know

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 07:49:18
Comments:

Katy, I knew Barny had been playing in the SNL band, but what I didn't know was that he had also toured with Kenny G. (what a joke) thanks lorn.

Schwinn, If I remember right, you had amitted sometime back that you were impostering somebody right here on the GB. Now, could it have been you that posted as the loveable Herm the other day? SHUMCK!

da

Name: Clas
about to make some phonecalls

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 07:34:23
Comments:

Ole Andersen - did this brother of Bru play the shaker? Was the sister goodlooking? Did you think of me while you were dancing?

JustKatyDanFan - I'm so in love honey - and you are just pretending like I don't exist.

Name: Clas


Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 07:16:00
Comments:

David - I think Norwegian Cruise Lines may be a good bet for hosting a DanFest at Sea some time in the Future...whaddya think?

And we'll be stuck with each other for... how long?

Name: Clas


Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 07:15:59
Comments:

David - I think Norwegian Cruise Lines may be a good bet for hosting a DanFest at Sea some time in the Future...whaddya think?

And we'll be stuck with each other for... how long?

Name: David in the Florida Room
dmoore113@aol.com

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 06:45:43
Comments:

Hello Everyone, Just wanted to Alert you all to a first. Norwegian Cruise Line's famous Ship the NORWAY is hosting a Smooth Jazz Theme cruise. Sailing From Miami November 6-13th 1999.
Miami to Cozumel,Jamaica,and Great Stirrup Cay(NCL's private Island) with "at sea" days in between.
The Cruise features Russ Freeman and the Rippingtons,Craig Chaquico,Ken Navarro, Keiko Matsui and Many Others . Yes, I'm going ...to Celebrate my Wife's Birthday. For Booking Info Email me and I'll give you the Info.
I think Norwegian Cruise Lines may be a good bet for hosting a DanFest at Sea some time in the Future...whaddya think?

David

Name: Clas
@ work

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 06:42:35
Comments:

The post Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 00:19:19 - wasn't me.

Name: David in the Florida Room
dmoore113@aol.com

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 06:26:00
Comments:

Geena- Thanks for commenting on the Bill of No Rights...I thought I was about to be ostrasized for finding it Humorous.Good to know you got the Joke...I mean hey, look around us.

Liberal Wimp- Fuck You ,Get a Job. MY Affluence? I'm a
musician !
And remember ...Life is like a Shit Sandwich, and the more Bread you have ,the Less Shit you have to eat. Now Where's that Guitar string Dental Floss...

David

Name: Clas
@work

Date: Wednesday, June 2, 1999 at 00:19:19
Comments:

Schwinn

Is THAT you?

There are no trailer parks in Sweden so no aliens. Know what I mean?

cl as

Name: Schwinn*
*really me this time

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 23:51:41
Comments:

Can you believe that, Clas? First someone is impersonating our lovable 'ol Hermit and the next thing you know somebody is assuming my identity and claiming aliens shoved a stump up my rump! Impossible. I was in the New Orleans' city jail and anyway it was a nightstick...

Every A-Frame,

*SEMB

*see above

Name: TheKatyDanFan
"...I was just daydreaming about you, honey, honest!..."

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 22:44:45
Comments:

Geena: Sorry to hear of that setback. Hopefully things will speed up and you won't have to fly to Russia. Keep me posted! We'd love to send you a little present when it happens, if we can know where you are somehow! :)

Yes! I have heard from Michael and he is doing well! He should be returning to work on Thursday, it was two weeks off, doctor's orders. He's back in Texas and I bet he'll be checking in here real soon, right , O Michael?

Midnite: Nice to hear from one half of the ecstatically happy couple! You two make me smile.

Lorn: I didn't know that! Don't tell me Tom Barney has been there for years and is that guy with the long straight hair who's always out front? I haven't watched it for a long time, I'll have to check that out. See what you can learn in the GB.

Schwinn: Glad you got away from those aliens. You should know better than to mention the new one at a time like that!

RubyBaby: Wow! Thanks for sharing that great fantasy you had about me and El Supremo. You did a wonderful word-painting job on that! You don't know how "in touch" you are! So much of what you said is definitely us, lol. Anton "what's his name" would be there for sure--- El Supremo does a great imitation of him, so of course that would be playing! And, yes, we would dance! We'd entertain everyone going by until the tow truck came, or the cows came home. And who knows, other SD fans driving by might stop and join us! Perhaps some GBers!!

So now the fantasy continues in my mind... This might last a few days, so don't worry while we're gone. *grin*

El Supremo and O Michael: See how you're both missed?? ILYM!

Just Katy :)

Name: Fred La Poleon
mustard, anyone?

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 22:11:29
Comments:

love that marimba. and the bassline that picks it up throughout.

dude l oo (woo-oo) dude l oo (woo-oo)

and behind throughout.

dude l oo, dude l oo.

raindrops.

gotta get a pair of headphones.

when you get home
wooo hooo ooo ooo ooo, uh huh.

and of course, it goes right on oh yeah. heyuh, heyuh

yeah, go ahead tell me how you don't like this one. geeees.

Name: oleander
check your head

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 21:42:08
Comments:

SEMB--Thank goodness you prevailed, warrior of the cosmos. Drop by and I'll do a quick PET scan to assure all those chips are out. Hey, I miss the marimba too. It always made me lean in a little closer, cock my ear, and get all noodly until the bass & piano came in.

Clas--No, but his brother & sister-in-law sang too.

SR--Not so far.

Backroom--It's Jerome Aniton, who drove and did miscellaneous tasks for the Dan in those days. See "Reelin' In The Years" by Brian Sweet. Where are you?

Q--Who's that lady? I'll go for Venus de Milo, or maybe Athena. What magazine was that pic in, & when? It's funny.

Been listening to the rerererererererereetc.mastered PL & KL. PL sounds really different, not just the "Rikki" intro--I can hear a lot more guitar detail, for example. KL doesn't sound too different to me, though I can now hear Phil Woods strolling around in the background of "Dr. Wu." The liner notes are also very interesting if customarily oblique in places. OK, I know I'm a sucker, you don't need to point it out.

Name: Geena
Brut and charisma

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 20:24:11
Comments:

Mock Turtle: I can see why WB would be a little anonymous to some. I can't help it but when I think of SD, Fagen always comes to mind first and foremost, but I understand what you're saying. I tried to introduce a friend to SD and he actually went out and bought a few recommended CD's. When asked how he liked them, he replied, "I really like this Steely Dan guy". Well my friend is not too sharp, but he's learning.

I like Donald's solo efforts. 11TOW is good lyrically, but not my favorite musically. It doesn't mean I like Becker the less. They are both geniuses to me.

David in the FL Room: Bill of No Rights was great and to think someone sent that to me in my email and I deleted before even reading it! Thanks for the laugh!

Schwinn: Next time this happens, just click your heels 3 times and repeat over and over, "there's no place like home". They'll soon tire of you, find you most obnoxious and send you home on the next fax transmission. Don't ask me how I know this.

Cargo loading

TheKatyDanFan: No, it's not only PA, it's unbearably hot here too, and humid. There's nothing like a hot ocean breeze assaulting your face.

As I predicted, there has been a setback in motherhood. I may have to fly to Russia now (which is something I'm trying to get around) and there is a problem with her immigration papers, but they keep saying soon. Have you heard from Michael?

te1etubbie: There is nothing worse than an annoying song you don't recognize that continues to drone in your head for hours. The one that comes to my mind now is from the Taco Bell TV ad where the woman is walking through the aisles of a supermarket and you hear....(if I say it, I'll hear it in my head for the next week)...okay, "Afternoon Delight" in the background. There I said it and now it's in my head, how do I stop this?

Alta: I will be attending the Chicago/Doobie Bros. concert this year and no Michael McDonald is no longer with them, but I understand he makes guest appearances when the feeling moves him.

GKJohn: If you're ever down my way, I'll show you some attractions! Sempre Amici

TheStranger: In response to your post regarding my liking disco music, well I never wore polyester, made me sweat too much, but I did look good in my platforms! And at your suggestion, I've decided to join discoanon. At my first meeting, no one showed up, is that why it's called anonymous? pass me the Brut and a Tony Manero, will ya?

Will someone get this "Afternoon Delight" song out of my head!!!

Name: liberal
wimp

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 20:18:07
Comments:

david: did it occur to you that your affluence is the result of years of slavery and theft by your colonial ancestors. the irony is that your tax dollars are spent building jails to keep the underprivilaged from spoiling your view

Name: RubyBaby
@nyworld

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 19:30:05
Comments:

Michael Packard: I miss you and your stories and your ever-present good mood and your saludos! I'm going to do something I don't do for just anyone - archive. I want your email address. Please be OK, ok?

Clas: No more blues - yeah RIGHT! I think we can get away from Loney Hearts Fountain and have some fun, but there will always be room for blues. Hopefully with some rhythm.
I was thinking that Hatian Divorce would make a great video! You could play a wonderful Clean Willy. I put on the vinyl of Royal Scam and I remembered what a cool plot that song contains. It made me laugh today.

KatyDanFan: You and El Supremo seem to be apart way more than you're together. Is this true? It causes me to pause... and create a fantasy for you. Here goes:

You are driving alone on a country road toward the city where you have a business dinner. You're in a rental car but fortunately it has at least a tape deck. You pop in your homemade Dan Tape. The sun is huge and orange and beautiful on the horizon. "Keep your eyes on the sky." You go over in your mind the schpeel you've prepared for this meeting and pray you haven't left out something important, while you try to decide if you want red or white wine. You don't want to seem indecisive about anything. You pray your dress is not getting wrinkled & hope that * I know I've forgotten something* feeling is just a feeling. Suddenly, your thoughts are interrupted by a phantom wisp of El Supremo's colgne. Damn, you miss him! Where is he & what is he thinking now? Drive. "It's a light in my eyes." Look at the sun, lower and partially hidden by haze. "It's perfection & grace." You recall how he looked the last time you saw him. "It's the smile on my face." You feel that smile appear and it feels good...
In one instant it's all gone - your breath is swiftly sucked in while your feet slam on the breaks. There's a brief moment that goes by exceedingly fast, but you live it in slow-mo: you see the other vehicle and feel the impact and hear the sickening sound of metal on metal. You know you're rotating and veering but you are powerless to do anything about it. Finally, the motion ceases. You breathe out. You hate the way your stomach feels and every nerve in your body is wired. You decide to get out of your car. Someone is getting out of the other car and he seems to be alright, thank God. But now you discover that you're mad. What the hell was that taxi doing in that intersection anyway? From across the road you hear him yell, "Are you OK?" You nod, but you can't see him through your tears. Now it's fear you're feeling and you just want your El Supremo to be here more than ever. As a matter of fact, you want him so bad that the other person sounded a lot like him. Just then, you hear him again, "Katy! Oh my God...!" It IS El Supremo! You're speechless as he takes you up in his strong arms. Now you are crying big time, but it's mixed with laughter. A hug was never so wonderful! You find out that he was coming home early to suprise you, but cab drivers being the way they are... Anyway, after you both see that the taxi man is fine and has called the police and a tow truck, you decide to view your rental. It's a mess! But the tape player is still going. "...here is the magnificent one, the one & only one - Mr. Steely Dan!" As the first drum beats & guitar bends hit the air, you see a certain sparkle in El Supremo's eyes that he gets just before he wants cut loose with ya... The cops arrive to see the two of you swinging to the tune of Bodhisattva in the dirt next to a wreck, with a cab driver laughing like a crazy man and all they could do was scratch their heads and smile...

You'll have to take it from there, KatyDanFan. I hope you don't mind me using you in my little day-dream. Hey, it might have happened to someone, somewhere.

rb

Name: Mock Turtle


Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 18:48:06
Comments:

I'm sick of all this Becker-bashing with regard to their respective writing contributions. Mr. Becker is THE MAN! If Steely Dan were a cup of Dannon yogurt, he would be the fruit on the bottom to Fagen's plain vanilla. Without Walter, Steely Dan CDs would be, well, Nightflies, and who really would want that, I ask you?

Name: Midnite Cruiser
midnitecruiser@hotmail.com

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 17:31:45
Comments:

GK John....we've been married just over a month and I feel like the honeymoon will be going on for years if not decades but we've got it under control enough to function now....we're going to a little internet friends get together in PA in July but if any of the locals decide to do another VA/NC Dan Fess this year I'm game.....better go for now, "our song" just came on....If You Could Only See...*contented sigh*

Name: Q
FLAROOM

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 14:46:11
Comments:

Hey GANG - IT'S THE NAME THAT GIRL CONTEST !!!!!!

to enter - first view:

http://home.tampabay.rr.com/danman1/donald.JPG

And, yes, this is a published/authorized photo !

I say......... Hillary !

Name: Jive Miguel
jforrest@home.com
Location: San Diego,
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 13:52:12
Comments:

PEG - Thanks for the great time on Sunday night. I usually never leave early but my whole group was ready to go. Keep me posted on when you all play again. By the way, what songs did you guys play in the "Dangerous Set"...?

Name: GK John
Stuck in Lodi again

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 11:14:32
Comments:

Ole & Cruiser- Thanks for the offer! If I had planned it better and not had such a busy weekend going, I might have been able to do a little Triad hopping. I really had no idea US Scare had such little regard for travelers in & out of that area. Besides, hey Cruiser, aren't you still on your honeymoon?

Not a bad idea about that rescue team, Ole.
An 800 number can get a wayward traveler some hot coffee, donuts and Steely Dan CDs to wear the weary hours down.

Remarkable how the Trade Federation representatives looked and sounded like oriental people. Funny how they aren't as outraged or are they just waiting for the overseas rights before they complain?

TTFN

Name: David in the Florida Room
dmoore113@aol.com

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 08:26:02
Comments:

Hey Everyone- I know this is not Dan related ,but I thought it was funny and on the mark...are you listening Skunk?

The following was written by State Representative Mitchell Kaye
> from Cobb County, GA.
>
> We, the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to
> help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice,
> avoid any more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive
> behavior and secure the blessings of debt-free liberty to
> ourselves and our great-great-great grandchildren, hereby try
> one more time to ordain and establish some common sense
> guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt-ridden delusional and
> other liberal, bed-wetters.
>
> We hold these truths to be self-evident: that a whole lot of
> people were confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that
> they require a "Bill of No Rights".
>
> ARTICLE I:
> You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV or any
> other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally
> acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.
>
> ARTICLE II:
> You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is
> based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone - not
> just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a
> different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots, and probably
> always will be.
>
> ARTICLE III:
> You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a
> screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful, do not expect
> the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives
> independently wealthy.
>
> ARTICLE IV:
> You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans
> are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help
> anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of sub-
> sidizing generation after generation of professional couch
> potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another
> generation of professional couch potatoes.
>
> ARTICLE V:
> You do not have the right to free health care. That would be
> nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not
> interested in health care.
>
> ARTICLE VI:
> You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you
> kidnap, rape, intentionally maim or kill someone, don't be
> surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric
> chair.
>
> ARTICLE VII:
> You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you
> rob, cheat or coerce away the goods or services of other
> citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and
> lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to
> a big-screen color TV or a life of leisure.
>
> ARTICLE VIII:
> You don't have the right to demand that our children risk their
> lives in foreign wars to soothe your aching conscience. We hate
> oppressive governments and won't lift a finger to stop you from
> going to fight if you'd like. However, we do not enjoy parenting
> the entire world and do not want to spend so much of our time
> battling each and every little tyrant with a military uniform and a
> funny hat.
>
> ARTICLE IX:
> You don't have the right to a job. All of us sure want all of you to
> have one, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we
> expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education
> and educational training laid before you to make yourself useful.
>
> ARTICLE X:
> You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American
> means that you have the right to pursue happiness - which by
> the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an
> overabundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were
> confused by the Bill of Rights.
> ~~~ >>

Name: Lorn
snl.com

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 07:08:19
Comments:

Katy- Tom Barney can be seen every Saturday night on NBC in the house band on Saturday Night Live. As far as being availible for the dan tour.... Let's just pray Kenny G. won't be touring at the same time.

Show him the money!

Name: Clas
the hangman isn't hanging around

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 07:03:36
Comments:

JustKatyDanFan - didn't you read my post baby?

Wass up YO! Roy, am I mean?

I mean, am I mean to you?

Hell, now I don't know what I mean.

Schwinn, would you care to explain what you mean? Say it like you mean it.

Name: Schwinn
rapidlyhealing

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 02:19:01
Comments:

Katy: I was abducted by aliens. They looked just like the beings on the cover of SD's greatest hits. When I mentioned "the new one" they subjected me to a very uncomfortable anal probe. So I killed them.

Digging the Sensors Out,

SEMB

Name: backroom
babbler

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 1999 at 01:53:22
Comments:

katy: thanks, i hope you don't lie
tubbie: i don't know if you have these songs in america but the latest one uses the line /don't give a fuck about anybody else/ ad nauseum.It's the only sd you're ever going to hear on the radio over here.
I paint for a living so i get to spend quite a bit of time listening to music as a backdop, as it were. My player holds 5 discs so i often just put on 'citizen ' plus a solo , press "shuffle" , and there's my day .

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