Sign In Stranger Archives -- December 2002

User: Floridavid | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: Happy New Year to all the GB Clan.

User: angel | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: Pulled out of lurkdom, by St. Al.... :-)

Same goes. It was actually great to hang with you and yours. Definitely a highlight. Oh, Clas is at the Country House, I do believe.

Speaking of the Damned. They are playing for 4 hours, this Friday. I would love to go, but don't think I will be able to.

Wishing you all good things in the New Year, especially music.

User: Cyn | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: ok..so this year is almost over..I have 20 minutes to reflect..OK, all done reflecting..(hahahah).

Just want to Thank ALL the Steely Friends for helping me "keep it real"..this past year.

Snakie:..Thanks for ALL the encouraging emails, sistah!

Danoooooo:...Well, What can I say, except I never thought we'd meet in Taunton..all our best to you and yours..next time London..on your turf (no pun intended)

Jim# and Mrs#..I love you both dearly...that will never change.

Diffy, Arlean... You guys are de best to meet in chat...and always have been....kisses

and to my long lost cuz.."Midnight"..Sweetie, I'm so verry happy that all things good and bad evened out for you and your beautiful bride. Just look into her lovely face, see her smile...and you'll know what I mean.

Dunc...next time I'm there...I promise!

I sent my Englishman home tonight..(well, I didn't REALLY send him, he had to leave..even tho I threatened to poke him in the ear, so he couldn't fly).Sooooooooooooooooo.........

I WISH ALL THESE GREAT STEELY FOLK A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR..!!!!!

ps...clas... I still love ya too..!

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: My hopes for the new year:

No war.

Finally getting a DVD player.

Losing more weight.

New Eagles CD.

Finally coming to New York for summer vacation.

The fall of various teen acts.

No American Idols, especially that creepy Justin guy with the ugly afro.
Makes us black guys look bad.

My Sears stock goes up.

New job.

And..................................A NEW STEELY DAN CD!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

User: ¦ - Merry New Year | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: My fave 2002 releases:

Jane Monheit - In the Sun
George Harrison - Brainwashed
Norah Jones - Come Away With Me
Neil Finn - One All
Justin Morrell - Plays the Music of Steely Dan

Hon. mention: James Taylor - October Skies

Tejas Special - Dixie Chicks - Home

What the kidz dig:

Foo Fighters, Wilco, Beck

Best single and got no airplay - 4th of July - James Taylor

Worst choice of Single - Paul McCartney - Cashing in on 9/11 with Freedom... instead of Tiny Bubble, the only stellar recording on an inconsistent Driving Rain

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: Jimbo, I didn't catch the interview with Gene Simmons. I knew I'd get pissed off, and purposely avoided listening to it. Life is short. Why waste my precious time on an asshole if I don't have to? IMHO Kiss was a glitter band with makeup and no talent. While I've been told that I have peculiar taste in men, I can't imagine how a woman could find Gene Simmons sexually attractive? But I suppose it's like my Dad used to tell me, " Even a blind hog finds an acorn occasionally".. lol lol.

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!
love and peace Moll

User: The Fez | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: It is already 2003 here in Future World ....... and all is well!
Wishing all Danites a Happy, Safe and Successful 2003
May the ways of the Force be with you

....The Fez

User: StAl | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: Hope everyone has a safe and happy new year.

I'd have included John Mayer on my list but it came out in late 2001. Also would have included Tool's latest... Haven't had a chance to listen to George Harrison's new one. Will have to check it out. Did just order Audioslave's new one. I suspect that one should be included. And I completely forgot one...Duh...

Foo Fighters: One By One

This year was fairly uneventful for me. I'd have to say a highlight would have been catching the Growing Up Live show and the trip to San Diego. Havng met W1P, Angel (and family), Craigster, Stevee and Bob Tedde for the first time was a gas.

Here's holding out for more danfestivities in 2003!

Then there were all those "firsts" of my daughter Stella. First steps, first words, first time she said she loved me, first time she puked on me, first time she peed on me, etc, etc.

Dano: Don't know much about PG's work on the new Scorsese (sp?) movie.

Where the hell is Clas?

StAl

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: Wishing everyone a Safe and Happy New Year's Eve tonight....have fun but don't party too much and drive....it would suck to lose someone that way.

Best of the Year in Entertainment (for me):

CD - John Mayer - Room For Squares
Single - Puddle of Mudd - Blurry

Movie Comedy - My Big Fat Greek Wedding
Movie Other - LOTR -The Two Towers (even if they left out Gandalf's meeting with Saruman and postponed the trip to Shelob's Lair)

Television Comedy - Everybody Loves Raymond
Television Drama - Law & Order (the original)

but the real "Best of the Year" goes to rebuilding my relationship with my wife into something that's better than it's ever been....thank God for second chances....and that's just about all I've got to say about that.

party on dudes + dudettes,
MC

User: Duncan | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: Hi everyone..
Just calling in from Scotland to wish everyone a great Hogmany & new year !!!

Having a wonderful time... went to a distillery yesterday!
see you all next year.

db

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: My Best CDs of 2002.

Dave Matthews Band-Busted Stuff
Springsteen-The Rising
Jane Monheit-In The Sun
Cassandra Wilson-Belly In The Sun
David Benoit-Fuzzy Logic
The Best of Dianne Reeves
Joyce Cooling-Third Wish
Norah Jones-Come Away With Me

Best moments of 2003:
The Sopranos
Three real heroes as Time's People of the Year. (The Whistleblowers)
Meeting Jane Monheit in person.
Publishing a concert review on the MusicSteps website
Louis Rukeyser (Lou Dobbs, move over for the King.)
Drea DeMatteo hosting an awards show. ;)
Trent Lott paying the price for being a KKK lover.
Cardinal Law resigns

Worst Moments of 2003:
Trent Lott still Senator

Strom Thurman still alive

Bush wants to fight most countries. (Is Tony Blair selling out?)

Found out that Newport, RI is expensive to stay in. That killed my intentions to go to the Newport Jazz Festival.

People Magazine considers Donald Rumsfeld sexy? Aren't we supposed to
be always suspicious of politicians? Huey Long where are you?

Whitney Houston says she drinks and sokes marijuana, but still says she has no problems with substance abuse. Ain't it just like a diva?

Michael Jackson. (Need I go to all the details?)

My Sears stock has fallen.

Oh, and CEOs and executives are nothing but a bunch of greedy self-serving bastards. May they burn in Hell.

User: Randy | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: 
"Best" of 2002 at My House (Some of which were released at the end of 2001):

1. Miles Davis - The Complete 'In A Silent Way' Sessions
2. Johnny Smith - The Sound of the Johnny Smith Guitar (Reissue)
3. George Harrison - Brainwashed
4. Graham Nash - Songs For Survivors
5. Jackson Browne - The Naked Ride Home
6. Wayne Shorter - Footprints Live
7. Tori Amos - Scarlet's Walk
8. Peter Gabriel - Up
9. Dr. John - Creole Moon

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

User: Bad Sneakers | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: Cheers Dano I have a few appointments over your way early next year so I will try to catch up ASAP - Meantime Have a stoatir !!! And watch the whisky big man !!!

And - For those of you who always wanted to know but were afraid to ask

The words (with meanings) of Auld lang syne

http://www.hogmanay.net/auldlangsynelyrics.shtml

Ah - Rabbie Burns - there can be only one

User: Dano | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: Just a wee note to say to everyone to have a good Hogmany , take a wee bit of coal and a drink to a party and have a Happy New Year.

StAl , Pat we have the opening of Gangs Of New York here in January , and i was wondering, Have you heard the soundtrack of the film , as its done by U2 and Gabriel?? Any info on that mate!! Cheers Dano.

TWM , Stuck in Edinburgh tonight and missing Glaesga(cousins Birthday)are you down in Georges Square??Will try and call you Wednesday for a bit of First Footin.

Bad Sneakers , Have a good new year , Lang May Your Lumb Reek.

Aus / Malc , all holiday plans now seem to be heading towards visit to NYC , can you guys give me any tips on mid price hotels etc etc.Wifey and wee man want to come over for two weeks and looks like the summer holiday for us now.Any good websites as i may fly over on by Virgin and sort the rest out myself.Thanks Guys.

Have a good New Year to all of you , off on the lash now , well muellered and Dancin The Night Away.

Dano.

User: YGK | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: Well, now, should we start a War on Weather?
Perhaps we could have a Homeland Weatherman.......
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/reuters/asia-138866.html

Anyway, everything aside, here's to wishing everyone here a wonderful and happy New Year!
All to best for 2003......

ygk

User: TBC | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: CDs of the year 2002

Led Zeppelin - Physical graffiti
Peter Gabriel - Up
Chillis - By the way
Foo Fighters - One by one
Badly drawn boy - Have you fed the fish ?
Queens of the stone age - songs for the deaf
Las Ketchup - the ketchup song
anything by Frank Zappa
that eminem CD that St Al loves

Best CD of 2003 ? - Steely Dan play the music of Nirvana with Chuck Rainey and Bernard Purdie on all instruments / arrangements / chord progressions and bass trombone, George Clooney on vocals and Winona Ryder stealing the show (Don and Walt to do nothing at all as they can't really play anyway)

Best TV - Still the Sopranos

Best tour - Rings aroung the world - Super furry animals (of course)

Happy Hogmanay - The best day of the year to be Scottish (tomorrow is another matter :-) )

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 31

Message: Moll- Speaking of NPR, did you happen to catch that repeat of the Gene Simmons interview on Fresh Aire? He was trying to piss off Terry Gross by putting down her and NPR for being boring and not having enough spice.

No wonder minus the makeup he's still a monster. Now I like Kiss' music, but Gene seemed to be the demon incarnate in that interview. Kudos to Terry for standing up to that sex starved bigot. Maybe he should've drank a big Black Cow and got outta there.

THANK GOD FOR NPR!

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: Tones, that's why I just listen to NPR......
BB, I'll toast the New Year to you bud! Switching to Johnny Walker Red though. I've been reading a book of poetry titled "Nine Horses: Poems" by Billy Collins. I think you'd enjoy it. *kisses and hugs*

User: t | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: Ok... *now* I'm worried...

Clearchannel buys up all the regular broadcast stations, turns them all to crap, then offers the "alternative" at a premium. AND they still get commercial revenue.

Meanwhile they ban Tom Petty's new album because he's singing about that very thing.

Pass the deludin...

User: the dog star | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: Jimbo,
Good thoughts on satellte radio..having worked for Sirius last year
the concept and music were good but 9/11 finished us off as hosts last
spring..along with greed at the top..XM will most likely in the future
be purchased by clear channle..watch for it.
but it gave this musicologist one last shot for an ol' guy"

bluz

User: t | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: St. Al - that's ok... I know by "Eminem" you meant to type "George Harrison"... lol!

Jimbo - Thanks for the info. I'm still not sure I trust satellite radio, mostly because they rolled it out at the same time independent internet radio broadcasters were being squashed by the FCC. The timing was a little too convenient to be coincidence to me...

Btw, I like the new Shania cd... of course I threw the cd away and just kept the cover...

tnz

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: Tones- I forgot one other thing. Satellite Radio is meant to give you more alternatives and more choices in terms of music and different styles.

EXAMPLES
Album Cuts, for people who know there's more to Van Morrison than "Brown Eyed-Girl" and "Moondance".

Different styles of jazz, blues, Latin, rock, country(including bluegrass),classical, etc.

Yes, there is sponsorship for the XM and Sirius stations, but only a third of the XM stations are commercial-free. And, I even admit, Clear Channel, the Satan of radio programming, has a share in XM too. But you
can get any selection that you want. Plus, if you drive across the country, you won't have to worry about stations changing. You can listen to Album Cuts from New Jersey to Idaho. If Clear Channel, takes more than its' share, then we can panic.

Hope that calms any worries about the state of music. I'm not optimistic 100% Just maybe 60%. But let's hope that like the early 60's (after
Buddy Holly, before Beatles), the crap we hear on radio will be disposable
and forgetful. OK? OK!

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: Tones- Thanks. I stand corrected. Those artists you mentioned do qualify
in the country category. I even forgot to mention the Dixie Chicks. Their new one is far better than first two releases. A lot of downhome bluegrass, plus a cover of a Stevie Nicks classic makes "Home" worth buying. So I do take back about a lack of soulful country singers.
As a matter of fact, there was a review by a local paper on Shania's
Cd. It said it all. That the Cd was more about making money than it was about expressing your art in a human way.

In defense of Norah, though, I have to say that in terms of commercial
exposure, she hasn't had much on any of the local stations I listen to.
Yes, she sold two million records, but she has had none of the Britney
or Ashanti type success. As long as it was hard work, plus the fact that she can play piano as well as write (which she should do more of), Norah, regardless of what opinion states, should be commended for just being herself.

Later tonight, I'll give out my views of what the best and worst of this year was. Let see what your's are.

User: StAl | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: 2002 just wouldn't be complete without a list. Here's mine...

Top 5 CD's of 2002:

1. Yankee Hotel Foxtrot -- Wilco
2. Up -- Peter Gabriel
3. When I was Cruel -- Elvis Costello
4. Sea Change -- Beck
5. The Eminem Show -- Eminem

That's right, I chose Eminem. I'll get it out of the way right now... BITE ME.

Tones: I agree on Norah Jones. Definitely a talent but doesn't do a darned thing for me. I've always wondered why the RLJ connection was never discussed? I've tried to like her too, especially considering how much everyone else on this board does. They play the living SHIT out of her on KMTT and it's starting to drive me nuts...

K of the world: I forgot to mention in my last post. Do yourself a favor by masking your e-mail address when you post it in the e-mail field. Otherwise you're going to receive more SPAM than you want. I suspect this might already be happening.

This goes for everyone. When you post a legitimate e-mail address into that field you make available your address to automated SPAM harvest bots. I always post my address as patDISCARD@banyantrees.net. Obviously you should "discard" the DISCARD when sending me mail. If you send it to patDISCARD@banyantrees.net it will bounce -- just like all that SPAM does. Make sense? This is a good rule of thumb when posting to ANY Internet forum.

StAl

User: tones | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: Jimbo - just off the top of my head: Emmylou Harris, Alison Krause, um... Dollywood aside, Ms. Parton has an amazing voice and impeccable technique, and her choice in material has gotten imeasurably better in the last few years. And there are some outstanding younger women country singers like Gillian Welch (and I'd throw Beth Orton in there too though she's technically "prog-folk" - a catagory I just made up) who are outstanding, but it may be too early to tell if they rank among the likes of Patsy Cline. But generally I agree, there's been a lot of good female country songwriters (like Rosanne Cash, Ms. Welch, Lucinda Williams...) but not a lot of great singers. K.D. Lang is another one that comes to mind, but she's not just a country/folk singer anymore...

Though I can see she has talent, I'm not a big Norah Jones fan. I'm surprised nobody mentions how much she sounds like Rickie Lee. I put on Pop Pop the other day and it blew me away all over again, and it's not that far from Norah Jones to my ears. Imho, that cd and It's Like This (and Joni's new cd too) should have gotten as much or more attention than Ms. Jones' cd has gotten but they haven't. Could it be because she's on Blue Note (in other words, "serious" music)? Could it be because she's cute? Or could it be because Arif Mardin's name is on the cd and that means we're *supposed* to like it, and therefore it rates the all the marketing force and product placement (as in J-lo's new movie) Capitol/Blue Note can muster while other artists, up-and-coming and established alike, struggle to have their albums heard at all? I don't mean to hold it against Ms. Jones, but major label/music biz politics suck. She'll find out when the label tries to force her to keep rewriting "Don't Know Why" over and over again until she's too "mature" to promote...

Btw... isn't satellite radio just another form of corporate radio? Not to bum anybody out... lol...

Jeez... I'm such a cynical bastard...

Happy New One everybody!

t

User: StAl | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: 
YGK: I don't read Drudge. He's a hack. I do read the links he gathers to other places of information. Just want to clarify.

W1P: I was successful in getting his gig some airtime on KMTT. However, I regret to say I cannot attend. That is, unless someone magically steps in as a babysitter for the evening.

K of the world: Not sure why you keep getting that error? Don't know of anyone else complaining of this problem (consistently) and there have been over 25000 posts to this GB since I installed this script. Only thing I can suggest is to upgrade your web browser. You're using IE Version 5.0 which, I believe, goes back to 1999...

StAl

User: k of world, still being picked on regarding required fields business more than other people.... | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: altamira....... i guess i'm supposed to have a document of some kind to 'paste' this thing into. This seems to be what is tripping me up. Can I just somehow declare this to be a "file" somehow, and preserve it? Whatever's easier on one's brain would be best, in my case.

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: St. Al -- ready for Keneally NYE? Familiar with Kicking Harold? http://www.kickingharold.com

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: YGK- Norah Jones is not a country singer. If she was a country singer, she would have sung in high volume and express only her art for the money
just like Faith Hill or Shania Twain. Her music is primarily jazz, but she is also into other forms of music. The fact that she covered a Hank WIlliams tune shouldn't worry anyone, except a few jazz purists. I can assure you that there are no signs at the moment of any good ole' boys
or girls on Blue Note. If there was, true culture would be dead. After all, aside from Charley Pride, how many current country artists are African-American?

Except for Mary Chapin Carpenter, there hasn't been a truly talented female country singer this side of Patsy Cline for awhile. If Norah Jones was a country singer, she would have ranked up there with Darden Smith, Ryan Adams, and Steve Earle as one of the few alternative country singers who wouldn't be accepted by the establishment known as the
record industry.

Reading in a recent issue of Jazziz magazine, Norah had a producer in Nashville who was making her recordings sound too country and she didn't like it. so, she switched producers and got the one who did most of the work-Arif Marden.

As my local record store suggests, Norah is still in the Jazz section. So with all due respect, I have to disagree with the assumption of the genre that Norah plays. However, if you do find out that a country singer wants to get on a jazz label, let me know, and well run em' outta there. Okay? OKAY!

ta-ta.

User: YGK | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: Correction: 1st para: that would be "car" commercial

User: YGK | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: St. Al: so you're reading Drudge too? That's just too much - is that really a 'talent'? So where's the performance, and where's the fricking art? No where, mon frere.........
This world, this country, is/has becoming/become so friggin gentrified and just plain flat and boring as hell. I was switching channels over the last week or so, and if I see one more card commercial, I'm gonna pop.

I'm just very pissed. I honestly have begun to seriously think that the 'formula' is winning - people don't challenge, just accept the garbage the media throws down - there is little, if any, quality being produced. Is Norah Jones really all that?
Why does a primarily country singer get put on Blue Note? Is Bruce Lundvaal (sp?) just making up for a singer he didn't sign years ago?
Are we really that scared?

Where is the new and the bold? Who's making the new frontier?
And really, Santa who? puhleeze......
and this job plainly sux the big one........can't stand this corporate culture - the ultimate oxymoron.

Yeah, yeah, I'm perhaps a bit bitter and jaded, but I don't like what I see here in the sitay, and then I realize that THIS is at least progressive compared with most of the country, and then I get REAL depressed.......

BTW - New CORE Disc looks like February release for logistical/financial reasons.....we're more than half mixed - we all need to get it out, runs approx 68 mins........the band is going through some personal crises and are literaly trying to sort this whole damn NYC/USA approach to life and living......and Pat, I will dump some stuff over soon.........delays, delays......etc.
Someday I may write about the truth and the things we see - the stuff that perhaps many of you would find horrendous.......or something.

The Sub-Culture - of which I am a part - is having to increasingly be hidden.......we feel like the New Communists......arrrrrrrrrrgh!

Anyway, back to the side of living most dangerously..........the Word from NYC to pop out shortly........

Have a great new year all!

ygk

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: St. Al.- A guy who eats babies for art? First, a racist senator who's beloved by the Oak Ridge Boys, then some assholes decide to clone someone,
now this. AND HE'S A CHRISTIAN?

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: St. Al- Lucky you. Satellite Radio. Sounds like commercial corporate radio is on step closer to being out of existence. Of course that's a million steps away, but congratulations. I guess you might have left Santa something better than the milk and cookies.

Me, I got the usual: clothes, underwear (very important), but I also got a
George Foreman grill :) It rules! I've cooked chicken and planning on fish this week. I hardly eat red meat, so burgers are only on occasion.

PIANO JAZZ NEWS- Norah Jones will be on Piano Jazz on the week of January 11-18 on NPR. Plus, on the Piano Jazz website: www.pianojazz.org, there is an announcement on the airing of Steely Dan's appearance on the show.

On my station WDUQ, in Pittsburgh, the Dan episode will be airing on February 15th, MY BIRTHDAY!!!!! That is too cool. Dag, my birthday
is already looking good. Now if they would just mention release date of new CD and tour dates.

Have to go now, but there's a new topic I hope to bring up later.

See Ya!

User: StAlphonzo | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: And the envelope is pushed even farther...

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,7493,866514,00.html

What next?

So was Santa good to everyone? I got a set of All Clad pots/pans and one of them new-fangled XM Satellite radios. The "Deep Cuts" channel plays a buttload of Steely Dan, and not Rikki either. Pretty cool stuff.

I'm excited about the new band Audioslave. From the ashes of Rage Against The Machine with Chris [how-the-hell-does-hit-those-notes] Cornell on vocals.

User: Handbook For The Recently Deceased | Month: 11 | Day: 30

Message: Open up you dead people!

You see Lydia, if you don't stick up for yourself, then people
living or dead will walk all over you!

User: post | Month: 11 | Day: 29

Message: um..

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 11 | Day: 29

Message: Altamira....yes, we still have our six kitties....they're all doing well....it's great to see you taking care of so many that really need it....hope you still get your Abby one of these days.

a photo from last week....the only green I could find was in a stream that leads to the Dan River....thought it made a nice abstract....follow the link or click on the Homepage link at the top of this post.

http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/Stream.jpg

maybe some news on "The Next One" this week....?

User: Beerberian | Month: 11 | Day: 28

Message: Moll; Hoist one for me doll ...

Bluz; am awaitin the tale

User: the week that was, in musical matters..... | Month: 11 | Day: 28

Message: Breakups... Debuts... and a Few Firearms

This is the week that was in matters musical...

1929, bluesman Blind Lemon Jefferson dies in Chicago...the exact date and circumstances have
never been established but two legends refer to a blizzard...one story has the famous bluesman
freezing to death on the street...in the other, he dies of a heart attack in the back of a car and
is abandoned by his driver...

1961, The Beach Boys make their live debut under that name at the Ritchie Valens Memorial
Concert in Long Beach, California...previously, they had gone under several names including The
Pendletones, Kenny & The Kadets, and Carl And The Passions...

1963, The Animals perform their first radio broadcast on the BBC show "Saturday Club"...also in
1963, The Weavers play their last concert in Chicago...1964, The Supremes make their first
appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show...

1967, David Bowie makes his debut with the Lindsay Kemp mime troup in "Pierrot In Turquoise" at
the Oxford New Theatre ...

1968, Led Zeppelin gives its U.S. debut performance in Boston and the Miami Pop Festival
features performances by Procol Harum, Chuck Berry, Fleetwood Mac, and Canned Heat...

1976, The Cars give their debut performance at Pease Air Force Base in Portsmouth, New
Hampshire...

1977, Harlem's Apollo Theater re-opens...

1979, Jimmy Crespo replaces Joe Perry in Aerosmith...also in 1979, Emerson, Lake & Palmer
announce that they've split up...

1982, Jamaica issues a Bob Marley commemorative stamp...

1984, Def Leppard drummer, Rick Allen, is involved in a car crash in which one of his arms is so
badly damaged it has to be amputated, but he continues to play drums for the band ...

1986, guests Gary Hart and Donna Rice meet each other at Don Henley's birthday party...

1992, Harry Connick Jr. is arrested at Kennedy Airport when guards discover a 9mm in his
carry-on...

1999, Sean "Puffy" Combs is arrested for criminal possession of a weapon... a gun is found in his
vehicle after he leaves a New York club where three people are shot...Jennifer Lopez is with him
at the time of his arrest but is released after questioning...

1999, former Beatle George Harrison is stabbed four times in the chest during an attempted
robbery at his home near London...he and wife Olivia struggle with the intruder and are able to
subdue him until police arrive...

2000, 81-year-old Kitty Wells performs her farewell show in Nashville...

and that was the week that was.

Birthdays

December 25: Cab Calloway (1907), Tony Martin (1913), Little Richard born Richard Penniman
(1932), O'Kelly Isley of The Isley Brothers (1937), Fairport Convention's Trevor Lucas (1943),
Canned Heat's Henry Vestine (1944), Noel Redding of Jimi Hendrix Experience (1945), Jimmy
Buffett (1946), Barbara Mandrell (1948), UB40's Robin Campbell (1954), Annie Lennox (1954),
The Pogues' Shane MacGowan (1957)

December 26: Steve Allen (1921), Abdul "Duke" Fakir of The Four Tops (1935), Phil Spector
(1940), Lars Ulrich of Metallica (1963)

December 27: Marlene Dietrich (1901), Oscar Levant (1906), guitarist Scotty Moore (1931),
Leslie McGuire of Gerry and the Pacemakers (1941), Mike Pinder of The Moody Blues (1942), The
Animals' Dave Rowberry (1943), Mick Jones of Foreigner (1944), Larry Byrom of Steppenwolf
(1948), David Knopfler of Dire Straits (1952), Karla Bonoff (1952)

December 28: jazz pianist Earl "Fatha" Hines (1903), Roebuck "Pop" Staples of The Staple
Singers (1915), Johnny Otis (1921), Charles Neville of The Neville Brothers (1938), Edgar Winter
(1946)

December 29: Pablo Casals (1876), Ray Thomas of The Moody Blues (1942), Marianne Faithfull
(1946), Cozy Powell of the Jeff Beck Group (1947), singer Yvonne Elliman (1951)

December 30: Bo Diddley born Otha Ellis Bates (1928), session picker Red Rhodes (1930),
Skeeter Davis born Mary Pennick (1931), rockabilly star Dorsey Burnett (1932), singer/songwriter
John Hartford (1937), Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul and Mary (1937), Del Shannon born Charles
Westover (1939), Michael Nesmith of the Monkees (1942), Davy Jones of the Monkees (1945),
Jeff Lynne of ELO and The Traveling Wilburys (1947), Alex Chilton of The Box Tops (1950)

December 31: composer Jule Styne (1905), folk singer Odetta Holmes (1930), Andy Summers of
The Police (1942), John Denver born John Deutschendorf (1943), Pete Quaife of The Kinks
(1943, or 12/27), Patti Smith (1946), Burton Cummings of The Guess Who (1947), Donna
Summer born LaDonna Gaines (1948), Tom Hamilton of Aerosmith (1951), George Thorogood
(1952), Scott Ian of Anthrax (1963), Joe McIntyre of New Kids on the Block (1972)

Departures

December 25: Curtis Mayfield (1999), Love's Bryan MacLean (1998), blues guitarist Eddie Taylor
(1981)

December 27: Music mogul and founder of Chance Records, Ewart G. Abner (1997), Hoagy
Carmichael (1981)

December 28: Dennis Wilson (1983), Freddie King (1976)

December 29: conductor Takashi Asahina (2001), French singer/songwriter Mireille (1996), Tim
Hardin (1980)

December 30: longtime member of The Drifters Johnny Moore (1998), Broadway composer
Richard Rodgers (1979)

December 31: guitarist Eddie Shaver (2000), Floyd Cramer (1997), Ricky Nelson (1985),
bluesman Robert Pete Williams (1980), R&B writer/producer Bert Berns

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 27

Message: Dream on Wild Bill.....How about a Steely Men calender? More fitting don't ya think?
AltaMira, people just know I have a soft spot for children and animals. I have a hard time saying no to strays ect... Which if I think about it, kinda explains my affection for Bill... lol lol
BB, sorry I missed you bud. Got that Maker's Mark out in your honor *wink*

User: Bill | Month: 11 | Day: 27

Message: After consulting with a few of the head honcho's of the Dan world,
who shall remain nameless, a consensus was reached concerning what
to do while awaiting the release of the next Steely Dan CD.

After much haggling and give-and take it was agreed to that we should
concentrate on the following activity in order to keep our minds
occupied during the long wait. So without further ado we hereby unviel
the next phase of our Steely Dan activities program with the...

******************** WOMEN OF STEELY DAN CALENDAR! ******************

That's right ladies! It's the Women Of Steely Dan Calendar, and YOU
can be part of it! Just send your most revealing photos along with
a stamped and self-addressed envelope to...

WOMEN OF STEELY DAN CALENDAR
Women's Activities Program
C/0 Steely Dan Wet T-shirt Committee
New York, New York 11001

Based on our extensive research, the WOMEN OF STEELY DAN CALENDAR
promises to be one of the most successful activities to date!
So get your photos in today and don't forget to include your birth
month so that you can be accurately represented!
MAKE A STAND FOR STEELY DAN!!

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 27

Message: Elmer singing " Do It Again" would be funny...... And then there's "Fever" lol lol
Jaz, have you gone off with Starland Vocal Band again? Geez, you groupies! First Wild Bill abandons me and now you....hehehe No wonder I left you guys for the Viking. Come back to us bud.

User: Altamira | Month: 11 | Day: 27

Message: Moll--That's great, having all those different species. When I was growing up, we had guinea pigs, gerbils, mice, rats, fish, a parakeet, dogs, cats, and horses (although not all at once!). I now find it easier to concentrate on one species, but I miss the variety.

Beerberian--Thank you, and the same to you. I had to work Thursday also; I'm considered an essential worker, even though I'm a writer, not a train or bus operator. Your cats have great names. I have friends who have English cocker spaniels, given to them by the breeder because the dogs have health problems. For years they had an Albert and a Victoria, but last year Albert died of stomach cancer, so now they have a puppy named Albert, Bertie for short.

King of the World--I'm sorry. I'll explain it in a little more detail: Place the cursor at the beginning of the document you want to copy. Click the left button on the mouse and move the mouse to the end of what you want to copy to highlight it. Then hold down the "control (Ctrl)" key and press the "C" key. Then place the cursor where you want what you've copied to go, hold down the "control" key, and press the "V" key to paste the text into the document. Good luck with the Web site!

User: jim | Month: 11 | Day: 27

Message: M¦;
I'd top that with Janet Jackson's "What Have You Done For Me Lately" while doing Elmer Fudd...."Whadt Halve y¦ dun fo me whaitwee Whoo-whooo-whooooooo-ya"

User: king of the world | Month: 11 | Day: 27

Message: Altamira--- I'm just confining myself to one tiny issue for now, due to eyes--- regarding your instructions on lifting text... thanks, but as I'm new to all this, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Strangely enough, I've got to manage to do my own site somehow, where I go into the broader medical situation, while being severely limited in what information I'm able to take in, and retain.

User: lp | Month: 11 | Day: 27

Message: gees, mu, don't say helicopter, reminds me of swifty days in massachusetts - nope, i'll get me own private contractor - lol - but it was an emergency yesterday

LOL

off to syracuse for the week next week, may not be online for a while

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 27

Message: BB, thanks....but I still couldn't send him or Fife an e-greeting because I lost their addresses. I wanted to wish both of them a Merry Christmas. Fife was going to give me a recipe for a triffle.
Duncan, nice to see you again. I love talking music and art with you. I'm working in mosaic at the moment, incorporating my glass and painting. I figured it was a good way to use up the bits and bobs of glass chips. Hope you'll check out Tim Wilson, he makes me laugh until my sides hurt.
Deckard, umm Panties and fudge.. Lol Lol That ought to raise the customs guy's eyebrow. You're too funny..
My Viking Warrior, Missing you something fierce *kisses~~~~~~~~*

User: Beerberian doin his 9 - 5 | Month: 11 | Day: 27

Message: GB; Only me @ work then ?????? still only one day, then off 'til next Thursday ......got 3 Patti Griffin CD's for chrimble ....Lovely Stuff !!! anybody else know/love her ?

Moll; Deacon is from Barcelona ....I think - friend of bluz, and also a Ms Tzuke fan ....hey bluz Tonight right ?

Altamira; Cat people - always the kindest lol - we only have two now Albert & Victoria ....Happy Miaow Year to ya ....

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 26

Message: Altamira, No worries.. The person from Chat calls himself Deacon as well. He is from Spain (or at least claims to be) He seems very literate and can speak/type Spanish fluently... While he too seems to be a very nice person, I don't think anyone will get you guys confused.. *wink* I have 4 cats. All but one were strays. I also have a dog that we adopted after a friend passed away. We have a parrot, burro, minature goat and two bunnies as well. All but the parrot were reject pets from others, presented to me as "gifts".. I'm thinking of opening my very own Zoo soon.. lol Re: Shaming- it is a shame that others feel compelled to control the actions of others. Personally, it's a full time endeavor for me to keep myself right with God. I don't presume to know how others should live.
Dr Mu, I loved the card. I knew from your posts that you had a great sense of humor. Thanks! It made my day.
Drew, change of plans... The Dragon-man will be with me. So you are worrying needlessly. Please get in touch before you leave.

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 26

Message: ...but nothing beats singing David Bowie's "Let's Dance" while doing Elmer Fudd...

User: ¦ - kids if you want some fun... | Month: 11 | Day: 26

Message: ...sing New Frontier doing a Bob Dylan impression...very amusing...or i'm easily entertained

lp: The key is to make a deal with the plowers by making a local Dunkin' Donuts their transportation "hub"...where's a black helicopter when you need one?

User: Altamira | Month: 11 | Day: 26

Message: Whoops! Make that nine. I've just learned that I'm getting another foster cat tonight (three of my four foster cats have died this year, two of the feline leukemia virus and one of lung cancer, so I had wanted to take a break from fostering until I recovered emotionally, but this cat is sleeping on a box on a front porch in a dense neighborhood near two main streets, so she needs a new home right away). Anyway, she's a very friendly black shorthaired cat with white markings--if any of you in the Baltimore-Washington-Richmond area might be interested in adopting her, please let me know (I'll know more about her health after I take her to the vet tomorrow night).

User: Altamira | Month: 11 | Day: 26

Message: Midnite,

I hope your cats are doing well. Since I bought the house last year, I've been able to expand my cat population; I'm now up to eight. Last year I adopted two formerly feral brown tabby males, Ben and Jivati, from a no-kill shelter near Orange, Virginia, called Rikki's Refuge (apparently the founder must have been a Dan fan to name the shelter's namesake Rikki). Early this year, I trapped a smoke tabby (pale gray base, dark brown tips--she looks like a dark brown cat with pale stripes on her neck and head) female, Visigoth, from a feral colony near where I live. She was about six months old, according to the colony manager, and quite friendly for a cat who was born in a feral colony--she would sometimes let the people who fed her pet her. All three are extremely affectionate.

Gina,

Hey! Good to see you here.

King of the World,

Oh, I plan to be around here for a long time! The problem with religious shaming is that members of some religions sometimes shame people for things that are not intrinsically wrong (I know this from personal experience), potentially creating a repressive society. It's certainly good to have a moral code, however, as long as one doesn't force it on other people. At the party yesterday (I'm eating some leftover salad from it as I write), we watched a movie, Chocolat, that dealt with this theme in an entertaining way. You can save text from the GB by going back to the post and cutting and pasting the text into another format--I just tried it with WordPerfect; you get hypertext coding, but you can easily remove that.

Moll,

There's another Altamira? Well, if she only participates on Chat (which I can't do because of software incompatibility), then there shouldn't be much confusion. But if people think it's going to be a problem, I could change my name to, say, Artemis, which sounds sort of similar. (By the way, if anyone ever wants my e-mail address, you can just click on the word "e-mail" in the header.)

User: lp | Month: 11 | Day: 26

Message: well, a call to the dpw director to plow me out brought me to work today - 18 inches on the island, not bad, not bad... i need to set up a contract for plowing i guess, great planning, huh? - the morning has brought in all departments ribbing me for my poor planning, yes, very funny...

we had the local bagel nazi, agnes, for christmas dinner - it was lovely - her stories to tell were fabulous - i knew she had alot to her that you would never see at the surface - one of her best friends is dr benjamin spock's sister, had a great time listening to stories about her - agnes also chronicled her drive cross-country and gave me some good dirt on the locals in town - all done with grace and humility - shows when you make the effort to share alot comes back to you - never pass the opportunity to take a new person on

the children won the war and we had ham, mashed potato (not from a box, come on people!), and peas for christmas eve dinner

christmas dinner was slightly modified - we added mushrooms cooked in vermouth and a salad with homemade bleu cheese viniagrette - agnes came with homemade dinner rolls and a spongecake with chocolate frosting with cherry and apricot in between layers, as well as a french burgundy with smartly replaced the beaujolais i had originally planned

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 26

Message: Hi everyone! I hope you had a wonderful Christmas.
Altamira, are you the Deacon/Altamira that I've spoken with in Chat? The person who types such beautiful Spanish? I lost your address. I wanted to send you a Christmas e-greeting! But alas, my organizational skills are sadly lacking at times. Please give me your address again. Mine is included in the e-mail thingy at top.
Clas, Your e-greetings keep bouncing. Yes, I sent them to address on Steely Knives....lol lol Don't worry, even though you are my long lost half-brother, I'm not a stalker or anything. (except with Wild Bill...hehehe) Please send me your address.
King of World, thanks bud...It's hard not to sound cheezy with Seanonal Greetings. I tend to view my relationship with God as very personal. I'm not much on conventional religions. (too many rules *wink*) I think of a line in a John Hiatt song; "We can live in fear, or act out of hope". Corny as it sounds, I think that's true. I choose hope.Once I lived with a consuming rage and hatred. Revenge was my religion and death seemed to be a welcome release. My relationship with God and experiening his love, changed me. I hope you find comfort one day as well. Life is a spiritual journey. We all have to find our own paths...Still, I think the end destination is the same for all of us whatever roads we take.
Fife, I lost your e-mail address as well. It was on same sheet of paper as Altamira's. Sorry... Talk soon?!!!!!

User: king of the world | Month: 11 | Day: 25

Message: Molly... didn't mean to trample on your sincere Xmas words, which were fairly good ones actually. It's rare to hear anything on that Birth which isn't either shallowly sentimental, or stern and prosletizing. Very spare language, and not 'intrusive' I guess. I don't know what the hell I'm saying, today. Anyway, if I kind of liked it, that's saying something.

They're barking up the wrong tree in my case, but I respect a devout believer a lot more than the usual unbeliever these days who only cares about his own immediate, shallow needs and what he can touch, see and consume. I'd almost rather we still had the kind of religious 'shaming' we used to have, instead of the overall sense we get in the society now, that basically nothing matters.

(I'm not even sure the Mid-East stuff these days is even about religion, but just "us" and "them".)

Thanks for remarks, "t" and El Supremo. That thing was almost 20 years old, but I hoped it still held up. I wish i could figure out how to lift the text and store it, since I can't afford to post long items like that often (eye thing). Am I rambling? Very weird frame o' mind now-- partially the holiday I'm sure.

Altamira--- stay around, why don't you?

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 25

Message: Happy Holidays to all.

Peace and good will to all. We'll need that sooner or later.
Hopefully sooner.

User: ps | Month: 11 | Day: 25

Message: wow, and welcome back Altamira!!!!!!!!!!

Banyan Tree for Alta Bow,
G.

User: Gina | Month: 11 | Day: 25

Message: Happy and peaceful holidays everyone!

User:  | Month: 11 | Day: 25

Message: Non subject) contribution person: Mongoose contribution day: December 25th (water) o'clock of 12 39 minutes 13 second

Information of the new work the everyday way everyday of check with the net. Suddenly, it catches whether, with, if you think, FM time permits, hearing, it increases, but as for February 19th sale the white paper we would like to see somehow, don't you think? is, (pain). Temporarily it receives order < presently it is not accepted even with the net * shop, the fact of the matter where the place where it becomes with > comes out. Is the situation which you have expected, but it cannot hide the shock. Not to be wrong it appears in the é_ and next year however it is probably will be, the âäâLâéâL without being able to point excessively, (laughing).

So if you say, the nightfly riding the Lima star which now is in the booklet of the digital Lima star board special edition which some days ago receives with the tower * record as the name board which is not done, it increased. So, is, don't you think? -. Because the album of the SD of seventies, as for sound at all is better to tune and performance being highest don't you think? Sound quality what of rhythm party the field board is not good excessively, however it is probably will be, because (is personal opinion but), the dynamic * range changes rather with the Lima star ring, don't you think? We would like to hear quickly, is. If possible, the paper âWâââP calling.

User: Bill | Month: 11 | Day: 25

Message: I'd like to send warm holiday greetings to all of the following people...

Merry Christmas! To all the people cut me off in traffic while on your
way to the mall. Thank God that's over.

Happy Kwanza! To the Kwanzans.

Happy Bhuddah! To the Zen dudes.

Happy Winter Solstice! To Carl Sagan wherever you are...

And finally...,

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO THE OFF-KILTER FANS OF STEELY DAN!
YOU MAKE THE CYBERWORLD ROCK!
(ok, so maybe I got a little carried away with the Happy Bhudda thing...)

User: Paige | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: Merry Christmas to you all.

-Paige

User: Santa | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: This is a great Christmas! My wife got me the Nitefly in DTS 5.1 It is freaking amazing! It sounds awesome.

and to all...a good night.

User: angel | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: Finally had 2 free seconds to send holiday wishes out. May good music be found under your trees.

St. Al: Made my "gravy" last night. Calamari dinner tonight. Yum.

Midnight Crusier: Watch out, I love your cat. A real cutie.
What a great shot, too.

Aussie: Thanks to the internet, I now know what Pasteles de Yucca is. Sort of like a tamale, with yucca for masa. Your mom deserves a metal, working on them for 12 hours.

So, LP: Did the kids win? :-)

User: ¦ - pass me a bagel and a red suit | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: StAl: That's Sandy, the bronco-riding squirrel...don't messssss wi' Texas....Ever see the episode where they follow Sandy to dry land on a dare and get attacked a seagull?...a hoot...my kids ARE Sponge Bob & Patrick

User: Aussie | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: Add to the list of disques being heard: El Gran Combo Numero 5; Arreglos Rafael Ithier, Cantan: Andy Montanez y Charlie Aponte Rico Records 1990

Aus

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: Happy Holidays all! Shine On!

User: Aussie | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: Merry Christmas! Just popped my head in to wish everyone a happy and healthy Christmas.

In the oven now: TWO roast porks; A caldron of saffron infused rice with pigeon peas, a huge bowlfull of Yucca steeping in fresh ground garlic and extra virgin olive oil.
In the belly while we waited: Pasteles de Yucca (these took my mother almost twelve full hours to make from scratch) and crab meat empanadas
Nouveau Villages Beaujolais (deelish), Istara cheese with Copiapo Valley red seedless grapes and clementines.

Playing now, and in no particular order in the dining room stereo:
1. Willie Colon: Asalto Navidenyo; canta Hector Lavoe Fania Records 1972
2. Willie Colon: Asalto Navidenyo vol.II; Canta Hector Lavoe con Yomo Toro Fania Records 1973
3. Felipe "La Voz" Rodriguez: Los Reyes no Llegaron; 20 exitos Navidenos; DiscoHit de Puerto Rico productions, year not available.
4. The Nutcracker
5. Vince Guaraldi Trio- Holiday Favourites
6. Bing Crosby Christmas
7. Frank Sinatra Christmas Gift Collection Dejavu Records (Italy- 1992)
8. Elvis sings The Wonderful World of Christmas RCA records 1971
9. Perry Como- The Perry Como Christmas Album RCA records

Christmas tree (douglas fir) in the living room in full blaze and bulging with wrapped gifts underneath...

Santa's coming soon!

Peace and Love!

Aus

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all the good folks of the GB.

Altamira....it's good to see you again....hope you'll hang out with us as "the next one" is released....do you still have your kitties with you?

a shot of Deacon Blues on the way out....:

http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/DeaconProfile.jpg

User: Altamira | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: King of World,

Mmm, that's rough. But sometimes families just aren't worth thinking about, ever; I know about that. I liked what you wrote about art and "Caves of Altamira." I read an article a few years ago about the cave paintings in Lisieux (is that right?); they are beautiful and highly sophisticated; not primitive art at all in stylistic terms, even though they are primitive in the sense of being near the beginning of art history. I don't really have any cool associations with the song; I just liked the name and like the song. But "Royal Scam" was the first Steely Dan album I owned, so I have a particular fondness about the songs on that album.

St. Al,

Thank you. It's good to be here again.

User: gypsyqueeninafairytale | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: StAl-the 80s did NOT suck at least not the music:
PRINCE
KATE BUSH
TEENA MARIE

look 'em up..

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: Born in a stable
the lamb of God came
Bringing to earth
God's rule and reign
The God who dwelt among us
Can now dwell within us.
May the Birth of the Christ child fill you with wonder and peace
Merry Christmas

Love Molly

User: king of world | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: Altamira-- thanks. Though I had to get out, it's not so much 'freedom' as exile, though, since I'm in a highly disempowered state to try to find solutions for the medical thing. I know now that I couldn't ever have gotten real help and cooperation from that twisted wreckage of a paternal unit, but now I KNOW I'm without family resources, now that I'm without family. For years I had to hope I'd get him to listen. It's nice to think of family around holiday time, isn't it?

Just to abruptly shift gears... in art history I was surprised to find they were teaching us to respect cave paintings as true art, and the beginnings of art. So, I hear "Caves Of Altamira" as a sort of tribute to the whole idea of art, and the joy of it. Any cool associations for you, with that song?

User: StAl | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: Merry Holidays to all my friends on the guestbook. You to Bill...

Altimira: Damn good to see you around these parts again.

Mu: I was watching an episode of Spongebob Squarepants last night and thought of you. The show title was called "Texas." Check it out if you can.

LP: I made the yummy Red Gravy last Saturday. Twas a BIG hit. Baked Rigatoni, Sausage and Peppers, Eggplant Parmigiana, Pasta Fagioli (for the vegatarians), Marinated Peppers and Italian Coleslaw. Even impressed my Mother. Total cooking/prep time = 12 hours. San Marzano tomatoes made all the difference. Recipe for this sauce is here: http://www.banyantrees.net/cookbook.html.

Signed,
The Resident Stoner

PS. Metallica RULEZ!

User: t | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: Wouldn't that be "spinning in His tomb?" And depending on who you ask he isn't there anymore anyway... but that's another holiday...

"the lunatic is on the (blue) grass..." - The Austin Lounge Lizards did a bluegrass version of "Brain Damage" about 12 years ago...

Merry Wampum Placemat Juniormas!

User: Altamira | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: King of the Secular World,

That's horrible! I'm glad you were able to get out.

User: king of the secular world only, cringe bow scrape | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: If Dr Atkins invented this business where you're supposed to "clean out" your system with meat and fat, then I was subjected to it 3 or 4 years ago. I was forced by medical circumstances to be dependant on a maniac father, who threatened me with eviction if I didn't go to his maniac doctor, and follow all instructions without protest. Luckily I learned of a sort of bureaucratic back door that allowed me to get government-subsidized Disabled housing, because the home situation and treatments were getting crazier and crazier, and in some cases harmful.

I'll say this for the diet, which I think is a variation on that "caveman" diet... it's terrific for losing weight. I lost about 20 pounds in two weeks. Unfortunately, it had no effect on my condition, AND I was literally being forced to eat meat after not having done so for 30 years on moral grounds. My father was all too pleased to beat this "quirk" out of me, and to hit upon this method of bending someone else to his will at a time in his life when I'm sure he feels a general loss of control in his life.

Another crazy treatment: a "zapper", where I was forced to hold onto electrodes and get current put through me every day, when a huge part of the condition is a huge over-stimulation of the nervous system--- far too much current, in other words. He was/is a f'ing lunatic. He's in that class where his psychological problems don't cause problems for himself, but for those around him.

User: Altamira | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: Mu,

Yes, I think the Atkins diet is just wretched in terms of health. I won't mention its health risks directly to my friends, but when they're touting its benefits to other people we know, I like to point out what I've read about the benefits of other types of diets (like eating lots of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains) and the dangers of Atkins. The father of one of my friends just had a minor heart attack (which will prevent him from visiting his son for Christmas; I'll miss him), and my friend honestly believes his father had the heart attack because he eats too much low-fat food and not enough animal fat! Seriously! I sure hope his father's doctor has more sensible advice about diet.

User: sally | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: Excuse me. Don't you mean: Jesus is probably spinning in His grave? Hmm? C'mon, people! Hugs & kisses, everybody! Merry Christmas!

User: El Supremo | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: King of the World: Jesus is probably spinning in his grave, man.

User: ¦ - and the Oscar goes to...New Zealand! | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: Anton: Already did...An epic..New Zealand, swords, Uruk-Hai and THC don't mix...

Alta: While the Atkins diet can result in rapid weight loss and loweres LDL cholesterol short term, long-term it results in insulin resistance and risk of TypeII diabetes...Dr Atkins had a heart attack 6 months ago - I think that speaks for itself...beans & rice - throw in an egg or eggnog (lofat)

User: Altamira | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: Mu,

Thanks for the advice. I'm sure you all will enjoy your delicious dinner.

Hutch,

Good to hear from you! Thank you also for the advice. I used to think the line was "she serves the smooth red cedar," which makes no sense at all.

Speaking of comestibles, I might go out to dinner tonight--it depends on when I get off from work; I have a lot to catch up on. I still need to wrap the presents for the party tomorrow and peel a head of garlic for the host. She doesn't like Christmas presents in general, but she likes to receive peeled garlic. For the party menu, I've been asked to bring salad ingredients--I'd better take a good amount because the host and most of the guests are on the Atkins diet and I'm a vegan, so I may have nothing else to eat! I'll still have a good time, though.

User: king of the world.................................... | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: CHRISTMAS--- A TIME TO CHANGE YOUR SOCKS

It was Christmas time but nobody knew it cause the kid hadn't been born yet. Yes, it's that story about that Very Clean Impregnation which had nothing whatsoever to do with sex-- THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH-- I mean, THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD OVER AND OVER AGAIN. First, a bunch of big, hairy gorillas jumped up and down a lot and threw cream pies in each other's faces. Then Mary and Joseph burst upon the scene, wreaking havoc among the defenceless citizenry of Bethlehem or King of Prussia, Pennsylvania.* Within minutes, three thousand people were dead, and six hundred developed slight rashes on their inner thighs and forearms due to stress. Nine million people had hangnails. Joseph cautioned Mary on over-exerting herself, because she was eleven months pregnant and was certain to give birth in five minutes, even though they'd never had sex, or so Mary claimed, though it had seemed like sex to Joseph.

They made a beeline for a nearby manger, because Joseph said it was where all the truck drivers had their babies. Sure enough, the place was packed with burly, sweaty truckers lying on the ground, moaning. Joseph unloaded their sixteen bulging pieces of Samsonite luggage from Mary's shoulders, toppled her over onto her back, spread her legs, and yelled, "Push! Push! Push! GO TEAM!! RAH RAH RAH!!" There was, inexplicably, the sound of one of those things behind a door that keeps it from banging into the wall being pulled back and released, and the newborn bundle of joy shot across the barn, and landed deep within a haystack. Umbilical cords being what they are, Mary instantly followed, arms and legs flailing. Then some more messy, gooey stuff happened and got cleaned up. Joseph passed out imaginary cigars to the truck drivers, who beat him to a pulp.

Mary laid the infant in the manger, posed for a representative from a plastic Christmas lawn manger-scene company, picked up the baby, and said, "We have to give him a name." "Couldn't we sell him one?" Joseph queried, whereupon Mary hit him over the head with her rubber chicken, and old family heirloom. Despite this humiliating comedy relief, Joseph spoke again. "I have the perfect name: Jesus!!" "What do you men know," Mary snapped. "I'm calling him 'Wampum Placemat, Junior!!'"

And so, their one shining moment in history over, Mary and Joseph left the barn, carrying their son Wampum Placemat Junior of Bethlehem or King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, Savior of humanity, in two of their four arms. They passed the Three Wise Asses in the street, laden with myrrh and Franken-Berry breakfast cereal. They were late again, as usual.

*---Probably not.

User: Luckless Pedestrian at home | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: jim# - 5:00 Vespers at St Paul's in London is a must for you! It is chilling and one of the most spiritual things you can do for yourself!

Still negotiating, but the lobbying efforts of the kids are wearing the barrister of the house down - LOL!!!

User: Cyn | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: 
Merry Christmas to all the good Steely folk !

With the Englishman here we've changed our traditional "English dinner" for an American one. But the eating starts this evening sitting in front of the tree picnic style with:

Clams steamed in garlic, olive oil and a dash of wine
King prawns sautee'd in garlic and olive oil
Teri-yake beef strips kabobs
Chicken breast picata strips kabobs
French Country Pate'
fresh mozzarella and tomatos
fresh asparagus
Crusty French bread
"Sister-in-Law Nancy's Killer Apple pie" and vanilla ice cream

Christmas Day:
Roast Fresh turkey
Oyster dressing (inside the bird)
Traditional dressing
Mashed potatoes
roasted potatoes
Brussels sprouts
Cauliflower
Corn
Yorkshire Pudding
Giblet Gravy
Roasted garlic gravy
Mincemeat Tarts with Devon triple cream
Pumpkin Custard pie
crusty rolls

And we haven't chosen the wines yet...but we'll end with a nice sniffer of Baileys.

Looks like I better get cooking....HA!

User: Duncan, Linda & Dan | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: Could be my last post of 02 !!!
Well where to startà
Big thanks to everyone here, you've helped to make quite a horrible year great for me.
To everyone I had the good fortune to meet a pleasure.
And to everyone I didn't get to meet.. 03 ? I hope

Whatever you're doing try to do it safely & I'll see you next year.

A big Happy Birthday to Dan for the 27th

I'll be thinking of you all
Take care

db

Cheers Pat :)

User: Beerberian in a Santa hat | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: No snow at Christmas No peace on earth
But Seasons greetings for what itÆs worth

User: Jim# | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: A thing I always do at this time of the year: Listen to "Nine Lessons and Carols" from King's College, Cambridge. Generally available on NPR today or tomorrow.

There's something about a twelve year old male soprano, singing solo in a hushed cathedral, that always sends a reflective chill.

Very best wishes to all the Steely folk.

User: Anton | Month: 11 | Day: 24

Message: ¦: So are you smoking pot before or after you eat?

P.S. Go see that movie made in New Zealand. You know, the one that kicks ass when you see it high.

Mir,

Anton

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: H, Alta: hey, that was just faux Euro snobbery...Since virtually no one Austin drinks wine, except for a fruity and dusty local product, virtually any wine is uhhh cheap in Texas...lol...but it works on the Lasagna - Pinot Noir is a tart and mischevious red, which is exactly what's needed...

My wife cooked a heck of a pot roast in a bag with red potatoes, onions, onion soup, and baby carrots tonight as family descended ducking the tornados. When I was a kid, my Dad was a meat and potatoes guy, like his Dad, until we (my mom and 2 of the kids) slowly converted him with Italian cooking and more - once the other 2 kids would eat something besides hamburgers and Mac & cheese...anyway, now it's specialty everything for my Dad (we created a monster) and it's been I bet 20 years since I had a pot roast...the time off allowed the proper amount of appreciation for this one...

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Hey there are some excellent Bluegrass musicians.. Give Gillian Welsh a listen. Her voice is as pure and unadorned as a mountain spring. The lyrics to her songs have an honesty that touches one's soul, very much like the poetry of Robert Frost. Dave Rawlings is an outstanding musician. His hammer-claw style of banjo picking is quite good.
For a laugh, Give a band called Hayseed Dixie a try. They have done AC/DC's music in bluegrass style. It's a hoot. Think I'm gonna pass on the Bluegrass version of the wall though.....LMAO

User: Reefer Madness | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Pat,

Your poor atrophied drug-soaked brain has once again led you astray.
Alan Parsons was great, is great, and will continue to be great.

Metallica..., now THEY sucked!

User: Hutch | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Alta! Nice to see you here again.
Actually I had always thought of Turning Leaf as a more or less commercial mass-produced wine (which it really is) but that wouldn't necessarily mean "cheap" in my book. What turned my head around on Turning Leaf was that I started finding these bottles of their '97 Cabernet Sauvignon and I thought "well it might be a commercial wine but it's a '97 so it's probably alright". It was outstanding. A real value. And I think anyone who looks down their nose at you bringing that wine to a party would be a wine snob and probably not worthy of your attention.
Get all the '99 Cabs you can. It's the best vintage since '97.

Hmmm... no Dan content above. Maybe I can tie it in somehow...

Right. Mis-heard lyrics dept.
For quite some time I thought that line in Home At Last, "She serves the smooth retsina" was "She serves the spoonbread easy". Couldn't figure out what the hell that bit about the spoonbread was supposed to mean.
If any of y'all don't know what spoonbread is Midnite Cruiser will explain it to you later.

Here's to the New One.
Here's to all the good folks on the GB.
And here's to peace on Earth. I hope we get there one day.

Hutch

User: Altamira | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Mu,

My last message looked a little ambiguous in tone after I took a third look at it. What I meant is that I'm glad you warned me before I made a fool of myself by taking an inferior wine to a party. Thank you! You sound like an excellent cook, by the way, as does LP.

User: Altamira | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Mu,

So you consider Turning Leaf Pinot Noir to be cheap Northern California wine? I've taken other Turning Leaf varieties to parties and had them quite well received. Is it all of Turning Leaf's wines that you consider less good or is it only the Pinot Noir? I'd hate to show up at someone's house with a bottle of it and have people laughing at me behind my back! Thanks.

User: jjeff | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Tones and Pat: I was about to give up on you two but you came through very nicely. Thanks for the colour. I was wondering what he did for Signal To Noise? Overdubbed Ali Khan?

lcpaul: Merry Christmas! Do you decorate a tree? I was talking to some Swiss people who pay the equivalent of 18$ for 2 small fir limbs. A full tree cost 180$. Me, I just went into the woods and cut down the hardest lookin' thing I could find. Why cut down something beautiful for a couple of weeks enjoyment?

User: Jaydubz | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Happy Holidaze to all!!!

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Yorkshire pudding? save me the black, salty stuff! yum...

I've got a bottle of Turning Leaf Pinot Noir...and it's going into the Familia Lasagna for Christmas meal...the hot sausage is ready! Gonna maka da tasty meatballs ...I learned a trick a couple of years ago that near the end of the sauteTing of 4 onions and 30 cloves of garlic in extra vrigin olive oil - glaze the sucka with a vat of cheap NoCal wine...then badda bing Basil, oregano and badda boom tomato puree, red pepper, paste, and diced pear tomatoes, cook half the day. Boil or make the noodles, layer with sauce, noodles, shredded (not grated) parmesan, ricotta, mozerella, repeat and rinse, bake at 350¦ for 60 min while making an exercise schedule for the New Year!

User: lp, one more time, can you tell it's slow here at work? | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: hello tones - here is the menu:

Christmas Eve:

well, this is still in negotation...the children have voted for ham, but it is under a veto consideration from the man of the house

it is hoped resolution will occur in the grocery store tomorrow (***gee, i have to work tomorrow, what a bummer***)

Christmas dinner, simple this year:

martini's and the even more festive toast of negroni's to start

we invited the local "bagel nazi" to dinner who will likely bring foccaccia bread, our offering will likely be english cheeses and crackers

roast beast
yorkshire pudding
brussel sprout slaw with warm bacon dressing (addicted to this from Thanksgiving)
goerge washington's favorite onion casserole (see note above)
creamed potato with garlic (i really miss our AGA)

i'm thinking beaujolais from france, of course - it's light, i realize, but a heavy dinner sometimes can command a lighter wine, no?

dessert: indian pudding with french vanilla ice cream - this has become our industry standard and we didn't get to it Thanksgiving weekend so we need our fix - our guest makes a good apple pie which will also be available

i'm attempting to reach in vain my lobster guy to get lobsters for our second Christmas feast with husband's family driving up for Friday night - low tide is during daylight that day so a first course of mussels/clams will be a definite - clams may be tough because we missed the right moon phase for that nice extreme low tide

lots of maine history books, fiction too, and coastal-location mysteries are planned for gift giving this year as well

User: Altamira | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Well, I celebrate Winter Solstice rather than Christmas, but I forgot to sign on over the weekend to wish everyone a happy Solstice, so now I will wish everyone a wonderful Christmas, Kwanzaa, and New Year's.

(By the way, I was shivering in dread at the thought of a bluegrass version of The Wall--there's nothing wrong with doing it, it's just definitely not anything I would ever want to hear!)

I'm listening to a CD by Bobby Darin and Johnny Mercer right now-it's bright, happy music, just right for this dark time of short (but lengthening) days.

Anyway, have a blast, everyone!

User: ok then... | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Merry Christmas lp... What's for dinner? :-)

Loved your Christmas story btw...

t

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: If you think Pink Floyd sucks and you think Bluegrass sucks, then here's a band for you -- Luther Wright & The Wrongs who perform "The Wall" in a bluegrass style are coming to a town near you beginning in mid-January. Please go and have a miserable time!

Tue, Dec 31st, 2002 Kingston, ON Scherzo
Fri, Jan 17th, 2003 Great Barrington, MA Club Helsinki
Sat, Jan 18th, 2003 Providence, RI The Met Cafe
Wed, Jan 22nd, 2003 Baltimore, MD Fletcher's
Thu, Jan 23rd, 2003 Philadelphia. PA The Angel
Fri, Jan 24th, 2003 Vienna, VA Jammin Java
Mon, Jan 27th, 2003 Winston-Salem, NC The Garage
Tue, Jan 28th, 2003 Atlanta, GA Smiths Olde Bar
Wed, Jan 29th, 2003 Tallahassee, FL Florida State Univ.
Fri, Jan 31st, 2003 Birmingham, AL The Nick
Sat, Feb 1st, 2003 Hattiesburg, MS Thirsty Hippo
Wed, Feb 5th, 2003 Chattanooga, TN Rhythm & Brews
Fri, Feb 7th, 2003 Nasville, TN The Sutler Folk Alliance
Sat, Feb 8th, 2003 Asheville, NC Jack of the Woods
Tue, Feb 11th, 2003 Springfield, MO Murphys
Wed, Feb 12th, 2003 St. Louis, MO Off Broadway
Tue, Feb 18th, 2003 Ames, IA Iowa State University
Wed, Feb 19th, 2003 Iowa City, IA Gabe's
Fri, Feb 28th, 2003 Pinawa, MB Community Hall
Sat, Mar 22nd, 2003 North Adams, MA Mass. Museum of Contemporary Art
Fri, Jun 6th, 2003 Chattanooga, TN River Bend Festival

User: El Supremo | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Merry Christmas everyone! I hope everyone gets what's comin' to 'em! hee-hee :-)

BTW, wasn't Nightfly originally released as one of the first all digital recordings? Digitally recorded, mixed, etc.? Therefore, what exactly is the difference between the CD & the DVD-A? Is this a stupid question? Is it the 5.0 setup that delivers something new?

Tanks, kids

El Supremo
basking on Biscayne Bay....ahhh!

User: Floridavid | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Here's wishing all the GB denizens a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

User: lp, again | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Can't we say Merry Christmas for this week anyway?

Hannukah is over and Kwanzaa (sp's) is next week, correct?

Happy Holidays sounds so empty to me, i always want to reply "which one?" when someone says happy holidays to me - hehehehe

off soapbox...

User: The Fez | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Fez here just extending best wishes to all you Dan addicts. Have a happy and safe Christmas and wish you all a happy and prosperous 2003.
"May the Force be with You"
The Fez
El Fez
Fezelino

User: tones | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Happy HanuKwanzamas everyone...

User: Aussie | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Awful news on Joe Strummer. Always liked him and the work he did with the Clash. RIP.

Caught our own Malcolm Hunter's new ensemble, CORE, this past Saturday @ Chez Suzette's in the upper west side....good French cuisine, nice crowd, and the trio rocked the intimate joint oh so sweetly. The set list was an exclusive sneak-peek into their upcoming effort: Tryin' to Sort it All Out. No blow-by-blow colour this time, but I will say that this latest body of work eclipses the stuff Malc did with Tycoon Dog...comfortably. Nice work Malc.

LuckLess Pedestrian: Dear June love: Merry Christmas sweetheart. Glad the club got approval....I was seriously starting to worry a bit about you my lovie. Glad you're coming around. This year let's do the Bacardi 151 in the egg nog. Love love love... Ward.

Daaano: Merry Merry right back at you 'cross the pondde.

Hope Santa gets everyone what they want this year.

The news about Steely Dan's upcoming effort was certainly a nice stocking stuffer....at least for me it was.

Aus

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: 
make up your own floatation device joke here:

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_732378.html?menu=news.latestheadlines

re: Iggles...and they fired the best technical guitarist - Don Felder...

Nightfly DVD-A - one for everyone...what a beautiful world it will be...

User: Dano | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Just a wee note to wish all you guys a great xmas and a Happy Hogmany.Have a good time whatever you celebrate, and its been a pleasure to meet new friends and great people from the board.

Remember at least once play McFadden and Whithead , have a good dance , a wee cuddle with the one you love, and act like a ten year old for two weeks.

Great Board
Great People
And thanks Pat for all the work mate.
Cheers Danoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

User: StAl | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: I was just looking at my post and noticed that once again I've manage to prove the 1980's SUCKED...

StAl

User: StAlphonzo | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: >...the number one selling album of all time is The Eagles Greatest Hits

And those bastards STILL charge $80+ for a concert ticket. Don't mind paying that kind of dough for an event like a Peter Gabriel show, but all those old fuckers do is stand there and play...

Pretty sure we've discussed this website in the past. However it's still a lot of fun to read through some of these concert riders.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/index.html

1975 - 1979 Alan Parson's = Great!
1980 - 2002 Alan Parson's = Sucked!
1967 - 1979 Pink Floyd = Legendary!
1980 - 2002 Pink Floyd = Hit and miss...

I love America (the band). Except that friggin' muskrat love...

StAl

User: bad sneakers | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Home at last !!!!

Happy festives to all on the GB (yes even you Clas)

A time to think of families, friends and stopping wars forever

:-)

User: lp | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: My Christmas just got merrier this morning when one of my bright and astute secretaries gave me my Christmas present: Dave Koz The Dance CD

It's a great release - has many familiar names on it: Lenny Castro, Jeff Lorber, Paulinho Da Costa, David Benoit, Ricky Lawson, Burt Bachrach on piano (!), Dean Parks (!), great stuff!

The easiest way to please me as a boss is music, LOL!!!

Giving my husband tickets to Dave Brubeck at Sanders Theater, Harvard Square, playing in March, for Christmas - what a wife I am, huh?

The Bar Harbor Club, Ward, received approval, the renovations are beginning to bring the old girl back - see you on the tennis court, dear!

User: lcpaul | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Mol - just cruisin' through saying hi and have a good Christmas and New Year.

Love

Paul

User: no-ho-ho | Month: 11 | Day: 23

Message: Joe Strummer dies aged 50. 23-12-02

User: ¦ - slapped her Fanny at NYC | Month: 11 | Day: 22

Message: Moll: No, no, that's Southern Exposure! MDs in steel drumming and the like...just looked up Freuline Dokterr - she received her degree from Columbia University...somehow the program is still very active ;-)

http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/physio/physio2/

User: p.p.s. | Month: 11 | Day: 22

Message: I didn't say Kiss "rulez."

I said Alan Parsons and Pink Floyd both suck.

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 22

Message: Jaz, you're too funny. Let's not forget Mott The Hopple....Now there's talent! LMAO... Miss you bud! We gotta talk Moody Blues again soon..
Dr.Mu, wonder where "Dr" Laura went to school? Probably Granada... lol I'm so unhip Mu,I only listen to NPR...(mostly classical)But I do remember having several callers when I was working for a Crisis Hotline while getting my Master's degree that were fans of Dr.Laura.... The woman is a menace.
W1P, I love Pink Floyd! My friends used to tease me, I was the only person they knew that listened to Floyd straight...Moreover, I can't understand why more of my fellow Banyanites aren't Kansas fans? They were great.
To my friend who calls me Wing, thanks for the kindness and your friendship. You've enriched my life so much. *hugs*
Floridave, was great seeing you.
Dragon, you're spoiling me ! The necklace is beautiful. I'll treasure it always. Thanks again.

My Viking, dream that highway babe. *kisses~~~~~~~~~~*

User: hands crossed | Month: 11 | Day: 22

Message: Your killin me Jaz'

bluz

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 22

Message: Ah, I get it: Pink Floyd and Alan Parsons suck and KISS rulez!

Everybody says she's looking good. And the lady knows its understood. Strutter

User: WJAZ | Month: 11 | Day: 22

Message: ...okay for that person on your list who has everything...here is a special "box" set that those of us in undertaker land have stumbled upon:

www.kissonline.com/kasket

"Beth I hear you calling and I just can't come home RIGHT NOW...."

carry on...

User: king of the world king of the world king of the world | Month: 11 | Day: 22

Message: Not sure how America came up, but their main claim to fame is that Bill Mumy, half of "Barnes and Barnes" (he was 'Barnes'), and the actor who portrayed Will Robinson and the bonehead Linnear on Babylon 5, and a well-known child who sent people into the cornfield, played with them for awhile. I liked their firsat couple of hits. "Tin Man" was kind of nice when the full version with the orchestral intro got played. They quickly became Mr. Sensitive self-parodies, though.

You know, Steely Dan IS good.

User: p.p.s. | Month: 11 | Day: 21

Message: Steely Dan is pretty good.

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 21

Message: hmmmm hnow 'bout that...turns out Muskrat Love, while recorded by America before Captain & Tenille was recorded by progressive country artist Willis Alan Ramsey from 'round here: Austin, Texas

His version is craggier and much musch better. Bunnell of America joked it was a "Multiplicity" thing, each copy got worse...

Ramsey only recorded one album, but evidently a number of artists covered his songs: Jimmy Buffett & Jerry Jeff Walker recorded Ballad of SpiderJohn, David Bromberg did northeast Texas Woman, fellow Austinite Shawn Colvin Satin Sheets, Leon russel recorded Angel Eyes, Roger McGuinn and Lyle Lovett have covered these songs...

1. Ballad of Spider John
2. Muskrat Love
3. Geraldine and the Honeybee
4. Wishbone
5. Satin Sheets
6. Goodbye Old Missoula
7. Painted Lady
8. Watermelon Man
9. Boy from Oklahoma
10. Angel Eyes
11. Northeast Texas Women

User:  | Month: 11 | Day: 21

Message: movie = move[sic]

User: ¦ - the mystery is solv-Ed | Month: 11 | Day: 21

Message: He's no Jung-Sta:

Lyrics

Tin Man
Written by Dewey Bunnell, ¬1974

Sometimes late when things are real
And people share the gift of gab between themselves
Some are quick to take the bait
And catch the perfect prize that waits among the shelves

But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man
That he didn't, didn't already have
And Cause never was the reason for the evening
Or the tropic of Sir Galahad.

So please believe in me
When I say I'm spinning round, round, round, round
Smoke glass stain bright color
Image going down, down, down, down
Soapsuds green like bubbles

Oh, Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man
That he didn't, didn't already have
And Cause never was the reason for the evening
Or the tropic of Sir Galahad

So please believe in me
When I say I'm spinning round, round, round, round
Smoke glass stain bright color
Image going down, down, down, down
Soapsuds green like bubbles

No, Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man
That he didn't, didn't already have
And Cause never was the reason for the evening
Or the tropic of Sir Galahad

So please believe in me

Dewey Bunnell's "Tin Man" was released as Holiday's first single, reaching #4 in the fall of '74. The song was a return to the soaring melodicism of "Ventura Highway," and it reestablished America on the airwaves. Still, Dewey Bunnell has mixed feelings about "Tin Man":

"The song is jumbled in my mind--there's not a lot of cohesiveness*** [duh]. I had really liked the chords, those major-sevenths. It was up and kind of bouncy, with a little Latin-y feel to it. That's how it is: I get the chords and the melody, and then I have to get some words."

Bunnell unravels the lyric as follows: "My favorite move of all time was probably The Wizard Of Oz, it still amazes me how great that movie is. And here's my classic use of bad grammar: 'Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man...' Another god-awful use of the language. But it served the purpose. But that was really the only cohesive thought I had. How do I convey that? The first verse--I guess that was a little bit of paranoia. We were being exposed to more and more sophisticated people, and there were times that I found myself with my foot in my mouth, saying things I wish I hadn't. The first verse is very ambiguous. 'The Tropic of Sir Gallahad' is a whole other image to me about being chivalrous or a gentleman. 'Spinning round, round, round, smoke glass stain bright colors...'--that's all just purely kaleidoscopic imagery. The melody definitely dictated those words, because it was a swirling, rising thing."

"Tin Man" almost didn't become a hit, Beckley recalls: "The single had stalled, and John Hartmann [the band's new manager] went in and did this full-on rant with Warners and kick-started it, and it went back up the charts again, which is very hard to do. John was not willing to let this die."

***Would we expect anything less from the authors of Muskrat Love? I had forgotten that George Martin produced their mid-to-late 70s albums including Holiday which includes Tin Man accounting for their clean sound which was built around their CSN-like harmonies...

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 21

Message: If Alan Parsons and Pink Floyd both suck, who's good?

User: P.P.S. | Month: 11 | Day: 21

Message: Alan Parsons and Pink Floyd both suck.

User: Unfortunately... | Month: 11 | Day: 21

Message: ...the number one selling album of all time is The Eagles Greatest Hits, followed by Thriller.

User: P.S. | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Dark Side Of The Moon has gone platinum 30 TIMES since 1973.
It is the number one selling album of all time and has spent 741 weeks
on the charts.

A truly amazing feat!

User: Bill | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: W1P,

Of course Waters and Gilmour were Pink Floyd, but I don't think that
Dark Side Of The Moon would have been the same album without Parson's
engineering it.

In any case "Dark Side Of The Moon" was without question the most
successful album of the 70's if not all time.

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Bill: Both Ambrosia and Al Stewart had some of the best engineering sound of the 70s this side of Steely Dan. Very open with a lot of depth. I did not know that was Alan Parsons...the oft overlooked Ammonia Avenue (with Don't Answer Me) may be my favorite...

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Moll: While Dr. Laura freely admits she that her PhD is in Physiology, you're right, the connotation on that type of show would be that of a healer or counselor of emotional or morale problems...hopefully, her schtick has run its course...I not certain, but I don't think the show has been carried here for years...

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Alan Parsons is an extremely high quality artist but let's not give him too much credit for The Dark Side of the Moon. A couple of guys named Waters and Gilmour had a little something to do with that particular album.

User: Bill | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: and let's not forget...

Happy 54th birthday to ALAN PARSONS!
Alan began his career working as an assistant on The Beatles "Let It Be"
and "Abbey Road" albums and then became the engineering mastermind
behind Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon" LP.

Well known as the founder of The Alan Parsons Project, he has also
produced hits with Al Stewart (Year of the cat) and Ambrosia.
His latest CD was "The Time Machine".

Happy birthday Alan! Aside from Steely Dan, you were the most innovative
artist of the 70's and early 80's.

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Mu, "Dr Laura" is not a Doctor in any sense of the word. She is an insult to the the people who have actually gone to school and earned that title. Particularly the Psychologists and Psychiatrists that are trying to counsel people with emotional issues. Her trite answers to complex problems are outrageous.

User: ¦ - I'll post slowly | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: The...point...is...Dr...Laura...has... made... millions...of...dollars...on..."family...values"...in a...less...than...tactful...manner...While...this...is...a...tragedy...one...wouldn't...wish...on...one's...worst...enemy...it...illustrates...her...hypocrisy. Dr. Laura's mother was elderly and lived alone with a bird. No one bothered to call or check up on her for months. Appalling. Outrageous.

User: ¦ - what's that breeze? | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Hey I'm!: look who's mom it is...

I'm playing in Pittsburgh

User: ¦ - evening scan | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Can't we fast-track this one?

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/12/20/vatican.teresa/index.html

A second miracle?! - if she can do that without the help of John Edwards (not your ambulance chaser)

User: I'm not quitting on you | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Moo;Hardly Festive ...........as if

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Always check up on your Mom:

http://www.drudgereport.com/laura.htm

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Hey StAl: top 10 KMTT poll for 2002

LISTENER PICKS:
á
Norah Jones
Come Away With Me

Carbon Leaf
Echo Echo

Dave Matthews Band
Busted Stuff

Various Artists
On The Mountain 8

Jack Johnson
Brushfire Fairytales

Sheryl Crow
CÆMon CÆMon

John Mayer
Room For Squares

Bruce Springsteen
The Rising

Carrie Akre
Invitation

Neil Finn
One All

I'll go with 1 and 10. Critics had PG Up, Elvis Costello and The Pretenders (had no idea) in their top 10...but then I've made it almost through the year without listening to top ten or AAA radio...

User: Petre | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Friendly fire US Pilots were on Speed:

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Two U.S. pilots involved in a friendly-fire incident
that killed four Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan were under the influence of
Air Force-issued amphetamines on the night of the tragedy, ABC News reported
Friday on its Web site, citing a lawyer for one of the pilots.
ABC said that according to the men's defense lawyers, the pilots were told by
superiors they could be found unfit to fly unless they took the pills.
Preliminary court-martial proceedings against Majs. Harry Schmidt and William
Umbach begin next month as a result of the April incident.
Amphetamines, known as uppers or speed or in the Air Force as "go pills," were
reintroduced after being banned by the Air Force in 1992, ABC said. They are
being made widely available to combat pilots to help them stay awake on long
sorties. Some pilots are also being told they'll be considered unfit to fly
certain missions if they don't take the drugs voluntarily, the report said.
The ABC report cited Air Force Gen. Daniel Leaf as saying the pills are
prescribed only in small, controlled doses.
The report said the drugs aren't approved by the Food & Drug Administration to
fight fatigue, and are grouped by the Drug Enforcement Administration as a
Schedule Two narcotic, in the same category as cocaine.
The report quoted Dr. Robert DuPont, a former White House drug czar and drug
addiction expert, as saying the pills could have prompted the pilots to "a
quick conclusion that is wrong." He wouldn't rule out that the pills may have
been a factor in the incident, ABC said.
The Air Force has ruled out the drugs as being responsible in any way, ABC
said.
-By Steven C. Higgins, Dow Jones Newswires; 1-201-938-4370;
steve.higgins@dowjones.com

(END) Dow Jones Newswires
12-20-02 1532ET- - 03 32 PM EST 12-20-02

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: St Al and Tones -- thanks for the words on PG. Do you think PG actually played music with apes? BTW -- what do you think about the Phil/Peter remake of Carpet Crawlers? Stevee -- any words about Platinum Live/Johnny Foxx's?

User: Bill | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Glad to hear that Trent Lott has resigned as head of the republican
party. Who does his hair anyway?

Now if we could just get rid of the other race-baiting mental case
in the U.S. House of Representatives.. Congresswoman MAXINE WATERS.

User: Beyond the Beltway | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Lani Guinier is a groundbreaker - the first African American woman to receive tenure as a Harvard Law Professor

http://www.kepplerassociates.com/guinier.htm

She withstood a smear campaign by both Clinton and

http://www.fair.org/extra/best-of-extra/guinier-queen.html

Rush Limbaugh

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/156584260x/fair/103-2240148-8053445

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: TRENT LOTT RESIGNS! YAHOOOOOO!

Hey, Outsider, I think he should resign from the Senate. Read Time and Newsweek. That way you can see his history of Civil Rights. Not made up like the excerpt of the article about Clinton that you sent in. I'm not saying you did, but the lady has to make up some lies to compensate for her lack of integrity.

User: Washington Outsider | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: OR

Wednesday, Dec. 18, 2002 10:06 p.m. EST

Lani Guinier: Clinton Pandered to Segregationist Whites

After he was sued in the late 1980s by the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund for failing to enforce the Voting Rights Act in Arkansas, then-Gov. Bill Clinton suggested to a group of pro-segregation whites that they were being unfairly targeted by civil rights laws as a result of the South's loss in the Civil War, according to one-time Clinton administration Civil Rights Division nominee Lani Guinier.

"In the late 1980s, in a particularly tense meeting in southeastern Arkansas - a section of the Mississippi Delta region where antebellum social relations are still in many respects the order of the day - [Guinier's friend] Dayna [Cunningham] and a local LDF cooperating lawyer were part of a handful of black people there to discuss remedies for a highly contentious LDF voting rights suit," wrote Guinier in her 1998 memoir, "Lift Every Voice."

"The meeting turned sour when one of the local whites demanded to know why, in his view, the whites were always made to pay for others' problems. Other whites in the group began to echo his charge. ..."

Guinier continued:

"Bill Clinton, the lead defendant in the case, took to the podium to respond. In a tone of resignation, Clinton said, 'We have to pay because we lost.'" Guinier said Cunningham inferred that Clinton was referring to the South's Civil War loss as well as his loss in the court case.

"Clinton had so irresponsibly pandered to the backwards feeling of the white constituency" in his speech about the voting rights lawsuit, Cunningham told Guinier....

"They try to suppress black voting, they ran on the Confederate flag in Georgia and South Carolina, and from top to bottom the Republicans supported it," Clinton said of the GOP on Wednesday, when asked to comment on the continuing Trent Lott saga.

In fact, the Arkansas state flag added a single star above the state's name in 1923 to commemorate its membership in the Confederacy, a design that remained unaltered throughout Clinton's five terms as governor.

After tapping Guinier for the top Justice Department civil rights post in 1993, Clinton abruptly yanked her nomination after critics labeled her a "Quota Queen." Guinier said she felt betrayed by Clinton, whom she considered a friend since their days together at Yale Law School, and was angered when he called her "anti-democratic" in a nationally televised address announcing he was scuttling her nomination.

User: Washington Outsider | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Trent Lott steps down!!

Who's next?

Robert "KKK" Byrd
Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson
Mike "tacos and watermelons" Wallace?
John "Weld took as much vacation time as welfare recipients" Kerry

User: Washington Insider | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Fezo,

Australia is next.
Better stock up on kangaroo meat and red wine while you have the chance.

(red wine goes with kangaroo doesn't it?)

User: Lars | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: C - good lecture. Is Rosemary still around in the house?

User: the potato, it is desired, don't you think? | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Presently " the lie being attached âPâeâC " mode
contribution person: Reverse side window
contribution day: December 20th (gold) o'clock of 16 50 minutes 41 second

But new òê (album) the timing which comes out is quick truly, don't you think? is.
Don't you think? two people of the SD when it becomes motivation, probably are people what which goes ding dong.
Even live tour, according to the biography when as for young time " the in America it turns you become tired because, the ear ", public it comes out it is shy as a * & * just a little musician in the enormous reason and are, the kind of people who are not from the ñ year ï= é- é- doing as many as 3 times to Japan, chaos powerful live being something which the * & & * new work quickly we would like to hear, it does. So and doing also sale commemoration tour next, desired the potato it is the âX.
When it is the Gary Ñ âJâbâc being entwined, don't you think? furthermore it is degree of expectation rise.

User: C @ W | Month: 11 | Day: 20

Message: Lars - Dakota Apartments, or the Dakota, in early Manhattan history, which is about kind of a hundred years from now (it's a young nation), the house was so far from civilization, on the southern parts of Manhattan, so they called the area up north; "Dakota".

Like we, in Stockholm, called the north part of Vasastaden "Siberia" not long ago.

LP - okay, she had to piss her brains out. But why in a bathroom?

User: ¦ - Ricky lives on The Lawn, Othell mows it | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: fezo:

2003: Iran, North Korea, and Mississippi
2004: Charlottesville
2005: Nunavut & The North Pole (Yes, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus)
2006: Mizar 5 & the Reefs of Kizmar
2007: Klingon Empire
2008: The Continuum

Quote of the Day: "I'm not wacko. But my point is already made. I mean, we're all a little wacko sometimes, and if we think we're not, maybe we are more than we know" - Mariah Carey. Tune in tonight on Larry King for an American lobotomy...

User: fezo | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: so when the economy is still in the tank a year from now who is Bush II going to invade then?

User: Lars | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: PG - No "Carpet Crawlers"? No "The Rhythm of the Heat"? No "D.I.Y."? And still good ...

User: t 0 n e s | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: St. Al. - Thanks for putting into words what I've been trying to say to friends for days now. My world has been bouncing ever since the first chorus of "Growing Up" Saturday night. That way he crawls inside a song (sometimes literally) to pull out layers of meaning lyrically and visually blows my mind. Other than Laurie Anderson, I can't think of a person who does that so well. You couldn't tell what he was going to do next. Another thing that blew me away was how focused his singing was the entire concert while he's doing all of that. He blew the intro to "More Than This" the Saturday night, when he mentioned he noticed the band looking at him funny, thinking, "isn't this the part where you're supposed to be singing?" which made him look at himself and think, "isn't this the part where I'm supposed to be singing?" Even that moment really just illustrated how tight the show was.

I've got a set list for you all:

Here Comes the Flood
Darkness
Red Rain
Secret World
Sky Blue
Downside Up
The Barry Williams Show
More Than This
Mercy Street
Digging In the Dirt
Growing Up
Animal Nation

band intros

Solsbury Hill
Sledgehammer
Signal to Noise

In Your Eyes

Shock the Monkey
Father, Son

Same set both nights. I could go on and on about how things like familiar steps he did that reminded me of moments in his previous tours, like little mind bombs set years ago suddenly going off.

Another thing I want to mention is how much deeper Up sounds after seeing the show. All the subtle details are so vivid now. My friend mentioned she was having the same experience. Easily Album of the Year at next year's Tonesy'sÖ...

Btw, that huge bubble-ball would make great alternative transportation...

t

User: Lars | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: LP - Pee her BRAINS out???????? C'mon - that's not a question of translation! And two times!?!?! Poor child ... Is there anything left of her?

Gimme that lesson on Dakota now!

User: tones | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: chere - hang in there sugabeare. Words seem so insignificant considering what you're going through, but I stole you some poetry:

When you stand up next to a mountain
you chop it down with the edge of your hand.
When you stand up next to a mountain,
chop it down with the edge of your hand.
Well you pick up all the pieces and make an island,
might even raise just a little sand.
'Cause you're a juju chile,
Lord knows you're a juju chile, baby.

wishing you big peace from the left coast.

t

User: you should see her face !!!! | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: Thanks again Ken i'm at home playing Joseph Spence to linda.

'' If i had wings of a dove '' sounds alot like somewhere over the rainbow.

User: angel | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: St. Al: You are truly on my list now. Can't get Sledgehammer out of my brain. Sheesh! :-)

Ed Beatty posted a part of the liner notes from the DVD A of Nightfly, over on the Blue. I found it to be very interesting, especially the comment on Kid-ness being beaten the hell out of him. I really want to get the DVD A now (as if I didn't before).

I have reprinted the comment here, for your convenience.

---------------------------------------------
"During the final mixdown of the album,I started to feel kinda funny,and that feeling turned into an even weirder feeling that had to do with work and love and the past and mortality and so forth. I wouldn't complete another CD until 1993.So I'm glad that I made The Nighfly before a lot of the kid-ness was beat the hell of me, as happens to us all."

--Donald Fagen
Manhattan,September 2002

User: lp | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: LOL! love that translation problem - no, she had to pee her little brains out!

LOL

User: Petre Parkre | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: Breaking news:*******US to declare Iraq in violation of the UN resolutions*****.

PP

User: Lars | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: C & LP -so todays lecture will be about Austria & Upper West side of New York? Thrilling!

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: Dakotas? There's where Ono lives. Upper West Side.

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: LP - she had to take bath or two on her way down to Augusta?

User: lp, again | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: hey mu: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030106&s=bergen

i know, the nation, but it's a good read

User: lp | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: Hi Ken! Don't lurk too much!

User: Beerberian doin his 9 - 5 | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: Dunc; Did ya get the mail ref Chris B ? ...maybe catch a Gig ?

LcP; how ya doin ?

bluz; Friday feelin' already

User: king of the world. It doesn't know I've filled in all 'required fields'.@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: "It'd harder to stumble when you're already on your knees." -- on sign outside church half a block away. (Very religious town.) A previous one: "Love is a hammer that will break the hardest heart." I know what it's like to be threatened with that kind of "love". I'll have to see if subjugation continues to be a running theme.

It won't accept my post. "Required fields" thing again.

User: Duncan | Month: 11 | Day: 19

Message: Ken your right ..thanks

First laugh of the day courtesy of Mr Spence

''Young Folklorist: Mr Spence, I couldn't help noticing that you play all of your songs in the same tuning, dropped-D tuning, and the same key, D major. Why is that?

Spence: I used to know all them keys! I knew 'em all: A, and B, and D, and F, and H...I used to know all them keys!

YF: Well, Mr Spence, if that's true, then why do you play everything in the same key of D? Why don't you use any of those other keys?

Spence: I got tired of 'em! ''

User: StAlphonzo | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: The saddest part is knowing it may be another 10 years before the show comes to town again. At which Point Peter will be in his 60's. I have to wonder if he'll be able to walk upside down, ride a bike and bounce in a big ball when he's 60...

What a show. I tried very hard to clear my mind of any expectations. After the Secret World Live show, it would have been easy to draw comparisons between the two productions. I mean, how would/could he "top" that orchestrated extravaganza? However, I knew walking into Key Arena last night I would not be disappointed. And I most certainly was not.

The stage was in-the-round. We had seats slightly off to one side of the stage but only about 10 rows from the floor. They were awesome. Because of the copious quantities of bourbon consumed pre-show, the details of the show are a little cloudy (setlists, song order, etc). Never really been good at details anyway. Some of you were lucky enough to catch the show, and I really appreciate you holding off on the specifics. Again, I really wanted no pre-conceived notions going into this thing.

He leaned heavily on the new CD. I'd say he played at least half of the tracks on the new one. He also played old favorites like Solsbury Hill, Digging in the Dirt, Sledgehammer, and, surprisingly, for an encore he did In Your Eyes. I thought for sure he would have canned that one this go around. I can't really describe the stage setup. If you're interested I'd suggest you check out his website.

I really dug the symbolism. The large phallic tube which extended almost to the ceiling only to drop what appeared to be an egg. This egg hovered over the stage for a period of time at which point the cloth covering was removed to expose a gigantic clear ball. Later Peter crawls inside this clear ball and begins to walk/roll around the stage. It looked like one of the clear balls you place a hamster in so they can cruise about the house. This album is all about the phases of life. It is rife with observations from a 50 year old man's perspective -- starting with the very beginning of life.

Peter is an enigmatic yet vibrant performer. He never, ever let's his audience down. Many people who dismiss him as being pretentious and pompous really do miss the point. Peter is always adding whimsy to every aspect of his live performances. He never takes himself too serious. He rode a bike around the stage during Solsbury Hill, he bounced up and down in perfect beat with the music while he was in the big ball (no easy feat for a 50 year-old man). He was all over the stage. He made us laugh. He made us cheer and dance like a bunch of 30-40 something fools. He played to directly to ME.

I have never been that engaged in a show before (except Secret World) 2 hours absolutely flew by. I can't remember ever thinking about anything but what was happening directly in front of me. As if I were part of the show. Last time I remember feeling the same way was when I saw Pink Floyd's The Wall in the movie theater under the influence of powerful hallucinogens. I SWORE I was sitting right next to Bob Geldorf in that hotel room...

Anyway, last night I only had the more socially acceptable alcohol to "assist" me with the trance-like state I was in. We got them out for 2 encores (3 songs total). No one wanted to leave. We would have demanded a 3rd, but they turned the lights on.

Only disappointment for the entire evening -- no Manu Katche. Can't remember the drummer they had but I just wasn't as affected by his playing as I am with Manu's. David Rhodes and Tony Levin, of course, did not disappoint. It always cracks me up. I've seen Tony Levin play 4 different times. 3 times with PG, including WOMAD and with King Crimson. He always elicits the biggest audience response when he's introduced -- people chanting TONY! TONY!. He's a freaking god on the bass and a serious presence on the stage.

I've been listening to KMTT all day long. The airtime they are dedicating to last nights show is unprecedented. This morning started with Shawn Stuart playing 30 minutes of Gabriel's music along with fan observations. The afternoon drive guy has been gushing about it day. This town is abuzz in the afterglow of the Growing Up Tour. If you missed it, I'm sorry. Watch the DVD when it comes out. I'll be first in line.

StAl

User: Tom Waits is Pavarotti | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: Duncan:

You are looking for Joseph Spence's version of "Santa Claus is Coming to Town." Great flatpicking Bahamian guitar.

kenvogel
(lurking)

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: Hey St Al. -- where's the PG report? How's "street teaming" for Keneally coming?

Has anybody here seen (or care about) the David Gilmour Meltdown DVD? A very high quality piece of work and he even does a Syd Barrett song "Terrapin"!

User: Duncan | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: Pat whilst were waiting
real site or joke?
www.deliciousdogs.com

User: Lars | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: ooops - I didn't know about Bar Harbor ... thought it was Athen's Sports Bar at Broad Street. Thanks for the lesson and can't wait to the next. Dakotas ... mmmm, that's a moped isn't it? German or Austrian made.

User: duncan | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: sorry i'm stumped !!!
trying to track down a version of
santa clause is coming to town by some old dude
sung in the most weird way..almost not english
this track has haunted me for years !!!
really bad singing & playing in near english...
any clues ?

Pat where's the colour ?

User: lp | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: Uh, that's Augusta, Maine, gentlemen, the capital city of the state, and its principal river is the Kennebec - (my mom taught me a song as a kid of all the states, their capitals and their principal rivers, who knew)

Your geography lesson for today is now completed, tomorrow, the Dakotas!

The whining was from me on the way down due to her necessary 2 bathroom stops and nagging about where we were going to eat for dinner - she slept on the way home and was angelic during the performance, gratefully

Thank you Lars and you too Clas!

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: Sorry LP.

Back the tape:

A whining nine year old in the front seat. To the right, I guess.

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: DOCTOR MUUUU!!!

How many hours does it take to drive from Bar Harbor to Augusta, GA? And back?

Consider you're exhausted when you're driving back, and on top of that, a whining six year old in the back seat?

And the flu.

Appp...ppr... oximately?

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: Lars - det tar vSl inte 2 timmar att k÷ra frsn Bar Harbor till Georgia?

User: Lars | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: C - det Sr nog bsde och.

LP - nice color and it's easy to understand your feelings. But wait, is it Augusta, Ga.?

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: Never Mind, it's Peter Tjajkovskijs N÷tknSpparsviten. Am I sittin' on internet, or what?

LP - sounds like great stuff. Don't know if I had done it if it included a 4 hour drive though.

---

Kids - be cool and dandy over the hollidays now, and whatever you do, don't let the Good Doctor come close to the Christmas-fire, he's so dry, he'll vanish in a flame.

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: Lars - Sr det N÷tknSpparsviten? Eller N÷tknSckarsviten?

User: Altamira | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: I heard the Bolshoi Ballet Orchestra (well, they're from the same country as the Moscow Ballet anyway) at the Kennedy Center in DC last year. They were fantastic; I enjoyed seeing the obvious delight they take in making music--they were smiling and lively, and the percussionist was actually jumping up and down at one point. Of course, one can enjoy playing music and not physically indicate one's enjoyment, but the orchestra was great fun to watch!

It's great to hear from you folks. Bright holiday greetings to all of you.

User: lp, comparing and contrasting, judging and cowering | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: Last night, I took my 9 year old daughter to see the Moscow Ballet production of The Nutcracker - after 6 years in a row of seeing the Boston Ballet version, I knew I had to do something - It's a 2 hour drive to Augusta from our house, but it was worth the trip

It is amazing the level of grace, sophistication and discipline that are rolled up on one for these Russian performers, very unlike the Boston Ballet, I can't articulate the difference plainly, but it's there - the storyline was more focused on the dance than a plot that the American version focuses on and the children play a much more minor role in the Russian version -

The setting was in a civic center, usually housing basketball games and rock concerts, hardly the appropriate setting for such grandeur; however, the dancers performed oblivious to their surrounding, almost as if they have performed in worse places, likely they have - at first, I disregarded the performance because it lacked the glory, and boisterous display of the Wang Center's painted ceilings and moving backgrounds and enlarging Christmas trees but again, their ignorance of their surrounding during their performance made you focus on their impeccable dancing and all those things in the Wang felt like disturbances and disruptions in memory

Overall, which is better - who knows - there is a special feeling you get when you go to the Boston Ballet because of the theater it is set in, we also know personally one of the performers, also making it unique as an experience - the champagne at intermission in Boston was traded for a bag of Skittles, which made me chuckle in distaste - minks for parkas, glittered dresses for flannel shirts -

then I overheard a man, dressed, dirty, and disheveled like he just came out of a lumber yard and likely did, tell someone how he had driven over 3 hours to take his daughter to the ballet because he thought it was important for her to see - I was immediately humbled and was reminded that this is what it means when people say art for the people

I'm thoroughly exhausted today here at work, as I continue to nurse the stomache flu, but hopefully I became a little wiser last night

Merry Christmas to all -

User: Beerberian Tiding the Yules | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: Ladyz, Lady Boys & Gentilemen of les arbres de Banyan

Let me be amongst the first to wish Salutations of the Season to all

Have yourself a Steely little Christmas
May your heart be light
New one next year - our troubles will be out of sight ààà

Here we are as in olden days
IÆm off to golden days of yore
Precious friends who are dear to us
Gather near to us once more

Any Dan Action in Colorado ? Business Trip coming up in Jan To COORS HQ yehaaa !!!

I know that
In a year we all will be together
If the Fates allow
Until then, we'll just have to muddle through somehow
And have ourselves a Steely little Christmas now.

User: C @ W | Month: 11 | Day: 18

Message: Gina? Did you get that CD? I better send you another one, I guess the Swedish mail fucked up again. I don't want to nag about it, but email me when you've got it. No, SMS is better. We're going down to the C-house over the Holidays (there's a snowman waiting to be built).

Lars - I think that's true, when we're young, the music that fascinates us, are forever etched upon our minds. It will never be the same again, 20 or 30 years later. If I had to make a choice between Katy Lied or 2 Against Nature, I'd take Katy Lied.

---

Dr Mu - not that I really care, but, are you okay?

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Past my post limit, but

Facts = Reality? I never said that. I thus must question not only what you "know" about me, but also what you know about natural sciences. When an hypothesis is tested, there is a (1) null and (2) alternative hypothesis. The attempt is to disprove the null hypothesis or theory if you will. In the end, no signle experiment can ever prove a hypothesis. One can either (a) disprove the hypothesis (alternative hypothesis or explanation) or (b) we cannot disprove the hypothesis. Thus science is a game of endless iterations, a pursuit of the truth, and sometimes never quite catching it, the full truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. Only through playing "king of the mountain" countless times does a picture of a type of reality emerge...

Having said that, if a theory like (a) "acceleration = force/mass" (now otherwise called Newton's law of acceleration and usually formulated F = mòa) or (b) "heart disease is an inflammatory disease" stands up to constant tests and scrutiny by peer review again and again is something accepted more or less as "real" at least until the next really good theory comes around. It's a real fluid reality, especially in complex biological systems, much more so than social norms in comparison. The peer reivew system is not perfect as it is managed by human beings, but over time, it's the best system we have. Shared perceptions of reality iterated over time come to acceptance. Eventually pieces of the big jigsaw come together enough to write a lucid review or worse a textbook ;-0...

I cannot deny the possibility of the metaphysical; there may be m¦ons or maybe subatomic particles that travel backwards in time, or something that connects us. It's more likely that God is a really sloppy, but brilliant mathematician who's really into the math of complexity or chaos...kinda like Q from the Star Trek New Gen Series...those Why questions I don't believe can really be answered by science, so we must choose our own illusion...there does seem tobe a collective urge...why? who knows? I get tickled when anthropologists try to answer the why questions with deductive or Sherlock Holmes science...but a mound of circumstantial evidence (of course among a Himalayan range of unknowns...

Now by Reality among the human condition, I guess you mean one's perception of the world around them. Our brains are complex, chaotic, biological machines with all kinds of complex circuitry - lots if integrators, decision makers. Perception of reality in the human brain, and it is assumed all brains, is a picture that's still emerging. The prevailing throught derived from biological and psychological experiments is that a number of loosely associated areas of the cerebrum that give us an "illusion" of reality. Our genes, development, environment, our own behaviors, experience, education, and what we happen to be paying attention to at the moment on top of this robust limbic system. Instead of instinct, we have tendencies - the most malleable and adaptable of organs. It all this known? - well, it's the best picture we have now. Certain constructs like quantifiying and establishing reliability and validity are key in establishing common or agreed upon realities. Acceptance takes independent and/or irrefutable results. We "live" in a relative comfort zone in the physical science sense where Newtons' Laws rule (which affect you whether you Know them or not) more or less, except when attacked by the Mizar 5 crowd, between galactic space-time continuum weirdness and subatomic weirdness... In inductive science, we predict likely realities in populations, not individuals...thus assuming even a near random walk of thought and behavior patterns in the mid regions of Scandinavia, once could predict a general or seasonal patterns based on history and fractals appearing of Swedes in general, but not Lars or Clas.

...and perceptions change based on collection of new facts. for a while it was assumed that humans 10,000-20,000 years ago, since they were in small groups without countries, religions, but with tradition (the John Lennon model) were peaceful. But lately, a number of skulls in the Americas and Africa clearly show skull fractures and injuries that were a result of "blunt instruments." A strong argument for the twisted historical timber of human existance, the Steely Dan model...

But here's the cool thing though - much of our individual illusions are shared by others, in fact most in our species. A fractal, or sychronicity for Jung who like most, probably didn't know, or want to know, what to do with a negative number. Within a speicies, it is critical for most members to share the same illusion, or the species cannot communicate, and therefore doesn't survive. since there is extraordinarily little genetic diversity (sorry liberals and Lotts as well) in the human genome, especially when compared with other species, this increases the likelihood of shared realities or illusion.

Anyway, humans can have shared or collective realities. The color blue, for example, based on many test and observations does appear similar to everyone with a full set of cones...

There are certain "values" that most, but not all, share. We agree upon languages and forms of communication, which is important for our chaotic brains that like the illusion of order...

For example, most people would "know" what castration is...or what a lobotomy is and the sight of two building over 1000 ft tall crashing to the ground is...that's why, Lars, that was a truly bizarre fulcrum for which to begin the reality argument. Most people on a clear day will know the sky is blue...

Certainly, genes, experience, input, nurturing all have an influence on our "reality." If I were born in Indonesia, I would likely be a Muslim - accidents of birth. However, those that are more creative or have mental disturbances of one type or another (not to directly associate those, but...) don't share as many of our illusions..they're "outside the norm" which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Different perspective can mean new, fresh ideas...but our brain teeters on the edge of organization. One chemical, one hormone can f**ck the whole thing up and the whole thing falls down.

I don't "know" Clas (and how well does one really know a best friend or a family member), but some of the behavior patterns I've seen, which cannot not represent the full Clas, in a way reminds me a little of my daughter - I mean that in a good sense I think - she's creative, could sing since 12 months, is part of her drama club, but is the most peculiar child who is brilliant, bizarre, a mess, doesn't fit in, is senstive, outgoing, daydreaming, throws hissy fits, played piano for a month herself, then quit when we mentioned piano lessons,a real pain in the, but almost empathic... not to say that she'll become a graphic designer or play the piano, we don't know, but assume her younger brother will have to look after her...

In the end, some things are Obvious to the human collective and are taken for granted - there's no mistake when someone's nuts have been chopped off - but often it takes multiple independent sources to get a picture of a reality - the collective iteration...and remember from the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle to a Biological Study to Steely Dan the direct observer is always part of the system. Sometimes, the closer an individual is to a subject, the more bilnd they can be. Like trying to edit or critically analyze one's own work. It's far easier for me to correct and advise someone who's work is loosely related to one's own than fix you own work. In a sense that's why often people (wife, son, daugher, etc. will listen to friend's advice over a family member - the desire to connect and interact with the collective...and what is taken for granted today in science by the public is a whole evolutionary process withtestable ideas forged on the shoulders of giants

...all I really KNOW is that Norah was damn good on VH1, as she was on that hot August night at the Paramount Theatre in Austin...and that's good enough for me...

User: Deacon Bleeps | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Dan South
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Member # 24222

posted 12-14-2002 12:50 AM
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No, this isn't one of those loopy OT threads from SSS. I have two very "on topic" comments about the Seinfeld documentary.

The film follows a handful of comedians as they stuggle through the tedious, tormenting process of developing new material. Music and stand-up comedy don't appear to be very similar on the surface, but the creative process that the comedians went through was very recognizable to me - the obsessive perfectionism, prolonged periods of self-doubt, seemingly good ideas that go nowhere, glimpses of brilliance punctuated by cold slaps of reality, endless hours of work for a few minutes of satisfying end result. I found their stuggles and their ultimate triumphs to be very inspiring and I hope that you will, as well.

But the really, really, really important thing that I want to mention is this. Steely Dan's "Deacon Blues" is featured at a dramatic high point of the film, and the sound of that recording just swept me off my feet. - Okay, I was sitting down anyway, but you get the picture. - The song fits seamlessly into the story because it reflects the lives of these comedians very poignantly. Plus, it sounds utterly AMAZING on the theater's sound system. I don't know whether the track was remastered for theatrical relelase - Roger, do you know? - but man, what an utterly beautiful piece of music!

So, to make a long post just a tad longer, I would like to thank our esteemed moderator for his role in mixing this incredibly beautiful song and the whole of Aja, still one of the best sounding recordings ever made. I just wanted you to know that your work continues to inspire and amaze.

Thank you!

[ 12-14-2002, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: Dan South ]

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User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Hello my fellow Steely Lovers!!! I hope you are all having a wonderful Holiday Season. Please remeber to donate some groceries to your local food banks. I like to give peanut butter. It is an excellent source of protein, requires no refrigeration or heat to prepare. Many children live in homes (or cars) with no means of cooking.
Middle-aged at 35?!!! Oh I hope not... lol lol. Actually none of us know when our time on this Earth will end. All we really have is the present. Everything else is transient.
Duncan, thanks for the note and the web page address. It was very thoughtful of you. Please tell Mrs.Duncan hello and kiss the wee man for me.
Dragon-man, thank you again for the package of goodies. Joe loved his gifts. I am listening to the music you sent as I type. *hugs and kisses*
Aussie, thank you for your quick reply to my e-mail. Like the good Dr. Mu,
I hope Chere feels better soon.
Drew, I got your messages. Mine to you are getting bounced. As far as I know, the dates you mentioned are fine. Stan is going to belay for me. I WON'T climb with anyone I can't trust. We've already had this discussion before. Nothing's changed.
My Viking, *sighs* Try to find the book "Be Here Now" by Baba Ram Dass.Although I don't practice that Faith, I love his writings. Babe there are enough things that will require you to fight. No need to incite folks. I wish you'd stop wasting your fire on the trivial. I love you. *kisses~~~~~~~*
Peace M

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Ooohhh, Jung never said that, just a "possible" example of synchronistic thinking or drug-induced stream of conciousness hallucination? ;-)...America did copy the California sound (and the group did have a great sound, esepcially with their harmonies) - I heard them say just that in an interview - that's a fact, jack...

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Q: damn, just got home and no Nightfly...but there are consolation prizes for tardiness...negotiated ordering pizza instead of cooking as promised and 2 just caught Norah Jones on the VH! reboradcast...Holy Mackeral, she sounde stupendous. Clearly comfortable, and the nnix and acoustics remarkable - what's the venue Jimbo (?), much better sound than Leno 2 seeks ago and Austin City Limits next month...

lars: Thanks for the Jung link, but since he'd dead, we really don't know what he meant?...

...should also add that I *know* well most of the array or those mentioned, some are IN and around my lab now...and you actually believe you *know* someone from random musings on a goof GB??... ROFL...see Steely Dan I song 5...

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Q: oooohhh, on my way home - easier to find Tampa than the back woods...err fields in Texas - nothing yesterday...can't wait....

South of the Border, Vancouver, Italy...but I missed my postcards of the lobotomies! ...does Clas have his of the Euphrates or the Reeds of the Jordan? and just How would Sweden be affected? I except an extensive essay...

Aja: I'm jealous...I concur as would most here - there is a huge cultural difference between Louisiana (primarily south) and the rest of the US and almost as large differences between Texas, Louisiana, California, Washington state, Arizona, Nevada, Washington DC, Colorado, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachussettes, New Hampshire...as great in a differnt way than ethnic differences...but I've never been to Wyoming, so I can't comment on Dick Cheney ;-) !!!!!!!!

...and the subcultures - In South Louisiana alone there must be about 8 different kinds of accents...

...we know the world, because the World came here...virtually every country and may whose parents, grandparents or great grandparents born Abroad...and I've been fortunate enough in my line of work to have met and talked to (like not over the 'net on some lame GB) extensively with well-educated people from Sweden, Denmark, France, Italy, Belgium, England, Australia, Canada, Mexico, India, Ivory Coast, Egypt, Turkey, Germany, Iraq, Israel, Portugal, Brazil, Czech Republic, China, Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Indonesia, Australia, Netherlands, Argentina, Croatia, Russia, and on and on...My colleagues and I expect to be making international trips to meetings, with any luck, for the rest of our careers...I heard there's a bach in Cameroon...you've greatly underestimated our diversity and its ramifications...but that might be difficult to understand in a virtually monolithic state (yes I know there has been a large influx of Muslims there - and some minority of them Al Qaeda, but then they are in 60 countries including our own...)

...to expand on the logic, no one who is "middle-aged" today should be allowed to read, research, or comment on the Korean War, WWII, the Boxer Rebellion, the importance of Marco Polo, the invention of the pogo stick, the first "flight" in North Carolina or anything that happened before they were at the correct time-space continuum coordinates..."being there" has no subsitute, but sometimes one is just Peter Sellers...really, I smell a weak attempt at mind control or or relativism or condescension...we already have Hillary for that...Hmmm, not as much of that was amusing as hoped - ergo...there...is...no...time...like...now....to...focus...here...on..Dan...

User: Q for | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: "u" - did you get your DVD-A / DTS copy of Nightfly yet?????????

out today and - WHOA!!!!!!!!!!

Closest thing to the MFSL vinyl.

Blows away any other digital including the Japanese 24KT gold version(except perhaps the Liber and Stoller publishers disc-rawer and more dynamic, but that only comtains "Ruby Baby" on it).

A MUST HAVE!

Also plays in DTS if that's your thing.

BUY IT!

Q

User: db | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: let's not forget Cornershop also

User: Duncan | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Talking of new music...
Worth Checking out
http://www.polyphonicspree.com/

''This 23 piece band from Dallas are more than just a little bit unique. They have a choir of 10 singers, musicians on just about every instrument you can think of and they produce a very catchy indie rock sound''

User: Trying to make sense to Pat... | Month: 11 | Day: 17

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User: El Supremo | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Mr. Stewart: Oh yeah. "Straight No Chaser" should be in everyone's collection. One beautiful thing about Monk is that his tunes are so catchy, they're damn near impossible to get outta yer head! He was truly the mad genius of our times. In fact, Coltrane once posed a question to him regarding transposing a difficult passage or something. Monk closed his eyes and slowly spun around (as he was sometimes fond of doing, almost autistically). After a few seconds, he sat down at the piano and answered Coltrane by playing the transposed phrase.

Let your madness run with mine.

User: StAl... quick check before PG | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Randy: I just wanted to address your post. I did not direct that statement at you. That was for Bill, for it is Bill who has consistently exhibited the narrow-mindedness I was speaking of.

But Bill is correct in his assessment of record companies. Most of the real innovation certainly doesn't come from major label artists. If this is were you look for new music you almost certainly going to be disappointed.

I'm not a musician so I can't speak with authority on this subject. I wonder, though, if this innovation is even possible short of the invention of a new musical instrument? How many notes are there? How many different ways can they be arranged?

Actual Tigers are a band from Seattle. They once called themselves Willis. They were discovered by KMTT radio. They showed some great promise but they just haven't delivered. Signed a contract with a major label and took FOREVER to get the album out. They're like the next big thing that never was.

Off to EMP, and then the show. YIPPIE!

User: Lars | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: The Viking - if there's a loser it's probably you. Learn to recognize middle aged people. When you grow up you learn that the music you listened to when you were 23 will probably be the music you love by the age of 40+. Drop by later ... .

User: Aja.......SSDD-LOL! | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Hate to burst anyone's bubble, but you're "middle aged" when you're over 35. Sorry guys. I love being middle aged-old enough to have significant life experiences under my belt, but everything's still holding up well ;o)

Lars-the difference between Texas and another state, say Massachusetts, is comparable to the difference between Sweden and Italy. See, we get to experience the same cultural differences as you Europeans within our own border (and we mostly speak the same language, with the notable exception of Texans, deep Southerners, New Joisians, Bahstonians, etc.)

On that note, I'll be spending a week in Estonia after Christmas, with a brief stop in Helsinki and a tour of the airports in Stockholm and Copenhagen. Will report when I get back.

Welcome back, Altamira and Jim#! The second best part about a new one is getting reacquainted with wayward Gb'ers.

Aja

User: Mr. Stewart | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: El Supremo:
Great Monk documentary called, "Straight, No Chaser".....if you've not already seen it. Monk is one of the greats. The night Lott went down I was compelled to listen to Monk's "Dark Mississippi."

User: Bill | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: I wouldn't say that alot of the music being made today isn't "art".
What I would say is that alot of music being made today isn't
intelligent art, nor is it inspiring art. That is not to say that
intelligent, inspiring art is not being made it's just that major
record companies don't seem to be pushing it.

The record industry seems to be locked into a cheap, bottom-line
mentality that isn't really conducive to artistic creation.
All they seem to want is a song to go along with a flashy video and
so long as the record is cheap to produce they don't care what the
contribution to the art of music is.

The folks who run the record companies (at least the major ones...)
don't strike me as artists themselves but businessmen and women whose
only interest in music is how to make a buck off it.
Art has nothing to do with it...

(Randy is right of course)

User: Santa Claus | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Altamira! My little girl! Welcome back.

And Jim#!

The only one missing now is Santa Claus.

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Lars - aha! Thanx.

YGK - I happen to know that, it's pronounced HAUSTON Street, not like Juiceton, Texas, right?

User:  | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: "Me. Contribution person: Mongoose contribution day: December 6th (gold) o'clock of 11 51 minutes 35 second

Curator, it is infrequent. I, < 2 year > am quicker than expectation, you thought.
Somehow, truth it seems, is. February 19th, also sale day was written. (Various net information) appearing in the é_ and that day? However it is é- é- story, because (laughing), the previous production appeared in sale day, don't you think? -. Some slipping, it appears to first half, it is it is not probably will be or, * & *."

User:  | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Ysr appsloji is akzepted.

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: I apologize for some of the misspells.
OK? OK!

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Midnite Cruiser- I remeber seeing a clip on VH1 involving the Elvis Costello performance. That was one of the great moments in music tv history. However, I must correct you on thatbeing Costello's last performance. He has since performed on the SNL 25th anniversary show.
So maybe Lorne has learned to understand a little more or he probably thinks Elvis grew up. I'd have to disagree with the latter.

Hendrix did the same thing in 68'. He was on the BBC and was to have performed "Hey Joe" with Lulu who was hosting the show that he was perfoming on. Hendrix never did duets and thought it would be cheesy. So after the first verse of the song, Hendrix stopped the band, siad that they were going to stop the song and insted play a Cream son in honor of the band who was at that timne breaking up. So he launched into "Sunshine of your Love." After that, the BBC banned him from ever performing on their network again.

Costello would later say that Hendrix was the inspiration for that performance. Cool, huh?

User: Lars | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: C & Mu - (as far as I understand) we are "discussing" the difference between facts and reality. Facts = reality according to Mu (in a true natural-science way) but to me facts are to a very little degree a REpresentation of reality. It takes more than reading newpapers (of any kind) to "know" something. Facts (in a mu-way) doesn't help you much to "know".It takes more than that. But, to a man who consider America (the group) to be "copy-cats" there is little hope to reach some understanding.

mu - try Jung's concept of synchronicity on the line "And cause never was the reason for the evening or the Tropic of Sir Galahad." I've read a interpretation on:
http://www.cgjungpage.org/articles/viggianosophia.html

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Tongue in cheek

User: El Supremo | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Haunting pics, Cruiser. What location?

Viking: Nice bands, but you forgot Masters of Reality!!!

My love for Thelonious Monk led me to a Jazz trio back in 1995: Medeski Martin & Wood (they do a cool version/mix of Monk's "Bemsha Swing" and Marley's "Lively Up Yourself"). I've been a huge fan of them since. If you haven't heard them, I suggest you listen to any of their first 3 albums (cds, whatever).

Which brings me to my next question: Anybody out there into any new bands (jazz or rock) that is heavy into organ/piano and funky? (like Galactic and Schleigho, but with the sophistication of the Dan?) Too picky? I'm just looking to expand, baby.

User: Aussie | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Clas, Molly, and Aja: Cheque your respective e-mails for juju priestess info. My pleasure.

Randy: "I said there's an overall lack of innovation, and hopefully that will change, so we can hear these guitarists within the context of fresh, new, original material instead of JUST old(er) Doors tunes like "Light My Fire."

Just a final point on this, I promise.

You're currently here in New York City right? Well, if you are (or at least within striking distance) you should pick up a Village Voice or a New York Press or a Time Out New York newspaper (they're all gratis save for Time Out NY) and you WILL BE SHOCKED (in a pleasant way)at how many NEW, fresh innovative bands are out there busting their creative humps on a daily basis. There are so many cutting edge acts here on any given day that it's genuinely dizzying. Sure, many will never make it to the big time, but that does not negate the fact that work being performed is incredibly relevant. You need look no further than Malcolm Hunter. PS: He's playing a gig this coming Saturday in New York at an upscale Jazz club. Cheque it out for a good dose of innovation.

Yours,
Aus

ps: Dear June: Get bettre soon. I'll be home after squash at the Union League Club. xoxo Ward

User: Luckless Pedestrian at home, sick | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: wow - jim# and alti right in a row - wonders never cease - pop in more often!!!

User: Jim# | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: With the re-emergance of Altamira, we can fully expect the return of steviedan and Wormy in short order. Cool.

Nice pics, MC.

Looking to dogpaddle my way out of lurkdom any day now . . .

User: Altamira | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: I recently learned about the new Steely Dan CD about to be released next year, and I wanted to be among the company of Dan fans to share this joyous event. I've missed you in the year and a half I've been away; it's good to be back.

Randy--Good comments on creativity and covers. Speaking of Light My Fire, I particularly like Patricia Barber's version.

User: MC for the last time today.... | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: a Christmas Card to all the good folks here on the GB:

http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/Christmas.html

however you celebrate the holiday season, we hope you have a safe and happy one....we're just thankful to have the love of family and each other and wish you all the best in the coming year....plus we get new music from Steely Dan....that's *got* to be a good thing!

toodles,
MC

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: a few foggy morning photos from last Wednesday if you're interested....just scroll on by if you're not.

http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/FoggyMorning.jpg

http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/FoggyMorning2.jpg

http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/FoggyMorning3.jpg

later,
MC

User: Midnite Cruiser.....the week (that was) in music | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Brown Bidness... Uncooperative Elvis... Merle Goes Belly Up

This is the week that was in matters musical...

1901, Marconi sends and receives the first radio signal...

1957, Jerry Lee Lewis secretly marries his third wife with a nice bit of symmetry... she's also the singer's third cousin...

1960, Aretha Franklin makes her secular performance debut with a gig at New York's Village Vanguard... Sam Cooke dies under clouded circumstances at an L.A. motel where it's alleged that he attempted to rape a young woman... dressed only in a sports coat and shoes he gives chase to the victim, then is shot three times by the motel's manager after breaking open her office door... despite the three slugs, Cooke keeps on coming and the manager finally beats him into submission with a stick... by the time police arrive, the smooth-voiced soul singer has expired...

1965, Ray Charles' "Crying Time Again" enters the Hot 100 and eventually rises to #6... the country-inflected drankin' song is his 44th charting tune and another genre-busting success for the Genius of Soul who in the course of his eclectic career scores hits in rock, gospel, pop, soul, jazz, country, and R&B...

1966, Hendrix releases "Hey Joe," his first single...

this is a checkered week in the career of James Brown... in 1971 his "Revolution of the Mind" LP is released with an opening cut titled "It's a Brand New Day So Open Up the Door and Let a Man Come In to Do The Popcorn"... in 1972 Brown is busted for disorderly conduct in Knoxville, Tennessee when it is alleged that the singer and two members of his entourage discussed narcotics use with some fans... after Brown threatens a $1 million suit, charges are dropped and the incident is termed a "misunderstanding"... and finally this week in 1988, the Godfather of Soul is handed a six-year prison sentence on various charges stemming from a two-state car chase...

1977, Elvis Costello fills in for The Sex Pistols on SNL when the Brit punks are denied visas... producer Lorne Michaels forbids Costello to sing "Radio Radio," a number that slams broadcasting... a few bars into "Less Than Zero," Elvis stops The Attractions and launches into the forbidden song... it's his first and last SNL appearance...

1992, Merle Haggard and wife Theresa Lane welcome a new child who they name Binion Louis Haggard... that same day the country singer files for bankruptcy protection...

1995, White House documents are declassified revealing that the FBI has spied extensively on John Lennon... one of the included reports is critical of Yoko Ono's singing...

celebrating the end of her well-received 1996 tour in Honolulu, Alanis Morissette plasters her backup bandmates with whipped-cream pies...

1999, when an autograph seeker presents his guitar for Keith Richard's signature, the Stone walks off with it... the owner chooses not to press charges saying, "It's Keith, man."... also in '99, former Sex Pistols manager Malcolm McLaren announces his candidacy for mayor of London... his campaign promises include brothels outside the houses of Parliament, legal pot, all-night pubs, and legal drinking in public libraries... the punk impresario drops out of the race three months later...

and that was the week that was.

Birthdays

December 11: Yodelling Slim Clark (1917), Big Mama Thornton AKA Willie Mae Thornton (1926), David Gates of Bread (1940), Booker T. Jones of Booker T and The MGs (1944), Brenda Lee (1944), XTC's Andy Partridge (1953), Jermaine Jackson (1954), Mike Mesaros of The Smithereens, Nikki Sixx (1958)

December 12: Frank Sinatra (1915), big band singer Joe Williams (1918), jazz guitarist Jim Hall (1930), Connie Francis (1938), Dionne Warwick (1941), Mike Pinder of The Moody Blues (1942), Dickey Betts of The Allman Brothers (1943), Clive Bunker of Jethro Tull (1946), Martin Stone of Savoy Brown (1946), Paul Rodgers of Bad Company (1949) Don Baird of The Georgia Satellites (1953), singer-songwriter Steve Forbert (1954), Cy Curnin of The Fixx (1957), Marlon Jackson (1957), Shiela E. (1959), Eric Schenkman of Spin Doctors (1963)

December 13: Jeff "Skunk" Baxter (1948), Ted Nugent (1948), Randy Owen of Alabama (1940), Television's Tom Verlaine (1949), country star John Anderson (1954), Berton Averre of The Knack (1954), Tom DeLonge of Blink-182 (1975)

December 14: Spike Jones (1911), country star Charlie Rich (1932), Cliff Williams of AC/DC (1949), The Waterboys' Mike Scott (1958), Peter Stacy of The Pogues (1958)

December 15: guitarist Oscar Moore of the Nat "King" Cole Trio (1912), DJ Alan Freed (1922), country singer-songwriter Ernie Ashworth (1928), Cindy Birdsong of The Supremes (1939), Dave Clark of the Dave Clark 5 (1942), Carmen Appice of Vanilla Fudge (1946), Paul Simonon of The Clash (1955)

December 16: Tony Hicks of The Hollies (1943), Benny Andersson of Abba (1946), ZZ Top's Billy Gibbons (1950), guitarist Robben Ford (1951), Christopher Thorn of Blind Melon (1968), Michael McCary of BoyzIIMen (1971)

December 17: Arthur Fiedler (1894), Tommy Steele (1936), Art Neville (1938), Eddie Kendricks of The Temptations (1939), Paul Butterfield (1942), jazz guitarist John Abercrombie (1944), Bad Company's Paul Rodgers (1949), Carlton Barrett of The Wailers (1950), Mike Mills of R.E.M. (1956), Bob Stinson of The Replacements (1959), Craig "DJ Homicide" Bullock of Sugar Ray (1972)

Departures

December 11: Sam Cooke (1964)

December 12: session pianist and founding member of The Rolling Stones Ian Stewart (1985)

December 14: Dinah Washington (1963)

December 15: Glenn Miller (1944), Fats Waller (1943)

December 16: Nicolette Larson (1997)

December 17: soul singer Rufus Thomas (2001), saxophonist Grover Washington Jr. (1999), singing cowboy Rex Allen Sr. (1999), Theodore "Hound Dog" Taylor (1975)

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Randy's thoughts make sense. That's what I think.

User: Clas | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: SAINTAAAAAAL!

They're talking about reverbs back at the Blue Bore, Sir!

I remember the first band I was playing with, early 70's, we had this Binson Echo, a green plate-box with a tapeloop in it. Like a taperecorder.

Heavy stuff.

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Oh yes, and Tribute Band Managers.

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Lars - tell me, what's the Doc babbling about? I can't keep up with his drivel.

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PRESS STOP ò PRESS STOP ò PRESS STOP

My Gallery, my One and Only Steely Dan Gallery will have a new URL after New Years Eve.

www.steelydangallary.se

You have to blame the misspelling of "gallery" on the Swedish Patent and Registration Office.

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And, what the hell, "Gallary" looks pretty cool, uh? Looks like a word an old time sailor would shout out to the Captain.

Captain: -What's up with the weather today, SAILOR!

Sailor: -Gallary, SIR! Gallary weather!

Captain: What?

Sailor: -It's weather today, SIR! Gallary weather.

Captain: -Oh yes, that one. Back to the careen, NOW!

User: Moi Again | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: BTW here in the Uk 'Randy' means horny. To be quite honest with you pal, I aint surprised you chose that particular moniker. Heheheheheheheheheh

User: Clearly Far Too Young To Be Posting Here Anyways | Month: 11 | Day: 17

Message: Randy, I just read down and (o lucky me) caught all your posts. You need help matey, it's quite clear from your rantings.I take it CSN means what I think it does. I feel sorry for you, how awful it must be to be stuck in that infernal timewarp. Never mind, I hear middle-age aint that bad once you get used to it.

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: Only tribute bands are relevant, artistically or otherwise.

User: The Viking..................Interloper............whatever | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: Here's a list for you guys to chew over. Tell me if youve heard of any of these musicians, and what you thought.

1. Massive Attack

2. Primal Scream

3. James Lavelle (Unkle)

4. DJ Shadow

5. Underworld

6. The Music

7. Roni Size

8. Royksopp

9. David Holmes

10. Queens of the Stoneage (Grohl on drums.....ooooo.....i wet my panties)

11. Oliver Lieb

12. System of a Down

Hey, just my OPINION coming into play there, gotta watch that OPINION thing when it comes to music eh peeps?? sorry for stirring you all up, but theres some good tunes out there that got made after the eighties ya know.

BTW Randy. You loser. Get a life.

User: Randy | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: 
"Or perhaps imagine going to see, say for the sake of argument, a Jimi Hendrix cover band and the "artistically irrelevant" guitarist proceeds to smoke the crowd with a stirring solo while performing "All Along the Watch Tower" [a work, which curiously enough was done earlier than Jimi, so I guess Jimi's rendition is rendered "artistically irrelevant" since it was done beforehand]. Is that performance, or the artist "irrelevant"? I think not."

The post above ignores the issue of "context." One can do inventive things with older or cover material, but not much of that is happening is the point. Hendrix's cover of "All Along The Watchtower" was brilliant because of the approach he took and the new arrangement he gave the song; if a guitarist in a cover band does a great solo in a Doors tune, then a great and inventive guitar solo has been performed in a Doors classic; that's fine and perfectly valid AS A GUITAR SOLO; I didn't say "nothing was being played anywhere that was even worth hearing." I said there's an overall lack of innovation, and hopefully that will change, so we can hear these guitarists within the context of fresh, new, original material instead of JUST old(er) Doors tunes like "Light My Fire."

"But perhaps more unsettling is the issue you raise: "...just because people like something doesn't mean it's important, at least not beyond the fact that "many people like it." " You're a smart fellow. Think about that for a few minutes."

Obviously you misunderstood my point; just because something is liked by many people doesn't make it GREAT; it makes it POPULAR. Michael Jackson was/is hugely popular, but that doesn't mean he did brilliantly important work. If you want to say he's important as an example of a popular entertainer in the 1980s, that would be true; but so what? I made no point of analysis about popularity, other than to say that "popular" does not unequivocally mean artistically "important."

Your comment on my use of the term "artistic relevance" is certainly valid but I did make the point that it IS a RELATIVE issue, as all criticism is, and I only meant it within the context of rock history and/or rock criticism; any issue of art aesthetics or relevance is subject to endless suggestions of possible perspective. My only argument was that there are already TOO MANY bands doing too much of what we've all heard before, and not enough doing something truly different. Reinterpretation is fine if you can put an engaging spin on it.

I enjoyed when Phil Collins did his note for note cover of the Supremes' "You Can't Hurry Love"; it was a "neat" thing for the drummer/singer of Genesis to do, and within that context I enjoyed it. But it was no great stretch for him and didn't do anything for the song, and I don't think he meant it to; it was just for fun, which is fine, but I want to see more people doing some more engaging and inventive things out there; I think Andy Summers has been doing some fascinating work over the years - jazz with a rock oriented aesthetic, without the vacuousness of fusion, which is similar to what I'M trying to do. It's different and (I think) successful artistically, yet the rock stations won't play it because it's too jazzy, and the jazz stations won't play it because there's too much of a rock feel to a lot of it.

But enough already; it only gets further out and less interesting from here; thanks for reading; it was fun volleying with you-

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

User: Lars | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: mu - bet you're a good guy and makes research before every trip you take outside Texas. But once you get there - talked to the people; eaten the food, watched the traffic or whatever - your imagination confronts reality. Was it like the broschure?

User: Aussie | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: Randy: You wrote: "artists or bands that keep doing the same thing or instances where artists or bands keep doing essentially the same thing OTHER bands have done or are doing DOES invalidate them in terms of ARTISTIC RELEVANCE; if someone still enjoys it, that's fine, and obviously no one can take that away from anyone else. But just because people like something doesn't mean it's important, at least not beyond the fact that "many people like it."

Artistic relevance, by the very nature of what the word "artistic" means has a plethora of broad implications.

Summarily dismissing as lacking "artistic relevance" the work an artist is performing (where the same thing was earlier done by another)poses problematic results. What about concepts like artistic interpretations of earlier and influential art?

Or perhaps imagine going to see, say for the sake of argument, a Jimi Hendrix cover band and the "artistically irrelevant" guitarist proceeds to smoke the crowd with a stirring solo while performing "All Along the Watch Tower" [a work, which curiously enough was done earlier than Jimi, so I guess Jimi's rendition is rendered "artistically irrelevant" since it was done beforehand]. Is that performance, or the artist "irrelevant"? I think not.

But perhaps more unsettling is the issue you raise: "...just because people like something doesn't mean it's important, at least not beyond the fact that "many people like it." " You're a smart fellow. Think about that for a few minutes.

Yours truly,
Aus

User: Randy | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: 
"As we get older it's too easy to adopt the "been there, done that" mentality. It's far more challenging (and rewarding) to listen with an open mind and seek out the bevy of talent that exists in today's modern music..."

The post above appears to indicate that I am "closed-minded" in reference to my previous post (#3869), which is patently ridiculous (not to mention presumptuous); it has nothing to do with close-mindedness; I simply stated that little innovation has taken place in rock or jazz in many years, and that I personally have not been moved by many newer artists. I'm also certainly not the only one who feels this way; a number of notable musicians have stated they are disappointed with the lack of innovation these last years. I also did not say there wasn't any talent to be heard. This is not due to "close-mindedness" by any stretch, because I frequently listen to new bands hoping to catch something that interests me or that I find unique or different, and I'm regularly disappointed.

Case in point: one recent listening was of the band 'Actual Tigers' who's single I had heard on listener-sponsored radio (WFUV in New York); they're sort of a cross between Paul Simon, The Beatles, Simon and Garfunkel and Gerry Rafferty; the first thing I heard from them really caught my ear, and I was looking forward to enjoying a new band, but upon borrowing the album I discovered it was essentially like a more pop oriented Paul Simon album without the depth and high level of songcraft. Good, certainly, but simply not enough lyrical or musical substance for me.

Rock and jazz DO NEED to keep evolving; artists or bands that keep doing the same thing or instances where artists or bands keep doing essentially the same thing OTHER bands have done or are doing DOES invalidate them in terms of ARTISTIC RELEVANCE; if someone still enjoys it, that's fine, and obviously no one can take that away from anyone else. But just because people like something doesn't mean it's important, at least not beyond the fact that "many people like it." Certainly artistic relevance can be relative, but you know that some people think the Cars were the most important band in the history of popular music, and I don't think I need to further define the example beyond that.

I'm always aware of fans at concerts who sit there and scream for "old stuff" when they're at shows, and that's fine; but I'm always thinking I've HEARD the old stuff ad infinitum, thus I'm the one shouting for "new stuff" so as not to attend a mere nostalgia show.

I once had the opportunity to mention this situation to David Crosby after seeing a CSN show and he essentially agreed that CSN were possibly playing too much old material, but that he was not necessarily to blame for that; this is a band of veterans who have years of history (and different opinions) to deal with as well.

New bands have no excuse for doing what has been before, and if they decide to continue without anything truly new to say, perhaps they should assess WHY they're doing what they're doing in the first place. (If bands want to "pay homage" that's fine, but there is obviously more merit in originality.) I for one didn't get into music to meet girls, make lots of money, "party" or simply have a good time; I got into it to express myself, communicate with people, and to try and ADVANCE THE ART FORM. Maybe that's idealistic, but I'd rather see (and hear) idealism than redundancy.

Put another way, "to think is not enough; you must think of something."

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

P.S. Thanks anyway, Bill.

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: Aussie: Please give Chere our hope and prayers and thoughts - best juju possible...hang it there kid

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: Anyone see VH1'S Big in 2002 Awards last night? Saw Norah Jones perform.
She sounds very strong with each performance. Hope she'll get a chance to work on the new one (not the Steely Dan one, but if she does, that's okay too.) The hosts, Michael Imperioli and Drea De Matteo rocked. Maybe they should replace Jon Stewart come Grammy time.

Maybe Don and Walt has a song "in the can" about Drea. She's very hot.

User: Aussie | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: Just finished speaking with our favourite juju priestess, Chere. She sends her love and wanted me to tell y'all that she misses all of you. She has been struggling with recently diagnosed tumors in her brain and in some lymph nodes, seven herniated disques in her back, and a numbre of life's ill-timed inconveniences. Wanted me to relay that her spirit refuses to be broken.

Finally, she's jonesing (.sp?) for get well cards, holiday greetings, flowers, and anything else that you think may bring a smile to her pretty face. For Chere's snail mail address, e-blast indication of interest at my work in the hyper-linque labelled email above.

Aus

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: World

Nightfly DVD-A better be there when I get home:

http://www.steelydan.com/nightf.html

User: ¦ ROTFLMAO | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: C: So "Eastern Culture" is bombing the Wrold Trade Center - twice? Dude, it's not even Eastern culture - unlike China or India or do all Asians "look alike" to you? Ever been to Asia? Asia Minor? Aja in minor keys?

Are we saving the world or ourselves - make up your mind...we can't do either?

Yes, those articles cited do represent FACTS

"hey buddy, we coulda had some unilateral action on them North Koreans....I mean they're Bad. Hey, have ya seen that new Bond movie, I mean Haile Berry is Hot - see what real integration can create?...she has a whole Lotta stuff, ya know! Don't take any wooden Nickles...especially from Hillary"

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/15/nkorea.us/index.html

User: YGK | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: Yes, I did admit it, dipshit. I was wrong in one of my uses - pretty funny eh?
(and all of a sudden Patsy Cline sings, "Who's petty now?")

For someone telling a story about meeting someone on Bleecker Street and them giving release points, I feel the need to point out the error of their ways, as in knowing about NYC, and in the spelling of a famous village street.
Now, wiseguy, how do your pronounce "Houston", as in the street forming the Northern border of SOHO?

ygk

User: sir hadalaugh | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: KY Jelly; There are also two things wrong with the post that belongs to you...ie yours

1/ You're wrong and you know you are...

3/ Your wrong use of you're

Hey you choose ..............it's your choice

Bleaker, Bleacher, Blucher, who gives a shit? better petty, than arrogant! The premise that one was not there because one cannot spell the location one wasn't in, is fundamentally flawed , or is that floored ? Doh !

User: whoops | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: my bad!

gyk

User: YGK | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: KnightKnight: You are at once........
1. Petty
2. Wrong

There's nothing incorrect about my post.........

So go back to your sandbox, little guy.......

ygk

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: That's the 70's.

Did I tell you about when Bobby Colomby walked out on stage, opened the song "Something's goin' on" with a 30 seconds drumfill, and the band was so tight... bla bla...

User: StAl | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: Randy's post doesn't mean squat there Mr. Bill. Though I don't (completely) disagree with his analysis, just because music isn't breaking any new ground doesn't make this new music invalid.

"The Blues had a baby and it's name is Rock and Roll."

All rock musicians copy Robert Johnson.

So what's your point again?

As we get older it's too easy to adopt the "been there, done that" mentality. It's far more challenging (and rewarding) to listen with an open mind and seek out the bevy of talent that exists in today's modern music. Free your mind and your soul will follow. Or, sit on that there porch of yours and continue to talk about the good ol' days...

StAl

User: Clas | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: Hutch - thank you, it's not easy to find your way among Doctor's Dissertations.

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¦ - "(d) Fagen and Becker were NOT pushers, pimps, drug addicts (except for Dr. Becker's unfortunate problems late in Steely Dan I), mobsters, mental patients*, Nazis, Klansmen, Appalachian cousins, nuclear war survivors, gamblers, porn stars, or any of the other assorted skeevy or unfortunate characters that permeate their work when Pretzel Logic, Katy Lied, Countdown to Ecstacy etc. were created. Just because they did not LIVE IT, does that subtract at all from the relevency and brilliance of their work?"

You are confusing Art with Facts here. We're not supposed to do that, are we?

PS/"Beckers unfortunate problems..." That's what I call an Euphemism. You're not on the Blue Bore now doctor, call things for what they are; Becker was, at a certain time in his life, a Junkie. A Drug Addict.

User: Knight Knight | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: YGK; That would be "YOU'RE in the big City then" ?? ... at least get the spelling right twice in the same line LOL

User: YGK | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: Moll Man: are you sure you were in NYC the other day? don't you know how to spell Bleecker? it's gives credence to your post that it's really all BS.......

So if you're going to fawn off like your in the big city, at least get the spelling right.......

ygk

User: Hutch | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: Clas - Post 3852, section C.

User: Duncan | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: WIP: Pink news !!!!http://www.audiorevolution.com/news/1202/13.darkside.shtml

User: Bill@ok, before Pat has a nervous breadown... | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: There are a couple post 90's artists which I consider to be great.

The Red Hot Chili Peppers
A great band. "By The Way" and "The Zephyr Song" are quite good.

Freedy Johnston
Rolling Stone magazine said, "Freedy has joined an elite cadre of
songwriters; Bob Dylan, Niel Young, Elvis Costello ; whose brilliant
pop compositions turn magical with the addition of a defiantly
idiosycratic singing voice".
I've played Freedy's "Right Between The Promises" and "Blue Days Black
Nights" CD's so many times my CD player is just about worn out.

So, there are a few legitimate artists out there but they're few and
far between these days I'm afraid...

User: That's good Billy... | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: ...three dots...

User: Bill | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: Randy,

Your post (post 3869) is perhaps the most concise and intelligent
discussion of what has happened to the art of music that I have
ever read.

Maybe Pat should read it over once or twice. He might learn something...

User: The Interloper | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Sorry but you guys are getting REALLY boring, I'm just trying to help you.

User: The Interloper | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: post 3829 sums it up beautifully........"You see, Bill, time moves forward, and living things do this thing called "development"."
Is it not about time you lot did the same?
I never see anyone discussing any new music on this site, all you guys do is chew over a bunch of has-beens and musicians that, although perhaps good in their day, are hardly relevant today. Move with the times people, it may scare you to hear that you actually sound like the over-the-hill bunch that you are.
Keep up the Foo Fighters references, thats a good start, but widen up your little universes of musical inspiration, find new and exciting bands to discuss and acclaim, or whatever.
I'm well aware that this is a message board dedicated to a certain band, but surely it's alright to bring some fresh blood into the ring, constantly going over and over the same old ground must be driving you all insane.
Post 3855 - "LP, I am craving new music from you, how is the new Mark Knopfler?". I imagine it's shite and tedious, as was all Mr. Knopfler's selfish guitar twiddling nonsense. This isn't the 80's people, shake off the lethargy of middle-age and take a fresh look around you, there's some very good music about that's being made by people less than half your age.

User: Clas @ Fabbricazione... lavoro... impiego? | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Hi Lars - Ha! That was a good one; "Armchair research about Europe or whatever doesn't impress anybody outside Texas."

So Doc, have you ever been abroad? Or will Iraq be the first time ever?

You Armchair Tiger you.

User: Clas | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Doc - there's nothing to discuss, I am just stating the fact that your country are the Brightest Shining Beacon for Hypocrisy.

Go to this site and sign up:

"ATTENTION PEACE-LOVING CITIZENS OF THE WORLD!

Join us in challenging rogue states run by military fanatics who
produce and conceal weapons of mass destruction.

Rooting Out Evil is sending a weapons inspection team to the
United States to inspect the chemical, biological, and nuclear
weapons produced and concealed by the Bush regime.

And we want you to join us - in person or in spirit.

Become an Honorary Weapons Inspector
And Support Our Mission Into The USA!"

http://www.rootingoutevil.org

User: Ken Starr | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Just dropping in to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and noting the fear that I share a Birthday with Dr. Mu, my arch nemisis 8^). My only
saving grace is my impression that you are older than me. Out celebrating tonight btw.

If anyone gets a chance to see "X" with original guitarist Billy Zoom who are currently touring, do it. Great show.

LP, I am craving new music from you, how is the new Mark Knopfler?

Love to all the good people on the board and Peace on Earth, not likely to happen with this pResident but we can hope.

Putting my vote in for the new one on 4/1/03. Likely a duplicate but what the hell.

Out

User: t | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Disclaimer: the terms "babes" and "hotties" were another attempt at humor by the right hemisphere of my brain and to not reflect the thought patterns of the left.

User:  | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: not have an

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: (a) the point was that we were attacked by a network of terrorists supported by a number of rogue nations - what we should do is up to debate, but Clas is not really or ever has been interested in an intellectual debate...I've succinctly and, based on your response, successfully pointed out Clas' hypocritic holier than thou attitude...

(b) I lived in Louisiana (not that that makes much difference) for a while and you're logic is on extraordinarilly thin ice if you think St. Tammany resembles the rest of the US, good or bad. Hey, it's a fun place, but despite a much larger Fed gov than originally intented in 1787, the US is a loose association of states, and none is farther in left field than Louisiana. It's State Consitution resembles Argentina's more than the US. State law and tort are based on the French code (bet you didn't know that) and is barely transferrable to the rest of the US. It's extraordinarily difficult to move a law practice in or out of Louisiana - it's a whole other world. It's a provincial and interesting culture that's completely different from anywhere else...Edwin Edwards still raped the state whether i lived there or not...

(c) Yes, I've been out of the US, my family has traveled Europe extensively, I'm not a native of Texas, born in NY, lived in NC, FL, IL, VA, PA, LA; my grandfather was born in Europe, all of my ancestors were in Europe just before 1900 - so what?????!!!! Hey, I wasn't part of the holocaust - should I not an interest or opinion?...ditto for Hiroshima, Stalin, Mao - all still a reality...it's a weak and defensive argument and leads to the obvious and following IRONY of such a comment on THIS site:

(d) Fagen and Becker were NOT pushers, pimps, drug addicts (except for Dr. Becker's unfortunate problems late in Steely Dan I), mobsters, mental patients, Nazis, Klansmen, Appalachian cousins, nuclear war survivors, gamblers, porn stars, or any of the other assorted skeevy or unfortunate characters that permeate their work when Pretzel Logic, Katy Lied, Countdown to Ecstacy etc. were created. Just because they did not LIVE IT, does that subtract at all from the relevency and brilliance of their work?, among the best in the last century??!! Of course not. This will probably detract from my point, but (anyway) James Garner did not live the life of Maverick or Rockford, but he fleshed out those characters brilliantly.

Another irony is that there is a large sect of the entertainment media and entertainers who Do hold this against the Dan (not that it matters), ergo some of the whining post-Grammy and in some album reviews. These "critics" have little respect for musicians that (a) really care about the musicianship, construction, and quality of final product and (b) have a true understanding and appreciation for the real Giants of music that preceded them...

User: Lars | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: well Mu, the question was about first-hand knowledge ... . Even St. Tammany is part of the US as far as I know.

User: t | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Disclaimer: the term "chicks" was used in an attempt at humor and does not reflect the poster's typical pattern of speech.

I usually say "babes" or "hotties"...

User: t | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Pete's newly married ya know... obviously the chicks dig the goatee...

User: Dano | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: StAl , Pat yer damn right am Jealous ,I"m 48 and losing in the hair department big time mate LOL??

Have a good night at the show.
Cheers Dano.

User: ¦ - message from the contin¦¦m | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Lars:
Exactly my point - look seriously (well, that's mutually exclusive here) at who the armchair QB really is - besides, those URLs I cited are from a distinguished British Newspaper and represent events that actually happened, not knee jerk editorials. Clas has made an emotional crutch of whacking on the US merely for his own attention, though he knows little of us (Slidell doesn't count as part of the US - believe me I know)...and he hasn't been the only one. The US is far from perfect, but your response crystallizes my point, if you don't mind dishing it out, you have to take the heat...equal opportunity flame game...

I'm willing though in honor and interest of and in the Next One, to move my political commentary from 30% semiserious/70% goof to 100% goof w/ low volume if Clas will do the same...and I may even make that, dare I say unilateral, based on my whims only...

THIS JUST IN:
Trent Lott to speak on his segragationist hairpiece in 20 minutes...

User: Mandarin Plum | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: I think that Japan site may be on to something. They list a catalog number which is a Warner Bros. Records label number. That would tell us that it is NOT one of those old reissues again. Mid-Feb also ties in with the Piano Jazz show timeframe for PR exposure. Can we believe it? Could the new one be only two months away??

User: Lars | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Mu: me just a lurker now & then, but you're a very big shout consider¦n lacking first hand knowledge. Armchair research about Europe or whatever doesn't impress anybody outsiode Texas. Ever left US? Where and when? Make the world outside US a favor - keep to the fragtals and the stuff you have more than third (or forth) hand knowledge about.

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Re: Peter's "Goat" -- did anyone catch him on the Academy Awards 2-3 years ago? He looked like Uncle Fester. Trust me, the facial hair makes him visually palatable. Tony Levin is also on several of those tracks I was telling ya'all about "An All Star Lineup Performing the Songs of Pink Floyd" BTW, I'm not a lawyer when I post here -- I'm a pathetic tribute band manager shamelessly plugging my hobby projects. Don't forget it.

User: Duncan | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Howard i would like it very much if you would e-mail me.
Cheers
db

User: What Mike's missing - the short list: | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: a sense of humor

a life

a girlfriend

his car keys

his mommy

Dukes of Hazard reruns

a sock

his anger management meeting

attention from someone... anyone

his Prozac

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: My Viking, Why do I think you're f***ed up again? lol I ran into Robbie... He was off to kill his arch enemy Batman. I'm quite sure his madness is due partly to the large amount of dope he's imbibed. Just food for thought baby.. I love you *kisses~~~~~~~~*

User: Mike | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: T & Viking- What was great? What was brilliant? What am I missing here?

User: crackers please | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: Rude..Billy Barty wants your digits !!

Dunc..thanks for the chord changes

played today

Johnny Adams "look the whole world over"

Taj Mahal "mailbox blues"

Houston Person "sentimenal journey"

Stanley Turrentine "look out"

Randy Johnston "hit and run"

BB "six silver strings"

Jimmy Mc Griff "mc griff avenue"

J.J Johnson "trombone master"

Diana Krall "live in paris"

Bob Berg "in the shadows" (rip 12/05/2002)

Je me souviens
je me souviens
D'un jour comme celi-ci
Je me souviens

bluz

User: t | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: omg... that was just too great...

User: The Viking | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: Hahahahahahaha-wooooohoooo-fuckin class! That was brilliant - props to da little hairy dudes

User: RudeWaitress | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: The Lords of the Rhymes

Hobbiton, itÆs on!!!

IÆm Quickbeam with the masterplan

IÆm Bombadil with the mic in my hand

WeÆre Lords of the Rhymes from a far off land

And WeÆll Rock this joint with our hobbit band

Mirror, mirror on the wall

WhoÆs the greatest hobbit of them all

Bilbo, Bilbo Baggins heÆs only 3 feet tall

Well my name is Gimli

IÆm a fucking dwarf !

I been slaying mutherfuckers

from the south to the north

That ainÆt Mirkwood IÆm choppin with my battleaxe

IÆm on an orc stampede like Shadowfax

Now all you Boffins and Bolgers, Bracegirdles and Proudfeet
IÆm the skinny hobbit with all the fat beats

My name is Merry and IÆm five feet tall

I used to fuck shit up at Brandybuck hall

My man BilboÆs older than Gerontius Took

Yeah you can read about it in the big Red Book.

Quickbeam on the scene

All the elf girls scream

Like a tree, ThatÆs me

I Like to keep it green.

ItÆs the chronic pipeweed that IÆm smoking

When I get high I spin tales like Tolkien.

Well IÆm a hobbit warrior short and stout

I got the fuckin beats that will turn you out.

IÆll light you up like Longbottom leaf.

cause the orcs smoke the shwag, but we got the kief.

IÆm Quickbeam with the masterplan

IÆm Bombadil with the mic in my hand

WeÆre Lords of the Rhymes from a far off land

And WeÆll Rock this joint with our hobbit band.

Yo Beam, Yo Dil

ItÆs time to get ill !!!

We light up the mic like a Silmaril

FrodoÆs on the lam with Pippin and Sam

But you can call him ôUnderhill.ö

I named the nameless hills and dells

I drank from yet untasted wells

GoinÆ mad off the hook just like a Numenorean

I got more rhymes than thereÆs leaves in Lothlorien.

Yo, IÆm harder than a Mithril coat

A hundred is the number of the orcs I smote

I battled Helms Deep and I took Minas Tirith

If you donÆt watch out, IÆll make your ass dissappeareth.

HeÆs Smeagol, not Deagol

He step up to the mic, he look regal

HeÆs mean, heÆs green,

Gollum beat box like you never seen.

Go Gollum! Go Gollum! Go Gollum!

IÆm Quickbeam with the masterplan

IÆm Bombadil with the mic in my hand

WeÆre Lords of the Rhymes from a far off land

And WeÆll Rock this joint with our hobbit band

My rhymes are hotter than the cracks of doom.

The orcs got bass, but we got boom.

Me and Dil be rockin rooms

From the Misty Mountains to the Gulf of Lhun.

IÆm the King Ad Hoc!

I will be sire.

I was born Aragorn,

But you can call me Strider.

IÆm Bombadil and IÆll gladly sing

I got the song for everything

I got the number for Old Man Willow

Bright blue my jacket is and my boots are yellow.

Elbereth Gilthoniel !

we still remember we who dwell.

On the this far land beneath the trees

Thy starlight on the Western seas.

A Elbereth Gilthoniel,

silivren penna mfriel

o menel aglar elenath!

Na-chaered palan-dfriel

Which meansà

Elf booty got soul!

Elf girls like to rockÆnÆroll!

Elf booty got soul!

Elf girls like to rockÆnÆroll!

Merry Freakin' Christmas...ya bad tippers!

User: Pretty woman | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: On the Dunes, yes, some of Donald's greatest, most emotional singing since Dr. Wu. When he sings the bridge the second time, especially the lines, "...pretty women, with their lovers by their sides, it's like an awful dream..." you can really hear the pain in his voice. Awesome

User: angel | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: Mu: Got it! It only took me about 3 times before it crept into my consciousness. Subtle, but cool. I found that when I was looking for it, I couldn't hear it, but when I gave up (calling you all sorts of names in the process) and just listened to the track, it was indeed there. Over on the right side. That whole album is filled with unexpected little gems. Things like the finger snapping at the top of TransIsland Skyway for instance. Donald used lots of wind chimes in the whole album, too. Not only in "On the Dunes". Thanks for the additional information.

User: Aussie | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: Which One's Pink: Sounds awesome. Thanks for the heads up.

Ms. G: Happy happy belated. Warmest regards to Daddy G.

Shout out accross the pondde to daaano. Cheers matey.

Everybody: Have a safe and fun weekend.

Aus

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: As you all know (and I'm sure are quite sick of hearing about by now), we are soon to release our Pink Floyd compilation CD "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd" As part of our work, we have acquired a large number of other Pink Floyd tribute CDs just to keep abreast of the "competition." Much to my horror, in September a CD entitled "An All Star Lineup Performing the Songs of Pink Floyd" was released featuring 11 songs performed by some of the best musicians in the world. I acquired this CD hoping against hope that it would be bad. It's not. It's terrific. Why do I post something in the Blue and Yellow about the competition? Well because I know that many here are intense music fans and there are some tracks that ya'all might be interested in. Two in particular. Any Colour You Like, performed by Robben Ford, Tony Franklin, Aynsley Dunbar and Steve Porcaro, is a stunning take on this Floydian instrumental classic from The Dark Side of the Moon. Breathe (In The Air), performed by Robin McAuley, Skunk Baxter, Phil Soussan and Eric Singer, harkens back, to all things, Pearl of the Quarter and has a distinct and extended guitar solo that is well worth the price of admission. I don't want to pump up this project too much -- the other 9 songs also are terrific, although (in contrast to our project) the songs are all "hits" and confined to the same general genre. Anyway, if you are a Floyd fan and/or have a Floyd fan on your shopping list this is a unique gift that they will enjoy (and next year you can buy them "A Fair Forgery")

User: Dano | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: Duncan , I will be on the Irn Bru?? When is that game at the Riverside , is it on the Box!!

Ole , Can you send me an e-mail so i can capture your e-mail as my computer was muellered and i lost all my contact addresses??

StAl , That spelling was so funny matey , it done ma heed in severely.

Lisa G , Hope you had a Dooser Bonnie Lass.

Cyn , Hope you and Alan have a great xmas over the Water. When you get back maybe we can finally get a mini Dan fest with all the other mob over here.We should really try and get that sorted, with BB ,Duncan,Fingers, Sneakers,and all the other Meely Mob??
Maryland has had more snow in two days than it had all year?? Is that right Cyn , also on the news last night , NY looking Peely Wallie.

TWM , Are you hiding up the close or whit?? Come oot come oot wherever you are theres nowhere to hide Bigman??

Off to get the Train to the Game.
Have a good weekend everyone.
Regards Dano.

User: EyE iN ThE SkY | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: And behold, another prediction...

As the future unfolds, the pop music star "Pink" will begin to look
more and more like Ernest Borgnine.

(You heard it here first...)

User: Mike | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: Howard- Dedication? Don't think so. What it means is that when SD played in Rotterdam in Sept.of'00 they snaped that picture.

User: Howard | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: About the SD.com horses photo:

I missed the title the first time I saw it, but it actually says Two AMIDST Nature. Just a contrast to the "Against" shot from the CD, from the same location.

If the shadows on the CD cover are actually D+W, I guess that means they travelled to the Netherlands for the shoot. There's dedication...

Howard

P.S oleander, I'll go for 1st June 2003 for the new CD. I'm kinda hoping it will be before then, but better to start a little on the pessimistic side - more chance of being pleasantly surprised.

User: Surfside 6 | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: All I can tell you is this Beemer, this and no more, that the day
will come when someone of my elevated stature will be free to walk
the streets of this guestbook without fear of reprisal from the
powers that be. That day will come in due course, as our grassroots
campaign grows it will someday shake the very foundations of Dandom.
And on that day there will be a new order to the world, a new set of
ideas, and a new man in charge.

That's right my friend, one day you will be ousted from your lofty
position of power and my associates and I will then usher in the
new era of Dan. And as we work towards this end we can only look
forward to the future to come, a future bright with possibility,
where every Dan fan, old and young, will be free to accept my
vision of the world.

Until that day Beemer know this..., your days as ruler of this
empire are numbered.

Sincerely,
PeeWee Herman

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: Sorry Duncan. For your own best, world is closed.

User: Duncan | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: there was a link on here a few weeks/ months ago to a great picture of the world.
Can anyone point me in the right direction to find it again.

I may have a use for it

Many thanks
db

User: I'M THE ONE...who must make everything right... | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: RE: Post 3620...the LSD comment ...again...
Someone else can have my dosage...

WJAZ

User: Everybody now: | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: GOD MUST BE A BOOGIE MAN!

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: MAJOR DAN NEWS:

Go to the steelydan.com website and check out the dates for the airing of Walt and Don's appearance on Marian McPartland's Piano Jazz. The show will air between February 11 through 25 2003.

Cool, huh? Just check your local stations for time and day that Piano Jazz regularly airs.

User: StAl | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Bill = [is] Meshuge

Everyone should take LSD at least once in their lives.

StAl

User: Hank Silvers | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: ole: I'll take March 2, 2004 (in Eurostyle, 02.03.04) Here's hoping you're not in the path of that snow/ice storm...likewise Roy, Midnite & Opti and any others down that way.

No, we don't need SD to do Xmas songs -- someone in the alt.music.steelydan newsgroup wrote a pretty good parody called "Kid Santa Claus"; see Google groups link to it above.

User: JoeFriday | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Let me tell you something...
Marijuana is the flame, heroine is the fuse, LSD is the bomb.
So don't try to equate liquor with marijuana mister, not with me.
You may be able to sell that jazz to another pothead, but not to
someone who holds some sick kid's head while he vomits and wretches
on a curbstone at 4am in the morning. And when his legs get enough
starch in them so he can stand up and empty his pockets, you can
bet he'll have a stick or two of marijuana. And you can double your
money he'll turn up a sugar cube or a cap or two. So don't con me
with your mind expansion slop. I deal with kids everyday. I clean
up the mess that people like you make out of em'. I'm the expert here,
you're not...

User: Yo! | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Bill- Enough already.

User: 99 | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: and another thing,

did someone call me?

these white go-go boots are filled with sand...

User: lp | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: hey all on the yeller!

cyn - pretty please, can i have a burned cd of your burned cd? my christmas music is in storage in augusta so i have none - i have recently purchased dave brubeck's christmas release and the brian setzer band one so i can do a trade - email me!

hey, i see the capistrano swallows are back...LOL

User: James Franciscus | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: There are 8 million stories in the Naked City.
This is one of them...

User: The Man From U.N.C.L.E | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Codeword "Don Knotts"...
Come in "Don Knotts" over...
Rendevous at safe house stop. Exchange outtakes with agent99 stop.
Tail suspect DF (codename "Kingpin") and WB (codename "Czar") to
suspected music laboratory and report stop. Await further instructions
stop.

User: Beerberian @ Work | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Cyn; The boys must do "Sign in Santa" & "Greenland Earings" lol

Nominations for Xmas top 10

Fairytale of New York - Kirsty M & The Pogues

Little St Nick - BeachBoys

Happy Xmas War is Over - John & Yoko

I Believe In Father Christmas - Greg Lake

Santa Baby - Eartha Kitt

User: Cyn...again | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: 
pssst..Don't call the grammar police on me just yet.

as=ask
they're = their
Chistmas=Christmas

Danooooo...Not going to the UK..Alans coming here on the 19th til the 3rd. I'm sure I'll be back sometime in Jan..Maybe we can drive into London and go hear some music somewhere.We really enjoyed meeting ya...

Damn..forgot about "O Holy Night"..love that song, sung by anyone who sings it...including myself..hahaahha!

snakie???..Where are ya?..Look for email.

User: tomorrow, the world | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: 100101010010101, U.S. Department of Justice = Bill

User: Aja.........ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGG | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: Just needed a primal scream. HELP! The lunatics are taking over the asylum (and that's just my work situation) and I've been looking at scary inkblots all morning!!!!!!!!

Aja

User: help !!!! | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: struggling with computer inards..
dv mastering programs.. & stuff.
barly keeping up theses days.
Howard: any luck with the run off grooves?
db

User: El Supremo | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: Hey, kids. I'm doing what you're never ever supposed to do, so don't you go off and start doing it. People will hate you for it...at least at first. Hell, after a while everybody eventually simmers down, and before you know it, we're all cute and cozy again. Friends to the end...But I know what I'm doin'.

El Supremo

User: Randy | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: 
For those who have been following Steely Dan via interviews, etc. over the (many) years, it's very clear that Becker and Fagen have a fairly specific idea of what they want before they go into the studio to record it; this is not to suggest that they are not open to suggestions, variations, or changes, but then who knows (or cares) about such slight issues, as it's Becker and Fagen deciding what's what, and that's what ends up on the record.

Roger Nichols has indicated on a few occassions that it was only towards the end of the sessions for any given song that he began to see what it was Becker and Fagen were after in terms of sound and arrangements, i.e. only near completion of a track did he fully understand what they were going for - they knew specifically. Numerous sesssion players have indicated how "microscopic" Becker and Fagen could be in terms of noticing very subtle nuances on any given track within a song, and thus what was acceptable; who wrote what chart is irrelevant, as Becker and Fagen are the ones who determine what stays, what goes, what is effective, and what they don't like; mistakes were not acceptable under any circumstances (according to numerous sources), so even if someone else DID write a chart, it was Becker and Fagen who determined whether or not to use it.

As for the playing ability of Becker and Fagen, it's usually Becker and Fagen that give themselves the harshest criticism, which is unwarranted; their playing more than holds its own when put up against seasoned session professionals; they each have distinctive styles on their instrument(s), which is more important than almost anything else; Fagen has said Becker's solos tended to be his favorites (an opinion which we have in common), and who has more speed, bite, or technical precision is also irrelevant - it's what effectively served or serves the song, and being a musician and songwriter myself, I can say with some authority that they've ALWAYS done that, which is all that matters-

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: holy shit, molly, what happened?

User: Moll | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: Oleander, I always thought the lyrics in Dr Wu had obvious religious connotations are pertained to a Religious leader such as Sun Yun Moon.
Half way crucified equating to being in mental anguish. Most anyone who suffers from Depression can tell you about the dead days. The days seem endless, gray and dead. The lyrics, " Are you crazy...are you high" connotes that somewhat as well. Many times people who are despairing will self medicate.
I was on the other side of no tomorrow; again a religious symbol.
You walked in and my life began again, most religions teaches the rebirth or renewal one who converts will experience.
The line " All night long, we would sing that stupid song" is what indicates that it is about a cult type religion. I had a friend that was went to a Krishna indoctrination camp. One of the things she later told me was that they would stay up and pray, chant ...whatever. It's a very effective tool in brainwashing a person. Lack of sleep and poor diet are tried and true methods to break a person down mentally. Which the lyric, " every word we sang ,I knew was true" speaks of.
The line, "I've been strung out here all night", could be in reference to drugs. But it might also be religious in nature. Marx said " Religion is the opiate of the masses". He went searching for the song that Dr Wu used to sing ... What was the song about? Truth, spirituality? Even the phrase "Katy Lied" is a play on words. Katy-dis are what some people calls that funky looking bug on the cover of Katy Lied. But Katy didn't, she lied... How did Katy get to Dr. Wu? Perhaps by corrupting him with the wealth that was there for the taking...As in Sun Yun Moon's case. Maybe Katy is a symbol for our capitalist, greedy society. She lovely and sly... all the material things we are taught to strive for promises happiness and fufillment. Yet without a sense of self awareness and spirituality, the promises are empty. Thus the lie...
anyways that's my take on it... but liked your reference. I also love your web site BTW. M

User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: well the evil tower records dot com elves made their delivery today on the mailboat -

the wonderboys cd came (tones) and i must say, after its third play on my media player, it's excellent! haven't heard buffalo springfiled in years, and tom rush - forgot how much i loved them

i also received, from my launch dot com radio station i play at work (i really hate the "buy this" button to bink on) michael brecker's "nearness of you - the ballad book" - james taylor does a great title track, if you can dig it, who knew - pat metheny on guitars, herbie hancock on piano, charlie haden on bass, and co-produced by steve rodby (i have his duet with traut, it's lovely), produced by pat metheny - anyway, i'm psyched to own this release (2001, btw) and was surprised it was not well reviewed when i researched buying it - anyone else have this one?

i just ordered bob dylan's oh mercy and the dave brubeck christmas cd (i think all my christmas cd's are in storage) - i think i may need professional help (hello dr mu) - my husband is addicted to the clock section of ebay so i guess we all have our vices

has anyone heard any tracks from the new susan tedeschi release? (okay, i'll stop)

anyway, i'm in mourning today - our houseguests from a couple of weeks ago sent us yesterday a tv antennae as a "present" (i must block all suburban houseguests from now on), it's really just so sad to be re connected to the world, i mean, network tv, it's just too much - but i can't get a pbs station, what's up with that (angel!) - after the pat's game on thanksgiving (hey, i have needs), i may find a mechanism to have it, um, broken - it's great having a three year old, hehehehehehe

User: Bill | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: Clas, You're missing the point again.

So what if Fagen and Becker utilized the expertise of studio
professionals in order to put thier ideas down on paper, it was
still THIER IDEAS that were being translated right?

When an artist paints a picture he doesn't usually construct the
canvas and make the paint brushes, he simply uses them as tools.
It took the skills of many craftsmen to build the great pyramids
of Egypt, but it was one man's vision that guided the creation of
them.

The studio musicians who worked on the various Steely Dan albums over
the years were craftsmen who were hired to perform a specific task
based on thier specific talents, much the way a construction company
hires many different craftsmen in order to construct a building.
None of them has individually achieved the stature of Fagen and Becker
in the music world because Fagen and Becker more like architects and
less like technicians.

User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: It's scary that 60-70% don't vote? Not if they include the 11% that cannot identify the location of New York City or Iraq.

User: Molly get your stories straight | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: Problems with short term memory molly? Read your post 3401 again.
I merely said I don't find your so called viking appealing. I have never been called mousy
or accused of being a cold person. I am just not turned on by someone who wants to
tell the world how he jerks off in his Daddy's house until dear old Dad thumps on the wall
and tells him to quit already. So you find him to be a big turn on...why is it so surprising
to you that not everyone would?

User: spellCzech | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: our

User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: Jealous Guy...Yuck, pffrhltuuey...yech

¯: 2 within a year? ahhhh, but to dream...hey, that reminds me I'm still waiting for Nightfly DVD-A

Howard - I'd agree with the collaboration model, though I highly doubt Katz, and Donald and Walter would have lied about having stuff written down prior to sessions - but why not have people who are more proficient do some grunt work - division of labor. I can write code, but I'd rather related an idea to a programmer, and check up on them, while I do other things central to my day gig...

I'll have to check, but Fagen wrote the horn charts alone on some of Nightfly, Century's End, Kamakiriad, and some of TvN...

Whatever the case, the most important thing, is that they can't be duplicated by anybody, not even Toto ;-)

C: Keep lowering that % - I believe it was half...just think - if you had a decent socioeconomic system, you'd be kicking out asses...and your income might be higher than a McDonald's fry cook...

SAT score's plunged under Clinton - so much so, they changed the damn system (put in on a curve) for administrators' self-esteem

Here's why voting's easy over in Sweden

OFFICIAL SWEDISH BALLOT

KING GUSTAV MCXXVII ____________

UTTER CHAOS AND WE WON'T CODDLE YOU OR BUY YOU STUFF_____________

User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: B - really?

oleander - you posted:

'Gotta pass this along--a BRILLIANT fever dream:

"It occurred to me yesterday that "halfway crucified" means: with a spike in one arm ..."'

yet another drug reference - as in shot in the arm, perhaps?

or maybe i'm reaching again, no pun intended...

lovin this debate on the charts controversy, keep it comin!

User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: Amen, Howard.

My point is still that there's a myth that Fagen/Becker figured everything out before rehearsals and recordings. They were not sitting like Beethoven or Mozart writing scores/partitur.

---

Blaisie - what are you saying, a soloalbum from Fagen?

User: Howard | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: 
Back on the old SD charts and arrangement debate...

I find myself somewhere between the more extreme points of view on this one. Before I go over some of the particular questions raised, it's worth reminding ourselves:

Nobody is questioning Donald or Walter's ability to write great songs or create superb recorded music. We're just debating what the route was that led them to the finished product. Their ability (or lack of) to read and write charts doesn't have any bearing on the main point. Their superb instrumental chops (or lack of) doesn't have any bearing on this point. I think Clas, Mu, Chuck Rainey and all of us are agreed that D+W are superb songwriters and creators of fine music recordings.

OK, glad I got that out of the way...

There seem to be two slightly different debates going on, and they're getting a little blurred together. One is over charts - were they used at all for the album sessions? What kind of charts were they? Who wrote them? The second question is the degree to which the players were able to contribute their own ideas to the finished recording.

On this second point, again, there seems to be reasonable agreement. Nobody questions that the players have always had a certain amount of freedom to come up with their own ideas for the songs. D+W have actively encouraged this to some extent. But remember, the initial material and the basic parts (whether written or not, we'll come to that) are created by Donald and Walter, and the final say over whether musician X's idea for that killer lick at the end of the bridge is kept or not is down to Donald and Walter. They are the people who have the final say over all those thousands of decisions that go in to the recording. Should we set the delay time to 51.5 milliseconds or 52.0? Should we keep that high arpeggio on the keyboard before the guitar solo or not? Should we try another guitar overdub to see if Mr X comes up with anything better than the last take?

The only real issue is what terms you come up to describe the roles played by Donald, Walter and the musicians.

Charts, charts, charts.
From what I can gather, written charts HAVE been used for most of the album sessions, dating back at least to Katy Lied. Michael Omartian has been quoted talking about his role in preparing the charts for Katy Lied, based on demos recorded by Donald, Walter, Jeff Porcaro and others. Larry Carlton has talked many times about his work preparing the charts for Aja. So, yes, written parts have been used at several of the recording sessions.

What kind of charts were they?
All the evidence (from Jon Herington's site, the Chuck Rainey quote, the Aja video) points to them using a basic "lead sheet" for all the players, i.e all players refer to the same chart, which gives chord names, keyboard chord voicings, and basic melodic parts. The only exception to this is the horns, which clearly need individual parts (coming to those later).

Who wrote the lead sheets?
For the Katy Lied sessions, these were prepared by Michael Omartian (I've read several quotes on this). For later albums, Larry Carlton, Omartian, Rob Mounsey, Dean Parks and others are credited with helping to prepare these charts (from steelydan.com, citizen credits: "Rhythm Charts Prepared By Larry Carlton, Dean Parks and Michael Omartian in Collaboration with the Composers", "Rhythm Arrangements by Steely Dan with Rob Mounsey, Don Grolnick and Paul Griffin").

The horn arrangements were done by someone else in the early days (Jimmie Haskell on "Countdown", "Pretzel" and "Katy"), later on Donald and Walter got more involved in the horn arrangements, but always in collaboration with someone else.

Personally, I believe Walter has some basic music reading and writing skills, and Donald has better reading/writing skills. I also think that the charts used in the album recordings were always written down by someone else. But, just because person X wrote down the arrangement, doesn't mean that they came up with the arrangement. The various demos show how many of the basic rhythm parts were already well defined, and suggests the arrangement (choice of chord voicings, basic instrumentation and structure etc) was already pretty much in place. The way I see it, all people like Omartian and Carlton did was to get this arrangement down on paper to make it easy for musicians to refer to. In making this transfer of the arrangement to paper, they did have a little flexibility in choosing or even altering chord voicings (Carlton and, I think, Omartian have mentioned this), but again D+W would give the final "yes" or "no".
Once this arrangement was on paper, the musicians also had some freedom to ellaborate on the basic parts, but again - final decisions over what was used went to D+W.

With the horn parts, the chances are that D+W also had pretty well-formed ideas over what they wanted, but they didn't have the knowledge of suitable playing ranges etc of the different instruments, and (in the early days at least) either lacked the skills or confidence to notate the parts themselves. So, they got someone else to flesh out their ideas and fix them on paper. Also, remember that the horn parts are one of the last things to be recorded, so there won't be any strong concept of what the horns might be doing until the basic rhythm track and much of the overdubbing is complete. It's at that point, with the song 90% done, that D+W will listen back, see how the track sounds, and then decide where the horns can add support or colour. I don't believe they have much idea of what the horns are doing until they get to this point.

More recently, D+W have worked using midi arrangements, and so it's easier for them to sketch out all the parts, including horns, before the recordings have started.

Not sure where this leaves the debate, but my feeling is that D+W can both read and write music (D probably more so than W), that rhythm charts were used on many albums, but that these charts were written by someone else. The person writing the arrangement down had a little influence over the arrangement, but the bulk of the arrangement was already in place before anything got written down on paper.

Howard

User: Loones in November | Month: 10 | Day: 26

Message: Looney tune
you bring on others actions toward you'
so babble on and take that dribble to those who buy your BS.
and when we do, we won't be at mommys house""

this is the only reply you merit.

bluz

User: ¦ - evening scan | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: t: Doesn't that sounds suspiciously like Walter with the voice-over on the MinuteMaids' DrWu...There's is nothing like ludicrous Punk as an after dinner mint. Ever heard The Dickies version of Nights in White Satin?! Absurd! Ridiculous! Sophomoric!...the Ramones should have done some Dan covers...

User: toh-nz | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: W1P... and anyone else with an interest - this might be old news, but have you heard the Beta Band? The specific cd I'm refering to is Hotshots II... Very much a modern Floyd, with something extra the original could have used: an overt sense of humor. They even have a song called Eclipse. Everytime I've put it on for the last 9 months I've wanted to recommend it to you. Of course anytime I hear *anything* to do with Floyd now I think of you... But this is a really great cd... check it out if you haven't already.

------------------------------------

Loving the new George Harrison, though I would have prefered less of Jeff Lynne's production. George specifically requested that he not make it too "posh", and Lynne even admits in the "making of.." documentary to basically saying "fuck you George" and doing it the way he wanted anyway. Jeez... couldn't he even honor the last wishes of a dying Beatle, supposedly his friend? Lynne makes everything he produces sound the same, so sonically Brainwashed sounds like Cloud Ten, but fortunately the songs and George's singing and playing are so strong that they cut right through the extraneous crap. Maybe one day someone will release the demos so we can hear the album closer to what George intended.

Btw... I heard the Minutemen's cover of Dr. Wu on the radio about a month ago and forgot to mention it hear... hilarious! That 80's list reminded me of it... anyone else heard that? Sounds to me like they like the song even though they're kind goofing on it...

pretzels

t

User: Tony Shanks | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: Anyone live close to OKLAHOMA CITY?
We are producing a Steely Dan tribute night
with the BEST Steel Dan-ish group I have
ever heard. It's on Dec. 14th at the Green Door.

User: W1P | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: I have 25 of the "top 100" of the 80s. I LOVE those Replacements records -- raw and insightful -- Left of the Dial is my personal favorite

User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: thanks gina for your posts of late - always good to have a little perspective

yes, i had the likes of the pixies, police, REM, and xtc in my collection myself - cassette for me though in many cases, lol, even cassette to cassette - though i jumped on the cd bandwagon in 1986, so currently, they are in cd form (yes too on duran duran, rio, for me - sorry, hope we can still be friends, i admit i jumped on the mtv train from the get-go but got off in 1986)

at least they hadn't jumped on the kenny g train in their list, right? lol

rain and conflicting land use policy in the island mist today

go pat's - off to that game in foxborough for sunday, i'll wave at the camera if you are watching...

User: G. | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: and the Joni Mitchell community site still has tracks spinning from Travelogue. six tracks today including Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody ...

User: seattle paperbeui | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: Ricky Lawson set to play some Hendrix with... Kid Rock's guitar player?
I'm shitting you not.
Check it out:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/pop/96651_hendrix22.shtml

User: db | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: porky explained...
http://www.urbanlegends.com/science/lp_grooves.html

User: G. | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: howdy Howard ... my first thoughts when i read nuclear families was this strange idea of bombs tied to a shoelace or strapped to a young girl's dress. Then i figured what a pity if such a beautiful child with those big brown eyes would suddenly ....
now i see it's the principle i remember from certain interpretations from the bible, "go and multiply"... in dutch it says "ga en vermenigvuldig u" ....

so weird in a way this idea of nuclear families is seen as a threat while it's been most common for ages for christianity to sail the world, in disregard of other cultures or beliefs ... i'm sure i forget about loads of other developments in the course of this world, religions, pagan or not pagan etc etc. like Clas said, people move and will continue to do so. and like there wasn't any violence involved in the name of Christ which seems rather blasfemous all the same :-)
anyway, this human breed is not likely to pollute the moon or other planets in this universe so we might as well go with the flow and resist when and if we can and within our power.

Music's a main thing to stay mentally sane in every day's hastle and again i'd like to direct the spotlight into George Duke (see ~URL above) who with this new and first recording on his own label BPM has real meaningful things to say regarding music. Especially since this project had the events of the 11th sept hanging over it as dark clouds.
I like the way he communicates to his audience, so very open and willing. The link above is about what he has to say about the release, recording, the tracks.
To me it has all the right vibes and i agree with him on the principle of music and how music can shed a better light on things that tend to bring us down while living.

Who says the spirit of Jazz Messengers died when Art Blakey did ........

Banyan Tree 4 Music Bow,
G.

User: Howard | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: 
Muslim Groups in U.S. May Be Developing Nuclear Families

WASHINGTON, DCùAccording to an FBI report released Monday, "reliable and substantive
evidence" exists indicating that Muslims residing in the U.S. are involved in a widespread plot to
develop nuclear families.

"We possess what we believe to be credible proof that thousands of Islamic Americans, many of them Mideast-born, are attempting to acquire nuclear-family capability, often in full view of American law-enforcement authorities," said FBI director Robert Mueller, speaking before the Senate Intelligence Committee.
"These nuclear families, which consist of a husband-wife core and a varied number of surrounding offspring, could potentially come into contact with other such nuclear families, creating a terrifying chain reaction of Muslim familial perpetuation."

(full text at: http://www.onion.com/onion3843/nuclear_families.html)

Duncan - Porky vinyl messages? I've got a couple of SD albums on vinyl, must remember to check...

Have a good weekend folks...

Howard

User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: LP - only 2! Graceland and Swordfishtrombones.

User: G. | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: oh yes, and how 'bout that Steely Knives reunion in Charlotsville .....
enjoying the individual clashes and gentle rubbing of souls colliding and all ...
mud slinging, mud wrestling, oh and yes let's not forget about the music ...
Roy. Scam easing the whole place down with his guitarish poise ...
an entertaining day to be online and all these forums just make me smile ...

Banyan Tree Forums With Passion Bow,
G.

User: Don't worry... | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: ...I'll show up. One of these days.

C

User: grrl | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: clas, man, you woulda liked this concert. austin's a good place, i think, for these 'big' shows. funny little non-paradox.

'"stretch, bow, quiver, shake, aim, deliver"

User: Duncan | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: Just wondering if there's any messages scratched on the run out grooves on any of D&W vinyl releases.

I'd check myself but i don't own any.
a personal fav of mine ''a porky prime cut''
db

User: Big Balls in Cowtown | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: Yeah but Tom took the jacket off early and played most the night in a vest that made him look like he had pig-tails--like Willy Nelson. I also saw him ash a roach with one big draw as he ran up the ramp for the encore. I kept yelling, "Tom, play that song about the girl!" And you know what, he must have heard me because he did.

User:  | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: >>Is Goldenberg wearing the same awful, very expensive, red blazer on this tour too?

no, but Petty was wearin a nifty almost gothic red velvet thing.
maybe they share?

User: C | Month: 10 | Day: 22

Message: Free Bird - Tom Petty was the headliner? Are you kidding me!?

And what a shame, having Fonze's profile.

If I had that, I should hold a low profile, that's for sure.

Michael Goldenberg amazed me too, back in -96, on the Looking East tour. Is Goldenberg wearing the same awful, very expensive, red blazer on this tour too?

Thanx for the report!

PS/Jackson forgot the words when he played with this freak which I can't remember the name of... he plays fiddle and sings falsetto on "Won't you Stay", well, Jackson began to sing:

"In the evening / when I close my eyes... dammm, I wish I could say it was the first time this happens." Then he continued; "In the morning / when I close my eyes..."

User: StAlphonzo.......Technical Support Department | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: LP: Yes, I noticed the Sureseeker thing. I hate to say it but you've most likely been, and continue to be victimized by tracking (Spyware) software you accidentally downloaded. I'd be willing to bet every single website you go to is being logged by the fine folks at Sureseeker.com.

http://lists.insecure.org/incidents/2000/Nov/0012.html

You most likely got this by mistyping an internet address and were redirected by a site which registers common misspellings for purposes such as this. Then, the user is often present with a popup box that say "Do you want to make whatever.com your start page?" At that point the malicious code is executed and you're stuck.

Sort of. I'd suggest you download either of these programs and run them. They are anti-spyware programs designed to search your computer for this insidious software and delete them.

http://www.lavasoftusa.com
http://beam.to/spybotsd

I prefer AdAware myself. If this program doesn't not detect and remove all instances of Sureseeker and Findology, then I hate to say it -- the only way to remove that tag on your posts is to manually edit your Windows registry.

StAl

User: Petre Parkre | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: Doctor Myuu: Yes. Terrific blast. How cool would it have been for that particular drone to have captured the "whacking" on tape? Oh, and as a common courtesy to the faithful and humble readers, a bit of colour on the chief instrumentality.

AGM-114 "HELLFIRE"
Type: Air-ground anti-tank missile
Length: 5 feet, 4 inches
Diameter: 7 inches
Wing span: 28 inches
Weight: 98 to 107 pounds
Speed: subsonic
Guidance: Laser or radar
Launched from: Navy Seahawk, Army Apache, and Marine Super Cobra helicopters; Predator unmanned aerial vehcles (drones)
Source: U.S. Navy, Jane's

Petre

User: Aja | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: Whoops, that's another off the list! Thanks Midnite, will do!

Aja

User: Aja.......too much time on my hands | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: You're right Dano, @*&$# everyone but you and lp ;o)

Feeling a slapstick attack coming on-Lucy, are you out there?

Aja

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: Aja....forget any teeny bopper hype you may have heard and check out the Room For Squares cd by John Mayer if you haven't already....he's an amazingly mature songwriter and performer in the Dave Matthews style of singing with some serious guitar chops, both acoustic and electric....really interesting and catchy melodies on every tune....hard to believe this guy is still in his 20's.

User:  | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: Or maybe it's me. Maybe I confused your thank you note for spam and deleted?

KD LIED
You can see it in his/her e-yes...

User: Dano | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: Aja , I Told you 24 hours ago , go and get the The Ultimate Collection by The Who and blast your heeeeeed Aff.Got caught at traffic lights doing the Waynes World bit??Did i look a plonker or what!!

Dano.

User: ¯ | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: Hey Mu, so did you get my mail or what? Or is that cold shoulder treatment considered common courtesy way down there in Texas?
... the fuck?
Give someone a RARE treat, someone who PRESENTS himself as a big fan and that's what you get in return: zip.

Yeah, oh loving host, why don't you post the IPs while you're at it?
Maybe then, I won't be mistaken with every douche running XP that comes around and farts.
It's either all or nothing.
This way, you're just confusing the poor folks.
Granted, that could be funny, in a limited way.
Oh well...

Oh and KD LIES. Get it? Ha!

User: lp | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: wellies is short for wellingtons - mine are actually hunters from scotland that i picked up in harrington's in london (what a tourist, yeah i know) about 10 years ago, they last forever - they are plain green rubber boots that go up to your knees - perfect for walking in the mucky muck of woodlands and meadows, need wool socks in the winter though

funny thing wearing these wellies: i was walking out to my car from town hall and this guy walking past me to vote mumbles "perfect boots for election day" - LOL, so i said "you got it baby, but they really should be hip boots!"

newport jazz fest - i loved going to that, it is as cool as it looks on tv, angel - really need to make going there as a tradition again

vote, oh shit, i never registered up here - wow, oops, what a great public official i am

how can i change my IP thingy? this sureseeker thing is a little much

User: Dano | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: Always remembered Lonnie Donegan growing up in Glasgow , as every man and his dog were singing his songs after a kerry oot and a fish supper.

Cyn , Holiday Inn Express... Not The Travelodge , so dont go to the wrong Hotel.

Duncan , How did the weekend go mate.

On the Zevon link , I went to see Linda Ronstadt a few times in the mid seventies , with Andrew Gold , Waddy Wachtel , etc etc .Did he tour with her then ?? Has anyone got any info on that??

Bad Sneakers , You must have got the Scotland score away on your travels??
Are we all up for a trip to Portugal for the Euro Champs??

Bought A Rory Gallagher C/D today , must be all this nostalgia creeping in.

Cheers
Dano.

User: Aja........one down, four to go | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: Geez, I asked a question 24 hours ago and no one answered it! You're all so #@$&%*$ rude!!!!!! #*$&%@#*%&$& you all!!!!!!!

(sorry, couldn't resist ;o)

Well, does anyone have any recent music to recommend? I've got a Wherehouse gift certificate burning a hole in my pocket, and it'll probably expire before Steely Dan's new one comes out.....

Aja

User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: did

User: ¦ | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: Hey Peter,

I've got an arrest for you of the Al Qaeda bastards right here:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/11/04/yemen.blast/index.html

angel: Thanks - those interview clips sis end up on the show

November 5, 2002á10:46
Mothra & Godzilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.15; Mac Genius4 SuperComputer Pentium-nuking Power)
IP: barrelfullomonkeys

User: StAlphonzo | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: Mu: In your dreams pal!

Clas: WE may have discussed those things 5 years ago but it doesn't mean THEY have. So to them it's new and that's alright. Same goes here -- and just like I scroll past 95% of your posts (snicker), as well as much of the negative crap, it's the only way to survive the long-term.

Mr. Stewart? Can it be? He hast risen from the dead (or dust) of Texas?

November 5, 2002 09:50
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 6.0 aint no stinking mamby-pamby MAC)

User: Petre Parkre | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: Oh Lord. Damned if you do, damned if you don't:

UNITED NATIONS (AP)--The global campaign on terrorism which has allowed many
governments to arm themselves with wide powers to arrest citizens is eroding
human rights and in some places becoming a threat to rights activists, a U.N.
official said Tuesday.
"The exercise of state power is becoming more arbitrary and unilateral," said
Hina Jilani, Secretary-General Kofi Annan's special representative on human
rights defenders.
She made a presentation to the U.N. General Assembly on Monday outlining
threats to human rights defenders and the trends across the globe to disregard
civil rights by governments combatting terrorism.
"I understand the responsibility of states to guarantee security," she said.
But countries, including the U.S., Britain and Australia, have enacted laws
that reduce the legal protection for suspects, refugees and asylum seekers, she
said.
Several top U.N. officials, including Annan, have repeatedly cautioned
governments to be mindful of human rights in their fight against terrorism.
In her warning on Tuesday, Jilani said in many countries acts of protest and
civil disobedience were being viewed as terrorism.
"The imperative of security will not be served by violating human rights," she
said.

(END) DOW JONES NEWS 11-05-02
01:18 PM- - 01 18 PM EST 11-05-02

User: Global Gimme Guy | Month: 10 | Day: 5

Message: Digiman--

Interesting thing is that we can't speed up to the speed of light, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to go faster than light. If you just happen to already be going faster than light, you can continue, but what you can't do is slow down to the speed of light. It's a limiting factor in either direction. So the moral is: Always hit the ground running.

User: db | Month: 9 | Day: 24

Message: 2 arrested

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2356135.stm

User: ¦ - this ain't no party, this ain't no disco | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Man, there are times when I hate being right, and this is one of them. John Mohammed, a suspect or "person of interest" in the Sniper case trained in the Army near Tacoma WA and at the Ground Zero camp in Alabama - linked with Al Qaeda. Here's a report from this summer:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/WNT_alabama_camp020725.html

OLE: Texas West Nile update. Two of my students are positive for WNV...just headaches and flu-like symptoms..others aren't being test because of the thexpense - you would think the CDC would subsidize this...

User: Jimbo | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Okay, I've got something wild to tell you.

About three weeks ago, I proposed an idea to a jazz music website called Jazzsteps.com to do a review of the Jane Monheit concert. I got a reply
the next day which said yes. I posted it before, but never gave you guys and gals the web address because I wanted the concert review to be on there before I told you.

Before I go any further, I am, out of my f/t job in retail, a freelance writer and I've been trying to get my groove back because of my change of attitudes toward my old job. I feel that there is no security and that I am interested in a career in music journalism. Whether it's writing reviews for concerts or CDs, I don't care. Just don't ask me about Michael Jackson's next body altering, I mean abusing, operation. I may not last long in retail, but with my writing skills back, and a degree
in media communications, I'm ready as ever.

Just tonight, I get an e-mail stating that my review is now up and that
it will be the featured review of the month :). YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Another thing, my first name is James and that I'm using my middle name as my last because my actual last name is too common. There are several hundreds of people with my actual first and last name. So, I wanted to avoid any confusion. Plus, my actual first and last name wouldn't be strong enough as a writer. So please bear with me.

As you read my review of our Steely Dan-loving Jane Monheit, please be constructive in terms of critiqing my review. Even if you don't like it,
be fair. OK? OTAY!

HERE'S THE ARTICLE:
http://www.jazzsteps.com/revies/shows/jane_monheit_1002.asp?sc=true

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Bill: Dude, that was sick...Donald better drop or at least carry the blonde and get that Next One out as it appears that AOL-Time-Warner-Ted Turner-Whatever cooked the books a la Enron and the Feds in 2000:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7490-2002Oct23.html

User: ¦ | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Bill: Dude, that was sick...Donald better drop or at least carry the blonde and get that Next one out as it appears that AOL-Time-Warne-Ted Turner-Whatever cooked the books a la Enron and the Feds in 2000:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7490-2002Oct23.html

User: Bill@2farGone.com | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Message to Taylor Dayne...

Taylor,
You simply must stop stalking me. It'll never work out. Don't bother
deny that it's you. Who else would stand outside my house at 3am
singing "Love Will Lead You Back"? May I make a suggestion?
There's this guy I know, his name is Donald, I feel you two might
be made for each other. Here's his number (212)555-1212. Give him
a call. He loves blondes...well actually he loves all kinds of
women but he really digs blondes believe me. Don't tell him I sent
you, I still owe him a few bucks and he never lets me forget it.

Sincerely,
The Lovemaster

User: Bob West | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Hey guys!, bring back that top ten list of things not to say in the recording studio. I thought it was hilarious.

Thanks,
former AOL screen name......Steelybob

User: What? | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Steely Dan?

Anyone?

User: Viking | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: shurrup you

User: deckard | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: 

deep sigh***************

User: C | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: "...all American women are asked to walk out of their houses completely naked to help weed out any neighborhood terrorists."

Sorry, it won't happen, the US Vice Squad would be all over the place, arresting people.

User: The Viking | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: David Gray-new album-28th October-thats all I'm sayin-apart from-woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

User: StAl | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Angel: My two cents on "The Machine" going into action. I'd have to disagree with JK. I'd say the Piano Jazz taping is exactly what it is/was. An opportunity for W&D to participate in something that interests them. Nothing more or less. The machine has been busy making a record, but I wouldn't read any further into it. As much as we'd like to see a light at the end of the tunnel, unfortunately it just isn't quite visible (yet). My opinion only.

YGK: I like it. National Scare a Terrorist Day.

StAl

User: Aja | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Molly-tell me when you can meet me in chat. But I have no interest in arguing about who posted what-I just want to explain something to you privately.

Aja

User: lp | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: i miss chips at times like this, don't you?

or maybe a post from obscurity - charles nelson reilly perhaps?

LOL

when's chat, i'm working straight through to my meeting, what the hell, right?

User: Jennifer=xxxxx | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Now that was as stupid as anything you have ever written.

User: Molly | Month: 9 | Day: 23

Message: Re : post 2524 Aja, I don't know where's you're getting this crap? But you are WRONG. About Tex and most things concerning me. Tex hasn't been in my house since he beat the hell out of me. St.Al and I discussed privately where Tex's messages were being sent from, (it wasn't from here) in case Tex decided to come back and beat me up again. The one thing that truly makes me dislike this WEber person, is the fact that Tex was leaving me alone, until this "person" began his bilious tirades. Now I am accepting Tex's e-mails again to keep him from posting any more here at Banyan. I'll be happy to discuss this with you anytime you like.

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: Ooops, yes, that was me, below.

C

User: Is this the way to Armadillo? | Month: 11 | Day: 16

Message: So you answered my question? I didn't see it. But I guess you never have been abroad. Okay?

"(1) why did Sweden not defend against the Nazis in WWII?"

Sweden was neutral, but there was a lot of shit going around in the dark that has been brought to daylight now. Among those thing; the Jewish Community in Stockholm stopped a lot of Jewish refugees, saying it would be bad for the already existing Jewish Community.

And you have to know, during centuries, Germany was our "USA", German was our second language, Germany was our trade partner etc etc. I'm not sure that those who sympatized with the Nazi Ideology were the most evil people on earth, they didn't see the pictures and films from Auswitch, Treblinka etc. It's easy to sit 5 or 50 years after the event and be wise.

"(2) If you are averse to religion, theocracies, repressive regimes etc - why the support of sects of Islam that have no freedom of press, enforce mysogynism, violate human rights, kill millions??? I mean I like an acid bath as much as the next guy, but this US, not you...the irony, the irony..."

Supporting? I don't think that's the case, Doc. But I personally believe that you can't apply Western standards on an Eastern Culture, and if there's gonna be changes, they have to come from within, else it will backfire. Colonialism is not a good thing.

And you're saying "this is US, not you", well, with the impact USA has on the world it's pretty much "me" too.

I wish I could say it's YOUR problem if you want to send your children to war, but this isn't only about YOUR kids.

User: angel | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: Hutch: My brother-in-law was just talking to me and mentioned that a new album was coming out in March. I too did the same double take and asked him where he got that information. His comment was that it was announced on an LA radio station. I don't say it's right, but things are definitely heating up out there.

Spent the afternoon watching the Plush. Haven't seen it since last year and it was nice to remember.

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: jjeff: No, the article is in one piece only in today's newspaper. Rember, in order to refute Claim A (which is that the War would be fought to be a boon for oil companies), one has to provide logic and evidence to the contrary - thus they stick to the topic. There were a number of points or alludes to them and there coincidentally was a story on 60 minutes tonight:

(1) Iraq's production is not large enough to change the balance

(2) Iraq has contracts with France and Russia, which will be honored "the day after" if that happens..

(3) After the Gulf War, oil prices decreased which is bad for the oil companies, though pretty good for consumers..

Having said that, there's no doubt that Stable oil prices are in the interest of the US. Thus I agree that oil is thus important, but not in the manner that most folks think. In fact, if we keep Saddam in a box, they might just remain stable (see point (1) above. Thus it is actually a big short-term risk to overthrow Saddam by military means. A War and rebuilding will cost billions which poses short term and long term risks to the economy. In the long run stable oil prices and improved relationships with France, Russia are possible, as well as regime changes possibly in Iran (prbably) and Saudi? (according to 60 Minutes, though I'm skeptical)...in either case, posing as Miss Cleo is problematic, especially as a New Jersey court I heard is after her Psychics Network

The primary reason for concern with Iraq, WMD and ties to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups is national security (for us and Israel) - thus the tie into the economy is indirect but robust. Based on the risks/benefits, it may not make short term business sense re: oil companies etc. to attack Iraq, but who knows?. Two snipers were able to disrupt the DC metro area. I don't want my family in that area or any area across the US to start living a Tom Clancy novel out in the not too distant future...who would have believe 9/11 could occur (besides in novels) before 9/11...

I would like to see a committment here (a) to put more R&D money into a faster implementation of fuel cells all the way to fusion generators and (b) developing natural gas and oil sources here...tankers spill, drilling doesn't...it's 90 years since "Giant." Unlike Clas and Lars, I'm not dogmatic about having to live in Texas to talk about oil...please feel free to speak your mind!

User: Moll Man | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: Moll, I got it.

Notice that both Felonius and Interloper are Brits. They stick together like glue and are notoriously pedantic.
Oh, my I hope I didn't misspell anything or blow the syntax!

I ran into a funky guy on Bleaker St. today. He just bumped into me and he then blurted out "release by March, tour by August". I said, "Even DF & WB probably couldn't pin it down that tightly".
He said "that's the plan, for now - bump into me again sometime soon for an update"

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: Better watch out TnterDoper... Interloper is a very randy devil. He might just ask you to show him your breasts. I know for a fact he's quite fond of that part of the female anatomy. *wink*
My Viking, Don't worry babe, I don't take off points for spelling or grammar! No tests required Pete....rofl However, You gotta stop aggrivating people here. Many are close to your parent's age. I know you'd feel terrible if one of them stroked out over this stuff. *kisses~~~~~~~*

User: jjeff | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: Mu: Interesting article. I hope that wasn't printed as is. Five paragraphs were repeated. And if it's not " all about oil" then why was the entire article about oil and the primary question " the day after", about the resulting damage to Iraq's output? I don't agree it's all about oil, but it's got a lot to do with it.

User: Sorry Pat | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: I'm changing my start page to ODP
db

User: ¦ - the war's sorta over... | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: Hutch: independent source - good find...that's a long scroll...we can only hope

lp: On Every Street...don't have that one, but I heard it grown on folks...or at least percolates in fron seats...

loper: No, no, it's "show us your tits!"

c: I answered

more Qs for you (1) why did Sweden not defend against the Nazis in WWII?

(2) If you are averse to religion, theocracies, repressive regimes etc - why the support of sects of Islam that have no freedom of press, enforce mysogynism, violate human rights, kill millions??? I mean I like an acid bath as much as the next guy, but this US, not you...the irony, the irony...

At least with StAl, he has a stand consistent with his worldview: US is not the world's robocop - Kosovo, Haiti, Middle East all are not in our interest...With organized terrorists orgqanizations and states, the real question is: is a War with Iraq vital to our national defense? to world safety? That would be a nice open debate, but that's not likely to occur here...

...should we focus more on security of the US borders, screening illegal immigrants?

Feb 19th or whenever can't come soon enough

Another myth bites the dust:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/editorial/outlook/1700179

User: Interdoper | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: hehehehhehehehehe, I got tits!

User: Spellonius | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: Felonius, the mark of a person with nothing to say is one who simply picks the lowest common denominator to critique without addressing the points at issue.

Maybe you sit around checking your spelling, and grammar(?), but I don't have time for that.

Stay on message - and drink more Vodka!

User: Dano | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: Lp, Just looked at that webpage LOL LOL.I only travel by limo my dear??

Steeve , Good website Pretzel Logic , first chance to have a good look at it,excellent stuff matey.

Talking of Steeve , where is the Stevie with the i?? Are you still out there.

Dano.

User: Interloper | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: hehehehe i can't believe you pompous arrogant tits.

User: Hutch | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: Thought about it for a while and concluded that it had to be that Japanese info we saw recently.
Here's what he just sent to me:

This is from a website called melodicrock.com



JAPANESE MELODIC RELEASE UPDATE:
More great melodic release news out of Japan.
Simple Plan have a new mini-album planned. It will appear in Japan February 13, featuring 5 tracks recorded live in Japan and 2 brand new studio tracks.

Third Eye Blind's new album Crystal Clear is released in Japan February 19, with one bonus track and a guest appearance from Andrew WK.

February 19 is also the Japanese release date for a brand new Steely Dan album.

The 12" Singles Collection is a Warner Bros. compilation, due out in Japan February 19. The album features classic remixed and extended versions of hits from A-Ha, David Lee Roth, Yes, Foreigner and several other non-rock WEA acts of the 80's.

Warner Bros. are also re-issuing expanded and remastered versions of classic Yes albums. I don't have worldwide release dates, but the Japanese date for these re-issues is February 13.
Yes features 6 bonus tracks; Everydays (single version), Dear Father (early version #2), Something's Coming, Everydays (early version #1), Dear Father (early version #1), Something's Coming (early version).
Fragile features America and Roundabout (early rough mix) as bonus tracks.
The Yes Album features Your Move (single version) + 1 additional track as bonus tracks.
Time and A Word contains 4 bonus tracks; Dear Father, No Opportunity Necessary, No Experience Needed (original mix), Sweet Dreams (original mix).

I'll bet we see a release date up on the ODP this week.

Optimistically,
Hutch

User: Luckless Pedestrian, sans coffee | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: hey mu - yes i had forgotten about america's passport genesis - lol - that greatest hits cd is also on the passenger seat of the car

along with on every street from dire straits

tones, have a great run, send postcards along the tour!

User: ok.. | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: ...actually I have the day off and he's playing two hours away... (yes, I know the way to San Jose...) But still, if any of you can make it to this Gabriel tour, it's well worth your time and money. PG's making history again. I've never seen anything like it.

I really want to talk more about it, but I don't want to ruin any of the surprises. I can tell you the band was fantastic. The Drummer I didn't recognise, and while he was a bit of a pounder, he grooved great and the heavy rock thing worked well for the arrangements, keeping vibe "comtemporary"... Levin was just great of course... David Rhodes is sooooooo underated... great player, tasteful and versatile, even *nails* the reggae riddim. The rest of the band consists of a woman on keyboards (no Larry Fast!) who shares the keyboard work with PG... She played most of the synth stuff while PG played mostly digital piano... there was another guy who played mini guitar, recorder, and acoustic, and PG's daugther Melanie on vocals. I had heard PG was playing a bit of guitar but that didn't happen. Great group dynamics, and great range, as we all know PG can go from deep and sensitive to third world to prog to deep funk all in the same song. And btw PG's grooves are the deepest this side of P-Funk and the purple guy. The sound was great, though at the angle we were sitting it got a little strident at times when the band went to 11. but overall it was the best in-the-round sound I've heard. Levin was deep and clear, and the textures and layers in the mix were incredible.

And with all that PG could just stand there and sing, but...

St. Al, I wish I could be there when you and Mrs. Al experience this show. We'll trade notes with W1P afterwards...

Orange people rule!

...

User: Felonious | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: Interdoper - it's interesting to see that your spelling and grammar are rather poor. You seem quite keen to criticise others, yet some of these people, for whom english is a second language, seem to be able to write better english than you.

F.

User: tones | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: I'd like to leave some colour about the Peter Gabriel concert but I really don't know what to say, except I'm quitting my job to follow the tour.

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 15

Message: Come on now Doc ¦, have you ever been abroad?

You're saying you want a intellectual debate, and you can't/won't answer this simple question?

---

Everybody now, go to

www.rootingoutevil.org

and sign up.

User: Hutch | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Okay, check this out. I just got back from a Christmas party given by the sister of a former bandmate of mine. So Tommy and I are standing there talking and all of a sudden he blurts out, "So, I see where Steely Dan's new cd is coming out on, what is it? February 11th or 19th... something like that". I looked at him in amazement... "Where did you see that"? He said,"I don't know, just one of the sites I frequent. Can't remember which one it was. I'll see if I can find it and send it to you".

Doh!

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: lp: See the Gaucho liner notes: the "Birth of the Cruel." Playing with fake jazz is a very, very, very dangerous thing..."America" lived in England and were part of the copy cat crowd - nice harmonies. Hey, anybody know that the f**k the "tropic of Sir Galahad" is??? Drug reference?? ...were they partaking at the time??? Damn, that may explain why the shortest lived band in the history of college life - which included me - disbanded...it wasn't our miserable, faiiled attempt to play some Dan, it was our succesfully playing the freakin' Tin Man song!

jjeff: Venezuela? I can only think of a tall, blond Amazon Venezuelan I once knew...the riots, it's a mess there...Venezuela out, no drilling allowed in Cali, Fla, or Alaska, no one's trading their SUVs for the fuel cell cars...OPEC has our cajunas in the vise grip and are tightening... while importing oil tankers corrode, implode, and vomit their contents into the ocean................OK, I'm thinking about the blond again now...

User: Boz Scaggs | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Luckles Pedestrian..good..better..get on
Boz is blues..blues is boz..one of the finest modern cds
"come on home"
thanks for your educated ears.
enjoy the collection" but "come on home"

bluz

ask me 'bout nothin (but the blues)..ask me why do all good things have to come to an end" ask me who was the first man to make fire in the night"
ask me who thought about using a candle for a light"
ask me why..why does a man have to reach beyond his needs..I don't know'
why does a tree have to shed its leaves"

User: jjeff | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Post-dated Merry Christmas to all.

After you've smashed your guitar and burned the flag what is there left to do? You can decorate it a thousand ways but it's still a cake. The basis stays the same.

Bill, some funny stuff there.

Mu: No comments on Venezuela? Is there such a thing as an oil-producing country in upheaval that the U.S. doesn't have it's thumb in? Keep it coming.

Cyn/LP: AbFab's out on DVD with a special out-take disc. Who's Santa's best-est girl, huh?

Duncan: What's little Dan gonna find under the tree? Speaking of which,are you arboreally challenged to the point where U.K. imports trees, or maybe it's not a big thing? Just wondering aloud.

St. Al: I expect blow-by-blow on the concert including set-list. Make me green, Al. Al Green, get it. Can I have a Aymen? Prayes Jesus! And Tones, You sinnah you, I expect the same. Halleluyah! Take me to the rivah.

User: Luckless Pedestrian, again | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: mu - i would say the band "America" also had alot to do with a new california sound, beyond the stereotypical beach boys

i would also rank herbie hancock as having an influence beyond bitches brew on "modern jazz"

boz scaggs made blues very cool, incidentally, i have been listening to his anthology cd in my car

i had an ex-friend who said steely dan was the birth of "easy listening jazz", but we're not friends anymore...

have you hugged your favorite bob dylan cd today?

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: See Randy, I knew you had it in you!

W1P: Alrighty then, WHAT ABOUT IT? Rap and Hip-Hop are important developments if only (largely) as a representation of the voice of inner-city African-Americans, and later as their influence spread, disenfranchised youth; like rock, rap and hip-hop are not music of the young specifically, but the music of the dissatisfied (from a cultural standpoint). Pete Townshend made that astute observation, and he's right.

User: The Interdoper | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Clas is not interesting at all. Interloper, you clearly believe your clever, but your just another sophist dupe.

Clas, at least "your country" - meaning the USA - is a beacon for something.

Also, it's an interesting human phenomenah that people just can't help trying to tear down those who excel. I see it all the time from the insecure(95% of the population-98.6% of the Swedish population where small wankers with big labidos abound).

More Vodka for everyone!

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Randy: though The Police took advantage of the punk movement, I would distinguish Ghost and Synchronicity from the initial movement. The first innovators of punk were The Ramones and I guess the New York City Dolls, which was really nothing more than a back to basics movement: three chords and yer out...New York City Surf Music The Ramones featured Beavis and Butthead anti-Osmond type lyrics. The Sex Pistols added British frustation and politics and The Clash mixed punk and other styles...In rethinking this, The Talking Heads were really more true innovators than the Ramones or Pistols or Clash...initial aural theatre without being bombastic art-rock, then later combining African Rhythms with new wave in Remain in Light etc.

I should add that Talk Talk's Spirit of Eden and Laughing Stock are innovative (and really pissed off two labels - I appreciate Eden more than like it though...

I can't say they're innovators per se, but Prefab Sprout fashioned their own sound which rose above the Synth bands...

Branford Marsalis had a couple of very good albums (ex Renaissance), but I'm not certain they pushed the jazz envelope, though Kirkland's piano sounds (in those albums) like an extension of the Herbie Hanckock/Miiles Davis stuff just pre-fusion...

Christian McBride showed some signs of innovation on Xerxes and Uhura from Sci-Fi, but the album as a whole is inconsistent...he may have potential

While I would agree that many artists have done 19th Century Western, ragtime, jazz, Gershwin, rock, OR R&B better than Ben Folds, no one has done them ALL at the same time...Elton has better chops, but Ben is more interesting to listen to...The closest in integrator of a large range of styles was Billy Joel, but he was always more of a mimic. Ben makes it all his own style...

User: The Interloping Viking | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: God I love you guys - you always take the bait!!hehehe

User: Randy | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: 
W1P: Alrighty then, WHAT ABOUT IT? Rap and Hip-Hop are important developments if only (largely) as a representation of the voice of inner-city African-Americans, and later as their influence spread, disenfranchised youth; like rock, rap and hip-hop are not music of the young specifically, but the music of the dissatisfied (from a cultural standpoint). Pete Townshend made that astute observation, and he's right.

My only criticism of rap and/or hip-hop comes when these artists attempt to proclaim themselves as the successors to the throne of Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, etc., who were the voice of inner-city African-Americans for the previous generation. None of these newer artists have anywhere near the skills, talent or craftsmanship abilities of Wonder or Gaye, and while their music is popular among many, I'm simply not that interested in it; the one interesting point about that is the fact that rap and hip-hop are the FIRST types of music to come out of the African-American community that I'm not captivated by; the majority of my roots come out of jazz, blues, rock, funk, r&b, gospel, etc.

For me, based on jazz alone, African-Americans have made the greatest contribution to the arts in the history of the United States.

"If it screams for truth rather than help, if it commits itself with a courage it can't be sure it really has, if it stands up and admits something is wrong but doesn't insist on blood, then it's rock 'n' roll. We shed our own blood; we don't need to shed anyone else's." - Pete Townshend, 1977

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: I read it and the question is "what about it"

User: Randy | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: 
¦: I wrote there have been no innovations since 'Bitches Brew' (1969) IN JAZZ; in rock I wrote there have been no truly "new" innovations since the advent of punk/new wave, which would include the Police (I am also particularly enamored of 'Ghost In The Machine,' which is arguably their finest work). There was the odd innovation later (a specific example being Paul Simon's 'Graceland' in 1986), but beyond that...

Steely Dan's work was certainly innovative but most of it took place BEFORE or DURING the advent of new wave (and obviously completely outside of it); your mention of Marley is certainly valid but Marley was a proponent of REGGAE, not jazz or rock; reggae has elements of rock but it's an entity unto itself, and to the world at large, Bob Marley WAS reggae, and he was dead by 1981.

Parliament Funkadelic did some great work in funk, the majority of which was before or during the same period as new wave and punk; Peter Gabriel's solo work (particularly 1980's 'Peter Gabriel') was largely influential on later new wave artists, but he (as a solo artist) did his work in the same period (1975-1982 and onwards); everything done by Ben Folds has been done before and far more engagingly-

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

User: Randy | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: 
W1P: I suggest you reread the first sentence of my post (#3869) up to the first semi-colon.

db: Good one, I must say, and actually you're right, I didn't; but as I live with my girlfriend, we decided to take a break as we were both exhausted from the last three nights of decidedly rigorous activities; incidentally, the post was written late this morning (Saturday 12/14).

"Slow down / I'll tell you when / I may never walk again..." - Steely Dan, 'I Got The News'

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: sorry, left out Joni Mitchell

...for better or worse, Jackson Browne with his early albums in the 70s and producing the first Eagles and Warren Zevon albums was instrumental in the "California Sound"

User:  | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: note

User: ¦ - if I could do it, it can't be art | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: W1P: It did make D&W $600,000. Sampling is not innovative - the musical equivalent of making a ransom not from newspaper clips...with a few exceptions - like De La Soul's 1st...I accept the argument of street poetry, but it's not music...

Randy: I concur with the large majority of your assessment. The current corporate music landscape does not encourage innovation. In fact the RIAA effort to clear out sampling and put the grip on internet audio is not so much to help Metallica get its due (which is fine) but to limit the squelch opportunity for the independent artist which is being afforded in the digital age. With digital video, movies can be (and will be) made for a fraction of the cost a few years ago...the same is becoming true for music...

Music innovators since Bitches Brew:

Hmmm...sometimes these are little steps and sometimes big steps...

Steely Dan - for it's unique (at the time) fusion

Bob Marley and the Wailers - created something completely new from the embers of ska...

Police - Ghost in the Machine...not all the songs are great, but a darker soundscape never attempted before or since with elements of jazz, Bartok, reggae. Synchronicity is an interesting, sparer sounding album

Boz Scaggs (late 70s-1980) - The idea of blue-eyed R&B is not new, but Boz packaged it better with the help of Toto...after the Hits! compilation, they parted way - each has made decent albums since, but they were better together...

Parliament/Funkadelic - out of this world funk

Peter Gabriel - Melt (III) and Security integrated World music in a really inventive way

Ben Folds - only for combining virtually every single style of American music into one package: 19th Century Western, ragtime, jazz, Gershwin, rock, R&B, grunge

What do you guys think?

User: db | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Randy didn't get laid last night !!!!
my guess

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Hey Randy, what about hip hop and rap?

User: uh... can I buy a couple more vowels? | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: hostilely

User: tones - looking at life from both sides now... | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Interloper - name me a single musical artist or band that you consider "relevant", whatever the hell that's supposed to mean (and I don't think you know. You probably just read it in Spin). This is a direct challenge. I don't mean it hostlly, I just think you are full of shit. And if all you got is Foo Fighters be prepared to be laughed back to your MTV...

Hey there everyone... going UP tonight...

t

User: Randy | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: 
Nothing truly "new" has happened in rock since the advent of punk and new wave in the late seventies/early eighties, with the virtual sole exception being rap and hip-hop; "grunge" was little more than the disenfranchised youth of America finally understanding and identifying with (on a large scale) what the disenfranchised punks were trying to convey musically and lyrically in the late seventies, only with less innovative and engaging results. (Punk was more widely accepted among the youth in England, as there was more of a sense of disenfranchisement, with the unemployment rate being deplorably high, for starters.)

For those who were there for the first round, grunge was little more than an overrated reiteration. It's overall results were positive, but differed little from punk's range of influence: rock was again brought back to square one, pretension and excess were kept in check, and do-it-yourself primitivism was applauded over sophistication. When this occurred in the late seventies, it influenced the industry and it's artists, resulting in better, more focused music; when it happened again with grunge, it influenced it's audience, as by that time the industry had been repeatedly dichotomized and had split into multiple microcosms, marginalizing its influence, importance, and relevance.

One should keep in mind when reading the text above the distinction between "rock" and "pop"; pop has essentially evolved to a state wherein the same level of "bubblegum" can be produced as in the early seventies, i.e. the Osmonds or the Bay City Rollers, with only excessively provocative sexual elements added (in regards to music and image); thus the likes of Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys are little more than the equivalent of the Osmonds, and thus would have been characteristically derided back then; now they are celebrated regardless of their lack of credibility in rock circles (though not at my house), and such differentiation, sadly enough, is generally not made.

Little innovation has taken place in jazz either, at least since the advent of fusion, although fusion was largely hampered by vacuousness and a predisposition to excess from the start; artists rooted in rock had far more artistic success bringing jazz' influences on board (witness Steely Dan, Joni Mitchell and Paul Simon), because to many, fusion was defined by the now aging maxim "good jazz players playing bad rock 'n' roll." Only fusion's birth in 1969 via Miles Davis' 'Bitches Brew' and 'In A Silent Way' could be credited as a startling period of groundbreaking, with precious few other recordings (which would include the first effort from the Mahavishnu Orchestra) having the same scope and insightful artistic frame of reference. Once the advents of "free jazz" and the modal experiments had run their course (which they had by the late sixties), jazz had come full circle and was without a new direction.

Wynton Marsalis was heralded as part of the "new renaissance" in jazz in the late eighties/early nineties, but the renaissance was hollow, as it only signified that a new generation of stellar technicians was now part of the front line, and that jazz was worthy of the same press and attention as other popular music(s); while there were many great players, not one recorded anything on the scale of innovation with Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Charlie Parker, or Thelonious Monk. Marsalis went on to become something of a revisionist himself, as the self-appointed arbiter of jazz, dictating what could be considered jazz and what couldn't, all without a single innovation to his name.

The music goes on, but its innovation and cultural importance continue to diminish; hopefully a new advent will retrospectively define this current stagnation as a temporary lull; perhaps not. Art is merely a reflection of the culture, and when the culture stagnates, the arts reflect it. With the impending extinction of artistic integrity and little ground being broken in any of the arts (save for the technological advances in film, which appear to come at the expense of depth and plot), it just may be the end of a cultural era-

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Hey Everyone!!! I hope you are all well out in Banyan Trees land.
Dano, 48 is NOT old, and bald can be very sexy. I like Pete's new appearance. He's got that Genie look going... You bald guys aren't wasting those sex hormones on hair..*wink
My Viking, why do I have the feeling you're trying to raise hell in here again? Lol lol lol I think your temperment may be better suited for the SRV site. Or maybe the RRGCC site. Rock Jocks maybe a bit more interesting to you babe.Although they can get a bit serious and slightly obsessive about their sport. I appreciate that you've tried BanyanTrees for me anyways. I miss those arms of yours around me. Back to Lexington .. *kisses~~~~~~~~~*

User:  | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Girl

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Interloper: Popular music has not in general progressed, it's regressed. Learning to Fly is good, but much of the rest of Foo sounds like Nirvana-lite

paraphrasing "If sophisticationi in music followed that of technology, we'd all be listening to Debussy right now"

Besides, we've discussed Ben Folds, BFF, and the last Randy Newman at length previously...What a Shame Doug Hopkins commited suicide in 1993 - gave the Gin Blossoms an edge. Weezer's OK. Neil Finn's released a couple of good solo albums. The rise and fall of Diana Krall, up and coming Jane Monheit and Norah Jones also discussed at length here - where ya been?

Bill: Yes, TvN has little post-1960 rock left. It is truer to the Cool Jazz roots of Miles Davis built on a Stax rhythm section... and some of the Charles Brown-like blues structure (ex, What a Shame About Me). Now it doesn't obviously sound exactly like Miles or Brown, its sounds like Steely Dan. Personally, I LOVE the album - my favorites are Negative Gril, West of Hollywood, Almost Gothic, What a Shame About Me, and Janie Runaway. The intro to Two Against Nature crackles - good song (maybe a verse too long) and Jack of Speed seems to sum up Steely Dan I. Outtro to Gaslighting Abbie, especially live, is a highlight and the song has a neat 50s TV ad sound...

R&D comes through - Nightfly DVD on the way:

"We are pleased to tell you that the following items of yours shipped yesterday:

Order # SKU Product Name Quantity Shipped Shipping Method Tracking Number
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3826024 08122781389.DD FAGEN,DONALD - NIGHTFLY - DVD AUDIO 1 First Class Mail (no tracking available)"

We gotta have some music on the New Frontier...

User: StAl.............Shootin' holes in Bill's theory | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Bill: Try again. Miles Davis's Birth of Cool (1949) sounds radically different than Doo Bop (1991). Everything evolves, it seems, except you...

>all you guys do is chew over a bunch of has-beens and musicians that,
>although perhaps good in their day, are hardly relevant today

Interloper: Dude, it's obvious you've only been on this message board for a couple weeks, because that statement is simply wrong. In just the past year there have been solid threads on bands like...

- Norah Jones
- Eminem, Dre, Snoop Dogg, etc
- John Maher
- Foo Fighters
- Moby
- Ben Folds
- Beck
- I could go on and on...

Really, before one sticks foot firmly in mouth, one should do their research.

StAl

User: C @ W | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Billy Boy - "The artistry of what has been done is so phenominal that one can only study it and try to learn from it."

And what did you learn? Nothing!?

Was it because you didn't try hard enough?

User: Luckless Pedestrian, again | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: hey, happy birthday ken!

xoxoxox

keep up the good work, did you notice we pissed off north korea now, isn't that cool - has this administration figured out yet that sometimes you can't relate to other countries by using cnn? that sometimes you say some things in private and keep your mouth shut in public? - i wonder how long it will take me to drive to canada from here, just in case - my harbor is on a high scud alert -

not sure about the new mark cd, the radio stations on this island are really bad - ***i look to this place for guidance and that's obviously a joke, huh?********

back to my dave brubeck cd, where life is safe, good, and happy...

User: Luckless Pedestrian at home | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: if you were wondering what dano was doing last night, click the url above or here: http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/12/13/uk.plane/index.html

LOL - hi dano, did you get our email? sorry, but when we read this story this morning, we said, woops, dano got a little too muellered at 30,000 feet!

best line from this story: mindless minority - classic!!!!!

roflmao with green mountain coffee

User: Bill | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Interloper,

Here's why Steely Dan fans can't just "move on" as you say...

The music of Steely Dan represents the zenith of musical artistry
in the last 40 years or so. The chemistry of the music is so unique
that newer artist have been unable imitate it, let alone surpass it.
The sophistication of the music itself is so far beyond that of
the current stable of modern pop artists that one cannot simply
"move on".

How does one "move on" from Leonardo Davinci?
How does one "move on" from Picasso?
How does one "move on" from Miles Davis?

The answer is that you don't simply "move on". The artistry of what
has been done is so phenominal that one can only study it and try to
learn from it. Maybe by doing that we are "moving on" in a sense.

User: The Interloper | Month: 11 | Day: 14

Message: Please, feel free to reply as indignantly as you can. The point was to stir you all up a bit. Clas is the only interesting person on here right now.

User: lp | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: bored?

cool album graphics here: http://www.317x.com/imagemenu.html

User: oops... forgot one. | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: New album contribution person: Sunnyhills contribution day: November 30th (Saturday) o'clock of 08 07 minutes 55 second

"Don't you think? the webmaster, it is silence?

The new òê (album) which is after 3 years on February 19th of next year is sold when?
This time whether it becomes some contents it is the pleasure."

You got that right.

User: No Way | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: St. Al- Yes, I've seen Pink in concert (with Gilmore and Waters) and it was the best show I've EVER seen! I just can't see Peter being half as good live. I guess I'll have to go to one of his concerts to see for myself.

Bill and YGK- You both make some very good points.
When it's all said and done, I think I'll have to lean more towards Bill on this one. I really believe it's mostly musicians who love TVN. I think the average SD fan agrees with Bill. I personally like every single record (including CBAT) better then TVN. But don't get me wrong....Donald and Walter... can do NO wrong. Later

User: so close and yet so far - the source | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: As a community service, I put the original japanese guestbook entries refering to this link into the web translator (guess I was bored). And this is what came out.

Source: http://6505.teacup.com/mayumayu/bbs

"New òê? Contribution person: Nightfly contribution day: December 2nd (month) o'clock of 19 47 minutes 33 second

Very. The curator is abandoned almost? It is the nightfly.
The new òê (album) with âzâôâ} (Steely Dan) it is huge? Sunnyhills? Me as many as 2 years are quicker than expectation, is.
Therefore with say, after 3 years, already it is sufficiently slow, however it is is.
Don't you think? it is the pleasure. You think tour you do certainly.

---

The kana which is tour? Contribution person: âtâBâIâi contribution day: November 30th (Saturday) o'clock of 16 30 minutes 05 second

You knew the thing of the new album with the mail of the â^âÅâîâR and were surprised very!
New release as the é¦é¦é+ the ahead further you think being, is unexpected.
Tour it does mean? With thinking, the framework framework it has done from now, (happiness!)"

Http: //www.towerrecords.co.jp/sitemap/C$$SfCardMain.jsp? GOODS_NO=641285 & GOODS_SORT_CD=101

b

User: Seamus | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Bill:

" P.M.S. Blues"

"Saks 5th Avenue Shuffle"

"The Minivan Twist"

"Soccer Mom Meltdown"

"Parking Space Negotiation In C-Minor"

"I've Got A Headache"

"Sea Of Demands"

"You Kids Shut Up"

Awesome stuff. Laughing out loud here at work. "Sea of Demands"....LOL!

Shay Shay

User: angel | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Music leaves its Mark on the Brain.

Today's LA Times has an article that says people who play musical instruments have larger brains. Click the link above (you have to register, to view it).

For the rest of us music lovers, here is a valid reason why we stick around this GB.
"Music is not necessary for human survival, yet something inside us craves it," said Dartmouth music psychologist Petr Janata, who led the global research team.

User: Bill @ TheLastVestigeOfHope.com | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Crazy am I?
Gone over the edge have I?
Well check this out and you will see that my conclusions bear further
scutiny my friends...

I believe that I have found the cause of our problem. The formula for
Steely Dan has been compromised my friends. Here's how...
During his acceptance speech at the Grammies Donald Fagen said the
following... "I'D LIKE TO THANK MY WIFE LIBBY TITUS".

AHA! Could it be that Donald's wife has been assisting in the
development of the later Steely Dan music? Could she be assisting
in the songwriting? I fear it could be so... and if it is so then
we've got a problem my friends, a big problem.

You see up until this point all songwriting and production has been
performed by men. I fear that including a woman into the mix could
upset the delicate balance of Dan. It could throw a cog into the
musical works which may cause the ultimate disintergration of the
very jazz-rock genre that these two men helped to create.
Yes, this is serious stuff here gentleman, serious stuff indeed.
If we don't act now all may be lost. We may wind up with songs like
the following...

"P.M.S. Blues"

"Saks 5th Avenue Shuffle"

"The Minivan Twist"

"Soccer Mom Meltdown"

"Parking Space Negotiation In C-Minor"

"I've Got A Headache"

"Sea Of Demands"

"You Kids Shut Up"

Yes gentleman, if all is not done to return Steely Dan to it's former
self now it may be too late in the future! Write your congressman!
Call the Whitehouse! Call out the Nation Gaurd! Call out the National Inquirer!

Please! If I don't hear another song like Royal Scam soon I may
have my 56th nervous breakdown over this subject!

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: lp: hmmm....that does resemble the personality of Bjorn Borg, come to think of it...

DATELINE December 13, 2002 1:31 pm
Pascagoula, MS

Senator Trent Lott (R-Hooters) has confirmed that he will be holding a press conference at 4 pm EST to announce that he WILL be growing a goatee. "I was hoping for the Gabriel thoughtful look." Lott m¦sed, "but it looks like my limited hirsuteness will result in more of a Tom Arnold kinda thing."

User: StAl | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: No way: Way. And doesn't that say something about you. Making a statement based on no experience or first-hand knowledge?

Both PG and Floyd rank in my top ten all-time favorite bands. Floyds work all the way up through The Wall is about the most consistent and cohesive work any band could hope for. I can't really say the same about Peter Gabriel. There are typically single cuts throughout his many brilliant albums that leave me feeling lukewarm. Blood Of Eden is a good example. Great songwriting, but does nothing for me. Comparing bands is patently unfair. I only meant it from the standpoint of arena shows. Though I'd give a testicle to see either band play a nightclub, I feel both bands actually belong in bigger arenas -- they actually excel there. Can't really think of too many artists I can say I'd rather see in a large venue. And it's my opinion that Peter brings something truly special to this environment.

Bill: A couple of my good friends, who consider themselves Steely Dan fans, thought Two Against Nature sucked for many of the same reasons you don't care for it. And like I tell them all the time -- you cats can fuck right the hell off.

As much as we may disagree with Bill, his opinion is valid. Plus, it's fun to watch YGK jump his ass.

Dano: I have a gotee and I'm 38. You got a problem with that mister?

You're just jealous.

StAl

User: lp | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: get the bear makes me immediately think of that horrible movie smokey and the bear

mu - was that freudian, "clam"?

dano - the man of the house is doing well - he's got the mister mom thing down to a pat - he is currently planning a meats and fishes christmas dinner with our local bagel nazi who we invited to christmas dinner - he is mourning the loss of a favorite and hearty clam flat that was closed until summer to let the clams do their thing and multiply, but the musseling is still plentiful on our side of the island (my harbormaster said it's like going around the cape of good hope to police our side, information i keep to myself)

menu to follow, tones, of course

aja - hopefully i am not considered a politician as the resident dog catcher here - though, i'd be a fool to not be political in my position - it's all in delivery

back to dot com christmas shopping...

User: Aussama Been Hidin' | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: YGK: "time moves forward, and living things do this thing called "development"." Hilarious.

Good weekend everybody!

Aus, making that list and chequing it twice...

User: mock turtle | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Doesn't 'you got the bear' mean that a cop is on your tail?

Maybe I'm just hanging out with the WRONG people...

User: Dano | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Guys , Cannot believe it , as soon as i get everyones email address , the poxy computer crashes again before i could back them up.Please be kind enough to send them again.Sorry to be an ejit but it would be appreciated.Thanks Dano.

StAl, Gabriel with a namby pamby Goateeeeeeeeeee, two rows from the front i would dive up there and cut it off, 50 odd going on 15 what a nonce??

Dunc , Is that game this weekend?? Maybe getting tix for Yids and Gooners on Sunday, but still got a hangover from Rangers doin us in!!

TWM , Theres always Europe for us mate??

t , ssssup good to read your posts again matey??

Ole , Info would be appreciated on Beach Life down your way??

Flori , How are the sisters , still doing the rounds mate.

lp , Is the auld fella ok , havent heard for a while??

Cyn , Need to send me your e-mail again , when you are back over the pond.

Check back in over the weekend , unless it goes Belly Up again??
Regards Dano.

User: YGK | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Bill,

Why in the world would D&W listen to anything you say? How could you think such a thing. I mean, your taste in music - to a point - is ok - but it seems to have stopped developing in 1979. Is that ALL that stopped growing Bill?

"Pretzel Logic is Steely Dan". Good Boy. You got that one.
"Gaslighting Abbie is not Steely Dan". Bullshit! The tight harmonies and twisted hook - you BET it's Steely Dan.
"FM is Steely Dan" - and a classic whack track - I personally like the sax solo version.
"Negative Girl is not Steely Dan". But you're a whack job there, pal.
"Babylon Sister is Steely Dan" - chaaaaaaa HA! the things you say!
"Two Against Nature is not Steely Dan - are you fucking kiddin me? 6/8 time signature, modulation to the TRITONE of the key, horn arrangements like Miles would love? That Long Island water disease pops it's ugly head again.
"Josie is Steely Dan - and a reasonable return to something like sanity.
"What a shame about me is not Steely Dan" - you are OUT of your FUCKING MIND. Classic story line, New York City Refs, hints of sex? I mean, what more do you want?

You see, Bill, time moves forward, and living things do this thing called "development".

Now I'm not certain that you've actually grasped this point based on your previous statements; so you're either dead or moving backwards.

D&W have developed (there's that word again), and their songwriting/arranging has, too. And y'know, their last effort actually won a Grammy (not that they need verificiation) while pitted up against a hugely popular rapper (despite the fact you don't like the medium - it IS popular) and gave us a new piece of work we're still chewing on.

So I'm anxiously awaiting their new work - hopefully, they will stretch and develop more.

But your statements are clearly those of someone who's gone over the edge. And if you hang on to that tree branch, maybe, just maybe, we'll pull you up to solid ground.

ygk

User: Q | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: "Tony Levin is a bass god" - I couldn't agree more.

"u" - great scoop on the Yamaha on the new one.

Florida seems to have been deemed "off limits" to the Touring machines in the last year. We, have gotten next to nothing! Everything is concentrated North of the Mason-Dixon Line for some reason.

User: Bill's Reaction | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: St. Al,

Fortunately I feel that I've broken D&W's shoelaces enough that they
will probably include a few songs on the next one that actually sound
like Steely Dan. What do I mean by "sound like Steely Dan"?
Here's what I mean...

"Pretzel Logic" is Steely Dan

"Gaslighting Abbie" is not Steely Dan

"FM" is Steely Dan

"Negative Girl" is not Steely Dan

"Babylon Sister" is Steely Dan

"Two Against Nature" is not Steely Dan

"Josie" is Steely Dan

"What a shame about me" is not Steely Dan

Follow me?
The newer stuff lacks the edge of the prior stuff. Therefore, the
prior stuff was better. Hence we should return to the formula for
the prior stuff. If "You got the bear" is any indication, we can
assume that D&W also realize this and have decided to return to the
prior stuff. One way to return to the prior stuff is to include a
rock-based guitarist like Jeff Baxter (happy birthday Jeff!) or
possibly some other great guitarist like Jeff Pevar. In this way
we can recapture the allure of the prior stuff.

Thank You.

User: YGK | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Aja:
Ackchully, I think we should strap them up, y'know?
and then...............

Boar

Bristle

Brushes

how you doin, there, kiddo?

ygk

User: Barristre | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Aja: Kill all the lawyers? Seriously? That would mean no more posts from Pink and Aus. What gives lady?

B

User: No Way | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: W1P- I've never seen "Peter" in concert but, it's very hard to believe he's "on par" with Pink live. I just can't believe that.

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: The Swedes are a clam, peaceful people:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2001%2F06%2F16%2Fwsum116.xml

Who many years ago figured out how to avoid a Mississippi:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1997/08/27/wswe27.html

and

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=%2Farchive%2F1998%2F04%2F12%2Fwswe12.html

BTW, We're saving OUR asses, and a few of the Swedish bikini models...but not ABBA, no not ABBA...

User: Midlife Bruiser | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Jeff "Skunk" Baxter turns 54 today. So does Ted Nugent. Something about having that birth date and lusting after big guns, eh?

User: Who's Next? | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2002571983,00.html

"... good doggies
that's my doggies
Now you go out and get me the Steelys
Or whoever the fuck have stolen my Grammys"

Bakre - Yes indeed, warm, warm thoughts on the cold front, cause for celebration. An ounce will do just fine for now, danke.

"Bliss for blasie and canajanees
Now can keep warm 'round a 30g phattie..."

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 13

Message: Tones - "suddenly so concerned for"?

I watched a documentary on TV, showing the cottonfields and the poverty and the illiteracy and the kids, who has nothing to look forward to, more than crack-kicks and spending time in jail.

I've been sitting in a friends livingroom in Louisiana, listening to his talk about the niggers, and how they could kill themelves down in the project-areas, he doesn't care (as long they stay away from HIM and HIS family, and if they don't, he has a closet filled with guns and ammunition).

And the Doc is sitting here showing statistics and figures and is comparing Mississippi with Sweden, which is plain stupid.p>The bottom line is that USA doesn't take care of their own people.

Still they're out for saving the world.

It doesn't make sense.

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: St. Al there's no question that Peter is at least on par with Floyd live. Also I think this new LP is much superior to The Division Bell. However, taking the balance of Floyd material my preference is Pink. The second row was pure serendipity -- my wife's best friend owns a record company! I'd rather be lucky than good (now if I can just get him to help me with A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd - hmmmmmmm)

User: Aja...................politics as usual | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: For the truly cynical: Trent Lott, and Bush's need for black votes: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=544&e=1&u=/ap/20021212/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_lott_11

After we kill the lawyers, let's kill the politicians.

Aja

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: The problems of our poor requires much more than monies poured into our Social Programs. All of these programs should be made to be more accountable for the funds allocated to them. I have seen a great deal of waste and mismanagement in our State. The majority of my work as an Advocate is spent trying to ensure that the School Systems or (another agency )provide something that the Special-needs child is legally entitled to. Lack of funds is almost always the reason the School Officials give for the reason why they aren't complying with the law.When I ask what happened to the additional funding that the school system is allocated for each disability listed, (for example, My child has 6 various disabilities, so the School System get an additional $18,000.00 per fiscal year to educate him) they seem at a loss for an explaination. Our schools are the only branch of State Government that does not have to display their budgets. I see the amount of my Property taxes which are taken for Education and multiply that by what my neighbors must be paying as well. The amount is quite substanstial. Like most parents, I participate in all fund-raising activities the PTO have. If I ran my Business and personal finaces in such a wasteful, slipshod way I'd be filing bankruptcy in no time.
Still, Schools alone can not be expected to shoulder the responsibility of teaching Life Skills to our children. They are only one part of the equation. Addressing the problems of the poor is a very complex issue.

El Supremo, I often ask myself why we can not use more alternative fuels? It is cleaner and would be easier to produce. One can manufacture Gasahol with sawdust and corn. The farming industry would get a much needed boost, and we could break our dependency on Foriegn Oil. Of course the big oil tycones wouldn't have as many reasons to make such huge compaign contributions... lol lol
Wild Bill, Have you been taking your meds babe? *wink*

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: Aja, my dear, you're delusional, which is perfect for we Dandomites...and we love it and are all like that

Now $50 million in tax cuts, THAT's a drop...more more more

and I want more digital Dan gearhead info as well...

User: StAl | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: W1P: Now you see why I've been babbling about his live shows for years now. And though I wouldn't expect you to agree with my opinion that he does a big auditorium/big production better than Floyd (comparison isn't fair, I know), perhaps now you might understand why I'm so f'ing excited I could pee myself. 2nd row -- you lucky dog.

Tonez is next...

Can't wait. Gonna spend the afternoon bouncing around the EMP museum, followed by libations at the Liquid Lounge, and then THE SHOW. A great climax to a whole day of musical orgy. Full report on Wednesday -- Thursday at the latest.

What I'm looking forward to most about the new Steely Dan album -- Bill's reaction... Put the lighter down, man -- the 70's are over...

Ok, that was a BIG exaggeration. I can care less about Bill's reaction.

StAl

User: Aja...................more politics as usual | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: whoa, did I start that?

I knew I'd get in trouble by not recalling the exact figure given, and yeah, 50M sounds way too low, but the point was that the monetary cost of 9/11 was a scratch to a 5 trillion a year economy (or whatever the figure was!)

tonesy, you don't post enough! ;o)

Aja

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: angel: Cool...Scheiner fournd a way to get an analog reverb sound within the digital domain:

"NOTHING BUT YAMAHA SREV1 FOR SCHEINER AND STEELY DAN

ùEngineer/Producer Talks Shop on Reverb and DM2000 at Yamaha AES Boothù

LOS ANGELES, CA (October 5, 2002)ùIf you haven't heard by now, Elliot Scheiner has a Yamaha DM2000 digital production console in the comfort of his very own studio. He'll be talking about his use of the console and the projects he's currently working on during the AES Show at the Yamaha booth (#1401) on Saturday, October 5th between 1:00 û 3:00 PM and again on Sunday, October 6th between 1:00 û 3:00 PM.

The five-time GRAMMY winner, producer and engineer has also been a long-time advocate of the Yamaha SREV1 digital audio reverb, which he used *exclusively* on the new Steely Dan album, set to be released in 2003. "We were looking to get the plate sound we had on earlier Steely records for this CD," he states. "We brought the SREV1 into the studio, and after Walter and Donald listened to it with me, we continued to use it for the entire project. It's outstandingàwe didn't need to use any other reverb at all, that was it.

"I'd use the SREV just for the 140 sound," Scheiner continues. "If I closed my eyes and hadn't known it was a digital reverb, I would have thought it was an old 140. "I'm amazed at the sound of this reverb; it has the best plate sound I've heard in 25 years."

As for the reverb's pre-delays; on one of the new Steely tracks, Walter [Becker] and Scheiner were attempting to get an analog sound. "I thought I'd put in a pre-delay using an analog tape machine," he explains, "but when it was all said and done, the pre-delays within the SREV1 itself sounded better than the analog delays. The quality was phenomenal."

Scheiner is currently putting the finishing touches on the new Steely Dan CD, and is busy working on a host of new projects using his DM2000-equipped studio,"

Reverb is just a small part of the recording process...and they may have started with an analog tape, as suggested by the ¯ site weeks ago, before adding a special effect...anyway, it won't be long before we know if the Next One is ADD or DDD or whatever...

t: I've been sniffing film fixing solution again in the lab so we're all a bit loopy now...having a nightmare of Hillary as a real estate agent...

I spammed W and Congress last night to boot Lott - think it'll work?

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/12/lott.comment/index.html

User: angel (Googling on my lunch hour) | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: Has this article turned up on this site? I thought it was interesting. Especially regarding the analog sound Elliot and Walter wanted on one of the tracks.

http://www.giles.com/yamaha1/pr/trade/AES/AES2002/SREV1_steelydan_1002.html

Here is the tip of the iceberg, regarding the machine in action. It turns up on several radio stations, I just checked my local one.

http://star103fm.com/common/launch/121002/121002_steely_dan_just.html

St. Al: Thanks for the information on the processers. Hoping Santa stops by our place this year.

User: Roving Reportre | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: Which One's Pink?: Tony Levin a bass god. Yep. Come East for more if you care:

The Tony Levin Band: January 10th 2003 @ The Bottom Line (15 West 4th Street [corner of 4th and Mercer Street]). Intimate venue.

They play again in the Spring at the same venue on March 29th, 2003.

Roving Reportre

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: Indeed The Blind Boys did a smokin set followed by two mindbending African fellows, on instruments with which I am unfamiliar, singing melodies strange and wonderful. Both opening acts later made appearances in Peter's set. Tony Levin is a bass god. People dancing to Solsbury Hill -- I kid you not. Of course, I had never heard his new album but now I know its a must have. Standing alone, the stage set up "in the round" at center court is worth the price of admission. Peter and Melanie walking upside down on a track, making the audience "the Barry Williams Show," the giant plastic ball, well you're just gonna have to see it to believe it. And I only went because the tickets got dropped on me -- what an idiot. Oh and one more thing -- there were like 10-12,000 in the Staples Center and people who work for the band went to the upper levels to hand out lower level tickets so everyone could get a better seat.

User: Holy F**king tones | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: Doktor ¦ - sorry for the confusion. I'm Mr. Crossfire. It was early... I was trying to be clever... you know, sign in strangely... anyway...

What you said is interesting, but doesn't really dispute my point. Whitewater being part of the S&L fiasco just makes it a *redundant* waste of time and money. And those poor kids in Mississippi Clas is suddenly so concerned about didn't see any of that 60 million either.

Here's the link to the entire excerpt for those who are interested:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Corporate_Welfare/S&L_Bailout.html

W1P - Can I buy a vowel? Glad you went. I'm 2 days away and St. Al is about 4... Is there an opening set? I was wondering if the Blind Boys did their thing before Pete comes out...

one world

t

User: Bakre | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: Duuuude...where's my Graffix? Way to go Canada!

TORONTO (AP)--Getting caught with 30 grams (about an ounce) or less of
marijuana should bring a fine, not prison or a criminal record, a Canadian
Parliament committee said Thursday.
Its report, the second from Parliament calling for an easing of marijuana
laws, comes as Canada's Supreme Court prepares to hear a constitutional
challenge to imprisoning pot smokers.
Justice Minister Martin Cauchon said this week that legislation to
decriminalize marijuana could be introduced in the first four months of 2003.
All that has U.S. anti-drug forces worried. John Walters, director of the U.S.
Office of National Drug Control Policy, said Thursday that Canada faces
increased marijuana use if it liberalizes its laws. That means more smuggling
of Canadian-grown pot into the U.S. and increased U.S. measures to halt it, he
said.
Canada already is a major source of marijuana for the U.S., with an estimated
C$4 billion worth smuggled in each year.
"I don't think this is going to destroy relations" between the North American
neighbors with a rich history of friendship and cooperation, he said. "My
theory is it's going to cause unnecessary harm to our citizens and our children
on both sides of our borders."
Thursday's report by a House of Commons committee on drugs said too many young
Canadians get a criminal record for the relatively minor offense of smoking a
joint.
Rather than legalizing marijuana, as recommended by a Senate committee earlier
this year, the Canadian House panel proposed a fine or other sanction instead
of the maximum six-month jail term for possession.
The report also differed from the Senate committee by not calling for an
amnesty for the estimated 600,000 Canadians people with a criminal record for
possession of cannabis products.
It proposes government education and prevention programs for young people,
naming a drug commissioner to report on national drug strategy, and more money
each year for the Canadian Center on Substance Abuse.
The Canadian Supreme Court will hear a constitutional challenge to marijuana
laws on Friday, with the basic argument that people cannot be imprisoned for
something that isn't harmful.
Walters called that argument a myth, saying 60% of drug-dependent Americans
are hooked on marijuana.
"For people who try to tell Americans marijuana is not something we have to
pay attention to -it's a lie," he said.
The issue joins a growing list of differences between the North American
neighbors that share the world's largest trade partnership, worth more than
US$1 billion a day.
Despite their military ties and common democratic values, Canada has
traditionally adopted more liberal social policies. Examples include diplomatic
ties with Cuba, a ban on capital punishment and more lenient immigration
policies.
Last year, Canada implemented a medical marijuana program that allows some
patients to possess and grow pot.
Eight U.S. states have taken some kind of step toward permitting the medicinal
use of marijuana: California, Washington, Oregon, Alaska, Hawaii, Maine, Nevada
and Colorado. The U.S. Supreme Court, however, has ruled there is no exception
in federal law for people to use marijuana, so even those with tolerant state
laws could face arrest if they do.

On the Net:
Canadian site advocating +marijuana+ culture:
http://www.cannabisculture.com
U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration at http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/

(END) Dow Jones Newswires
12-12-02 1413ET- - 02 13 PM EST 12-12-02

User: El Supremo | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: Aja: You're absolutely correct. War sucks. People often confuse pacifism with cowardice. I would rather solve our problems over here than start a war with Iraq. It's so easy to pick a fight when there's so much to gain (oil). Sad. Instant Karma, baby. Instant Karma.

Everybody else: I'm relatively new, but to my horror, this "handle" "was not my own"! Is there an El Supremo out there? If so, I'll quietly assume another name (maybe something witty like...shit, they're all taken! What do I do?)

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: St. Al -- here's my review of last night's Peter Gabriel show at the Staples Center from the second row --- Holy F**king S**t

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: Thanks to Lee over in the Bluebook for pointing to Babelfish in "translation" of the Tower.jp stie from Japanese to English

I think I might have a better time sticking with Japanese, but the literal translation is hilarious:

Artist : Steely Dan Genre: MUSIC > POP/ROCK

Title : Undecided

[Picture of TvN here]

The other commodity of this artist you see á
The review you write
Price: \2,400 [yen]

If now, the W point! The inside of reservation acceptance
You insert in the bag, (the Add To Bag)
The number of points: 8

To purchase methodological help

Domestic board CD
Sale day: 2003/02/19

[reservations taken here or release date????]

Label: Warner Bros.

[Giant is kaput and absorbed by Warner Bros., so it will be a Warner relase]

Group quantity: 1
Commodity number: WPCR-11441

The genius chestnut thornback tar which represents the music * scene, 4 sections was awarded ??????

[refers to Grammys?]

* Don's who consists of the ???? * ????? and the Walter * ????, ???? prize the new * album after " to * ?????? * nature " empty 3 years release decision.

[3 years since release of TvN?]

This time the great guest wide participation schedule, being new century, never, such as him who does not have the fact that it fades the unique sound world being able to have enough you are not wrong!

[I couldn't have said it better!]

á The user's * review (the review by the customer)

á * Presently there is no user review. You scratch your review by all means and densely are please be! -> The review is written, (as for utilization code this way )

[I've got an itch right here!]

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: Hey Crossfire: I hate to tell you, but WHITEWATER was part of the S&L meltdown!

The economy in Arkansas, Oklahoma, and especially Louisiana, and Texas were really cookin' in the 70s and early 80s. Speculation and irrational overexuberence took place (sounds oddly like the tech bubble, eh?). Some folks (like the Clintons or the other Bush brother) got greedy, and some ran their busniesses and banks the right way. The oil market went bust in the mid 80s, capital dried up, and it was forclosure and Chapter 11 City. Development and growth stopped right in it's tracks. Evaporated loans mean evaporated banks. Since S&Ls are not diversified, they are at high risk. You remember "It's a Wonderful Life?" It didn't matter - the good AND the J.R.s all went down. States that were able to diversify (Dallas is a big marketing, distribution, and fashion area) and had an education base were able to recover years later. Those who depended on BIG OIL alone and Little Oil or any Oil never crawled out of the hole - like Louisiana. In essence, the whole area of the country went to an economic depression in the mid 80s: deflation, high unemployment, low capital, and thus banks going out of business. FDR remember GUARANTEED banks and S&Ls and their patrons, the people...so the US gov't ended up honoring this law, we paid for it, and there's your deficit and 1991 national recession...

User: W & D Answering Service.... | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: 
Dear Bill:
There is the matter of some money you owe Donald when he was assisting you with building a deck. Apparently, he bought the Ring Dings and liquid accessories to get you both through the matter.

After careful consideration, we think the financials of the deck (and did Donald help you paint your motorcycle gas tank also? hhmmm....) need to be cleared up before we consider the 80 Million Dollar contribution.

Sincerely,
ThoseDaysAreGoneForeverOverALongTimeAgo

User: Today on Crossfire... from the lef-t... | Month: 11 | Day: 12

Message: Just to throw another perspective on all this right-winged mu-ey...

==================

excerpted from the book

Take the Rich Off Welfare by Mark Zepezauer and Arthur Naiman
Odonian Press, 1996

The S&L Bailout: $32 billion every year for 30 years

In 1989, Congress finally came up with $157 billion to bail out the S&Ls. But by that time, the costs were over $200 billion (and they continue to rise to this day). To make up the difference, the Resolution Trust Corporation was formed; it sold off the assets of failed S&Ls, mostly at bargain-basement prices in sweetheart deals.

For example, Robert Bass, one of the richest men in America, bought American Savings and Loan for $350 million, then received $2 billion in government subsidies to help him resurrect it. (With that much money, you could probably raise the dead.) During one week in 1988, the government promised $8 billion in assistance to nine S&L purchasers; one of them put $20 million down, and the other eight paid nothing.

That same year, the First Gibraltar Bank was merged with four failing S&Ls and sold to Ronald Perelman (at the time, the fifth richest man in America). Perelman and his partners paid just $315 million for $7.1 billion in good assets; the government then gave them $5.1 billion to cover bad assets, plus $900 million in tax breaks. In the first year Perelman et al. owned it, Gibraltar made a profit of $129 million and got an additional $ 121 million in tax breaks.

Check, please

The $157-billion bailout was financed by floating 30-year bonds, the interest on which will make the ultimate cost much higher. The actual total will depend on what interest rates end up being between 1990 and 2020, but estimates range from $500 billion to $1.4 trillion (in other words, 1,400 billion dollars).

(If we could predict interest rates, we'd be vacationing on Jupiter right now, s) let's just split the difference between these two estimates and predict that the ultimate cost for the S&L bailout will be $950 billion. That comes to about $32 billion a year-and we're locked into it for thirty years, no matter what we do or who we don't elect.

All this money will come from taxpayers and will go to the people who bought the bonds. So, ultimately, the S&L bailout amounts to a massive transfer of wealth from ordinary people to investors (most of whom are wealthy)-as well as to the crooks who looted the S&Ls. (Few of them were convicted, by the way, and the average sentence of those who were was less than two years.)

--------------------------------

Though Regan era deregulation created the perfect environment for these crimes, this was a bipartisan mistake, which is why nobody ever talks about it. This goes way beyond the previous administration, which happened to rally the economy, however dubiously, for *8 years* while the Republicans dragged their heels and wasted 60 MILLION DOLLARS investigating Whitewater and Lewinsky. Throw a major corporate scandal and a terrorist attack (which has it's roots in Regan era foriegn policy) on top of all that and there goes your "economy", which was/is based on lies anyway. Blaming the Clinton administration is real easy when you forget the fact that the country was way fucked up to begin with.

Yeah, build another stadium...

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: Aja: Sometimes answers are right in front of the ol' probiscus! My day gig is at a R&D and educational hub that houses 53,000 (similar to WTC #s), including "customers" and staff. 100 buildings at a conservative $150/sq ft (i've had to use these numbers during renovations the past few years as I had to redesign some facilities) gave me a *conservative* estimate of a physical plant close to $20 billion plus a couple of billion in contracts, grants, equipment, supplies, etc. I can't imagine the WTC's stand alone worth was 2.5 orders of magnitude (500 times) LESS...and also again, the impact of the WTC loss on the nation's economy...

I mean it cost a Billion to build a freakin' football stadium in Houston!

Bill, we could use a decent one here - throw in another million for free internet access for ALL to your new station!

User: Bill | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: Dear Donald and Walter,

Hi! I hate to interrupt you at this time to ask for money but I feel
that I have no choice. You see, Bluz and I were talking and it seems
that all the radio stations in New York suck. All they play is Rap
and techno dance music and whatever, it's a real mess.

Anyway, according to Bluz it should take about $80 million dollars
to start a major radio station in the New York metro area and I was
hoping you might see your way clear to lending it to us. Now I know
$80 million dollars sounds like alot of money, and it is to me, but
I figured that you guys probably keep that much around just for
odd and ends at the studio, so why not put it to good use and help
us start a radio station with it?

It'll be fun! Bluz is an experienced radio man and I can fill in for
a few hours a day and just do what I do best, confuse people.
Donald can come on for an hour or so and talk about growing up in
Kendall Park, New Jersey and Walter can talk about the avacado
business. We'll make money hand over fist!

I'm telling you, this is an opportunity we should'nt let go by brothers!
Alright look, I'm gonna be home most of the day tommorrow, give me
a call when you get the chance ok? $80 million bucks is a small price
to pay for the fun we'll have!

Thanks,
Your Pal Bill

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: $250 billion

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: Here we go again. With the Next One coming, we all know that none of we peons can solve the worlds problems, but when I smell Pretzel Math...

For those of you on the Left Coast, the World Trade Center was a humongous financial and business CITY, a hub of the best and brightest, a vital part of the whole US and global economy...

(1) Not only did 9/11 destroy hundreds of millions of property - just to build the Trade Center towers again would run at least a Billion...I mean they didn't blow a f**ing Walmart distribution center!

(2) Plus thousand of highly productive people lost their lives - there is no cost that is adequate for their families and friends!!!!!, but given their intricate positions in critical financial and business center, that's likely to run into close to a hundred million or more of lost productivity...

(3) Many service-related businesses around the area shut or slowed down - again millions of $$ - this is NYC after all!!!! millions and milions...

(4) The loss of capital in the Stock Market plunge evaporated billions of dollars (a few piasters of it mine)

(5) The airline industries were hit big time...how much is that united airline Chapter of 11 going to cost - hundreds of millions...

(6) Confidence within business, finance, and industry nationwide was shaken, especially, since a lot of capital was in the Stock Market, resulted in billions of loss of revenue..like a rock thrown into the pond grasshopper.

The "Bush" tax cut in the last year consisted of 2 parts:

(a) A biparitisan-driven rebate of up to $400/payer

and

(b) reduction of the bottom tax bracket from 15% to 10% 9again bipartisan)

Other tax cuts to come later, most in the last 5 years -

The resulting tax savings for the public last year was $50 million. In fact, it can be argued that since this money went to consumers, it helped to ensure the recession was more shallow than it could have been by stimulating public sector spending. Tax cuts, especially at the rate changes we are talking about here, do not cost the gov money (besides it's not the Feds $ anyway), it will generate money - JFK proved that first in the early 60s! The rest of the swing (about $250 for this fiscal year) was due to LOSS OF REVENUE due to -

(1) When stock values plunge, capital is lost. Some of this was the burst of the tech bubble, and some was 9/11, and a little was O'Neill's mouth - that's why he was canned finally. Instead of Capital gains which can be taxed at a 20-28% rate (I think), now we are talking about HUGE capital losses (just ask AOL Time Warner) - ergo no money for Uncle Sam or Company A which employs folks

Since Greenspan has cut interest rates about as far as possible, capital gain tax cuts are in order to spur growth. Why the extra incentive? People are afraid to INVEST because of Security and Economic issues...and don't get me started on our porous borders...

(2) With the economic slowdown, business demand is down, and people are layed off - they go from tax payers to welfare recipients

So (1) and (2) is One part of where the surplus went...

Here's the Other part

(a) The last administration fudged the numbers during the last 2 years of the term..not only did they play golf with Enron (I've got a jpeg if anyone wants proof), but they lied about the economy. note the recent "readjustment" of 2000s numbers - we hit the skids in the late summer of 2000 (coincidentally the end of the US leg of the last Steely Dan tour (I've got the tight relationship between the Dan the the Economy on the Bluebook somewhere ;-)...) Those numbers pere based on PROJECTED and irrationally exuberant growth indices based on fudged numbers...

(b) The last administration (as most) stole from the Social Security fund to help "pay off" the deficit. I've got news for you all. There is no lock box. There is no trust fund. There is no Santa Claus (man, we need a Dan holiday album)...it's all pooled together...

(c) Yes, war is expensive - that's why I'm critical of Bush's strategy to "just do what you normally do" - a clarion call like FDR made in WWII might have been more in order, though that more for this generation to chew than the WWII generation...

On Iraq - It's clear that Al Qaeda, North Korea, Iraq, Iran, some of the Saudi Arabian Royal family (and you through the Kennedys were large), Yemen (where Osama's family is originally from), parts of Indonesia, the Phillipines, the PLO etc. are loosely associated in a complex 5-D network - a 3rd World Spectre... Laurie Mylroie, an expert consultant with the Clinton admin. has tracked down Iraqi ties to WTC bombing I.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110002217

She believes that Iraq has been supplying Al Qaeda with intelligence and equipment and money for 10 years (substantiated by British, US intelligence and Marasoula, Saddam's former mistress) we have a small window to nab Saddam...based on the 12,000 page report, it appears Saddam has bio, chem, and nuke capabilities - just "hasn't put them together" wink wink....It's a whole new ball game, it's 3-D chess, and yes the do want to kill US...

Some, like retired Col. David Hackworth believe it's already too damn late based on current intelligence and info from Iraqi defectors including Saddam's "bombmaker" and very former son-in-law, before he went back (and was swiftly murdered). It seems more likely than ever that Saddam already has nukes and will used them if attacked, definitely against Israel and probably against us (e.g., missle on a boat)...Between Jimmy Carter, Hans Blix (former UN Nuke Inspector and current WMD Chief Inspector Clouseau for the UN in Iraq of course), and underestimation of Osama and the Axis of Evil by both Clinton and Bush pre-9/11, Pakistan now has nukes, India, North Korea, and Saddam and china can now hit us with theirs...best we can do, without something really sneaky, is to put Iraq with the Koreans in a box.

Right now, Saddam's in the stall mode (12,000+ in Arabic fer Chrissakes...it's either laugh or cry) while admiring his acid bath spas and playing a shell game with the WMDs in the sealed underground basements of his 100 palaces and in the homes, schools, Mosques of the poor trodden-down peoples...best bet is to whip up the Kurds and combine with a coup...

Having said that, I didn't notice much *protest* here during regime changes in *Kosovo/Serbia* and *Haiti*, neither of which presented a danger, nor were in our national interest...

User: Aja...................politics as usual | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: A Democratic budget reports that Bush's tax cuts have eroded the $5 trillion surplus three times more than the projected (not actual) cost of September 11 (projected includes costs of subsequent legislation, programs, government agencies, etc. started as a result of 9/11), but take the source into consideration on this. (though it still confirms that Bush, like the Canadians said, is a moron).

Aja

User: Aja...............is it Friday yet? | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: Dr. Mu-actually, the data I read from a high-placed financial exec said that 9/11 cost approx $50 million-nowhere close to several billion, and it didn't make much of a dent in the overall economy (sorry, don't have time to provide the exact figures/sources 'cause I'm running outta here and this is from memory). This person also went on to say that if Osama bin Laden had REALLY wanted to do damage to the economy, he would have trained accountants to infiltrate and sabotage our big 5 corporations. Like all acts of terror, the primary objective was to terrify millions by killing thousands horrifically, not to do financial damage.

War with Iraq is stupid, period. It will solve nothing, and we will pay for it in much more than just dollars.

Anybody watch "60 Minutes" last Sunday on the U.S. Government's advertising and selling of war with Iraq? "Dr. Strangelove" meets "Wag the Dog".

Aja

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: StAl: and 9/11 cost us tens of billions. No one wants two of those on their watch...

The key to MS and LA is education and diversitifcation of businesses while allowing neighborhoods to help themselves. That attacts capital and investment. Creating the right environment...years ago many poor blacks moved to Chicago and Gary IN where prospects turned out to be as bleak as the weather for many years...In the end it's a combination of a helping hand and providing the opportunity and means to overcome the obstacles of life...neighbors and attitude are much of the battle...thus it's as much a culture thing... that's the right moral balance of cooperativity and self-sufficiency... as economic. State govs there turned to a "reservation" model of floating and beachside Casinos...back to Dan programming...

User: StAl | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: W1P: That really sucks. Sorry to hear it...ya jaggoff...:)

Angel. Pentium vs. Celeron. 3 things. Cache, bus speed, and clock speed. Pentium's have more onboard cache, and run at higher bus and clock speeds. All equate to a faster chip. Celeron is Intel's answer to lower priced offerings from AMD, TI, Cyrix (R.I.P), etc.

For more info check this site out. Generally a great site for answers on "How Stuff Works."

http://www.howstuffworks.com/question268.htm.

MU: Amen brother. Trent Lott bites. Hard not to react to Clas's statement though -- he does have a point. How many BILLIONS is it gonna cost to fight some ridiculous war in Iraq? How many MILLIONS would it take to solve some of those problems in Mississippi? A sticky topic with no easy answers.

StAl

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: I'm so bummed. Someone just dumped pit tix for Peter Gabriel on me for tonight. I guess I'll go

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: Clas: As usual you've missed the obvious. The problem with Mississippi is not that it

(a) has the average per capita income of Sweden

or

(b) that it's next to Louisiana

No, the major boil on Mississippi's ass is the idiot Senator they elected, Trent "not a" Lott 'o brains. King of the Pork Barrel spenders and 2 closet racist statements about Sen Thrumond's Segragationist Dixiecrat run for the Presidency in 1948. I saw the CSPAN replay, and could tell from the audience reaction, that Lott had said something he should not have...sure he was probably drunk, and sure I and the press corps had to scurry to the history books to get info on an event (because Thurmond is so f**ing old) that happened with Donald Fagen was in diapers, but the dude has no moral or public policy authority to lead the Senate. Sure, Robert Byrd (D-WVa) was actually in the KKK and dropped the N-bomb a few times last year on the tube. and Hillary is know to drop the N-bomb and the J-bomb and the Democrats leadership tod Harlod Ford Jr. McCall and other black leaders (the real ones - not Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton) to go to the back of the bus during election time, but that's no excuse...will W twist arms to dump Lott, who's not a Kemp believer...or will he count Yemenese scuds?...damn, it's a good thing there's a Dan album coming out soon!

User: Bill | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: Michael Franks
The Beacon Theater, December 14th

I'll be the one in the orchestra section holding the "It's about time"
sign.

User: angel (big sale at the package store) | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: St. Al: What is the difference between pentium and celeron for processing? Is it a case of you get what you pay for?

User: angel | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: Blaise: Ok, I can go with the fuzzy math here. Tuesday here, Wednesday there. Why not. As they say, something to add to the Ole's pool.

User: SteveeDan | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: Clas - The first BS&T album was one of my favorites as a child. I played it to death ... it was my brother's album and I wore it out ... I saved up my allowance and bought him another one. (The build up in the Intro to "Something's Commin' On" is still great in my book.)

One week from tonight, PRETZEL LOGIC appears at Platinum Live in the valley.

One week from tomorrow night, PRETZEL LOGIC appears at Johnny Foxx's in West Los Angeles / Palms.

"... we love to tour the southland ..."

Stevee-Plugging-Dan

User: The Frog | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: That's right see?
This new cd better rock see?
Otherwise it's curtains see?
Yeah...that's right, Curtains!

User: b - the little house with the swirls on top - unspecified | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: angel - I don't know how it works in Japan, if the weekly release dates are the same. But If it's Tuesday here, it's often already Wednesday over there anyway, right? Ha! It might be seen as a possible ballpark figure at any rate.
I do know that they seem to project their upcoming releases further in time than we do. And they may not be held to the same conditions in terms of secrecy over there, as ole pointed out to me. Billboard doesn't even have an "upcoming releases" page anymore, for example. Our web is crumbling down. We do what we can with what we got. Metzger Don't here no mo. Even Thomas Broberg is stuck in pre-9/11 mode, still, look. Not everyone got the news, hush now... let sleeping dogs lie.

User: MinuteMouse | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: Don't worry Courageous! I'll fix it with my Anti Lite-Jazz Gun!

User: CourageousKat | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: Let me be the first to say that the next Steely Dan CD MUST INCLUDE
a few tracks like "You Got The Bear" or it will be considered a
total failure and maybe even the swan song for Steely Dan Inc.

So, Donald and Walter, take your time...you're under no pressure at all.

User: angel | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: Blaise/Ole: That date could be significant because it is the closest one to Walter Becker's Birth date of February 20th. But isn't it a Wednesday?

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: Hey all! Good news about the Steely Dan release....I tend to view waiting for their new stuff as an exercise in learning to be more patient.. lol lol Is anyone else listening to Carter Wood? I got the chance to see her in concert. She's great.
Clas, you made some excellent points concerning our poor. I live in a State where there is a great divide between the "haves" and " have nots". I've seen letters from children to Santa Claus requesting such basic necessities as a coat or socks for Christmas. There are many despairing aspects of poverty's impact on children: A Victim mentality and learned helplessness, the esteem issues... It is a vicious cycle. I particularly feel for the "undeserving" poor. They are often neglected by Church and Social Charities because their life styles do not meet the the standards by the afore mentioned organizations.It isn't very gratifying being charitble to a person that is an Alcoholic, a drug user or sexually promiscuous and lazy about birth control. But is their basic needs any less than any of ours?I think that for most of us, it is more comfortable to turn a blind eye to the poor. We salve our conscience by writing a check to some Charity and go about our lives. We are not cruel or uncaring, but apathetic.
My Viking, I have an order for 30 ornaments. I'll be at my furnace all day. I'll check in before I head back to Lexington. (maybe around 10:00pm your time) I love you too.
Drew, My messages are getting bounced. Please call me at Ed's tonight. I'll be at the Gallery until about 12:00 your time. Are you up for some ice-climbing?
In peace and love M

User: ûóÆF | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: oleander - using this: http://www.solon.org/cgi-bin/j-e/dict
I could pretty well figure out the text on that: http://www.towerrecords.co.jp/sitemap/CSfCardMain.jsp?GOODS_NO=641285&GOODS_SORT_CD=101

It speaks of a yet "unspecified" (ûóÆF) title by artist Steely Dan, set for future "release" or "issue"(ö¡öäô·) on that date, 2003/02/19.

Title would be specified if it was simply a re-issue, normally.
You may be right and this could possibly mean more than I thought at first.
Intriguing stuff.
b

What? No japanese text support?

User: Howard | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: Duncan - there were a few tracks that appeared on Andy Metzger's site, and then disappeared a few days later. They were:

You Got The Bear
Were You Blind That Day (essentially Third World Man with different lyrics)
Kind Spirit
Gaucho (drums and keyboards version)
Time Out Of Mind (demo)
Kulee Baba (full band version)

Howard

User: Clas @ Work | Month: 11 | Day: 11

Message: Duncan - no, I haven't, my email is above. Take out the "you know what".

SteeveDan - you do remember? Bobby Colomby was/is a great drummer. And he also made the music-world a great favour when he "found" Jaco Pastorious. BS&T were playing down in Miami and Jaco's wife got in contact with Colomby and asked if he would be kind and listen to Jaco. Colomby thought, "Hey, why not, maybe I'll get a good laugh". Rest is history.

---

I watched a documentary last night, about a third world county down on the Mississippi Delta. Unbelievable. You guys are going out for saving the world, and you harbor this poverty, misery, those poor people in your OWN country? The kids has hardly a school. And they can't read or write. They are trapped in this Evil Cycle of Drugs, Ignorance and Jail.

And you're doing NOTHING about it, you, the Brightest Shining Beacon for Freedom and Justice.

User: Luckless Pedestrian at home | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: duncan - yes, that was a live recording, i happen to have the very same one - yes, that is royce jones on vocals - jim hodder on drums, jeff baxter on guitar as well - my favorite is the untitled instrumental, it's fun to watch them play with what was released later, fascinating stuff - i also like this version of do it again as well as a speeded up king of the world

i would offer to make you a copy but green earring would never speak to me again since the pile of stuff i owe him remains to be great in size and quality

tones - on my cd player this evening is "oh mercy" by bob dylan - great stuff, i'm so pleased!

if you do not have the 1996 dave brubeck christmas, it's really a lovely find - dave on piano, but you feel the greatness of the boston symphony

back to ordinance writing, people up here all excited for 101 planning, hey whatever, i'll take it - also, i must tell you all it's really cold up here, but the sky is so clear it's unreal

st al - send a snail mail address to me for your card with the harbor in the background - no digital shots yet, someone has them of the shoreline for us at shutterfly dot com but i have no idea how to access them, lol

User: pq | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: my world's gone upside down

User: db | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: ooops

User: Aja.........still not working | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: Question: there's now a disclaimer on the ODP tour dates page, clarifying that these are dates from 2000, and any FUTURE dates will be announced on the touring page. Was that there before?

(fingers crossed)

Aja

User: aja try this one... | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: help d&W are kickicking my butt ''live'' wise

User: db | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: Royce Jones....??????
on vocals (sp)
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
(any major dude )

User: Aja..............not working | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: Duncan-I e-mailed you as instructed, but nothing back.......now I am tantalized-live music?

Aja

User: one last question | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: record plant live 74
any major dude live....who's singing ?

User: duncan....going for a new record !!!!!!!!! | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: I'm listening to the ''live'' record plant tracks from 74
christ there bitchin !!!!
Q1
are they live i cant here a crowd
Q2
who's playing
Q3
the quality is fantastic...sound board tape ?
Q4
when's the tour

candy shop
christmas
birthday
cd
tour confirmed
steak & scampi

that's what i'm feeling tonight

User: Duncan | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: Aja...e-mail me i have something for you.
addy above

User: Duncan | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: Beers/StAl/Steevedan ... mail heading your way now.

What was the name of the track D&W asked Andy Metzler to take down ....again?

Cheers Steevedan.

any possibility of making the 03 wingding between july15th - sept 1st
(UK school holidays)
Were planning a trip stateside & would hate to miss it.
db

Clas you get my post ?

User: Aja...................where's my 2nd A to run to? | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: Duncan-possibly, but you haven't heard the version I get to hear on a regular basis-2nd A played by The Steely Damned, with Hank Easton on lead. It ROCKS!

Aja

User: lp | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: yep, the very one, Tom Kenney - 2 years ahead of me in school, nice catholic education we all received and rebeled against - lol - he does alot of voiceovers for Nickelodeon

his sidekick, who found fortune and fame and fell into the depths of whatever was the infamous Bobcat Goldthwait - they were a comedy twosome in the comedy scene in syracuse, ny - used to get the nuns all spooled up with hallway antics

my brush with fame, yes indeed

but i digress from the business at hand

is the graphic on the ODP in kind with the graphics for the release? is Bumpus back in the subways of the great city of new york? is Tom Scott kicking himself for not continuing his alliance with them since he's now reduced himself to being the band leader of ABC Christmas specials (did you see THAT? it was demoralizing)?

only the shadow knows...or Blaise, possibly...hehehehehehe...

User: El Supremo | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: I'm sorry. I normally don't post twice in the same breath, but are you THE Don Pardo? The one who sang on Zappa's "The Legend of the Illinois Enema Bandit"? You're cool. What a voice.
)

User: El Supremo | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: i'm so excited. my mind is all a-whir just thinking about the new one. ahhh. the new one. nobody pinch me.

User: Don Pardo | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: You went to school with the voice of Sponge Bob? Hey, remember that autobiographical sketch of my life on SNL?

User: lp | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: hey, i went to high school with the voice of sponge bob - LOL

bob dylan - yes, that would be cool, but unlikely

i'm sure it will be the usual supsects with a few up and coming berklee grads

User: Racer X | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: So now all you so-called "regulars" show up huh?
Where were you during the lean years baby? Where?

User: Hutch | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: Miz D. - That graphic on the ODP looks like it was written on a birch tree with the bark peeled up. Reminds me of a Lord of the Rings type of thing.
My guess is 3/11/03. Has anyone taken that one?

User: S H A M E L E S S ... P L U G G I N G ... T I M E !!! !!! !!! | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: Yes my friends ... the wait is over ... now it's straight on to the agony ...

Your humble narrator's band:
PRETZEL LOGIC - A STEELY DAN REVUE
can be seen live, up close, and personal in a little over a week.

Wednesday, December 18th, at Platinum Live (in the valley on Ventura Blvd. just east of Tujunga) - this club is top notch. They have a huge stage, a beautiful interior, and a state-of-the-art surround sound system. In short, this place ROCKS. We go on at 8:30. Come see us at this gorgeous up-scale venue.

But wait ... there's more ... the following evening ...

Thursday, December 19th, at Johnny Foxx's in West Los Angeles (on Motor Ave. between National Blvd. and Palms Blvd.) we play at this cozy, newly updated neighborhood pub. The management has recently upgraded the lights, sound, and even extended the stage ... just to accommodate us !!! Johnny Foxx's is becoming one of our regular haunts. Come on down, and bring some of those spirits with you. We start at 8:30 PM.

And finally, for those of you who like to plan ahead ...
PRETZEL LOGIC will be playing at the famous Baked Potato in Hollywood (on Cahuenga near Lankershim ... at the foot of Universal Studios) on Sunday, February 2nd, 2003. Get your tickets early! Just kidding, but it is a small club, and it will fill up, so show up early ... that evening, I mean.

On behalf of the band, I sincerely hope that you Los Angeles-proximate guestbook readers will be able to attend at least one of these shows ... and please feel free to bring 30 or 40 of your closest friends with you.

Thank you for your support.

EssDan (C-F, BL, MD, KM, and Publicity Coordinator for PL-ASDR)

User: SteveeDan | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: Hi Duncan û ODP is the "Official Dan Page", as in www.steelydan.com. I didn't know what this meant in my early days here in the yellow.

Doctor ¦ - I again thank you for the revised list of songs and the musicians who played on them. I am going to show them to Jake F. and others I know who are knowledgable in this area and let you know if anyone has any suggestions or corrections (in their opinions, of course). Regardless, it was a huge task, and I am very thankful to you for taking it on. That other list was a hoot too.

Clas û I have never had the pleasure of seeing the original BS&T live (too young ...), but I remember that intro that you mentioned by Bobby Colomby. It seems like what they started, Chicago modified and made even more successful. Didn't Bob Dylan have a song about this? Lay lady lay, ... lay across my big brass band?, Um, no.

The "nuveau un's" release date ... from a logistics standpoint ... they'll probably tour again, and in order to do so, ... to be able to successfully tour Japan, USA, Europe ... they need to get the CD released in Spring at the latest and start to get all of the gig venues set up across the USA and around the world. And we all know now that their tours are successful ... and it will have been three years since their last CD and tour, so, the less ardent Dan fans will be interested in buying tickets to see them again ... This is my hope ... and I also hope that my logic is reasonable.

As for wishing for the obscure tune or 3 to be played at the next (dare I dream it!) concert, how about Wetside Story, or Kulee Baba, or how about FagenÆs CenturyÆs End, or Big Noise, New York? The mind reels with thoughts of possibilities ... and how about some of those great 11TOW Becker tunes? I'd hate to see those lapse into obscurity ... Hat Too Flat would be wild live ... those who don't know the Whack CD will be knocked flat ... or go and get refreshments ... whatever. In a strange, obscure way, there is a Joni Mitchell tie-in with that song, ... with all that bohemian percussion at the front and the back of the song juxtaposed with the smooth lushness of the harmonically complex chorus section.

Did someone say DanFest? Well, I know of at least 4 Steely Dan tribute bands which could be called upon to host such an event in Southern California (2 of them in LA would be into it for sure) ... perhaps the shindig would be held at one of the big hotels ... I also know of another band whoÆs manager would be interested in helping out (hi W1P ... say hello to W2P and little W3P for me ). This could become a real summer smoker, and I am sure that we will have lots of provisions and lots of beer ...

This week is certainly shaping up nicely, doncha-all think?

and now it's time for some ... wait for it ... wait, wait, wait ...

User:  | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: you = yer

User: Modesty Blaise | Month: 11 | Day: 10

Message: Walter - blast me you e!

Hey, maybe we'll be treated to some html hints on The Next One fairly soon.
Like this we had for the last one, then dubbed the "New One":

http://www.steelydan.com/2vnwait.html

Aww Mu, excellent calls. I myself hear a reworked Kind Spirit with Michael McDoobie doubling the vocalese, Larry Carlton punching in some tasty riffs in there... or not. That's just the current state of my delirium on it. Anything is possible. There very well might be a few surprises in store. I guess it would be easier today, after the Grammy wins to have this kind of guests sitting in for sessions.
And certainly, elements of past unreleased songs might show up, in more or less modified form, 'cause we know that's sometimes how they write.

User: t | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: I love it! So far my favorite song is "And Now............. The Beatles"...

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: ¯: ThatÆs...uhhh quite an idea (pardonez moi le pidgeon Acadianese)! Let's Bury this one...

Le Nouvelle Dan

Il sÆappelle:

Dans La Poubelle:

Produced by The Notorious Gustav and DJ Jazzy Tristan

Engineered by Roger Nichols & Mac G4 Dual-Processing Super HAL computer

Wetside Story:

Drums: Michael White
Bass: Sponge Bob & Patrick
Acoustic Guitar: Dean Parks
Electric Guitar: Walter Becker
Solo Guitar: Jon Herington (aka Harry, Hari, Hurry, Hoary)
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen
Trumpet: Richard the Leonhart (MichaelÆs brother)
Saxophone: Bernie Maloney (down in Tampa)
Trombone: Jim Pugh
Tombone solo: Jim Pugh
Percussion: Jim Pugh (trash can lid on trombone)
Glockenspiel: Donald Fagen
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Cynthia Calhoun, Vicky & Wormy

Fill it Up (not you Sting):

Drums: Peter Erskine
Bassball: Check Rainey (ChuckÆs brother)
Guitars: Jon Herington
Dean Parks
Almost Upright piano: Ted Baker
Freddie Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Amy Helm
Basting Clarinet: Lawrence Feldman
Trumpet: Michael Leonhart
Backing Vocals: Sheryl Crow (erased from Neil FinnÆs album)

Tantric Yogurt:

Drums: Chris Parker
Creamy smooth unwritten Bass: Chuck Rainey
Acoustic Guitar: Dean Parks
Electric Guitar: Paul Jackson Jr.
Born Again Piano: Michael Omartian
Vibes: Dave Shank
Percussive yawn: Yanni
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Cynthia Calhoun

This Song Does Not Have a Saxophone Solo:

Drums: Keith Hemlock
Bass: Walter Becker
Acoustic guitar: Dean Parks
Electric Guitar: Walter Becker
Slide guitar: George Harrison (via the real Ethernet)
Wandering Drunk Piano: Elton John
Percussion: Bruce HornsbyÆs range (cud chewing)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Moist Allison

Behind Bars

Drums: Keith Carlock
Bass: Walter Becker
Accordion: Walter Becker
Banjo: Dhani Harrison (extra-texture guest)
Piano: Ted Baker
Wurlitzer organ that sounds like a Synthesizer, but itÆs not: Donald Fagen
Background Vocals: Bob Dylan

Coolie Arrangement:

Drums: Keith Carlock & Michael White
Bass: Tom Barney
Guitar: Larry Carlton (pre-programmed by Mac G4; deep electrodes courtesy of Warren Kruger)
Noodling Guitar: Alan Holdsworth
Piano: Ted Baker
Whirl - izzer Organ: Donald Fagen
Dueling Saxes: Cornelius Bumpus & Sister Rose
Nookyular Armament: Skunk Baxter
Backing Vocals: The Neville Brothers

And Nowà.......... The Beatles:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Bernard Purdie
Piano: Bernard Purdie
Fender Rhodes: Bernard Purdie
Backup Vocals: Bernard Purdie

Orchestration by Ed Sullivan (via The Ethernet)

Not now 58:

Drumsticks: Butterball
Nuanced Drumming: Rick Marotta
Bass: Courtesy of SamÆs bait shop
Guitar: Walter Becker (solo)
Piano: Ted Baker
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen (left channel), Donald Fagen (right channel)
Sax: Chris Potter
Gregorian Chant: The LSU football team

Empty Chairs:

Drums: Chris Parker
Liquid Bass: Sponge Bob & Patrick
Wind Chimes: Donald Fagen
Ocean sound: Stevie Wonder (IÆll take work where I can get it)

Untitled 10th Song

Drums: Vinnie Colaiuta
Bass: Tom Barney
Guitar: Robert Fripp
Piano: Joe Sample This
Electric Paring Knife: Freddie Krueger
Midi Thing Whatever that is: Donald Fagen
Tuba: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Joe Sample (crushing pecans)

All Lead Vocals: Donald Fagen

All Arrangements by Mac G4

User: oleander | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: Big Ed--Sign me up!! Either coast, Canada, UK, wherever. Here. I've got a great venue for the Damned, Miz D, for just such an occasion.

Yes, oh where is steviedan? Tones, he would keep his record shop open til midnight on Mon. nites so that he could release new discs. Those were some strange times with the Monday Night Irregulars.

Jimbo--More about JVC Fest, please....

Hank--as you wish.

User: oh | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: Aja: ref 2ndA
the version i heard was crap

User: Duncan...... | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: gulping....
cheers Miz Ducky.
I had the computer boffin round here tonight finishing off the rebuild.
finally located a full copy of super furry animals ''dont giva a fuck'' for the radio station.

played him the origional from 73...show biz kids....3.55 / 4/seconds long.
silence !!!!

he then tell's me he was'nt born till 79 !!!!

kid's & computers.

Don't know about anyone else but i'm excited !!!!

Danfest in NY I'm up for that
(Naples FLA second choice...i reckon i could sleep 30 at a push)
hell 40

db

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: I can't believe that the Dan are going to beat the Pink to a release date.

User: angel | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: Tones, You are just too funny.... :-)

User: t - nervously looking around the store... | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: angel - Uh, you might try your local *independant* music retail interface... ;-)

User: angel | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: Tones: Damn, that dumps both my dates. One is a Sunday and the other a Monday. Sob.....

Hubby working at the "package store" and he said you can get your a** fired if you release copies early. :-)

Ducky: Looks like the long lost scroll of Atlantis, to me.

User:  | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: somebody pleeeeeeeeease roust steviedan...

User: nu-voh Dan, in the ca-an... nu-voh, in the ca-an... 4 years of French and that's all I got... | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: b - as the official unofficial music retail interface for this modest geographical area, I passed out "new one's all but in the can" high fives to everyone who was in the store yesterday, though my friend (who's name is Dan, btw... ooooo... scary...) was the only one here... Most of our regulars have just now stopped expecting me to say "the new Steely Dan" when they ask me what's new and good...

Angel - nope, Tuedays it is... though in special cases like (I shudder to utter...) E-mini-em's last one, they released it the previous Wednesday because it was being pirated faster than they could press them. But that's pretty rare. (pssst... btw, if your nice to your local music retail interface you might be able to pick up the new one a day early when the new releases arrive at the store...)

Hey there Miz Ducky... good to read you!

Ed - I think that's a great idea. I'll bring the hats and hooters and the battle apple polish...

smiling and twitching...

t

User: lp | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: personally, a finalized version of wetside story would be hopefully not too much to ask

yes, ward, the bar harbor club has closed for the season, so the only direct flights out of bangor are to ny and boston - can't even get to west palm without changing planes and you know how i feel about that...

a show in the augusta civic center would also be awesome, but i do know that's too much to ask, maybe montreal **wink**wink**

User: Aja.............correction | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: make that "at this time in 1999". Sheesh, has it really been THAT long?

Aja

User: Aja..............kick off your shoes, it's party time! | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: Hey now, Monday ain't lookin' so bad! What a nice thing to see in my mailbox-a letter announcing a new one-Wooooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

Re: the possibility of a tour-I don't believe we knew about a tour at this time in 2000, either. In fact, I think it was announced after the release of TvN. In any case, I'm in for San Diego, NYC, and VA Danfests!

I hope they surprise us and put in some previously recorded-but-unreleased gem, like "This All Too Mobile Home", "Cash Only Island", or the elusive "2nd A". If we're hoping for a tour, might as well go all the way, y'know?! ;o)

Aja

User: Miz Ducky | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: Oh yeah again--Duncan, ODP == Official Dan Page.

Gotta watch them thar TLAs (Three-Letter Acronyms [ Microsoft Wage-Slave Slang])

/the duck
(yikes! three posts in a row! Well, after nothing for weeks, so ... so there!)

User: Miz Ducky | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: Oh yeah ... and while we're at it:

While pondering the brief missive now adorning the front door of the ODP, I found myself wondering--just what the hell is that graphic on which the missive appears? It looks like nothing so much as a slightly-unmade hotel bed, photographed from a camera in the ceiling fixture.

Anybody else got any entertainingly interpretive ideas? (Hey, we gotta while away the time somehow, y'know?)

/the duck
(always seeking new sources of amusement, even though, or perhaps because, she is easily amused)

User: Miz Ducky | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: Heheheheheheheheh ... and so it begins. Again.

'Scuse me while I let loose with a Reaction:

aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

[cough]

Thank you.

/the duck
(gearing up from Patiently Waiting mode to Expectantly Waiting mode)

P.S. to Ed Beatty--right on! Preach it, bruthuh! Sign me up!

User: Ward | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: June in New York for a DanFest? Hmmmmm. Ring the sirens and call the Times!

xox
Ward

User: lp | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: ed beatty - so glad to see you in here

i'm in for the boston/ny show danfests!!! release parties, is it too soon? yes, perhaps...

sigh...

User: angel | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: Oh, ye of little faith, I KNEW it was coming!!!!

More important to me, I can't wait for Walter Becker's pen to get back in action. He has been silent on this project for too long. Come on Walter, send us a post on the new one. You think they might spell Jon Herington's name right this time? Color problems on the CD? What's going on....

They release CD's on other day's besides on Tuesday, don't they? Tones?

Hoping for March, but we might make it to Mu's date in May.

User: Hank (I'll believe it when I hear it) Silvers | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: ole: No change, thanks. There's enough wiggle room in the ODP statement that I'll keep 02.03.04.

Watching the Eagles win again yesterday, I flipped from the Philly Fox station to the NYC Fox station and saw the end of a montage of covers from Sports Illustrated's Being of the Year, set to "Reelin' In The Years" -- not the CBAT version, I'm guessing it's the version from the Me Myself & Irene soundtrack. Funny, I never envisioned the song as a sk8r-boi-whatevah thrash, but it didn't sound bad that way, either...

User: Howard | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: 
Mike - about the SD horses photo, fair point. Should have checked the gig dates myself... Your idea makes sense.

Mu - I'm pretty sure it's a genuine shot, not an edited job.

So, the new CD is "all but in the can". Good news! Let's hope for sound snippets appearing in Feb or March, with the CD released fairly soon after. I'm stickig to my 1st June date.

Howard

User: Monsieur b - still reeling | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: No sarcasm here but maybe a flat note needs to be added: there was no mention of a tour in '03 anywhere, at all. This is just you guys wishful thinking, straying from the facts. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I can be entertaining.
But I'd rather wait for the Official word on it myself. mwaha

Mu, impressive work. How 'bout we try and guess the lineup for The Next One now? The tentatively titled "The Next One", I may add.
That will be one challenge alright. We know that Herrington played on a few tracks and that Bernard Purdie will claim to have played on most of the record. We know it's produced by Becker/Fagen and engineered by Elliot Scheiner. At least one of two Leonharts will be involved, I predict.
All lead vocals: Fagen?
I'll venture to think so, considering the trend.
I hear Jim Pugh on at least one wind-filled track.
Ted Baker sprinkles throughout, yes...
Larry Carlton? They did meet.
The mind reels.

ole- Not without my pseudo-silk kimono, never. It's cold out there. But could that February date really mean something? That's rather short notice. Time will tell soon enough, eh?

tones - You sell records, right? Forget French then, you gotta practice that sales pitch, like now: "Nouveau Dan, in the ca-an." "Nouveau Dan, in the ca-an."

Clas thinks I'm a whore. I feel all dirty for getting excited. I've gotta get all unexcited and cool again.
I gotta bore myself down. I'm all unhip in Sweden. We can't have that.
Hmm... Bore Self to Tears, you said? That just might work.

User: duncan | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: Clas..sent mail to swipnet addy

User: Clas @ Work | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: Check Findley = Chuck Findley

Isn't that the old lad from Blood Sweat & Tears?

StAl - do you remember Blood Sweat & Tears? Back when things were fresh? Before drumloops and cutting and pasting choire-parts and Rhodes-chops in Pro-Tools?

When Bobby Colombo came in on stage, played a 30 seconds drumfill into the song "Somethings going on", and the band was so tight, you couldn't squeeze in a backstage pass between the bass and the drums and the horns.

NSSS, you're too young.

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: ODP -Over Dose Perfection

User: Duncan | Month: 11 | Day: 9

Message: what does ODP .... mean?

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 8

Message: Three things to look forward to in 2003.

The new one out of the can and soon in our grubby little hands.

A tour. Hopefully with a stop in New York and Pittsburgh. If they bypass
Pittsburgh, I'll come to NYC anyway.

Tony Soprano whacking Furio for obvious reasons.

Oh, and the JVC Jazz Festival in NYC.

Okay, so that's four. New hopes for the new year pop in constantly.

User: ed beatty | Month: 11 | Day: 8

Message: Ok,
So there's one in the can.
Should there be the DANFEST TO END ALL DANFESTS IN THE YR 03?
Somewhere where we could all show up to.
Somewhere memorable or at the least if we all showed up it would be
just that memorable.
Something like a summer smoker just not underground.
Ideas,sugestions,comments,critiques,sarcasm all welcomed?

?

Ed Beatty

User: oleander | Month: 11 | Day: 8

Message: ...speaking of all but, Blaise, I won't eat your mawashi, but you can wear it to the awards ceremony....

User: oleander | Month: 11 | Day: 8

Message: HOT DAMN!!!!

Ahem, o ye of little faith: any '04 and '05 guessers want to change back to '03 for the pool? There are still lots of Tuesdays left.

And you all should thank Themselves for narrowing the betting field!

In the can, baby! Even if "all but," which could mean any number of things....

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 8

Message: compiled

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 8

Message: Re- re-Edited and complied guestimates for SD credits on PL, KL, and RS. I'm not sure of many of these still. Paich undoubtably is either undercredited or overcredited. Paul Griffin may have played piano on one of the Royal Scam tracks. After listening to some Toto, Dan and Boz Scaggs tracks with Jeff Porcaro, I think Jeff sounds like he's on Night By Night. Any Major Dude sounds like Gordon as does With a Gun. Barrytown could be either Porcaro or Gordon, I don't know. Anyway, this is the best I can do without addictional information those in Danland can provide...

PRETZEL LOGIC

Rikki DonÆt Lose That Number:

Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Walter Becker
Acoustic Guitar: Dean Parks
Electric Guitar & Solo: Skunk Baxter
Piano: Michael Omartian
Flapamba: Victor Feldman
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit

Night By Night:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Skunk Baxter (solo)
Walter Becker
Clavinet: David Paich
Percussion: Victor Feldman
Sax: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Trumpet: Ollie Mitchell
Trombone: Lew McCreary
Clarinet: Jerome Richardson
Backing Vocals: Tim Schmit, (Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews û uncredited)

Any Major Dude:

Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Acoustic Guitars: Dean Parks, Ben Benay
Electric guitars: Denny Dias (left channel); Skunk Baxter
Fender Rhodes: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine):
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen

Barrytown:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Acoustic guitar: Ben Benay
Electric Guitars: Denny Dias, Dean Parks
Pedal Steel guitar: Skunk Baxter (last verse)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit

East St. Louis Toodle-oo

Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Walter Becker
Wah-wah Guitar: Walter Becker
Banjo: Dean Parks
Piano: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Alto Sax: Donald Fagen

ParkerÆs Band:

Drums: Jim Gordon (right channel) & Jeff Porcaro (left channel)
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Denny Dias (left channel), Dean Parks, Walter Becker
Piano: Michael Omartian
Organ: Donald Fagen
Dueling Saxes: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit, (female - Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews??)

Through With Buzz:

Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: David Paich?
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen

Orchestration by Jimmie Haskell

Pretzel Logic:

Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Wilton Felder? (great cat walk during the instrumental break that recapitulates the Rhodes theme)
Guitar: Walter Becker (solo)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen (left channel), Michael Omartian (right channel)
Sax: Plas Johnson
Trumpet: Ollie Mitchell
Trombone: Lew McCreary
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit

With a Gun:

Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Walter Becker
Acoustic Guitars: Dean Parks, Ben Benay
Electric Guitars: Skunk Baxter (good Western flavor)
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit

Charlie Freak:

Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Walter Becker (left channel)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen (left channel)
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine, sleigh bells, triangle @ 1:52 mark)
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen

Monkey in Your Soul: (a very underrated song)

Drums: Jim Gordon
Fuzz Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Dean Parks (right channel); Walter Backer (solo û left channel)
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Saxes: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Percussion: Victor Feldman - handclaps
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen (great echo)

All lead Vocals: Donald Fagen

Orchestration by Jimmie Haskell

KATY LIED

Black Friday:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Walter Becker
Fender Rhodes: Michael Omartian
Piano: Michael Omartian
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald

Bad Sneakers:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Hugh McCracken
Walter Becker (solo)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald

Rose Darling:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Larry Carlton (acoustic & electric û left channel), Dean Parks (electric & solo û right channel)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald

Daddy DonÆt Live in That New York City No More:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitars: Elliot Randall, Walter Becker, Larry Carlton?
Piano: Michael Omartian
Organ: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen

Doctor Wu:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Michael Omartian
Fender Rhodes: David Paich
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Saxophone: Phil Woods
Percussion: Victor Feldman (chimes)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen

EveryoneÆs Gone to the Movies:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Dorophone: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Walter Backer
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen
Organ: Donald Fagen
Saxophone: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (maracas, congas)
Vibes: Victor Feldman
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen, Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews

Your Gold Teeth II:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Denny Dias
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen

Chain Lightning:

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Rick Derringer (both? 9 and 11 oÆclock)
Fender Rhodes: David Paich
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen

Any World (That IÆm Welcome To):

Drums: Hal Blaine
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Larry Carlton, Elliott Randall
Piano: David Paich (something reminds me of ô99ö)?
Organ: Donald Fagen
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman (tambourine)
Backup Vocals: Michael McDonald

Throw Back the Little Ones

Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Walter Backer. Elliott Randall
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Horns: Jimmie Haskell, Bill Perkins

All lead Vocals: Donald Fagen

Horns arranged by Jimmie Haskell

THE ROYAL SCAM

Kid Charlemagne:

Drums: Bernard ôPrettyö Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Clavinet: Paul Griffin
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald, Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Sherlie Matthews

Caves of Altamira:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Walter Becker
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Trumpet: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Plas Johnson, Jim Horn
Solo Sax: John Klemmer
Backing Vocalsö Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit

DonÆt Take Me Alive:

Drums: Rick Marotta
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Larry Carlton (solo)
Dean Parks (rhythm)
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit

Sign in Stranger:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Elliot Randall, Walter Becker, Denny Dias (outtro)
Piano: Don Grolnick
Trumpet: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Plas Johnson
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit

The Fez:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Victor Feldman
Organ: Paul Griffin
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Trumpet: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Percussion: Victor Feldman (maracas)
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit, Michael McDonald

Green Earrings:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Elliott Randall - left channel
Larry Carlton - right channel
Guitar solo: Dean Parks - 1st Section
Denny Dias - 2nd section
Elliott Randall - 3rd section
Clavinet: Paul Griffin
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Percussion: Victor Feldman 9tambourine, triangle, maracas)
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit

Haitian Divorce:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Dean Parks (solo talk box)
Walter Becker (talk box voicings)
Larry Carlton (rhythm)
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Sax: Jim Horn, Plas Johnson
Backup Vocals: Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Sherlie Matthews

Everything You Did:

Drums: Rick Marotta
Bass: Walter Backer
Guitars: Larry Carlton (solo), Walter Becker (left channel)
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Organ: Paul Griffin
Backup Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit, Michael McDonald

Royal Scam:

Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Donald Fagen
Organ: Paul Griffin
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Percussion: Victor Feldman (blocks, tambourine)
Dueling muted trumpets: Check Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Jim Horn, Plas Johnson
Backup Vocals: Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Sherlie Matthews

In honor of Clas, when the Dan albums are remastered yet again for DVD-A, I am proposing a slight change in the artist name...remember those sports tell-all books from the 70s and 80s??

Can't Buy a Thrill: Steely Dan As Told To Victor Feldman

Countdown to Ecstacy: Steely Dan As Told To Victor Feldman

Pretzel Logic: Steely Dan As Told To Jimmie Haskell and Victor Feldman

Katy Lied: Steely Dan As Told To Michael Omartian, Dean Parks, and Victor Feldman

Royal Scam: Steely Dan As Told To Larry Carlton, Chuck Findley, Paul Griffin, and Victor Feldman

Aja: Steely Dan As Told To Larry Carlton and Tom Scott

Gaucho: Steely Dan As Told To Larry Carlton, Rob Mounsey, Paul Griffin, Don Grolnick, Tom Scott, and Wendell

Two Against Nature: Steely Dan As Told To Michael Leonhart

In The Can: Steely Dan As Told To????

User: tones | Month: 11 | Day: 8

Message: Monsieur b - I'm practising mon francais... merci! Btw, we'll have to pitch in and get you some new shorts before the new one comes out... most music stores have a one pair minimum...

"In the Can"... great title...

User: blazed enough - spellCzech | Month: 11 | Day: 8

Message: now

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 8

Message: As a PSA, here's the NEW Dan Newsletter for those who missed it or didn't sign up - sign up know. Ole, you should get some real action now. I again encourage everyone to sign up for the newsletter immediatement, si'l vous plais...

¯: doin' the "V" jig

**********************
IN THIS ISSUE
**********************

- The Next One
- "Piano Jazz" Air Date Set
- Delivery Problems?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
THE NEXT ONE
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

We wanted you to be the first to know:
The next Steely Dan album is all but in
the can. Total recording time came in at a
little over a year.

We've started a page for the little beauty at
http://steelydan.com/newcd.html
That'll be the place to go for further details
as they become available.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"PIANO JAZZ" AIR DATES SET
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Last Newsletter, we told you that Donald and Walter
had taped a show during the summer for "Marian
McPartland's Piano Jazz". The show is carried by
many National Public Radio stations.

We've learned that the show will feed for
broadcast starting February 11, 2003, which means
that it should air on most NPR stations that carry the
show within two weeks after Feb 11, 2003.

To find a station and air date for your area, go to the
Anyoo Jazz site at
http://www.pianojazz.org
and click the "Where To Listen" link for a list of stations
and show times. If you are unable to find a station in
your broadcast area, or if you prefer to listen online,
look for a station that streams its shows on the internet.
Some "sure-fire" scheduled stream sites are:
http://www.WBGO.org
http://www.wbez.org
and
http://www.wduq.org

(NOTE: most stations will NOT offer streams
on-demand, so make sure to check the stream
schedules on the station's website)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
DELIVERY PROBLEMS?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

DID YOU KNOW -- someone can be subscribed
to our Newsletter, but not actually get it?

Many Newsletters never reach subscribers for reasons
that are easily fixed. If you want to ensure you actually
GET your Newsletters, read this section of our Newsletter
FAQ!
http://steelydan.com/newsletterfaq.html#junk

Until Next Time...

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 8

Message: Bill - sorry, aint got the time checking up your link. Maybe next year.

User: Oh... | Month: 11 | Day: 8

Message: Mu. Yes! You caught that, right?
ole, maybe? Can I enter and win wearing the traditional sumo garb?
This is great stuff, right, ange, anyone?
Everyone, have a wonderful weekend, yes, even you guys.
And watch out for that newsletter.

b

User: Confirmed | Month: 11 | Day: 8

Message: "The Next One - The new Steely Dan album is all but in the can."

http://donaldfagen.com/newspage.html
http://walterbecker.com/newspage.html
http://steelydan.com/newspage.html
http://www.steelydan.com/newspage.html

http://walterbecker.com/newcd.html
http://donaldfagen.com/newcd.html

User: blazed enough alright | Month: 11 | Day: 8

Message: Re: ODP.

"In the can" sounds strangely familiar. Dunno why...
I get this illusion of communication here, that's neat.
And look how they used "Next One", OUR consecrated wording, as the name for the whole dot jpg file. I don't know what to make of that.
It gives out them warm fuzzies, eh?

And I, not crazy, alright?
Here's to all the doubters out there. I would order you all to eat my shorts, if I was wearing any right now, word up.

Repeat after moi:
Le Nouveau Dan, il est "in the can".

Balise

User: King Of The World | Month: 11 | Day: 8

Message: The John Lennon death-day. Hard to know what is an appropriate thing to say, or action to take, in response to this. The Plastic Ono Band album ('70) is one of the most important albums in the world to me. My own peculiar, particular form of grief denial is to have periodic time-travel fantasies, where I ambush that scum when he's getting Lennon's autograph outside the Dakota earlier in the same day.

User: Ed Beatty | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: Jim (not Hoops)
Contact me if your still interested in the topic as we discussed in August
I think we have reason to discuss (SEE ODP)

Ed B

User: Bill | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: Clas (Post #3693),

I believe I have something more like this in mind for your Iraqi
friends...

WWW.Voodoo.cz/falcon/new4/F16710.jpg

Say..., can you replicate this picture in watercolor?

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: "release is scheduled for sometime in '03"

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: ODP Alert!!!! ODP Alert!!!

User: Hank Silvers | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: The January 2003 issue of Modern Drummer magazine has a feature on Abe Laboriel Jr. -- you've heard Abe Sr. playing bass on New Frontier -- and a small sidebar on Abe's current boss, Paul McCartney.

During the interview, the topic of Bernard Purdie comes up, and Sir Paul gives the final word on the Hitmaker and the Fab Four. In short, it didn't happen. And, Paul reminds us, "I was there."

No online link to the interview, but it's on newsstands now...

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: StAl: your text in the e-mail was blank....................errrr oh, I get it, disappearing ink! I'll hold it in front of a flat screen monitor...

Jimi thought they meant that day...

User: sumo if I play too long...............oleander | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: sumo--pretty interesting.... Does that mean you're grabbing 2/19/03 for the pool?

User: Midnite Cruiser doing the week that was in music | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: Bands Break Up... Brian Breaks Down... Zappa Gets Wailed On

This is the week that was in matters musical...

1957, Mercury Records releases the Diamonds' cover of "The Stroll," originally recorded by Chuck Willis...the song reaches #8 and sparks the dance craze that sweeps the nation...

1964, Beach Boy leader Brian Wilson suffers a nervous breakdown while on a flight from L.A. to Houston, which leads to his retirement from the group...

1967, Jim Morrison is pulled off the stage by police in New Haven, Connecticut, and arrested for breach of the peace... the incident begins backstage when Morrison mouths off to a cop who maces him in return...onstage, when Morrison launches into a tirade about the incident, the police turn on the house lights and haul Morrison away...

1967, Otis Redding bites the big one when his tour plane crashes into a Wisconsin lake...his only #1 hit record "Dock of the Bay" is released several days later...

1968, Graham Nash quits the Hollies...three days later he announces the formation of Crosby, Stills and Nash...

1969, Jimi Hendrix testifies at his drug trial in Toronto...he admits to having smoked pot four times, hashish five times, taken LSD five times, and sniffed cocaine twice, but following this enumeration of his crimes, he asserts that he has now outgrown drugs...the jury takes eight hours to find Jimi not guilty...also this week in 1969, The Rolling Stones headline a concert at Altamont Speedway in Livermore, California... four people die at the event, including one who is stabbed by Hell's Angels hired to provide stage security...footage of the murder will be included in the documentary film "Gimme Shelter" which is released a year later...the event is often cited as officially marking the end of the hippie love and peace era...

1970, "Supersession," the jam album featuring Mike Bloomfield, Al Kooper, and Steven Stills is certified gold...

1971, Frank Zappa suffers a fractured leg, ankle, and skull when he's pushed from a London stage by the jealous boyfriend of a Zappa fan...he spends months in a wheelchair recovering...

1979, "Highway to Hell" by AC/DC turns gold ...it is the group's breakthrough album and the last to feature singer Bon Scott who dies two months later...

1980, John Lennon is assassinated in New York...

1988, Roy Orbison gives his final concert in Akron, Ohio...he will pass on two days later...

1991, legendary DJ Alan Freed, the man who coined the term "Rock & Roll," is posthumously awarded a star on Hollywood's Walk of Fame...

1992, Bill Wyman leaves The Rolling Stones after over 30 years with the group saying that he has seen it all, done it all...

1995, members of the Grateful Dead officially disband the group following Jerry Garcia's death in August...

and that was the week that was.

Birthdays

December 4: Freddy Cannon aka Anthony Picariello (1940), Chris Hillman of The Byrds (1942), Bob Mosely of Moby Grape (1942), Beach Boy Dennis Wilson (1944), Southside Johnny (1948), Gary Rossington of Lynyrd Skynyrd (1951)

December 5: Little Richard (1935), J.J. Cale (1938), Jim Messina (1947)

December 6: Dave Brubeck (1920), Mike Smith of The Dave Clark Five (1943), Kim Simmonds of Savoy Brown (1947), Peter Buck of R.E.M. (1956), Randy Rhoads (1956)

December 7: Harry Chapin (1942), Tom Waits (1949)

December 8: Sammy Davis Jr. (1925), Jimmy Smith (1925), Jerry Butler (1939), Jim Morrison (1943), Gregg Allman (1947), Phil Collen of Def Leppard (1957), Marty Friedman of Megadeth (1962), Sinead O'Connor (1966)

December 9: Junior Wells (1934), Rick Danko of The Band (1943), Neil Innes of the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band (1944), Joan Armatrading (1950), Donny Osmond (1957)

December 10: Big Mama Thornton (1926), David Gates of Bread (1940), Booker T. Jones (1944), Brenda Lee (1944), Martin Stone of Savoy Brown (1946), Jermaine Jackson (1954), Nikki Sixx of Motley Crue (1958)

Departures

December 4: Frank Zappa (1993), Deep Purple's Tommy Bolin (1976)

December 5: Douglas Hopkins of the Gin Blossoms (1993), Rahsaan Roland Kirk (1977)

December 6: Roy Orbison (1988), Leadbelly (1949)

December 7: composer John Addison (1998)

December 8: jazz trumpeter Buck Clayton (1991), Marty Robbins (1982), John Lennon (1980), Gary Thain of Uriah Heep (1975)

December 10: Rick Danko of The Band (1999), Faron Young (1996), rapper Darren Robinson of The Fat Boys (1995), Bill Harris of the Clovers (1988), Otis Redding (1967)

User: The Viking | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: Dya know any mechanics at all babes? (wink wink) I happen to know one, the guys pretty good, he works for next to nothing too. Ya might have ta put him up for a coupla weeks till he gets it sorted out for ya though.

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: Keneally last night was incredible! St. Al New Year's Eve is gonna rock. Among other things, Mike performed Funk # 49 into Zep's Heartbreaker!

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: St.Al....very cool....I just signed up and downloaded the software....my wife was already doing this for another group so it's cool that I get to contribute too and do it in the name of good music and good folks.

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: Clas, let me get back to ya darlin....lol ;) I currently have 13 children running about like little wild beasts.
My Viking, This time difference is a killer... Transmission went out on my Van again. I'm feeling like the poster girl for the Auto Club these days. Lol lol lol.... I'm taking the kids to Dickens on Main Street. Wish me luck. I'll try to catch you later this Evening. Be good or at least be careful. *kisses~~~~~~~~* I'm needin some serious snoggin from you.
Cyn, Bluz never pays attention, and he's very demanding too........hehehe,Seriously though, I've always thought you could tell a great deal about a person by the way they treat a waiter or waitress. Then there is my theory that men f*** the way they eat... but that's another topic.. :)

Umm everyone, WHO IS MIKE? El Supremo? ...just wondering....lol lol

User: Floridavid | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: Speaking of Elves...saw the new Harry Potter film. Was that little Gnome named Darby or Dobby modeled after Keith Richards.It was like Keith's face with pointy ears. Inquiring minds...

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: looks

User: ¦ - smacked into a trance | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: Sumo: My Japanese is a little rusty since "You Only Live Twice" is only worth watching twice...but it appears that they are only restocking TvN

Cropdusting: That's a nice constellation...but that rusty gas station lok like an abandoned artifice from The Rockford Files collection out by Barstow...and sweet Steely Dan is the little one..."a watched pot" is cookin' and like my grandma's pot roast, you never know when it's gonna blow...April Fool's day IS the most appropriate guess so far...

Howard: Good show chap, that IS amidst: within, surrounded, among RATHER that against: next to, alongside...very clever...don't think it's the same spot in reality...just Photoshop or Premiere or the like in virtuality...

C: a peacenik group from Canada is sailing over to Iraq to act as human shields...if you hurry...

Hey, Hans Not Your Blix-krieg could use some help anyway...the Inspector Clouseaus got lost the other day in their UN ice cream trucks and had to ask some Iraqi spies where they were!!...like a scene out of A Shot in the Dark - the one with Elke Sommer (sp?)...just thinking about the fountain montage now, LOL...maybe they had a street map of Cincinnati instead of Iraq!?

User: StAl | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: Distributed computing. Do you know about it? For those that don't -- a brief explanation. Distributed computing is a method of combining the unutilized power of PC's across the Internet in an effort to solve complex problems. The most popular example of this is the work done by SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence). However, a much more practical use is to harness this power to solve the huge mathematical calculations done by the folks trying to find cures for Cancer, Diabetes, Genome mapping, etc.

To this end I've formed Team Steely Dan in an effort to help with cancer research. These teams have a webpage which shows their statistics in relation to other teams across the Internet, and can be a lot of fun for almost NO effort. After all, the average PC sits idle for 99% of the time it is on, and this includes when you're sitting in front of it. CPU's are totally underutilized and this is where distributed computing comes in.

So, why not do something more useful than posting to this guestbook and put you PC to work for a GREAT cause. Go here for more information. Join the team today! And don't worry. This isn't a way for the government to spy on you. Check out United Device's privacy statement if you're concerned.

http://www.banyantrees.net/cancer

StAl

User: sumo innuendo | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: This found lying around on a japanese forum:
http://www.towerrecords.co.jp/sitemap/CSfCardMain.jsp?GOODS_NO=641285&GOODS_SORT_CD=101

19/02/2003?
Doesn't say Giant Records... "Now printing" cover... hmm you don't say... what?

User: Mrs. Beasley | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: Poem is words.

User: The Viking | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: I aint wasted babes - but then again it is now 1pm the next day

User: RudeWaitress | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: 
Another thing Mike is missing...:

A personality

Damn bluz...I have you remind your ass again...No soup...no Crackers!

btw..You can tell Billy Barty..I got his digits for him....right here.

Somebody blow out the candles on clas's St. Lucia crown..his hairs on fire...again.HA!

User: Cropdusting Ali | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: re: ODP. 2 gas pumps with a "Pump it UP" caption. There was gaz in the car, the juices were flowing... never mind oil as a central actor of our time.
No time to lie idle on the Maui beach, no. Witness the ever-emptied chairs on our lawn. What with the possible oil spills on the shore.

But this, this of course is celebrated British thoroughbred racer Steely Dan, now retired in Holland, caught in this same, very familiar, "natural" color palette. And what have we here, it looks like it just had a baby? The newly generated little being's out and about but it remains lovingly protected by Steely Dan, you see? There are rabid fans out there.
The product of Steely Dan embracing life, both through (amidst) and against nature, it's not ready to face the world on its own just yet, it looks like.
But April 1st is a Tuesday.
The offspring, Steely Dan's latest of a long line of contenders, should be let loose on that day.

User: Oh yes... | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: ...I forgot to tell you, I painted Private Bill when he conquers Iraq, "With a Gun", it's an akvarell (that's Swedish for watercolours).

http://www.ateljelundkvist.se/galleri/1prezelthrill/1prezelthrill.htm

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 7

Message: No, shit...

...when looking closer at the text, it says "Two AMIDST the Nature".

Hmmm... anyone? Dr ¦, Howard?

Molly! What do you think?

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: RudeWaitress: just $600,000 to sample Black Cow, and you're as good as mithril...

User: Mike | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: t- sense of humor? You're one lame mother fucker!

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 6

Message: Did yo¦ all get that? On the Steely Dan home page there are a picture of a horse and a little tiny baby-horse. Those are 2 against nat¦re, standing on Netherlands-gro¦nd, ¦nder the Sea Level.

User: oleander | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: St.Al--If you do NOT plant a big wet one on the near cheek of the minah one for me, I'll sic Elliott on you.

Danooooooooooooo--E me and let's talk about the southeast beaches! Myrtle Beach is, ah, not for everyone.

Yo Lady B, and HB Lisa G.

"On The Dunes"--my fave on Kama. I'm a sucker for those sweet, romantic ditties.

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Here are two good reasons to get to Hollywood this weekend. Mike Keneally 12/6 (tomorrow night) at the Baked Potato -- Which One's Pink? and Numira 12/7 at Club 1650 (not to mention a 3rd good reason -- get out of the east)

User: ¦ - everything's heavy undergound | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: angel: Ouch...You're harsh and judgmental..........I like it

Listen just after the line "...it was a kind of homicide" at the 1:19 mark on Dunes...

There's the sound of a crystal glass breaking, as if it had fallen from the hand of a lover in disbelief who has been told "adios" by their mate.

StevE - a little joke. "Underground" is a great song by Ben Folds Five on their debut album...at the end, the song just inexplicably breaks into a 3/4 jazzy Brubeckian romp. Next song on that album is "Uncle Walter"

User:  | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: TBTLO = Throw Back the Little Ones

User: Stevee(catching up)Dan | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: I finally made it to the top of the guestbook ... oh oh !!! Almost fell off !

Clas - Yeah, but, this paddle ... it really kicks ass.

St. Al û How do they return the LSD after they have taken it?

Q û How are you? I know a drummer in LA who says hello ... Code Word: "Albuquerque" ... Bill was simply quoting a famous Dragnet soliloquy by Jack Webb (which I see he listed the link for). There is no doubt in my mind that our man Bill has a firm grasp on the issues you mention. Happy Holidays .. and the drummer and I pray for mail.

Doctor Mu û your favorite outros ... I couldnÆt figure out what TBTLO or what Underground (BFF) was ...

W1P and JayDubs û funny ... and profoundly disturbing at the same time ... both stories.

Seasons greetings to Lady Bayside ... and a very happy birthday to Lisa G. Tinkle the ivories one time for me. No, Make it 2 times.

I was listening to the recorded message at The Baked Potato and I heard that Mike Keneally is going to be playing there soon. And speaking of up-coming gigs ...

Which One's Pink? Plays in Hollywood, California in 2 days ... who's going?

(How many of you thought it was time for one of my SHAMELESS PLUGGING (tm) blurbs? Wait for it ... wait for it ... it ... it ... it ...)

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Hank...glad to hear everyone, including you, made out alright....sounds like there was plenty of excitement for awhile....might make a great "funniest home video's" moment....we took a "snow day" and watched movies most of the day.

Lisa G....Happy Birthday! Miss hearing from you + Daddy G on these pages.

back to popcorn, movies and a warm chocolate cake from the oven. : )

User: angel | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Mu: You're going to have to be better then that. Dropped glass where?
Could it be 29 seconds in?

User: db | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: WHATEVER !!!!!!

User: Duncan | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Lyam Lynch top ten this week in the UK.....told you so !!!!!
Happy birthday Lisa g

listening to Older (GM) again this week i'de forgotten how nice it is !!!

Dano: behave @ the weekends game, Got tickets for m'boro/chelsea for linda's christmas pres.

do i look after her or what !!!!

Dan sick at moment :(

MC: snow pic's please

User: Wally | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Hey, LP, tell Mrs. Cleaver that while Ward is out of town hunting bad guys that I'll come over and clean her pipes like I promised, anytime.

The Wallster

User: lp | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: hi lady bayside!

happy birthday to lisa g!

aus - june said to tell ward that everyone misses him at the club - the smoking room is just not the same without you and your cubans...

User: It begins with a trickle... | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Nightfly DVD-Audio - 12/17/02...

User: Aussie Imposter | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: "While standing in line (briefly) for the Kinge Crimson Konsert yesterday eve, I happened to gaze upon a woman of such amplitudinous hair such the likes I have nevere seen befour.
Whilst she was smoking on her fag, I dared entre into a conversation with this shapely, buxome, beauty. We became highely engaged in a ravenous conversationne about Mr. Krimson, Frippertronics, and the best secsual acks to be performed with each particualar Krimson disque.
Later that evening, as we further endeavoured on mutual bodily inspections, she belted out, "You, yes you are the King!".

More colour will follow.

AI

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: angel: The first time I heard the On the Dunes outtro I thought: Aja on Sominex, then I realized that is was the OCEAN! duh...nice dropped glass sound effect early on also (2nd verse? daughter has Kama in here room - big fan of Tomorrow's Girls)...really got into it after that. The whole song has an appealing open soundscape - more like The Nightfly than the rest of Kamakiriad. The early songs (Trans-island Skyway, Countermoon, Springtime have a straightjacted for an R&B rhythm section. This opens up with Snowbound (East Coasters - here's your soundtrack today), the bridge to Tomorrow's Girls, Florida Room, & On the Dunes - like coming out of a series of restless dreams. Then Teahouse sums up the attitude towards a new day, make or break time...whether to abort yet another album attempt and writer's block or to move past the brain dead dawn and back into the sun...dawn of the dead, 11 ToW, (A)live, 2 Against Nature, the next one...

The 2 horses - two against, as in ALONGSIDE or next to, nature...natural backdrop for a portrait-like pic shot...

Aus: will do soon... mum's the word, hush hush

User: angel | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Lady Bayside gets me out of lurking mode. Hey Lady B!

Lisa G: Happy Birthday to you girlfriend. I never knew when it was.

St. Al: Too funny. We needed an Aussie translater on this GB. Anyone else notice that he is getting worse as the months pass. :-)

The comment by Gypsy Queen, about On the Dunes, is over on the Blue and it got me thinking. I happen to love the end of the song, too. I can really get into it, especially the fact that it goes on and on. Gives you definite time to space out and enjoy. A Steely "Ravel's Bolero".

User: Aussie | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: St. Al: Talk about public service! Cheers brother.

Aus

User: Lady Bayside | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Hiya. (Yeah, long time, you know the drill....)

I just remembered that 'tis our very own Lisa G's birthday today...has she been spotted today on these pages? I suspect that she is not working today since it seems that every single school within a 400 mile radius of Aus' locale has been closed due to the preponderance of precipitation.

In any event, Happy, Happy, Birthday, Ms. Gee. (A little birdie *reminded* me, and I thought I would remind the neighbors here.)

Everything else remains the same ol', same ol'.

Out my window here at the office, I have witnessed four accidents due to subpar driving.

Stay inside, cozy up with Kama (it'll keep you warm) and a glass of brandy.

Oh, I wish!

LB

User: StAl | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Aussie English to English translation...

numbres = numbers
notise = notice
characterise = characterize
disque = disc
amplitudinous = really fucking big

StAl

User: Aussie | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Snow's giving this depressed city a temporary white-washed uplift. So tough getting a taxi these days with Ramadan holiday for our muslim brethren (easy Bill....easy) still in full swing. Probably 60 percent or more of the entire taxi fleet here is Muslim. There's not a single doubt in anybody's mind that there's a full blown recession here in New York City. And whether people wnat to admit it or not, there are still amplitudinous (a new word?) reverberations felt across the boroughs. Christmas in New York, however, has that elixir effect of making even the most jaded New Yorker feel a little wonder with all the pomp and circumstance (to wit: lighting of the Christmas Tree in Rockefeller Plaza, the windows at the big retailers, the lights and wreaths everywhere, etc.)

I notised in the current Village Voice that Bernard "purty" Purdie is playing a gig here over the weekend....good chanse of catching produces spalsh of colour and granularity on the GB.

Doctour Myoo: Can't comment on AOL here but you can always call me or e-blast for heightened colour. You can get all that info from Pat Beemer no worries.

St. Al: Ok to give the good doctor my numbres.

Luckless Pedestrian: Dear June: I miss you. Send some hot pix soon. The boys in the bunker are getting restless. All my love, Ward.

Aus

User: Jaydubz | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Having worked with Leon H. on that animation project last year, I can tell you this: the man is a good argument as to why NOT to do blow...

User: StAl Redux | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Bill = [is] Meshuge

User: k of w........................................................................ | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: I can't sell you all on the idea of a disillusioned xmas, can i??!! Well I couldn't sell me on it either.

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: and bass

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Hank: Shame has an unbelievably cool, but short, intro...really open sounding - great guitar licks, Fender, drums

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Stevee, its sounds like I might have spent some time talking to your friend at the Hendrix "rolling over in grave" tribute. Leon Horrendous has to have the worst band in history. As you know, the guys in Arthur Lee's band are friends of mine and I wont get into the details about their viewpoint on the proceedings but it was similar to the reactions you posted. We were led to believe that this night was the responsibility of Leon's management who promply left the scene when Leon's set was over making it a free for all regarding who was going to play and how long/ You would not believe the number of guys walking around with guitars slung over their backs -- too funny. All in all, I wish I'd simply drove to San Diego for the Steely Damned but it was at least humorous. As far as playing there, I wouldn't rule it out but the booker doesn't care much for tribute bands.

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: I finally got it, those horses are 2 against nature. In Netherlands. Under the sea level.

User: Give it up... | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Bil- Again? Enough already.

User: Hank again | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Stop the presses -- the bird managed to find its way back outside.

OK, carry on...

User: Elliot Ness | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: I've got my eye on you Beemer.
We're this close to blowing the lid off your underworld activities.
You're a double agent for the Swedish government and we intend to
prove it. Does the name Clas ring a bell? I thought so...
In the end you and your fellow pinko friends will be doing hard time
in the Federal Pen or my name isn't Elliot Ness.

Till we meet again my friend...

User: Hank Silvers | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: There was a fairly good coating of snow by daylight this morning, and all the area schools are closed for the day. So I phoned the company's snow line, and heard the recorded message "We are aware of the current conditions, however our offices are open at their usual time. Please have a safe commute."

And 10 minutes ago, Pat phoned me and said that when she took the cats outside, a finch got in the house. (And us without a net) I recommended calling Animal Control for some ideas. A bird escapes the snow, but chooses a house where 4 Good Cats live -- talk about going from the frying pan to the fire.

Favorite Dan outro (as of today, anyway): What A Shame About Me - I had 2vN on during the slip-sliding commute this morning
Honorable mention: Like A Steely Dan Movie

Stay safe, folks...

User: lcpaul | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Hi all, just popping in after a long absence. Been some BIG changes in my life of late. Temperature in Cape Town today 39C. Christ, it's hot. Been really getting into Dave Matthews' "Busted Stuff". Even more special because he's a South African.

Molly - glad to see you're still around.

BB - any further with your plans matey?

Love to all.

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Hi Everyone! The snow has ended for now here in Hooterville. It is very beautiful to behold. I love the starkness of Winter. Still, Id hoped to get a few things acomplished while the kids were in school. Now I'm hopelessly behind....:)
Cyn, I liked your list of Christmas songs. I'm going to download them myself. I tend to be a traditonalist. I've been listening to Tuck Andress's "Hymns,Carols and Songs About Snow". I love to hear Tuck play. The quiet elegance and simplicity of his CD appeals to me. I also listen to George Winston's " December", "A Charlie Brown Christmas" by the Vince Guaraldi Trio and Tchaikovsky's "Nutcracker Suite" every Season, then throw in a bunch of others for variety, such as Judy Collin's Christmas CD ect...

Well off sledding now with the kids..
In peace and love M

User: It's the King of the World | Month: 11 | Day: 5

Message: Last thing on Hissing of Summer Lawns pklaying now...title of a live album? Okay "Shadows and Light" isn't it. Bursts of vocals of hers then other singerts (whgich may also be her) alternating.

Not correcting typos on this one.

Music stop. MNo no happy. How music start again? Oh yeah must go physically to player and change tape. This 21 century? Me no think so. In future dumb people no have to do stuff for selves. That why future so great. We all have robots to do stuff.

User: The President of the U.S. Department of Justice | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Here in Crawford, Tx., it's currently 36¦. As soon as it drops to 33 1/3¦ we're going to put on some vinyl.

St. Al: So when you make it a point to make love to your wife at least once a week, what is she doing in the meantime?

I'm aware this site harbors violent repeat offenders but I assure you, I'm only here to help one of you.

You Know Who You Are,

The President of the U.S. Department of Justice

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: MC: Looks like ice has arrived in Danville from NC...everyone stay home and take some pics - starting to rain from Asheville moving NE, may minimized icestorm in NC...

favorite Dan outtros:

On the Dunes
TBTLO
Underground (BFF)
King of the World
Gaucho (ending really)
Gaslighting Abbie (live)
Kid Charlemagne
FM (Walter guitar version)
Lucky Henry
Black Cow
Century's End (last spotting of synth harp?)

User: Jaydubz | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Funny, I always thought it was about a Swiss dairy farmer and his unrequited bovine love...

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: SteveeDan, Hi Sugarbear! I have always analyzed Steely's songs in pretty much the same way one would a great poem. Their use of symbolism and allegorical references has always appealed to me. While I love the clean, precision of Steely Dan's music, it is their lyrics that speak to my soul and intellect. WJAZ and I have a long running debate about the song "Black Cow". He says it's about a drink... but I beg to differ. Black Cow could indeed be a drink with rootbeer. But IMO it is also about a Prostitute. I don't argue that he was her "friend" but wanted more. I agree that the woman in the song certainly used him. But again, I'm going by those symbols, and analogies... "How all the pros play the game" Prostitution is often referred to as "being in the game" Furthermore, "Pros" is another reference to that line of work. "You change your name"... Most Strippers and Working girls use an alias " Looking so outrageous, and they tell you so..." Hookers are well known for their bad fashion decisions. Green Street is infameous for it's Jazz. New Orleans in general is known for it's vices. The book of numbers by her keys.. Is her trick book. The remedies are her clients preferences. Jaz tells me that the documentary "The Making Of Aja" refutes this... but I'm holding on to Frodo the wonder cat just the same. (we have a bet concerning Frodo) Someday if you like, we can discuss Dylan Thomas. I'll bore the socks off you. lol lol As for the Viking, We have a great time. He can always make me laugh. That's a trait of his that I adore. I'd list the others..but...that would really bore you.
Thanks for your kind words and support as always my friend. But if you keep this up, they may never allow you to wear that Fez with the sex toy on top of it. Give the little man a kiss for me, and tell Mrs Stevee hello.
My Viking, I miss you. It's snowing here. You'd have a great time snowboarding. I'm keeping that chair warm for you babe. *kisses~~~~~~~*
Re: Drugs I have taken/tried......well um nevermind.*wink*

User: Midnite Cruiser | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: ole, Roy Scam, Hutch, fezo, Hank Silvers & steviedan in Raleigh....y'all be VERY careful out there tonight and tomorrow!

my drive from work to the house every evening is about 25 minutes....tonight it took 85 minutes and was as slick as I've seen it in a few years....more ice and snow tonight and in the morning....sounds like a good excuse to call off from work for weather. : )

User: JoeFriday | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Allright listen up you half-baked ganja puffers...

The previous JoeFriday post was an actual excerpt from my Dragnet
TV series. Airdate was January 11, 1968.

Don't believe me? I didn't think you would with all those drug
soaked corpuscles coursing through your brains. Try this on
for size bucko... WWW.Badge714.com, click "Quotes", then click
"LSD is the bomb".

Take some time off from the stuff and you might see the miracle
of my words, but probably not as you are more than likely all
hopped up on goofballs again...

:)

User: Walking Up The Hill Backwards | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Aja..Aja..Aja
"goodbye porkpie hat'
stanley clarke "live at the greek"

bluz

User: Aja..............not working | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Hey, now there's a variation on the old favorite "what CD's are you listening to": what drugs have coursed through your system? NO WAY am I going first-lol!

Aja

User: The Viking | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Honest babes-I am actually straight tonight,I'm nearly done with this stoopid weed as well.

User: The Viking | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Drugs-now theres a thing-or things-bein part of the club culture type thing here in the Uk its hardly a rare thing these days. Its easy to go on about the 'evils' of drugs - dare I say it when youre pushin mid-40's and havin no intentions whatsoever of dropping a coupla E's at the weekend and goin dancin - but then again..............erm.............um....
What the fuck was I saying? Its on the tip of my tongue......shit I can't remember. Something about uh.....o bugger it. It doesn't do ya any harm to get smoked up every night. Does it? uhhhhh - who's goin down to the all-night garage for munchies............

User: StAl | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Yes, the LSD comment again.

Herein lies one of the problems with this forum. What *haven't* we talked about? I know we've practically beat the Steely Dan topic to death (at least until something new comes along). Shit, that happened by the end of '96. Now what? Drugs? Politics? Religion? The boil I have on my ass?

And people wonder why this forum strays so much. I should rename it to The Sign a Dead Horse Guestbook...

14 days to Peter Gabriel. WOO HOO!

Minor World is visiting me this weekend. Shall I say howdy for ya'all since he rarely vists anymore?

StAl

User: SteveeDan | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Molly - Your post # 3457 is simply amazing. Even "Lady" Pedestrian asks what happened? Praise where praise is due. Hutch ... did you see this one? Not bad, huh? Molly, I know that you do not worry one bit about what others here say about you and your Viking. Though it might be easier to ignore the barbs, you seem to have fun volleying those barbs back at 'em. I know who you are, and I know you are having fun. I hope all is well in your neck of the woods and I send my best to you and yours.

W1P - sorry that I have been so indisposed lately, but, last night, I was chatting with a friend of mine who was at the Hendrix 60th Birthday party at the B.B. King's at the Universal Studios LA Citywalk, and, he told me that some strange and curious shit was going down, such as, drummer Buddy Miles was there, weighing in at 500 Lbs +, tooling around in a wheelchair. I forgot who said to him ... "I'm not letting you up on stage until you pay me the $350.00 you owe me ..." over the microphone to the entire house. That's class for ya (no, not YOU Clas ...). And that Jimi's brother Leon (or should that be poor, poor, derranged Leon) was, well, not good ... Then of course everyone was waiting for Love to go on, and they were something like 2 hours late due to the strange and subversive activities going on at the club ... then of course there is the questionable management of the club ... maybe I better stop here because, I would like to play there ... maybe ...

And to Dr. Mu, Howard, Clas, and others chiming in on the charts, songwriting topic ... I view the process in the same way that Howard has stated it. Fagen and Becker have their song themes well thought out, allowing for unexpected "spice" from the hired gun studio musicians, and also allowing for the solo space to be filled by one of the hired guns. I am certain that D & F have accomplished music theory skills and arranging experience, but, copyists need to make a living too, and the fine production and engineering folks like Elliot Sheiner, Gary Katz, and Roger Nichols complete the process ... all subject to the approval/whim of the creators/architects (thanks Bill) ... the Steely Dan boys.

As you can see, I am now 4 pages behind ... what's that? ... another 200 posts to read? A life? What's that?

Los Angeles-proximate Dan fans ... mark on your calendars December 19th, (Thursday night, 9 PM), and come on out to see Pretzel Logic play at Johnny Foxx's. If you want to be included on our e-mail list, please contact us at www.pretzellogicband.com and send us a note. We'd be thrilled to see you (even if we can't buy one ...).

Dan(dyslexic)Stevee (and sometimes I don't have to move my lips when I read ...)

User: bd | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: i'm copying some doors tracks.
i'm 5 mins in
i'm feeling the urge to skin up !!!

Normal ?

User: Q | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: as one more scurvy brother, I'm trying to make sure I look at the GB at least once every 3 months and I have to say Mr. "JoeFriday", you are simply in the wrong internet forum, Sir.

Drugs, and the abuse of them are part and parcel of The Dan's history.

I've been known to pontificate a time or two myself, but, while your comments may hold plenty of "truth", you are just plain on the wrong ballfield with that attitude.

You may be an expert at seeing the dark side of drug abuse, but I would venture to say there are many on this board who are equally or more expert in the opposite perspective.

Again, your perspective is basically anathema in this forum it would seem.

Now, on to reading the rest of the GB...

User: Cyn.....can I borrow a snow shovel? | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Okies Dokies...I've been downloading (or pirating.. but I promise I'll delete it )Christmas music. Whilst doing this I thought.hmmmm...as the folks in the GB they're top 10 favorite Chrismas songs...old or newer versions. No worries if I don't get a big response..its Christmas and I'll make allowances for all the Grinches..cuz I'm too freakin' happy to do otherwise..HA!

10.I saw Three Ships.....Sting

9.Baby, Please come Home....U2

8.Winter Wonderland....Eurythmics

7.Coventry Carol....Kiri te Kanawa

6.Have Yourself a Merry little Christmas.....The Pretenders

5. Merry Christmas, Baby....Springsteen

4.Joy to the World...Whitney Houston

3. The Holly and the Ivy...Kiri te Kanawa

2.Children, Go where I send Thee...Natalie Merchant

and........

1. Christmas Song.....Dave Matthews

And if the "boys" were to produce a Chistmas song..What do you think they'd sing?

User: C | Month: 11 | Day: 4

Message: Steeve - a paddle? In that case, God must be a Boogie Man.

User: Duncan | Month: 11 | Day: 3

Message: Ole: you can put me down for 01-02-03

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 3

Message: Jimbo: I think tonight's episode was the 70s - which according to Wynton Psalm 8:6 was a time of void upon the music and spiritual world...and the Devil rejoiced, and it was good. The PBS here played the back half of one of the Kraftwerk albums...

Aussie: wherever you are - Is AOL Time Warner-Ted Turner-Whatever penny ante soon???

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=aol&d=t

ergo, Dan album by 1/14/03 or bust???????????????????????

User: W1P | Month: 11 | Day: 3

Message: This Saturday, December 7, 2002, WHICH ONE'S PINK? will return to Club 1650 for a lengthy and powerful live set of Pink Floyd. Club 1650 is an extremely cool room with great sound and is located at 1650 Schrader Blvd., Hollywood, CA (323-465-7449) Club 1650 is south of Hollywood Blvd., north of Sunset, east of Highland and west of Cahuenga. This is a great new venue for us that we would like to turn into a regular stop -- we need your support to make it a reality. Print this e-mail and present it at the door for a $2.00 discount off the regular $12.00 admission fee.

The doors will open at 8:00 p.m. and will feature a great original band NUMIRA fronted by our good friend and sometime Which One's Pink? guest guitarist/vocalist John Stack http://numira.net/ (who in fact will be sitting in with Which One's Pink? on this occasion). Closing the show will be our long time friends (and among the first in the LA area to support us) CUBENSIS -- an excellent and authentic tribute to the Grateful Dead http://www.cubensis.com

"It was a cruel song, but fair" Roger Waters, commenting on "You Gotta Be
Crazy," Los Angeles, California 4/26/75. http://www.whichonespink.com

User: 100101010010101 | Month: 11 | Day: 3

Message: We don't eat in no white restuarant
We're eatin' in the car
Baloney Again...
We don't sleep in no white hotel bed
We're sleepin' in the car
Baloney Again...

You don't strut around in these country towns
You best stay in the car
Go on ahead don't stare around
You best stay where you are
You're a long way from home boy
Don't push your luck too far
Baloney Again...

Twenty two years we've sung the word
Since 1931, Amen...
Now the young folk want to praise the lord
With guitar, bass and drum, Amen...
Well I'll never get tired of Jesus
But it's been a heavy load
Carryin' his precious love
Down a long dirt road
We're a long way from home
Let's just pay the man and go
Baloney Again...

The Lord is my shepard
He leadeth me in pastures green
He gives us this day
Our daily bread and gasoline
Go under the willow
Park her up beside the stream
Shoulders for Pillows
Lay down your head and dream

10010010010Knopfler1001001

User: Jimbo | Month: 11 | Day: 3

Message: SIGN OF THE COMING APOCALYPSE-

I turn to one of the PBS stations expecting to see Ken Burns' American Stories with an episode of Jazz, and what do I get?

Not just countless pledge breaks, but A FREAKIN' YANNI CONCERT!

YANNI! That long-haired cheezy mustached lame ass of a so-called piano player? ICK!

Instead of Jazz, I get Yanni! Life is not fair.

User: ¦ | Month: 11 | Day: 3

Message: Randy:

Neil Finn: Try Whistling This
Aaron Neville: Greatest hits (60s compilationi)
Justin Morrell: Music of Steely Dan
Ben Folds Five: Ben Folds Five
Miles Davis: Cookin'
Miles Davis: Kind of Blue
George Harrison: Brainwashed
Sad CafT: Sad CafT
Steely Dan: Pretzel Logic
Boz Scaggs: Hits!
GRP All Star Big Band: All Blues

Steely Dan in Baghdad?

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20021128/1016285.asp

...and I thought all this time Black Rose was just a song by Sad CafT from the misplaced ideals album...

Fez? ...haven't found it yet, but I'll tell you YGK, Wormy, Aussie, and Pat are my heroes...I like the pic of the women dancing and swaying at about a 35¦ angle, or was that Pat at a 35¦ angle???

User:  | Month: 11 | Day: 3

Message: *Chirp!* *Chirp!* *Chirp!*

User: Moll | Month: 11 | Day: 3

Message: Blaise, Can I have a photo of you with that fez? lol lol I want one with full gear! That means with the er.. well you know .........Hmn... Never without the fez?!!! Well you poor thing. That's just sad. lol lol
St.Al, I laughed all day from that one bud. People in the Juvinile Justice Center now are certain that I'm crazy. I like that just fine... lol lol
Jaz, thanks for mail and photo. Damn, you're a fine looking man! We may have to agree to disagree on the matter. Furthermore, no way you are getting Frodo the wonder cat.
BB, where are you Sugarman? You still got a hankering for that Bourbon?
SteveeDan, good to know you're still among the living ..
Peace and Love M

User: Steveedan | Month: 11 | Day: 3

Message: I'm up to November 18 now ... it's been a very busy time for a Steely Dan tribute bandleader ... I will never remember all of the things that I want to have a chance to respond to in the illustrious guestbook if I wait until I get up to the present posts ...

I love Eddie Izzard. His HBO special was a real hoot ... "I'm a doughnut", "Le sange est sur la branch", and his cross dressing is just hysterical. He really gets the crowd behind him (probably a better prospect, than having him stand behind you ...)

Dylan Lyrics ... no clue, funny voice, brilliant songwriter, no problem accepting his greatness.

Fingers Shotan and company ... we here in the Steely Dan Lovers' Society support your continued effort not to roll over and play dead (well, I like to play the (Grateful) Dead, but I digress ...), so, please let us know how the "stripped-down" gig went, and what else is going on ... and hello to Beers and BassInst. And Duncan, I place you in this good company too. How's the missus, and Danny boy? I hope well.

I heard about that Joni Mitchell comment too. I can't blame her, but something tells me that she will eventually recant this with a release sometime in the future. Someone as incredibly tallented as she probably explodes with artistic foment if she tries to keep it all in ... just wishful thinking on my part.

Jjeff - you better still have a house to come home too ... after all, you don't want to face a gang of pissed off squirrels do ya? You better borrow a vacuum cleaner just in case ...

In my humble (ya right, who am I kidding) opinion, the early Elton John/Bernie Taupin albums are all classics. Even though I think that "Songs From The West Coast" is a pretty good CD, and one of the best he has released in years, I would never compare it to "Madman" or any of the albums that go from his first up through "Capt. Fantastic". Certainly not past "Yellow Brick Road". I also interpret some of Bernie's lyrics to be sort of like a verbal "still life" study of whatever subject he might be focusing on.

Our trib band, Pretzel Logic, takes the stage at Johnny Foxx's in West Los Angeles on Thursday night, December 19, 2002 at 9 PM. We've got a few surprises in store for our faithful crowd ... but we'd like to expand it, so please come on down. Clas, I am a little short on plane fare for you, but I got a paddle I could Fed-Ex you ...

By the way, for those of you who are fans of the early era of Genesis, I have been working on the piano intro of Firth Of Fifth from Selling England By The Pound. Not for the faint hearted piano player let me tell you!

Back to reading ... I am only 7 pages behind !!!

Steveedan (Publicity Coordinator for the PL Band)

User: U.S. Department of Justice | Month: 11 | Day: 3

Message: NOTICE:

As part of an ongoing effort to help crack the code of secrecy
surrounding the inner circle of the jazz-rock group STEELY DAN,
the U.S. Department of Justice has placed the person heretofore
known as PAT BEEMER into the federal witness protection program.
He will hereafter be referred to by the codename "DON KNOTTS".

This action was taken after DOJ recieved a tip from an undercover
informant that Mr. Beemer had place certain unofficial Steely Dan
Outtakes up for trade on his website.

In light of what occured in the Andy Metger case, we feel confident
that this course of action will assist in the eventual capture of
Steely Dan kingpins Donald Fagen and Walter Becker.

Thank You.

User: Randy | Month: 11 | Day: 3

Message: 
Steely-folk:

Moving onward through the proverbial fog now, I'm tossing out the old standby (to the collective chagrin of many), "Latest Listening":

1. Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet
2. George Harrison - Brainwashed
3. Johnny Smith - The Sound of the Johnny Smith Guitar
4. John Coltrane - Crescent
5. Graham Parker - Passion Is No Ordinary Word: The Graham Parker Anthology
6. Donald Fagen - Kamakiriad
7. Thelonious Monk - Five by Monk by Five
8. Miles Davis - Bags Groove
9. Joe Pass/Milt Jackson/Ray Brown/Mickey Roker - Quadrant
10. Roy Harper - HQ

Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

User: Dano | Month: 11 | Day: 3

Message: StAl , Thanks mate for the heads up , makes sense now.
Regards
Dano.

User: G. | Month: 11 | Day: 3

Message: Nope, i disagree Aussie :-)
It's very very nice because what's shown in this movie isn't fiction, real life is swamped with characters and minds such as portrayed. And what was also nice about this movie, was most of it was shown from the wannabee or would be comedian's perspective-fantasy, (it was nice film-making and good shots as in ) who in the end after doing his jailtime became exactly what he said he would be, the media and people all over it, like maybe what folks from outside the USA learned to be typical for the country. Yes ofcourse it's sad and tragic, but also endearing at times and freaky to say the least. But i particularly liked the scene in which he had Jerry Lewis tied in an office, made him call the producer and the secretary hung up. Fact of life in that sequence, when de Niro commented about him being nothing so it would be obvious they'd hang up on him and they even hang up on Jerry being this big shot in that bizz. No, overall there were some nice messages in there. Eerie vibes, similar to stories written by Raymond Carver.
Naked truth about human nature. If even portrayed in a movie. Scorcese knows how to twist his angles ...

User: Aussie | Month: 11 | Day: 3

Message: The King of Comedy is probably one of the saddest commentaries on lonely psychotic nerd hangers-on ever captured on film. Is the film entertaining? Indeed. Probably Bobby DeNiro's most underrated work. But to characterise the film as being a very nice one is probably missing the gravity of its real message.

Aus

User: Gina | Month: 11 | Day: 3

Message: howdy Red Blazer, Blazer Rouge :-)