User: suedave | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message:
Bill, Bill, Bill, have another hit of fresh air.
Randy - nice collection of quotes. That last one I have a theory about....
Beerberian - don't stop now! Maybe this'll get you fired up again http://thomasbarnwell.com/jason/files/union.mov or click on link above.
User: Ray Manzarek not to be confused with Phil Manzanera | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Jaz..the aircheck was outstanding and above
Aja..did i ever tell you about running guns to mexico.or the Wright brothers and bycycles?
played today
Horace Silver.."paris blues" (previously unrealeased)
Johnny Griffin & Steve Grossman Quintet..waltswing"
Zan Gardner.."here's my heart"
Johnny Adams.."look the whole world over"
Less McCann.."doin that thing"
Chet Baker.."lonely star"
Cal Tjader.."concerts in the sun"
Ron Carter.."blues farm"
Blues in my mailbox
'cause I can't get no mail,
blues in my
bread-box
'cause my bread got stale.
Merline Johnson
"blues everywhere"
bluz
User: I mean | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: mid 2nd millenium
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Alta: I agree - that the US and Austrialia were the Mizar 5 of the mid 20th Century...indeed, those who are criminals, political and otherwise have found haven here. That should still continue - but in the 9/11 world, I want them screened first - while I would like the Feds to be more judicious about monitoring US citizens. While this still requires a court order, we all should be concerned about overzealous monitoring in the name of PC (e.g., excessive patting down of 80 year old women at airports) or otherwise...
User: Danorak | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: This is to certify that I, Danorak, am a different
(though bizarrely similar) entity to the Dano you all know and love. I, too am a
Scot but there's no relation beyond that. Dano- how weird was that chat
exchange?
Totally understandable you thought it was a wind-up. Anyway hope
that clears that up. Confused? So am I. Cheers from sconnie botland
User: The Bar Fly | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: JazzFM-Dublin's only urban 24 hour jazz radio station 89.8Mhz welcomes the UK's "the Dan collective" @ 21.00 and announces details of their forthcoming June Bank Holiday Festival gigs at the Cotton Club in THE ODEON, Harcourt St., D2.
Joining them in studio to launch the opening of the Cotton Club will be Johhny Hartigan P.R.O. Young Advertising, Naked Lunch's Cian Cordyre, The Cotton Club's Pairaig O'Dowd, Eric Kelly from Rigs 4 Gigs and sound engineer with the DC and Lance Klewer of Summit Promotions, Roskilde, Denmark.
Press Release to follow.
User: duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: what's up with chat ?
User: Aja..............it's Friday, I'm in love (?) | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: W1P-what you said! No need for me to reply 'cause you did it so eloquently. Thanks, buddy!
suedave-thanks! ;o)
Lady B-welcome back! Wish I could have been at the Core show. Reports?
Molly-that was a HILARIOUS bumper sticker!
And yeah, I'm heading back into trouble 'cause I just got an e-mail from an F-14 flyboy who's been flying in and out of my life for the last 8 years, but neither of our timing's ever been right. Well, he's flying in again next week..........oh, what the hell!
Aja
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Bill: I meant that crack about your sexual habits as a joke. Came off rather harsh. Funny, but harsh... sorry.
Pat
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Mu--Ok, I see your point. Also, I'm aware that this country was part of England in 1647; my point is that my forebear came to Virginia illegally; he was a criminal because he refused to serve his indenture. I doubt that he received any government aid, though.
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: 13: Today, I finished a $1.25 million dollar grant which took me 4 months 60 hours a week to write + my other duties and kids, etc. - what have you....nevermind... bugger off.
Alta: the key word is AND. I am in favor of government aid for those who are legal and need it as your mother an family...my family almost went on welfar in the 60s - no disrespect was intended
In 1647 - we were part of England
However, I am not in favor of providing assistance to those who are here illegally - it is unfair to others who have to spend a lot of time and effort going through proper channels. It is also important that they be screened for dealings with terrorism and drug trade...
StAl: I hear ya, especially driving in my little Toyota surrounded by these mucho macho trucks and Suburbans. I think your engineer friend may have been drinkiing the major source of hydrogen used for fuel cells today - methanol - and indeed the major product is water. Even more efficient hydrogen source will be used in the future. I just get that graphite and glitter feeling - it may take until 2076...
User: Randy | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message:
Quotes of the Week:
"Through violence you may murder a murderer, but you can't murder
murder.
Through violence you may murder a liar, but you can't establish
truth.
Through violence you may murder a hater, but you can't murder
hate.
Darkness cannot put out darkness. Only light can do that."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
"If you succumb to the temptation of using violence in the struggle, unborn generations will be the recipients of a long and desolate night of bitterness, and your chief legacy to the future will be an endless reign of meaningless chaos."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
"An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind."
- Mahatma Gandhi
"Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves."
- Larry McMurtry, 'Lonesome Dove'
"So together we'll endure the tyranny of the disallowed..."
- Steely Dan, 'West of Hollywood'
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: Lars | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: C¦mon Bill - you're a joke. It's guys like you that
give's other
us-people a bad rep in the rest of the world.
Howard - they probably speaks like the Stockholmians in Egypt too.
C - I bought some easy-reading for the weekend "The Penguin Guide to Jazz on CD" (1600 pages) and found an entry on Gunnar Bergsten (playing on some of Clas¦contris) - his latest cd (on Gullin) recieved the top rating (****).
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Bill: You're just jealous.
Black/white -- all the same in this particular case. Now, go ask an American of middle eastern descent.
Sue: Can't talk reason to the guy. Like a bull in a china closet. On/off, outrage or glee. Bet he fucks the same way too.
Mu: 4 Stroke high efficiency low emission. Still, I hear ya. But as I said
before I believe you can strike a balance between living life and doing the
right thing. Balance is important otherwise we're ALL hypocrites. Oh, and I have
a friend in the businesses of green power. He is an engineer for SMA America and
designs power supplies/transformers for solar arrays. He had something to say
about Fuel Cells being almost as bad for the environment as a gasoline burning
automobile. I'll find out more and let you know.
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Uhhh.
He's beginning to lose his patience baby.
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Clas,
Your grandfather started out the way you ended
up.
SueDave,
It's not a matter of the Seattle police being immigration
officers,
it's a matter of the Seattle police being able to arrest
criminals.
Illegal aliens are criminals you know. ILLEGAL aliens?
SueDave,
listen very carefully, "Illegal" means not legal.
Illegal bad, Legal good.
See? Sheesh...
***********************************************
Glad to see that Andy Metzger's site is back up.
I thought he had been
bumped off for posting "You got the bear" a
few months back. And they say
Donald and Walter have no mercy...pshaw!
"If It Rains" was another SD Tune
that could have been worked on and
released.
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: this is just so sad, i mean rally - is no one not suspect?
bink above or go here:
http://theonion.com/onion3903/un_orders_wonka.html
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Altamira, I am sorry. It was NOT my intention to minimize Thomas Kilmon's problem. You posted while I was writing.
OK. So, Molly, what happens. He started out brand new and fresh, with THE Sparkling Lemonade, the 6UP.
Guess what happens?
User: C @ W | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Anyway, Molly dear, he started over again. Bankrupt, but with a will stronger than it should be at his age... very well, to make a long story short, he talked some big wigs into the new project, gave the can a new fresh layout, and a brand new name; 6UP
And what happens?
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Mu--At least one member of my family was an illegal immigrant and members of my family have been on the dole. In 1647, my distant relative Thomas Kilmon came to this country from England as an indentured servant, but as the ship was pulling into harbor in Virginia, he jumped overboard, swam ashore, and ran away to avoid his indenture. My mother and her family received government aid for a while during the Depression.
User: Lady Bayside | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Thanks for the kind comments, Altamira, Aussie, W1P et al. It is nice to be back in the yellow. Not sure how long it will last, but since the boss is out once again, I can sneak onto his computer and get in a quick hello.
What a night! Core, Malcolm's group, just blew me away. There was a nice crowd...the room was filled but not uncomfortably so, and although the sound was a little muddy (vocals weren't as clear as I would have liked), they were terrific!
The new cd promises to be quite a treat...I can't wait to get a copy.
I was asked by some gentlemen I met whether I was Core's marketing director...perhaps it is just a hobby. In any event, they were wonderful.
LB
User: Howard | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Lars - no not Hans Blix, I was talking about the head of the UN's nuclear inspection team. He's an Egyptian - Mohamed ElBaradei.
Howard
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Howard - don't mind Lars, he's from Lund, that's the south of Sweden :-)
Aussie - yes, of course, how silly of me.
Molly? Aren't you curious to know what happened to my Grandpa's
Lemonade-projects?
User: Lars | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Howard: That UN guy is from Stockholm, Sweden. People from Stockholm have a well-known inability to speak english in a comprehensive way. We , the rest of the swedes, actually have problem to understand them even when they speak swedish.
L
User: Aussie | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Clas: No sir. Not Brainwashed. But this country is the free world. And, Dubya is its chief commanding officer.
Very truly yours,
Aus
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: He came up with a tremendously sparkling Lemonad, it tasted so good, he was thrilled, Grandma was thrilled, her Grandma was thrilled, in fact everybody was thrilled.
He tried to get it out on the market under the name 5UP.
He spent a lot of money, he spent a lot of time, working night and day, you know.
But the project went down the drain.
User: Howard | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Aussie: no no no, it's: NYOO - KLEE - ERR
And what about W's pronunciation of "terrorist"? What happens to that middle syllable? Comes out like "terrrrist"!
There was an interview on BBC Radio 4 yesterday with the chief of the UN inspection team for nuclear weapons. During the interview he said something about "being careful not to unleash a dangerous precedent". The funny thing is, he pronounced precedent as "president". No wait, maybe he DID actually mean to say "president"...?!
Howard
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Molly dear, did I ever tell you about my Grandpa? He started out as a very poor man. Two empty hands.
Did I tell you what he came up with?
User: Beerberian @ 10 | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Iraq Joins 'Gang of 8' to Avoid 'Weasels' Association
(2003-01-30) -- The Republic of Iraq today announced it would co-sign a
letter from eight European nations supporting U.S. plans to disarm Iraq.
A spokesman for Saddam Hussein said Iraq would stand with the gang of eight against his own nation "in order to avoid being associated with the so-called Axis of Weasels - Germany and France."
"There are somethings worse than being invaded," said the unnamed Iraqi spokesman. "We can recover from a war, but it would be difficult to live down that 'weasel' connection. Even when we buy weapons materials from France and Germany, we ask them to keep it quiet. People will talk, you know."
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: Aussie please, the leader of the "FREE" world? What's up man, are you brainwashed?
User: Aussie | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: My Lord. The leader of the free world can't even pronounce nuclear. It's NOO-KLEE-ERR.. NOT NOO-KYOO-LAR. He made this mistake more than five times during his State of the Union address.
Shameful.
Aus
post scriptte: Malcolm's group Core rocked the house last night. And it was nice tosee LadyBaySide anew.
User: Beerberian News Flash | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: U.S. President George Bush, in tomorrow night's speech, will announce he is scrapping plans for an invasion of Iraq because of the "new bond of trust" established between the two countries.
"Thanks to the United Nations inspections process," the speech begins, "A new bond of trust has developed between the United States and the Republic of Iraq. We can be assured that Iraq is clean. I really thought they had weapons of mass destruction, because they used to, but we know they're all gone, because the inspectors can't find them. What can I say? I was wrong. It's time to mend fences, and welcome Iraq back into the fellowship of peace-loving nations."
A leaked copy of the speech shows that Bush will publicly apologize to Saddam Hussein for "ever having doubted this respected world leader."
An unnamed White House source said Mr. Bush has called Mr. Hussein on the phone to concede his error and beg forgiveness. The Iraqi leader apparently welcomed the call, and said "No hard feelings."
The often-playful Mr. Bush even has a nickname now for the Iraqi president,
according to the source, "He calls him 'Hussy'."
User: SteveeSpeeelburger | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: W1P/Moll; "I was telling Milkman to get off Aja " ?? Have I walked into a dodgy porn movie shoot ?
User: 13 | Month: 0 | Day: 31
Message: ¦: Get a life.
User: suedave | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Aja, you are very funny when you aren't working, keep up the good no-work!
Pat, cute boat. I liked the Janie Runaway suggestion. Or you could go with Big Red. Elegance & function. Bunsen Prize. It would kick ass if it did run on a fuel cell. Any manufacturers out there? Why the fuck not? Let's stay dependent on oil, ok you guys?
Floridavid, thanks for the Todd report, makes me think of days past, long long past unfortunately....but brings a smile to my face anyways.
Looks like it is getting a bit political 'round here again. I like that, because this is a rare place where one can say their peace without getting interrupted. That rings of freedom, dontchathink?
Bill, since when do the Seattle police need to become immigration officers? There have been tens of millions of immigrants in the US for years. What was the name of that white guy who blew up the Federal building in Oklahoma? It isn't just foreigners that cause problems, it is people who have too much anger. The folks from 9/11 did get our attention though. What have we decided to do with that new information? Go make war. That'll help those extremists not want to do anything to us, you know?
Susan
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: especially if the tires run over the testicles...
StAL: Does your new boat run on a FUEL CELL rather than a 2 cycle outboard spewing oil and gas into Puget Sound???
...and my ancestors and yours were LEGAL immigrants I bet, not on the dole nor taking flight lessons in Florida...
...I am concerned about internet and e-mail monitoring of American Citizens by the Pentagon. My e-mail is monitored - the the resident bureaucracy. Two faculty members were called to task a couple of years ago for passing around political memos by e-mail - I'm not kidding! That's why the GB is a whacky beacon of freedom...
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: I was telling Milkman to get off Aja -- to my knowledge you (Moll) have never taken Aja to task for her support of TSD.
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Pat,
The three references you gave are completely unreliable. Thier
leftist
slant and militant stance it far too extreme. I can't get past all
the angry exclamation points.
I have come to the conclusion that you aren't a liberal democrat at
all.
Rather, you are an anarchist. You don't care for order. You don't
care
for peace. You can't stand to see people happy (especially white male
people). And basically you're complete nuts.
And speaking of the white male perspective, I mentioned the Seattle
"Don't
Ask" policy on immigration to a couple of black guys while
I was online at
Home Depot yesterday, THEY WERE OUTRAGED. Therefore
your blanket statement on
white-maleness rings a bit hollow. You see
there are no colors for ideas.
They're either right or wrong.
Also, isn't it enough that you own two hydrocarbon-spewing vehicles
already? Do you have to pollute our oceans with your new boat?
What a
hypocrit you really are old buddy. Shouldn't you quit your
job and give up
your six and a half figure salary to go serve in
the Peace Corps instead?
You zany anarchist...
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: W1P, I've never posted anything about Aja. I think that it is very cowardly to post anonymously. While she and I have vastly different opinions and taste.. I don't personalize our differences.
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: When it comes to matters of Pink Floyd no one gets any slack -- not even my almost 3 year old (I have to keep punishing her for saying "I don't wanna be another brick in the wall"). As for the Cure they are awesome -- I love the doom and gloom and whining and the guitar playing (hey, if its good enough for Jimmy Page, its good enough for me). But hey, consider the source -- I nominated Van Halen as one of the 10 most influential bands of all time.
Oh and get off Aja -- there's nothing wrong with The Steely Damned and its certainly unfair to try to belitle her by suggesting she likes the tribute band better than the real thing. Oh, and even if she did, so what? To be quite honest with you, in some cases (1) I prefer the way TSD plays the arrangements on the albums instead of some of the arrangements Walt/Don choose on tour; (2) I prefer Hank Easton to Herringbone or whatever his name is (see I can misspell 'em too) and (3) I prefer TSD's setlist to SDs -- King of the World, Second Arrangement, Caves etc. So now that you know this you can continue to scroll past my posts or even flame away to get the satisfaction of convincing others to scroll past my posts.
User: BTW | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: There is a guitarist out named David Gilmore. A black guy. He's pretty decent. M
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Hey W1P, sorry I got Gilmour's name wrong. Considering they were played as "oldies" by the time I became interested in music.... I think you should cut me some slack...At least I wasn't listening to The Cure or Duran Duran..in the 80s. We nicknamed the guy that sung with the Cure "crybaby", and for some reason a guy who wore more eye make-up than I did never appealed to me.
Bumper sticker: If it has tires or testicles, it's bound to give you trouble
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Just close the door George Michael:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$IZFDOXAZS4DYRQFIQMFSFGGAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2003/01/30/nabus30.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/01/30/ixportal.html
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Lady Bayside--It's good to see you here again.
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: St. Al--That's cute! I hope you have a wonderful time with it. I've been thinking about buying a kayak to use in the Anacostia, a quiet, shallow river near where I live that runs through parkland and has lots of turtles and birds.
User: The Milkman | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Aja- Here is a good bummper sticker for your car.
"I'd rather be at a Steely Damned show than at a Steely Dan show"
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Hello Lady Bayside, good to see your smiling face!
User: Aja.............STILL not working | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Yet another bumper sticker for your car: "I'd rather be riding a Steely Dan".
Sorry. Back to being unproductive.
Aja
User: test | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: test
User: bad sneakers | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: St Al I would name the boat one of the following:-
The grand wazoo
Cozmic debris
Joes garage
Janie Runaway
Peace on
earth
Next stop iraq ? - i digress
etc - you get the picture - looks cool though
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Duncan -- email me at the above address. Let's discuss stickers...
Ok, I'm a pig. I went and did it. I bought boat. This time much smaller, more economical and more prctical than the one I previously owned...
Can you name boats this small?
http://www.searay.com/products/model.asp?p=2001&category=1&model=176BR
Gotta love those boat shows. Walk in and smell that gelcoat. It's a wonderful thing.
StAl
User: db | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Angel: just re-arrange these words...it will make more
sense
grapes & sour.
I hope the new one has some hit singles ''poppy'' like on it.
i'de love to
be able to walk into my local record store & ask for the latest hit single
by steely dan.
good news on that front also.
i have a contact in the local cd store
!!!
''It's a cd store for local people''
we'll have nothing of that in
here
he used to be a barman in the pub i frequent every friday night.
''sure i'll text you when i get the news''
killing time now !!!
User: steelydoubt | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: i have my Md Recorder (sony mz-n505) all ready for recording piano jazz when it airs and i hope other people record it in case of any unexpected stuff.
User: angel | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Found some interesting articles while Googling today. This first one is a review of Mose Allison, and mentions Donald Fagen.
"... Allison has a strained but tuneful way of spitting out his words that prefigured the world-weary delivery of Donald Fagen and Randy Newman."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/reviews/story/0,11712,876297,00.html
This next one is from the MTV site, regarding feedback on the Grammy nominations. I find the comment on Steely Dan very interesting. Amazing how people who don't know any better, can revise history.
"Then again, Eminem already has five golden gramophones in his trophy
case (though none in the big four categories), and the Recording Academy did
grant an Album of the Year Grammy to Steely Dan in 2001, for Two Against Nature,
which featured the song "Cousin Dupree," about incest. But old guards like
Donald Fagen and Walter Becker have always had Grammy odds in their favor, which
is why Springsteen stands such a good shot. And even if The Eminem Show doesn't
win for Album of the Year and "Without Me" doesn't lay claim to Record of the
Year, Eminem is likely to make good on at least one of his other three
nominations."
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1459436/20030108/eminem.jhtml?headlines=true
User: partch | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Steely Dan?
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Bill: You take this stuff way too personal.
I'll direct you
here:
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=1307
and here:
http://www.extremeashcroft.com/index.asp
and here:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/
Ashcroft (and Bush) is a menace to the civil liberties of all Americans. Including the white ones like you. But what do you have to worry for? You're *obviously* a white MALE American.
What makes this country great is the fact the federal government can't always get away with this shit. Check and balances, man. Again, I'll remind you that the Seattle City Council's reaction was a bit extreme, however, it was necessary in the face of Assholecroft.
Oh, and another thing that makes this country great -- it's previous immigration policies. We are truly a model where multiple cultures can live together (not perfect by any means) and prosper. Don't forget that Anglo-dude. Ashcroft certainly has...
If you think for a minute that previous immigration policies are at the root of the problems of 9/11 you, once again, aren't looking at the big picture. Sure, modifications are necessary, but it ain't *the* problem.
StAl
User: C @ W | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: And one more thing Pat, Bill is running out of patience.
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Pat,
Ashcroft isn't my buddy and I'm not a Republican.
What "extreme measures" are you responding to?
Secondly, would you mind
responding to them in a way that won't get
us all killed? The actions of the
Seattle city council are beyond
outrageous, they're obscene. Hopefully the
federal courts will reverse
this very stupid rule as it is in complete
defiance of the federal
immigration laws. The city of Seattle will enfore the
immigration
law on the local level whether it wants to or not. It's "Don't
Ask"
policy on immigration shames us all.
Unfortunately, your city is a complete waste of American dirt.
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Hi everyone!
My Viking,I thought we agreed no more
posting while intoxicated :) You can keep the leather coat and body art lover. I
was referring to the helmet with horns and breast plate that Stevee Dan was
describing on Kate Bush. I won't even wear push up bras for fear of putting
someone's eye out, so breast plates are a definite no-no...lol. I love you.
*kisses~~~~*
User: LB | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Sure, I finally get to go into chat and it's like a wasteland in there. The wind is whistling, tumbleweeds are blowing by...am I the only unmotivated person at their job today?
LB
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: That is on 34th Street East, right?
User: Lady Bayside | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: I am writing to urge, nay, to compel all those local to NYC and its environs to attend the aforementioned show tonight: Core at Coda. I am certainly going to be there: I have secured an early departure from my office to attempt the commute to NYC, and am stiving for at least two solid hours of the event.
These guys are excellent! Having seen them before, I must say that this is not to be missed. I can say this in all honesty, whereas Malcolm/YGK just sounds like he is blowing smoke up your collective proverbial skirts. I'm also happy to say that they are performing in a great location (ie, not the BRONX, as was the last gig I attended) and I think that anyone who can should get over there.
Thus ends the public service diatribe part of this message.
That being said, I am counting the days til that shining date in May.
Looking forward to the gig, and to hopefully seeing some of my old friends and some new as well.
LB
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: And I saw Bill had this small bumpersticker on his Bike (when he had a Bike that is):
"Give me a brake"
User: duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: for the UK GB'ers
www.wbgo.org
''Dear ******,
I hope I am able to help. GMT isn't too commonly used in
the US, but I looked it up on a web site and Eastern time in the states
corresponds to 0500 GMT. Central time, 0600 GMT. Mountain time is 0700 GMT and
Pacific time is 0800 GMT. So if it is midnight here (I am eastern time), does
that mean it is 5:00 AM in the UK?
The best thing to do, I think, would be
to scout out a station. For example, tonight on WBGO out of Newark, NJ (eastern
time) Piano Jazz airs at 7:00 pm. So, if the above calculations are correct, you
should be able to hear the show between Midnight and 1AM. Of course, if that is
too late for you, I'm sure you can find another station that airs PJ in our
afternoon, your evening, or in our morning, your afternoon. Again, our web site,
www.pianojazz.org should have all the programming information including times
and time zones.
The Steely Dan program begins airing on Feb 11th and
unfortunately, it will not be available to listen to after it has been
broadcast. Stations have roughly a two week period in which to air the Piano
Jazz program, so you may be able to listen once on one station, and find the
program again on another station, the next week.
We will surely rebroadcast
this program at some point, but I cannot tell you when. Most likely it will be
at least a year before it is rebroadcast.
I hope that helps. Good luck in
your search.
***** ****
Production Assistant''
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: I think Howards link must be posted here, doesn't this whining neighbor in the aricle sound just like our friend Private Bill?
Listen:
Terry Jones
Sunday January 26, 2003
The Observer
I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing Iraq: he's
running out of patience. And so am I!
For some time now I've been really
pissed off with Mr Johnson, who lives a couple of doors down the street. Well,
him and Mr Patel, who runs the health food shop. They both give me queer looks,
and I'm sure Mr Johnson is planning something nasty for me, but so far I haven't
been able to discover what. I've been round to his place a few times to see what
he's up to, but he's got everything well hidden. That's how devious he is.
As for Mr Patel, don't ask me how I know, I just know - from very good sources - that he is, in reality, a Mass Murderer. I have leafleted the street telling them that if we don't act first, he'll pick us off one by one.
Some of my neighbours say, if I've got proof, why don't I go to the police? But that's simply ridiculous. The police will say that they need evidence of a crime with which to charge my neighbours.
They'll come up with endless red tape and quibbling about the rights and wrongs of a pre-emptive strike and all the while Mr Johnson will be finalising his plans to do terrible things to me, while Mr Patel will be secretly murdering people. Since I'm the only one in the street with a decent range of automatic firearms, I reckon it's up to me to keep the peace. But until recently that's been a little difficult. Now, however, George W. Bush has made it clear that all I need to do is run out of patience, and then I can wade in and do whatever I want!
And let's face it, Mr Bush's carefully thought-out policy towards Iraq is the only way to bring about international peace and security. The one certain way to stop Muslim fundamentalist suicide bombers targeting the US or the UK is to bomb a few Muslim countries that have never threatened us.
That's why I want to blow up Mr Johnson's garage and kill his wife and children. Strike first! That'll teach him a lesson. Then he'll leave us in peace and stop peering at me in that totally unacceptable way.
Mr Bush makes it clear that all he needs to know before bombing Iraq is that Saddam is a really nasty man and that he has weapons of mass destruction - even if no one can find them. I'm certain I've just as much justification for killing Mr Johnson's wife and children as Mr Bush has for bombing Iraq.
Mr Bush's long-term aim is to make the world a safer place by eliminating 'rogue states' and 'terrorism'. It's such a clever long-term aim because how can you ever know when you've achieved it? How will Mr Bush know when he's wiped out all terrorists? When every single terrorist is dead? But then a terrorist is only a terrorist once he's committed an act of terror. What about would-be terrorists? These are the ones you really want to eliminate, since most of the known terrorists, being suicide bombers, have already eliminated themselves.
Perhaps Mr Bush needs to wipe out everyone who could possibly be a future terrorist? Maybe he can't be sure he's achieved his objective until every Muslim fundamentalist is dead? But then some moderate Muslims might convert to fundamentalism. Maybe the only really safe thing to do would be for Mr Bush to eliminate all Muslims?
It's the same in my street. Mr Johnson and Mr Patel are just the tip of the iceberg. There are dozens of other people in the street who I don't like and who - quite frankly - look at me in odd ways. No one will be really safe until I've wiped them all out.
My wife says I might be going too far but I tell her I'm simply using the same logic as the President of the United States. That shuts her up.
Like Mr Bush, I've run out of patience, and if that's a good enough reason for the President, it's good enough for me. I'm going to give the whole street two weeks - no, 10 days - to come out in the open and hand over all aliens and interplanetary hijackers, galactic outlaws and interstellar terrorist masterminds, and if they don't hand them over nicely and say 'Thank you', I'm going to bomb the entire street to kingdom come.
It's just as sane as what George W. Bush is proposing - and, in contrast to what he's intending, my policy will destroy only one street.
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Does anyone here watch "The Shield" on FX? It's really fun.
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Bill: Our city is simply reacting to the extreme measures your buddy John Ashcroft is enacting upon the citizens of the United States in the name of national security. Well, Seattle just gave your buddy John Ashcroft the middle finger.
WOO HOO!
And I'm not going to debate this issue on a point by point basis. Suffice to say (your buddy) John Ashcroft is out-of-control and the Seattle City Council resolution you mention is a reaction to this government running amuck. Both sides do more harm than good in the long run. Call it a check and balance. Somewhere in the middle would be nice.
StAl
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Bill: Could you believe it when W announce a big R&D program for Fuel Cells!! Only Juan Williams and I seemed to see the same speech - the first half was centrist when averaged and almost Clintonian...The help for AIDS in Africa is vital...6 million and many are children...When I saw the collective YAWN by Congress at the announcement of the fuel cell initiative which would greatly reduce oil consumption, pollution, CO2...it's clear that nothing has changed since Mr. Smith went to Washington (but that's like saying professional wrestling is fake)...let's put term limits on these morons...
The second half was emotional/stressed and the case was made for danger, but NOT for war, though the polls and pundits say otherwise...
...the sarin gas incident in the mosque in Britain is especially troubling, since only Iraq is capable of making the stuff... The real evidence will be left to Powell on the 5th...and Powell is really pissed after being blindsided by the French...
...just hope it's over before May 6th...
13: Facts are stubborn things (where are yours? Who played in the 1977 title game? 1987? 1993?) - the record of the Big 12/8 in the NCAAs in the last 25 years is public and abysmal. It's a Very, Very long time since Wilt the stilt... Danny Manning and Kansas did take a team in 1988 that was out the top 20 and made a great run to the top beating conference rival Oklahoma with King, Grant, and Price...and a Roy Williams team was outmanned in 1991 by a Duke squad that had upset UNLV two days before - the UNLV-Duke game was possibly more interesting than the Duke-Kentucky Regional finals the following year (the one with the Laettner shot after the Grant Hill length of the floor pass)...given that UNLV was undefeated and had a winning margin of over 20 points per game...
I simply sorted into current conferences - Conference USA didn't exist in 1977 either, nor the Big East, and the ACC had 2 fewer teams - what's your point? It didn't take any time at all....just a big fan of college ball and don't have to look it up...now, football - that's another story...the things that pass for logic I can't understand...I dub thee yet another anon moronic coward...YAWN....just poking fun at the folks around me - if I had thrown a yuk or barb at Garth Brooks, you'd be defending him? LOL
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: david in the florida room - thanks for sharing your todd evening, how's things?
as long as we are posting bumper stickers, one that really threw me in this politically correct world we live in was this one:
AA is for quitters
now i know i'm not supposed to laugh, but i do anyway, in a closet somewhere holding a martini - sorry...
User: Beerberian | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Dunc; Thx for that works a treat ... when is THE event scheduled ?
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: Seattle should be officially declared insane.
Last night while listening to the news I was informed that the
Seattle
city council has now made it ILLEGAL for a police officer to
ask
whether a person is in this country legally or not! The Seattle city
council refers to this policy as the "Don't Ask" policy on immigration
enforcement. The city council passed this legistlation 9 to 0...
There are apparently those in this country who have learned
ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING from the events of 9/11/2001. Maybe the illegals will
repay
Seattle next time, rather than New York, by turning it into a
large
radioactive crater? We can only hope...
What say you Pat?
User: duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 30
Message: UK'ers Here's the address for the npr live streaming
''radio show''
best to try it out first.
http://www.npr.org/audiohelp/progstream.html
User: Fluke | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: Best Bumper Stickers:
"My other car is on my husband"
"I brake for the hell of it"
"If you don't like my driving stay off the sidewalk!"
"My child is an idiot and your tax dollars proved it."
**And Finally**
"Don't drink and drive. You may hit a bump and spill it."
User: Bumperstickers? | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: I made one for my wifes car; "Kamakiriad"
(She likes growing seeds and stuff in the backseat.)
And one for one of the former regulars here;
"My other Car is a Steely Dan"
She came up with that one herself. I think that was a funny one.
C
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: ET - phone home.
User: 13th Man | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: ¦: You remain an obnoxious blow-hard with way too much time on your hands. The Big 12 wasn't around in 1977 but there you go again manipulating data to serve your argument. I crown thee "Right Wing Huey" and hope TNO throws you out with the bath-water.
No One told me Steroids were illegal,
13
User: Floridavid | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: Hi All, In case anybody was wondering....
Todd
Rundgren was great last night. It was just Todd playing acoustic guitar or Grand
Piano (Nicely mic'd up of course). And singing a bunch of his songs. Both Solo
and Utopia Material. His voice was strong as hell and he seem to have a lot of
fun. He ended the night with 4 songs from "With a Twist". Last years CD where he
plays covers of his most well known songs in a Bossa Nova style. He had tracks
minus his vocal as MP3 files on a player.We really enjoyed seeing and hearing
him. Okay, that's it ...bye.
User: Beerberian ... endorsing | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: AND: I can confirm that Duncan makes especially graphically pleasing AND very sticky ...yes VERY sticky STICKERS >>> long live the DSO ... well @ least on my back windy ... why aye man !! ... hands across the border man
User: fezo | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: Jimbo: There can still be justice for Winnebago in the reign of George II. Enough campaign contributions and a retroactive liability immunity bill will magically appear for his ready signature.
They just need to ramp their contributions up to Eli Lilly levels.
User: arlean | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message:
Don't you guys know where to go to have some fun and
get your favorite bumper stickers.........
http://www.gwbush.com/store/ or hit the above link.
User: Lawyers in Love | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: That Winnebago story may be apocryphal because I can find no record of it on Lexis or nor any reliable record on google. However, if it is true I'm sure that Winnebago will take an appeal and the injustice (assuming the truth of the facts as articulated below) will be corrected. This type of decision is horrifying to me as a product liability lawyer. Many jurors do not like "corporations" and punish them without justification. On the other hand, many corporations act unethically and deserve punishment. The Courts are there to try to make sure the guilty get punished, the negligent pay for what they caused, the innocent are not held reponsibile and the victims get that to which they are entitled and no more. Like any human institution, it don't always work out the way it should.
User: duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: durrrrrrrrrr... I produce stickers for a living.
how
many do you want ?
or banyantrees.net rear window stickers.
User: Aja...................more politics as usual | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: St Al-if you find it, post the link-I'm sure most of us would want one!
Aja
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: Bill, Jimbo: Sounds like a variation on an urban legend to me. Man gets up to eat lunch while moving down the highway in his motorhome... First heard that one about 20 years ago.
Aja -- I am going to seek out that village idiot bumpersticker. I'll let you know if I find a source. Too funny.
StAl
User: jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: A man wins $1.7 million just for leaving the drivers seat in his winnebago ON THE FRIGGIN' HIGHWAY and thus himself causing the crash.
AND A JURY BELIEVED HIS STUPID STORY?
With this, the reality shows, corporate corruption and George Jr in the house, this country will get more stupid each day.
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: ha aja - today in the village i saw on a bumper sticker:
bush for lawn ornament
User: Aja...................more politics as usual | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: Two great bumper stickers I've seen lately:
"Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot."
"Regime change begins at home!"
Aja
User: Howard | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message:
angel - Yes, I think it is the ex-Python Terry
Jones.
Howard
User: Drew | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: Molly- phone me.
User: Another example of your legal system at work | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: Mr. Merv Grazinsky of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma purchased
a brand new
32 foot Winnebago motorhome. On his first trip home, having
driven
onto the freeway, he set the cruise control at 70 miles per hour
and
calmly left the drivers seat to go into the back and make himself
a
cup of coffee. Not suprisingly, the motorhome left the freeway,
crashed
and overturned.
Mr. Grazinsky sued Winnebago for not advising him that he could
not
actually do this. The jury awarded him $1,750,000 dollars plus a
new
motorhome. The company actually changed thier manuals on the
basis of this
suit, just in case there were any other complete morons
buying thier
recreation vehicles...
Bill - heading over the the Winnebago dealer as we speak...
(Actually, Mr. Grazinsky recieved $1,750,000 dollars out of this.
Who are
the real morons?)
User: angel | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: Howard: Funny article. Is the writer the Terry Jones from Monty Python?
My feeling on songs is that they might wait until we see what Bush does in February, before they do any major PR stuff on the site. Kind of like, everyone is holding their breath, during February.
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message: That one was hilarious Howard.
"Mr Bush's long-term aim is to make the world a safer place by eliminating 'rogue states' and 'terrorism'. It's such a clever long-term aim because how can you ever know when you've achieved it? How will Mr Bush know when he's wiped out all terrorists? When every single terrorist is dead? But then a terrorist is only a terrorist once he's committed an act of terror. What about would-be terrorists? These are the ones you really want to eliminate, since most of the known terrorists, being suicide bombers, have already eliminated themselves."
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FlaDave - I never said that Lawson was just OK, it was another fellow. I was just discussing principles with StAl.
User: Howard | Month: 0 | Day: 29
Message:
So, how many days till May 6th now... can someone
get a countdown clock set up maybe?
When will soundclips appear on the ODP I wonder? I'd love to get a sneak preview around March time. Fingers crossed.
With apologies to those not interested in the Iraq thing (or at least to whose who don't want it taking up too much space here), here's an interesting link:
http://www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,882527,00.html (or use homepage link above right)
"I'm losing patience with my neighbours, Mr Bush"
Terry Jones
Sunday January 26, 2003
The Observer
I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing
Iraq: he's
running out of patience. And so am I!
(see link for full text)
Howard
User: Mike | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Hey! My local NPR station just recently (within the last couple of weeks) dropped Piano Jazz. Can someone please tape this for me? Somebody hook me up while I picket the locals.
¦: You can't talk college hoops without bringing up the Kentucky Wildcats. And the "pride" of the Big-12 Kansas - whatever. Take out yur Division II and III wins and your all-time total would probably drop under 100. Win a few games against the Cats ( U.K. leads the all time series 19-3) and maybe you can say something.
El Sup (The Original)
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: I am unaware of any band featuring either David Gilmore or Donald Fagan as a member. The Gilmore Girls is a pretty cool show (I say that only because one of my friends is an associate producer)
The Austrailian Pink Floyd show at the Sunset Strip House of Blues on 2/6/03
User: The Viking | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Babes-I thought you dug my leather waistcoat and tattoo
look-o bugger, back to the wardrobe again. Unfortunatlely I have been pining for
your touch, your kiss, your love so long that I have actually grown the beard,
but thats easily remedied with a Gillete Mach 3. Scoop me in, I'm still here, my
stupid ultimatums were all worth the air they were written on, I hereupon bend
creakily down upon one knee and ask you again you babe-marry me Darling, it's
gotta be worth it, at least for the laugh, I Love You and no other, surely it
can't be a bad thing to have a fella promise to rub your feet every evening no
matter how bad they might smell.
Sail away with me Honey, you hold my heart
in your hands, sail away with me honey now, now............
O hello
Banyantrees folk - how are you all doin? Stop listenin it's
rude..................................................
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Hey All!
Sue, I LOVE Jeff Beck. I got to see him in
concert when I was 19.. He was amazing. I like most kinds of music except what
is termed as Country nowadays and most rap. Lately I've been listening to some
Metal and Alternative. My Viking and I have been swapping tunes. It's fun
discovering music I normally wouldn't have listened to. I like Eric Clapton. He
doesn't get much mention here on the yellow. Perhaps he is too mainstream? I
love his blues and accoustical playing.
Stevee, Wasn't Kate Bush discovered
by David Gilmore? Think I heard that somewhere. She also sang on a song with
Peter Gabriel if I recall.. " Games Without Frontiers" I've never listened to
her stuff though. No reason.. just kinda indifferent I suppose. Check out the
movie " Reign of Fire" and Matthew McConaughey's character. My guy resembles
him, except Pete is a bit larger in stature. I can't see me in Viking attire.
I've made fashion mistakes but not to that extreme..LMAO Hi to Mrs. Stevee and
kisses to your little man.
BB, I'm sorry we didn't get to talk longer. It
sounds like they gave a wonderful performance. I am very happy to know our
friend is doing better. Please give him my regards.
My Viking, the joke about
the Postman sounds very much like your humor.Hmn?!! *kisses~~~~~~~~*
My
friend who calls me Wing, Remember It's time to survive babe. I'll keep you in
my thoughts.
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: clas - can you take ¦ with you -please ???
User: The Nightfly | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: How's that ,Ian?
Eric
User: Aja.........making posting look like working | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Hey Malc! Thanks-I was the one wearing the yellow singlet ;o) Best of luck with your opener-sure wish I was there!!!!!!!!!
Aja
User: Beerberian | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Steveedan; You Should get over here mate The Guys were/are Marvels ...Even a squonk woulda cried his eyes out !!
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: ¦ - OK, that's it. Goodbye.
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: GO SU!!!!
Big East baby!
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: C: Ya promise?
Here's my sports beef - I'm sick of these cowp¦kes 'round here buying this crap about Big Twelve basketball as the best conference:
Here are the key facts:
In the quarter Century from 1977-2003 the number of teams in the NCAA finals from major conferences are as follows:
ACC: 14
SEC: 8
Big Ten: 8
Big East: 8
Conference USA: 5
Pac
Ten: 4
Big 12: 3
Others: Utah, Indiana State (i.e., Larry Bird)
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: YGK - 34th street?
Wow! I remember that street. YMCA was/is located between 33rd and 34th. West.
User: YGK - Shameless Plug | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Yeah, well how about that Super Bowl, eh? Aja? Super
Bowl Super Bowl Super Bowl!
I sojourned to the lovely town of Ridgewood, NJ
and mixed with local dignitaries, visited my bud's new Manse and saw his 2
adorable chillin.....
Meanwhile, we polled each other re: the best looking bikers to surround
Qualcomm stadium utilizing our friends skycam from his chopper with extra
zoom.
Had I known you were going to be pedaling the coast, Aja, you would've
surely gotten major props!
Also, those local to NYC, this Thursday is the debut gig of my new band,
Core, at the fabulous new Coda on 34th Street off Madison.
deets below - hope
all local to NYC can make it.
Hopefully, Aus & Entourage, Lady Bayside
and crew, and the Gs! Others?
"New Soul Blues and Jazz trio "Core" will perform a mixture of new originals and blues standards at Coda, 34 East 34th Street, (between Madison & Fifth Avenues), Thursday, January 30th, from 5-8:30 PM. 212.685.3434"
ygk
User: Floridavid | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Mrs. Floridavid and I are going up to Clearwater/St. Pete tonight to see Todd Rundgren.At a small and acoustically wonderful venue...Ruth Eckerd Hall. Looking forward to it...He's actually playing sort of unplugged with another guitarist he brings along named Jesse Gress...he's worked with Todd a while. But we don't care...with Todd's songs,The Wizardry shows through.
Ricky Lawson's drumming is "OK"? Talk about understating it. If he's just ok...I must really suck. He was very cool the couple of times we've met. Just regular guys talking about music and such. Clas , visit his website and check out his studio...this is an accomplished man. And his playing with the YellowJackets,etc.....well, it speaks for itself.
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: If you don't shut the fuck up now about that Super Bowl I am going home. And I aint coming back!
Just so you know what you're dealing with.
User: Aja.................catching up on my lurking | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: The best part of the Super Bowl was the weather! 80 degrees and beautiful-I skipped the game and biked up the coast instead-LOL!
Happy belated B-Days to everyone I missed!
Aja
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: But the question still remains:
If you say that Jackson Browne is a boring singer/songwriter, do you think you would change your mind if you met him?
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: StAl - Yeah, actually it does. It means 600 bucks for a solo, and I couldn't afford it. So I had to let the guitarplaying stay in the family, which probably was a good thing.
I guess you weren't up to meet Lawson for hire him for a gig?
No. You were there for standing next to him while your friend took pictures. Right?
And hearing the word "hypocrite" from a gringo is quite amusing.
Fuck off now, I have work to do.
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Clas: Does the name Georg Wadenius mean anything to you? Hypocrite...
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: I finally have a DVD player. I bought a Toshiba DVD player yesterday, hooked it up last night and rented Star Wars Episode 2. If not the movie, but for the added features. Also rented: Sex and The City Season 1. The DVD player rocks.
If I do get the 2vN DVD, are there some added features that I couldn't get on regular tape? Let me know.
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: I think Sting and Gwen worked out their parts in advance and tried to keep Gwen in her range. It was Sting's damn song, but it was her damn band and I think they did a credible job. Incredible show tomorrow night in LA
Wayne Kramer Band
Featuring Mike Keneally and Doug Lunn
With Special
Guest John Sinclair
Wednesday, January 29, 2002
The Baked Potato
3787
Cahuenga Blvd.
North Hollywood, CA 91604
(818) 980-1615
Open at 7:00
PM
Shows: 9:30 and 11:30
User: SteveeDan | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Oh-OH, my anti-semanticism is showing ... to Beerberian
I meant to say:
"Elated to HEAR that Fingers Shotan made the scene too.
SteveeDan
User: Steveedan | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: LP -- what you said about Gwen Stefani and Sting is right on the money. I mean, she's cute in a grungy way, but next to Sting, she looks like a disorderly child. And Sting, who I think acts a bit pretentious at times appeared to be gracious and suave in that SuperBore duet.
Congrats to Beerberian and the U.K. Dan tribute contingent. Keep those home fires burning. Elated to here that Fingers Shotan made the scene too. I hope things continue to improve over there across the pond.
Duncan - that googlism.com thing was a hoot. I looked up some other names and fell down laughing at some of what came back. Good digging. Say hi to L and D for me.
Molly - all this talk about Vikings and I never thought to ask you if you were familiar with English singer/songwriter/performer Kate Bush. She had this one album cover where she is wearing a Viking horned helmet and a shiny metal breastplate. In her day, she was quite the rave. I hope you and JJ are doing OK-OK.
Steveedan
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: But it's pretty cool that you've met a celebrity Pat. You US-Americans are impressed with such things, I have heard.
User: Strange... | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: The guy is saying:
"Glad to see that Ricky Lawson isn't on the new disc. His drumming is okay, but just not enough variety. His two drum solos in the first 4 live songs in 2000 wasn't pretty even if most of the crowd loved it. He also has an ego rivaling Bernard Perdie. Off with the showboating, I say and on with some serious musicianship."
And StAl's saying; "Have you ever met him? He's the nicest guy bla bla..."
StAl's saying "Jackson Browne is boring and he sucks..."
I go: "Have you ever met him? He's the nicest guy bla bla..."
C
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Beerb - the DC? As in Washington DC? Man, now you've got me all screwed up... I thought you said Nottinghill?
User: Beerberian in the chair | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Clas; Go on I'll even buy ya a pint ... You cannot fail to be impressed with The DC
Eric; Hi Again ... flight back OK ? Anything sooner than the 29th ?
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: angel: but did you notice that sting actually showed a little class when singing with the classless and obviously not professionally voice-trained gwen when he started harmonizing with her since she didn't know enough to let him take the lead and harmonize with him since its his damn song...
pretty funny stuff if you ask me
User: StAlphonzo | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Different Drummer: Ricky Lawson with a big ego? Have you ever met him? I doubt it. He is one of the most cordial musicians I've ever met. Sure, he has a reason to posses a large ego but I've never witnessed it in any of the meetings I've had with him.
Aussie: I wondered about that. Consider it fixed. Only one other person left the Beatles off their list. I'd love to hear the argument for leaving the Beatles off a most influential artist list?
The Super Bowl was the first football game I've watched in about 10 years. Now I know why I don't waste my time anymore...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
Pat
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Sorry, can't make it.
User: Eric Kelly | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: The Golden Fleece, 105 Mansfield Road, Nottingham, UK
The Dan Collective are at pains to thank everyone who had a dantastic night.
We're back again on Saturday, 29 March, 2003 @ 9.00.
You have been warned.
Eric (Sound Engineer, Dublin)
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Rob Meany - a NEW cover band?
Man, that's great news. Exactly what we need.
User: C @ W | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: LP - ooops, sorry, "muscle".
User: different drummer | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Everything Must Go?
Glad to see that Ricky Lawson isn't on the new disc. His drumming is okay, but just not enough variety. His two drum solos in the first 4 live songs in 2000 wasn't pretty even if most of the crowd loved it. He also has an ego rivaling Bernard Perdie. Off with the showboating, I say and on with some serious musicianship.
User: C @ W | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Lars - counting down yes. It will be great hearing them open the show with "The Night Inside Me".
It will be nice with some serious stuff instead of having to sit on this retarded board all day long, I tell you that.
Rob Meany - sorry, there's no sound card on this old ham computer. It used to be one, but that one was in mono, with an awful dolby sourround-strange-kind-of-shit. Kansas sounded like Le Roux. So I gave it that "one strike and your audi", you know what I am talking about here don't you?
LP - great shit about the oysters there, cold eh?
User: Aussie | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Tones: All over the new Crim bro. Thanks for heads up. I think they start their new tour in Japan. Naturally, I'll be at every show when they swing by New York.
St. Al: It ocurred to me that I made a critical omission when submitting my top ten list. I would remove Jethro Tull and insert the Beatles. So tough with such a terse finite numbre.
The superbowl this year sucked. Even the advertisements were a notable calibre below past years' standards. Much ado about nada.
Happy Tuesday everybody.
Aus
User: BB | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Dunc; Mail server down again mate ?
User: Beerberian with the weather | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: UK; Today will be changeable ... No shit !! we just had Blue Sky, Rain, Hail, Thunder & Lightening , and back to ol Mr Blue Sky in 20 mins ...
User: duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: quite funny
http://www.googlism.com/who_is/f/fagen/
User: Steveedan | Month: 0 | Day: 28
Message: Hutch -- thanks for posting the link to that 1996 interview. Very entertaining. One segment of that interview that I found profoundly interesting was the following "Q & A":
"... Are we stuck in some kind of '70s space/time continuum this summer with Kiss, Patti Smith, the Sex Pistols and you guys on the road?
Fagen: My stepson, who has expressed zero interest in coming to our gigs this year, begged me to see if I could get four tickets to Kiss. ..."
There's always a little truth in everything isn't there?
That would be my
Q.
Steveedan
User: Rob Meany | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: Hey folks:
I'm in a Minneapolis band called Terramara. Listeners are
constantly
comparing our sound with the illustrious Steely Dan. We are not
worthy,
but I would admit the influence and there are definitely similarities
in
style. That said I thought I would spread the word and see what members of
the Dan Fandom think. We have mp3s and other info up on our sites:
http://www.mp3.com/terramara
http://www.cdbaby.com/terramara
http://www.terramara.com
Any feedback or tongue lashings are welcome.
Rob Meany
Terramara
P.S. If you are in near the Minneapolis/St. Paul, you may want to check out a
new Steely Dan cover band called Steely Band. They are a thirteen-piece and
really pull it off.
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: The Super Bowl was ok. Sting and No Doubt rocked. The Dixie Chicks ruled. Shania, lipsynched, which means she sucked. Then again, her music always sucked. But, did we need a Post-game show? Forget that. I wanted to see Alias, not Bon Jovi singing "It's My Life" at a televised concert for the 80th or 20th time.
ABC should have warned me that I couldn't see Jennifer Garner kick ass in lingerie until 11pm. BASTARDS.
User: ange | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: Why do I feel like I have forgotten something?
:-)
Tones: Thanks so much for the wish back at me.
Hutch: Great interview from '96. I definitely don't remember seeing it in my travels.
Joe Murtha: Thanks for the update from Charlap.
Superbowl comments. Sting did a nice job singing with Gwen (from No Doubt). I
wonder if AT&T Wireless got to pick the song he sang? ("SOS" for any who
missed it).
Did you see AT&T's Gilligan's Island commercial immediately
before the Half Time Show? Very funny. The gang get rescued by calling the Coast
Guard on their AT&T Wireless phone.
User: LogicMan | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: Always love the logic behind it all, Alta - Win a game:
burn the town! Lose a game: Destroy property! Celebrate whatever: throw
rocks!
It just blows my mind.......
your grateful knight
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: lp--They sound like the basketball fans at my alma mater, the University of Maryland, College Park, which is, alas, just up the road from my house. But they go on looting and burning rampages even when the Terps win.
User: tones in black | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: Just another night in Oakland really...
Aus - New Crim: The Power to Believe - March 4th
Snakie, Angel, daaaaaaaano - Thanks for good vibes and wishes (and back to ya angel - thanks for helping me bear all this water...), though I don't usually acknowledge that day in public. So with that thought - I'm sure you've all seen Men In Black, and if so you should know the routine: look into the shiny metallic cylinder in my hand...
*FLASH!*
ok, you will forget my b-day, and dance about merrily and with abandon when the new Steely Dan album comes out...
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: who says soccer fans have all the riotous fun?
Oakland fans riot after RaidersĆ loss
OAKLAND, Calif., Jan. 27 ů Police
arrested 65 people and dispersed scores more with tear gas and rubber pellets as
fans, unhappy with the Oakland RaidersĆ loss to Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl,
took to the streets Sunday night to hurl rocks and bottles and set fire to cars.
THREE FIREMEN sustained minor injuries from bottles and rocks thrown by rioters
along International Boulevard. Most of the arrests were for
drunkenness.
Hoping to avoid rioting, police had assigned hundreds of extra
officers to work Sunday, but as crowds gathered after the RaidersĆ 48-21 loss to
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, trouble broke out. About 10 vehicles were set on fire,
and crowds broke the windows of at least one television news van, police and
witnesses said. One group of young men set debris on fire in the middle of a
street and then posed for news photographers. Rioters broke nearly every window
at a McDonaldĆs restaurant, which was also set on fire. Tear gas wafted through
the area, and some witnesses picked up rubber bullets fired by police. Police
closed off some streets as the trouble shifted through various areas of East
Oakland. Eventually, things quieted down. It was the second week in a row that
violence happened after a Raiders game. The previous week, after the team
advanced to the Super Bowl, crowds set fires, broke windows and threw rocks and
bottles along International Boulevard, the same area hit after the championship
game. Some shop owners in the area closed at kickoff time in hopes of avoiding
trouble.
User: Lars | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: JM: Thanks; Coltrane always kind of "scared" me too. The only Coltrane records I listening to today is 'Ballads' and 'The Gentle side of Coltrane', probably the most "unscaring" of them all! Teamed with Miles although he did some of the greatest music I've ever heard.
Hi Clas: Counting down time to JB? There must be better things to do in Stockholm ... . (1-2-3 dot)
User: Cliff's Notes | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: It was the mailman's last day on the job after 35 years
of carrying the
mail through all kinds of weather to the same neighborhood.
When he arrived at the first house on his route, he was greeted by
the
whole family there, who congratulated him and sent him on his way with a
big gift envelope.
At the second house they presented him with a box of fine cigars.
The folks at the third house handed him a selection of terrific
fishing
lures.
At the fourth house he was met at the door by a beautiful blonde woman in a revealing negligee. She took him by the hand and gently led him into the house and up the stairs to the bedroom, where she blew his mind with the most passionate love he had ever experienced. When he had had enough, they went downstairs, where she fixed him a giant breakfast: eggs, potatoes, ham, sausage, blueberry waffles and fresh-squeezed orange juice. Then she poured him a cup of steamingcoffee.
As she was pouring, he noticed a dollar bill sticking out from under
the
cup's bottom edge. "All this was just too wonderful for words," he
said, "but
what's the dollar for?"
"Well," she said, "last night, I told my husband that today would be
your
last day, and that we should do something special for you. I asked him what to
do. He said, 'Screw him! Give him a dollar!'"
The blonde then said brightly, "The breakfast was my idea!"
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: hiya dano -
things are sorta normal - rob is mister mom, working part-time, so cold here, the mussel beds are frozen so musseling at low tide (now that's cold, huh?) - i'm getting some good press but it could change in a heartbeat so not taking it to heart, lol/smirk - kiddies lovin school - looking for a summer shelter since we have to be out of this place in june, not much monthly rental on the island, most go about 3 grand a week in the summer, yipes - but one of the rockerfellers may do a barter for a landscape design from hubby to be able to use the estate for the summer - if so, the party for the dan is at MY house, right?
LOL
happy monday all
good as cbat, dano, where you been, buddy-lad? LOL!!!
User: Hutch | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: Interesting interview from '96. I've never seen this one before.
http://www.post-gazette.com/soundscene/pages/20010125steely06.asp
User: Joe Murtha | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: Lars,
In Kahn's "Love Supreme" tribute, Fagen comments at length regarding Van Gelder's unique studio recording techniques.
Fagen on Coltrane: "I've always been attracted to music that scares me. Like Coltranes saxaphone playing."
There are a few other choice Fagen-isms sprinkled here and there as well.
Caught Bill Charlap Saturday night. A set of entirely stunning standards. Bill Evans incarnate. Just fantastic musicianship throughout. Ron Carter was amazing, as always.
A quick chat with Bill before the set. He said he played on (2) tunes from "Everything Must Go" and that they were both "really rockin' tunes." Very tight grooves.
Also chatted with Mr. Carter. What a class gentleman he is. Very impressive individual.
User: Floridavid | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: Bill-Sorry to disappoint....I'm not a football fan. So, I can't really Rah,Rah now. D
User: Wow | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: "in an obscure brit way"
Well, that's lost on me.
Sorry.
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: But Nottingham? Isn't that Robin Hoods place?
In Sherwood?
User: Beerberian Hood | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: Clas; Certainly is possible ... a great time was had by all - which is sorta what I was trying to convey , in an obscure brit way LOL - May 3rd 2003 come on over to Burton on Trent and attend a Fest of immense Dandom
User: Clas | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: Beerb - a GIG in Nottingham? Are such a thing possible?
User: Beerberian again | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: Funny tho' I got a similar response from another
unbeliever ... I quote ..."I suppose that means.Went to a great gig in
Nottingham on Saturday. Got pi***d."
User: Beerberian Clarifying | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: The Dan Collective Live and Lovely @ The Golden Fleece Mansfield Rd Notts Sat 25th Jan 2003 ... I went to a gig mate ... and lo it was good
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: ôThe Golden Fleece"?
Beerb, what the hell are you talking about?
User: Beerberian | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: Dano,Dunc; The Mayfest is back on .... If I have anything to do with it
User: Beerberian Homer @ Last ... | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: The Dan Collective Live and Lovely @ The Golden Fleece Mansfield Rd Notts Sat 25th Jan 2003
He finished speaking, and all in the hall shouted out, ôThe Golden Fleece, the Golden Fleece from Nottingham!ö Jason stood up, and his fatherĆs hand gripped him. But he did not heed the hold of his fatherĆs hand, for ôThe Golden Fleece, the Golden Fleece!ö rang in his ears, and before his eyes were the faces of those who were all eager for the sight of the wonder that the King kept guard (changed guard now thoĆ) over. The Kings are dead ŕlong live the kingsŕ
Then Jason saw something that was like a cloud filled with the light of the rising sun. It hung from a great oak tree. In awe he stood and looked upon it, knowing that at last he looked upon THE GOLDEN FLEECE.
My Old friends came on in and let me shake their hands So so glad we were ôthereö again. One more time to let their madness run with mineŕ
I recall when I was small ŕ a supposed wise man said ôYou canĆt do ćDan
justice with any less than a ten piece ŕMaybe so ? Think on ŕ
OK lose the horn section and the set list must be cut accordingly ŕ I
mean there is no F****** way a five piece could tackle Dr Wu , right ? BIG BIG
wrong. The magic axe, (this one a hard tail ŕ thanks for that Penno) can not
only do a sax solo but also take it to a higher plain !!! Glyn was hot !!!!
Laugh ćtho, one of the assembled, and appreciative (why wouldnĆt they be ?) audience was heard to exclaim ôHey thereĆs five of ćemö - on discovering Messrs Shotan & Thompson behind the pillar on his way to the khazi. There was indeed only five but they played like five more , had Rikki lost that number ? had he bollocks ŕ
Peg, Josie, Home at Last, Black Cow, Charlemagne The Boston Rag brought
back !! Tell all the people the DC certainly ainĆt no drag (That clear ring out
note on Black Cow ŕ I can still hear it now - the rings of rare design )
Gaucho raided for once - The solo on Third World Man was so NAILED , spontaneous ripple from the crowd ŕ
Surround sound backing vocals from Deb - she was oh so nearly tempted up there ŕ
Mr Watts a vocalist found ŕ The twin keys as tight as ever Fingers hidden from sight but evident in sound.
Ian Beeston a welcome addition to the fold, Mr T ŕ suavely serene . Nice !!!!!
PL still in the list Hallelujah !!! BeerberIan happy
Great to see Mr Eaton ŕ and The Oirish LaĆ
Golden Fleece, Jason and The Argonauts? ŕ Tales of heroes told - Add 5
more to the odyssey then ? Homer @ Last
We grabbed a piece of something I Know is gonna last !!
User: C @ W | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: "Everything Must Go", in May?
Great. Remember where you heard it first.
---
Cyn - it was great talking to you. See you in Barcelona!
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 0 | Day: 27
Message: Here come those Santa Ana wings again?
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 26
Message: The liked the Bud ad with the clown's face down by the feet etc
User: suedave | Month: 0 | Day: 26
Message: Moll: Sorry, I go around rocks...yes definitely SRV, Allman Brothers, Susan Tedeschi, Taj Mahal, Hank Crawford, some Jimi, the list goes on. Probably not all classic blues but blues based works for me. Jeff Beck? My new fav. Don't know if it fits or not. It is always fun finding news blues, maybe I'll check out some you listed, thanks.
Bill, Molly - oh god, not another immaculate conception!
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 26
Message: Bill: the Osbourne ad was the only good thing about the Super Bore...Grudin had the Raiders' playbook - it was a foregone conclusion...I ended up checking into High Fidelity on Comedy Central which featured a pretty funny and surprisingly soulful version of Marvin Gaye's Let's Get it On by Jack Black...along some work-related stuff and picking up my daughter from Girl Scouts...
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 26
Message: Congratulations Tampa Bay fans! That would be Floridave no?
The halftime show was actually pretty good with Sting and Gwen
Stefani.
The Pepsi commercial with Ozzie Ozbourne's kids turning into
Donnie and Marie Osmond was freakin' hilarious!
User: Musikjournalen | Month: 0 | Day: 26
Message: Ny Steely Dan-platta klar
Normalt tar
perfektionisterna i Steely Dan betydligt lSngre tid ps sig Sn drygt tvs sr att
fSrdigstSlla en platta, men faktum Sr att de har en ny fullSngdare klar f÷r
slSpp i maj; "Everything Must Go", skriver Undercover.
Uppf÷ljaren till "Two
Against Nature" frsn 2000 har i realiteten bara tagit tolv msnader i ansprsk
eftersom Donald Fagen och Walter Becker tummat lite ps den smstt fascistiska
inspelningsdisciplinen och tillstit sig sjSlva en del liveinspelningar.
Nytt Sr ockss att Becker f÷r f÷rsta gsngen kommer att sjunga lead ps en Steely Dan-lst.
User: Cyn..row24windowseat | Month: 0 | Day: 26
Message:
Danooooooooo......You didn't miss us...I haven't
even left yet. I leave tomorrow night and get to Heathrow Tuesday am.Zap me your
phone number, brother...we'll give ya call.
Duncan,,,ditto for you too, man
ohhhh..classsss...yooohooo..!
btw..I heard the RudeWaitress is moonlighting as a flight attendant on British Airways...her favourite comeback is
"Coffee, Tea or parachute and how well can you swim?"
Now, I'm going to have another drink... Ha! beat ya to it, ya moron..care
to join me?
User: Dr.Abolo Espresso | Month: 0 | Day: 26
Message: I like your site! Thank you!
Dr.Abolo Espresso
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Floridavid -- When I was at the KRK display there were playing Roger Waters In the Flesh DVD. We're gonna find out where you fans really stand.
User: it looks even better in Dutch | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message:
'Everything Must Go' voor Steely Dan
Gepubliceerd op donderdag 23 januari 2003
Steely Dan komt met een nieuw album. 'Everything Must Go' verschijnt op 6 mei. Het is de opvolger van songwriterduo Walter Becker en Donald Fagen's succesvolle comeback album 'Two Against Nature', dat in 2000 verscheen na een stilte van 20 jaar. Dit album sleepte meteen meerdere Grammy Awards in de wacht, inclusief voor album van het jaar, waardoor de verwachtingen voor de nieuwe schijf hooggespannen zijn.
Als we platenmaatschappij Reprise moeten geloven, worden de fans niet teleurgesteld. 'Everything Must Go' bevat ook dit keer Steely Dan's kenmerkende mix van ironische, cryptische teksten en traditionele pop, blues, R&B en jazz invloeden. De opnames voor de nieuwe plaat gingen van een leien dakje en namen slechts een jaar in beslag. Becker en Fagen zijn tevreden. "We went for live tracking this time and got great, in-the-pocket tracks," zegt Walter Becker. Fagen vult aan: "It's mad, it's wiggy, I love it."
Zoals we van Steely Dan gewend zijn, heeft het duo wederom sessiemuzikanten aangetrokken om de songs beter tot hun recht te laten komen. Naast Becker en Fagen bestaat de band verder uit Keith Carlock (drums), Ted Baker (keyboards), jazz sensatie Bill Charlap (keyboards) en Jon Herington en Hugh McCracken (gitaar).
Becker zelf nam de basgitaar en gitaar ter hand, terwijl Fagen de tracks van keyboards, orgels, Rhodes, synths en alle nummers behalve TTn van zang voorzag. Becker neemt de solo zangpartijen voor zijn rekening op die ene track. Dat is voor het eerst in het gehele Steely Dan studio oeuvre.
Achter de knoppen zaten oude bekenden Elliot Scheiner, Dave Russel en Roger Nichols, die ook verantwoordelijk waren voor het geluid van 'Two Against Nature', met daarbij nieuwkomer T.J. Doherty.
In de jaren zeventig crederde Steely Dan klassiekers als 'Reeling In The Years', 'Rikki Don't Lose That Number', 'Peg' en 'Hey Nineteen', afkomstig van hun zeven platina albums. Vanaf 1980 werd het stil rondom Steely Dan, tot de release van het live album in 1995 'Alive In America', dat werd opgevolgd door 'Two Against Nature' in 2000. Binnenkort dus: ćEverything Must GoĆ.
Copyright 2003 PI
User: Andy | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Just dropping in to let you know that my web page is back up and running at http://www.andymetzger.com. It's largely as it was before it went down. I'm working on putting up a searchable archive of SD articles, interviews and newsclippings. If you've got something of interest, give me and e-mail (andy@REMOVEbest-met.com). I'm all psyched for the next one...hopefully details will begin to emerge shortly. Should be a fun next couple of months.
Catch you later...
Andy
User: oleander | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Joe--Once again I'm in your debt. A cross between Gibson and Pynchon? Pinch me.
Lars--I too love the hot Jack, but the ice Jack gets me too, yin-yang thing....
Qster--and you didn't take that buggy for a spin up my way? For shame.
NMN--You can't stop there.
User: and now...the rest of the sentence | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: on Plush to me.
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Lars: What a Shame About Me is probably closest to the blues sound on TvN...of course most of their songs are some kind of altered blues, TvN is less sneaky about there jazz roots...I like most dig the Kid C solo on both Royal and Herrington's interesting run on Plush - wise not to try to replicate it - though Zingg used to do it well...but Bad Sneakers is a little more satisfying than Black Friday
User: Floridavid | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: I forgot to mention: While at the KRK booth at
NAMM.
(KRK is a company who makes Mid-High End recording/Playback
Monitors)
They had this UNREAL 5.1 setup with big Comfy sofas and a HUGE
screen TV. What was on? Plush 5.1 DVD....All I could say was ouch.
User: duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Dano... it was me that text'ed you.
no
problem
meet soon ?
User: Lars | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Mu: yeah the ending on gaslightning is good. I always looked at dan as more blues than jazz based and if that's true I'm looking for more "raw guitar" like on Black Friday on Plush. It's kind of strange but when they're loose on some of that control, they're at best. But on the other side - my favorite track are the most controlled(!)- Aja. Best on Plush? Pretzel Logic IMO.
User: Q | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Lars - that was pretty good.
I just woke up after 7 hours of hauling my car back - that's why I was up to respond to you at 5:20AM. Normally not my time of day.
Just got a little snooze, but when I wake up more later I'll tell a great
story that I think relates to this and even includes a public apology to St.
Al.
It's a pretty funny story/revelation about the effect the GB has on the
general population and a specific intervention.
I'm sure you'll be waiting with extreme anticipation...
User: ¦ - light that Bunsen Prize | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Lars: almost forgot...Two Against Nature on DVD-A, in stereo to get the full 192Khz sampling, and played LOUD = Plush (I'm not kidding)!!!! Rush your order of a DVD/DVD-A player using your tax refund check! fuck...so sorry, you don't get one, do you...
(doing my best John Belushi): ...uhhh, how much for your women?
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Lars: Live Gaslighting Abbie is IMO the highlight of Plush (besides the opening sequence at night coming into the city with the title track in the background). They are Workin' It!!!!! The horns are swingin!!
User: Lars | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Q:
Atlanta with your secretary? Porsche without net
access? Stolen identity? Poor guy, you need that drink badly.
User: Q to Lars | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: PS Lars, if I wanted to tell you to F-off, I would be happy to just do it under my name
I do agree with the anon though. I don't think DF appreciates being called a thief of music in any way from anyone, esp. here!
Happy Hunting
User: Q to Lars | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Nice try Detective Lars,
people post under my id fairly often.
I was in Porsche Club test all day in Atlanta yesterday and had no net access. Want to ask my secretary where I was all day? I'll give you the phone #.
And, gee, how many people have access to an NT based system with IE5.5 integrated...about a 1/2 million or so...
User: BarryWhite | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Lady Marmalade?
What about "You're My First, You're My Last, You're My Everything"
Fuck that shit. I knew I never should have gone camping with Letterman.
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Wild Bill, Re: Clas's love child...Clas resembles my brothers too much for me to ever consider the horizonal rhumba with him. Although his charming disposition is hard to resist! The baby belongs to a certain Scottish Warrior. My heart and body are exclusively his. I've missed talking with you. I hope you're well.
User: Dano | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Guys , Been going full belt at work , and got the news only few days ago??Was that you Dunc who text me , if it was thanks mate.Looking forward to hearing the new one.Will it ever be as good as Countdown??After all these years i still play that album more than any other.
Talking of Dan , Are we still going to get the Danfest here in Blighty up and running this year??
Cyn , Sorry i missed you and Alan,Give me a blast if you are about for a couple of weeks as i may be able to leg it down to Taunton.
Duncan , What about the Premier Lodge in York for a Fest??Did Fingers play there once??How is he mate.
Beer , What about Travelodges round your way for a fest,or a place in Newcastle for all the sweatys to get there??
I am really up for it when the weather gets better , so lets keep it mind guys??
Ole , How is the family ,is he gettin any winners yet??
Lp , Are things normal in the LP household now??
Aussie , Where are you Mancub , gone into hiding matey.
Pat , That Preacher shit was a real Dooser.Like your sense of humour man.
Best day of the week so far.....Tuesday ...Seeing Sipowitz so happy , has blown me oot the water?? Call me sad , but i have only ever Video Taped two progs in my life when i have been away....Sopranos and NYPD.
T , `sup mate, hope you had a great birthday , and you too Angel.Best Belated wishes.
Cara Mia , Hubba Hubba, Nice to see you on the board again.
Have a nice weekend everyone , Off to the soccer with the wee man.
Regards
Dano.
User: Lars | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Nice try Q, but check post #230 ... . Have a drink.
L
User: Cut Loose/paul rodgers/live in peace | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Inspired by a true friend...
Mr.Bush..
please use judgement
gmb
User: Q | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Lars, ummm, check the IP's,OS, etc.
I think your
confused...
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 25
Message: Mistress Molly,
Regarding post #609...
I should have my medications checked? Okay let's
see here...
Uhh... Rolling Rock beer (Check), Pizza (Check), TV Remote
(Check),
Renee Zellweger (Check), Credit Cards (Check), Steely Dan CD's
(Check).
Have I forgotten something?
P.S.)
The clinic called. Your test results are in. I'm afraid it's
bad
news. You really are pregnant with Clas's lovechild.
Post #621 was not me of course. It was SwedishNuerotica once again.
:)
User: Guiness Stout | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: a new World record for post density..................13 in a 75 minute period besting YGKs record held for over 5 years, tied by eLLe 2 years ago. Congratulations!!!!! ...and a bonus prize - the Talking Heads Award for not even trying to start to make sense... 'preciate it...thank you very much...
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: C- It's on the website:
http://www.grammy.com/press/press_releases/2003/0124a.html
It was printed below last time. Aja will be inducted this year, along with Springteen's Born To Run, Labelle's Lady Marmalade and other recordings for the Hall of Fame as testament to quality recordings.
Guess that means Enema, I mean Eminem won't be inducted yet ;)
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Jimbo - "Yhe RIAA announced that Aja will be in the Grammy Hall or Fame recordings..."
What the hell are you talking about?
Steely Dan ?
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Pat - do YOU have a phonenumber?
I am sitting here masturbating.
C
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: The best song in the world is = Casino Nation.
Like the Hammer Shapes the Hand.
God Bless Canada.
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: No, I am not a Steely Dan freak. My name is Hoopsie.
User: Billiard? | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Has everybody gone to my gallery?
www.steelydangallary.se?
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Clas - ANOTHER ... pinhead.
User: No, I don't have... | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: ...2 computers.
User: c | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: King Herold - home by anthoer way.
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Albert Lee not to be confused with Alvin Lee
-
THAT was funny.
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Here COME those... pinhead.
User: Albert Lee not to be confused with Alvin Lee | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Molly..glad your listening to Kenny
Jaz..sorry to keep missing you, but maybe a good thing in your business
Rev. Al..always understand the sermon
Bill..hahah..rock on"
played today
Houston Person.."sentimental journey"
Stanley Turrentine.."since I fell for you"
Horace Silver.."senor blues"
Lou Rawls.."at last"
BB King & Eric.."come rain or come shine"
Jimmy Mc Griff.."mc griff avenue"
Eddie Harris..lp"come on down"/produced by tom dowd
Herbie Mann.."memphis underground"w/duane on guitar
Bobby "blue" Bland.."turn on your lovelight"
Kenny Garrett"ain't nothin but the blues"
Lou Rawls.."room with a view"
I'm so poor I have to lean up against a fence to gargle.
Big Bill
Broonzy
"Looking Up at Down"
bluz
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: CORRECTION
IT'S
http://www.grammy.com/press/press_releases/2003/0124a.html
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: MORE MAJOR NEWS:
The RIAA announced that Aja will be in the Grammy Hall or Fame
recordings
induction this year along with Born To Run, Lady Marmalade and
other classic recordings.
http://www.grammy.com/press/press_releases/2003/10124a.html
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Here comes those Santa Ana Wings again?
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Bill - Bill
User: Claas | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: James Taylor
User: Lars | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: JM: I haven't read his take on Coltrane but I loved Don's comment on 'Kind of Blue'in Kahn's book - a "sort of the Barry White of it's time". Give some color from the Coltrane book.
Mu: Have to disagree, although the Plush video is much better when it comes to loosen up.
L
User: Mistress Of Mayhem aka Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Jason, hey Sweetness! Where you been keepin yourself?
NEW STEELY!!!! Whoo hey..
Altamira, good luck on remodeling. Your guy sounds
like a keeper. BTW, is okay by me that you like Don better than Walt. It'd be a
rather boring world if everyone liked the same things.
Sue, You like Son Seal
or Judy Henske by any chance? Katy Lied is my favorite also. Partly for
sentimental reasons though. Tell me you like rockclimbing and/or caves and I'll
know I've found my cosmic sister! lol lol Well, you have to love SRV
too.....
Wild Bill, I'm getting worried about you... time to see the Doctor
for a meds check babe.
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Lars: I was listening to TvN while filling out some boring forms today. It had been awhile and I noticed particularly the very mischevious flavor which percolates throughout the album, with the exception of West of Hollywood...
I may be in the minority - but I prefer the album Jack of Speed - less attitude, but I love the Bridge which is missing from '96. It's mad...it's wiggy...
My favorite cuts are still Almost Gothic, Negative Girl, West of Hollywood, Janie Runaway, What a Shame About Me, and the title track...love the OUTRO to Gaslighting Abbie as well...
User: Joe Murtha | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Ole,
Nice to hear from you as well...
2003 shaping up pretty well so far, huh?
New Dan in May and our man William Gibson out with a new tome... "Pattern Recognition".
The review I read has Mr. Gibson deferring his cyberpunk prose style for a more Pynchon-esque treatment this time out. Sounds interesting, no? I'll have to pick this one up for sure... I wonder if we'll stumble upon the requisite Dan allusion here and there? Hmmmm...
Apparently D&W have decided to return the favor and tip their hat to Gibson on the new one. Yes indeed, this could make for some VERY interesting Fever Dreams this summer.
Haven't been here for a while. Has anyone mentioned Fagen's excellent comments in Ashley Kahn's recent Coltrane tribute? Don't know if this is old news but this one and Kahn's "Kind of Blue" chronicle are definite keepers in my book.
User: Lars | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: ... and let's hope that the "live approach" means that they spare us from that plastic funk we heard on the latest effort.
Hot down there in Florida Q? Or just a tough day at work?
L
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: netherworld's post makes me happy the good old days are back on the yellow - lol/smirk ***
User: suedave | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Moll - yes yes yes I love the blues. That puts Katy Lied up there as one of my favorite SD albums.
¦ - thanks for the clarification, makes perfect sense now. do tell us what u find when you get dr. wu in the mood ;)
When I first heard the studio version of Jack of Speed, I was not happy in comparison to Walters' version. The song of course grew on me and now I love it. I think Donald's version, slowed down if I remember correctly, is a particulary 'sexy' song, lol. I know they are the same tune with some different lyrics, but somehow they aren't the same song to me. Someday I should make it a point to listen to them side by side.
Looks like the polls have finally been updated! (warning: political content)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=68&e=2&cid=68&u=/nyt/20030124/ts_nyt/bush_s_backing__though_still_strong__shows_steady_decline
Happy Friday all,
Susan
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: It's official. My latest collaborator is one Dr. Wu. He's an expert on nitric oxide. My plan is to slip him some nitrous oxide (laughing gas), and ask him if he's with me...
User: Netherworld | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Lars, fuck off on your " theft of Jack of Speed" spew.
You are so worthless.
Embrace that and move onward and upward.
User: Steveedan | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Doctor Mu --
Please e-mail me ... I have a few things that I want to talk to you about ... I do not know your e-mail, but if you click on the "e-mail" link in this post you can send to me ...
Thank you.
Steveedan
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Greetings from the frozen north,
Peace, Love and Bobby Sherman as always...
I'm still parked outside the Hickville train station waiting for
Don and
Walt to show up. So far no Don, no Walt, no Denny, no nuthin'.
Swung by
Denny's house this morning and he wasn't home. His house
could use new vinyl
siding though. I wonder what he's doing with
that white 88' Dodge Aries
that's up on blocks in his driveway.
Think the kids stole his wheels again?
Nah...
Anyway, once Don and Walt show up we're gonna go over the final
marketing
strategy for "Everything Must Go" down in Denny's basement.
I hope his mom
don't get mad.
Sincerely,
NYB
User: Lars | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Walt in a singin' mood ... . Good, there's still a chance to make up for the theft Don made on Jack of Speed. Let's hear it again, this time with Walt on vocal and Bob Brozman on Hawaiian slide.
Any suggestions why they release it here in Europe a week earlier?
L
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Moll and Suedave--Sure, I can understand the appeal of Becker's work; it's just not what I like. But he certainly is a highly skilled musician and lyricist, and I greatly admire and enjoy what he brings to Steely Dan.
User: angel | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Billboard.com has a different quote in
it....
"Despite its critical acclaim, "Two Against Nature" didn't
generate any hits along the lines of the "Gaucho" favorites "Hey Nineteen" (No.
10 on The Billboard Hot 100) and "Time Out of Mind" (No. 22). Indeed, backstage
at the 2000 Grammys, Fagen told Billboard any new Steely Dan music wouldn't
likely be influenced by any modern tunes. "I haven't listened to the radio for,
like, 30 years," he admitted. "I still listen to the same jazz records I
listened to in high school, basically."
The entire article can be found
at:
http://199.249.170.183/billboard/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1802879
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Floridaivd -- my NAMM invite was so last minute -- I'm sorry I missed you too (and Steeevee the Keneally fan)
User: angel | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Snakehips: Thanks for the B'day greetings! Don and Walt couldn't have picked a better week to make the announcement. :-)
St. Al: My little one is really into that kind of stuff, too. You mean he won't outgrow it? LOL
I see that Ole is not only trembling with excitement, she has updated her webpage, too.
Tones: Belated Birthday wishes to you, my fellow Aquarian. :-)
User: Floridavid | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Hi All- Finally checking in after NAMM show.Very Cold
here in SW Florida Today.I can just Imagine the rest of the country.
St Al
and Hoops- Thanks for keeping us current on the Steely Progress.
Wow,News of
a new Steely Dan Album! I think our fanatic fan base and support on the last
CD/Tour may have a little to do with our getting new product so soon. They know
we're listening.
Miz Ducky-sorry I missed your call, returning mine.I'll call you this week as I still want a "Steely Damned Shirt".
SteeveeDan and W1P-I missed you guys! The last I heard you guys weren't going to the show and I was to call only If I had time to kill...oh well. Maybe "Next Year"
I had a blast out there...Took Pics with some hero types. Me and Ricky
Lawson, me and Bernard Purdie and Chester Thompson, me and Remo Belli,me and
Craig Chaquico,me and Kenny Aronoff...these guys are always so gracious to pose
with the "nobodies".
Had a brief Chat with Mike Keneally...mostly about when
we first met back in '89 in San Diego. I can't believe he didn't tell me he was
performing at the show...would have surely caught that.
Feet took a pounding
but well worth it.
Stay warm everyone, Floridavid
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: suedavid: I agree and do anticipate a simul-release...
an imaginary Krispy Kreme donut...
sounds like Aja = tastes like chicken
a goof, a buzz
User: sh | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message:
St Al - my son downloaded that preacher thing to my
computer a couple months ago. what is it with you guys? lol i laughed harder at
him - he was on the floor in tears. he also downloaded an SNL with Cheri Oteri
doing "simmah don nah"...now that's hilarious
More Aquarian birthday greetings - have a good one Angel. Still waiting for those drinks Cyn...lol
sh
*note to Don and Walt - when (if) you tour this year and play Detroit remember DTE Theater GOOD, the Palace BAD...thanks
User: potentate o' world | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: I once did a l'il collage of found materials, from newspapers etc., including something with a large 'honking' banner reading "Everything Must Go".... I should produce said item, I guess.
User: Gina | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: howdy NMN, echo-ing members of the babe choir, good to
see you back in here :-)
my doggy Gaucho is now a 2-year old smooth but wild
fox and IS his name thanks to your bright idea when brainstorming around these
banyan premises LOL. although many say he's like Alf from the sitcom, that
creature from space, Gaucho looks just like him when in front of the window
...same silly face and enthusiasm ...
well St. Al, when i took notice of the new title, "Everything Must Go" my
first impressions painted a sober-down-to-earth kinda album, like a reverse
Countdown to Ecstasy thang ... maybe as in both lyrics&music.
no doubt
about it this will keep the fanbase busy until release and as soon as the discs
"hit the fan" in May, well LOL LOL
the GB will be like old familiar times i
guess :-)
a decisive strong-sounding title, this "Everything Must Go".
counting down
to May-ecstasy,
G.
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Sue, I concur with your summation of Becker's vocals and talent. I've always loved the poignancy of Steely's lyrics. Becker's influence in their collective efforts is apparent from "11 Tracks of Whack" Some of the lyrics can lacerate ones soul without you realizing that you're bruised and bleeding until later. I became more appreciative of Steely Dan's music as I grew older. The wonderful complexities of the melodies, and their clean precision. Are you a blues fan by any chance? I can't wait until May! Rickie Lee Jones is in the studio and Steely's release in May..Whoo Hoo!!!!
User: Mr. Stewart | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Farting preacher...oh JEEzus...the tears are still streaming down my face....
I have two gassy third grade boys in my class this year. I've nick-named them
Terrance and Phillip. They think nothing of cracking one off. And right now we
are on the subject of solids, liquids, and gasses. You can imagine how that's
been going. Back in my day I remember that to pass gas in class was to lose all
credibility with the world.
Man, that Tilton is as bizarre as they come.
Didn't he get busted for fraud?
I'm a lazy lurker. Has anyone posted links to previews of the new one?
Thanks:
Mr. Stewart
User: it's j a s o n | Month: 0 | Day: 24
Message: Halo, everybody, halo.... how does one get hold of SD bootlegs?! They let them loose with tweezers apparently..... ("Like An Inca" by Neil Young playing, now.) Everything MUST go.... a universality of transportation....
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: Just found this Q&A of Mike Keneally:
What are your favorite Steely Dan songs?
MK: Oh wow. I really love "Almost Gothic". That's a great song. And "Fire in the Hole" is a beautiful song. "King of the World," that might be my favorite.
User: suedave | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: Pat, wierd. thanks for sharing ;)
The thing I like about Walter's work is the edge it has to it, or the sweet
melody with the acerbic words, I s'pose it isn't for everyone, but I'm not going
to try to change anyone's mind. It is my treasure.
¦ - that would be the
best way to go, straight to DVD-A, don't mess with 44.1. what the hell are you
eating over there?
The phrase, the phrase, perhaps this is how it fits in....
it was a tough question to ask
I didn't want to blab
so considered it
carefully then said
I want you to be my lover
she said hey...is that a
horseshoe crab?
and that's how I knew it was over
before it ever started
thrown down on a slab
on the beach here in Dover
(chorus)
too embarrased to stay
everything must go
no will to
play
everything must go
ok, so maybe it sounds more like a grown up demented Dr. Seuss rhyme! LOL
My friend Stan in Kansas City let me know that the one and only Larry Carlton will be playing at Dimitrou's Jazz Alley April 10-13 in Seattle. Check his website for your town larrycarlton.net. Danfest on Saturday April 12th? Mark your calendar. Tickets are not on sale yet. Thanks Stan!
Susan
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: This is, quite literally, the funniest thing I've ever seen on the Internet. I can't help it but I do find flatulence funny (a uniquely male trait I guess). However, this isn't just another fart joke. I was laughing so hard at work that I couldn't finish watching this for fear I would have an accident... I had to wait until I got home.
This is especially funny because my friends and I used to sit around, get high and goof on Tilton.
http://www.religionisbullshit.com/fpreach.htm
Joe! I knew you'd resurface! Don't be a stranger, stranger.
StAl
User: oleander | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: "Hey--is that a horseshoe crab?"
fever dreams is TREMBLING in anticipation............
Joe! Still hard @ work, I see. Great to hear from you.
User: Joe Murtha | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: Yo StAl et al...
Long time, no post...
"Everything Must Go"?
May 6th can't get here soon enough for me, man.
I'm more than likely heading out to "Smoke" in NYC Saturday night for
the
9:00PM-er.
Featured guest(s)?
Bill Charlap Trio with freaking Ron Carter on bass...
Working on CDSD Rev 3.0 and a Next One screensaver. Any suggestions
on
content are more than welcome.
Thanks for keeping these rarefied fires burning Pat!
Man, new Dan for 2003. It just doesn't get any better that.
Talk soon,
Joe
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=17374
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: Funny, I too had a strong reaction when I first heard the title of the new one. Someone mentioned this earlier, but I too thought...Swan Song...Musical coda. The END. I gave up on trying to figure these guys out a long time ago so pay me no nevermind...
BUT, if you take it literally, what usually precedes this business/marketing statement?
"QUITTING BUSINESS!"
"EVERYTHING MUST GO"
lcpaul: Nice to see you too ya old sonofabitch!
DanFan: Which "clunker" did 2AN have? Just curious?
Randy: I'm with you. I listen to 11TOW way more than any Fagen solo albums.
Now, if we can just convince him to go out on a small club tour I'd be one happy dude. Not that I think this would ever happen because as I've said before when I asked him that question he looked at me like I was nuts. Which I am.
GE: Stop lurking and SPEAK!
StAl
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: Hey anon1/Turing/Sal: ...and this release date is a hoax! We had Scheiner erase EVERYTHING and then burned it for good measure, including all outtakes from TvN, Aja, and the Gaucho outtakes NOBODY has heard, Royal Scam...It's All GONE - Now go home fans and Get a Life!!!!!:
User: Pepe | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: hey since they recorded in analog I wonder if it will sound better on vinyl than on CD ... LOL
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: Molly--I'd like to visit the chat room, but I'm extremely busy these days--I've been working ten hours a day in an attempt to catch up, I'm remodeling my bathroom, and I'm about to have the house rewired (probably starting next week, if the temperatures climb above freezing), which will require clearing a veritable mountain of things out of the way. Also, Dave, my boyfriend, who lives in St. Louis, visited over the weekend, which made me even more behind. He is good about helping me; we made numerous trips to Home Depot and locally owned hardware stores so I could buy things for the house, and he helped me move a large piece of furniture, but he still set me back a bit. He only visits once every two months, so I expect the rewiring and replastering to be done by his next visit, but by then I'll be in the middle of stripping the woodwork. He's a good boy, though, so I'm sure he'll offer to help and he won't slow down the work any. Anyway, once the electrical work is done, I'll have to go back to copyediting books in my free time to pay off the credit cards I'm using to pay for the work, so I won't have any time for anything not work related for a long time. When I'm all paid up, I'll then have time to visit the chat room and I look forward to getting to know you and others better.
Regarding Beckers' voice and solo work, I think his voice is fine, but his technique is awful. He could certainly learn to use his voice in a much more polished, professional-sounding way. ( I have several friends who are professional classical singers, so I hear a lot about proper vocal technique.) Also, I found 11 Tracks of Whack really boring and only played it a few times. On the other hand, I love Fagen's solo work--so elegant, smooth, and polished. I prefer instrumental music and ignore lyrics, so I have no opinion on them.
Bill--Yes, if I didn't know who had made 11 Tracks of Whack, I'd get rid of it rather than keeping it around and not playing it ;^) It's just not the kind of music I like, though. I prefer traditional jazz and lounge music, and I love Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., etc.
User: :( | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: Mu- Try this one:
We are done making records. We
don't like touring anymore. We don't like dealing with the record company
anymore...Fuck it! Everything Must Go
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: That reminds me - I told my wife yesterday that a new Steely Dan album would be released on May 6th. To wit she replied:
"Already? Another one?" LOL
User: ¦ - tastes like chicken | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: I'd love to hear Everything Must Go for the first time on DVD-A (especially early), but like the rest of you, I'll be scrounging for what tidbits I can find wherever they may be...look for the deliberate leakage of numerous promo copies as before TvN...
Frankly, I've thought that TvN sounds more like St. Louis 1993 with more
Miles Davis, a only a little of Kama funk, and no midi thing whatever that
is...than Aja, Gaucho, or Kamakamakamakamakamakiriad
I consider The Nightfly (especially now restored on DVD-A) along with
Katy Lied and Aja to rank among the finest works of the 20th Century along with
Sir Duke, Miles, Gershwin - you know the list...TvN is not that far behind IMHO
Spasm: Throw it All Away - Everything Must Go. this just might refer to
their recording strategy in recording This One...back to the roots - the jazz
combo or band LIVE
Digital recording? Fuck it - it must Go!
Sync-locking the drums to 0.000005 sec? Fuck it - it must Go!
Michael Omartian or Ted Baker playing keyboard over a "click" sound? Fuck it - it must Go!
Oustanding studio musicians playing with...errr BY themselves in a studio while the ominous figures of Walter and Donald lurk behind the console? Fuck it - it must Go!
Revolving bands? Fuck it - it must Go!
Years and years of recording and editing? Fuck it - it must Go!
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: Sue & Randy, Like the both of you; I like Becker's
voice, and look forward to his vocals on the new CD. I LOVED Becker's solo
effort Randy. I liked Fagen's solos okay. The music was great,but his lyrics
were cold and rather unimpressive IMHO. Jack-o-Speed was awesome. Of course, I'd
love anything the Dan does. It could be a collection of nursery rhymes.. (Steely
Dan's version of Hokey Pokey) and I'd probably still love it. lol
lol
Altamira, Sugar doll you don't have to thank me for replying. I enjoy
sharing ideas and opinions with you. It's great conversing about things other
than rural farm topics and work stuff. Come into chat sometimes,there are some
very nice ladies that visit from time to time. (and me too *wink*)Of course, all
of the men that meander into chat are sweethearts. LMAO
Jaz, you buried under
snow or work? oops pardon the pun..hahahaha Hope all is well. I'll heed your
advice. Sometimes the best response is none. Talk soon?!!!
SteveeDan, you bad
boy!mmmmmwwwwwwaaaahhhhhhhh!
Bluz, Kenny Garret is great. Got "Best of Miles
Davis" yesterday. It's pretty nice as well.
Bass, good deal! Please say
hello to Fingers for me.
LcPaul, Honey did ya get up with a case of the ass
this morning, or are you hangin with Clas these days? ROFLMAO I'll keep you in
my thoughts..
My Viking Warrior, Another day of meetings... can almost hear
you muttering
under your breath " what a bunch of wankers" if you were
here....lol
lol The e-card made my day! One life, one love...
*kisses~~~~~~~~*
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: A second shot at Second Arrangement would be great.
Also, I don't understand the negative responses towards Walter's
singing.
I really like 11 Tracks Of Whack. Actually, I like it alot more than
2VN.
It's got a few relatively hard songs on it like "Lucky Henry",
"Surf
and/or Die" and "Hard Up Case", and a few really interesting
songs like
"Junkie Girl" and "Cringemaker". "Book of Liars" is a really
great song and
"Hat Too Flat" is hilarious. Walter's deliver is
significantly different
than Donalds but it's not bad.
What you have to do with 11 Tracks of Whack is to just forget who
made the
album and just listen to it as if it was someone you didn't
already know.
The vocal identity of Steely Dan is Donald Fagen.
It will always be that way.
It's not fair blanket Walter's work
with that vocal identity.
Anyway, "Everything Must Go" is gonna rock I just know it!
User: bassicinstinct | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message:
SHAMELESS PLUG:
Saturday 25 January
The Dan Collective
The Golden Fleece, Mansfield Road, Nottingham.
9.00 P.M.
FREE ADMISSION.
User: Randy | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message:
Steely-folk,
In light of the news of the new Steely Dan release, I thought I'd chime in 'bout a few things...
Firstly, to Aja - I had the same thought you did upon hearing the new album's title, i.e. would "The Second Arrangement" finally make it to an album? By the same token at the back of my mind I doubted it immediately, but it was interesting to see someone else on the same train of thought, a couple of cars ahead no less. The passing thought of a possibly reworked (and still topical, no less) "Fall of '92" also faded quickly.
Secondly, I for one was very pleased to hear of the alleged upcoming Becker vocal debut on a Steely release; some of us play his album more than either of Fagen's (suffice it to say they're all still four star releases at my house); I'm sure this new track will make up for the RELATIVE disappointment with the studio version of "Jack of Speed" (still a three and a half star track regardless) on 'Two Against Nature,' which of course featured Fagen in lieu of Becker.
Thirdly, I thought it would be at least remotely entertaining to remember the days when posts like the one below were being bandied about on this illustriously infamous guestbook:
Name: Randy
NIGHTFLY82@aol.com
NJ USA
Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998
at 16:04:04
Comments:
Anyone else out there of the opinion that "Jack of Speed" is simply staggering? I had some reservations after purchasing the "Alive In America" CD back in '95 that messrs. Becker and Fagen were going to serve up a somewhat kinder, gentler Steely Dan upon eventually hitting the studio (witness the HORN driven "Reeling In The Years" from the live album). Don't get any wrong impressions - I think the reworked versions are GREAT, but they did cause some concern. Would there be bristling, unsettling tracks like "Don't Take Me Alive" or "Everything You Did" on the new studio CD? Or will it all be as slick as the nearly distortion free, non-acerbic (yet still fascinating) "Nightfly"? With the '96 tour and the introduction of "Jack..." behind us, there's clearly not a thing to worry 'bout. Unless of course one expires before ever getting to HEAR the new CD.
"No foolin' it's a fucked up world" - Walter Becker, 'Junkie Girl'
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: Roy | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: They said the same thing about 2VN before it came out. "It's in the same vain as Gaucho" Oh please....it sounded more like Kamakiriad.
User: caramia | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: See you all in three months and at some summer
venues!
New title reminds me of Joni's "Down to You".
"Everything comes and goes
Marked by lovers and styles of
clothes
Things that you held high
And told yourself were true
Lost or
changing as the days come down to you..."
But most likely WB and DF passed by one of those tacky electronic stores
on the way to the studio each day, it's windows plastered with a loud sign
screaming at them: "EMG!!!!!" for the entire year as their inspiration. So New
Yawk...
L-U-V,
caramia
User: SteveeDan | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: Bob Tedde & Co. at the Canyon Club ? You're making me jealous Pink. Our turn will come in time though ... and you'll be on the guest list. Say hi to "Mommy A", and "Baby A" for me and "Little Boy J" ... did I just sound like Molly just then? C'mon Jen ... gimme yer wurst.
Can't ya just feel the increased vibe going 'round here? ... Aja, stop swirling ... you're going to get dizzy ... well, OK, go ahead, it's fun to watch ...
PRETZEL LOGIC - A STEELY DAN REVUE - LIVE AT THE BAKED POTATO
SUNDAY
FEBRUARY 9TH.
SteveeDan
User: lcpaul | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: Out of lurkdom temporarily.
Good to hear about the new album. Wonder when it'll reach Africa, for god's sake.
Fuck you all anyway.
User: bad sneakers | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: Hey - I just spent the last piaster I could borrow on a new car
BUT I DON'T CARE There's a new CD to look forward to :-)
Peace on earth I suppose will have to wait
User: snakehips | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message:
To the man with the best *countdown to ecstasy* I've
ever heard...
Happy Birthday Tones! Let's have a toast - where's that Rude
Waitress?
sh
User: One Night Spasm | Month: 0 | Day: 23
Message: May 6th - Some Good News!
We need all we can to cheer us in these crazy messed up times.
Maybe this
is the clue to the title.
'Everything Must Go'
Maybe the world as we know
it, community, tolerance, civilisation.
'Everything' may have to go to start
afresh, to see our existance as a privilage of life, not a burden.
Maybe a
call to look inside ourselves, to look at our planet carefully, banish our
current conceptions and to refresh our approach to co-habiting this world in
peace.
But, 'Everything Must Go' first.
Then we can start again.
Just a
thought.
User: suedave | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Oooooyaaa, its a good day for the Dandom.
A tune sung by Walter? Fantastic, I love his bluesy voice. I'm sure the song will be a good fit for him, all the ones he's sung before generally are. No mention of SAX players on the new one? Think they are just background players? That's a bit odd, but hey, perhaps what must go is all the preconceptions!
Looking forward to the interviews and ahem, leaks?
This can be a scary place, but where else can you go to have a really great argument I mean discussion these days? Clas, where are you?
User: GE | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: WOW! Great News. New Album in May. Out of lurkdom for a bit and a big hello to all the troops. Can't wait for tour dates and will look to rendevous with a few of you this summer/fall.
Back to lurkdom...;-)
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: FYI -- Arthur Lee & Love 12/20 NY show is reviewed in the recent Rolling Stone. 4 stars
User: Victoria Jackson | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: 1-2 1-2-3...
He wa-as the pardoned tur-key
The
dub-y-a, he glaaa-dly blessed thee
And soon, oh so-o-oooon
he ruled the
internetee
Now we go
chirp chirp chirp
chirp chirp chirp
all around, all
around
chirp chirp chirp
Chirp chirp chirp
everywhere we hear this
sound
chirp chirp chirp
chirp chirp chirp
someone turn that bebop
down
User: The Viking | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: YOU
User: The Viking | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: LOVE
User: The Viking | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: I
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Moll--You had answered my question about inner freedom. I'm sorry; I didn't log on for a few days because it was a three-day weekend, so it took me a while to thank you.
User: The Viking | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Babes
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Well Aja, I think most men who are pigs, ie... staring
at my chest during the entire conversation.. will continue to be pigs. I really
don't care if they (good old boys ) think I'm sharp. Sometimes surprise is a
useful element in winning. If my adversary is so busy undressing me mentally
that he underestimates me then that's his mistake. Even better if I win and he
never realizes what happened.
Altamira, you're welcome for whatever you were
thanking me for. This person posting as Jennifer never posts anything
interesting or positive. My rather catty remark about her "needing" a man stems
from her appointing herself as my behavior monitor. Other than her hateful
remarks about my character, I've seen one other post by her/him. It too was
mean...Something about George Bush's daughters?? Apparently Jennifer has a
problem with women who don't follow her ideas about acceptable behavior.
She/he's a nasty piece of work. I find people like that are generally unhappy. I
didn't want to get crude about what I think may help Jennifer's disposition.
Let's leave it at that....lol You seem like a very nice person. I'm glad that we
talk.
Clas, no matter how mean you are to me, they still aren't gonna let you
wear the fez with the battery operated boyfriend on top of it.
My Viking,
it's snowing here again. I'm stuck in yet another boring meeting, and missing
you. Wish you were here babe. JJ says hi....*kisses~~~~~~~~~*
User: FUW ETOW | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: It is great to see the old GBers returning to the fold. lovebob and Miz Ducky actually showed up at a W1P show last Saturday night. It was the first time for both of them (after all the Steely Damned shows I have attended!) It was great to see the two of them and spend a lot of time talking music, the Dan, tributes etc. The owner of the Canyon specifically told me that he would try to work out a deal with TSD. FINALLY a venue in LA that is worthy of TSD! If this happens, I have a favor to ask of all GBers -- will you please make every effort to come see TSD in LA? They have no established draw here and it is critically important to their future that they make a good showing. The Canyon is a great club with awesome sound -- you wont be sorry! W1P
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: lp--That would be amusing; Becker's fun when he's pissed off. I don't think they'd do anything too topical, though; it would sound dated after a while.
User: angel | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Woohoo!!!!!! NMN is back in the house!!!!!
Party
time!
So Warner is also Reprise?
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: holy shit - it's NMN!!!!
okay, green earrings? next!
User: Aja...............all verklempt as well | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: YAAAAAAAAAY, all the MIA GB'ers are coming back!
Aja
User: NMN | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: YESSSSSS!
Hi everyone! This is just what I needed.
Back for more soon.
LUV,
NMN
User: lp, all verklempt | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: alti - it's so good to have you back
maybe everything must go is a statement on the economy and gernally on the current administration (remember the fall of 92 tour hit?) - lol - nah, too mainstream...
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Moll--Maybe Jennifer is a woman who is satisfied and content with her life and doesn't need a partner, and I'm not implying that she doesn't have one. After all, even people who have partners are more healthy emotionally if they don't *need* one--that is, if they have a partner because they've found someone they're happy with, not because they feel that they won't be complete without a partner.
User: sniff..snifff | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: thank's angel, I'm filling up here !!!
User: angel | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Mu: Yeah, countdown, that's the ticket.... :-)
Press is starting to hit already. Rolling Stone is
here.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=17374
Aja: I am with you on 2nd Arrangement. We can dream, can't we.
Got to wait 3 more months!!!!
User: Aja...................more politics as usual | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Woohoo, what a great way to start the workday! Does "Everything Must Go" suggest that 2nd A might be part of the package.....? I mean, if they're clearing everything out, that would be a logical one given the mystique surrounding that song. Hey, if you're gonna dream, dream it all! ;o)
Jimbo-loved the rant! Yes, anyone who lists Kenny G. as their influence should be lumped with the Backstreet Boys!
St. Al-yes, it's hard to determine what exactly is influence, but rather than measure it by influence over the masses, I'd say go with originality. Who picked up a guitar (or sax, keyboard, whatever) and made it sound like no one else had before? Even if this artist never reached the masses, they affected artists who would, thereby being more influencial than someone who was just popular at the time.
Molly-believe it or not, yes, they do. I deal with the "old boy" mentality every day, and they may start out looking at my body, but after I'm done they remember me as damn sharp, and I don't have to compromise a thing. (The last "old boy network" that didn't take me seriously got their head handed to them on a platter in Local 733 vs. Ramona USD). Try it, it works.
Aja
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: What about Buddy Holly?
User: yo....molly | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: calm down...
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Whooo Hooo .....YAY!!!!! Great News.. It's gonna be a
great year. New Steely!
Stevee, I'm with you. A party is in order! Ya think
ol Jen is a man? Hmn...Kinda catty for a man though. Maybe a man who wants to be
a woman? Or a bitter dried up woman that needs a man?!!! LMAO
Duncan, thanks
again for the great Bowie tunes.
Paige, Don't you think it's more difficult
to be angry in Middle-age? After a point you'd just sound bitter. Although Zevon
seemed to pull it off... so maybe?
User: duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: what about there deal with warners.
is it due to
finish soon.
Could mean a move to pastures new. ?
I don't think it's the end, they write songs for a living.
that's what
they do, you can be any age to do that.
Me, personally i'm pissing myself
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Group huuuuuuuuuuug everyone.
Paige -- every time I go off on one of my rants I question how much harm vs. good it does. But ultimately I keep coming back to the same conclusion. Do I moderate this thing so it's more palatable for the people who only want a highly focused discussion and avoid conflict, or, do I let it ride and let the discussion drive the direction regardless of topic? My conclusion is obvious. And, like the band we all love, warm and fuzzy is an illusion.
Always struck me as odd the people who love this band, yet complain about the acerbic tone this place takes on at times.
Duncan: If "sniff sniff" was you -- don't walk BUT RUN to your nearest ticket office and buy PG tickets. This show is not to be missed.
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: angel: That's right - screw Ted Turner AOL Time Warner Whatever and release it on a Sunday!!!! 5/4/3...2...1...kabloie!!!!!!
Mind Reader, Bill: Whacky Al's Clearance...going out of business sale!!! Clearing out to the bare walls!!!! Everything Must Go!!!! Reminds me of this furniture salesman who had a "going out of business sale" in Baton Rouge for about 5 years! Certainly, it could the The End - and the notion is to go Out with a Bang!!! Fagen is scheduled fo a 3rd solo album, by then they'll be pushing 60 or something...
or a goof - like the Goodbye Cruel World album by Elvis Costello...
Or...they could just be really Pissed!!! Everything in American society has to Go! Pop Culture must Go!!! Rush Limbaugh, Michael Moorer, Jenny Jones all must GO!!! A Royal Scam for the 21st Century?
Bill, I do like the Kinetic interpretation - eccentirc pop jazz answer to Gino Vanelli's Ya Gotta Move
Life is a journey - we have to move through it , and the WE all Must Go - the All Things Must Pass analogy...
OR could it relate to musical structure and rules and signal even more experimentalism???? Try to to claim songwriting credits for THIS Keith Jarrett!!!
Frankly, I have NO FUCKING IDEA, except that I am pumped for May 6...How
much is a ticket to Norway???
User: p.s. | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: thanks ''EVERYONE''
db
User: sniff..sniff | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: like Paige that ''sniff'' was beautiful !!
I had to
leave work early today...like i did any.
I'm glad i saved the horse piccy
though i like it.
to early to start my 2.5hr head nodding exercises ?
Pat paid a visit to pg.com today, yesterday i was this close to ordering
tickets for one of his ''2'' UK shows.
I guess it'll have to wait now.
Another Tuesday release significant ?
my best friend Phil's birthday also
early night for me i'm feeling lucky all of a sudden :)
User: Paige | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: StAl
I've had fun here and it was only possible through your efforts. I don't post as much as I used to...too busy pushing my walker around.
I remember early on when I would email you complaining about some of the "questionable posts" that would appear here. You always responded to my complaints upholding the rights of any and everyone to post what they wanted...a true advocate of free speech. Back then I didn't seem to appreciate the significance of your position. Now I realize how important it was that you had the courage of your convictions, which has added to the color and interest of this site.
But most of all...there's that common link...that intangible quality of what brings us together: Our appreciation for the sounds and words of a non-band, calling upon us to reach a higher level while expecting nothing less of themselves...Steely Dan.
-Paige
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Mindreader,
I think the title is a play on words...
It could mean "EVERYTHING MUST
GO!" like in a closeout sale,
or it could mean "Everything must GO" with the
emphasis on "GO".
Go = Motion...
Thanks again to Pat Beemer for hanging tough during the lean years
and
providing a space on the internet for eccentric SD fans to hang out!
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: I was going to mention whetther or not I heard Norah Jones on Piano Jazz, but I'll save that for later because...YAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOO!
MAY 6TH 2003. A great day for America, a great day for the world.
Any words on concerts or any tours?
Keep us informed! :) :) :)
LIFE IS GOOD!
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: lp--Female mules are sometimes capable of reproducing.
User: Mind Reader | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: I know everybody here is getting excited by the tittle of the new one. Well, it kind of scares me. Does anyone think this title could mean the end for Steely Dan? The last record? The last tour?....."Everything Must Go"...That my guess.
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: YIPPIE!
Paige -- you know, I was reading through the archives and I'd have to say that besides Joe Murtha (whom we rarely see anymore, but I suspect will surface soon enough) you win the prize for the oldest guestbook "member."
First post: August 4th 1995 -- two weeks after I started this sucker.
Thanks for your support.
Pat
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: woo-hoo, that title is hilarious!
to bide the time, here's a fun test (or bink above), a little gothic, but okay:
http://www.ptocheia.net/piss/index.html
mules piss me off, who knew? they don't even breed!
User: angel (Everything Must Go) | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Mu: They got as close to your original release date of 05/04/03 as they could, so I consider you a winner. Of course, I am not the person holding the contest, so my opinion means nothing. :-)
Becker on vocal for a song. It must have needed his vocals and thus it will be great! I have lots of faith in them.
Now I definitely thing the zeohippus meant The Hippest.
User: Paige | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Like everyone else, my heart is racing a little faster this morning.
The title "Everything Must Go" is exactly what I would expect from Steely
Dan. Nice title...even if it IS a complete sentence.
Pleased to see that
Harrington is contributing on lead...In my humble opinion, he is underrated as a
lead guitarist. Walter singing? Let's just say that 11TOW is not my favorite.
What I hope for and what I miss most, are those two "angry" young men
from albums past...their cynicism and raw exposure of society's darker side
(thanks Walter). I guess what I'm trying to say is that I hope that this new
release is harder and more in your face...that is ROCKS. The title may be a hint
in that direction.
The soundtrack to my life continues.
-Paige
User: Dan Fan | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: They would have to f up the album having Wally sing one.
Ah well, even TvN had a clunker.
User: duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: beers get off the phone i'm trying to call you
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: From the Warner Bros - Norway site:
Hey Clas - take a jump and give us a prview on 28-4
Det er en stund
til 28. april, men musikkelskere b°r bite seg merke i
denne datoen. I skrivende stund tegner denne datoen til s bli utgivelsesdagen
for STEELY DANs nye album EVERYTHING MUST GO.
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Bill: They not only recorded, but also mixed in analog!? Trying to sort that with Scheiner's comments...anyway, get "Wiggy" with it!!!!!!!!
Bill, look for some punk jazz on this one!!
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Digging from under this pile of papers - what news!!!
Everything Must Go...sounds like they've got the motors unning after survival (Two Against Nature)....GREAT find Beerberian!!! Walter on lead for a song! ...a lot of crash-bam boom...statospheric sonics...
I had May 13 - who had the 6th??????
User: Hank Silvers | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: So it's May 6, eh? Looks like my guess in oleander's pool was juuuust a bit off. Wrong as usual, but in this case I'm happy to be so wrong.
Now, sound clips on the ODP would be nice, for a start. C'mon you two, you know the drill by now. Your Loyal Fandom awaits.
Time to crank up the star-maker machinery! It'll be interesting to see whether the boys do as much publicity for EMG as for 2vN. I'd figure they would want to cut back on that grind this time.
All Things Must Pass -- or in 21st Century language, Everything Must Go...
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Thanks for posting the news Beerberian!
I'm pretty psyched based on Walter's statement, "We went for LIVE
TRACKS
this time...", and Elliot Scheiner's statement - "We did a few
things
differently, including tracking and mixing in analog instead of
digital."
Everything Must Go?
Cool... When do we GO on tour?
:)
User: Steve Anglesey | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: I draw to your attention this somewhat similarly-titled album, released in 1996 by Wales stadium punksters The Manic Street Preachers.
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=7:45:25|AM&sql=A7f57gjtro6in
It is very good indeed and stuffed with the kind of elliptical lyrics we all know and love.
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Molly - ssugarman?
Go fuck up in your fantasyworld.
User: Beerberian tooled up | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: GB; first post from the new kit @ work just wanna check out the signature
User: Jim# | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Big thumbs up to the Webdrone for posting and alleviating any further gnashing of teeth on the matter. And to sharp-eyed Duncan for spotting it.
Hey Oleander - newest contest suggestion: First to actually acquire a copy, and the means used to do so. Underhanded and stealthy strongly encouraged. ;)
User: Steveedan | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: Yeah ... I just wanted to chime in ... I think that I will pick the release date of the new one to be ...
May 6, 2003. Has anyone taken that date yet?
Man, I am really craving some honey mustard ... makes the 3-M go down a little easier.
OK !!! Let the guestbook raving begin! Walter gets to sing a song on the new one! Who-Hooo !!! Randy! are you listening !!!???!!!
Clas --- how's your sternum ?
Let the Dan Fests begin !!!
Breaking out the hats and hooters (especially the hooters, right Molly ?!?)
SteveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeDAN
User: Beerberian Early Bird | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: January 22, 2003
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
REPRISE RECORDS TO RELEASE EVERYTHING MUST GO, STEELY DAN'S FIRST ALBUM SINCE 2000'S GRAMMY«-WINNING TWO AGAINST NATURE
In Stores Tuesday, May 6
Steely Dan is releasing Everything Must Go (Reprise) on May 6. It is Walter Becker and Donald Fagen's first release since 2000, when their Two Against Nature -- the duo's first studio release in 20 years -- garnered multiple Grammy« awards including "Album Of The Year".
Listeners anticipating Steely Dan's patented amalgam of sonic perfection, sinuous musicality, and subversive storytelling will not be disappointed by the new release, whose musical allusions range from Pharaoh Sanders to Tommy James, and whose literary echoes bound from William Gibson to Burmashave. Featured lyrics include such catchy phrases as "and that's when she jumped the turnstile" and "hey -- is that a horseshoe crab"?
Everything Must Go took roughly a year to record -- a veritable wind sprint given Becker and Fagen's legendary meticulousness in the studio. "We went for live tracking this time and got great, in-the-pocket tracks," says Becker. Donald Fagen adds "It's mad: it's wiggy: I love it".
The core band included Keith Carlock (drums), Ted Baker (keyboards), jazz sensation Bill Charlap (keyboards), and Jon Herington and Hugh McCracken (guitars). Becker played bass and guitar, while Fagen contributed keyboards, organs, Rhodes, synths, and -- on all but one cut -- lead vocals. Becker's solo singing on one tune marks the first such credit for him in Steely Dan's studio oeuvre.
Engineering were Elliot Scheiner, Dave Russell, Roger Nichols -- all of whom received Best Engineering Grammys« for Two Against Nature -- along with newcomer T.J. Doherty. Superstar tracking and mixing engineer Elliot Scheiner comments on the process, saying "We did a few things differently -- including tracking and mixing in analog instead of digital. That contributed to giving this album a really rich and satisfying sound".
Steely Dan's official website -- Becker and Fagen's personal internet playpen since 1996 -- can be found at www. steelydan.com, and will be running news, updates, and commentary throughout this promotional season and beyond.
----
Steely Dan inveigled themselves onto the soundtrack of the '70s with
radio hits such as "Reeling in the Years", "Rikki Don't Lose That Number,"
"Peg", and "Hey Nineteen" culled from their seven platinum albums issued between
1972 and 1980 (including 1977's groundbreaking Aja). Both their sound and their
notoriety survived the '80s despite Becker and Fagen's only occasional surfacing
for a solo project. They reunited as Steely Dan in the early '90s, touring
successfully throughout the decade and releasing a live album in 1995 (Alive In
America).
In 2000 they released their multi-Grammy« winner Two Against
Nature, and were awarded ASCAP's prestigious Founders Award. The year 2001 saw
Steely Dan's induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame; no one is entirely
sure if the honor was because of or in spite of Becker and Fagen's intensive
3-year "campaign" on steelydan.com to catch the Hall's attention -- a campaign
during which they proffered various inducements to Hall voters, such as a 3-M
digital recorder, Mr. Fagen's childhood piano, and a case of honey mustard.
User: SteveeDan | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: St. Al ... I put my bong, my pipe, my rolling papers, and anything else that had to do with it down over 2 years ago, and I find that I am way mre wacky now. The anti-depressants must have something to do with that ... and all that chocolate ... and the 4 year old ... and the Pretzel Logic band and all that goes with that ... and certainly this guestbook. Springtime for Hitler indeed (Prisoners in love, ... Blue skies above ...).
Bill, I second S. Al ... great list. I just wanted to include the sillier side of things ... glad someone picked up on it.
And Molly, ... I agree with what you have said ... picking your battles and moving on. That is the way of the real world. I keep my morality to myself ... when I can find it.
And Jennifer ! I read your posts and I swear I don't think you are a woman. I believe I see a bulge down below ...
And thinking of what Molly said about men looking, well, more south than they should ... I make up this saying:
Talk to the Tits because the face ain't listening !!!
" ... Let's laugh and be happy, and the whole world laughs with (not at !!!) you.
SheckyDan (appearing live at the Tropicana)
User: duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 22
Message: wake up AMERICA... !!!!!!
ODP NEWS !!!!!
well done Peg :)
http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/nextpool.html
User: Schwinn | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Zeohippus on the official site refers to the last days of the Year of the Horse which is supplanted by the Year of the Sheep/Goat on the next new moon. Get your lady fingers out of storage and let's celebrate the new year with the old guys!
Swimmingly,
SEMB
User: StAL | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Bill.
That is an excellent list. Thoughtful, insightful, enlightened and balanced.
Is everything OK?
I crack myself up sometimes...
Official submissions should be posted here: http://www.banyantrees.net/topten
StAl
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Pat,
If your question is...,
"Which artists had the greatest impact on pop music"
I'd have to say none.
None of the artists I respect had anything to do
with Britney Spears,
New Kids On The Block, or Busta Rhymes.
If your question is,
"Which artists had the greatest impact on serious modern music"
That would be subjective, but here's my list...
1) The Beatles
The Beatles dwarf everyone in this discussion. They
pioneered thoughtful
rock and roll.
2)Bob Dylan
Dylan is a giant for good reason. He even influenced number 3
on the list.
3)Steely Dan
Donald Fagen and Walter Becker weren't the first to mix pop,
jazz, and rock but when they incorporated those three with thier
idiosyncratic
lyrics laced with a bit of irony they didn't just strike gold
they
struck diamonds!
4) Jimi Hendrix
Hendrix' influence was like a tidal wave. Most rock
guitarists
have been influenced in some way by Jimi.
5)The Rolling Stones
Mick and the boys did it right from the start and
they still are.
6) Chuck Berry
Listening to Chuck Berry for the first time in the 1950's
must have
been alot like landing on the moon and having sex for the first
time.
Not necessarily in that order...
7) James Brown
The father of funk. Need I say more?
8)Aretha Franklin
Aretha Franklin's delivery is so powerful that she
belongs up there
with the boys.
9)James Taylor
James Taylor's brand of complicated simplicity is what
brings fans
back again and again. He is certainly one of the masters of his
craft.
10)Pink Floyd
Pink Floyd's work was so great I can't even explain thier
impact fully.
There are so many more, David Crosby, Talking Heads, Niel Young,
Annie
Lennox, Elvis Costello, Elvis(he should be up there I suppose).
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: And what is Zeohippus 77?
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: TO ALL IN THE GB:
Has anyone checked out the official Dan page? If so, what's the significance of the painting of a horse?
Let me know.
User: Jennifer | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: I have a sense of humor, Molly. I just don't find you very amusing.
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Well Jen I'm in love with my Viking... and I give him my love freely. We have a joke about our "trade". To quote the Who, I'd call it a bargain. Your sense of humor remains consistent.
User: moray eel | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: No one mentions Chuck Berry. Shame.
m.e.
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Aja and Jimbo: All valid, yes. However, where do you stop? The Neanderthal who first stretched a skin over a hollow stump and beat on it with the bones from that evenings kill?
Point I'm trying to make is regardless of who influenced who, which of these artists had the greatest impact on music? With the exception of the invention of new instrumentation, we're all musical descendants of the Neanderthal.
Stevee: Dude, put the bong down...
Heil! Heil! Right in Der Fuehrer's face!
StAl
User: Jennifer | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: My my, Molly. Obviously letting your mechanic take it
out in trade doesn't fall within your code of ethics. Is this how you treat
other tradesmen? Do you have to
pay rent? Or do you maybe barter for it.
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: AJA- Good point. Eric Clapton has always known who his influences were and does his best to pay tribute to the blues artists that paved the way for him on stage or in the studio. Check out his recording from two years ago with B B King. Two million copies were sold and I hope those same numbers would be bought on one of Clapton's influences. Sadly I doubt it.
The problem is that the white artists who were influenced by black musicians
are imitated by musicians, regardless of talent, who never even bothered to
listen to BB King, Leadbelly, Robert Johnson or Bessie Smith.
Even today's
country artists have not listened to the Blues. The Blues help to enhance the
country sound and give it a more rugged and darkly entertaining sound. Cash,
Willie,and Patsy, I'm sure have went to a
blues club and gotten some good
inspiration. Hair bands like Kingdom Come , Ratt and Poison claimed to be
influenced by Led Zeppelin, but never bothered to find out that even blues
musicians made an impact on Page, Plant, Jones, and Bonham. These hair bands, in
my opinion have no
blues influence in them.
Even on crap shows like the new Star Search or American (crap) Idol
will
never have singers with the heart of Billie Holliday or the grit of John Lee
Hooker. Don't forget, New Kids On The Block were was an upper class caucasian
version of a streetwise r+b group called New Edition, both managed by a black
guy named Maurice Starr. New Edition parted with him due to monetary issues so
he created New Kids and guess who got more girls, merchandise deals, record
sales and more money. The New Kids should thank New Edition. If it hadn't been
for them, their bank account wouldn't be so huge right now.
The music world needs to do more to pay thanks, tribute and give the spotlight to those who paved the way. Whew! That was a good rant.
AJA, once again, you hit the nail on the head.
If you find a jazz musician who was influenced by Kenny G., let me
know,
and I'll send anonymous dirty e-mails to that person;) OK? OK!
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Guys he wasn't worth the effort. He was an ego maniac.
Who most likely had dreams of being a writer himself. No one was as smart or as
enlightened as he thought he was. I didn't boff him for a grade. I just told him
what he wanted to hear.( I would have done the same if it had been a woman
Professor/Jerk)
Sometimes, you need to know how to pick your battles. As I
told Fred long ago; I play to win, and take no prisoners. If that bothers your
prissy code of ethics, then "oh well". As far as a making a man look at your
eyes instead of your chest...A man who is borish enough to act that way will not
usually get manners or class because a woman demands it. I let them talk to my
tits if unavoidable, do what I need to, then walk away.
Angel, thanks... it
still sounds bizarre..lol
My Viking, guess it's just as well they don't know
what I offer you in trade for your skills as a mechanic. *winks* LMAO
*kisses~~~~~~~~*
I be what I want to be....M
User: Aja.........making posting look like working | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Debatable, St. Al! If 15-year-old Eric Clapton hears Muddy Waters for the first time and changes his whole playing style to reflect what he hears, and is then copied by everyone else years later when he makes it big, who gets credit? More people know Clapton than Waters (unfortunately), but who is the real influence? Would Clapton (and I'm just using him as an example) have become what he was without his influence?
Aja
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: St Al, give me a break. One break coming up . . . . .
James Brown? Celebrity Hot Tub does not influence make
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: St Al, give me a break. One break coming up . . . . .
James Brown? Celebrity Hot Tub does not influence make
User: Steveedan | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: For St. Al's top 10 most influential ...
Nobody mentioned Novelty Music Kings such as ...
Cheech & Chong (An
Earache My Eye, among many others)
Tim Lehrer (The Vatican Rag, New Math, and
others)
Spike Jones (simply too numerous to mention)
Nervous Norvus
(Transfusion, Ape Call, etc.)
... and the "MC" of same ... Dr. Demento
!!!
At times Frank Zappa, Randy Newman, and 10CC come into this category
too.
And let's not forget ... The Residents !!!
... I have a sad story to tell you
It may hurt your feelings a bit
But
last night I walked into my bathroom
and stepped in a big pile of SH...
Shaving cream, be nice and clean
Shave every day and you'll always be
keen.
Shavey-Stevee-Demento-Dan-OH
User: angel | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Molly: It is probably the metal in the ink, that is the problem, though I can't tell you from first hand experience. Google tatoo's and MRI for more.
User: Betty Friedan | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: That't right girl, you make them look up from ( * ) ( *
) and meet your eyes!
User: Helen Reddy | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: aja - i had the same thing happen to me, except it was intermediate macro-economics - even a quaker holds their ground no matter what, right?
lp
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Clas and Moll--Thanks.
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: I heard months ago from my friend who works for NPR that
Rick Derringer had a jazz CD coming out. We've been eagerly awaiting it's
release since the rumors started to fly. Maybe the wait is over...lol Rick
Derringer played on a couple of Dan tunes.
Dr. Mu, I have a black tatoo on my
stomach, I've been told that I need an MRI and that the black ink will make this
somewhat difficult/painful. You ever hear anything about that? It sounds a bit
farfetched.
Duncan, Thanks so much for my Bowie disca and tapes. You're a
Sweetheart! *kisses and hugs*
User: Aja.........................still not working | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: "I had a Literature Professor give me a failing grade on a paper I submitted on a poem because my interpretation didn't match his. Rather than argue, I redid the paper and mimiced his views. (I needed the credits for my degree) I batted my eyes and acted as if I were hanging on his every utterance after that incident. I passed with a good grade and made damn sure I never had the asshole for any more classes."
And the women's movement gets set back 10 years. What a shame, Molly. I had exactly the same experience when I got a B on an interpretive lit paper because my views were different than the prof's. I argued my case point by point, and received an A. I also got a heck of a lot of respect from him for holding my ground and NOT relying on my looks to get my way. When a woman uses her sexuality in a manipulative fashion, SHE'S the one who really loses.
Aja
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Aja -- yes and no. For instance, I would say The Beatles had far more impact on popular music than, say, Leadbelly. Regardless of who the artist themselves were influenced by, what ultimately did this artist accomplish? Another example: Miles Davis vs. Bix Beiderbecke. Bix came first, then Miles. Who is a greater influence over all of popular music. This could be debated by some but I'm guessing the general consensus from anyone would be Miles. And that is the point of this top ten list.
Furthermore, there is no wrong answer (save Van Halen)...:)
StAl
User: Aja...............back@work, not working | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Anybody who mentions a white, British artist from the 1960's as most influential also needs to mention the African-American artist from the Delta they were copying! If this has been mentioned before, I apologize-haven't had time to catch up on the past week's posts.
Rick Derringer has a smooth jazz version of his song "Rock and Roll Hootchicoo" out now. The best part? It sounds really Dannish!
Back to catching up on my lurking............
Aja
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Tones: Good god man, I said PICK 10! That's no fair. You've mentioned at least 50 artists now.
I expect your 10 (as in TEN. as in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10) most influential artists in my inbox by Saturday.
http://www.banyantrees.net/topten/
And I'm only goofing on W1P. I know Eddie was a major influence on guitarists throughout the 80's. Remember, I lived in LA when Van Halen hit so I'm all too aware of how important that band was. But Van Halen over, say, James Brown?
A couple of votes for Madonna too. Only one for Steely Dan. Very interesting.
Bill: Assuming your question is legitimate, you can submit a review for a product that's already been reviewed by clicking the "review this product" link under the review in question.
Now, if you're being facetious, then allow me (once again) to tell you to kiss my big hairy ass.
And Bill, where's your list? And no, Cliff Richard isn't a major influence on popular music. I know you were struggling between him and Herman's Hermits as your 10th choice, but I'd play it safe and go for David Cassidy instead.
StAl
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Steevee I soaked my feet for days after one day at NAMM -- I hear ya brother
User: duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: eohippus was the first small horse, could be reference to the last picture of the mother & foal.
User: angel | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Zeohippus 77: I read it at first as "The Hippest 77" A bit of a stretch, but interesting. Aja came out that year and it is known as their masterwork.
User: Swedish Nuerotica | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: So what happened to Clas?
User: Howard | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message:
Following up a few leads from The Blue...
(probably leading us further from the truth - keep in mind the elephant - but it's an interesting diversion...)
From a review of the Jack Walrath album "Neohippus":
"... tended to play off of the melodies of tunes and their moods rather than merely following chord changes and predictable patterns".
"...the somewhat scary 'Fright Night' ..." (Gaslighting).
From http://www.hevanet.com/solipsis/nova11.htm (sounds like a marginally
more sober version of the "leeches" material at the ODP!):
"...Neohippus running scared to neon twilight to bescorch me a dolphin headress."
Hmm...
Howard
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Pat,
So how do we review the reviews?
User: Duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Ref the artwork..
You could this check out, a very
similar style/name coincidence
http://www.studio78.net/
User: Howard | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Hutch - thanks for the tip-off about the ODP update. Has the unofficial "guess the cover art for The Next One" competition started then?
So, the Brits are sending 26,000 troops to Iraq. I really do hope that a UN led "solution" is still possible, but that is looking less and less likely.
Funny thing is, another BBC news story this morning mentioned that the Army has just send in orders for 20,000 boots and 90,000 jackets and trousers suitable for desert combat. These will be available "in a few months". So, if you spot a bunch of guys walking through the desert carrying rifles and wearing T-shirts, shorts and trainers, that'll be the British army!
Howard
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Laura Nyro.
goodnight
User: tones chicken soup | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: St. Al - Shite. I'm with W1P... Van Halen ruled the mid-west in the late 70's, and by the 80's every faux-metal guitar player in rock had to know Eruption as well as Stairway 2 Heaven. I can't believe I missed that one...
I got more (not logging them in above because I'm waaaaaaaaaay past 10 already) -
Todd Rundgren - I didn't put him on my list at first because nobody really sounds like Todd or Utopia, but when you consider consider who Todd's produced (Meat Loaf, New York Dolls, xtc, Badfinger, Grand Funk. Foghat, Shawn Cassidy... as well as Hall & Oates, Janis Joplin, Patti Smith, Psychedelic Furs, The Tubes... as well as Lords of the New Church, Sparks, Cheap Trick, Paul Butterfield, Tom Robinson Band... as well as...) that would be a lot of influence even if he hadn't written a lot of great songs.
King Crimson, Yes, Genesis - as a group, but in that order. I think their influence was more collective than individual, but they definitely paved the way for Rush and, in some ways, even Metallica.
Grateful Dead - set the *standard* for concert sound and fan social dynamics.
Nobody treated their fans better and with more repect. I wish they were even
more influential in that repect, but most bands still treat their audience like
cattle that are somehow being granted the "privledge" of paying hundreds of
dollars wade through traffic, get scalped by parking fees, and squeezed into
uncomfortable seats, just to hear them recite the hits... and the sound still
might suck.
Musically, whether you "get it" or not, their impact is *just
now* being assimilated. 30 years after they started! When some bands get 15 or
so years experience under their belts, they *might* have as much experience
playing live music as the Dead did in 1979, but I doubt it...
Talking Heads - anybody notice that if you replace the synths in trance music with real drums, guitar and bass you get Remain In Light... or if you play RIL at 45 you get techno... as much as I like Moby, Play had a huge basis in My Life In the Bush of Ghost... The Heads even did "alt. country" before it had a label...
Elvis Costello - he was the King of Rock and ROll for a while... then he got *really* good. We owe a lot of the really good pop songs of the early 80's to people trying to copy him, and a lot of crap too, but that's not his problem.
The Police - a lot of people didn't even know what reggae was until they bought the 1st Police album. Generally raised the level of musicianship whenever their songs came on the radio, though lyrically you might be pummeled by mediocrity (de doo doo doo, de dumb dumb dumb)
The Pixies - without whom, no Nirvana...
Ok... then there's the whole slew of people I wish had more influence...
The Dan
Jefferson Airplane
X
Peter Gabriel
Los Lobos
Rain Parade
Yoko Ono (shuddup ¦...)
Frank Zappa
The Stranglers
xtc
Van Morrison
Captain BeefHeart
Camper Van Beethoven
Meat Puppets
Arto Lindsey
...can't stop typing till I name every cd I own... btw, this is all my
ever humble opinion, ya know? Something to do while the soup and Batman is on...
signing in...
User: Steveedan | Month: 0 | Day: 21
Message: Hey hey DJ ... there's no question that Keneally is great. Remember when you and the Floyd boys and Mike played at Paladino's? I video taped that entire night. I thought that MK was not only a masterful musician and bandleader, but I also thought that his rapport with the audience was excellent ... both engaging and intimate ... which is a dying aspect of rock/pop music seen live. Another performer who is excellent at this is Sir Elton of John (who was feted at the NAMM show Friday night ... at the Anaheim Pond, others who were on that bill were Norah Jones, Diana Krall, Michael McDonald, Ray Charles, Randy Newman, Brian Wilson, Bruce Hornsby, Take 6, and others ...).
I remember approaching Mike after his great set at Paladino's to speak with him. He was very engaging and witty, and he was extremely gracious. It was a great night. I wish I could have seen him at NAMM, but, I was out of gas (so to speak). I spent a little time playing various piano/synths and looking at rhythm instruments and other accessories and generally had a great time running around during the convention. I am going to see if I might be able to get some real passes for the event next year. That might be a better way to go about things ...
Steveedan
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: Steevee -- the question is not whether you ARE a Keneally fanatic the question is whether you SHOULD BE. St Al -- love 'em or hate 'em Eddie Van Halen is cited by a staggering number of musicians as one of the most influential guitarists in history. That's why I put his band there.
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: Interesting poll results so far. I must say I'm surprised that the Nirvana is being included on almost everyone's list. Only 3 other artists, so far, have scored similar results -- Beatles, Elvis, and Jimi... Very interesting.
I'm sorry man, but I can't help but goof on W1P... Van Halen? You're kidding, right? LMAO...
StAl
User: Steveedan | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message:
W1P's quote: ..."Keneally had two performances at
NAMM on Friday -- the first one was just before noon acoustic with Bryan Bellar
on acoustic bass at the Taylor exhibit and was open to the convention attendees.
The second one was full band at the Hilton which required a pass. The point
being is that there was NO EXCUSE for missing the open show at the Taylor
exhibit."
Oh well, I guess I am not the Keneally fanatic that you may have thought he was ... Friday was the first time I have ever attended the NAMM Show. I went there for the whole scene ... I didn't even have one of those event books. I don't think drummer Paul had one either. Is that Taylor as in Taylor guitars? I wasn't aware of his presence there at all. I only found out about Keneally being present for that second performance at the Hilton, but as it turns out, by that time, I was too burnt to go to any of those shows, even though I didn't have a valid pass after the close of the day's convention. Paul and I ate roast beast at Rony Toma's on Harbor Blvd., then we drove back to Hollywood ... city of dreams.
I forgot to mention that Paul and I also saw two additional drummers on Friday ... Bruce (I forgot his last name), drummer for The Knack (Oh Boy !), and Omar Hakim. Cool looking dude, but we were heading the other way, so we didn't go up to talk to him. It was definitely fun, and I will go again next year.
Hi Molly ... how's by you and JJ?
Steveedan
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: Mu, I kind of gathered you'd be a good teacher from the things you've posted before. El (my Pharmacology Professor) was a hard ass with his students. He told me once that the majority of his students would go on to be Doctors and Pharamacists. They had to take his class in order to graduate. El wanted to make sure they knew their stuff. He demanded excellence, nothing less would suffice. Everyone assumed he'd be very arrogant and cold, but he was never like that with me. We laughed all of the time, and talked about everything. He was the gentlest man I've ever known. Everyone also assumed he was only interested in me because of my looks. Elton never treated me as a possession. He was very loving and good to me. Things are rarely how they appear on the surface.
User: I Must Not Think Bad Thoughts | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: The facts we hate, we'll never meet
Walkin' down the
road, everybody yellin' hurry up, hurry up
But I'm waiting for you, I must go
slow
I must not think bad thoughts
What is this world coming to?
Both
sides are right, but both sides murder
I give up -- why can't they?
I must not think bad thoughts...
The civil wars -- and the uncivilized wars
Conflagrations leap out of
every poor furnace
The food cooks poorly and everyone goes hungry
From
then on it's dog eat dog, dog eat body, body eat dog
I can't go down there, I
can't understand it
I'm a no-good coward, an American too
A North
American, that is, and I must not think bad thoughts
I'm guilty of murder of
innocent men
Innocent woman and innocent children
Thousands of 'em
My
planes, my guns, my money, my soldiers
My blood on my hands -- it's all my
fault
I must not think bad thoughts...
The facts we hate, you'll never hear us
I hear the radio's finally gonna
play "new music"
You know, the "British Invasion"
But what about the
Minutemen, Flesheaters, D.O.A.,
Big Boys and the Black Flag
We're the last
American band to get played on the radio
Please bring the Flag, please bring
the Flag
Glitter-disco-synthesizer-night-school
All this noble savage drum
drum drum
Astronauts go back in time to hang out with the ape people
It's
about time, it's about space
It's about some people in a strange
place
Woody Guthrie sang about B-E-E-T-S not B-E-A-T-S
I must not think bad thoughts...
X - 1983
User: Hutch | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: New graphic on the ODP. No updates though.
I was over there just now and found something that had been there all the time but I never noticed it. If you click on the Kamakiriad page there's a box labled "DF in the AMG". A rather nice lengthy (and pretty detailed) bio of Mr. Fagen.
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: BB, When are ya going to be in Colorado? It's a bit far
from Kentucky...but I'd love to have that drink with you Sugarman.
Linda,
sorry Honey! I thought it might be worth a try. ...
Hey guys, were forgetting
Eric Clapton. Cream had a major influence on Rock-n-Roll.
User: Button of the month: | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: Men are like floor tiles - if you lay them right the first time, you can walk all over them for years...
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: Prince removed my symbol
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: Ż: funny, but you should dig a little deeper into the Telgraph
Anon-ette: I don't blame you - most in the Ivory Tower or in your case near the Beltway are clueless
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/01/19/wirq19.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/01/19/ixnewstop.html/news/2003/01/19/wirq19.xml
Welcome to the End Game...rev up the Algerian jet...
Moll: - I've seen the Eminence Front thing - OR the Appeasement thing
(i.e., tail wagging the dog), and sometimes at the same time...I resolved years
ago to provide structure and enthusiam and expectation...and act like an
ordinary guy...
I was fortunate to have a major professor sounded like your pharamacology
prof...
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: Who's Buckethead? He's the guy who, among other things, was playing the role of Slash in Axel's new Guns & Roses (before they imploded). He plays with a silver mask over his face and an empty bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken as a hat. Here's what All Music Guide has to say about him:
Buckethead is one of the most bizarre and enigmatic figures in American underground and experimental music since Parliament-Funkadelic birthed their bevy of cosmic characters in the mid-'70s. An accomplished multi-instrumentalist best known for his virtuosic command of the electric guitar, Buckethead is one of the instrument's most recognizable contemporary innovators, his rapid-fire riffing, near-robotic fretwork, and idiosyncratic lead lines combining elements of Yngwie Malmsteen, Adrian Belew, Slayer's Kerry King, P-Funk's Eddie Hazel, and avant-improv artist John Zorn's Scud-attack sax abuse. His first group, the San Francisco-based metal-funk combine the Deli Creeps, was a regional success, but disbanded before they could release anything. Buckethead's solo career has been more productive, thanks mostly to the motivation of Zorn and Bill Laswell, the latter of whom Buckethead has also recorded and toured with in Praxis. Laswell has also produced a number of Buckethead's solo albums (including Dreamatorium and Day of the Robot) and included him on more than a dozen one-off recordings with the likes of Hakim Bey, Bootsy Collins, Anton Fier, Jonas Hellborg, and Bernie Worrell. In addition to releases including 1998's Colma, Buckethead has also contributed soundtrack material to such films as Last Action Hero and Street Fighter. Buckethead returned in 1999 with Monsters and Robots, after which he joined Guns n' Roses.
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: Steeveee, Keneally had two performances at NAMM on Friday -- the first one was just before noon acoustic with Bryan Bellar on acoustic bass at the Taylor exhibit and was open to the convention attendees. The second one was full band at the Hilton which required a pass. The point being is that there was NO EXCUSE for missing the open show at the Taylor exhibit.
User: Linda | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: i also forgot..
the monkees
the rolling
stones
beach boys
talking heads
Thank's Moll
I tried yoga about 6 years ago, to no affect.
I'm
sorry to say that so far mr ashcroft was wrong, the drugs DO work.
Linda
User: duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: oooppps...
it's a good idea to think about your top
ten..
i didn't.
this is who i missed off !!!
sex pistols
the doors
bob marley
michael jackson
led
zepplin
queen
bob dylan
elvis
stevie wonder
dinosaur jnr
great idea Pat.. glad i thought of it for you.
User: tones | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: snakie - the car's all warmed up and the tank is full... "get in let's go..."
We'll cruise through the Roadkill's drive-thru on the way...
User: Beerberian - aiming true | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: Pat; Thanx for both ... I listed the artists that way deliberately and I did pick up on the Weller gig ... I assumed it would be sold out ?? I was thinkin more along the lines of small & intimate - Dark Star Orch sound a distinct poss tho' I'm fatally drawn to bands with the initials DSO lol !!
How's the "Grizzly Rose" as a venue anyone ? looks like they play both kinds of music ...... Country AND Western yeehaaaaa !! Moll fancy a shot o red eye ?
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: Beer: Two things. One, I received your Top Ten submission, however I noticed you listed all single artists. I meant artists and/or music groups. If you'd like to rethink this list, please submit another one.
Second, your beloved Paul Weller is playing the Paramount Theater in Denver Colorado on 2/11... Also, if you're a Grateful Dead fan may I suggest the Dark Star Orchestra show on Friday the 14th. They are a tribute band with a twist in that they will play a particular Grateful Dead set song for song. At the end of the show they announce the which show they actually re-created. This band has had both Bobby and Phil sit in with them at different times, so they aren't just another Dead cover.
http://denver.citysearch.com/section/music/
StAl
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: Hey everyone!
Stevee, Nice to see your posts. I hope
all is well with you and your family. Say hi to Mrs.Stevee and kiss your little
one for me.
Dr.Mu,I agree with your post. I had a few Professors that did use
their position to give us their own political views. Mostly they wanted to let
their students how great they were. I had a Literature Professor give me a
failing grade on a paper I submitted on a poem because my interpretation didn't
match his. Rather than argue, I redid the paper and mimiced his views. (I needed
the credits for my degree) I batted my eyes and acted as if I were hanging on
his every utterance after that incident. I passed with a good grade and made
damn sure I never had the asshole for any more classes. I suppose I was
fortunate that a teacher I'd had in grade school taught us critical thinking
skills. I had my own opinions long before I began college. lol.... I was
involved with a Professor of Pharmacology.( no I was never in any of his
classes) He taught and also conducted research on various drugs ect.. Through my
association with him, I got a view into the funding dynamics you described.
User: does it matter | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: Dr Mu - Idiot savant
User: Mr. Stewart | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: Bill: Good quote. Point well taken.
User: Beerberian not only but also | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: USA; Happy MLK day
User: Beerberian doin his 9 - 5 | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: Pat; 10 submitted ( OK so I changed a few !!)
GB; Your Mission, should you choose to accept it? ..... Find me some LIVE music to see in the locale of Denver CO - Feb 11th - 20th ...Tickets booked, suitcases being packed incl the Dan Tee shirt ...... do the natives still like beads ???
User: Steveedan | Month: 0 | Day: 20
Message: Hey Pink !!! I didn't know that you were at NAMM ... and, I didn't ask either. I noticed that Keneally was playing, but, I could not get tickets. Also, if truth be known, ... I snuck into NAMM, so, you could say I'm from planet Stowaway. Who's buckethead?
Steveedan
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: Yes Steevee, it was impossible to see everything including me. I saw Skunk and Chris and Buckethead and Craig Marshall from Cubensis for that matter. You didn't go to the Keneally performance at the Taylor exhibit? What planet are you on?
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: Moll: I should add my borther in law is in Social Work - family counseling and is very bright, connects with patients, and is very good at it...
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: Moll: I congratulate you on your social work and helping others - my views are only toward a number of professors in sociology programs who have constructed a career based on personal bias or politics. While no one is completely objective, listening to lectures largely on someone's personal views rather than empirical data or reproducible paradigms has been a turn off for myself ...while I'm sure this did not apply to *your* program!!! ;-) , the external funding rat race has created an imbalance between "needs"-based research versus hypothesis-based research over the past 20 years..."needs" based should go more towards clinical settings, including social work, rather than academic settings, which is the current case...and don't even get me started on MDs with limited research training doing basic science - I, in turn, solemnly promise never to diagnose or write a pharmaceutical prescription...
To bite the hand that feeds me (twice), the problem started in Colleges of Education combined with the overexuberent self-absorption of a certain sect of the baby boomer generation...that makes me a Joe Queenan Democrat, I guess...
While I cannot attest to the compliance rate, we have been advised NOT to talk politics with undergraduate students - and I don't, although I do listen...
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: Hey Mu......watch it bud! I happen to have a degree in
Sociology. While I'm not as informed or as educated as you seem to be, I still
earned my degree. I lived on popcorn and tuna to put myself through college. I
chose Social work as my profession because I wanted to make a difference. I like
to think I have done so a few times in the past twelve years.
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: Facts are simple and facts are straight
Facts are
lazy and facts are late
Facts all come with points of view
Facts don't do
what I want them to
-David Byrne
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: Facist: I see you left your sense of humor at the door - the knee-jerk far left PC crap you're throwing around is the REAL facism in America over the past 20 years - and as my day gig is in a University setting and I know well what passes for "free speech" at many American Universities. Unless one is wishes to major in the sciences (not sociology) or engineering (applied science)...I would recommend K-12 and undergraduate schooling in the Netherlands or Germany or England (THAT would be a helluva voucher!)
suedavid: That's the 64 billion dollar question - Al Qaeda, Iraq and other terrorist nations/groups still have light years to go to match Hitler, Stalin, Mao, but they remain indefensible...
Most Islamic people are peaceful. I'll use a couple of sports examples: Muhammed Ali and Hakeem Olajuwon...both have spent enormous amounts of time with children and helping the poor. Over a thousand years ago, Islamic countries, empires, etc. (e.g., Persian) were far more advanced and civilized that Western Europe in the Middle Ages. Islam has no central organization. There are many adbantages to this. For example, there is no bureaucracy protecting religious leaders from accountability for pedophilia. A disadvantages is that the likelihood of more extremist groups might be increased...
The reasons are complex. In a nutshell, it's political and has roots in power...I believe that religion is used simply as an excuse for extremist behavior. In a nutshell - a move to Democracy has been very difficult for countries and people in the Middle East to Southeast Asia
some factors that may have contributed:
(1) Over 600 years of cruel rule by the Ottoman Empire (turks) which stretched from the Balkans to Saudia Arabia and Persia...many Arabs were nomads or bedouins moving toward food, water and away from the Turks.
(2) The British reneged on their promise to provide freedom to different ethnic groups and tribes in the Middle East after victory over the Ottoman Empire and Germay World War I...
(3) After World War II, the British were dissolving their Empire in the most expeditious manner possible from their perspective... However, the process involved the creation of a number of "made-up" countries.
(a) the large area of Palestine, which includes Jordan, the west-bank, and Israel today - was divided in a problematic fashion. Israels was originally to receive 50% of the land - they received 7%, granted that it was the best 7%, but Jewish settlers had revived the land from marsh and brambles - most was uninhabited in the first half of the 19th Century. The first Arab state was originally Trans jorda or across the jordan - there's no such thing as a Jordinian. Arabs & Isarelis & the UN reached an agreement of sorts, with a second Arab Palestinian state set up on the West Bank, but the Arab states united in 1948 to drive the israelis to the sea...and the rest is a long, miserable history...
(b) the made-up country of Iraq attempted to merge Kurds, Sunni Muslims, and Shiite Muslims, and they truly hate each other...
(c) In India, the situation the logic was even more pretzel-like. Areas that were mostly Hindu stayed as India. Areas that were a majority Islamic became the NEW country of Pakistan. Those who were of the minority religion in India or Pakistan were asked to move to the other country where they would be the majority. There's a classic scene from Gandhi where 2 long opposing rows of this segrationist march finally break down and a melee erupts. Before 1969 Bangladesh was East Pakistan and under the rule of Karachi (then the capital of East Pakistan and all of Pakistan)...
(d) There's no doubt that both the USSR and US used Middle Eastern countries as pawns during the Cold War propping up folks like the Shah of Iran (US),, Israel (US), Syria (USSR), Iraq (USSR) and the PLO (USSR)...little did we know things would get worse...
There has been a backlash in many area of the Middle East against Western culture, but not their money...Retro First Millenium, except they were more educated then and civilized back then...
Key movements over the past 25 years were towards repressive fundamentalist Theocracies (think about that!) and squelching Freedom of the Press. Only recently, the Al Jazeera network located in Qatar, distributor of the Osama tapes, and fodder for Letterman parodies - is the first attempt at free press. Nationalism is only a very recent and foreign concept to most. Hate of Israel (warranted or not) seems more of a uniting factor. The Russian occupation of Afghanistan also fueled a hate for the West. Many look at the decadence of the West has a harmful influence and wish it irradicated, and not just from the Middle East. Thus US has the most money and power, and therefore must be the most decadent. Communication is often at multiple levels and public and private stances are often far different.
If terrorism and threats to the US (yes, do do want to kills us and have said so) can be managed, we should help - but it in the end, it will be up to the peoople or the the governments of the Middle East to live in the First or Third Millenium...there are a growing number in Iran and other countries who do yearn for freedom and look for the opportunity to lift the yolk of repressive theocracies off their shoulders...
Tim: Your buddy Terry Nichols learned to make a ferlitiilizer bomb in the
Southern Philippines at an Al Qaeda camp. No one in the US knows how to make
one...
User: 444 | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: 444
User: Steveedan | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: How come nobody put Frank Sinatra in their list of most influential?
No war rhetoric from me ... spar on ...
On Friday I attended the NAMM convention in Anaheim (right next to Disneyland), California with my Pretzel Logic drummer Paul. Two other band members (i.e.: Pretzel Logicians) attended NAMM the day before. They met Chuck Rainey (bass player, recorded on lots of Steely Dan songs, including Peg ... for the readers who don't know ...) and gave him a CD of our band. On Friday, I met Bernard Purdie (drummer, recorded on lots of Steely Dan songs, including Babylon Sisters, and Green Earrings ... for the readers who don't know ...) and I gave him a CD of our band. I brought our drummer back to his booth to meet him. It turns out that Paul had hung out with Purdy the year before ... and Purdy remembered ... somehow ... through the haze).
Paul found Jeff "Skunk" Baxter (but unfortunately, I was not with Paul at that time) and I could not find him later to give him a CD ... oh well, Paul told Skunk about us, and who knows ... maybe he'll come and check us out some time. We also saw Dennis Chambers, but he seemed extremely 'unapproachable' ... so we didn't go up to him.
Floridavid was there, but, I didn't find him. After the close of the convention, we stormed the adjacent hotels where various parties were taking place. In one of the hotel lobbies we saw Chester Thompson (drummer, plays with Genesis, played with Zappa, Weather Report, and many more ... for the readers who don't know ...) he smiled at us as we walked past him ... and the final (but non-Steely) siting was ...
Chris Squire (bass player, one of the most successful and longest running progressive rock musicians in history, ... for the readers who don't know ...)of Yes. Paul had been given a photo of Squire earlier at the convention by a friend, so we walked up to Chris and chatted with him for a while, and Paul got Chris to autograph the photo. I shook Chris' hand (this guy is huge, ... it's no mystery why his Rickenbacker bass guitar looks so small in his hands) and he politely excused himself and went on his way.
The convention itself is so vast, it was absolutely impossible to see everything. People came from all over the world, the country, and California to attend the convention. What you've got there is a massive amount of vendors for all kinds of electric and acoustic instruments, gadgets, sheet music, and beautiful female models to feast your eyes on.
And free stuff too, ... at least, ... I thought most of it was free ...
PRETZEL LOGIC BAND - LIVE AT THE BAKED POTATO, SUNDAY FEBRUARY 9TH,
2003.
Come one, come all, but come on time, OK?
Steveedan
User: suedave | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: Moll: thanks!
Clas: I read it the first time. You are kind of fun when you're cranky.
Randy: that is eerie.
¦: nice writeup of the Norah Jones on Marian McPartland. Since I don't listen to that show much, I though it was also a good idea to get ready for the big show coming up in a few weeks, to get an idea of how her show works. And it was fun to hear Norah Jones in a different setting than her CD.
There are extremists everywhere (as we know here). Why such extremism in Muslim extremists? Does it have something to do with their beliefs of getting into the world past the current one or something altogether different?
Highlights of the Horace Silver show on Jazz Profiles: Horace lost his mother when he was young, but his Dad took often him to the amusement park on Sundays. One Sunday, he saw the trucks unloading equipment for Jimmy Lunceford's band, and he begged his Dad to stay for just one song. At that time black people were not even allowed into the show, but he did manage to talk his Dad into staying for about 4 songs. At that show he learned he wanted to dedicate his life to music. His Dad supported him through it. He got a break in his career playing a show in Hartford, CT, and through that he was asked to play with Stan Getz (I think). He moved to NYC and felt lucky to be a young adult in the 1950's in NYC, able to go catch shows by the musicians on the forefront of jazz. His composing style is rather free-form - each song takes on a life of its own, if he likes it, it stays, if not, in the trash. The show also mentioned that he still plays live from time to time!
User: EricRudolph | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: What Tim said
By the way, thanks Herr Ashcroft for scaling back the search for me
Coming soon to a family planning center near you . . .
User: TimMcVeigh | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: What's this muslim extremist bullshit?
Us right wing conspiracy nuts are just as capable of terroristic killing
User: The fascist police | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: The arguement below is like saying that "men" have caused in every war in history - Trivialising every matter (just or otherwise) that drove desperate people to do these unspeakable things (You mention at least half a dozen completely disparate causes). Stop blaming "Muslim extremists" for all the ills of the world, you sound like CNN - What about the CIA and your own human rights abuses all over the globe for the last 300 + years ????
Warning to GBers - Approach the Telegraph with caution - Its the biggest load of right wing cr@p ever and functioned as the mouthpiece of Margret Thatcher and her corrupt warmongering henchmen for years. (When is she being prosecuted for war crimes by the way ??)
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: Howard; maybe we'll be right about iraq after all??
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/topstory/1742337
Moll: Nah, hardly. I do encourage you to take my CONSPIRACY QUIZ
1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and
massacred
by:
a. Olga Corbitt
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold
Schwartzeneger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
2. In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost
Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim
male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.
3. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon
by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d.
Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
4. In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza
delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male
extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year
old
American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair
by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male
extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
6. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy
diver
trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kid
b.
Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between
the ages of 17 and 40
7. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The
Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male
extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard
Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists
mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
9. In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a.
Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women
problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists
mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
10. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles
to
take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed
into
the US Pentagon and the other was diverted to a crash by the
passengers.
Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E.
Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr.
Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
11. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a.
Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists
mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was! kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonny
and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists
mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
If your answers are a,b, or c to all of the above then an e-mail will be
sent in you name to the FAA to ensure that airport security screeners will
continue to focus random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline
pilots with proper identification, 18 year old twin Janie Runaways, and
distraught young female executives...
Could it be Time has joined the conspiracy notion?
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030127-409508,00.html
Jemaah Islamiah (J.I.), a terrorist network in Asia has been tied into Osama and Al Qaeda in the Bali Bombing
An informative White Paper about terrorist networks by the government of Singapore can be downloaded at this URL
http://www.asiaobserver.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/000015.html
If you are want objective news in Asia - see this link -
http://www.asiaobserver.com
There are few centrist media outlets left in the US (TV or newspaper - who has time to balance the Wash Post & Times). The Houston Chronicle is one of the few centrist papers...
http://www.houstonchronicle.com
The best written and most objective online paper IMO is UK's The Telegraph for international news. BBC is OK, but is written at a USA TODAY level
http://www.telegraph.co.uk
Randy: no one doubts your patriotism - but I don't believe anti-War Protestors were allowed (alive) outside the Fuhrer's office in Berlin in 1936
Hitler blamed the Jews - we have... a hole in the ground in NYC where they used to grow...
"A world become one,
salads and sun..." You know who
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: So I've been busy this morning. I've created a review page where you can submit reviews of music recordings, equipment and concerts. Similar to Amazon's review system. Submit your review today!
http://banyantrees.net/reviews/view.pl?event=MainPage
StAl
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: Awww Clas, Sugarman Don't be that way..
*mmmmmmwwwwwwwwaaaaaaahhhhhhhh* lol
No matter how surly you act, I know
you're really a Sweetheart.
Duncan, I wouldn't know about the botox
connection for headaches. However, a friend told me of a few simple techniques
that helped me whenever I get a migraine. He is a martial artist and showed me
how to take very deep breaths like they learned while practising their Kung -fu
things. One breathes in deeply.( as if you can feel your breath in your stomach)
Then exhale very very slowly. Do this several times. Apparently it will
oxygenate the blood flowing to your brain. I laughed at him at first, but
finally tried it to get him to stop nagging me about it. It worked. My head felt
better immediately. Another technique he showed me, was to apply firm pressure
on both sides of your head; right behind your temples, and over the front
portion of your head. (over your forehead) He did this for maybe 5 minutes. It
too made my headache go away. Might be worth trying. Say hi to Mrs DB and kiss
the little man for me.
Dr. Mu, I'm now convinced you know about everything!
*bows and blows Mu a kiss*
Bluz, sorry I missed you. I'll try to catch you
another time bud. I've been painting my ass off, and wrestling my little wild
man the last few days...lol. Talk soon ?!!
BB,it was good to chat with you.
Tell Paul I was asking about him. *kisses& hugs*
Off to sledding with
JJ....
Peace M
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: That IS Larry Carlton on guitar, who co-wrote the theme for Hill Street Blues, Emmy winning theme...opening montage juxtaposed with the theme is classic, handheld cameras, let's be careful out there...
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: Ok gang -- Top Ten Submsion form is available here:
http://www.banyantrees.net/topten/
Submit your choices now!
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: Clas: Hill Street Blues was a ground breaking TV show from the early 1980's. It changed the face of television. Here's a link to the theme music.
http://www.net-hlp.com/hsb/index.htm#theme
Ok, you people are moving too fast. Desert island discs, personal fav's...
I'm working on a submission for so I can acurately track this stuff and post
it to a webpage.
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: Bad Sneakers - I am not sure what Hill Street Blues is. Could you enlighten me?
User: C @ W | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: "Clinton recently went to Rwanda to officially apologize."
Did he apoligize to the dead ones too?
¦ - when I am logging in, I see you're pretty busy. Are you sure you're talking your Lithium properly? Be careful.
It's much to scroll. Take a rest now, Mu.
---
Molly/Suedave - didn't I tell you to fuck off?
User: Thanks for the pepp..on that pie | Month: 0 | Day: 19
Message: t
Thanks
the tide is going out now..
26. Bowie..live in philly and everything after/
27. fripp & eno/eno all/
28. Be-Bop Deluxe..all/
29. Jeff Beck..beckology box set/
30. Jimi Hendrix..all/
31. Robin Trower..all/
32. Gary Moore..all/
33. Muddy Watters..all/
34. Janis..all/
35. John Lee Hooker..hooker n' heat/and all discs/
36. Canned Heat..all/
37. Lydia Pense..Cold Blood..all/
38. Willie Dixon..all/
39. Tower Of Power..all/
40. Quicksiver Messenger service..qms/happy trails/
41. Tyrone Davis..all/
42. Ray Charles..all/
43. Traffic..all/
44. Horace Silver..all/
45. Jack Teagarden..all/
46. Chris Rea..all/
47. Moody
Blues..all/
again not in any order...
bluz
User: Eno... | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: Brian fuckin' Eno.
After Joni, before Bowie...
Hey bluz... is #1 reserved for the new one? And almost all George but only 4 Beatles?
Let's send out for a pizza and talk about this...
t
User: David Benkart | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: I never studied Napolean. I was jamming at a piano recently and was accused of sounding like Fagen. Geez. There is a God. D.
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: suedave: Yes, I should add Horace Silver to my list. Not only for THAT piano phrase on Song for My Father, but for his ability to fuse Latin, syncopated rhythms with bebop. Besides Song for my Father, Senor Blues is a real favorite of mine... There's a lot of Horace in some artists of the rock era: a lot in Steely Dan I - Do it Again, Only a Fool, Razor Boy, Dr, Wu Gaucho and on and on, Stevie Wonder, Santana, Michael Franks, even Billy Joel ripped him off on Zanzibar and Rosalinda's Eyes...
Hear Norah on the virtual radio out of San Antonio - among others on Piano Jazz she did a Horace Silver tune with lyrics she found a few years ago.
Marian McPartland is a very gracious host and it's clear she was fond of Norah as a person and an artist - she was tickled to have a youngster with a real feel for the great standards:
First Marian played piano on September in the Rain with Norah singing. Marian plays a really cool angular jazz piano - she likes to have some fun with arrangements and improvisation...and at her age or any age - WoW, Marian and Norah made a great pair on this one. Norah caressed then put some ring into here singing.
Next, Norah played piano and sung a blues classic In the Dark. She has an amazing feel for the blues - a real power and punch - one of the highlights of the hour...here she sounds like a cross between Rickie Lee Jones and Billie Holliday.
A very comfortable fit with Comes Love - a bluesy 30s or 40s sounding tune with Marian on piano and Norah with vocals
marian then played For All We Know solo - a nice treat for norah - the first song she ever played on stage...
Both play piano on the next song - beautiful - but did not catch the name (I Can't Get Started?)
Then Marian tried a new arrangment of Don't Know Why with norah in a wistful mood.
Peace is a song by Horace Silver that she's played live in the past when she sang mostly jazz standards before they focused on originals. Norah found the lyrics written by Horace tucked away somewhere - Marian was surprised ...I've heard this one as an MP3. Norah OWNS this one - another highlight.
Marian and Norah then traded eights on Nearness of You - again a different arrangement. This is something i noticed live - that she doesn't play the songs from the album by rote - arragments are usually slightly different, less so when they do TV gigs...
The set ended with Beautiful Friendship, again with a real 1930s jazz feel...
User: Deserted Island Discs | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: Folks
don't claim to have the clutch on the all time
greatest..but
here would be my deserted Island discs...
1.
2. Bob Dylan.."bringing it all back home"/highway 61 revisted/blonde
on
blonde/pat garrett and billy the kid/
3. Beatles.."rubber soul" sgt.peppers/the white album/abbey road/
4. The Byrds..box set
5. Joni Mitchell.."ladies of the canyon"/court and spark/the hissing of summer lawns/hejira/
6. The Flying Burrito Brothers..all/
7. Stanley Turrentine..all/
8. Eddie Harris..all/
9. Miles..all/
10. George Harrison.."all things must pass"/and everything after...
11. Van Morrison..'them"/astral weeks/moondance/tuelo
honey/st.dominics
preview/poetic champions compose/hymns to the silence/days
like these/
12. Houston Person..all/
13. Bobby Darin.."live at the copa"/box set/
14. Etta James..all/
15. Jerry Lee Lewis.."live at the palomino club"
16. The Four Tops..all/
17. Judie Tzuke..all
18. Stan Getz..all
19. Led Zepplein..all
20. Elton John.."tumbleweed connection"/madman across the water/songs
from
the west coast
21. Pink Floyd..all
22. Steelydan..all
23. Rickie Lee Jones..all
24. Roxy Music.."flesh and blood"/avalon/
25. The gary beck interviews 1975-1988..all/
none of these in order..spur of the moment..off the cuf..and the tide is on the way.
bluz
User: suedave | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: sorry for that late post, perhaps there is a second chance to hear the show Jazz Profiles, in your area, since there is a 2 week timeframe for NPR stations to replay the show. Also they post a summary of the show.
http://www.npr.org/programs/jazzprofiles/latest/index.html
Steely Dan was of course mentioned.
User: suedave | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: was getting ready to check out Norah Jones on local radio station. Just in case anyone is out there ... nice special on Horace Silver on www.kplu.org right now!
User: Hans | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: Vas Randy?
That fat slob Goering
Where's my air
cover?
ache loke!
User: Randy | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message:
"Of course the people don't want war... that is
understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the
policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a
democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to
danger. It works the same in any country."
- Hermann Goering, Adolf Hitler's Deputy Chief and
Luftwaffe Commander, at
the Nuremberg trials, 1946.
From "Nuremberg Diary" by GM Gilbert
"...Thanks to George Bush and those Nazis / Down in Washington, D.C. /
Way
down in Washington, D.C...."
- Steely Dan, "Fall of '92"
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: anyone heard about using botox to cure tension
headaches. ?
Linda's been suffering daily now for 10
years.
cheers
db
User: Q | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: "A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" - Churchill
Just seemed to fit the GB on a number of levels - current and otherwise
User: t | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: The list - day 2:
Carole King! Curtis Mayfield! Good calls... I almost put Carole King on my list yesterday, but thought she was too post Joni, forgetting of course all the great songs she co-wrote in the 60's. *Major* faux pas on my part...
How about Phil Spector... not exactly a band, but...
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: Bill: Those are Peter Max Zoo Shoes to be exact.
When I composed my list I was thinking in terms of most influential modern rock and roll musicians/groups. I supposed I shuold have clarified this better, because I most certainly would have included the artist on Tones and Mu's list and dropped Zep, The Dead, etc...
All excellent choices. I'm working on getting the poll working again in order to more accurately track this stuff.
Mr. Stewart: Yeah, there are so many things that Georgie Boy is doing that scares the shit out of me. He really must be stopped. But I suspect, given current trends, American apathy and stupidity will allow his victory in 2004.
User: Mr. Stewart | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message:
I don't count myself as a believer in the dystopian
futures imagined in Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" or George Orwell's "1984,"
but I think it would be a mistake to regard the trend of events as somehow
favorable to the cause of liberty. President Bush likes to present himself as
the embodiment of the spirit of 1776, but to the directorship of the Pentagon's
new Information Awareness Office he appointed Vice Admiral John Poindexter, a
royalist ideologue, a convicted felon, and a proven enemy of both the American
Congress and the articles of the Constitution. As national security advisor to
President Ronald Reagan in 1985, the admiral supervised what came to be known as
the Iran-Contra swindle-- the selling of missiles to the despotic ayatollahs in
Iran in return for money with which to fund, secretly and illegally, a thuggish
junta in Nicaragua.
After the scheme collapsed under the weight of its
criminal stupidity, the admiral repeatedly lied to the congressional committee
investigating the farce (thus his convictions on five felony counts), and when
called upon to account for his false testimony he said he considered it his
"duty" to conceal information too sensitive to be entrusted to loud-mouthed
politicians.
Not an honest or liberal-minded man, the admiral, but unfortunately
representative of the arrogant corporatists currently in charge of the
government in Washington. Glimpsed in the persons of Secretary of Defense Donald
Rumsfeld, Vice President Dick Cheney, and Attorney General John Ashcroft, the
senior managers of the Bush administration make no secret of their contempt for
the rules of democratic procedure (inefficient, wrong-headed, and slow), their
distrust of the American people (indolent and immoral, corrupted by a debased
popular culture, undeserving of the truth), and their disdain for the United
Nations and the principle of international law (sophomoric idealisms popular
with weak nations too poor to pay for a serious air force). I don't for a moment
doubt the eager commitment to the great and noble project of "regime change,"
but on the evidence of the last eighteen months they've been doing their most
effective work in the United States, not in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, or Iraq.
Better understood as radical nationalists than as principled conservatives, they
deploy the logic endorsed by the American military commanders in Vietnam (who
found it necessary to destroy a village in order to save it), and they offer the
American people a choice similar to the one presented by the officers of the
Spanish Inquisition to independent-minded heretics- give up your liberty, and we
will set you free.
Lewis Lapham-- Harper's, Feb 2003
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: My buddy Tom Freund, who has drawn comparisons to Graham
Parker and Tom Waits, plays live Wednesday, February 5th @ 7:00 at Lakeside
Lounge (N.Y.)
162 Ave B, NY NY 10009, 212-529-8463, FREE / 21+ -- a bargain
at twice the price!
User: errata | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: horror
genocide
North Vietnamese control since 1975
User: follow the Ho Chi Minh trail | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: Ho Chi Minh - that looks right
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message:
Aussie: nice find! James Brown - good choice and
Jelly Roll...
Moll: You started in the right direction, but then...
Cambodia was led by Prince Sihanouk until 1970. Lon Nol was premier, and the later overthrew Sihanouk in 1970 (?) sending him into exile. Lon Nol was an anti-communist and was able to fight off a number of communist faactions for a while.
The problem began in 1971, when Nixon and Kissinger thought it would be a good idea to bomb and invade Cambodia in an effort to disrupt the Ho Chi Min (sp?) trail, a complex over and underground supply line from North Vietnam to NVA troops and the Viet Cong (South Vietnamese rebels sympathetic with the North). The invasion and bombing backfired - the NVA simply moved the Ho Chi Min trail further into Cambodia. When that occurred, the North Vietnamese ran into what was then a smallish band of Cambodian communist rebels called the Khmer Rouge (Red Cambodia) led by the soon to be vicious Pol Pot. Now the Khmer Rouge was well-supplied with arms and ammo and food. They grew in force until they overthrew the Pol Pot government in 1975. Mass starvations and genocide of the Cambodians followed. At that point North Vietnam had a seige on Saigon, which soon fell, and Gerald Ford and the US were in no position to do anything about Vietnam or the hoor of Cambodia. There's an Academy Award winning movie The Killing Fields about the ggenocide in Cambodia at thte hands of Pol Pot.
Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge got into skirmishes on the Vietnam border between 1975-1978. Vietnam (now completely under North Vietnamese control since 1979), invaded Cambodia in 1979 and overthrew Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge installing a puppet government. The Khmer Rouge or what was left retreated to the Thai border, where they caused trouble there for a while. Fighting continued through the 80s. The Vietnamese left and the UN set of a government in 1992. Pol Pot, with only a handful of troops kept fighting until he died in 1998. Last I heard, Prince Sihanouk was attampeting his 9th comeback...
User: jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: LAST CHANCE TODAY!
NORAH JONES ON PIANO JAZZ TODAY ON NPR.
User: Mistress of Mayhem | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: Opps forgot! Jimbo.....I'm there. NPR whoo
hey!
Aussie thanks for web address
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: Hey everyone!
Clas, in every war there are innocent
casualties. That is why war is so horrible. I think most men who have ever been
in combat feels remorse for taking lives. Even if they're convinced it was the
absolute right thing to do.
Dr.Mu, It was my understanding (and I may be
wrong) that the Khmer Rouge allied with the North Vietnamese. After the U.S.
left, the Khmer Rouge decided they wanted North Viet Nam. They turned on the
Vietnamese and killed anyone in their path. I don't believe that the Vietnamese
lived happily ever after after the evil Americans left as Clas asserts.
Sue,
Clas just gets grumpy and wants to argue...
My list:
Bob Dylan
The Beatles
Jimi Hendrex
Les Paul
Buddy
Holly
Elvis Presley
Johnny Cash (he sang about real things before Dylan
started to shave)
Miles Davis
Robert Johnson
Richie Havens
Curtis
Mayfeild
User: SD Psychic | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: I see it now... It's Pat Beemer...
He's sitting
behind his desk wearing a nehru jacket with love beads
around his neck...
He's got a peace sign headband on with a "Dump Nixon"
button on his pocket...
are those elephant bellbottom pants he's wearing?
Where did he get those shoes?
User: Aussie | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: For lovers of jazz and those who enjoy to trace the beginnings of this form of music, www.redhotjazz.com has a compilation of an incredible array of jazz masters and pioneers and their early recordings (late 1800's and on!!!). Many of these early pioneers have audio files of recordings which are available FREE for your listening pleasure on your computers with a simple and gratis download of realaudio/realplayer also found on the internet.
It's simply amazing what's there to pick from. And quite an education it is in this great country's musical beginnings.
Enjoy.
Aus
User: bad sneakers | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: OK ôStanding on the shoulders of giants timeö
Ten most influential rock guitarists of the last 50 years
Les Paul
Jimi Hendrix
Eric Clapton
Jimmy Page
Eddie Van
Halen
Johnny Marr !!!
Joe Satriani
Pete Townshend
George
Harrison
Jeff Beck
12 most influential Bass players
James Jamerson
Paul McCartney
Jaco Pastorius
Stanley Clarke
Billy
Sheehan
Jack Bruce
Jerry Jemott
Marcus Miller
Victor
Wooten
Flea
Geddy Lee
Derek Smalls
User: Bad Sneakers | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: Beers
The benefits of having an always-on connection and not being there much eh !!!
I was away for most of June last year, all of July and all of August so any posts from the studio address were from people "having a laugh" trying to wind things up in here and clients who were only there for a short time and didn't care what they wrote (you know the cocktail Musos + drugs/drink + spare time on their hands) - can't stop them its still happening now. Mark you there must be 3 "Clas" posters - at least "Bill" is consistent.
Time for a log in system or membership St Al ????
User: Aussie | Month: 0 | Day: 18
Message: Spell Cheque:
Lucille Hegamin and her Blue Flame
Syncopaters
Influential Forces partte deux:
Cannonball Adderly
James Brown
Duke
Ellington
Ella Fitzgerald
Benny Goodman
Louis Armstrong
Sidney
Bichet
Eubie Blake
Jelly Roll Morton
Wilbur Sweatman
Clarence
Williams
Billy Holiday
Aus
User: suedave | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: one more thing - I haven't tried it yet myself because of the timing, but this looks like fun!
Call the President!
The Bush White House has an "opinion" line. The line accepts calls from 9-5 EST, Monday through Friday. Call 202-456-1111. A machine will detain you briefly; then a live operator will ask you to say "I oppose" or "I approve." It will take only a few minutes. The president has said that he wants to know what the American people are thinking. Tell him.
User: suedave | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Inner freedom? Illusions of freedom? Clas, will you pick one or the other and tell me more about the non-American person in the rice field? Americans aren't allowed freedom, they have too many choices. Nevermind me, I'm confused LOL.
After these discussions, it seems I don't really need freedom anyways, it is too damn controversial. Inner peace is a better goal. Sometimes I forget to strive for it, but communicating is a good thing, even if we don't ever agree. The next one helps. So would Martin-Logan speakers.
I've liked many of the lists, mine, in no particular order are
Carole King
Elvis
Jimi Hendrix
Grateful Dead
James Brown
Chuck
Berry
Velvet Underground
Stevie Wonder
Pearl Jam or Alice in
Chains
Supremes/Four Tops
Beatles
Chubby Checkers
Yardbirds
Bob
Dylan
It is hard to stop at 10.
Centrist this morning at work, lefty liberal tonight,
Susan
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Will anyone be listening to Piano Jazz today on NPR?
Norah Jones is the musical guest.
One more month till our boys get their
turn.
User: Aussie | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Influential forces partte one:
Edith Wilson
Lucille Hegarrin and her Blue Flame Syncopators
Ma Rainey
& Bessie Smith
Sylvester Weaver
Lucille Bogan
John Lee
Hooker
Buddy Guy and Junior Wells
The Beatles
Muddy Waters
Jimi
Hendrix
Robert Fripp and Brian Eno
Robert Johnson
Miles Davis
John
Coltrane
Fats Domino
Stevie Winwood and Traffic
Led Zeppelin
Black
Sabbath
Lee Morgan
Tito Puente
Devo
Bob Marley & the
Wailers
Cream
Black Flag and Henry Rollins
more later.
Aus
User: Mr. Stewart | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Clinton recently went to Rwanda to officially apologize.
"We need to heed the words of the Dalai Lama--
or at least the words of
your mama"
Micheal Franti
Spearhead
User: Oh maaaaaan... | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Don't *even* get me started on influential jazz cats... but if you're gonna, then ya gotta throw in the blues and folk cats too: Leadbelly, Woody Guthrie, Robert Johnson...
But let's not... I gotta get some sleep this weekend... of course I could always blame Clinton for my lack of sleep...
t
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Altamira, IMO living an austere life would seem vastly
different than living one under tyranny. I readily admit that I'm basing that
assumption on what I've read about by Anmesty International, (yes... I'm a
member Bill .....)and some things related to me personally by a few people that
lived in China and El Salvadore.
User: one more | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: importantly - many of the families of Korea were divided during the Korean War - they are concerned about a war that would kill cousins they haven't seen in 50 years...
The North Korean gov't jams all incoming radio and TV broadcasts. Evidently, most in North Korea were completely unaware that the Olympics were held in Seoul in 2000!!!!
User: oops | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Pol Pot = Lon Nol
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Wow! I'm away for a couple of days due to the day gig swallowing me whole 24/7, and the chaos is even better than expected! LOL
It's official - I'm a centrist, leaning toward libertarianism
StAl: Yeah, I noticed Clinton said and did nothing about Rwanda
I highly recommend that Toyota Corolla or Camry have good mileage and easy to park on those hilly streets... or the new Honda fuel cell autos - If you need a family vehicle - the Sienna is nice
Moll: The only conspiracy I believe in is Mike Dunleavy Jr's dad tricking him into leaving early...now he's riding the pine at Golden State! Get a degree next time!
Lon Nol and the Khmer Rouge killed 2/3 of the population of CAMBODIA, not Vietnam. The Vietnamese gov't finally got sick of it and invaded in the 80s occuping the country for about 6 years...I think just monkeys are left there now...my 7 year old son informed me that Southeast Asia has more species of monkeys than anywhere else on the globe...
Bill: There are a number of reasons we're not going into North Korea...I got some insider info from my Korean students and contacts...
(1) The topography is similar to the mountains of North Carolina...and in the winter it's about 5¦ F...very difficult terrain
(2) Pyonyang had 2 nukes or more in easy shooting distance of Seoul, which has 11 million inhabitants
(3) Most people in South Korea under the age of 40 have little concern about politics
(4) The new South Korean President is unpredictable...flunked out of law school, but passed the equivalent of the Bar exam...
(5) We have no idea how close the ties with China are, or how the Chinese would reaact. Thanks to Bill C, Chinese nuke missles can hit LA, and we don't have a missle defense system up yet...
(6) Japan's support has been lukewarm
(7) Powell and the Pentagon owls know any military engagement would be long and bloody...
Top 12 influences - now part of this is dependent on WHO they influenced
and the quality of their progeny so to speak as well as the original artists
meritorious work...in no particular order
Miles Davis
Benny Goodman (the ebony and ivory Carnegie Hall concert
is enough)
Bob Dylan
The Beatles
Fats Domino
Charlie Parker
Duke
Ellington
Louis Armstrong
The Beatles
early Dizzy Gillespe
John
Coltrane
George Gershwin
User: Shoot! | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Can I have another one?
Bowie. Slide him in there between Neil and the Allmans...
This could go on all weekend...
t
User: Oh shit!! | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: You're right Beers! How could I forget Robert Nesta Marley!!!
So, actually... slide him in there right underneath Motown on my list... in fact, make it the Wailers as a whole, because without Peter and Bunny, there would have been no Bob...
t
User: tones | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Top 10 most influential, imho:
Bob Dylan
Beatles
Elvis Presley
Chuck Berry
Little
Richard
Rolling Stones
Motown (as a whole)
Jimi Hendrix
James
Brown
Led Zeppelin
...really hard to stop at ten... so I won't...
The Band
Velvet Underground
Joni Mitchell
Neil Young
Allman
Brothers
The Stooges
The Ramones
Sex
Pistols
Parliament/Funkadelic
Prince
Ok... who did I miss? I really tried to put them in the order of the
extent of their influence as I see it. Other that I see as influential, like the
Dead, I left out because I think their influence is just relatively recently
being felt. Others, like Zappa, the Who, Laura Nyro, are just so unique that
their influence is felt, but much harder to pin point.
Big point to Beers for mentioning the Stranglers... :-)
t
User: Aja..............kick off your shoes, it's party time! | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Shaun-I was. Obviously.
Aja
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Altamira- that's great.
StAl - email me your phonenumber, I lost it. I feel like talking.
User: Beerberian tribal sound of marching feet | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Bad S;How's this for peaceful reconciliation ...that world cup thing bothered me for a long time mate LOL ...I could not for the life of me line up your normal posts with that attack ?? he hehe Nottingham 25th ? I'll buy beer(s) of peace ?
Pat; You're not one to back down r u ... change of tack , challenge to THE 10 I put a case forward for Robert Marley I , I & I do I have a second ?
subs on the bench ... Van Morrison (Hoops will support) , Freddie Mercury , and Velvet Underground
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Moll--I would not necessarily agree that it's easier to develop inner freedom if one is not living under tyranny--the distractions of an easy life can take one's attention away from one's spiritual life. In the books I've read about great spiritual leaders, many of them came from difficult backgrounds in repressive societies--not all, of course, for example, St. Francis or the Buddha. Also, I can think of many people over the years whose time in prison, for example, caused their spiritual lives to become deeper and richer--Dietrich Bonhoeffer, for example. I've read accounts of some of these people's experiences and they wrote that the deprivation in their lives caused them to fall back on their inner resources. Of course, these are exceptional people; most people who are living in extremely difficult circumstances don't do well at all.
My thoughts on this are, obviously, pretty rudimentary. I'd certainly enjoy reading your thoughts on why not living under a tyranny improves one's ability to find inner freedom; your theory is probably much better worked out than mine.
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: "Many of his survival skills learned up to that point made him an excellent soldier."
Killing civilians in Vietnam?
Song My?
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Molly - what is living in tyranny? Living in the The Mississppi Delta?
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Oh Clas, I love it when you're grumpy. LMAO My Dad was
drafted into the Army. He'd had a hard life up to that point. Like most farm
boys, my Father adapted well to the discipline and hardships of the Military.
Many of his survival skills learned up to that point made him an excellent
soldier. In fact I'm certain being warm and well-fed while in training must have
seemed like a great luxury. He did a few tours in Korea and then later Viet Nam.
While in Viet Nam, he contracted malaria. But, We never talked of his activities
there. He told me of Viet Nam's art, their Temples and the blood-red sunsets. He
was enthralled with seeing such creatures as tigers and elephants in their
natural environment. Dad didn't agree with the policies pertaining to Viet Nam.
He left the Army instead of rejoining because he felt that we were wrong to be
there.
Re: inner freedom. It's a hell of a lot easier to achieve inner
freedom when one is not living under tyranny.
User: ANON | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Clas- Don't forget another thing you are... a major asshole!
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: TBC - I am doing a lot of things in my life. Being a composer is one of those things.
The difference between you and me is that you're a coward. I am not.
So, give me the URL to your famous webpage.
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: IĆm obviously having a hard time letting this one goŕ
Mainly because I think youĆre full of shit. It cracks me up. When you start pushing people like you into a corner they always throw in your face the fact that just because you donĆt live in a yurt, eat nuts and berries and use a bicycle as their only mode of transportation, that somehow everything we do try is trite and meaningless.
WRONG.
And you don't think this is a "black" viewpoint? You see, you can have balance in life. You can talk about these things and try your hardest to constantly improve your impact on this planet, but still live your life in the 20th century. This is why I have a problem with the environaziĆs ű they too see this issue as being very black and white. The reality is the best thing in the world for the environment would be to stop populating the planet. As long as the population rate continues to increase the planet is in big trouble.
Absolutely I use too many resources. Absolutely IĆm trying to change. IĆm doing a pretty good job. Are you?
Pat
User: tbc | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: ding ding ding
ding ding ding
ding ding ding
ding
dum ding ding ding ding
A composer ??
:-) Dream on man
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: TBC - I don't know who you are, but I am a composer, not a musician, among other things. And you're just an anon who are to scared to show your music on this board.
Fuck off.
User: sh | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message:
db- yep, i have a problem with that too....tsk tsk
is right...but i think clas likes to be offensive just to stir things up (i hope
he doesn't really mean all those awful things he says) :-0
tones darling - let's drive west on sunset to the sea....
cyn - drinks? you can join us and we'll still tip ya!
angel - a cookie factory on fire in LA! probably smells yummy
now back to that &^%$#@! excel document i screwed up....
User: tbc | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Clas
I don't care how many times you re-release
"theme tune from hill St blues" on your web site you will never be a pro
musician - your attitude sucks too much.
If you really had a true love / understanding of music / musicians / all that goes along with that you would have at least had a look at my CV when I offered, it includes (the last time it was updated) over 700 projects including CDs, DVDs, surround sound mixes, multimedia presentations, world tours, films, TV, West End shows, theatre, operas, pantomimes (you could relate to them) etc etc etc.
I have made a professional living in the music industry for nearly 20 years and I won't ever rise to your bait - please leave me alone.
User: remember kids | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: don't feed the clas!!!!!
User: St Al- Global Human Being | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Saint Al,
The "American" stuff was not directed at you, it was directed at the Eurotrash. Sorry for not delineating it more clearly.
Now, my point is exactly that your points are worthless!
Your efforts are token and truly an insult to all of the other "global human beings" who are in real pain.
You need to get to work and make more sacrifices...you haven't addressed MY points seriously. You're still in Libdenial.
You need moooorre "guilt" and lessssssss denial. More action and less delusion (or deludin)
It's not black and white - it's this GB mentality that's black and white.
Now go back to listening to Donahue -hehehehehehe
And, yes, Rush is a bloated bonehead
Anyway, I'm just enjoying some flaming. This whole thread is a pile of
shit and not more than 2 people have given any thoughtful analysis.
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Bad Sneakers - my email is above.
You're saying you've done 700 productions, I've done 701.
698 of them sucks. What I mean it's not the body of the work that counts, it's the good ones that counts. Okay?
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Billy Boy - "We don't owe the world a thing. Not even
you. We're going to act in the best interest of civilization by taming all these
3rd world
lowlives who still think the year is 1000 B.C"
Do you seriously think that USA are an isolated Country? You are depending on the rest of the world. In Europe, folks are boycotting Coca Cola, Big Mac etc etc... where will you end up? It's all about the economics.
There's a Norwegian peace reseacher who's saying that the US empire will last 25 years from now. And he cut it down to 20 years if Bush will be president another period.
Good luck with the war, and don't forget to check out the Israelian Nuclear Weapons, while your at it.
Viva Arafat!
Viva Fidel!
Viva Vietnam!
User: db | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: anyone else apart from me have a problem with the N
word.
2.5yrs here and never seen it in print.
tsk tsk clas
User: bad sneeks | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Hey St Al - I like Rush !!!
and I have a confession to make :-(
Some of the nice people who work in my studio have been lurking - yes lurking in this GB and even posting some inflammatory stuff about the impending war which may be perceived by some as being from me (the bodacious cowboy)from the e-mail address (they did the same during the world cup and nearly caused a cross border incident with some of our English pals).
I would like to categorically state now that I love America - It is the only country that could possibly produce both Donald Fagen and "Bill" under the same sky.
Please don't kill the kids though. Talk is good.
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Altamira - it's the same over here, in Sweden, the rightwingers are talking about freedom, which means lower taxes for the rich.
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Beerberian--I scored as a left liberal, but near the Libertarian border. No surprise there!
Clas--One thing I've noticed is that the people in the United States who talk the most about the importance of freedom tend to be the ones who most want to limit the freedom of others.
User: sh | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message:
I usually don't make any political comments here,
but I think Sen. Joe Biden (Delaware) should be our next Pres (or at least Secty
of State).
The link above is a transcript of an interview with him from the other night by Chris Matthews at MSNBC. There are other speeches/interviews by him that are better, more in depth, this is just the most recent I've heard him speak.
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Global Asshole -- nice try. More of that same fuzzy right-rhetoric Bill likes to use when you're shown the err in your post. I made my points and you have nothing better to offer? You two are similar in many respects. It's all black and white with the both of you. If you're not with Georgie Boy, then you're anti-American. If you're not in support of Georgie Boy's desire to rid the world of Sadamm, then you're a terrorist. If you're not eating granola and sleeping in a Yurt, then you don't care for the environment.
Calling me anti-American is asinine. How long have you been around here? How many times have I jumped on Clas's shit because of some of the crap he says about the US?
Now, go back to listening to Rush. You're obviously in the wrong place.
StAl
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Bill -
Let us suppose that, yes, the United States of America is a great country.
Let's stretch this even more and make the assumption for the sake of this
argument that the USA is the greatest country in the history of the world.
Now please illuminate me, you fucking moron.
In which way were you a
participant in the creation of this great paradigm of social structure? What
have YOU done that would deserve a mention, eh?
Is it because... you are an
AMERICAN.
Got it!! I see! The fucker was born in the USA so naturally he get's the glory by inheritance. OK!!
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Clas,
You fail to realize something...
We don't owe the world a thing. Not even
you. We're going to act in
the best interest of civilization by taming all
these 3rd world
lowlives who still think the year is 1000 B.C.
You may
forward your apology and thanks to Secretary Rumsfeld.
Sweden has never had the chance to make a military mistake because
Sweden
has never had the balls to stand up for anything or anyone.
Where exactly is
your swastika tattoo my friend?
User: St Al - Global Human Being | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Wow, great stuff you're doing, but still a cop out.
You talk big but produce little meaningful action - why aren't you running a "Global Human Being Assistance and Education Guestbook" instead of a worthless banal self-agrandizing commercially based GB about someone elses work which fundamentally does little for "global human beings"?.
You are still using way more than your global "fair share" of carbons and other resources.
Your liberal Seattle smugness is even more poisoness than people who are honest that they are using more than their "fair share".
America sucks, that's why so many people want in...
Not Jingoism, just fighting the tide that wants to fault everything American - including Americans who are stupid to buy into it.
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Suedave/Molly - what I am trying to say is that freedom is an illusion.
And Molly dear, Sweden is a part of the Western Civilisation, and I don't know if our "freedom" (in the Western World) is better than the freedom in, let's say, Vietnam (and what was your dad doing there? Saving the world?)
I think one is able to be happy and free with a waterbuffalo and a field of rice.
I am speaking about the inner freedom.
But I don't expect you to understand that, stupid gringos. You're so brainwashed...
So, fuck off now.
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: no, bb, sorry, i meant this other one we did, god, at least a year ago - i came out as a quaker & alot of other stuff - aja and i had joked about it because we came out as the exact same thing - who knew?
User: BB | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: LP; http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html
User: suedave@w | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Clas I wasn't trying to define freedom, though I did hear this morning about a group trip to a Cancun nudist colony and as soon as the plane reached altitude, one was free to wear as little as they wanted. No hot drinks served though!
We have a lot of freedoms in the US, such as freedom of speech (though I feel more paranoid these days than before 9/11), freedom of religious choice (not freedom from being hassled),scantily clad Britney's (not freedom from being hassled), TV shows that constantly push limits (ditto), women who go to work and even drive there (ditto). Freedom to elect government officials who can help or hurt based on their priorities (and even have their brother fix the election...ditto). Some of these images are exported throughout the world. Some dictators don't like their people exposed to the ideas of what is possible in a society; they make new rules. Rules used to tell people how to think, what is good, and what is bad. Rules can squash freedoms, or rules can help large numbers of people live together better.
In a few weeks time - that is all we have to show our support to the advisory owls who understand the need to make sure we don't jump the gun in our efforts for a 'regime change' rather than having the weather dictate the timing for the war.
In a few weeks time it sure would be nice to have some news on the new one.
Susan
User: lp, respecting authority | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: holy shit aja - i came out:
Authoritarian
Authoritarians want government to advance society and
individuals through expert central planning. They often doubt whether
self-government is practical. Left-authoritarians are also called socialists,
while fascists are right-authoritarians.
where has my quaker philosophy gone? do you have that addy where that test was, btw?
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Clas, I admit we have many social problems that need to be addressed. Poverty being a big issue here in U.S.However, most countries can say that. As far as dressing a certain way or eating fast foods ect.. those are matters of personal choice. A parent should be the one who decides what their child wears, and what they are exposed to. I'm sure they have some bad parents in Sweeden. Are there no fast food resturants in Sweeden, no scantily clad women? Re: Viet Nam, the Khmer Rouge practically annihilated the Vietnamese. They destroyed many of their temples, art and eradicated much of their culture. Not much of a "win" IMO
User: Beerberian always willin' to learn | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: St Al; I pressed it, and guess what? ... It does exactly what it says - which in this day and age is quite refreshing, lol
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Left-liberal. Big surprise...
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Beer: We'll get there. This is more of a curiosity. I'm wondering if that list is too obvious or if there is some honest disagreement with the choices I made?
I really think I am going to create a page of top ten lists. I mean, besides reading this forum, what better way to waste time on the Internet?
Ok, so there are hundreds of better ways. But what the hell...
Like this place for instance:
http://www.pixelscapes.com/spatulacity/button.htm
Pat
User: Beerberian endin' a 9 - 5 | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: All; Just a thought ..... use the above link to answer the recurrent Q in here about Who's left of who ?
Me, I'm a Centrist Although I have a leaning to Libertarian, apparently Seems to fit with my Owl status too spookily
Centrists favour selective government intervention and emphasise practical solutions to current problems. They tend to keep an open mind on new issues. Many centrists feel that government serves as a check on excessive liberty.
St Al; Yeah I know about the quiz, BUT ya took all the obvious ones !!! Howabout Records that marked events in our lives ......
First Serious Fumble - Al Green "Still in Love with you"
Record played repeatedly after Teen break up Hall & Oates "She's Gone"
Record played most while Tarting Up on a Friday night ready to paint the town puke coloured - Commodores "Machine Gun"
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: anyone see frontline world last night - it was a "tour" of north korea - can you say paranoid? wow - i still think, now given their paranoia, that bush should not have, so out of the blue given the moment he said it, lumped them into the axis of evil - they are an area to keep an eye on, for sure, but now we are in deep because he elevated their paranoia level to the max - thanks a lot georgie, that's just great...***
good stuff- if you haven't seen it, it's a great perspective
angel: maine public television rocks - i think they are better than boston actually (will gbh strike me down now in the street?) - their local shows are well produced and fascinating to watch - who needs cable, i mean really...
so the question is: bands/musicians having the most influence on music - music in general? okay, i'll post later
menu in the northeast kingdom of vermont this weekend: fresh cream scones (not the biscuits you get at starbucks) for breakfast, homemade soups at lunchtime - and steak on saturday (they have an indoor grill, very convenient) and chicken paccatta (sp) on sunday - lots of sledding and snowshoe-ing, and reading in the tub - can't wait, i need to get a break from the island life and go inland to get a little stability...
User: C @ Work | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Molly dear - "the thing about freedom is that we have choices."
We have the freedom to chose between 569 different Shampoos. Or 324 TV-channels. And we can chose between Jennifer Lopez or Britney Spears. Young girls are dressed up like whores, because that's what Britney does.
We can chose to be fat on Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken or Mac Donalds.
Pepsi or Coca Cola.
But the kids I saw in the Mississippi Delta Documentary hadn't a decent school. Most of them were illiterates, even the grown ups. In fact, they have no choices. They aint having their future in their hands. Their government is turning their back on them. And now, the same government is bullshitting us with "we're going to set the people of Iraq free".
Just as they liberated Afgahnistan (by the way, where's that bin Laden? It's been quite about him for a long time).
In Vietnam you lost, that's a good thing. Speaking with people who's been there, it's a great society.
So responding to the question "What is freedom" with "We have choices", that's a shallow standard answer.
Mr Stewart - I am/was talking about the Western World in general (and if you didn't know, Sweden is so Americanized it can be), and you're welcome to our beaches anytime.
Summertime that is.
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Just to set the record straight I am not a dove. I am an owl. Let's just say that assuming UN support and a coalition of support from other nations, I'd be far less vocal in my dissatisfaction with Georgie Boy and the Hawks. No, then I'd turn to the other 50 reasons why George Bush sucks as a president. Here's just one...
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/articles/030116_war_women.html
Beer: I meant the bands you think are the most influential in popular music. Not the one that were most influential to you. That's for another poll.
Which is why Steely Dan was not in my list. Otherwise, if we're talking on a personal level, they'd be in the top 3.
Mr. Stewart: Thanks for the guffaw. Regarding the truck... Yeah, it's hard to tow a camper around on the back of a Passat (and a boat). I'm most certainly not a environazi. I don't recycle as well as I should. We do own the truck and I plan on buying a boat at the boat show next week. The difficulty is trying to strike a balance between living your life and how you tread on this planet. I could do so much more, no doubt. But I believe that every little bit helps. In fact, it's one of the reasons why I've decided on a new boat vs. one that's 10 years old. It'll cost more, but they've made such great strides in boat motor emissions (and fuel consumption) in the last 10 years that I think it's important this be considered. The fact is, if we always looked at everything we do with an eye to how this affects the planet as a whole we'll be much better off. Whenever we make a purchase, be it soap, toilet paper, food or major appliances, we always ask this question.
Oh, and I forgot to tell that jagoff who was telling me to put my money where my mouth was that we also purchased a Maytag Neptune washing machine a few years back for its low water consumption. That one cost us an easy extra $400 over a comparable top loader. I'll bet you feel really stupid right now, dont'cha? You really outta do your research before you open your trap.
StAl
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: No,no,no... you've got it all wrong,
Look, this ISN'T going to be a war.
Iraq isn't capable of giving us a war.
Psychotic despots like Saddam
Hussien have no business playing with nukes or
nerve gas or whatever else
he's playing with over there. The man is like a
child playing with a
loaded handgun ok? We're simply going to walk over,
grab him by the
scruff of his neck, give him a shake and a talking to, and
take the
freakin' handgun away.
Again, it isn't going to be a war. It's going to be more like us
stamping
them into a greasy spot in 5 minutes and we'll still be
home in time to have
a brewski and watch the superbowl.
(I'm thinking this could be Oakland's year by the way...)
Next stop North Korea... the misbehaving child of the orient.
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Hey everyone....
Fez, thanks for the heads up on Mu
and Conspiracy theroies...LMAO! I like our good Dr.Mu, we just have a difference
in our political views.
BB, excellent points Sugarman. Wonder if I'm a hawk
or a dove? hahahaha Guess it would depend on what I was fighting for...My Father
fought in Viet Nam. His younger brother also did a few tours there. My Dad came
back to his life. He never discussed what he did there. He didn't drink or
behave in any erratic manner like ones sees in movies concerning Viet Nam
Veterans. Still, I saw an occasional glimpse of the pain he carried from being
there. The most haunting image I have of my Dad is him crying at the Memorial in
Washington. My Father didn't weep when he buried his Mother..My Uncle wasn't as
strong as my Father. He had many problems. I hate to see that kind of personal
devastation occur again,especially for oil or Bush's hidden agenda. If it were
about "weapons of destruction" Why aren't they eager to mix it up with North
Korea?
Clas, don't feel bad Honey. At least you have a dick. The thing about
Freedom is you have choices. One may see a nearly naked person or a woman
strolling along covered from head to foot with only her eyes showing.
Still
thinking about my music list.
Peace M
User: Gina | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Dissing cushions, eh?
The BBC has an outstanding
documentary regarding the Milosovic regime and what's so good about is, is the
ones making decisions look back and really provide the audience with history in
a millenium-way of sharing information. Bill Clinton, Chirac, Jeltsin, the
Troika diplomacy and many others talk about the various steps taken and
situations occurring, NATO's actions, a "home" made video showing massacres and
all that. The documentary itself slowly takes you along the ride and how
power-politics-the whole thang IS. Really interesting to watch and think about
and understand! It's not finished yet, the documentary, i think sunday the next
chapter in eastern europe-global history will be on tv.
Especially given the current actions regarding Iraq ...
valuable lessons
in how the minds and forces operate and work ...
didn't scroll back all the way, so should anyone else has mentioned this, sorry! but it's really worth watching.
"there's always music in a banyan tree"
toodles, G.
User: Howard | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message:
In the interests of balance, a few SD thoughts
before some others on "that other thread".
The New One. When will it be here? I'm sticking to my guess of June, but would love to hear it sooner.
On the way there, I hope to enjoy a few goodies from sd.com - competitions, previews of tracks etc. Will it be a "guess the track titles" deal, or a "guess the cover art" thing...? Who knows, but I'm sure there will be a competition of some sort to help us pass the long weeks and months as we wait for IT. I'd love to hear some audio snippets before the release too, as we did for The Last One. That will be the first big moment. I still remember hearing the Negative Girl snippet for the first time, and loving it, then wondering why the melody and harmony "goes all Zappa" at the start of the verse just as the clip was fading. Looking forward to more moments like that.
OK, that other thread. Beerberian: I like what you wrote, put me down as an owl. As you wrote, the multilateral/UN approach is key - and the consequences if the US *doesn't* go this way could be serious.
There was a time not so long ago (before the first UN resolution) when Bush was talking very much in terms of "what the US will do" and not at all about "what the UN should do". I think the efforts of Blair and Colin Powell were crucial in bringing him round to the UN approach. I doubt that anyone will now be able to bring him round to the UN approach for a second resolution. It seems more likely that the US (and perhaps the UK) will go it alone, and I don't look forward to this. Much better to push the "owl" approach - be patient, let the inspectors have the time they need to do their job, and try and build support in the UN among as many countries as possible.
In a few weeks time, it will be clearer which of these two approaches is more likely.
One other thought: is it possible that we actually have quite specific information on what weapons saddam has and where they are (OK, not just because we sold them to him in the first place...!). I'm thinking of whether we have some very good intelligence on this, but we are unable to act on it and send the inspectors to a specific lab because that would make it obvious that we have an "insider", and Saddam would then be likely to kill any or all suspects, move the lab, and carry on. This is always the danger with good intelligence - you have to be careful how you use it, so that the other side does not immediately conclude that you have inside information. Just a possibility...
Howard
User: Mr. Stewart | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Anyone else ever check out Micheael Franti and
Spearhead? My neice ripped "Stay Human" for me and it is superb. I
immediately
ordered two copies, one for home and one for work, which is an
argument for the free ripping and sharing of music.
Stay Human. Check it out, Bill.
Clas- Good to see you are keeping up the good fight over there. Can I come see y'alls beaches some time?
StAl- Good God, man, don't sell the truck. It was definitely integral to the magic back in 1996 B.B. (before bush).
Mr. Stewart
"We know Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. We've got the
receipts!"
Mark Russell
User: Beerberian - aiming true | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Bill/StAl; Pick an animal .......I think below covers most viewpoints ... Personally I think the Hedwig approach is a fair one ??
The debate over whether the US should go to war with Iraq often appears
to be one of hawks pitted against doves. Hawks want to use force immediately -
doves never want to use force.
But here is a third position, one that is held by what I call the owls - and this makes more sense.
Owls are those who are willing to use force to prevent Saddam Hussein from developing nuclear weapons and to back up United Nations Security Council resolutions violated by the Iraqi leader.
But the important thing about the owls is that they are patient and multilateral - in the sense that rather than acting immediately, they take the time necessary to develop a broad, multilateral coalition.
A multilateral approach to Iraq I believe is in the country's best interests, and at this stage, I believe the owls are dominating.
Secretary of State Colin Powell is a good example of the owls' position -
Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is closer to what is being called the hawks'
position.
It is not a question of whether the US CAN succeed militarily. The US has "hard power", the military power, to prevail.
But the US should also be paying attention to what I call its "soft power" - the ability to get what you want by attracting and persuading others to adopt your goals.
Hard power is the ability to use the carrots and sticks of economic and military might to make others do what you want.
But soft power arises from different sources besides policies. It grows out of the attractiveness of a country's culture, its political values - whether it follows democracy and human rights - as well as its policies.
The US still has a good deal of soft power in many countries. I don't believe that American policies that have sometimes squandered that soft power have undercut the deeper sources of soft power.
The danger of moving alone without UN support is that you squander your soft power - you make yourself unattractive. In fact, you might become so unattractive that you give rise to a new generation of terrorists.
Joseph S Nye ....some harvard Johnny
and Top10 alternate Beers influences in no order
The Clash
The Jam
The Stranglers
James Taylor
Carole
King
Nirvana
Smokey Robinson
Judie Tzuke
Steely Dan
Mary Chapin
Carpenter
User: C @ Work | Month: 0 | Day: 17
Message: Suedave - "And it is also possible that our freedom alone is a 'threat' to some cultures."
Your freedom? Are you saying that you're free?
What exactly is freedom to you? Show your tits and ass on a public beach? Carry a gun? Watch Jerry Springer Show? Be manipulated by the media?
I am serious, what is freedom?
User: C @ Work | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: mr Stewart - THAT was funny.
Bill - at the time the New One is realeased you'll be in the desert, I mean, you are going to defend your country, right? Even if you have to defend it far away from Long Island?
Or are you going to do a Muhammad Ali?
User: suedave | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Pat - You are right on about the US having to understand that perhaps our actions are the cause of some of the reactions towards us.
And it is also possible that our freedom alone is a "threat" to some cultures.
We may not like how some governments run their countries, but our government does seem more interested in those that have oil. This isn't the American earth. We share it and its resources with other countries who may have their own opionions, which are ok to have. Even you Bill are entitled to yours, but you sound so.....angry. Even knocking Apple, an American company, where is your...nevermind. Check out the soothing sounds on http://www.justinmorell.com/audio.htm
Thanks for posting the Justin Morell url - listening to Babylon Sisters now, looking forward to the other two full??? clips....
Another thing one can do to walk lighter on the earth: http://www.sierraclub.org/bags/index.asp
Susan
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: I believe the joke goes,
"Three years ago, I reattached seven fingers to a penis and the penis
went
on to give a recital for the Queen of England."
No wait, that's not it...
User: Mr. Stewart | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Three Texas surgeons were arguing as to which had the
greatest
skill. The first began: "Three years ago, I reattached
seven
fingers on a pianist. He went on to give a recital for the Queen
of
England."
The second replied: "That's nothing. I attended a man in a car
accident.
All his arms and legs were severed from his body. Two
years after I
reattached them, he won three gold medals for field
events in the Olympics."
The third said: "A few years back, I attended to a cowboy. He was
high on
cocaine and alcohol when he rode his horse head-on into a
Santa Fe freight
train traveling at 100 miles per hour. All I had
to work with was the horse's
ass and a ten gallon hat. Two years ago
he became president of the United
States."
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Yo Mr.Dictionary,
This country will be alot better off when people like YOU decide
whether
they want to be in it or not. Maybe another major terrorist
attack will
straighten you out on the subject? Probably not... I mean
you are using an
Apple computer after all. How smart can you be?
Pat,
What the heck is a free-range chicken? A chicken who's fought
for
it's independence no doubt.
I can't wait until Steely Dan releases the next CD so we can have
some
REALLY HEATED DISCUSSIONS on this board. Man we'll be going
at it then huh?
I have an idea of what to expect and it aint gonna
be pretty my friends.
:)
User: Johnee Jingo | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: He was just fifteen, he was a new trainee
He lied
about it for the opportunity
To defend the border his life was
sworn
Though not a generation was native born
Johnee Jingo
Johnee Jingo
He had lost the battle but won the war
When the generals said he couldn't
fight no more
He was proud and bitter at what he'd done
So he passed it
off to his favorite son
Johnee Jingo
Johnee Jingo
Jingo don't you fight for me
Jingo don't
you speak for me
To the man who owns the land
We're all the same
But when his grip
begins to slip
Then he'll be calling out your name
Johnee Jingo
And the throne, the pulpit, and the politician
Create a thirst for power
in the common man
It's a taste for blood passed off as bravery
Or just
patriotism hiding bigotry
Todd Rundgren 1984
User: New One | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Some information on the new one:
Elliot Scheiner in the recent MIX magazine mentioned that all basic tracks for the new one were recorded to analog tape, with overdubs going to digital workstations. Tracks were recorded at Sear Sound.
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: NORAH JONES HAS THE NUMBER 1 CD IN AMERICA, KNOCKING OFF OUR ENEMY ENEMA, I MEAN EMINEM. IT TOOK A YEAR, BUT THE WAIT WAS WORTH IT.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
NOW IF SHE AND BRUCE CAN KICK HIS ASS AT THE GRAMMYS....
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Al Cmon: Sure wiseass. No problem. Here's what our family has done up to this point. It isn't perfect, no doubt -- mainly because of the gas hog truck we posses, but we're doing more than YOU I'm sure...
Traded in my VW Eurovan for a Passat. Since the Eurovan was less than 2 years old, I took a bath in the depreciation end. BUT, wiseass, the Passat gets 10 miles to the gallon more than the Eurovan. That one cost a couple grand.
We subscribe to this service for most of our vegetables:
http://www.pioneerorganics.com/
We eat only free-range chicken, drink only organic milk, avoid anything with hormones, etc...
We use products from this store whenever we possibly can:
http://www.environmentalhomecenter.com/
We buy only trash bags made of recycled plastics. They suck, but it's the point.
We recycle everything we possibly can.
The truck will get parked as soon as we can cobble together enough money to purchase a commuter. However, the truck gets used very little. It is 4 years old and has less than 25,000 miles. This is because we ARE concerned about it's fuel consumption. We take my car whenever possible.
I live in Seattle. The rest of the country follows our lead on this shit. Get in line.
StAl
User: Shaun | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Aja- SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!!
User: Aja.................catching up on my lurking | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: The best part about this board is that we DON'T talk about Steely Dan all the time!
Aja
User: this one's for Bill... | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: patriotism.
Main Entry:
pa+tri+ot+ism
Pronunciation: 'pA-trE-&-"ti-z&m, chiefly British
'pa-
Function: noun
Date: circa 1726
: love for or devotion to one's
country
jingoism.
Main Entry: jin+go+ism
Pronunciation:
'ji[ng]-(")gO-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Date: 1878
: extreme chauvinism
or nationalism marked especially by a belligerent foreign policy
Bill, one of these is good, the other isn't. When more people like you
learn the difference, then this country will be a *lot* better off.
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: "and then there's "ethnic cleansing" which was invented by the arrogant Euros!"
"ethnic cleansing" is a media catch phrase invented in the 90's. The United States has been practising it way longer than that.
Ask the Native Americans.
User: ahem | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: St Al lives in Seattle
User: Al, cmon! | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Pat, come on "start thinking like a global human being"??????
Then YOU better get ready to vacate your beautiful California digs, give up your website, and Steely Dan and all of your other groovy bands cease gigging.
That's because as a global human being you've got a lot of problems and responsibilities and you don't have time for all the bullshit you spend so much time pursuing. There is no time or oil for Steely Dan and the other bands to keep making Cd's and promo stuff and tours with big buses and airplanes.
"OIL" - yeah, oil!
Everyone is using up resources including you and Ariana Huffington. Are YOU, pat, making sure that you and your family are not using more than your "fair share of carbons" as a global human being?
Where does it stop Al?
How much are you REALLY willing to give up? Lot of talk, how much commitment and action. Money where your mouth is...
Then there's The Brits and The Clas' who like to use derogatory racial slurs to mock Americans. The funny thing is that Europeans and Brits have abused more races and religions than anyone on this side of the pond, and then there's "ethnic cleansing" which was invented by the arrogant Euros!
Abba
Partridge Family
Monkeys
Josie and the Pussycats
Steely
Dan
Ultimate Spinach
Michael McDonald
Jackson Brown
James
Brown
Savoy Brown
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Pat = Sheep
You have consistently missed my point, instead attacking me with
leftist
bullshit. Since when is patriotism bullshit? Ask yourself
this question
Pat... Why is is wrong to like America?
I like it just fine myself... Now how about another question?
Why do you
always use this board as a soapbox for your radical
political ideologies and
expect everyone to go along with them?
Enough politics already...
User: Not The very cool Malcom | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Clas, I believe you nor anyone else has touched your dick since 1972!!!!!!!!!!!
Now we get it.
Now the pathos is real.
Hey, Malcom - you da man!
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Bill = Sheep
I never said it was all our fault.
Bill, that little town you live in in Long Island is a speck on the ass of this planet. Starting thinking like a global human instead of an American with a big gun. You have consistently missed my point, instead, attacking me with patriotic bullshit rhetoric. We both want the same thing. However, in my opinion, the method you support will only exacerbate the problem. Funny thing is it doesn't take a genius to figure this out, which must mean all the politicians supporting this action are either whores, idiots, or conniving individuals who aren't telling us the real reason...
OIL.
In an effort to get off this subject I'm thinking a top ten list might be in order. Yes, I realize I'm to blame for this latest war thread...
So, anyone game? I'm thinking it might be interesting for people to list the top ten most influential bands ever. And I'm not talking about your personal favorites either. I mean, SPIN magazine does it. So does Rolling Stone. Why not a Guestbook list? So here's mine. If people show interest I may create a specific webpage.
Most Influential in StAl's opinion:
1. The Beatles
2. Bob Dylan
3.
Jimi Hendrix
4. Elvis
5. James Brown
6. Frank Zappa
7. Led
Zeppelin
8. The Ramones
9. The Grateful Dead
10. Parliment/Funkadelic
Most of these need no explanation. I know some would disagree with my choice of The Dead over a David Bowie, Aretha or Elton. However, The Dead had a direct major influence on literally 100's of bands throughout the 80's and 90's and currently. Basically they spawned a niche-genre of music called "Jamband." Artists like Phish, Dave Matthews, String Cheese, Medeski Martin Wood, etc, etc wouldn't exists in their current form without this influence. See this website: http://www.jambands.com to see just how extensive this movement is...
Ok, who did I miss? Opinions?
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Bill is a four-letter word? But it's actually William, isn't it?
Private William.
User: Oh well... | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: ...maybe it was your "co-worker" again?
---
I've been wondering, listen, Here At The Western World:
"...feels nice, you're out of the rain..."
OUT of the rain? You're OUT of the rain? Is it raining indoors over there, or is it the sprinkler-system?
C
User: YGK | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Hey, you Swedish Sweetheart - I haven't posted in a
while.........at least anything of import.......and it's not even my
tag.........
but at usual, you give way too much personal information.
ygk
User: Bite me Swede | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Bill is a four-letter word.
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: "thier"?
It's "their", pinhead.
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Pat,
I see it all now Pat. It's all our fault. Everything is our fault.
NOTHING
is thier fault. To say that it might be thier fault is to be
"stupid". But to
say that it's our fault is to be enlightened.
The 60's is over Pat. LBJ and Nixon are long since dead.
Your cerimonial
anti-establishment stance is a thing of the past.
The government, while
occasionally wrong, is not always that way.
My advice is pack up your wife and kid along with all
your
march-on-washington relics of the past and get the fuck out.
Love,
Billy
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Bill - "we" said the fly in the Lions ass.
Altamira - oh, Pompe is a grey-haired gentleman, on his 8th year. A little tired, but still King of the Junction. Good to see you around, I hope things are fine with you.
StAl - yeah, and Rwanda. There's no oil in Rwanda, and there were just niggers killing each other anyway.
---
I can see that Malcolm Hunter is posting as an Anon again.
For your information Malc, I haven't touch my dick since 1972.
User: The anthrax mailer | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Hey you guys - Did you forget about me ???
The enemy within ???
Or was I just a stool pigeon for the real terrorists in this sorry affair
-
The CIA
Ask Osama he knows them well enough, so does Sadaam and the crooks who run Saudi Arabia, Israel and Kuwait under US "guidance".
Comparing the Balkans to Iraq is like comparing Steely Dan to the Dave Matthews band - that was a serious "conflict".
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Clas--Thank you for the offer of the cat. But I don't think my dominant females would like her, and they're pretty fierce! My foster cat, Isis, was living in my library (which doubles as my foster room). How's Pompe?
Duncan--Stepping on a Lego while barefoot would certainly be painful, but at least it's not as icky as stepping in cat puke.
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Hey 48: Justin Morell's CD is definitely worth possesing. More details can be found at his website:
http://www.justinmorell.com/
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Sal: You're welcome. However, don't forget the netiquette rule over there either...
Bill: It's amazing how stupidly narrow your view of the world is. But it's typical of too many Americans and it's EXACTLY why 9/11 happened. Simple minds drawn simple conclusions. We've had this conversation before. The USA must accept some blame for what happened on 9/11, otherwise we'll never really be able to fix the problems. This blame I point squarely at my government (and ultimately myself). Stupid politicians with stupid views (like you) making stupid decisions and Georgie Boy, if not stopped, is about to make the mother of all stupid decisions.
Jimbo: The war discussion has been pretty silent for a while now. Only yesterday did it really flare up again. You know as well as I that there is plenty of music discussion on this board.
Admit it man, it's like watching a train wreck and you LOVE it...:)
Mu: You forgot one thing in your list. Many of the people Milosevic's regime victimized were WHITE. Oh my god! SEND IN THE CAVALRY!
What about Pol Pot(sp?), Idi Amin(sp?)? Why didn't we threaten "regime change" with them?
Maybe because they didn't have anything we want.
Sue, Mr Stewart -- good to see you.
User: Sal | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: St Al- Thanks for the Dandom link. You were right! Much better.
Thanks,
Sal
User: Clas is masturbating again | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: C @ work
User: Grassy knoll | Month: 0 | Day: 16
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You believe that - Don't you Dr ???
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/01/16/wirq116.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/01/16/ixnewstop.html
Dan-friendly version:
"Webdrone officials have reassured fans by signalling that Fagen and Becker are prepared to release powerful intelligence evidence to cement the case for a spring release and fall dates.
Elliot Scheiner, the in-house chief of staff engineer, and Webdrone, President Steely Dan's chief political strategist, have each indicated publicly that the administration has proof that something has been completed.
Mr Steely Dan received blunt warnings from disgruntled Bill-like creatures last week that Mr Steely Dan had to produce a much more concrete case for the fuzz box, if he hoped to keep public support.
Senor Kunt from Bumfuck, Nevada said more information should be released and asked: "What is the difference between analog and digital?" According to sources at the private meeting, Mr Steely Dan is understood to have urged him: "Don't worry."
Mr Steely Dan is believed to have used similar language during private briefings to hangers-on in the past.
He strongly suggested that the Webdrone already possesses a piece of intelligence from the MTV or VH1 that would amount to the "smoking gun" internet low-lifes are calling for."
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User: Hey 48 | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Has anybody out there herd much of Justin Morell? There is not much info on him here in Down Under land. Is The Music Of Steely! Dan worth chasing up??...catch ya!
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Pat,
So now 9/11/01 was our fault?
Are you that deluded or just using deludin
again?
3000 New Yorkers are no longer with us because a couple of
religious
fuck-ups with box cutters were permitted to board an
aircraft.
End of story...
So in that regard we are responsible. We're responsible for the
lax
security and abysmal failure of the Immigration and
Naturalization
Service to do it's job.
But hey I'm with you on this one. The United States should close
it's
borders and put an immediate halt to any further immigration.
We
should be more like France and just forget about the rest of the
world. We
don't need them, they need us.
But even if we did this, do you really think that the Islamic
fundamentalist assholes would just give up and decide to leave us alone?
See Isreal my friend...
So Fez, when is Australia going to get off it's ass and fix a few
things
around here?
User: Beerberian | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Uncle Sam; ...and back to the music
For Sale
2 tickets to the Bee Gees "Staying Alive" tour 2003.
One third off.
They will be performing " How Deep is Your Bruv " ?
Dunc; That Eagle looked a little scrawny mate ..... (and ......)
User: suedave | Month: 0 | Day: 16
Message: Sure there are good things the US does, we are capable of so much more.
I think this discussion should be happening all across the US, including Florida and Texas! I've never seen the numbers on support of the war, I just read in the media that most Americans do support it. 9 out of 10 people I know do *not*. Our local newspaper reported that the people who support the war don't come from where I live, not in droves like they must elsewhere in the US if what the media reports is true.
Now is the time to speak up, after we go to war it'll be too late, and what does 'winning' the war mean anyways? That we get our own supply of cheap oil? Perhaps that is the new religion, the source of many other battles.
There are several peace marches in town, I'll join one this weekend, and a different one next. Pearl Jam added a line to their song "Wishlist" - ...negotiate, communicate, isn't that what a President's supposed to do? Instead we have Dubya, the bully. I don't believe he has thought the whole thing through.
Guess this didn't have any SD content, oops!
User: C @ W | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: "How Bush and his junta succeeded in deflecting AmericaĆs anger from bin Laden to Saddam Hussein is one of the great public relations conjuring tricks of history."
User: ¦ - political relativism | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: fezo: Nah, I'm a centrist - the majority of this group is so way left, that I only APPEAR to be right..well, I am right, as in right on... but it's a political Doppler effect - you guys are rationalizing so fast that your political speed left and mass are approaching infinity, while I'm just a red shift on your event horizon...
fezo, here's the ticker: "DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA (TICKER) -- Freshman J.J. Redick may be the best pure shooter in college basketball and his latest performance provided plenty of evidence.
Redick drained all 11 free throws for a season-high 34 points as top-ranked Duke remained the nation's lone unbeaten team with a 104-93 victory over Virginia in Atlantic Coast Conference action.
Duke (12-0, 3-0 ACC) notched its 20th straight home victory and defeated Virginia for the 13th time in 14 meetings. The Blue Devils, who are 9-0 at home, visit defending national champion Maryland on Saturday.
It is the Blue Devils' sixth 12-0 start under coach Mike Krzyzewski.
The game was more of a free-throw shooting contest as the teams combined for 78 attempts. Duke shot 92.5 percent (37-of-40) and the Cavaliers clicked at 71 percent (27-of-38).
Virginia (10-4, 1-2) was within 90-87 after a pair of foul shots by Devin Smith with 4:44 remaining. Redick completed a three-point play 12 seconds later and added two free throws for an eight-point cushion with just under four minutes to go.
The Cavaliers got within 95-89 on a basket by Smith, but Travis Watson missed a pair of foul shots that would have cut the deficit to four with under three minutes to play."
I missed the game to take the kids out to a local basketball affair - it wasn't pretty...oin Texas they look like a football team playing basketball...and that's the women!!!
StAl: You are correct. There is more than just being a tin-pan dictator:
Saddam funds terrorists networks including Hamas and Al Qaeda...................Milosovich did not
Saddam has killed 1.5 million..............Milosovich a 100 times less
Saddam has used and will continue to use chemical and bio weapons.......Milosovich did not.....
There is a move now among the Arab neighbors to put real pressure on Iraq. That came after a show of strength, not appeasement...
Here's THE irony - I bet I'm the only one here who has immediate family that might be involved in some aspect militariily in the War on Terrorism...including Iraq...one is becoming an expert in Infectious Disease - the implications are obvious...our family hopes and prays it does not come to that. Let's see hands of others?????? ............. I thought not...well, it's been entertaining...
Warning: Dan content to follow! The Scheiner stuff on analog is
interesting - I think those who I buy the CD version will be happy with "wetter"
sounding drums...those who buy the DVD-A simul-release (whenever that may be) as
I will should be very pleased as well - I bet the instrument separation will be
like Carnegie Hall in the second row...
User: Mr. Stewart | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Steely Dan is great. I like him a lot. He is so cool.
Right.
Now remember who thinks timelines are B.S.: George Dubya Bush. Our own little monkey boy, George Dubya Bush!
User: Q | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Interesting Pete Townsend piece on smokinggun.com
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Did you ever get the feeling that all the GB talks about is War and not about Steely Dan or anything involving music?
If the feeling disappears, let me know. I'll be back tommorrow.
User: duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: USA-England
http://www.fishbone.gr.jp/~kanko/umineko/k3387.jpg
User: Jennifer | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: I think that Dubya should have to send one of the twins off to war. I think it would give him a whole new perspective.
User: Duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Just back from flicks...two towers
who would have
thought it the battle for middle earth has already started right here.
I remember a story about a football manager talking to a very young striker who got nervous every time he went into the oppositions penalty box.
''but exectly should i do with the ball''
''Listen sonny your not paid to fucking think, just put the bloody ball in the back of the net, then we can discuss you options''
It's time for action.
User: fezo | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Bill: Might I suggest a trip down to Chile where you can entertain the survivors of the Pinochet regime with tales of how America has tried to do good in the world.
Molly: One of the first rules of the Guestbook: Mu has a trademark on all conspiracy theories. Other can proffer them only at their own peril.
and speaking of . . .
Mu: No thanks on the 'Hoos bet. I learned last year the perils of betting on away games.
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Perhaps all of you Armchair Warriors that have such a keen desire to help President Bush and his Oil Buddies get richer by going to war with Iraq should enlist. I'm sure your families will understand when you come back to them in a bodybag. You'll make your Country and Chevron proud.
User: Redneck | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: OH - Please - bill
SPARE US
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Bill--Some of the others you mentioned who have been in power also tried to help other countries and did accomplish some good things.
User: StAL | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: W1P: My guess is the same reason they didn't include those songs on the Citizen box set still hold true. I wouldn't count on it.
33: This country's children have been stepping in messes since the Korean War. It's a big bad world out there and we ain't the police. In fact, it's your attitude that got us into some of these very problems in the first place. The big stick mentality is EXACTLY why the rest of the world often turns against us and why 9/11 happened.
It is up to the Iraqi people to rid themselves of Sadamm.
StAl
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Pat,
The world doesn't like us.
The world doesn't like whoever happens to be
leading at that particular
time in history. The world didn't like Julius
Ceasar, It didn't like
the pharoahs of Egypt, It didn't like Great Britain in
the 1700's,
It didn't like Napoleon, and today they don't like us. The
main
difference is that unlike all the aforementioned countries and
empires,
America has actually tried to do some good in the world and hasn't
simply moved in and taken over the countries that they didn't like.
The
fact is, the world is a much better place because of us and
a much better
place because of the constitution we live under.
One thing's for sure, whoever is in charge after us won't be liked
either.
That would probably be the Chinese from what I can see...
Won't that be fun?
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: So maybe the release of the new Steely Dan LP will be a
marketing opportunity to release a new box set that has some rairites, outtakes,
live tracks, and the Becker/Fagen solo output? Dallas, All To Mobile Home,
Second Arrangement, etc. Thoughts?
User: 33 | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Sure, 33 state elections people (Republicans by
inference) conspired to rig elections...
keep smokin the conspiracy pipe,
dude
St. Al, Sheep?
"I'm against war", but have no solutions...baaahhbaaa to you, man
We'll
let your kids clean up the messes that you don't have the foresight to
resolve.
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Sal: Oh, and I forgot. If your desire is solely Steely Dan/music discussion, try Hoops' "Bluebook"
http://www.dandom.com/guestbook
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: "Hey..." - 33 states doesn't sound like a conspiracy to you?
dweeb...
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: StAl - good boy, three dots... I am proud of you! Come on over here you little hum hum hum, he he...
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Sal: Point taken. However, we've been discussing Steely Dan for almost 8 years now so the conversation has a tendency to stray at times. Go back a few weeks ago and you'll see conversation about the latest news. Or, try the this sites home page (link in the header graphic). There you'll see as much info as any of us know regarding the new one.
Allow me to make a point though. Usually it's good netiquette to read a forum for a period of time before posting. This allows the you to get a groove for the flow and allows you to find the conversation(s). Otherwise assholes like me jump to conclusions...
And to the last person who posted as "Sad Brits." You misunderstand. I was posting in response to someone who posted before me who called themselves "Sad Brits who forget their own history." Read their post and you'll understand mine.
StAl
User: C @ Work | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Sal - 3 dots, not 5 or 2 or 7, just 3... see?
User: Clas @ work | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Thanks Blaisie for that John Le Carre-article, excellent stuff. And I have been wondering about this too:
"How Bush and his junta succeeded in deflecting AmericaĆs anger from bin Laden to Saddam Hussein is one of the great public relations conjuring tricks of history."
StAl - right on the money. Only a fool would say that. And that Sheep is to be found on the URL above.
---
LP - Chicago, as in its Architecture? I just love to watch pics from the Chicago streets, isn't that special Architecture called something?
User: Sal | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: St. Al? I take it you run this place? If so, why do you say I'm bitching? I'm just making an observation. I went to Steelydan.com to see if their were any discussion groups on the band. I came here from a link posted on the official site. I read the first ten- fifteen entries on this guestbook and the discussion was about the conflict in the middle east. I saw a picture of the band on the page which just confused me, that's all. I just wanted to find out if there was a new record coming out. The next I want info on Bin Laden I'll come here. Sounds like you're being a tad defensive St. Al. No big deal. I'll try a different link next time.
Sal
User: sad Brits | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Et tu St Al ??? Unusual
we ARE sad here in Britain - but only due to the rainy weather
As far as your inference that we have a collective desire to "bend over" I suggest you seek immediate psychiatric help - you may have an anal fixation - You may even be GAY and not even know it !!!
Get em' up against the wall eh said old Roger
Sorry man, have to go now to my KKK meeting with some of the critters from this here guest book - gonna' whup a few arabs, spicks, coons, niggas, hell maybe some Brits tonight (cue Beverly hillbillies music)
Ha Ha Ha - You lot crease me up - listen to yourselves then go read a couple of history books - Can you spell messopot, missa, musspotaynyi ? OW SHUCKS - IRAQ then
User: Hey, Moll! | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Do you read the news?
33 states reported "material" problems in the last election cycle.
Wake up!
Put away your conspiracy pipe.
User: Uncle Sam, Sir to you | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Let's see,
WWII, who "won" that one - ask any surviving Eurovet, they'll say "thank God for the Red White & Blue"
So the U.S. makes mistakes, who doesn't. Responsibility is a difficult thing - not because of the primary burden(s), but because of the whining crap you have to take along the way no matter what you do!
Carping about the U.S. is simply a cottage industry.
America is ALL bad, EurAsianChinoSlovLatino, etc. is ALL good.
Whew, now your happy.
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Mu, darlin I think the world of you, but I too lived in
Florida. I'm very much aware of how much corruption and "doing favors" occurs in
Florida (as well as many other States) I worked for the State of Florida, and
got a personal glimpse into it's political system. It just seems to me to be one
hell of a coincidence that his brother happened to be Govenor in a State that
had so many difficulties with their voting process.
Nor does it change that
Bush is trying to get something started in Iraq to divert the fact that he's an
ineffectual President.
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: I love it when people (newbies) come on this board and bitch about the content.
Makes my day.
MU: I meant if the US takes further action without UN approval. If the UN approves of the action, and we're able to build a semi-coalition, then I'll my only protest would be that war, in general, is bad.
Serbia was different. Period. Serbia wasn't about oil. Period. And we had a coalition -- mainly NATO, plus quite a few other countries. I somehow doubt you're that much of an idealist to think that Sadam is a target simply because he's a tyrannt like Milosevic was. You're WAY too smart for that.
Point is the US will become even more hated, thus opening ourselves up to more 9/11's in the future. I can't believe our leadership doesn't see this. I live in a big city. I work next to big, tall buildings. I worry about these things. Do you? I know you worry about them happening to others, but do you worry about it happening to YOU? Think about that...
Sad Brits: I'm an American and you are one of the sheep. Bend over buddy cuz Washington has a surprise for you...
StAl
User: Uncle Sam | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Everybody hates us - And we are all so nice too !!!
Boooo Hoooo Hoooooo
You right wing scum should be the first conscripts sent into Baghdad so you can smell the fuel air bombs your human rights disaster of an empirist country drops on innocent children. Geneva convention ?? Not us boys.
Then you should be forced to work with the generation of children left with cancers and lukiemia from the depleted uranium, napalm or other horrendous mass human experiments gone wrong you dropped in the name of jobs for middle America and profit profit profit for your corporations.
Its easy sitting over there in your cosy middle class subdivisions with your AK47 to shoot the niggers and your KKK hoods. History ?? - You don't have any history.
And War ??? You don't know what winning one is, sorry.
User: angel | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: LP: My hubby, the Chicago native and the one who took planning in college, has been raving over the years about the Chicago School of Architecture and the planning ideas that came from Chicago. I guess he was right.
Regarding American's wanting war. I walk through a demonstration every Friday evening in LA. I don't do it by choice, but I do it anyway. The Demonstrators have been there since September, so I give them points for perseverance. In spite of the fact that I hate them for making a mess of a dangerous intersection, they do show that there is a no mandate from the American people at all. George W. has not made his case here with the people.
On a music related subject :-)
For the Michael McDonald fans, there will
be a tribute concert airing sometime in March. Keep an eye out for it, if you
are so inclined. Talent involved, include Steve Gadd, Steve Porcaro and The
Doobie Brothers.
I could continue, but it's a long list of names, so I just
mentioned some Steely connections. (I know Steve is only Jeff's brother, but
what the heck). :-)
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Sal Lagone--Steely Dan is mentioned in several messages that were posted since last night. We just go a little off topic sometimes. I'm sorry about that.
User: Sal Lagone | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Hi...I came here because this site was linked from steelydan.com. I guess it was linked by mistake. I see no mention of Steely Dan. I do see a picture of Becker & Fagen on the top of this page. Very strange.
User: Sad Brits who forget their own history | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: I'm sick of these weak belly Brits.
"Give Peace a chance"?
How long have we all given peace a chance in the
Middle East?
Institutionalized religion is the poison there(and everywhere ala Catholic Church).
Leave the Mid East and North Korea to their own devices and see what you Brits get in a few years. Your children will be mopping up the mess(or OUR U.S. children, that is)
Everyone hates the U.S. when the tough actions have to be taken, but they love us when we save their/your butts.
Le Carre is a crackpot and as so many ala Sheryl Crowe offer no material alternatives or solutions, especially not long term solutions. And he talks of Sophists? Whew!
Then you have Clas and his Nether ilk masturbating in the corner babbling about the bad U.S. while he and his Country(s) contribute nothing to anything or anyone regarding the Global condition. (oh, excuse me, they do/did give Nazis shelter from time to time).
The U.S. isn't "everything", but it does get tiring listening to carping from across the pond all the time like a one way highway.
It really is too bad that Osama didn't hit London or Paris first in the same
magnitude.
I would LOVE to see the reactions in that case. Tell us, please
What a waste of time this is.
The post @ Eminence Front=GB should mean "Great Britain" as much as SDGB
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: You guys are SO predictable...LOL!!!!! Note that I identified the weaknesses of both sides Repubs and Dems...
StAl: The UN Security Council Vote re: Iraq was 13-0...that was only a couple
of months ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kosovo was NATO only - no UN
The Serbs ended up killing more Muslims because of the war
Milosovich had no WMD
Do we want Iraq to join North Korea in political blackmail histrionics?
Look, I'm hoping for Saddam to go for exile - and there is always the possibility that he'll back down...though I'm skeptical...
But because Clinton bluffed in 1998 (do a Nixis search), he's got to know we are serious. That's why our every move is telegraphed...
Disarming North Korea, Iraq, and Iran is an absolute must to keep the US and the world safer, especially with their close ties to major terrorist organizations...Saddam's killed 1000 times more children than milosovich in a number of countries and ON PURPOSE...we hope it can be done peacefully, but if it is not, the world with NOT be peaceful...
...and do we want to go back to a world where leaders of over 75 years of age across the glober carry the Nuclear Briefcase with them everywhere (I'm not kidding now)?????...I know I don't!!! We owe it to our kids and grandkids not to have to live like that...and if something is not done, that's where we'll be...
Nobody here wants a war, but then we did our best in 1939, 1940, and 1941...
Moll: Voting precincts are run LOCALLY. Dade, Broward, and W. Palm Beach
Cos. were all run by the local Democratic organizations. The Governor is NOT
ALLOWED to run those (I used to live in Flrida, so I know). Note that even when
the State of Florida bought new voting machines for this elections and the local
yokels still could not figure out how to plug in the machines!!!..and many of
the seniors there can not figure out a computer...unless of course it has a slot
machine handle of the right side! The people running the polls have since been
fired by the state DNC...
fezo: Always good to see you... Wager on the Duke-Virginia game tonight?
User: John Le Carre | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: America has entered one of its periods of historical madness, but this is the worst I can remember: worse than McCarthyism, worse than the Bay of Pigs and in the long term potentially more disastrous than the Vietnam War.
The reaction to 9/11 is beyond anything Osama bin Laden could have hoped for in his nastiest dreams. As in McCarthy times, the freedoms that have made America the envy of the world are being systematically eroded. The combination of compliant US media and vested corporate interests is once more ensuring that a debate that should be ringing out in every town square is confined to the loftier columns of the East Coast press.
The imminent war was planned years before bin Laden struck, but it was he who made it possible. Without bin Laden, the Bush junta would still be trying to explain such tricky matters as how it came to be elected in the first place; Enron; its shameless favouring of the already-too-rich; its reckless disregard for the worldĆs poor, the ecology and a raft of unilaterally abrogated international treaties. They might also have to be telling us why they support Israel in its continuing disregard for UN resolutions.
But bin Laden conveniently swept all that under the carpet. The Bushies are riding high. Now 88 per cent of Americans want the war, we are told. The US defence budget has been raised by another $60 billion to around $360 billion. A splendid new generation of nuclear weapons is in the pipeline, so we can all breathe easy. Quite what war 88 per cent of Americans think they are supporting is a lot less clear. A war for how long, please? At what cost in American lives? At what cost to the American taxpayerĆs pocket? At what cost ů because most of those 88 per cent are thoroughly decent and humane people ů in Iraqi lives?
How Bush and his junta succeeded in deflecting AmericaĆs anger from bin Laden to Saddam Hussein is one of the great public relations conjuring tricks of history. But they swung it. A recent poll tells us that one in two Americans now believe Saddam was responsible for the attack on the World Trade Centre. But the American public is not merely being misled. It is being browbeaten and kept in a state of ignorance and fear. The carefully orchestrated neurosis should carry Bush and his fellow conspirators nicely into the next election.
Those who are not with Mr Bush are against him. Worse, they are with the enemy. Which is odd, because IĆm dead against Bush, but I would love to see SaddamĆs downfall ů just not on BushĆs terms and not by his methods. And not under the banner of such outrageous hypocrisy.
The religious cant that will send American troops into battle is perhaps the most sickening aspect of this surreal war-to-be. Bush has an arm-lock on God. And God has very particular political opinions. God appointed America to save the world in any way that suits America. God appointed Israel to be the nexus of AmericaĆs Middle Eastern policy, and anyone who wants to mess with that idea is a) anti-Semitic, b) anti-American, c) with the enemy, and d) a terrorist.
God also has pretty scary connections. In America, where all men are equal in His sight, if not in one anotherĆs, the Bush family numbers one President, one ex-President, one ex-head of the CIA, the Governor of Florida and the ex-Governor of Texas.
Care for a few pointers? George W. Bush, 1978-84: senior executive, Arbusto Energy/Bush Exploration, an oil company; 1986-90: senior executive of the Harken oil company. Dick Cheney, 1995-2000: chief executive of the Halliburton oil company. Condoleezza Rice, 1991-2000: senior executive with the Chevron oil company, which named an oil tanker after her. And so on. But none of these trifling associations affects the integrity of GodĆs work.
In 1993, while ex-President George Bush was visiting the ever-democratic Kingdom of Kuwait to receive thanks for liberating them, somebody tried to kill him. The CIA believes that ôsomebodyö was Saddam. Hence Bush JrĆs cry: ôThat man tried to kill my Daddy.ö But itĆs still not personal, this war. ItĆs still necessary. ItĆs still GodĆs work. ItĆs still about bringing freedom and democracy to oppressed Iraqi people.
To be a member of the team you must also believe in Absolute Good and Absolute Evil, and Bush, with a lot of help from his friends, family and God, is there to tell us which is which. What Bush wonĆt tell us is the truth about why weĆre going to war. What is at stake is not an Axis of Evil ů but oil, money and peopleĆs lives. SaddamĆs misfortune is to sit on the second biggest oilfield in the world. Bush wants it, and who helps him get it will receive a piece of the cake. And who doesnĆt, wonĆt.
If Saddam didnĆt have the oil, he could torture his citizens to his heartĆs content. Other leaders do it every day ů think Saudi Arabia, think Pakistan, think Turkey, think Syria, think Egypt.
Baghdad represents no clear and present danger to its neighbours, and none to the US or Britain. SaddamĆs weapons of mass destruction, if heĆs still got them, will be peanuts by comparison with the stuff Israel or America could hurl at him at five minutesĆ notice. What is at stake is not an imminent military or terrorist threat, but the economic imperative of US growth. What is at stake is AmericaĆs need to demonstrate its military power to all of us ů to Europe and Russia and China, and poor mad little North Korea, as well as the Middle East; to show who rules America at home, and who is to be ruled by America abroad.
The most charitable interpretation of Tony BlairĆs part in all this is that he believed that, by riding the tiger, he could steer it. He canĆt. Instead, he gave it a phoney legitimacy, and a smooth voice. Now I fear, the same tiger has him penned into a corner, and he canĆt get out.
It is utterly laughable that, at a time when Blair has talked himself against the ropes, neither of BritainĆs opposition leaders can lay a glove on him. But thatĆs BritainĆs tragedy, as it is AmericaĆs: as our Governments spin, lie and lose their credibility, the electorate simply shrugs and looks the other way. BlairĆs best chance of personal survival must be that, at the eleventh hour, world protest and an improbably emboldened UN will force Bush to put his gun back in his holster unfired. But what happens when the worldĆs greatest cowboy rides back into town without a tyrantĆs head to wave at the boys?
BlairĆs worst chance is that, with or without the UN, he will drag us into a war that, if the will to negotiate energetically had ever been there, could have been avoided; a war that has been no more democratically debated in Britain than it has in America or at the UN. By doing so, Blair will have set back our relations with Europe and the Middle East for decades to come. He will have helped to provoke unforeseeable retaliation, great domestic unrest, and regional chaos in the Middle East. Welcome to the party of the ethical foreign policy.
There is a middle way, but itĆs a tough one: Bush dives in without UN approval and Blair stays on the bank. Goodbye to the special relationship.
I cringe when I hear my Prime Minister lend his head prefectĆs sophistries to this colonialist adventure. His very real anxieties about terror are shared by all sane men. What he canĆt explain is how he reconciles a global assault on al-Qaeda with a territorial assault on Iraq. We are in this war, if it takes place, to secure the fig leaf of our special relationship, to grab our share of the oil pot, and because, after all the public hand-holding in Washington and Camp David, Blair has to show up at the altar.
ôBut will we win, Daddy?ö
ôOf course, child. It will all be over while youĆre still in bed.ö
ôWhy?ö
ôBecause otherwise Mr BushĆs voters will get terribly impatient and may decide not to vote for him.ö
ôBut will people be killed, Daddy?ö
ôNobody you know, darling. Just foreign people.ö
ôCan I watch it on television?ö
ôOnly if Mr Bush says you can.ö
ôAnd afterwards, will everything be normal again? Nobody will do anything horrid any more?ö
ôHush child, and go to sleep.ö
Last Friday a friend of mine in California drove to his local supermarket with a sticker on his car saying: ôPeace is also Patrioticö. It was gone by the time heĆd finished shopping.
The author has also contributed to an openDemocracy debate on Iraq at www.openDemocracy.net
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Elevators, conference rooms, everywhere:
"Upbeat
Michael Capellas, the ex-Compaq chief who quit the just-merged HP-Compaq for the unenviable challenge of salvaging WorldCom, is wasting little time revving up his bankrupt company's battered troops. WorldCom employees from all over the world were treated yesterday to some morale-boosting music while waiting for Capellas to begin his state-of-WorldCom conference call. The WorldCom hit parade included Tom Petty's "Won't Back Down" and Steely Dan's "Do it Again."
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1042490786865
Yeah, go out there and gamble some more, Corporate America.
War? Witness John Le CarrT's take on the whole issue:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,482-543296,00.html
b
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: to change the subject, nodding to angel: kudos to PBS for yet another fantastic series, this one on chicago - it is fascinating and riveting, if you have not cuaght it, do so - even picking up a section of it is fine, you don't need to see it from the beginning
in planning school, i had a professor who taught all planning principles based upon chicago - and i must admit sheepishly now i did not appreciate it at all - i used to think "if this guy talks about chicago one more time..." - at the time, my heart was leaning towards boston/nyc/DC so the thought of going west had little interest in me
now that i am watching this series, i have seen the error of my youthful academic ways - they were on the absolute leading edge of what would become basic planning principles
amazing stuff - catch it if you can
User: fezo | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Mu: I hope your sales expectations for "While The Guestbook Slept" aren't too high. Might I suggest a run of 1?
User: Mistress of Mayhem | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: St.Al, IMO George Bush Jr. got elected by having his brother Jeb pull a fast one. (Funny that they had so much trouble with their voting machines in the State that Jr's brother was Governor....) Much in the same manner George Bush Sr. sand bagged Carter's re-election efforts by prolonging the release of the Iran Hostages in order to ensure ol Ronnie Ray-gun won the election. Oil corporations are pushing for War, as well as the Military Industrial Complex.... everyone makes money. The poor and middle-class are the ones that pays the price with the loss of a loved one.
User: TBC | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Correct St Al
Latest opinion poll in Britain (Newsnight last night)
Support for war - 13 %
Opposition to war - 58 %
Undecided - 29%
We Brits don't want a war either, nor do the vast majority of the ruling "Labour" party MPs - It is only the autocratic Tony "Maggie Thatcher in trousers" Blair trying to write himself into the history books as the 51st state of the USA (until Castro dies then the 52nd)
NO SLAUGHTER IN IRAQ
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Mu: The BIG difference here is the US is thumping its chest without the backing of the UN and NATO. Short of a UN consensus and backing from more than just Britain a war on Iraq is just plain ludicrous. You think the US has a PR problem in the eyes of the world now, just wait until Georgie boy and the Hawks wage a war that most of the world population doesn't want.
Oh, and the EU has gone on record stating they wont help rebuild an Iraq we destroy. Hmmm, I wonder how much that's gonna cost me/you?
How can anyone justify this? How can Americans be so stupid (to vote for and support an idiot president and his staff)? It amazes me... Bunch of fucking sheep I tell you.
StAl
User: John Wayne | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Don't listen to the doc - He has only read "Mein Kampf" and sits watching endless reruns of "Fantasia", "Yankee Doodle Dandy" and "The greatest story ever told" when John Wayne, in character as a roman legionaire, utters the magic words -
(In the style of George W Bush - that paragon of right wing intellect
"Well boah, trooleee this meeeen was the sun oaf Goad"
This quite obviously proves the fact that even in Roman times it was in fact the good old US of A who were the Romans in disguise and built up an Empire to rival the one they are trying to build again now by the mindless carpet bombing of women and children.
Fact: If you spent ú57 million dollars every DAY since Christ was born you would still not have spent as much as the USA has on defense since 1945 - Scary eh ??
Time for a new way - give PEACE a chance.
No war in the middle East - Start with the enemy within.
User: WuAreYou | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Eminence Front = this GuestBook, no ?
User: sadaam | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: War ?? What war ??
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 15
Message: Take a rest now doctor.
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: as WAR looms
User: ¦ - don't mention the war | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: as was looms in Iraq as even Hans Blix sounded semi-tough and Saddam's boys play the shell game with WMD evidence and North Korea thank Jimmy Carter for the plutonium and have today traded 2 nukes for the state of New Mexico...I waxed nostalgic for the Last War - the one fought from 20,000 feet over Kosovo...with nary a brave soldier in sight, nor any vital interest to the US, nor impact on world peace or safety ...
So I checked out the dreaded Archives of late March and beginning of April 1999 - the bombing began on 3/24...Naturally, there was tremendous OUTRAGE at our aggression...uhhhhh, NOT...
Ahhhŕmemories
As the US began the War in Kosovo under the guise of NATO by air with absolutely no ground back up. 1,000,000 Muslims in Kosovo were evicted (and some killed).. in the end Milixovich bit the bullet, but the Serbs got exactly what they wanted: (1) retention of Kosovo and (2) ethnic cleansing of the former Muslim majority...no, we only wait to protect ourselves against terrorism and nukes 'til the Stars come out at night!!!
Topics of discussion during the first week of the Kosovo War
(1) Donald FagenĆs rumored polyps on the vocal chords
(2) UConnĆs victory over Duke in the 1999 NCAA basketball finals
(3) DanFest in New Orleans
Mitch checked with with a succinct assessment of the crisis:
Name: Mitch
Fuck Serbia
Before he was a symbol of the man that we once knew:
Name: DrMu
hide out here
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 at 20:30:51
Comments:
Flying Douchebag: and how 'bout that bizzaro virtual world that awaited
me tonight when I tried to catch up with the day's events following office work
and chauffering the young'uns this evening, huh? The draft-dodging
Commander-in-Briefs is now a war-monger in another country's civil war currently
in its 7th century with no end game, or plan for that matter, while the liberal
Democrats applaud...and the now "peace-loving" Republicans point to parallels
with Vietnam, claiming that Clinton is using the chaos domino effect
theory...was that a Hollywood ingenue I saw holding a cat with a wooden bridge
and virtual smoke behind her??? Well, thank God we gentleman losers can hang out
at the place Al Gore invented in the 11th grade! NO TIME IS BETTER THAN NOW TO
LISTEN TO STEELY DAN!! Hear the glory of the re-mastered Katy Lied in just 27
days! Your lame attempt at acrimony is but a butterball basting compared with
the scorching dissonance of Walter's solos on Black Friday...the resonance of
Michael McDonald's backing vocals on Bad Sneakers...I'm now kerflempkt - talk
amongst yourselves.
Ole: I caught the taxi driver weeping like a wounded beast
Fezo voices his concern over the Warŕerrr Paul SimonĆs stamina
Name: fezo
BridgeOverMozambique
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 1999 at 11:44:17
Comments:
adding fuel to the Dylan/Simon tour fire: today's Post (Washington)
reports that the two will each play 75 minute solo sets, then "at most dates"
will do three or four duets. I'd be willing to pay more for one of the non-duet
dates. Dylan doing "Mrs. Robinson"? Run awayyyyy!!!
In the at least he's consistent department: Clas checks in with a
tongue-in-cheek poem
Name: Clas
@ work
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 1999 at 01:53:05
Comments:
JustKaty - who's El Supremo?
Hi all good people! You yankees. I sat up all night, working on a piece, kind of poem, in fact a tribune to The Wonderful Country you have over there; USA.
What I mean is; we're not gonna have any misunderstandings when we meet face to face, shall we?
This is what I came up with last night:
"WONDERFUL COUNTRY
Oh you brave Nation
Always showing the Sunny Side,
Like your breakfast eggs at lunch
A land, much stronger than its coffee,
And thanks to the Marins
We can sleep tight at nights
United States, United States
We are all united
In our hearts"
See you!
User: Horton Hears A Who | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: "The President's got his war
folks don't know what it
for..
tired ol' ladies kissin dogs"
compared to what"
Less Mc Cann & Eddie Harris
Lp "Swiss Movement"
bluz
User: Horton | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: EMINENCE FRONT
(Pete Townshend) ¬ 1982 Towser Tunes
Inc. administered by Longitude Music Co. BMI.
The sun shines
And people forget
The spray flies as the speedboat
glides
And people forget
Forget they're hiding
The girls smile
And
people forget
The snow packs as the skier tracks
And people
forget
Forget they're hiding.
Behind an eminence front
Eminence front - It's a put on.
Come on join the party
Dress to kill
Won't you come and join the
party
Dress to kill.
The drinks flow
People forget
That big wheel spins, the hair
thins
People forget
Forget they're hiding
The news slows
People
forget
The shares crash, hopes are dashed
People forget
Forget they're
hiding.
Behind an eminence front
Eminence front - it's a put on
Come on join
the party
Dress to
Come on join the party
Dress to
Come on join the
party
Dress to
Come on join the party
Dress to kill
Dress yourself,
dressed to kill.
User: N. Cognito | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: AP Corrects Townshend Story
LONDON (AP)--In a Jan. 13 story about Pete Townshend, the rock guitarist and co-founder of The Who, The Associated Press erroneously reported that he had admitted using his credit card to download images from an Internet site advertising child pornography.
Townshend said only that he had used his credit card to enter the site and told a London newspaper he had never downloaded child pornography.
User: Duncan not making sense | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: ''Whatever''
User: duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: ''in a world of Spence''
I'm not sure what's worse,
waiting for the new one or treading on a peice of lego , barefoot.
both of
which i've done tonight.
I liked the recording story's also.
Cyn: ;)
Dano: dohh
User: Mistress of Mayhem | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: OhMeOhMy....lol I knew it was our rude waitress! Sorry couldn't talk with you Cyn, was lured away by a certain Dragon-man.. lol lol It's always nice to see you. Talk soon?!!!!
User: Flame | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: SMD dude - que pasa? Comment ca va? drop a line
User: OhWhatTheHell - Version 6.66 | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: Do you also find that NieghborsDomesticDispute(millenial
edition)v2.0
conflicts with QuietNightIn v2.3?
How about...,
NeverendingTelephoneCoversation v6.0
EmergencyAtTheOffice
v7.2
TheFaucetBrokeAndICantStopTheLeak v1.0
CantYouStopThatDogFromBarking
v80.9
User: one more for Cyn | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: copy of memo to
The manufacturer of Norton, Norton
and Norton Lawyer Bundle
Dear Sirs
While using your product to remove
Husband 1979 v1.0, I experienced the following problems
1) Major reduction in
usable hardware
2) corruption of modem, High Bandwidth model has had to be
replaced by community Low Bandwidth model, causing major problems with data
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3) this problem is further compounded by teengirl v1.1 and sports
boy 1.9 which come with unistallable automatic log ons
I wish to bring these problems to your attention as I feel that these are a direct result of bugs in your software product.
Despite these major faults, your product did successfully remove, Drinking Mates 4.2, Lads Night Out 3.1, Football 2.0 , Playboy 6.1. and Free Sex Plus the last of which I am extremely relived to be rid of, as it was always faulty, it's run time was completely incompatible with my systems requirements.
This has left room for me to install Ladies Night v2.3, Quiet Night In v2.3 and most importantly for my newly reduced system, still have room for games software such as Tranquillity Rules to replace Conflict v24/7 and Cretans II
User: Paige | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: Cyn...
That's you!? Oh me! Oh my!
-Paige
User: Cyn | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: post #218...Brilliant!
Paige?..OhmeOhmy..guess who?
Danoooooo...looking at the 29th of Jan..or the 3rd of Feb for at least 10 days. Alan has on-site business on the 1st and 2nd...and that would "blow" that weekend.Thinking the 3rd is my best bet...I'll eblast ya later today. Maybe we could do a mini danfest the weekend of the 8th.
Wasn't Wynona Rider doing "research" too...whilst shoplifting?
Jim#...you lost 50,000 points for not guessing who I was..HA!
User: Howard | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message:
The tabloid news services jumping to conclusions
about Pete Townsend? Whatever next.
Consumers of tabloid news swallowing every premature conclusion with barely a question? Whatever next.
Some other UK news stories that may be of interest:
Anti-terrorist police continue to question suspects after raid on London
house showed recent manufacture of deadly poison
ricin:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2652773.stm
Palestinians defy London talks
ban:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2655799.stm
Howard
User: The OX | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: Yeah but it is still illegal in Britain to access a kiddie porn site - for whatever purpose - Period
User: ôMr Townshend has been interviewed this evening by police. He has not been charged with anything '' | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-542538,00.html
User: Keith Moon | Month: 0 | Day: 14
Message: Pete Townshend a pervert ?
Who's next ???
User: C @ Work | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: Aussie - brilliant, yes. With his creditcard and all.
Altamira - cat? You know, or let's say; I don't know hell how it happened, but our sons cat, Miss Thompson, is a permanent guest in our house now. You can have her.
¦ - Norah Jones on TV last night. From New Orleans (House of Blues), August, last year. I wish I could say I was thrilled.
Funny thing though, her Tour Manager came in on a couple of songs for backup-vox.
Then I fell asleep, but maybe it was the Xanax.
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: Just reading about Pete Townsend...
It says that he was arrested for "possessing and making indecent
images of
children and of INCITEMENT TO DISTRIBUTE SUCH IMAGES."
Holy shit! Extremely shocking news...
Hopefully this is all a
misunderstanding of some kind.
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: hmmm...I'm wonder though why Scotland Yard was after the "peeper" instead of the perverts running the website...
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1076369,00.html
Jimbo: In fairness to the hospital, Maurice Gibb had a history of cardiac
problems - 2 heart attacks. He had a third on his way to the operating table.
with an intestinal blockage there is no choice but to operate. Humans as a
species are notoriously poor at handling GI surgeries, ruptures, food poisoning.
Even pumped full of antiboitics, the chances of sepsis or septic syndrome are
high. Even if relativelyfew bacteria escape the GI, the trauma would lead to
huge amount of something called LPS or lipopolysaccharides leaking from dead or
acteria in the GI tract. LPS can begin a profound inflammatory/immune response
that can take some time to get cranked up.
These pathways often involve chemicals called cytokines, which are normally part of the immune defense system against microbe or parasite infection. However, with a septic-like condition the cytokines go overboard stimulating proteins (there's one called nuclear factor-kappaB) that cause a surge in production of proteins and nasty chemicals such as prostaglandins and free radicals in an attempt to stop foreign invasion - but they are released ar rates that are toxic to the cardiovascular system, kidneys, and respiratory muscles. Like an allergy - it's a common case where the immune system just goes overboard. Also a big surge in cortisol (stress hormone) post surgery would further weaken the heart and diaphragm muscle.
This is one of the Great problems with even elective surgery, as careful as a surgeon is, and in the healthiest person, there is this risk. The bottom line, the surgery performed on Maurice Gibb would have placed tremendous stress on his weak heart, diaphragm muscle (primary inspriatory muscle that is especially susceptible), and kidneys. It is not uncommon for the vital organs to be AOK the 12 hours after surgery (I think that's what Robin? reported to the press. It's classic for the LPS - cytokine cascade to take even days to reach a toxic or clinical threshold. While obviously I have not seen the autopsy, but based on Marucie Gibb's clinical history, and likely drug and alcohol history, age, and acute GI blockage + surgery, frankly I felt bad for their family but was not surprised at all. It's probable that the physicians could not have saved his life with the current set of drugs and procedures in common practice...
Those who know their US history will remember it took like 6 days for a gunshot in the belly to kill William McKinley...Teddy Roosevelt was VP and became the US's youngest President at the time...
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: hmmm...I'm wonder though why Scotland Yard was after the "peeper" instead of the perverts running the website...
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1076369,00.html
Jimbo: In fairness to the hospital, Maurice Gibb had a history of cardiac
problems - 2 heart attacks. He had a third on his way to the operating table.
with an intestinal bockage there is no choice but to operate. humans as a
species are notoriusly poor at handling GI surgeries, ruptures, food poisining.
Even pumped full of antiboitics, the chances of sepsis or spesis syndrom are
high. Even if few bacteria escape the GI, the trauma would lead to huge amount
of something called LPS or lipopolysaccharides leaking from dead or acteria in
the GI tract. LPS can begin a profound inflammatory/immune response that can
take some time to get cranked up.
These pathways often involve chemicals called cytokines, which are normally part of the immune defense system against microbe or parasite infection. However, with a septic-like condition the cytokines go overboard stimulating proteins (there's one called nuclear factor-kappaB) that cause a surge in production of proteins and nasty chemicals such as prostaglandins and free radicals in an attempt to stop foreign invasion - but they are released ar rates that are toxic to the cardiovascular system, kidneys, and respiratory muscles. Like an allergy - it's a common case where the immune system just goes overboard.
This is one of the Great problems with even elective surgery, as careful as a surgeon is, and in the healthiest person, there is this risk. The bottom line, the surgery performed on Maurice Gibb would have placed tremendous stress on his weak heart, diaphragm muscle (primary inspriatory muscle that is especially susceptible), and kidneys. It is not uncommon for the vital organs to be AOK the 12 hours after surgery (I think that's what Robin? reported to the press. It's classic for the LPS - cytokine cascade to take even days to reach a toxic or clinical threshold. While obviously I have not seen the autopsy, but based on Marucie Gibb's clinical history, and likely drug and alcohol history, age, and acute GI blockage + surgery, frankly I felt bad for their family but was not surprised at all. It's probable that the physicians could not have saved his life with the current set of drugs and procedures in common practice...
Those who know their US history will remember it took like 6 days for a gunshot in the belly to kill William McKinley...Teddy Roosevelt was VP and became the US's youngest President at the time...
User: Aussie | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: Terrible news on Mr. Townshend. Downloading kiddie porn for "research purposes"??? Even if the real motives were sinistre, it will never change the way I view the universe of his curriculum vitae: BRILLIANT.
June: Still here lovie....just taking a break from the rat race. Love, Ward.
Aus
User: ¦ - and now for your consideration...is that Captain...........Kirk? | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: Hey, this site may be full o' Jung-stas after all...
The merging of Pete Townshend and Raelian clone discussion by St. Al is kinda eerie...
The Raelian religion began in 1973:
On the 13th of December 1973, French journalist Rael was contacted by a visitor from an other planet, and asked to establish an Embassy to welcome these people back to Earth.
http://www.rael.org/int/english/index.html
Yet, as all Who fans know, Pete Townshend wrote the first rock mini-opera Rael (Parts 1 and 2) for the album The Who Sell Out
Rael 1 + 2 were recorded July 5, 1967, SIX years before that Aliens got lost on the way to visit a redneck in Nebraska and landed in France!!!!!...yeah, right...
Anyway, here are the lyrics:
Rael
The Red Chins in their millions
Will overspill their borders
And chaos
then will reign in our Rael
Rael, the home of my religion
To me the center of the Earth
The Red Chins in their millions
Will overspill their borders
And chaos
then will reign in our Rael
My heritage is threatened
My roots are torn and cornered
And so to do
my best I'll homeward sail
And so to do my best I'll homeward sail
Now Captain, listen to my instructions
Return to this spot on Christmas
Day
Look toward the shore for my signal
And then you'll know if in Rael
I'll stay
If a yellow flag is fluttering
Sickly herald against the morn
Then
you'll know my courage has ended
And you'll send your boat ashore
But if a red flag is flying
Brazen bold against the blue
Then you'll
know that I am staying
And my yacht belongs to you
Now Captain, listen to my instructions
Return to this spot on Christmas
Day
Look toward the shore for my signal
And then you'll know if in Rael
I'll stay
He's crazy if he thinks we're coming back again
He's crazy if he thinks
we're coming back again
He's crazy if he thinks we're coming back
again
He's crazy, anyway
If a yellow flag is fluttering
Sickly herald against the morn
Then
you'll know my courage has ended
And you'll send your boat ashore
Rael II
What I see is all I've seen,
In my sweetest sleep in
dreams,
What I feel is all I've felt,
When by newborn babes I've
knelt,
What I know now is all I've known,
That has been good while I have
grown,
Bless the thoughts that made me sail
And the God who made Rael.
I think it's human nature to want the best for our heroes, though we
don't really KNOW them AT ALL personally...but in thinking about it rationally -
I don't give a rat's ass anymore than when OJ was arrested (though there were
victims of a heinous murder who were the real concern, and of course the bizarro
"chase" in the White Bronco). If Townshend is innocent, I hope he is exonerated
quickly. If guitly, may justice be served - that's the way Pete would want it. I
don't know much about the details, the monitoring (if that's true) of internet
site visits is creepy, especially if this case branched from monitoring
potential terrorists (which DOES take a court order)...but in the post-ACLU
defending NAMBLA and 1000 pedophilic priests world, there is an expectation of
more intense scrutiny in this area by authorities...
Whatever the case, it doesn't changes Pete's gift for songwriting over the discography... any more than the songs and performances of Cat Stevens or Al Green are altered who left for valid religious reasons...or a Van Gogh painting's brilliance because he was a crazed stalker... They all stand on their own...
Howard: Yes, the A/D conversion stories and folding into Pro-Tools now hold even more credence...and there could have been more than one conversion attempted...
User: Uncle SteveeD | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: Please don't shout as Pete fiddles about ...
Fiddle
about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about ...
Sad ... and hopefully not true.
User: Steveedan (the spider) | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: Let's just hope Pete's not a fibber and fibber ...
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: Well, I hadn't heard a word about the Pete Townshend situation until I read about it here. I've been listening to All Things Considered and Marketplace, and neither program has mentioned it. By the way, I was pleased to learn that Townshend had been an editor at Faber and Faber.
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: The media are already hyping the Pete Townshend thing to death. No doubt SNL will find some soppy humor behind it. It's sad that the mainstream media wants to make it a big deal.
They should just leave it alone and let the both parties (Townshend and the police) handle it. The mainstream press must be out of touch with the very thing I'm sure they grew up listening to when they were kids themselves.
Even if you don't like Gary Glitter for what he did, the stadiums still play that "Rock And Roll Part 2." It's ok to like the song, but not the person. I still like Townshend. He offered a logical explanation based on what I read in USA Today as well as this GB.
Let's not judge Townshend too harshly yet. Let's instead judge the hospital that Maurice Gibb went to and died. Let's judge them on the quality of care to patients.
Let's see the mainstreamers tackle that.
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: LP, I'm pretty sure that a number of web sites are
monitored. Certainly even more so afer 9/11. People hunting for sexual predators
of children know that almost always the pedophile uses child pornography. Child
pornography is different than most other forms of pornography. Due to the nature
of child pornography, the child is always a victim. It is illegal to possess any
form of child porn in the U.S.
I have been in Banyan Trees chatroom on a
number of occasions when individuals claiming to be teenagers have visited. A
few may have been teenaged. But some were obviously not. As anyone with
teenagers knows, they behave much differently than an adult. (Like when a few of
the ladies were complaining about their menopausal symptons in chat, A fifteen
year old guy would have bailed) Maybe it was just someone playing games? Or
perhaps it was a police officer in there "fishing" ? In any case my feelings on
the subject is: HAPPY HUNTING GUYS!
User: t - did I really type... | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: ...theoritcally?
User: tones | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: I agree Randy, because when you read the facts of what happened they don't add up to Pete being guilty of anything yet (with the possible exception viewing, depending on the law. And if one can't view how would one do research?) If I'm not mistaken, in England, you can be arrested on suspicion and held until evidence is found, whereas here in the states it's (usually, hopefully) the other way around. So the word "arrested" in a headline means something a bit more extreme in the states. The headlines here in the states (as per Google news, a theoritcally un-bias headline harvester) are sensationalizing it to death already, and what's fucked up is that even if he's not guilty, all most people will see is today's headlines.
media "justice"
t
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: placing aside ascertaining "guilt" in this matter on Pete Townsend - is anyone troubled by the fact that there is monitoring of an individual looking at a porn site?
kinda creepy, ain't it?
check your cookie jar folks!
User: Randy | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message:
In regards to the last posting concerning Pete Townshend, I thought I would note that I am a regular reader of Townshend's site, which includes Pete's "Diary" entries, a number of which involved Pete's distress over the availability of child pornography on the internet; in the same (or possibly another) entry, he discussed a friend who had experienced abuse and that he had assisted to some capacity her seeking of therapy, as well as having been very vocal (particulary in England) about the availability of images on the net; Townshend mentioned that he specifically came across numerous porn sites simply by typing the word "sex" into the Google search engine (he does have a teenage son, making this a valid consideration); Townshend also reported through his site diary entries that some search engines were limiting or considering limiting ALL viewing through predetermined filtering (which he appeared to be against based on free speech issues unrelated to pornography). What is not known to many is that Townshend has considerable research experience in general having been an editor at Faber & Faber, a publishing house in England; while this is no way meant to represent a plea of Townshend's innocence, it is meant to suggest a degree of consideration before judgement until all the surrounding issues are made clear.
Randy
NIGHTFLY**@aol.com
User: Q | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: Please, Dear God, tell me that Pete Townsend is not guilty of this.
This man has created so much beauty, it boggles the mind that this could be true.
speechless...
Q
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: Vindictiveness for All--One of my brothers and his wife live in Greeley, a dreary, small-minded place. The Greeley Tribune is a wretched paper; the writing, editing, and proofreading are abysmal.
I found your comments to be rather sexist. For example, where did you find the statistics that indicate that only boys get into trouble for simulating guns? I did some work on a brochure and some reports on school violence when I had a contract at the Department of Health and Human Services, and while I was doing my research, I seem to recall having come across some articles about girls getting trouble for similar infractions.
Midnite--I hope things are going well with your work situation. Maybe one of these days I'll find an Abby who needs rescuing; my most recent foster cat (who has since been adopted) was part Siamese, so maybe a part Abby will come my way.
User: And Vindictiveness For All - Evening The Score In The Evening Of Society | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: The creeping lunacy creeps on, creepishly. It gives life a constancy comforting in an uncertain world. For this we should be grateful.
In the GreeleyTribune* of northern Colorado I see that Mitch Muller, a
boy of thirteen, has been expelled from school for a year. Yep. Gone.
You might surmise that he committed some grave crime, that he assaulted a
teacher perhaps or was discovered to be selling bulk-lot cocaine. No. He played
with a small laser pointer-the sort that projects a red dot onto maps during
lectures. It was, said the depressing drones who run the school, a "gun
facsimile."
This is fascinating, like a rare and aggressive tumor. Let us think about
it.
To begin, there is no substance to the charge. A laser pointer does not
look like a gun, no more so than a ball-point pen or a lipstick tube. It isn't a
weapon, doesn't look like a weapon, and is not intimidating, being less
dangerous than, say, a fist.
Further, note that we are not confronted by a somewhat overzealous
application of a reasonable rule. If young Muller had disrupted class and gotten
tossed for a week, that would have excessive but not absurd. (Excessive because
unnecessary: When you have a male principal who has not been administratively
neutered, he says, "Bobby, stop that. Now." That's all he says.)
The child was suspended for a year, not for misbehavior but for
possession of a legal and harmless object that was determined ex post facto to
be gunlike. You see. Crimes carry harsh penalties, but you cannot tell what
things are crimes until after you have committed them. That is, the authorities
can find you guilty at will, whenever they wish to punish you.
This isn't discipline. It's sadism-sexless, boring, mean-spirited
bureaucratic sadism. The school's officials are seeking to hurt the child
because they enjoy doing it.
This Stalinism of the inadequate isn't a fluke. Across the country, time
and again, little boys (always boys) are suspended for pointing chicken fingers
and saying "bang," for drawing soldiers or the Trade Centers in flames. The
schools are in the hands of sodden prisses, intellectual offal, who don't like
male children. Mediocrity loves revenge, revenge on others for one's own
mediocrity.
"Passive aggression," if memory serves, means an attempt to hurt others
while pretending that one's aim is pious. Passive aggression, and its cousin
misdirected aggression, dominate American culture. Again and again, bullying is
packaged as high principle.
Consider the persecution of smokers-which is what it is. Yes, reasonable
restrictions on smoking are, well, reasonable. To have a smoking section in a
restaurant is an exercise in consideration, given that having a stream of smoke
in one's eyes is unpleasant.
By contrast, putting signs in a subway saying that "second-hand smoke"
shortens the lives of children, which it doesn't, with a picture of a piteous,
helpless, wide-eyed child, is sheer hostility. So are laws banning smoking
within fifteen feet of governmental buildings. The intention is not to provide
for the common comfort, but to make smokers as miserable as possible.
The giveaway of a mean-spirited law is that it doesn't do what it
pretends to do, yet makes people unhappy. Consider the agitations of the rabble
opposed to guns. These vessels of rightness transparently are not concerned to
prevent crime with firearms. You hear nothing from them favoring mandatory heavy
sentences for using a gun in a crime. Nor do they criticize the drug dealer in
the ghetto who kills his enemies. Their efforts are aimed at law-abiding men who
own guns.
It is personal hostility disguised as concern with crime.
Similar spuriousness underlies the degrading searches at airports. The
government's policy isn't rational. If we armed pilots, watched Moslems, and
conducted searches, I might believe that security was the motive. But we don't.
Taking nail clippers is ridiculous, like suspending a kid for having a laser
pointer. The searches seem designed to humiliate. I have been searched by, among
others, Israelis and Japanese. Neither had people undressing in public, and
neither was staffed by hostile minorities getting even.
There is in all of this, in so very much of American life today, a
vindictive meanness enwrapped in moral pose-in hate-crime laws, in careers
deliberately destroyed over imaginary sexual harassment, people destroyed over
any trace of racial incorrectness, fathers prevented from seeing their children
by vengeful exes and worse courts. Why?
I'll guess that the cause is a confluence of two social currents. First,
the United States is an angry, divided, unhappy country, twisted by unresolved
conflicts that it refuses to face. Racial tension is ugly, powerful, and a
forbidden topic. Women are grindingly angry at men. Men, angry at the divorce
laws, avoid marriage. Universal divorce causes deep strains that we don't talk
about. Children raised as half-abandoned mall rats turn into angry young adults.
The recently acquired American habit of distributing emoluments by race
and sex rather than merit rubs people raw. The decay of the schools into centers
of indoctrination angers many. The inability to escape the filth that flows from
Hollyork grates. Perhaps more so does the inability in a mass, centrally run,
not particularly free society to influence one's surroundings, raise one's
children in one's values, or escape ever-deepening regulation.
Repressed anger seeks outlets.
The United States is further, I think, a frightened country, or at least
an insecure one. People are afraid of terrorists and crime but more importantly
vaguely afraid of a life that isn't satisfactory, yet seems uncontrollable by
them. There is a widespread sense that the country is sliding fast toward
something undesirable yet hidden in the murk Insecurity breeds both meanness and
a desire for control.
The feminization of society plays its part. On average, men prefer
freedom to security; women, security to freedom. Women, having climbed into a
male world in which they don't seem comfortable, seek laws, laws, laws to
control every cause of angst. Men, hemmed in, feel trapped. Much of the
tightening control seeks security-helmet laws for kids on bicycles, fear of
smoke, seat-belt laws, ever-falling definitions of drunk driving, warning labels
stating the universally known, the neurotic fear of laser pointers, the
hostility of a female-run school system to competition and rough games beloved
of boys.
The astonishing thing in the latter is that women, thought to be
nurturing of children, will destroy, will permit the destruction, of boy
children by an angry sisterhood in the schools. The instinct of motherhood is
perhaps overstated.
The answer? I suggest Cebu, Mexico, or Thailand.
*Greeley Tribune, Jan 8
User: angel | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: Back at work and I can see that Blaise been busy. Great stuff on 2nd Arrangement, B and, as usual it leaves us with more questions then answers. If the implication is that the song was erased all the way to the fade out, then the final mix is totally gone and their should not be a little piece floating around. So, we still wonder what that 18 second clip is all about. Hmmm...
Ride on the train was uneventful, thank goodness....
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: hey bill - your playstation is calling...
User: Re Software Fix.... | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: Suggest you try using a Shareware program called Escort
Agency 2002 v1.2.
This is not new software having been up and running in
various forms for many years.
It is utilised daily by millions of people
around the world.You should be able to source it locally or via the
net.
Escort Agency does not conflict with Lads Night out 3.1, Drinking Mates
4.2, Football 2.1 or Playboy 6.1.
In many cases it will multitask with all of
these!
It does drain some system resources (less than Mistress 2000) and
should not be used where any on-line banking system
uses Wife 1.xx as a
shared resource. Girlfriend 1.xx should also be avoided.
Virus protection
using Escort Agency 2002 is a necessity (to avoid the problems you encountered
with Party Girl 2.1) but always comes bundled with the software.
The problem
with your Vauxhall Software / Hardware / Wetware can be solved ...possibly...by
contacting WWW.mountainbike.co.nz/clubs. You will be able to source an
integrated solution that uses less resource than Vauxhall and doesn't require
constant patches. The RIDEABIKE .v1.new system can also fine tune Wife v1.0 if
compatable !
Looking through your list it will tune some of your other
software too.
You could sell Vauxhall to another person who uses Party Girl
2.1 to pay for RIDEABIKE.v1 (provided Vauxhall is not a pirated copy)
and
then possibly use Vauxhall as Drinking Mates 4.2, Football 2.1 allow.
User: b | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: And hearing about Donald going "Naw... scrap
it."
Those were great vocal tracks he was dismissing there, judging from what
we've heard. Well, Nichols gave in to the pressure and talked about it.
That
was interesting.
User: Blaise | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: StAl - Oh well...
And right on about Rael. By the
way, your own site has seen extensive coverage of this at one point, what with
that "z" guy becoming a high priest of the movement and all that, the jive that
ensued. It did become a topic. It's somewhere in the archives.
My man Rael,
trying to think up a marketing scheme, some State-recognized organized religion,
ends up with an interesting take of the Bible, or one just as plausible as any
organized religion's interpretation out there, by the looks of it, I agree.
But then his tale also has all the appearances of being the product of one
having taken that brown acid in '75 and flipped a little too hard on The LAmb
Lies Down on Broadway ("I'm Rael!", remember?). The Lamb, The Mother Ship
landing on New York... Yeah...
Yes indeed, some interesting insights from the inside sources, who might slip
up some info on the SD sessions and inevitably do. Those we look out for, if
interested, naturally. I don't understand it all, the technical stuff, but I
know some here are equipped to understand it and will help explain. So I drop it
here.
Big drums, he said... whoa, you know... hehe
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: I'm sorry, are you Girlfriend 1.0 or the Mother-In-Law pop up?
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: bill - now stop that - that is a bad email forward...
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: WAY too funny!
LMAO!!!
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: really clas? - i remember the call out of names and the crowd going as wild as they did for the band - perfect - i think the quote was something like:
"and for all you stoned steely dan fans out there, on the mixing board this evening..."
who was in mansfield, help me out here...
User: new ? | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: Eighteen months ago I upgraded to Girlfriend 1.0 from
Drinking Mates 4.2 which I had used for years without any trouble. However,
there are apparently conflicts between these two products and the only solution
was to try and run Girlfriend 1.0 with the sound turned off. To make matters
worse, Girlfriend 1.0 is also incompatible with several other applications, such
as Lads Night Out 3.1, Football 2 and Playboy 6.1. Successive versions of
Girlfriend have proved no better. A shareware beta-programme, Party Girl 2.1,
had many bugs and left a virus in my system, forcing me to shut down completely
for several weeks. Eventually I tried to run Girlfriend 1.2 and Girlfriend 1.0
at the same time, only to discover that when these two systems detected each
other they caused severe damage to all my hardware. Sensing a way out, I
upgraded to FiancT 1.0 only to discover that this product had to be upgraded to
Wife 1.0. I did this largely because, whilst Wife 1.0 uses up all available
resources, it does come bundled with FreeSex Plus and Cleanhouse 2000. However,
I discovered that Wife 1.0 can be very unstable and costly to run. For example,
any mistakes I made were automatically stored in Wife 1.0's memory and could not
be deleted, they would resurface months later. Wife 1.0 also has an automatic
Diary Explorer and E-mail porn filter, and can, without warning, launch
Photostrop and Whingezip. These latter products have no help files and require
you to try and guess the problem yourself. Additional costly problems are that
the Wife 1.0 bundle, that came with the original system, needs updating
regularly, requiring Shoe Shop Browser Pro for new attachments and Hairstyle
Express needs to be reinstalled every other week. It also conflicts with some of
the new games I wanted to try, stating that they are an illegal operation. When
Wife 1.0 attaches itself to my Nova programme it often crashes or runs the
system dry. Wife 1.0 also has a rather annoying pop-up called Mother-in-Law,
which can't be turned off. Recently I have been tempted to try Mistress 2000,
but there could be problems: if Wife 1.0 detects the presence of Mistress 2000
it will delete all MS Money files before un-installing itself
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: LP - what? They didn't introduce the techs at the soundboard here in Stockholm.
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: wow - serious shit in here, great stuff
one of the best and most fun moments at a steely dan concert is watching the crowd go wild when the engineers and the staff on the sounding board is introduced - it's classic - and now i know why from reading what's below
in deep at work, back to lurk-mode, all is well on the island, cold and snow looming in the clouds, ready for its drop...snow covered mountains against a rocky shoreline, however, is a sight not to be missed, ever
ward?
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: I finally got around to archiving the database. All of 2002's postings can be found in the archives now.
However, while archiving I noticed an interesting quirk. For those of you using weird characters in your name, those characters are being replaced by random ASCII characters. Mu, and Blaise are the first that come to mind, however I know there are others. Because of this you may want to rethink the use of these extended characters? I don't really care. I mainly wanted to alert you to this fact. And no, I can't fix it...
So have any of you read up on these wacko Raelians? Interesting concept and a heck of a lot more plausible explanation than some bearded white dude in the sky. However, I'm a MAJOR skeptic of UFO's so to me it only makes for interesting science fiction.
http://www.rael.org/int/english/index.html
StAl
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: Clas, re: slow.......true! But still waiting for prices
to get lower before I purchase better. LMAO My Daddy was a dirt farmer with very
little
education, but he taught us all how to watch our money. *wink*
Jaz,
sorry I missed you bud! Talk soon?!
BWay-Steve, always nice to chat with you.
Good luck with your resolutions.
Wild Bill, Where you been Sugar? I was
teasing about the marriage/baby thing..
Dani, hope you feel better soon
Honey.
Bluz, sorry I missed you, was painting. Talk to ya soon.
Off to Court now....
Peace M
User: Howard | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message:
Very interesting info on the analog recordings, and
the 2nd arrangement story. Thanks to those who found and posted.
I'm surprised to hear that for the remake of 2nd Arr., they recorded all the way up to horns, background vocals etc. My informed guess up to now had been that they wouldn't have moved beyond basic rhythm tracks on the remake, unless it was sounding promising.
One other thing - even though most of the multitrack master was erased, that doesn't mean there aren't mixes of the original track floating around somewhere.
The analog recording info is interesting too, though I'm sure I've read Roger Nichols say that he has been recording 100% digital for many years, *with the exception of Steely Dan*. I think SD doing some of the initial recording to analog is nothing new, so when E. Scheiner talks about "doing it analog", maybe this is more about doing *more* of the basic recording to analog, before ProTools kicks in.
Howard
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 13
Message: I watched this Brit, Parkinson the other night, Celine Dion was guest. He says she's sold over 150 millions of albums.
Is that really true? That's a lot of albums in a relatively short career.
Where does Unkel Donny and Waltdog land, 50 millions?
Anyone knows where to check up those things?
User: C @ Work | Month: 0 | Day: 12
Message: Ż - no, seriously, I didn't know that. I have this Swedish friend saying that site is a schoolexample how to NOT build a site, it's to heavy and those with modems will lose patience and leave...
Molly - thanx darling dear, I really don't think you are pinheads, just a little... slow?
No, just kidding.
---
Bad Sneakers - thanks for the info, interesting stuff on the drumrecording. That sounds like a great idea. And "phase problems", I guess that is meaning that one or the other mic-setup is delayed?
User: Hey 48 | Month: 0 | Day: 12
Message: Hey thanks Jimbo!, my mad steely mate & me couldn`t figure where that song came from. Thanks again...... From Down Under..
User: Too Much Ain't Enough Love | Month: 0 | Day: 12
Message: You walked in my life with an Angel's smile
How could
I have known, The hunger locked inside
We can start a fire, but we can't
control the flame
Now I just can't wait to feel that heat again
And in the
middle of the night you cry...
Too much ain't enough love to satisfy me
I got a burnin heart
To much
ain't enough love to satisfy me
Just seems like yesterday I was runnin alone
I turned my back on love, but
baby I was wrong
Do I miss your touch, do I tell myself a lie
Can't get
enough when I'm lyin by your side
And in the middle of the night I cry...
Too much ain't enough love to satisfy me
Where there's smoke there's
fire
Too much ain't enough love to satisfy me
Shadows movin on the wall
Slowly we begin to fall
Lyin a pool of
sweat
Another night I can't forget
Too much ain't enough love to satisfy me
User: I | Month: 0 | Day: 12
Message: The News
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 12
Message: Hey 48- FM can be found on the original soundtrack of
the film or on
the following compilation cds:
A DECADE OF STEELY
DAN
CITIZEN STEELY DAN (Box Set)
GOLD
MAURICE GIBB DIES OF HEART FAILURE TODAY. HE WAS 53 YEARS OLD.
r.i.p.
User: Hey 48 | Month: 0 | Day: 12
Message: Hi!, can any Steely fans tell me what album is FM on, and is it true that there is another in the making??
User: Bad Sneakers | Month: 0 | Day: 12
Message: Hi all - just reading some of the posts re:the new one and the processes involved - Interesting stuff - probably wildly inaccurate but interesting none the less.
I am personally convinced that D&W carry out all their basic recording onto 2" analogue tape, flying things back and forward to protools where necessary for editing purposes. The guy who says the new one was recorded at 24bit 96KHz surprises me given the availability of 48bit 192KHz protools HD - I can honestly say that this is the first protools system we have owned that we would ever consider as a a straight replacement for analogue - It is THAT good and, given the tape saturation emulators out there from DUY etc, you can closely replicate the sound of analogue.
Cl@s - your room mic question (if indeed it is a serious question) has a straightforward answer - A lot of studios are used for the quality of their live sounding rooms (egs I have used Real World, Townhouse, Konk Abbey road - all have very different sounding rooms) If you want to capture some of that ambience for (mainly) drums / instruments / vocals, you use one or several "room mics" (stick up a neumann U87 or an AKG 414 as a start)positioned at various distances within the room from the source, then blend them back in with the sound of the close mic to get an overall sound. A lot of modern digital reverbs can emulate this and the best of the new stuff (Sony, TC, Lexicon etc) have software that will "learn" the characteristics of different rooms, allowing you to emulate the sounds created by recording within those rooms without having to shell out lots of money by the hour for the privilege.
Another one of my own favourite techniques for "fattening" drums sounds in protools is to feed a stereo mix of the entire kit to a seperate stereo channel and record it. You then use either the focusrite or bomb factory compressors to squash the hell out of the stereo mix and blend it with the room mic and the drums for a massive sound. Watch out for the phase problems inherent in multiple mic techniques with drums and protools system and you should be fine.
By the way if you get a great drummer, a decent kit and three mics you can do the same thing - Just listen to John Bonham on Physical Graffiti or Achilles last stand.
Peace to all - off to watch the third last episode of the Sopranos - its getting close, its getting close.
User: Mistress Of Mayhem .......... | Month: 0 | Day: 12
Message: Clas, Very nice! Didn't take long to download and my PC is junk. (chaep bits and bobs pieced together) The Art is great.
User: and it's a go... | Month: 0 | Day: 12
Message: "robdarling@mail.com
Senior Member
posted 01-12-2003 08:26 AM
---
That's interesting, because I saw a
very different workflow. On and off for much this past year my Protools system
(Mix, not HD) was used by SD at Skyline in New York. Everything was on 3348 with
pt being locked up and flown into for vocal editing, etc. When they worked at
Bearsville, 3348's went there and when they went to Presence, I want to say
someone came down and supervised a bunch of x-fers back and forth between 3348
and PT."
No analog as far as I could see. 3348, 16 bit, 48k, w/low-level, intermittent use of PT. I will say that the drums seemed to have an awful lot of punch for a straight digital recording. The 3348 could just be a slave for od's, and the stuff I saw will go back to being linked with the tracks he speaks of. I will say, though, that I certainly didn't see any 96k. Not even 24 bits."
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 12
Message: Hey Everybody! Hope y'all are keeping warm. It's colder
than a well digger's butt here today.
Dr Mu, thanks for information on song.
I love listening to someone I haven't ever heard. (or maybe discounted when
younger) My taste has changed considerably since I was 19. I think you're right
about "Here at the Western World" btw. Still Oleander's theory has merit.
Clas, I have a modem. I'm not a pinhead! I just prefer simpler things
(cheapest) LMAO... I'll give you my opinion after getting the bird and all my
critters seen to. Mmmmmmmmmwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!
BB, always nice to talk
with you babe.
Jaz, WTF are you? I made new friend. Sonny the towing guy
loves Steely Dan and the Moody Blues! I see him more than some of my family
these days.. lol Miss talking to ya bud.
User: btw | Month: 0 | Day: 12
Message: Mu that japanese tower record item, set for Feb 19th, is
now gone as well. Patience.
And re: 2ndA
If the fade out is all that was
left of the track, then we've never heard it, what's left of it, I mean. Just
how many arrangements are there anyway?
later
Ż
User: Ż - looking for Bobby but came across Dave | Month: 0 | Day: 12
Message: http://www.musicgearnetwork.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=004912#000000
"Dave Fisher
Member
posted 01-12-2003 06:36 AM
---
I came across an interview in this
month's Mix magazine with Elliot Scheiner. He mentions that the new Steely
record was recorded in analog and that Becker and Fagen actually thought it
sounded better. Roger, I gotta ask, how did it come to this? I've seen Becker
and Fagen go on record saying anyone who prefers analog over digital is
nuts--now this! Not to mention that you're certainly no proponent of analog.
What brought about SD's about face and what was your reaction to it? I assume you must have used some Pro Tools in the mixing, but reading what I just read, I can't be sure.
We are living in strange times indeed.
Best,
Dave"
Follows an exact copy of the edit of the interview, word for word as printed
here...
Ahh... the web we weave... too funny...
And people, stop using my
name in vain. I never posted this on the Blue one. Do as Dave did and post it
yourself. Get your own Greek letter or something.
P.S. Clas, it works ok. But you knew that.
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 0 | Day: 12
Message: Ż - so that's how it was, they came in for listening to the finnished song. Man, I wouldn't like to be in that guys clothes at that time.
Interesting stuff about the analog recordings.
What do they mean with "room mics" Is that kind of atmosphere microphones you have over the drumkits, or?
Maybe our Super Producer, mr Bad Sneakers, are able to answer that question.
¦ - I go for Oleanders take on "Here in the Western World". I was thrilled when I first read it;
"rap with your cane (slap on your left arm vein)"...silver key (needle)...that opens the red door (the vein)"
---
May I ask you guys, you who are using modems;
Is my Gallery to heavy, does it take too long time to download the stuff?
www.steelydangallary.se
I'd appreciate serious response.
(If such thing is possible from pinheads still using modems)
User: Sheraton Manhattan | Month: 0 | Day: 11
Message: Mr.Becker,
When do you suppose you might return the towels and ashtrays you took?
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 11
Message: Ż: The next Q is regarding the identity of the musicians on the original track. Before Roger reveals the actual truth, why not weigh in with a guess based on the non-Wendelized snippet and utter speculationi (especially on the horns and background which are not hear on the snippet):
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Piano: Don Grolnick
Electric
piano/synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Horns: Michael Brecker, Randy Brecker, Tom
Scott
Background vocals: Patti Austin, Leslie Miller, Valerie Simpson
and, of course, accordion: Walter Becker
User: Ż - covering your action and going you one more | Month: 0 | Day: 11
Message: Roger Nichols
Moderator
Member # 161
posted 01-10-2003 05:57 PM
------
OK after all you guys had your turn,
now it is my turn.
The correct story is that the maint. guy erased the song all the way up to the fade.
We completely finished the song. Horns, lead vocals, backgrounds, everything. We had nothing to do the next night so we decided just to go in and listen to the song and make sure it was really done. The studio was told that we would not be recording, just align for playback.
We used a separate reel for record tones, but there were playback tones on the reel because different songs were recorded in different studios.
The maint. dude did the playback alignment and without looking at the box, or reading the DO NOT RECORD-- DO NOT RECORD.. going past on the leader, he punched up all 24 tracks into record and started erasing. When he was done with the 1k tone and he punched out of record he heard the song come back in.
He came to me (I was already at the studio) and said he may have erased part of the song. We played it back. It was erased all the way up to the fade.
We tried cutting the song again (I have the 24 track of the re-try) and finished it. Horns, Backgrounds, lead vocal. We listened to it and Donald said "NAW... scrap it!"
It was never re done for any other album
The name of the song was "Second Arrangement"
Roger"
http://www.musicgearnetwork.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=004856#000025
Ż
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 11
Message:
HERE AT THE WESTERN WORLD (1976)
I see this almost like a futuristic ad for a peep show establishment...sort of like a combination of WestWorld and Blade Runner. Western World features look, but no touch female androids...
"Down at the Lido they welcome you
With sausage and beer
Klaus
and The Rooster have been there too"
The rival, more wholesome food and entertainment institution
"But
lately he spends his time here"
Who can resist. the Western World in the new, new thing...
"Hangin' with the Mayor and all his friends
And nobody cares"
The local celebs now frequent our establishment. They shouldn't be here, but
no reporter's telling - ahhh the old school...
"Where the sailor shuts
out the sunrise
Blacked out on the stairs"
The weary escape by drinking a blue liquor like uzo
"CHORUS:
Knock twice, rap with your cane
Feels nice, you're out of
the rain "
A speak-easy reference - secret admittance
"We got your skinny girl
Here at the Western World"
We've got the best and newest female android models - like Sean young in Blade Runner
"Ruthie will give you the silver key
To open the red door
Lay down
your Jackson and you will see
The sweetness you've been cryin' for"
A $20 (adjust for inflation since 1976) will get one a LOOK, but no
touchee.
A near future carnival - probably a window slides up like that
Madonna video
"In the night you hide from the madman
You're longing to be
But it
all comes out on the inside
Eventually"
Great lyrics. At first the Western World guest might be appalled at their own decadence...but then they get used to it
CHORUS
REPEAT "In the night you hide from the madman
You're longing to be
But it all comes out on the inside
Eventually"
CHORUS
User: Ż | Month: 0 | Day: 11
Message: More on the sessions from a recent interview with Elliot Scheiner in Mix:
"Like with Steely, we recorded room mics on the new album, and in the mix, I'm using a fair amount of them, which is different for us.
Where did you record that project?
Sear Sound in New York. All analog.
That's a change for you.
No, that's a change for [Steely Dan]. I always try to record analog. That's my primary choice. I talked them into it. It was funny the way that it worked. They did one song there [at Sear] that was for a tribute to Joni Mitchell. They have unbelievable mics there, and when you walk in the door, all of a sudden, it's 1974. It's wild. There are even beads on the entryway. So there's this vibe. And when we got into the studio, I looked at Walter [Becker] and said, ôCan we do this in analog?ö
You just kind of casually slipped that in, because you were in that vintage environment?
Yeah. And he said, ôThis is a tribute, let's do it.ö So we did it analog, and they were amazed; they'd forgotten how good analog sounds. Because of that, when we started the new record about two months later, they said, ôLet's do it analog.ö And we did. The basic tracks are all analog; all of the overdubs were done in a workstation.
How about mixing?
Analog and digital. Just last week we finished off a couple of mixes, and Walter said, ôMaybe it's time to A/B the analog and digital and see what we're going to use.ö So I set it up to A/B, almost perfectly, and the analog killed it. And we were using the 24-bit, 96kHz digital."
http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_elliot_scheiner/index.htm
Ż
User: Clas @ Work | Month: 0 | Day: 11
Message: Two and a half months left for the Jackson Browne concert.
User: Steveedan | Month: 0 | Day: 11
Message: Happy Birthday to Donald Fagen (well, yesterday,
anyway).
And to Jimmy Page on the 9th. May you both live to be 100. ...
I
hope that doesn't sound like a curse.
Steveedan
Pretzel Logic plays the famous Baked Potato in Hollywood, California on Sunday February 9th, 2003.
User: John Edwards - someone beeped in on Cloud 9 | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: t: ...there something about someone with round glasses who's passed over...name starts with a J...James? Jeff? John...he wanted to acknoledge to Paul that's George makes better albums dead than Paul alive...
Is there a Saint Alfredo in the house? No? I'm getting a message from a guy missing a finger. He's saying something about blue Kool-Aid...does that mean anything to you?
User: John Edwards - 20 Questions R Us | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: .something about someone with round glasses who's passed over...name starts with a J...James? Jeff? John...he wanted to acknoledge to Paul that's George makes better albums dead than Paul alive...
Is there a Saint Alfredo in the house? No? I'm getting a message from a guy missing a finger. He's saying something about blue Kool-Aid...does that mean anything to you?
User: t | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: No, but Paul's already claiming he wrote them all, and Purdie's claiming it's all him on the tracks...
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: tones: Is Yoko trying to sell the tapes yet?
Susan: Macs and chocolate - how can one go wrong?
User: 500 more reasons 2003 is better than 2002... | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: Raid recovers Beatles tapes
From correspondents in
London
January 11, 2003
POLICE appear to have recovered about 500 original Beatles tapes that were stolen in the 1970s, including some never-released tracks, during raids Friday on members of a piracy racket in England and the Netherlands.
British police said the tapes were "priceless". Dutch police, who found the tapes in the Netherlands, agreed, but said analysis of the material was ongoing.
"We're investigating whether they really are the originals, but it appears to be so,"prosecutor spokesman Robert Meulenbroek said in Amsterdam. "There are about 500 tapes, so there's quite a bit to research."
The tapes soon will be turned over to British authorities, he said.
Police arrested five people in raids in England and in Holland, following an investigation that began about a year ago. The suspects' names were not immediately released.
User: Beerberian_Avalon_Sunset | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: All; Well I've thought on this one ......AND and as Van would say mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm higher ground
I am of the humble opinion (Q: Can the truly humble really have an opinion?) AND as full of shit as I may be ........I do try NOT to preach my choice as THE only way ...... wouldn't it be great it was like this all the time ?
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: time: I think we should throw the flag at Yoko Ono! Which reminds me...Hank Williams was stone drunk 50 years ago when he wrote Cold Cold Heart. Now that's a standard!
...Of course the real standards can be argued to be really by the jazz masters pre-Beatles and the jazz/pop or the 30s and 40s (Stompin at the Savoy, Take the A-Train, The Nearness of You, etc...)
User: Randy | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message:
Steely-folk:
Fans of the blues might want to pick up the Fleetwood Mac 6-CD box set, 'The Complete Blue Horizon Sessions: 1967-1969.' For those not in the know, Fleetwood Mac began as a traditional blues band under the leadership of lead guitarist Peter Green, who had succeeded Eric Clapton in John Mayall's Bluesbreakers after Clapton left to form Cream in 1966; Green was more than able to fill Clapton's shoes in Mayall's band and soon went on to form Fleetwood Mac with drummer Mick Fleetwood, bassist John McVie, slide guitarist Jeremy Spencer, and (later) guitarist Danny Kirwan.
The early years of Fleetwood Mac stand as what may be the best representation of British blues (not to mention the best incarnation of the band, in the eyes of many, including yours truly); at only $36.00 for 6 discs, it's a steal, and worth every penny to have the great guitar work and vocals of the vastly underrated Peter Green-
"No static at all..." - Steely Dan, 'FM'
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: time zone guru | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: Sorry... as tzg I gotta throw a flag on ya ¦. How can you compare lyrics written 25 years apart and say one a better writer, especially when the latter was overwhelmingly influenced by the former and all the ground broke by it? That means even if they were written in the same room, Finn would have had to wait until John finished LSD (the song presumably...) before he could finish his...
Let's call it "illegal attempt to bend time frame-of-reference"... 5 yard penalty, loss of down...
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: Here is an example of the kind of thing that alienated Walt and Don from the "land of fruits and nuts" -- California (or click on the homepage link above)
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lax/sks/7703970.html
User: Yeah, but... | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: ....Falco?
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: StAl: Since when do sales in the US = genius? That means the Iggles set the standard...
Note that I said that "Together Alone has a collection of ***songs*** as good as any Beatles album" I stand by that statement. Note that I did not say that the ALBUM is as good as the Beatles, despite some interesting production. Together Alone is not as good an album as Rubber Soul. Why? Paige is on the right track:
(a) George Martin
George Martin >>> Mitchell Froom & Youth (Together Alone)
(b) critical mass and competition and collaboration (finishing songs like Norweigan Wood) between Lennon & McCartney
While the other albums have a collection of songs that are not consistent enough to stay with the Beatles Together Alone Does, with the exception of Skin Feeling (written by the drummer). There are many critics and folks in Austrialia, New Zealand, and England (where his albums are all in print and sold well) who would agree...
While I would give the slightest edge on lyrical melodies to the Beatles, Neil Finn writes better lyrics.
Example: Both John Lennon (Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds) and Neil Finn wrote songs inspired by their son's crayon drawing. In a sober state, there's no contest which song has better lyrics - Mr. Finn:
Pineapple Head
Written By N. Finn
Detective is flat, no longer is always flat out
got the number of the
getaway car
didn't get very far
as lucid as hell and these images
moving so fast like a fever
so close
to the bone
I don't feel too well
and if you choose to take that path
I will play you like a shark
and
I'll clutch at your heart
I'll come flying like a spark to inflame you
sleeping alone for pleasure
the pinapple head it spins and it spins
like a number I hold
don't remember if she was my friend
it was a long
time ago
and if you choose to take that path
I will play you like a shark
and
I'll clutch at your heart
I'll come flying like a spark to inflame you
sleeping alone for pleasure
the pineapple head it spins and it
spins
like a number I hold
don't remember if she was my friend
it was a
long time ago
And if you choose to take that path
would you come to make me pay
I
will play you like a shark
and I'll clutch at your heart
I'll come flying
like a spark to inflame you
User: Dano | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: Back to Friday night posting guys , hope you all have a Happy New Year.
Checking in for the UK Danfest , Beer , Bass , Dunc , Dano , Bad ,
Cyn (
If in Blighty at the time ), Howard , and all others to be reporting in asap.
Dunc , Why did we not meet in Bonnie Scotland ya tube!! Dunc , How is Fingers mate have you heard from him lately??
Currently balasting Aja as i write this shite , Drink Scotch Whisky all night long just kicked in........
Aff tae see Gangs Of Noo Yawk ...Hope i dont get scared??
Dano.
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: HAPPY 55TH BIRTHDAY, MR. FAGEN.
Hard to believe 55. Hoping for the best for you this year.
PEACE!
User: Paige | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: I didn't become a Beatles fan until long after they had split. I never liked the idea of "going along with the crowd." Maybe that's one reason why I'm a Steely Dan fan. However, once they were gone and I purchased the White Album along with Abby Road, I began to realize just how much impact they were (and still are) having on music. I mean can anyone argue against the fact that "Sgt. Pepper," at the very least, took rock 'n roll to another level? (I might add, as most people already know, that Sgt. Pepper was inspired by the Beach Boys "Pet Sounds"...Brian Wilson...the tortured genius). Sorry...there maybe a lot of great bands out there, great writers, great composers. But I don't think any will have the impact that the Beatles had. The time was right and music was right.
But let's not forget...as great as the Beatles were, they would have never achieved their greatness without George Martin.
My humble opinion.
-Paige
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: Mu: Dude, I watch you gush about Neil Finn/Crowded House/Finn Brothers on this here guestbook, all the while I'm rolling my eyes in the back of my head. Now, you come on here and say so album that's no longer in print is as good as any Beatles album.
Dude
What the FUCK are you smoking down there. Neil Finn is a talented songwriter but he's not even in the same league as Lennon/McCartney. I'll bet even he'd agree.
There are a lot of great songwriters out there. Some of whom on a purely technical level may compose songs which are as structurally sound as a Beatles song. However, The Beatles set the standard -- everyone else follows. And that's what Neil's been doing his whole career...
StAl
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: HaPpY BiRtHdAy DoNaLd FaGeN!!!
I'm sorry it's so cold outside, I bought this January 10th back
in
November and had to keep it in the freezer until today.
It should thaw
out around 12 O'clock...
Enjoy!
User: God | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: I don't believe in Clas.
User: Richard Baxter | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: COOOOL Website here..........All Best Wishes......From Drummer Richard Baxter
User: Jung | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: "There is a whole class of men who at the moment at reaction to a given situation at first draw back a little as if with an unvoiced 'No', and only after that are able to react; and there is another class who, in the same situation, come forward with an immediate reaction, apparently confident that their behavior is obviously right. The former class would therefore be characterized by a certain negative relation to the object, and the latter by a positive one ... the former class corresponds to the introverted and the second to the extraverted attitude."
But Clas is for sure not an introvert - and BB would not normally be classed as that much of an extravert so -
Are they both right ?
Are the Cure good after all ?? Did they ever Cure anything ??
How is a
band classified as "quintessentially English" ?? when half their members are not
even from England ??
Is Morrisey a fascist ??
Are any of the aforementioned bands really dreary / studentesque / relevant (apart from the Smiths) ???
I don't personally think so but then again I like Eminem and Steely Dan and would never read the Telegraph except to gain a better understanding of the enemy of democracy
User: Clas | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: Albert - I don't believe in God.
User: Beerberian Pedant of this parish | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: Coldplay and the English question ......
Chris Martin grew up in Devon, Will Champion in Southampton, Guy Berryman in Scotland and later Kent, Jonny Buckland in North Wales.
So at least two of these gents would not (I hazard a guess) be best pleased to be labelled thus .....
User: Albert Camus | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: The existentialist...thinks it very distressing that God does not exist, because all possibility of finding values in a heaven of ideas disappears along with Him; there can no longer be a priority of God, since there is no infinite and perfect consciousness to think it. Nowhere is it written that good exists, that we must be honest, that we must not lie; because the fact is that we are on a plane where there are only men. Dostoyevsky said, If God didn't exist, everything would be possible. That is the very starting point of existentialism. Indeed, everything is permissible if God does not exist, and as a result man is forlorn, because neither within him nor without does he find anything to cling to. --Jean Paul Sartre
Sounds just like Robert Smith, Coldplay and other dreary English student rock. However on a GB where Neil Finn is quoted as being equal to anything the Beatles have done and people profess/aspire to read the Telegraph - Anything is possible (with toungue in cheek I hope)
:-)
User: 'fa got the Beer or if the Beer got me... | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: Aja - the sun is coming back up here, it's getting brighter and brighter, we Scandinavians are getting dizzy.
And it's only 13 below zero today.
And I was thinking about that Finlandia guy who wanted to buy you a beer 4.30 in the morning, reminds me what I used to say when people asked which beer I considered the best:
-The one in the morning.
C
User: Steve Anglesey | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: Donald: Keep the jive alive at 55!
User: The President of Awkward Moments | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: "Throw away that fear of a green-stick fracture and join me in welcoming Norah Lee Jones to the party!"
You think you have taste when all you're tasting is blood. I won't argue with you, Ricki...
"I'm glad Donald is here and stuff but I don't want him to get bitter and start sabotaging terra firma just because he's 55 and not getting any younger. I would totally listen to Aja in a different way, then..."
PAM
User: The President of the Present Moment | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: Ahem,ahem,dot,dash,stop,press,ahem,ahem
Q:Whatcomesnext?
iF yOu guesseDotYou arecorrect...
thoughNotNecessarilyRiGht
A: Dot
Notice how I can go right thru here and get away with it I
think I
LOveyOU,
dot
Happy Birday, Def
--chortlesundifferbackstop&talkdon'tworryaboutwhatcomesnextitsallpre-ordained--
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 10
Message: ¦ - I guess Norah is great live.
Paige - I've had this same thing about this "jazz"-stuff. Way back a friend of mine came visiting when Fagens "The Nightfly" was spinning on the turntable. He said;
-Are you listening to jazz?
I never considered any of Becker/Fagens music as "jazz" or "rockn'roll with jazz influences". It is what it is.
User: ¦ - I can't drive 55 | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: a Happy B'day to Dr. Fagen...
User: Hmmmmmm... | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: Covers of "Do It Again" according to http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=10:21:15|PM&sql=H305924
Tori Amos
Terry Callier
Deodato
Falco (?!)
Garden Party
Herbie
Mann
Mark Murphy
Smash Mouth
Dave Valentin
Voo Doo Phunk
...Falco?
User: i really don't know anything, but...... | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message:
Paige-I am not sure about a jazz combo, but Tori
Amous did a cover of "Do It Again" a few years ago. It was on a "mini" cd called
Sparks.
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: Everyone- Whether you like Norah Jones or not, there is an interview with her in today's USA Today on the back of the Life section.
It's a cool interview.
Shame that Jane Monheit wasn't nominated for a grammy. Especially since she likes Steely Dan.
User: Paige Anderson | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: So, I had to replace my car battery about a week or so ago. Of course, whenever you disconnect the battery, all your radio programming gets dumped. What made matters worse, I had given away my only cassette copy of 2VN to my friend...the very cassette that I had been listening to non-stop whenever I drove.
What I was faced with was having to reprogram my radio to all of the "classic rock" stations that had entertained me between my daily fix of the Dan. I'm not real good at tech stuff...I mean, the clock on my VCR still flashes 12:00 regardless of what time it REALLY is...sort of in a mocking manner.
So I'm driving while trying to find a station to rid myself of the torturous white noise that my radio was spitting out. Between dodging cars and luckless pedestrians, I see a button that reads "band." Cool, I want to listen to a band.
I finally locate the scan button and immediately land on the Rush Limbaugh show of whacko conservatives with Southern accents. Before I became physically ill, I switched to Frequency Modulation and hit the scan button again.
What comes up is a "light" jazz station...or what can be called "easy listening" with a jazz touch. I think it is called "Magic 109"..."Smooth Jazz for Santa Barbara."
Now, I've always been a "Rock 'N Roll" kid. My only exposure to jazz was when I first heard Steely Dan. And even then, I didn't think I was listening to anything that came close to jazz. To my amazement (after a few days of listening), I started to enjoy what I was listening to. You get to hear a lot of covers with a "jazzy" touch and all.
It didn't take long when I began to ask myself if I had suddenly grown old...I had this terrible vision that I was turning into my father...shudder. I had to get back to my roots...back to Rock ?N Roll...but before I did, a song came on that sounded familiar.
It was a female jazz combo performing what appeared to be a rendition of "Do It Again." I pulled over. Can this be for real? I listened carefully. Sure enough, it was a cover of "Do It Again" and not a bad one at that. It was very close to the original with the tempo slightly slowed. There was some nice touches all the way through the song. I arrived at my apartment and sat in my car to listen to the rest of it in hopes of hearing who the singer(s) were.
The outro of the song was interesting. As the singer was existing the song (background singers repeating in tempo..."do it again") she starts to add a few things like, "get back jack, get back to Vegas." And, (I believe) "get back to the roulette wheel." The song faded out and I remember mumbling to myself "they get it." They actually understood the underlying meaning of the song. Okay...maybe it's no great feat, but "I" was impressed.
They never did state who the artist was. And in my long round-about way, I wonder if anyone out there knows who this artist is and what CD it appears on.
Just curious.
-Paige
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: Moll: Nails on Your Feet is from the Crowded House album Tegether Alone (1993). Alas, though it's the best CH or Neil Finn album, it's no longer in print in the states, but can be had through an Australian Music Co. you will not be disappointed.
http://www.chaosmusic.com/shop/product.asp?productID=512926
Together Alone has a collection of songs as good as any Beatles album, you'll swear Pineapple Head is an outtake from Rubber Soul. Together Alone adds native New Zealand Maori rhythms in a number of good songs. The only glitch is an engineering one - the high end is weak, but can be made up by turning up the treble (at least on my copy). Finn's Try Whistling This and Ch's Temple of Low Men are only just a notch below. The more pop oriented Woodface and One All are both excellent as well. The debut album by Crowded house was the most popular in the US, but is the weakest.
another Together Alone song:
Private Universe
Written By N. Finn
no time no place to talk about the weather
the promise of love is hard to
ignore
who said the chance wasn't getting any better
the labour of love is
ours to endure
the highest branch on the apple tree
it was my favourite place to be
I
could hear them breaking free
but they could not see me
I will run for shelter
endless summer lift the curse
it feels like
nothing matters
in our private universe
I have all I want is that simple enough
there's a whole lot more I'm
thinking of
every night about six o'clock
birds come back to the palm to
talk
they talk to me, birds to talk to me
if I go down on my knees
I will run for shelter
endless summer lift the curse
it feels like
nothing matters
in our private universe
it feels like nothing
matters
in our private universe
and it's a pleasure that I have known
and it's a treasure that I have
gained
and it's a pleasure that I have known
it's a tight squeeze but I won't let go
time is on the table and the
dinner's cold
I will run for shelter
endless summer lift the curse
it feels like
nothing matters
in our private universe
User: Paige | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: Yes...You are correct sir. Albert Camus wrote an Existentialist novel called "The Stranger" where a murder takes place...(I believe in Algiers). The main character is convicted on the basis of his "body language" and lack of emotion at his own mother's funeral. Proof again that if you commit a crime, you better put a good show on.
-Paige
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: St.Al, you know why I adore you! Yummy......lol
User: Altamira | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: That song "Killing an Arab"--isn't it based on an event in a book or an essay by Albert Camus? I seem to recall reading that when the song was released.
User: Mistress of Mayhem | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: Sneakers.... Hi Sugar!Thanks for reminding why I adore
men from Scotland..
Beautiful Viking-men with wit and intelligence. Sensitive
and romantic, but also tough.
Dr.Mu.. nice lyrics. I hadn't heard that
one.I'll have to give it a listen.
Duncan, good deal bud. Talk to ya
soon.
You could be my someone
You could be my sea
You know that
i'll protect you
From all of the obscene
I wonder what you're
doing
Imagine where you are
There's Oceans in between us
But that's not
very far....
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: I'm with you Moll. I'll take John Hiatt ANYDAY over The Cure. In fact, the Cure pretty much represent everything I dislike in English Pop/Rock. Morrissey, Oasis, Blur, The Cure, Verve, Coldplay (although the latest single isn't too bad)-- it's all the same...
Icky-poo.
The common thread with the above artists (plus many, many others) is I really loathe the sound of an "English" accent when I listen to vocals. It comes across to my ears as whining (Robert Smith is the King). Couple this interpretation with the often brooding and synthesized sound, or, as in the case of Blur, three cord crunch, well, it just doesn't appeal to me. Not discounting their talent (EXCEPT in the case of Morrissey). Just doesn't make me want to put my party feet on, or do the Beavis and Butthead head shake.
Speaking of head shake, in the liner notes of Audioslave's new one is the caption that reads "All sounds on this CD made by Guitar, Drums, Bass and Voice" or something to that effect. I laughed at loud when I read that.
MC: You're correct. Although the salesperson never tells you when you buy this stuff you'll spend half as much again on cabling the damn thing. And I'm not terribly excited about throwing out all those expensive Monster Cable RCA patch cords I already own.
StAl
User: Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Cure | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: "Killing An Arab"
Standing on the beach
With a gun in my hand
Staring at the
sea
Staring at the sand
Staring down the barrel
At the arab on the
ground
I can see his open mouth
But I hear no sound
I'm alive
I'm dead
I'm the stranger
Killing an arab
I can turn
And walk away
Or I can fire the gun
Staring at the
sky
Staring at the sun
Whichever I chose
It amounts to the
same
Absolutely nothing
I'm alive
I'm dead
I'm the stranger
Killing an arab
I feel the steel butt jump
Smooth in my hand
Staring at the
sea
Staring at the sand
Staring at myself
Reflected in the eyes
Of
the dead man on the beach
The dead man on the beach
I'm alive
I'm dead
I'm the stranger
Killing an arab
User: Aja............I want it to be perfect like before | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: It's official: lp and I are the same person. I'm P.J. Harvey, too. I'm also Linus, and a New-Age Quaker, and.......
Aja
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: hard to top Neil Finn on Leonard (Cohen)/McCartney angular romance:
Nails In My Feet
Written By N. Finn
my life is a house
you crawl through the window
slip across the floor
and into the reception room
you enter the place of endless persuasion
like
a knock on the door
when there's ten or more things to do
Who is that calling?
you my companion
run to the water on a burning
beach
and it brings me relief
pass through the walls
to find my intentions
circle round in a strange
hypnotic state
I look into space
there is no connection
a million
points of light
and a conversation I can't face
cast me off one day
to lose my inhibitions
sit like a lap dog on a
matron's knee
wear the nails on your feet
I woke up the house
stumbled in sideways
the lights went on and
everybody screamed surprise
the savage review
it left me gasping
but it
warms my heart to see that you can do it too
Total surrender
your touch is so tender
your skin is like water on a
burning beach
and it brings me relief
Clas: very good advice - she's so flighty, it's a real balancing act keeping her interest...in anything except what's in her mind - she has to want to do it.. But can can show concentration or obsession on something, and she has an inherent interest in music and singing. If I sing with her and flub a note - she's on my case immediately... Amanda DID enjoy the concert much. She was fascinated to hear how Norah would try to emulate the doubled up harmonies of "I've Got to See You Again" The acoustics or the theater and her strong voice that night almost made it sound as if there were more than one singer at the microphone...
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: ladies only: bink above or go here for your musical alter-ego
i was pj harvey, hmmm...
http://quizilla.com/users/lina/quizzes/Who's%20your%20musical%20alter%20ego?/
User: bad boy sneakers | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: The cure - "Killing an Arab" that was one of theirs - that should suit a few of the further than right elements who hang out here
What about "love cats" - no not "I love cats" - "Love cats" - Good lyric that one
here's one for the ladies
"Object"
"You know you turn me on
Eyes so wide and legs so long
But don't try to
talk to me
I won't listen to your lies
You're just an object in my eyes"
Nothing sexist about that then
or -
"Meathook"
"I went into the butchers
I said wanted wanted wanted
some...
Meat
Pass me some of that steak over there
It looks
so...
Sweet
I lost my heart to a meathook!"
I can see how intelligent people who love Steely Dan can get off on lyrics like that !?!
And so it goes on - album after album of utter CRAP
Don't tell me - I'm missing the point
Fuck the Cure - they were and remain BOLLOCKS
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: When your heart touches mine
and my thoughts
explode
When our wires get crossed
And the fire burns my
soul.......
Baby when you hold me tight
We can count heartbeats and
squeeze
Baby when you hold me tight
You can really make a man say,
please...
When the morning comes
And you're still here with me
And you give me
some
Of your sweet mystery
And it feels so right
And I want your love
Forever
Baby when you hold me tight...
Now that's SEXY!
You can have the Cure, I'll take John Hiatt
instead...
User: Aja...........did somebody say contracts? | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: Midnite-good luck with your contract negotiations. I'm a union rep for school employees, and the Guv'ner announces his budget cuts tomorrow.......bracing for the worst.....no wonder suggestive lyrics are such a nice diversion.
Aja
User: Aja.............STILL not working | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: Agree on The Cure having the best erotic lyrics about things like walking across the street and reading books. "A Night Like This" is the best song about longing and regret as well. Here's a great site for those who crave more:
http://www.thecure.com/lyrics.html
The very first time I touched your skin
I thought of a story and rushed to
reach the end
Too soon
YOWZA!
Aja
User: duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: First post on new laptop..gift
Moll/Ian got mail ok
today.
LP: kinky boots.. the avengers :)
User: C @ W | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: Midnite - ahhh, everything will be okay. Lena bought a new, well, it wasn't exactly new, but it's a black Mercedes Benz, -88 I think. So, she is changing tires so the stocks will rise.
And Pompe in the backseat, looking like Kissinger. Limousins and Magazines... p>---
¦ - she was? She liked the show I guess?
And hey, you are destroying her piano-creativity if you keep on talking about piano-lessons. If she listens to Norah Jones, she will take it from there. Be careful. Those things are so fragile.
Instead of piano-lessons, help her with some chords, from Norah Jones or what she likes. I think that's the best way to keep up the interest. If she can play along with songs she likes, with artists she likes, that will do the trick. Soon she'll be trying out her own stuff.
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: w1p - my point exactly, yes - does it get any more kinky than that?
User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 0 | Day: 9
Message: St.Al....S-Video seperates the luminance (brightness) and chrominance (color) into seperate signals and keeps the two seperated from the video source all the way back to the television. This supposedly makes for a clearer, cleaner picture. I've had my stuff hooked up both ways and I'd say it really is marginally better if you go with the S-Video hook up.....why not use them if you have them? Most any electronics store sells the cables if you need extras. It used to be a real bitch to even find an S-Video cable but now they're fairly common.
Duncan....great photo man! That was a beautiful sunset....all the best to D, D&L. : )
Clas....no Good Year to be had for Goodyear....just look at the stock prices
for the past couple of years and you'll get the picture....we're on "short time"
for the next 3 months and then our contract (between the union and Goodyear)
will expire on April 20th....then the REAL fun begins.....hang on boys and
girls, we're in for a bumpy ride.
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: lp, show me, show me, show me how YOU do that trick
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: just like heaven is one of the best rock love songs, hands down - maybe i'm an 80's geek, but i still love the cure and agree that if you see them live, it makes you appreciate them more
they could make asking someone to go for a simple walk be completely sexual - that's pretty good imo
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: IEEE1394
comes
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: St.Al: IEE1394/iLink/firewire > S-video > RCA
This just in: England's greatest online paper sez the War has been
postponed until the next Steely Dan tour or when Grant Hill's ankle heals,
whichever comves first...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/01/09/nirq09.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/01/09/ixport.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=74494
Milosovich is whining now "I didn't even have decent Chinese takeout much less weapons of mass destruction"
Today Minnesota was warmer than Florida...
Norah on PianoJazz in one week...I think that speaks for itself...
Colour of Spring > Skylarking > Disintegration
User: angel | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: Bill: Don't forget that Jon Herrington's guitar work was recorded on something like 8 tracks. That bodes well for a couple of guitar solo's. Not that I don't like Walter's work, because I do. A lot. Just pointing out that the new one may have a totally different sound then 2VN.
One day early, but since I have a tendency to disappear for a day or two, here goes. Happy Birthday Donald!
Back to vacationing....
User: tonez | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: St. Al - even the kids on South Park know that Disintegration rules...
Btw... from what I know about it, component video is better than S-video, but of course you need a compatible tv or receiver... what makes it better (other than the obvious breaking down of the video signal into red-blue-green) I'm not real sure, but there you go...
User: Aja.........................still not working | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: W1P-I can't believe I forgot "The Lovecats"! Which, IMHO, exemplifies the best of the 80's minimalist sound. One more you need to listen to, St. Al ;o)
Aja
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: Aja, I saw YOU looking like a Japanese baby . . .
User: Aja..............not working | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: Shaun-I don't hate Norah Jones, I just think she's overrated. But feel free to hate The Cure ;o)
St. Al-before you relegate them to icky-poo-land, first listen to "Primary" (way cool guitar, and also has that awesome line) "Push", "Never Enough", "The Walk", "Just Like Heaven", "The Baby Screams", "A Night Like This", and anything else W1P recommends! After that list, I feel like putting on a miniskirt, jean jacket, and bobbing my hair......
Aja
User: Shaun | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: Aja- Hey.....I hate the Cure as much as you hate Norah Jones.
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: St. Al -- I have always liked the Cure but then I went to see them live at the Rose Bowl of all places. After seeing that show I decided that I absolutely LOVE the Cure. The guitar playing is under produced on the CDs but live Porl Thompson takes front stage and rocks. In fact, his work on the Page/Plant tours is some of the best I've ever heard. Oh and "Fascination Street" is one of the hardest rocking and best dance songs ever recorded by anyone. Another great song "In Between Days"
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: The Cure? Icky-poo
Ok. Even a computer geek like me needs help with this stuff... I attempted to hook up the new receiver last night. You need a friggin' engineering degree to hook the bitch up.
So I have some questions for any of you gear heads. Why S Video over RCA? What's better -- S Video or Component Video? Get as technical as you want. I can handle it...usually...
StAl
User: Aja.............slow@work | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: I'd add The Cure into the pile of innovative 80's bands. They did a lot of experimental work while maintaining their unique style, and they even use a lead guitar (for all the purists). They also wrote one of the best lines I ever heard in college in one of their songs: "The very first time I touched your skin/ I thought of a story and rushed to reach the end too soon". Their 83-88 stuff still holds up well (compare with Madonna's from the same period!)
Aja
User: Central Scrutinizer | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: TFF are one of the very very few truly creative bands of the 80's.
Prediction: you won't hear much about Norah within 12-14 months.
Second prediction: New one out in March '03
User: El Supremo | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: Bill: ok, you sold me. I'm in. No, waitaminnit. No way, Jose! We oughtta learn you how to respect change in an artiste. You'se got to... ah, ok. yeah. count me in. united front. but I still hate you with every fiber of my being. this doesn't make me wishy washy does it?
A little laughter
A little prance
A little seltzer
Down my Steely
Pants
ps: nyquil should never be taken during the daytime. Or mixed with nutmeg.
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: The Japanese release date on musicmachine has been crossed out. Now TBA:
"TBA 2003
Cornelius - CM2 (TBA 2003)
-Finally coming in 2003, the
second volume of Cornelius remixes.á Sure to include his mixes of Sting,
Avalanches, Manic Street Preachers, and many more.á Maybe the remix compilation
winner will be on here too?
Duran Duran - new album (Fall 2002)
-reuniting
ALL 5 original members and reuniting with Producer Nile Rodgers
Duran Duran -
The Video Collection DVD (Sept 24) TBA
-no word yet if it has the "dirty"
version of Girls on Film yet... It's about time! :)
Steely Dan - new album
(Japan: WPCR-11441) Feb 19 (*note: slash through 2/19*)
Tears For Fears - new
album reuniting both guys supposedly..."
Clas: you can like whomever you want. BTW, re: kids. My 9 year old
daughter was the only person under 24 at the Norah Jones concert in Austin...
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: Jeez...,
Who decided that including rock elements into the newer Steely Dan
music
would be "regressive"? Since when is rock regressive? Who the heck
made up
this stupid rule? Rock, in the right hands, is NOT regressive.
Some would
argue that digging up the licks of old jazz musicians is
regressive. This
ain't the 1950's y'know...
And so you knuckleheads, if we are ever going to get these two guys
to
produce anything of exceptional quality again we're going to have
to present
a unified front to them, and that means that we're all
going to have to agree
that I'm right. I point to my qualifications
below...
* Last emmissary of Atlantis
* Roswell crash survivor
* Part time god
of creation
* Steely Dan archeologist
Sure there's more, but you get the point...
User: Phyllis Diller | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: Please stop the abuse of the hallowed word "martini"...
A martini is 3 parts gin with a suggestion of vermouth and an olive or two, that's it!
If you use lime or lemon instead of an olive, it's a gimlet, which is what I personally drink.
Carry on...Oh Fang, come here!
User: Moll............still waking up | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: Hey Gang! Chocolate martini's eewww A good waste of
vodka..
Gina, hmn.....a matter of one's personal taste I suppose.lol lol I'd
still rather hear your sultry voice, Zannie's or Rickie's anytime over Ms.
Jones. Glad you came out of lurkdom. Missed seeing your posts. I love Cassandra
Wilson's "Belly of the Sun" Give her a listen if you haven't.
BB, well said.
It's all good! Steely is Steely...Does this mean the UK
Danfest is off? Deck
says I can stay forever if I want. So maybe I'm good for a few days before I
drive him mad... *wink* Keep me informed Sugarman.
Duncan, I forgot... you'll
hear from me. Thanks for e-mailing. Kisses to the little man, and say hello to
Mrs.Duncan for me.
Off to court now.....yuck ! M
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: lol - i meant jazz - woops, typing skills...
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: best jaxx releases of 2002 here or bink above:
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0302/giddins.php
comments, concerns?
User: Gina | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: Okay, lurkdom doesn't offer the ....... of posting a
yellow message even though my head now is in a blur because of some hasty sips
of port yesterday and i kinda got used to just lurking, like t but t needs to
tickle our eyes with his poetry in harmless poison lol. sometimes one just has
to add a few words.
Norah Jones, like Aja i wasn't all that gaga when i
first heard her, but her Don't Know Why is truly sweet and the other songs are
okay. Like Beverly Craven once, not all the tracks on the CD are as good or
catchy as the one that appeals to a wider audience. And indeed given the light
she might get the young ones to take it from there and get interested in "older"
music, okay i'd say :-)
If one checks the URL above, it's a link to a regional band Mo' Jones here in
the Netherlands, two brothers who are currently in the midst of attention. One
loves Bob Dylan and the other's into jazz-r&b-soul etc. so that should make
a fine blend of all kinds ... There are samples available, should you be curious
what they sound like. I have to do an interview with them tomorrow and what's
very nice about this Mo' Jones is they handle their own recording-distribution
etc because they don't want the record companies to tell them what they can and
cannot do. they're no young ones, mid thirty-ish and i always love it when
people follow their heart, no matter what age etc etc.
This as in "more"
Jones, eh ...?
Last but certainly not least, all time fav Rickie Lee Jones.
I got some of
her live cd's for christmas and it's amazing how she can turn her own songs into
new ones, really love that. She's also working on a new CD, so if we're lucky,
the oldtimers we are, we may be expecting new releases from Steely Dan and RLJ
this year. somehow there's no such thing as loyalty i guess :-)
okay, off again, and here's some more music, another link, just a single
guitar and a voice and a very very thrilling video version of Bill Wither's
Ain't No Sunshine ...
www.sofuja.com
Gino Taihutti is from Moluccan
origine, a former dutch colony and close to Indonesia ... with his band Sofuja
he plays in Andalusia, Spain.
I'm so anti the so called throbbing heart of
this country like Amsterdam, Hilversum etc. because there's plenty of talent
elsewhere in this country but it's business all the same, money and who knows
who etc etc.
toodles, G.
User: slow train comin' | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: "Saturday, February 22nd - Steely Dan
Steely Dan
guitarist Walter Becker and singer/pianist Donald Fagen grew up listening to
Bill Evans, Charles Mingus, Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington and Charlie Parker
-- and all of these influences can be heard in their unique style. Since the
late '60s, the duo has been honing their integration of jazz and rock,
continuing to move ahead in their musical explorations. Fagen and Becker join up
with McPartland to play the Steely Dan hits, "Josie" and "Chain Lightening," as
well as Ellington's "Mood Indigo" and the WC Handy tune made famous by Louis
Armstrong, "Hesitation Blues.""
http://www.wbfo.buffalo.edu/programming/pjazz.php3
User: Beerberian | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: Dunc; Read the small print the 19th has been scored thru
and note under neath reads "updated: release delayed indefinitely :("
User: driver 8 | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: zzzzzzzzzzznnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnzzzzzzzz... umph... uh... ahem...
Jeff "Skunk" Baxter reportedly featured on the new Yarbirds album:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=495&ncid=762&e=7&u=/ap/20030107/ap_en_mu/yardbirds
zzzznnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnzzzz...
User: hmmm | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: say's here feb 19th release in Japan
http://www.newmusicmachine.com/
User: Duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: i hate shopping full stop !!!!
User: Beerberian - aiming true | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: Bill; Can't we just "shop" in a department store then we'll all be satisfied ...personally I'll see you @ the CBAT counter tho' LOL
I have the same prob with Declan McManus, aka EC, I much prefer early stuff to the last offering, altho Grammy nominated, and talking of that list..... SO GLAD to see 1000 Kisses given a nod ... LOVE that ladies songwriting .......
User: The President of Forward-Thinking Visionaries | Month: 0 | Day: 8
Message: I happen to think most of the guitar work on Two Against Nature is phoned in. Mere filler from a Becker who seems to be in competition with himself for lead guitar duties. Let's hope they farm out more of the "inspiration" on the next record and don't leave Herrington to fight Walter's demons all alone...
...we've got DF's canines for that...
...And speaking of eye-teeth, I'll now leave you all to your own individual forms of macular degeneration. Diversity, after all, is the answer to the same old shit.
TPFTV
User: suedave | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Beerberian -ya, Eminem probably sampled off some good stuff lol
It would be very funny if Bruce wins the grammy over Eminem. It would hopefully give him a new outlet for his frustrations - "seasoned" musicians.
I think the Norah Jones cd is decent. Her singing voice is so light and minimal, I like the way it floats through the music yet is soulful. I'm glad to hear a different style works for her live. And that she's had success with the format and style sends a good signal to the britneys of the world, and more importantly the record execs, that there is another way to go.
I listen to a lot of types of music, and certainly go through phases. Before 2vn came out, I listened to mostly rock. After 2Vn came out, I had a hard time listening to other music at all. When I finally did, it was almost only jazz. It was a powerful cd, an influencer. Each SD record is different. The next one will be too. Hope it is a heavy blues record.
User: Clas | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: ¦ - the difference is, back then and now, I like(d) Steely Dan. And they didn't pretend to be something they weren't. Rockn'roll man, it was rockn'roll. Look at those sunglasses, and those Turkish cigarettes.
Norah Jones I see through. And I am not impressed. You can go on forever, but nothing can change that.
But I guess she's a good alternative for kids, maybe she can turn them into some good music.
User: Sir Rael | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: you think, aeah?
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Randy: Bingo. It is the interesting complexity of the recording and interaction between instruments on 2vN that I dig. Speaking of which I dug this out of the few posts (bored one night - I wrote a review for amazon.com) I kept around:
"If you like some jazz in your pop or pop in your jazz, this is the best stuff in...well, two decades. This especially holds true if one is a bop or cool jazz fan. There's Kind of Blue all over this album. The tracks were recorded by a core of live musicians, so TvN has more of a live feel than their masterpiece Aja. The integration and communication between instruments is absolutely amazing for a studio album - a seamless conversation. If the first 7 Dan albums were beautiful 2 dimensional and lyrical chess, the Two Against Nature has a special 3-dimensional quality. While LA jazz permeates Royal Scam, Aja, and to some extent Gaucho, Two Against Nature goes straight to the 50s source (over a funk backdrop) - the heros of Fagen and Becker. The album can be snappy (Janie Runaway) or just plain gorgeous (Almost Gothic). Those songs along with Negative Girl and West of Hollywood are among Dan's finest moments. I can honestly say I rank this one close to Aja and Katy Lied. Well deserving of the Grammy accolades. However, if you are a rock fan expecting to hear a screaming Elliot Randall solo, forget it. This is not your father's Steely Dan."
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: lp: You've hit the nail on the head. Her intimate, small venue concert tour was superb. As her band shared almost equally on song contributions to the Come Away with Me album, her evervescent praise of the band was worthy and a breath of fresh air in artists who do indeed think "they are all that." That's IMO the source of much of the word of mouth growth in her popularity With the exception of the hired hands on guitar on the album, the performances by the band and Jones were superior to those on the album, which are darn good. Norah's voice had less whisperiness and lots of ring, filling the theater with resonance. She and the band altered the arrangement on may songs. Norah often semi-improvised many of the intros on the piano that slowly dissolved into the familiarity of each song. She also played a Willie Nelson standard, some new compositions they were trying out, and some road tunes with R&B flavor that did not make the album (which I knew from a CD someone burned for me).
The original songs on the album are strong and fit in quite well with the standards. The Painter, Shoot the Moon, Nightingale, One Flight Down, etc. all have lyrical and interesting melodies. in short it's not just the voice or the piano or the compositions or the musicanship or the production or engineering alone - they are ALL good, and the interaction resulted in a stellar recording... and small venue performances...
User: t | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: ¦ - Do those chocolate Martini's qualify as healthy?
How about 2 or 3?
User: Aja..............not working | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Just caught up on some reading-so the Norah Jones naysayers are coming out of the closet now-where were you guys a couple of months back when I was getting slammed for saying the exact same thing in the middle of the GB Norah Jones drool-fest? LOL! I will confess to "Don't Know Why" growing on me, but really, I don't think she's quite the talent her pr has built her up to be. Her rendition of "More Than This" is truly painful-never try to outcroon Bryan Ferry.
Randy-aMEN! Truly progressive artists will always alienate those "fans" who get attached to one particular style and want to hear it over and over again. I'm looking forward to The Next One having its own distinct sound and feel, rather than a repeat of what's already been done (even if it was great).
Dark chocolate rules supreme (especially if it's Belgian!).
Hutch-interesting comments!
Aja
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Well the predicted replay of the 2000 Grammys has come to pass with Bruce standing in for Walt/Don. It's already started on the Springsteen Newsgroup -- the Eminem invaders are launching exploratory expeditions. It will be interesting to watch -- while The Dan certainly have a very significant internet presence and fan base, The Boss' is exponentially greater and just as passionate. Buckle your seatbelts.
User: Randy | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message:
Steely-folk:
In response to Bill's recent statements concerning the disappointment he experienced with 'Two Against Nature' (posts #4213/4250/4258), I decided to repost the following info, which is taken from various posts I wrote in September and October of last year on Hoops McCann's "Blue Book"; another poster there had criticized Steely Dan's 2000 release specifically in regards to the drum parts and the guitar efforts of Walter Becker; One must keep in mind that I have always been partial to the band's later material ('75-'00), and that I feel the duo continues to make the most engaging, sophisticated, and intelligent music ever recorded in rock's varied history.
I do understand the argument that they could have "hit a little harder" with 'Two Against Nature'; I have often made the observation that "Jack of Speed" was far more threatening when played in concert on the '96 tour (with Becker singing), only to come off as cautionary on the studio release; regardless, it stands as a classic in the Steely Dan catalog, and the album still works as a natural progression from 'Aja' and 'Gaucho.'
"Older fans" who are expecting the early guitar driven efforts such as
"Reeling In The Years" are ignoring the artistic development of Becker and
Fagen, for the one thing they have always done is progress; to continue making
similar recordings with little growth is the province of lesser artists or
underdeveloped hacks. I wouldn't mind having somewhat more bristling tracks like
"Everything You Did" or "Don't Take Me Alive," but the fact remains that 'Two
Against Nature' (and hopefully its follow-up) is worthy of praise; I certainly
wouldn't want to trade Dave Shank's vibes solo on "Negative Girl" or Michael
Leonhart's Milesian trumpet solo on "Almost Gothic" either. (Keep in mind too
that the idea here is just to throw this stuff out there; make of it what you
will.) To wit:
(From 10/29/02 - 20:56:35) Steely Dan's Walter Becker and
Donald Fagen have indicated in numerous interviews that the various albums in
the band's lexicon have different instrumental accentuation (which is obvious
from even a cursory listening); 'Katy Lied' (1975) has emphasis on the
(Bosendorfer) piano; 'The Royal Scam' (1976) has more emphatic use of drums and
guitar; 'Gaucho' (1980) relies more on synthesizers and drum machines. Each
album differs from the last, which is not to suggest that each chronological
stylistic change was "planned" per se; it was simply a change (or an
advancement, dependent upon the context) from the last collection of sounds and
songs. None of these changes should be seen as a loss or a down-step, as the
most important element of an artist or musician is to grow, change, and/or
evolve. Repetition is death; thus it is better to try something new and fail
than repeat oneself.
On 'Two Against Nature' (2000), after having already explored these previous variations, Becker and Fagen chose not to place as much emphasis on the drum parts as they had on 'The Royal Scam' or 'Aja' (1977); I for one find that the strident drum accompaniment for the coda to "West of Hollywood" to be an interesting idea; it places all attention on the solo, the soloist, and the song's chord progression, challenging the listener's expectation(s). Becker's "one note" guitar solo on "Gaslighting Abbie" was also well-planned for the same reason - that particular multi-layered track has so much going on, it was good not to detract from it with what could have been an unnecessarily ostentatious guitar solo; it simply didn't need anything else.
Becker's solo on the title track of 'Two Against Nature' is a marvel of twisting runs and finely executed notes, again exactly what the song called for, and as well played and conceived as any by Carlton, Randall, Baxter, Parks, or Becker previously. Unlike most other artists in this day and age, Steely Dan have accomplished the rarity of maintaining the level of artistic integrity begun with their previous works, putting themselves in the enviable position of being able to continue their legacy of great music.
(From 9/17/02 - 20:36:56) The rate of growth seen over the career(s) of Walter Becker and Donald Fagen is truly impressive; to think that they were able to actually expand upon the sophistication, harmonic complexity and inherent skill of tracks found on 'Katy Lied' (1975), to later do what was found on 'Aja' (1977), 'Gaucho' (1980), and 'Two Against Nature' (2000) is proof that said composers (and all the musicians found on any respective album) were certainly some of the most talented people in the history of popular music - or, to put it another way, "you won't believe what the boys are blowin'..."
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
User: Duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: With Parkers band as 10 & my rival as 1
based on
the average of 7 tracks.
I'm expecting nothing less than 3- 9's, 1- 7, 2-6's
& another gaslighting abbie.
:)
User: tones - runnin' scared... | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Aj - me smart? No no no no no... I can barely work this keyboard. But thanks for the kind words though...
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: W1P, Slash is a damn good guitarist. IMO Gun's and Roses
sucked, but not due to anything that Slash contributed. I happened to catch him
in concert a few years ago, and He ripped it up. One thing that impressed me as
well, he didn't act as if he were about to deliver a baby while performing.
Slash played 1/64th notes faster than lightning while making it seem effortless.
No small feat.
Clas, guess i'm getting old too. I like Norah Jones okay, but
she ain't all that. Compared to many other female Jazz vocalists out now she
seems a bit mediocre to me. I'd much rather listen to Gina or Zan
anyday.
I've been listening to Puddle of Mud today. The song "Blurry". WOW
what lyrics.
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
I'm sure the
folks over at KJOY will appreciate the easy listening
sounds of Steely Dan
from now on. Lord knows they won't be playin'
it on any rock stations...
...Good morning starshine, the earth says hello...and now for the
easy listening sounds of Steely Dan...
User: El Supremo | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Bill: at the moment the woman sez: "Now just a minute!" I couldn't help but think about the good ol' days when people said things like: "Why you, I oughtta..." and "...I tell ya!" as in: "It's a frame-up, I tell ya!" Ahh, Bill. How old are you, friend?
lp: "Do you have to participate in a drive-by shooting to be a rapper?"
Uhh, no. You have to cry like a 4-year old girl whimpering "it wadn't me! i
did'n do nuthin' man! It's all an act, man" as you're led away in handcuffs.
Yeah, real tough, those rappers. And, in closing: As Triumph the Insult Dog told
Eminem at the Awards: "Hey, my mother was a bitch, too, but i didn't write songs
about her. Ahhh, I kid, I kid."
User: Aja...............is it Friday yet? | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Smartest person on this GB: tones, hands down! Please lurk less and post more, sweetie! ;o)
Aja
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: hey, bink on the url for your mp3 of the day...
User: t | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: lp - was that one of your fabulous tests? Kinda short, but ok:
Seasoned? yes
Jilted and broke? yes
Hitched to a cousin? no, but you have to own a pick-up truck
Drive-by suspect? um... well, it does wonders for the "street cred", but no. Big points if your bass distorted (c)rap is blaring from the getaway car though...
User: tones | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Bill - Weak analogy bud. Steely Dan has yet to make 2 similar albums, or to use your analogy, they make more than one style and color of "blouse." "Traditional" fans, and I consider myself one, should know by now not to expect a rehash of whatever they've done before, because one thing "traditional" fans *can* count on is not having their intelligence insulted.
But back to your analogy, if that woman keeps walking into that store looking for a blouse, when that store hasn't sold blouses she likes for twenty-five years, she should get a clue... maybe walk on down to the England Dan & John Ford Coley Store where things never change...
Got some lurking to do...
t
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: The Grammys. Biggest and most pleasant surprise for me is the nomination of "How You Remind Me" by Nickelback for record of the year. Here's a band that is pretty new on the scene, pretty "alt" + "melodic rock" and I love the song. Of course I'm a massive Springsteen fan and while I don't think The Rising is his best album I didn't think Two Against Nature was Steely Dan's. Peter Gabriel (The Barry Williams Show) goes up against the Boss in Best Male Rock Vocal Performance. Best Hard Rock Performance is an intertesting category this year: All My Life -- Foo Fighters, I Stand Alone -- Godsmack (the Alice in Chains tribute band LOL; Youth Of The Nation P.O.D. (look what Stryper hath wrought); No One Knows -- Queens Of The Stone Age (Dave Grohl goes against himself); Aerials -- System Of A Down (maybe its me, but I just don't get this band). Best Rock Instrumental features Tony Levin against Slash, The Flaming Lips and Gov't Mule.
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Noticed that Coldplay, Peter Gabriel, Foo Fighters, Elvis Costello, and Jill Scott received nominations
Buried in the nominations are the following of interest:
45. Contemporary Jazz Album: ``Deep Into It,'' Larry Carlton; ``Speaking of Now,'' Pat Metheny Group; ``Uberjam,'' The John Scofield Band; ``Mint Jam,'' Yellowjackets; ``Faces & Places,'' Joe Zawinul.
46. Jazz Vocal Album: ``For Ella,'' Patti Austin; ``Ask a Woman Who Knows,'' Natalie Cole; ``Etta Jones Sings Lady Day,'' Etta Jones; ``Live in Paris,'' Diana Krall; ``Brazilian Duos,'' Luciana Souza.
47. Jazz Instrumental Solo: ``Naima,'' Michael Brecker; ``Chelsea Bridge,'' Pete Christlieb; ``Sunset & The Mockingbird,'' Tommy Flanagan; ``My Ship,'' Herbie Hancock; ``Proof,'' Pat Metheny.
48. Jazz Instrumental Album, Individual or Group: ``Triangulo,'' Michel Camilo; ``The Infinite,'' Dave Douglas; ``Directions in Music,'' Herbie Hancock, Michael Brecker and Roy Hargrove; ``Footprints Live!'' Wayne Shorter; ``Plays John Coltrane - Live at the Village Vanguard,'' McCoy Tyner.
49. Large Jazz Ensemble Album: ``Jazz Matinee,'' Slide Hampton and SWR Big Band; ``What Goes Around,'' Dave Holland Big Band; ``Tonight at Noon ... Three or Four Shades of Love,'' Mingus Big Band; ``This Is the Moment,'' Sammy Nestico; ``Can I Persuade You?'' The Vanguard Jazz Orchestra
50. Latin Jazz Album: ``Alma De Santiago,'' Jane Bunnett; ``The Gathering,''
Caribbean Jazz Project; ``Samba Jazz Fantasia,'' Duduka Da Fonseca,'' ``S.F.
Bay,'' John Santos and The Machete Ensemble; ``Sentir,'' Omar Sosa.
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Here's an anology which might help explain how some of
the traditional
Steely Dan fans feel about the direction of the newer
stuff...
A lady walks into her favorite clothing store to buy a blouse.
She's
shopped at that store for years and knows that this particular
store has the
very finest clothing. She searches out a salesperson
and asks if they have
any new blouses that she might purchase.
"Blouses?", the salesman asks, "I'm sorry ma'am, this is a hardware store"
"A HARDWARE STORE?", the woman asks incredulously, "I've been
shopping
here for years, this isn't a hardware store it's a clothing store!"
"I'm sorry maam', the owners of the store have had a change of heart,
and
have decided to convert the store to a hardware store instead of
a clothing
store."
"Now just a minute!", the woman says, "the sign outside says that this
is
a CLOTHING STORE!"
"That's correct ma'am", the salesperson says, "the owners have decided
to
keep the original name but to change the mechandise to hardware...
may
I interest you in a circular saw?"
"I can't believe it!", the woman says, and storms out of the store
in
disgust.
Question...,
Is the woman wrong for being upset?
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: my take on norah jones' popularity and why i like her too:
i liked the smoky but not rattled quality of her voice
but i really started to be a fan when i went to see her in concert in a small intimiate venue - it was so nice to see a young person be very respectful to her band, to act humble even, and thus not be a diva
perhaps there is an audience of people that are burnt out on the diva attraction where it's all about me and who gives a f^$& about the band
the misty quality of her songs are also a nice break from the "belting out but can't hit the note so i'll play with it" quality of other "diva" singers
her choice in pieces also helps the cross-over market
seeing her live pulls it together as to her possible staying power in the industry - it's also nice to see a classically trained pianist doing "popular/jazz/nightlub/ballad" tunes, you can really tell the difference
is she a sarah vaughn, well, no - but i'm not convinced she's trying to be
but clas raises a good point - do you need to be seasoned to play nightclub jazz? do you have to be left by a lover and/or lose all your money in vegas to play the blues? do you have to marry your cousin to play country music? do you have to participate in a drive-by shooting to be a rapper?
hhhmmmmm.....
User: ¦ - be glad if you can use what you borrow | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Clas - you're just growing old
To make a point at 24:
Steely Dan had already made Can't Buy a Thrill and Countdown to Ecstacy
Miles Davis had already recorded Birth of the Cool...and he was the son of a rich physician
Charlie Parker and Dizzie Gillespe already had made numerous recordings by that time...
Not that her First One is nearly as good as above...but she has developed her own unique style. She's got fabulous rhythm on the piano Floyd Kramer style with more soul and jazz inflections that merges perfectly with her voice cadence...great with fills and spaces...
But it is retro fresh, unlike say Elton John who was retro commerical when he came out...and then developed quickly into something much more than a copycat of American blues, for a while...and unlike Reggie, she's humble...
Turn Me On: great songs and fits in well with the super originals One Flight Down and Nightingale and The Painter in that part of the album...
You've fallen into your own trap yet again, demanding that artsists have been there, done that...and assuming that you KNOW them with no information or research whatsoever - the height of arrogance...
She's played just as many jazz clubs as Billie Holliday in NYC before she made it big...her dad left her as soon as she was born - so painful, she refuses to talk about Ravi Shankar...what do you KNOW about her?
As for taking chances, no other label besides Blue Note would dare take a chance in the Britney era of releaseing something like this from a new artist.
She's still IMO an apprentice, but if she's broken the Britney, Christina, Pink gridlock she's done the entertainment world a great service...and it is significant to note that the album has had a very slow rise up the charts. that's a sure sign of people liking what they've heard and speading it by word of mouth...
The engineers of the Academy will probably vote for her album Grammy time, but I'm afraid Bruce (old guys again) will win...in large part because he and Prince lost to Lionel Richie in Feb. 1985 for 1984 recordings and didn't win for Tunnel of Love, The River, or Born to Run or was even nominated for his best album: The Wild, the Innocent, and the E Street Shuffle
User: RudeWaitress | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Well..fine..I bring you your damn drinks on the beach...it just better be a beach where its freakin' warm.
I'd be somewhere warm right now...if you bums from the Roadkill Cafe would leave better tips...but nooooo...its people like bluz that just want crackers, but doesn't order the soup (which is 'possum today). And you people wonder why I drink your drinks...sheese!
I'll say it for ya...ya moron
Cyn...have another drink..
btw..Another Moron to mention..5 grammys for Eminem??..
User: Yo! | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Clas- I really couldn't care less what Norah Jones is singing about. She has a cool voice that's rather sexy to me. Don't be to sure she hasn't lived a lot for her age. Do you know who her dad is?
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Hank, Best Wishes! It's nice to see people who can find
happiness with one another.
Dr Mu, I'm going to trade in the snickers bar
for more healthful choices. But I'm drawing the line at that nasty tofu
stuff.*wink* I am pretty active... still running and lifting weights about 2
times a week. I can lift 50 pounds over my body weight (whoo hoo I'm so
pleased!) It's taken me awhile to meet that particular goal.
BB, if the Deck
will let me stay with him, I'll show up for Dan-fest. Can he tag along? I'd love
to meet my buds from the UK!
Suedave, yeah...Maybe God knew the little girl
was going to face enough challenges in life due to her Mom's careless lifestyle
and ignorance, and he bestowed more gifts upon her because he knew she'd need
them ?
LcPaul, where are you babe?
Peace M
User: bassicinstinct | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message:
BB: Count me in, subject to any prior DanCollective committments of course!!
DanCollective
Golden Fleece, Mansfield Road, Nottingham.
8.30 p.m.Saturday 25 January 2003.
Admission free.
Any good to you??
User: sh | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message:
tones darling - if we can get that Rude Waitress to
bring us dark chocolate and some red grapes with our drinks, and we take a walk
on the beach, do ya think it would be considered relatively healthy? lol
¦ - thanks for helping me justify my dark chocolate consumption!
angel - whew! so glad you weren't on that train
been listening to some Sinatra lately (i know, i know - "i'm just growin' old"), but the first 20 seconds of the original studio recording of "Summer Wind" sounds very Dan-esque to me - check out the horn arrangement
hi to all...
sh
User: Howard | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message:
Re: Fagen/Bernhardt video - this is well worth a
look, especially if you enjoy the muso-theory side of things.
Although there are some nice jokes amongst the "banter", I have to say Fagen comes across as somewhat awkward. Not that this is a big surprise, and this didn't affect my enjoyment of the video at all...
A few highlights for me:
* describing the Josie intro as "a kind of twisted Gregorian thing..." (or
words to that effect)
* the CBS orchestra "here's Jack!" moment from Fagen
near the end of the video. Superb!
* Bernhardt's jumper
Howard
User: C @ W | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: ¦ - the problem I have with Norah Jones is that a wet-eyed 24 year old girl cannot fool me with "I have seen it all, I have done it all, I am a fading beauty in a fading night-club"-kind of stuff she's doing.
And for "taking it to the roots and starting out fresh", I don't think so. It's Bing Crosby to me. Cosy Middle of the Road. Very safe. She's taking no chances.
Comparing her to Steely Dan is just ridiculous.
But it's interesting to note that this Loudermilk-guy we discussed a while back is a composer to one of the songs.
User: Beerberian | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Dunc; ticked as present .... interesting mail(s) on way to you ....
User: Duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: You can put me down for anything fest wise.
Pleased
to find out i'm only 2.5hours from Glasgow in the ''beast'' so im up for that
too.
Congrats Hank... Honeymoon ?
BB: i'm here & you can count me in.
db
Sorting through 250 Christmas & new year pics !!! When will i learn.
MC: I've taken the best ever pic of Loch Ness it's heading your way.
User: Beerberian - aiming true | Month: 0 | Day: 7
Message: Sue; The "catchy bits" of Eminem's record ......would be the bits he's nicked off other artistes then ? lol ....
Grammys for Diana K, Coldplay ,Foo Fighters , Peter G please .....
USA Kasey Chambers on tour Feb 2003 roots music angelic voice http://www.emimusic.com.au/artists/kaseychambers/index.asp
User: suedave | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Fresh out from the shadows, the fingers are getting more used to typing...thanks Hoopsie, so far so good...
I've got to agree with Dr. ¦ about the lasting value of Steely Dan music, as compared to the fleeting misery of the Eminem record. The Eminem record had big hype going for it because of its rawness. Eminem is definitely talented at painting his picture, getting his message out. I think parts of the Marshall Mathers LP CD are even catchy. Unfortunately for him, he writes what he knows, which makes me feel a bit sorry for him, not give him a Grammy. That the Grammy went to SD for 2VN of course was the right choice, I'm glad the grammy voters agreed with me ;)
Also have to agree with ¦ on the dark chocolate, just because.
Moll, talk about irony...
Oleander: Thanks for the great info on Concepts for Jazz. Based on the layers they showed us in the Aja DVD, I think I can relate to what u say. I've got to run and get that video.
'nuff for now
Susan
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: How ironic all this talk about Grammys. Later this morning, the grammy nominations will be announced. Since it may be a year before our boys get a chance to conquer again, here's what I hope for:
None for Eminem (Though it may happen)
5or 6 for Norah Jones
John
Mayer: 5 or 6
Jane Monheit:1
Diana Krall: 1 or 2
Cassandra Wilson: 2
Ashanti and Kelly Clarkson may get some nominations, but thatnks to the overhype and the fact that they, too are packaged and destine to have their 15 minutes of fame, they should not deserve any awards.
Now, personally, I don't think the left wing hates Steely Dan. I think
it's the politically dumb who don't get it. We, regardless of party,
should
consider ourselves Politically Confused. Why, both sides seem to be alienating
our individual needs to live in a safe land and to be of sound body, mind, and
spirit.
Expect some sarcasm about our boys throughout this and next month.
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: StAl: Only for perhaps 5 years. In a 100 years, they'll be studying Dan at Berklee, and no one will have heard of Marshall Mathers...
Which reminds me why the current ultra left entertainment media *hates* Steely Dan:
(1) The Dan practice
(2) The Dan offer professional recordings
(3) The
critics know they're outsmarted and their self-esteem is crumbling down
(4)
The Dan are cooler than Hugh Hefner, even with the bunnies, the mansion, the
grotto
(5) It's hard work for the media pretending to know something about
jazz
(6) The Dan know and respect their elders
(7) The Dan ARE their
elders
(8) No fart jokes
(9) Their last one doesn't sound like Coldplay
doing the Verve doing Collective Soul doing U2 doing Pink Floyd ;-)
(10) They
can't believe what the boys are blowin'
User: angel (Here come those Santa Ana winds again) | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: W1P: You beat me to the Hilburn quote. Of course, this is the man who worships the ground Bruce Springsteen walks on, so Steely Dan is not high on his hit parade. Pat, not even Robert Hilburn believes 2VN was the greatest blunder, I believe he credits that to the Backstreet Boys nomination, a few years ago. Eminem, didn't deserve it 2 years ago. Just my opinion.
W1P (again): Glad you got to hear The Damned do "Green Flower Street". It was one of my favorite "deep cuts", when I saw them a year ago last August.
I am on vacation this week and I am very thankful of that fact. While sitting
at the movie theatre with my family today, my cell phone kept ringing with
people calling to make sure I was ok. Ends up that one of the commuter trains I
travel on, ended up in a major wreck this morning. Glad I missed it.
User: ¦ - come over to the dark side | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Moll: If Snickers had dark chocolate instead of milk chocolate and that stuff in the middle, it would be a health food. I'm not kidding. Almost anything dark: chocolate, vegetables (broccoli), fruit (red & purple grapes, blueberries, blackberries, etc.), extra virgin olive oil are chock full of antioxidants. It works best, if like our ancestors, you hike over a hill and carry them in a basket back, instead of driving the auto...
User: Hutch | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Great news Hank. Congrats!
I wouldn't be surprised at all to see more guest guitarists on the next one. In one interview after 2vN came out they talked about why they used Walter so much on the lead solos... simply because when it came time to lay down the track Walter was always there and they couldn't bring in someone else on short notice. I think they've re-thought that approach. Pure speculation really on my part. Oh yeah... it sure would be nice to hear WB playing bass on a song or two.
Reading a book called "The Power of Now". Basically Zen philosophy explained in a Westernized form. The idea that the present moment is the only true consciousness. That the mind's constant internal dialog obsessing over the past and worrying and hoping about the future traps us into ignoring the wonder of the Present. After all that's where we really live. Creativity is one of the things that emerges in this state of enlightenment.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Hutch
User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Hank.....congratulations man!!! that's so cool....I am
truly happy for you both!
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Thanks Mu, I feel inordinately better....lol lol. We just won't talk about my habit of eating a snickers bar for supper a few times a week...( I get busy and forget to eat) Actually know a very famous Heart Surgeon who did the same...is lean and fit looking but has horrible eating habits! You heard about any folks down your way raising Boer goats? I can't believe what those things sell for in these parts..
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Actually its "Storm Thorgerson" -- the long time creator of Pink Floyd's album art work in addition to the films they show on "Mr. Screen" during their sets and a couple of videos to boot. A few years back, Storm put out a book on the best Rock album artwork and we played his book release party (that's the one where Alan Parsons told the sound guy that our rendition of Time "sounded as good as the original" Anyway, I've seen the artwork on my copy of the Audioslave CD which I love.
User: YGK | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: St. Al: Storm Thurgeson sounds like a Dan Aykroyd character from one of his *ahem* great movies like Spies Like Us. And there is a Storm Field who's a weatherman 'round these parts. He's the son of Frank.
ygk
User: StAl | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Fall Tour in smaller venues? Rumors, rumors, rumors...
Hard to get excited about these things until it's official.
You know, I've said this before, even though I disagree with Bill he's not terribly incorrect in saying the newer stuff is alienating old fans. But I'm sure Aja turned off more than a few fans, as did Gaucho. As Hank says...so it goes...
I venture to say as time goes by the fact that 2AN beat out The Marshall Mathers Story is going to rank up there with Jethro Tull's win over Metallica as one of the Grammy's greatest blunders.
Before you kill the messenger I don't personally believe this. I just think this will be a general consensus from an historical perspective.
BTW -- Congratulations Hank!
So I'm hooking up the XM radio to my old NAD Amp and it's become apparent that it's time to retire the old beast. They just didn't make amp's with enough inputs back in '86. So I go buy a new Denon AV receiver -- figure it's time to check out DTS, surround sound, etc. However, I get it home and start hooking things up and all of a sudden my DVD player craps out! DAMN! Means I might just have to look into DVD-A now... Nothing like spending a grand on audio equipment right after Christmas...
W1P: Picked up Audioslave's new one (which is very good by the way). Artwork looked strangely familiar. Looking at the artist credit I noticed it was done by Storm Thurgeson (sp?). Check it out...
StAl
User: Aja...............back@work | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Hey tonesy-you bet! The Santa Anas blew in this morning, and we have 60 mph winds in the mountains. Spent all yesterday out in the sun absorbing vitamin D (wearing spf 30 sunscreen, as always) while biking up and down the coast. Can we just skip straight to spring and keep the weather like this? ;o)
Thanks Doc Mu-I'm glad I didn't know the exact temp while I was there!
Funny event on the trip: I couldn't sleep one night so I wandered down to the all night cafe. A Finnish man heard my American accent and started chatting me up, then invited me to have a beer with him-at 5:45 a.m. Is this standard in Scandinavia? LOL! I had to turn the offer down; I never start drinking until at least 7:30 a.m.
Aus-man, I haven't forgotten about the nasty-nasty, just been very busy!
Aja
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Here's what Robert Hilburn has to say with respect to the upcoming Grammy Nominations:
If you're looking for a Grammy guide to the most distinguished album each year, don't automatically count on the album-of-the-year balloting. Lots of adventurous choices are being nominated for best album these days, from Beck and Radiohead to OutKast and Eminem, but few of them actually win.
Among the painful reminders in recent years:
Beck's "Odelay" and Radiohead's "OK Computer" beaten in 1997 by Celine Dion's "Falling Into You." Eminem's "The Marshall Mathers LP" and Radiohead's "Kid A" losing in 2001 to Steely Dan's "Two Against Nature."
* * *
Look at what the time has done, Steely Dan's not "adventurous"
User: Hank Silvers | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Happy new year to all...just checking in after an eventful holiday season in which I got married. So it goes.
Seeing the posts about SD now vs SD then reminded me of the story in the Sunday NY Times about Joni Mitchell's "Travelogue." (URL above) The author thinks Joni's gone the wrong way into lite-jazz land, and he seems to think the best Joni is done now by an impressionist named John Kelly. Quote: "As a longtime admirer of Ms. Mitchell...I must confess that my first reaction to this new set was one of horror. One must make allowances for an artist's right to evolve...but I still think this set is pretty terrible."
Referring to post #4212, it's interesting that it appears DF is still considered a "modern rocker".
Ole, how's the sound on your Fagen/Bernhardt video? On mine, I have to keep playing with the sound because Fagen's voice seems to be miked much lower than the music. That said, one of my favorite segments is another of the before-and-after, where DF plays the simple blues, and then changes it into the "wholesome harmonic mindbath" known as Chain Lightning.
User: t | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: lp - yo there! If you like the latest Coldplay I heartily recommend their 1st one... I think it's pretty amazing, especially for a debut...
Aja - you thawed out yet?
snakie... snakie? Where are ya hon? Let's go to the beach! Maybe the Rude Waitress will pack our drinks to go if we tip her for a change...
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Moll: You're in luck! Sunshine and eggs are good for you (again).
The UVs from sun are essential for Vitamin D activation which promotes calcium absorption (I'd highly recommend calcium supplements for most) in the gut and good bone & immune health.. Limit an hour or so a day (without sunscreen) depending on complexion and time of year and day and latitude, etc (mad dogs and Englishman ya know)...enough to get a very slight tan without burning, but wear sunglasses made of glass (natural UV blocker) or that are polarizied or UV blocking....if you're out longer during the spring and summer or snow skiing - slop on the sunscreen...
Also, the lutein in eggs is an important nutrient for eyesight, cancer reduction, etc. While eggs have cholesterol in the yolk, cholesterol from the diet makes up a very small fraction (10%) of the total cholesterol released into the blood. Most cholesterol is packaged into HDLs (good chol) and LDLs ("bad" chol) by the liver and released. Overeating (whether high or low carbo diet), lack of exercise, and high saturated fat and/or trans-fatty acids (from partially hydrogenated fats in crackers, cookies) - those are the things that result in high LDLs and triglycerides and low HDLs leading to risk for heart disease, hypertension, Alzheimer's etc.
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Hello Everyone! I hope you're having a great day. One of
my New Year's resolution is to pray more and attempt to worry less. Also to have
more fun in my life this year.
BB, I'm sorry to hear about your Grandmother.
No matter how long we are blessed with our loved ones on this Earth, it's
painful to give them up. I'll keep you and your family in my thoughts and
prayers. *hugs and kisses*
Bad Sneakers, I'll bet you could tell us some
great stories about your experiences.
Clas, I'm having troubles with my
PC.... I believe the damn thing is possessed. I'll try to contact you again, but
in case I cannot...Happy Whatever!
Dr Mu, umm thanks Sugarman... Having 4
brothers that hunt, I almost always have deer and various other game in the
freezer.Moreover, I've been entertaining the thought of raising some chickens..
What's a few more creatures running about the place? lol lol Mu, sometimes I
long for the time when sunshine and eggs were thought to be good for a person. I
eat mostly vegetables because that is what I prefer. I let the kids eat pretty
much whatever they want as long as it's nurishing foods. I was very careful of
my intake of proteins while I carried my little man. (making sure he got the all
the necessary elements to be healthy) I had to take vitamin and iron shots
because I couldn't tolerate them orally. Still, life is funny... I knew a young
woman pregnant at the same time I was. She drank, smoked pot and dieted in order
to maintain her figure. Her little girl was playing the piano at 3, and is a
very bright, healthy child. My son has autism,central nervous dysfunction and
several other related disabilities..Go figure? Nowadays, My son is recovering
from the massive amounts of sugar he ingested while visiting his Grandmothers
during the Holidays. lol lol
Well i'm off to blow bubbles on unsuspecting
pedestrians....
Love and peace M
User: lp | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: hey all -
happy new year
just scrolled down and got caught up
norah jones was one of the best things to happen last year, yes
any coldplay fans in here? just got their new one from tower dot commie
was snowed in out at syracuse and rochester and then snowed out of maine, so i was delayed in my vacation return - i felt like a twilight zone episode of the family trying to get home but having to stop at people's houses to spend the night where they are thrilled we are there and we are completely not - pretty funny stuff - [did anyone watch the twilight zone marathon over new years? it's a tradition now with us]
but my driveway was plowed when i pulled in by an unknown source, lol - so who do i pay? lol!!!
new year's resolutions, anyone? - well, uh, i'll wait until lent - 40 days is alot less than 365!
User: Beerberian | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Bad S; HNY Danfest sounds good BUT not sure how many UK GBers we have at this mo' ....... mebbe need to take a register ?? Dano , Dunc , Fingers , Bassinstinct, Penno ....... if present say aye !! (och aye then Dano)
User: toe-nz | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Bill - sounds like you're all set up for disappointment. 20 years from now you'll be wishing they'd finish those 2vsN outtakes.
Ole! - What? Wow! Thanks!!
¦ - an overabundance of alligators is one thing, but too many Nugents has *got* to be an environmental hazard...
t
User: bad sneakers | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Happy new year all
Imagine the black sense of humour these guys who work in studios have - just arrived back at work to find 2 unfinished mixing projects for the end of the week - one death metal and the other a dance remix of a - you got it - death metal band !!!
The joys of the music industry - 400 watts of death at 10 AM after 3 weeks of mega chill out - I got to get some new employees - they are all away on holiday !!!
A special hi to all UK GBers - fancy a danfest for the new CD launch ???? I am going to be in Blighty a bit more this year after 196 shows abroad last year !!!
User: Beerberian doin his 9 - 5 | Month: 0 | Day: 6
Message: Post Holiday blues anyone ? ....... tree & decs all gone The rooms look big and empty now
Moll; Lots a Family stuff kicking off Aged Grandmother is not well (100 yrs old tho' The female genes is this family run long :) )
bluz; I'll take a detention for my absence mate, WILL be around next time
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 5
Message: Hey Bill: they've *always* played fake jazz or fake fake jazz - it was just easier to hear Miles and Dolphy on the Last One...
Ole: My eyebrow was raised, but hear's the kicker: "Concepts For
Jazz/Rock Piano" is now available in ***Japanese subtitles***. $39.95.
VD-DON-JV01"
As Mr. Shorter said some 25 years ago regarding a weird, twisting
composition: "That's way gone. That's MISTER Gone!"
and Clas - Ironically I noticed your compositions have the shards of
tapioca (not that there's anything wrong with that!)
Norah really just brings back the blues, jazz, and Patsy Cline-type country all the way to the roots of rock, and starts all over...kinda like Steely Dan did in 1972 where they said f*ck the 60s, except for Dylan. What if Dick Clark hadn't started American Bandstand and lip-syncing and f*cked the whole thing up???
Norha's style is unique: intimate - it's wide open spaces and the Long, Slow Distance......................dissolving to the Blue Pacific song - reminds me...Carlton's (only?) great performance of the 90s...
FlaDavid: wish I had been there!
Moll: hope you diversify on the vegans - watch out for the dreaded phytoestrogens from soy, pesticides, detergent, they're freakin everywhere...early menses, cancer...if done right, a semi-vegan way is a healthy way for a grown adult to live...
Not that anyone would die from a modest amount of ranch-fed lean meat - essential for brain development...there's a lawsuit about some vegans who killed their child with their diet....but, it's harder to find "ranch fed" meats where the fatty acids (fat part) are good rather than bad...with that in mind deer meat, even from the gonzo Nugent farm, is not bad at all...alligator's pretty good too - consistancy of lobster and does not taste like chicken...Florida is crawling now with an overabundance of both...
User: oleander....................ain't nobody dope as he | Month: 0 | Day: 5
Message: HEY!!
What is up with you people? Why didn't you TELL me what a delight the Homespun video of Mr. Fagen and Warren Bernhardt from '93 is?
Hah??
I've had the thing for months, but finally sat down to watch it Friday night. I was enthralled--first of all, to have the fly's-eye view of his hands on the piano: in concert, I have never seen what he is doing up there. To be able to watch him play at leisure was delightful. Second, to hear "Chain Lightning," "Peg," "Josie," "On The Dunes," and "Teahouse On The Tracks" with no singing and just two keyboards was fresh and mesmerizing. And then of course there was the badinage between the two. As a confirmed non-musician, the scales didn't exactly fall from my eyes, but I got an inkling of just how intricate, subtle and original some of the mechanics of the music are from their chat. The references were flying--Delta blues, bebop, modal, jazz ballad, gospel, diatonic scales, Ray Charles, Bobby Blue Bland, Jack Paar.... "Self-reflexive modulation..." "Floating Ravel special...." "The extramusical feeling of blues...." Watching him go through the changes in "On The Dunes" [delicious, since I LOVE this tune] was dizzying, and I couldn't keep up, a feeling I don't get from listening to Kama. Warren Bernhardt said at one point, "It's moving even faster in some of that," and seconds later, sounding a little incredulous, he said, "Seems like every two beats it's moving somewhere else." Mr. Fagen does nothing to dispel the atmosphere of complexity--when discussing "Teahouse, " he dryly comments, "To thwart the listener's expectations... we have a deceptive cadence." He starts with what the expected changes would be, and then does the Dan torque on them right in front of you. In "Peg," for example, he starts with the blues changes and then says, "That's fine, but it's a little boring" and tweaks on into what we know and love. I had no idea. "Josie" was great to listen to that way, morphing from the expected, and I loved his offhanded explanation of the intro: "We'll put a little Gregorian sort of swampy sort of introduction" in.... All punctuated by a couple of infinitesimal, fleeting lifts of the right corner of his mouth into what you might convince yourself is a smile. Priceless. There were so many things that gave me a breathtaking glimpse into what it must be like to be able to do that. I liked this: "After you know the kind of chords that you like the sound of and you're used to playing certain structures, a lot of things are really intuitive and have to do with the way your hands feel on the keyboard. When you're writing a song, if you're a piano player, a lot of it has to do with feel. It's a matter of physical memory in a way."
And, of course, he closes with, "Hopefully we'll be back again sometime to go into some more surprises for you." Yeah. Sounds a lot like "See you next year!"
If you haven't seen this, you gotta. You can buy it from Homespun Videos at http://www.homespuntapes.com/prodpg/prodpg.asp?prodID=436&prodType=
Actually, there is one other person dope as he, but I doubt that person will grace an instructional video. Though can you imagine the fun if they both did one? "Downer Surrealism In Three Easy Lessons."
User: Bill | Month: 0 | Day: 5
Message: Tones,
Maybe you're right.
Maybe it's time for me to move on from Steely Dan.
Steely Dan meant
something to me at one time in my life but the newly
reinvented
version just doesn't sit well with me. They've messed with the
formula to the point that it doesn't even sound like Steely Dan
to me
anymore. It's too soft for my liking and too easy listening
for me. I'm 90
percent sure that the next cd is going to be the
final straw for me, that is
assuming that they stay on this lite jazz
trip they're on.
I'm not only speaking for myself but for alot of SD fans out there
who've
had it up to here with the easy listening stuff.
Write a song with some balls
for a change! Put "You Got The Bear"
on the next cd and DON'T FUCK WITH IT!
Don't run it through your
lite jazz machine and have it come out the other
side impotent
goddamnit! Quit watering everything down. Write a song that
rocks
and leave it the fuck alone.
Follow this advice and you'll be Steely Dan again, go on the way
you're
going and you'll soon be Kenny G.
User: tones | Month: 0 | Day: 5
Message: Happy New one everyYear!
Just found on page 12 of Guitar Legends (Guitar World special collector's issue) in an article called "Jimi's Jams - a Host of Modern Rockers Pick their All-time Favorite Hendrix Songs":
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Steely Dan's Donald Fagen - "Red House" from Are You Experienced?
"There's a certain kind of internal freedom that Hendrix had to enable him to take a basic blues like this and do something totally original with it. That freedom is related to the kind of irony he approached his material with. Jimi had a pretty good sense of humor - he was a very skilled put-on artist. There are not many musicians you can compare him to. In jazz, the closest comparison would be Eric Dolphy, who also had that tremendous sense of freedom. He said, "I don't care what other guys used to play in this context - I feel like playing this!" And like Dolphy, Hendrix had the technique to pull it off."
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Sounds like Donald *is* experienced... I'd never thought about how Jimi's sense of humor might have been important to his virtuosity and his willingness to just let it fly and see what happens. And I could draw a loose comparison to the Dan and their sense of humor keeping their "perfectionism" in balance and giving them a willingness to try new things, even if some of their fans are stuck in 1977 (Hi Bill... :-), but I won't...
Night by Night Bird Flying
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User: Duncan | Month: 0 | Day: 5
Message: YO....back from the frozen north whats
happening...?
any gossip on the new one ?
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 5
Message: Hey GBers. Take advantage of the airlines new fare war and fly to LA to see Which One's Pink? Some folks might even be out here for NAMM (can you say "Floridavid") We've cooked up some new surprises for our first show of 2003 at 9:00 p.m. sharp on Saturday, January 18 at the wonderful Canyon Club in Agoura. The Canyon has a very nice restaurant and reservations ensure the best elevated seats in the place. So come early, get some dinner and then hold on to your head to keep it from being blown away by the sonic assault of Which One's Pink? The Canyon is located at 28912 Roadside Drive, Agoura California. Check out their website http://www.canyonclub.net/
User: Floridavid | Month: 0 | Day: 5
Message: ¦- I saw the Breckers about a year prior to that Pic at Paul's Mall in Boston. The Band was Don Grolnick, Steve Kahn, Chris Parker (drums), Will Lee and of course Randy and Michael...they did their hit "Sneakin' up Behind You". they were great. Nice memory...thanks.
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 5
Message: Aja: refrigerator-freezer temp! pretty famous: ¦F = 9/5 (¦C) + 32 = -4¦F
StevEDan: I found a pic featuring some reknowned musicians from Don
Grolnick's first bandleader gig about 1980 @ the Brecker Bros. club '7th Avenue
South." In the pic are Bob Berg, Peter Erskine, Don Grolnick, John Tropea, and
Will Lee. e-me if you want the jpeg!
User: C | Month: 0 | Day: 5
Message: Now I remember:
Did anyone buy the latest Yellow Jackets, the live dubbel, "Green Mint" or something?
There's a great song, "Tortoise and the Hare", so cool.
After I listened to that one down at the C-house, my wife pics up an old vinyl, Crosby Stills and Nash, the one from 1977, they're sitting on a boat on the cover.
And guess who's playing bass on some of the songs?
Hasslip.
Speaking of being on the opposite side of the Bell Curve.
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Is Roy Scam out here? I have a book for you, "Noonday Demons", 700 pages, a guy named Andrew Solomon writes about depression, suicide, pills and other uplifting stuff, I read it during the holidays.
Made me feel pretty normal.
User: Santa Claus | Month: 0 | Day: 5
Message: There was something I had in mind... but I forgot, oh yes;
Happy Goodyear, Midnite Cruiser!
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Molly; don't know what it is. I know I couldn't get thru to .aol a while back, AOL had banned the Swedish Telia or something.
StAl - do you know anything about this stuff?
User: W1P | Month: 0 | Day: 4
Message: From the category "sorry angel" -- I'm sitting here in LA with Miz Ducky chatting about last night's Damned show (she's up here for Keneally) and we decided to call up the GB for grins. And there's angel's post about regretting missing the show if Green Flower Street got played. The Damned indeed played Green Flower Street last night even though it was not on the set list because Bob asked me if I had any special requests (angel, I wouldn't have done it if I had seen your post first).
User: Aja...................back in the sunny Southland | Month: 0 | Day: 4
Message: Hey everyone!
Thought I'd drop in and say hi, see if there's any news on a release (no) and see what the usual suspects have been up to (the usual). I spent a week in Estonia and Finland after Christmas visiting family. Beautiful places, but DAMN COLD (-20 C, can't remember the Fahrenheit conversion, but I know Doc Mu does ;o) The sun rises around 9:00 am and sets around 3:00 pm. After a week of that, I returned to a San Diego heat wave-it's around 76 F right now and I'm going for a run on the beach-YAHOOOOOOOOOO! I have a new appreciation of life out here (not like it wasn't great in the first place). I almost kissed the ground when I set foot back on American soil. Just hope our President doesn't do anything stupid......
Hope everyone had a great New Year!
Aja
User: ONE | Month: 0 | Day: 4
Message: Molly..I know johns version of one..you do know ! and
his b-days is next
to 2 cats...
Bill.. hahahaah
the word is any day now 88' back to the world..on the web
bluz
User: El Supremo | Month: 0 | Day: 4
Message: Hi everybody! I hope everyone got what was comin to em, and that everyone had a great New Year.
Here's what's been spinnin in my stereo (for those who are interested)
(besides Katy Lied & Aja)
1. The Gourds (kick ass bluegrass band from Tejas)
2. Medeski Martin &
Wood (jazz funk trio)
3. Neil Young (After the Gold Rush)
4. Frank Zappa
(You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 2: The Helsinki Concert)
5. Las
Ketchup (right, and now I'm fucking defenestrating myself...watch out below!)
I love all you Danners! Tour already! Oh yeah, release, then tour already!
ps: Michael McDonald is performing at Gulfstream Race Track today for a free concert between races. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Seems that a team-up with the Dan on an upcoming tour would definitely turn things around for the poor guy. Don, Walt, waddayasay? C'mon throw the poor guy a bone & while you're at it, you may want to call Skunk, Denny, Chucky, and some other shining stars from days of yore.
Peace
User: Moll | Month: 0 | Day: 4
Message: Clas, No games babe. I've tried to e-mail you several
times and can't get through. Is it the addy listed plus dot net or com? It's
probably me Sugarman. I was gonna send you a Christmas card...Hope you had a
good Holiday. I'm glad you're back with us Clas. I missed you.
Dr.Mu, Johnny
Cash is the real deal Some of his later stuff sounds a bit like Bob Dylan's
writing to me.....I think that's why his songs are so good. What do ya think
about Jimmie Dale Gilmore and Townes Van Zant?
Wild Bill, I still wanna have
that baby... *wink*
User: Clas | Month: 0 | Day: 4
Message: Brrrr.... it's fucking Minnesota outside. Fargo.
Jimbo - ah, of course not, no Britney Spears, she's just on the other side of the bell curve, acting "wise" and "sensitive". She's a fucking joke, if you ask me.
Molly - I emailed myself with the email I have at the Steely Knives. Are we playing little games with little moi?
Cyn - are you in England now, sugarhill? You're getting closer.
User: Jimbo | Month: 0 | Day: 4
Message: CLAS- Norah is by now, 24. Her CD came out early last year. Hey, at least she's no trying to prostitute herself like Britney or Christina.
And she does throw down vocally and plays the piano. You might want to catch her at a recent performance at the VH1 Big in 2002 awards depending on well it will air again. From the interviews I've read, she is very ambivalent about stardom and says she prefers to listen to classics: rock, jazz, pre-80's country rather that listen to today's dreck.
I think after a couple more times of listening to the CD, you might
grow
on it. Her next CD might convince you she's a talent to watch for if
the first one didn't.
I gotta go.
As Arnold says, "I'LL BE BAAAK." ;)
User: Clas | Month: 0 | Day: 4
Message: Norah Jones? Got that album as a christmas present. Jesus, that's music for cozy middle-class nights at the fireplace. No dangerous stuff, no sharp edges. And that Norah, pretending she's having the life experience of a 60 year old niteclub-singer, nothing she can't possibly have. How old is she?
21?
User: | Month: 0 | Day: 4
Message: Jimbo, someone posted about that McPartland article about six weeks ago. Still good to read again.
Rumor going around that the next tour will be fall and smaller indoor venues. We'll see if that's true or malarky
User: ¦ | Month: 0 | Day: 4
Message: Moll: I love Ring of Fire. Both Johnny Cash and later Wall of Voodoo do haunting versions...Cash is better than plastic though...
Jimbo: Great Find! I'm going to start tuning in now that I can find it streamed on the 'net. Naturally, our local NPR affiliate doesn't broadcast Pi