Reply to: "Bergeon, Thomas C SEPCO"
To: "'neworleans@dandom.com'"
Cc: "'David Sibille'"
Subject: jazzfest plans
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:26:03 -0500
Hi gang
I will be off thursday and back thursday night
dress at the fest is shorts/shirt - confortable it's mid eighties and will
be sunny to partly sunny
bring sunscreen, shades, a hat, expandable chair
no backpacks allowed in fest (post 9:11 jitters)
plans
friday - wil be at opening gate of jazzfest
friday is a toss up - no one stage has most acts
blues statge/sprint and acura dominate
will probably set up camp at the acura stage -
look for my flag - a blue fishing rod with red white and blue basketball net
hanging from top
friday night (if you are up to it Auss) we can get together
saturday - will set up at acura, but I am taking Jazz tent and Wayne Shorter
over Lenny Kravitz
at the end of the day
so whoever stays for lenny will have to take the tarp home
saturday night - Maria is booking 12 into NOLA (an Emril restaurant) in the
quarter
8:30 pm, nice place - semi casual slacks/polo is acceptable dress and will
work for the rest of evening
join us Zeke if you like
10 pm tipitinias Dr John / Marsha Ball (I'll hand out tickets at the fest)
I will try to have several people with cars get everyone from NOLA's to tips
sunday I'll set up stage at sprint stage and spend alot of time in the jazz
tent
sunday evening party at my house crawfish boil 8:00 pm after the fest
636 Meursault Kenner (I'll provide maps)
my musician friends will impromptu jam and Malcolm would love for you to
tickle the ivories!
email me with arrival and departure times, hotel's you are staying at and
cell phone numbers
thanks alot and enjoy
tom
| Molly | Day: 24
Drew,I have had the kid you were telling me about on my mind since we talked.They are trying to pull some sh*t.That baby is protected by A.D.A.
Tell the woman to get in touch with local chapter of Council for Mental Retardation,ask for Sharon.She can e-mail or phone me if she'd like.
But Sharon will be more familiar with resources in your area.
Can't make other....have art festival.El Paso for sure though. Call me tonight.Trevor has gone to see everyone else.M
| Miz Ducky | Day: 24
Hey, folks, lookit the kewl new toy I bought myself!
http://alesis.com/products/qs61/
Winging its way to me right now via UPS ... should be receiving it next week.
My relationship with the "Gaucho" album is interesting. When it first came out, I did not like it at all--other than Steely Dan, my whole musical slant at that time was punk/new wave, and so I had the predictable reaction to its smooth disco-inflected sound. Years and years and years later, I listened to "Gaucho" again, and was dumbstruck by how much I grooved on it. All of it. Every song. My especial faves are "Babylon Sisters," "Glamour Profession," and "Third World Man" (though I think I like the version of this latter song on "Alive in America" even better--slower and more poignant somehow). I also have a special place in my heart for "My Rival"--every time I listen to this song I get this visual of some kind of Warner Bros. cartoon (Bugs/Elmer, Coyote/Roadrunner--one of those classic slapstick adversarial situations). And of course the title track is a total crack-up, IMO some of the most brilliant lyrics D&W have written.
/the Mam'zelle
(movin' and groovin')
| Duncan | Day: 24
JJ: you'real lucky man.
Did Mr Moore still have his glass walking cane & are Fishbone still ''red Hot'' ?
Freddie still dead....?
E-me for all my fishbone stories.
db
| Ang | Day: 24
Just call me Deacon Blues
www.angelosena.com
| wormy | Day: 24
YGK, OLE, AUSS, AJA, ZEKE
here we go!
really bummed JIM# can't make it
NOLA was booked up(as was everything else, Maria nailed down a good one though last minute,
it's Bacco's on saturday night (Brennan's orleanian Italian)
Dr Mu and Lp
I didn't say Gaucho sucked,
I said it was subpar
of course even subpar is a high standard
I don't like the disco slant
I think the boys constricted things in the studio too much
the intense drum sampling, etc
like angel said, they sounded tired on that one
Dr Mu will test the dvd-a vs cd setup with my jazzfest guests at sunday night's party
Katy Lied is really growing on me as my fav dan album
wormy
| Molly pining here in Ky. | Day: 24
HELLO Everyone!!!!I hope you all are well this glorious day....ok ok ok You have convinced me that Black Cow is about a slut, and not a working girl.It's time to move on.. How's that for spacing Clas??lol
I liked Gaucho, not as much as some of their earlier stuff.Steely Dan never had a song that I didn't like.lol To me the guys just seemed weary on Gaucho.Loved Carlton on T.W.M. but hell I love hearing him on just about anything...I preferred the "bite" of Royal Scam.Katy lied is my favorite,but like L.P. that's because of sentimental reasons.L.P. it's funny how music ties into memories...
Stevee Dan HI!!!! that's all.
Nicky if you see this,it was nice chatting..we'll have to talk about my other great musical love, S.R.V.that could take days.I'm almost as obsessed with his stuff as folks here are about S.D.
Aja, kidding about other..no weird people here.lol Sometimes get on sleep deprivation drunk and get silly.Thank you for your kind words....
St.Al, you fine man you..I was raised by genteel southern women,I had politeness knocked into me from the womb. You could be many things..except rude.The thank you's are tied into that...
off to fight the good fight ,
be peaceful and loving my G.B. friends M.
| jjeff | Day: 24
Mu: Appreciate the cow economics. It was a real hit in the lab. Moo
| Steveedan | Day: 24
¦ - Babylon Sisters and Glamour Profession are my favorite songs on the Gaucho album. In my new band, Glamour Profession is one of the songs we have recently added to our list of songs. That piano solo is a lot of fun to play including that descending set of triplets. Who inspired your famous fools indeed !
Floridave - I am sorry to hear (again!) about the personal grief you are suffering through. We must all send a strong message to the powers that be that you have had much more than your fair share of sorrow and it is time to move on. Leave FD alone !!! Don't make us send Ju-Ju Bear your way !!!
Hey everybody !!! Time for a Public Service Announcement ... well ... actually ... it's time for ...
S H A M L E S S ... P L U G G I N G !!!
Everybody who can do so ... ya gotta come to Paladino's next week (May 4th) to see W1P's Which One's Pink?. They are playing with Mike Keneally and this is going to be a really great show. I plan on dragging a few people there myself. (Thanks to you and Mrs. W1P for loaning me the shirt for The Steely Damned gig. I left mine in the hotel room ...)
Steveedan
| angel | Day: 24
John Uhls: Your guess is as good as ours. We think 2002 is pretty much a wash, at this point. Hoping for '03. Great story about how you came to like the Dan. Nightfly is quite a complex album and for me, was the hardest to get into. Now I love it, but it took almost a year.
Wormy/Aja: I am going to have to side with LP on Gaucho. What a great album, Wendelized and everything. Third World Man makes me cry (almost) everytime I hear it and Glamour Profession is just too cool with those Taxi Cab horns at the top and that beat! Yes, Dick Clark, you can indeed dance to it. Is it my favorite...I am not sure at this time, but it is right up there.
Have lots of illegal fun in the sun at Jazzfest everyone. Jim #, Wormy, Aja, Ole, Aussie, YGK and maybe Zeke, too.
| | Day: 24
die for
| ╡ - man out of time | Day: 24
~: Wormy. I can understand, due to the Wendeliization, how folks might feel that way. But think:
Show Tunes; subject = LA decadence & chaos
Even close to a "concept" album than Royal Scam...
The piano solo and "Hollywood, I know you middle name" bridge are to die (especially Grolnick's descending set (3) of triplets) in Glamour Profession and are the *lynchpin* for the entire album, IMO....and frankly the engineering is out of this world (well deserved Grammy) - even better (for the time) than TvN if that's possible (except for the new DVD-A)...
Echo on Walter's great bass ideas and prowess on Hard-up Case (that DOES shake the walls!), West of Hollywood, and the Aja album working in synergy with Rainey...
I love the shit-eating grin on Rainey's face when he brags how he slipped in the thumb slapping thing on Peg..
Cut to Walter - something like: "Yeah, we knew Chuck was gettin' in that slapping thing..." LOL!! Classic stuff...
| Bill | Day: 24
Did I mention that No Doubt's "Hella Good" is also a good song.
Don't freak out now Gwen!
(You are begining to sound a bit like Madonna now though...)
:)
| Clas @ W | Day: 24
Icpaul - whoah! You're having a 50 MB file attached to an email coming your way. Look out!
Joe Murtha - that make sense, Pat's arguments for not touring with the Dan.
C
| YGK | Day: 24
Well, well, now.........it's just about 24 hours before touchdown in N'awlins........
kinkysonso: where would I hear those fine musicians? any local regular spots? but, really, get another handle.....
ole?!?!?: drop me an eblast - I'm dropping into Newark tonight/manana morning.......in NO.....
Aus: here we go pal
Aja: rendevous Thurs night.....
FlaDave: mucho sorry about your loss.....hope you are well.....
N'awlins bound! later!
ygk
| jjeff | Day: 24
Stevedan: congrats on your new band, Pretzel Logic. Your doing what you love and thats important.
Duncan: Kill Jerry Springer??? He's the only one on the show in on the joke. It's just entertainment.
Wormy: Heard a few cuts from Michelle Shocked's new CD. Sounds good enough for me to buy.
Midnite C: Great bridge shot!!!
lcpaul: Didn't know that about Soweto( Soweto Western Townships).
| John Uhls | Day: 24
When I was 13 years old my father would make me go to the library to study. I had other ideas of what that meant so I would always go to the stacks of records and pull out something to listen to instead. My greatest find was an album called Nightfly by Donald Fagen. I would listen to this album on a daily basis, I then bought it and until I was about 20 thought this was the only thing he had done. Now I listen to the Dan or Fagen almost everyday.As a mater of fact I work with a bunch of gen nexters and they are forced to listen everyday, the c.d player will go from Wu Tang to steely dan. Now what I really need to do is go see them.
What are the chances of this happening ? Will they tour ?
John Uhls
| Steveedan | Day: 24
Hi Miz Ducky -
thanks for the honorable mention.
SteveebullientDan
| Gina | Day: 24
So Worm and also Lisa G and Howard will make the Tm2002 complete, right? :-)
Will check Miz Ducky's WingDiegoDings right after this ...
Paul, me hails from the south of the Netherlands, a town called Maastricht. I can take my dog for a walk and suddenly find myself in the realms of either Belgium and Germany. Hm. Germany would oblige a lunchbox and some water, though :-)
There's lots of "your" wine out here, very well promoted.
And i went to school with some kids named De Boer, straight descendants from families who went to South Africa to taste something else besides potatoes and cauliflower. They moved back to the Netherlands late in the sixties. They spoke with a deep rolling "r", has always fascinated me.
Off now, ~~~toodly,
G.
| lcpaul | Day: 24
Hutch - I was just chancing my arm. I'm sure you're right, so the grand prize of absolutely f.all is...YOURS! Congratulations!
Bill, my e-mail address is in da e-mail box. Can't wait to see that monster. Don't think they've launched 'em here yet. Anyway, with our exchange rate, anything imported is out of the reach of average Joes like moi. Today's rate: $1 = R11 (that's Rands). Or 1 British Pound = R16.
Humbly yours
Mr T
| lp | Day: 24
i am one of the fans of gaucho, but it's more for personal reasons and the lyrics so i'm not knocking people who feel otherwise - time out of mind is a glorious tune to me and the title track makes me laugh, those lines, hilarious, i can picture the scene - i like glamour profession becasue of the barbados line since that's where my honeymoon was 15 years ago this may (wow), my husband and i always repeat that line when it comes on, yes, just for the ride - i also like the lyrics to my rival (the whine on he wears a hearing aid also makes me laugh and gives a good image)
the release that gets more minimal airplay in my house is cbat - sorry, i think i'm just burnt out on it at the moment
| Joe Murtha | Day: 24
Don't know if this has already been posted but, here's a recent comment from Pat Metheny regarding a question involving Fagen and Becker from his website...
Question:
You might have noticed that a lot of us Metheniacs are also hard-core
Steely Dan fans. I read here that you played with Fagen and/or Becker at
a club in New York, that you've talked to them about a recording
project, etc. What's the real scoop? Inquiring minds want to know!
Pat's Answer:
hi mark,
that was really fun - i did a few unannounced gigs with donald fagan
around new york a few years ago - this was before the steely dan
reunion. one day, i was listening to the radio, and the dj said that
they were going to reunite to do a tour, they listed all the musicians
and that i was the guitar player! i hadn't talked to anyone about it!
well, i was shocked, a little bit pissed, but mostly flattered, but i
was touring with joshua redman and my own band around that time. then
walter becker called me a few times about doing it, tracking me down on
the road in europe and they called my office to talk about a fee for the
tour, etc. it was all kind of weird, but after all of this hoopla i
thought that maybe i might like to do it because it had been so much fun
playing those dan songs (which i love) with donald. but when i talked to
walter, i realized that if i did it, there would be three guitar players
in the band. i am sort of of the "one guitar is usually one too many
anyway" school, let alone three. so, it just kind of got dropped and i
didn't have to change things or cancel gigs or anything which would have
been a drag for me anyway - actually i don't think i could have done
that. i did go to see them one night on the tour; drew zing was playing
so great - he, along with the songs themselves, was the best part of the
whole show. i realized that i would not really have been that
comfortable doing it for more than a few nights anyway, it really was
like a greatest hits of the 70's kind of thing - it seemed like they
wanted it to sound as much as possible like the record versions which
would have been difficult for me to feel good about doing, so it worked
out best that i didn't do it. i still love listening to those records
though - the "nightfly" is probably my favorite. esp igy.
*** End Of Quote ***
Still pinning for the "next one"!
Joe
| Hutch | Day: 24
lcpaul - I believe it is "Mac".
http://www.rhino.com/features/bio/76652bio.html
You can also refer to the liner notes of Brutal Youth, etc.
Trivial point anyway, eh?
Hutch
| wormy | Day: 24
2029
hutch - black cow
book of numbers? her phone number/address book
femme fatale isn't content with him
and is busy calling her other pursuits
remedies - her stash of pills
one of these surely will screen out the sorrow
2027 schwinn - I hope to send you a number I am working on
will have to crank it out mid jazzfest week
most diverse dan album
thanks for all the responses!
- I too swing to Pretzel Logic
odd that the album with the conceptual theme would be the most diverse but it is
(where can you have Ellington, country swing, 30's raveup, 70's ballad etc on one disc)
I'm with Aja - most of Gaucho bores me
I really like BS and the title track
but glamour profession, third world man
a bit too contrived at times
and might I say sub par
they were working too hard to follow up aja
ready for the slams
tom of wormdom
| Bill | Day: 24
lcpaul,
Post your email address bro' and i'll fire you off a few pics
of my VTX 1800. This is simply the coolest stock motorcycle to
date. Honda basically produced a streetrod that leaves little
else to be desired. There are 2 versions of the bike, the custom
and the retro. The custom is more streetrod-like, the retro
is more cruiser-like. I've got a custom. You are correct, the
Harley and the Indian both have small engines (about 300 to
400 cc's smaller). This bike has the largest production V-twin
engine ever produced! The torque from this motor is simply
unbelievable as it produces about 35% more torque than the Harley Davidson V-Rod. Anyway, this is all gearhead stuff, just head over
to the local Honda dealer near you and ask to check out the
new VTX1800 Custom. Yeah, you'll probably buy one...hehehe...
Warning, they retail for $12,799 samolians so don't get sticker
shock ok? This isn't too bad considering the Harley V-Rod is
$25,000. Also, the Harley V-Rod has a Porche engine. You did'nt
think that Harley could build a good engine on thier own did you?
:)
| lcpaul | Day: 24
Hutch - close, but no cigar! It's Declan McManus, not Declan MacManus.
Gina - yeh, Afrikaans is one of our eleven official langauges. It has about half the number of words that English does, but I'm very fond of it. It's very expressive, great for poetry and fantastic for swearing, or in Afrikaans, vir vloek. Any Dutch people on this site will know what I mean. Incidentally, where do you hail from?
Duncan - come, the exchange rate is SO in your favour and Cape Town is perfectly situated for visiting the wine farms in Stellenbosch, Paarl and Franschhoek.
Bill - I wanna see a picture of your bike. Will I be able to find it on Honda's website? Never heard of an 1800cc before. Not even on a Harley or Indian.
Jimbo - thanks for clearing up the J.C. issue. I'd forgotten all that stuff.
Aja - wanted to say something to you, but it's clean gone and slipped my mind. Deary me.
Miz Ducky - couldn't agree more about Cousin Dupree.
And finally, earth to Gwen, come in please. We're not picking you up. You off holidaying and cavorting with that Toreodor in Spain AGAIN? Who gets to spend her birthday her bithday in Spain?
Ok, I'm outta here.
Later.
Peace be with you all.
| C @ W | Day: 23
Yes, Feel Woods.
| Meg Ryan | Day: 23
Feel Woods?
| C @ W | Day: 23
That's Feel Woods.
| Meg Ryan | Day: 23
Who's playing that saxsolo on Dr Wu?
| Clas @ W | Day: 23
Yes sugar?
| Meg Ryan | Day: 23
Clas?
| Clas @ W | Day: 23
I feel funny.
| G. | Day: 23
Oh Steviedan, don't let the fumes make you cut off you ear, ya hear?
| Miz Ducky | Day: 23
Hokay, my San Diego screed can now be found at:
http://www.drizzle.com/~mizducky/danofiles/sandiego.html
Or you can check out my whole Steely Dan page at the URL in the header of this post.
/the Mam'zelle
(fastest HTML hacker in the West?)
| steviedan | Day: 23
i have been under the influence of paint fumes.
i will return to catch up.
back to my masterpiece.
| oleander | Day: 23
Hutch--Thanx for the update! Please let me know soonest if it comes to pass.
So has anyone else noticed this guy, Arnold McCuller, who has a believe it or not hip-hop/smooth jazz version of "Lazy Nina"??!? I am very partial to Monkey House's cover, but this one is very fun, and the guy is not hard on the eyes, either:
http://digilander.iol.it/amccsite/albums.htm
You can hear the tune on mp3.com.
| Bill | Day: 23
Randy,
I mostly agree with your accessment of SD's best songs (I would
have added "FM" and "Don't Take Me Alive" but hey there's always
room for disagreement here.
But here's where we differ...
I have BIG PROBLEMS with Two Against Nature. Big problems my
friend, REAL BIG PROBLEMS. Here's a list of what's wrong with
this album;
1) NO WARRANTEE PAPERWORK!
What are you supposed to do if the thing breaks or has some kind
of manufacturers defect? This was a MAJOR oversight in my opinion.
2) NO TOLL-FREE CUSTOMER SERVICE NUMBER!
Who do you complain to if you open the box and a couple of beats
are missing? Who huh, who? You guessed it my friend, Can't Get
No Satisfaction...La, Da, Da, Da, Dee, Dee, Dee, Dee...
3) COMPLETE LACK OF HOW-TO INSTRUCTIONS!
How the heck do you guys overlook something as basic as this?
Who's in charge of this area down there, Goober from Mayberry
RFD?
4) NO ILLUSTRATED PARTS LIST!
Sure, I'm supposed to know how this thing goes together without
one right? Shameful, simply shameful...
5) NO FINANCING INFO!
Whaddya think people got $17.99 to just throw around these days?
C'mon man, you guys gotta include one of those "SD Bank" credit
application forms next time ok? I want a pic of the boys
jammin' at The Gorge on my card...
Hopefully you guys can set to work on some of these VERY OBVIOUS
DEFICIENCIES and put out a better product next time.
'Nuff said.
(It's the little things that makes a great album you know...)
:)
| Floridavid | Day: 23
St Al, I'll take your good vibes Sir! while I may have had my share of heartache these last few months...I have not let my performances suffer. I think back to Ricky Lawson taping the Plush Videos in New York after losing his Mom.It gave me strength talking to him in January in Anaheim. (He also told me to keep an eye out for the Yellowjackets reunion CD/Tour.) Still enjoying reading some of the good posts and also some of the Drivel here. I find I have little to contribute... but still think of my GB friends often. Later friends, David
| Randy | Day: 23
To: Aja
From: Randy
Re: Gaucho
'Gaucho' is "CONTRIVED"?? You ARE in the minority at my house. Surely the least impressive stuff from the Dan is on the first two albums...
"CONTRIVED"? Surely their best works (in no particular order) are 'Aja,' 'Gaucho,' 'The Royal Scam,' 'Two Against Nature,' and 'Katy Lied'... Walter, Donald, Gary, Roger and I are nearly crushed.
"No foolin' it's a fucked up world..."
- Walter Becker, 'Junkie Girl'
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.com
| jjeff-Fishbone soldier | Day: 23
Fishbone played Lunenburg,N.S., friday night! I still can't believe it. I'd seen it advertised for weeks but figured it was some sorry pieced together group with one original member so I bought a 6.50 ticket. Hell, cigarettes cost more than that here.
So me and my gal drive in to the Rec. centre and watch as parents drop off their kids with backpacks and skateboards( we were the oldest ones there). We sat in the car for a long while debating whether we should go in or not, finally did, and saw two local punk/grunge bands inciting the toddlers into the mosh pit which was the entire floor and proved to be what everyone else had shown up for.
Then Angelo Moore appears by the electronics to program some tunes for ambience. When the gospel or early jazz numbers started playing he'd look at me and laugh like we were the only ones in on what he was doing;trying to educate these pre-pubes as to where Fishbone's roots were.
Finally, they get onstage,(Norwood with that one dread sticking straight up from the middle his forehead, what a gas) and Angelo does a theremin solo that was impressive. I've heard that they're very hard to control, but maybe they've made improvements. After a poem by Angelo based on their ideals? they lit into a tight ska a la Ma and Pa. We stood to the side about 5ft. from Spacey T., the guitarist( the stage was a foot higher than the floor). The set was only an hour long, but we certainly got our moneys worth. Angelo has usurped the title of Hardest Working Man in Show Business. Sorry, J.B. If the kids weren't covered in their own sweat he showered them with his. He went through the crowd trying to convert the ignorant screaming,"What's the name of this band? The next time you think of pussy what are you gonna remember? Fishbone!" John Steward, the drummer acknowledged us with a smile, later a handshake and a few words along with Spacey T. Highlights were an incredible Sunless Saturday and Bonin' in the Boneyard.
Sorry for the rant, people but I'm hoping someone here can taste what was in the air Friday night. And Fishbone, if you're reading this, thanks again, and when was the last time you played to 300 high school kids with no idea of who you are( I heard one mosher say to Sapey,"You guys are fuckin' awesome, man")?
Will now read last weeks posts.
| Speaking of Kinky... | Day: 23
Thanks for the N.O.information Mr.K, but please find another handle. The one you're using is semi-retired and headed to the hall of fame.
| kinkysoandso | Day: 23
If you're going to the New Orleans JazzFest, make sure you check out tenor sax sensation Brian "Breeze" Cayolle and Blues Mistress Deluxe Marva Wright. They're two locals who will blow you away.
And don't forget to stop by Bayona on Dauphine for one of the best meals you'll ever eat!
Can't get enough of New Orleans. My wife and I have been there 4 times in the last year and we're going back again in September.
| Miz Ducky | Day: 23
Hiya, Mr. Pink--my San Diego Danfest review is not up on my website just yet, but when it is up (hopefully sometime late tonight) you can access it off the URL posted above. (Naw, didn't go check out the Specials--though I was kinda startled to see they're even still around and touring.)
Floridave--so sorry to hear about your dear kitty, and your club-owning compatriot.
/the Mam'zelle
(winging on through again)
| Kelly & Jack | Day: 23
So what's this beeping stuff with Wim Kok?
Nebbing in other countries' yards all the time, and a ham came your way didn't it?
Overseeing bleeping mass murder or something the bleep like that.
We're on tonight, so is Dad and Mom and all those bleeping puppies!
See you there!
| W1P | Day: 23
Can someone post a URL to Miz Ducky's description of Sandy Eggo 4/12? (I suspect that she snuck downstairs to catch the Specials set).
| Aja......................zooming at work and ALMOST outta here! | Day: 23
Jimbo wrote: "BTW: Has anyone found out if there are ways to get to Newport, RI by either train or plane? I sure as hell won't go by bus. To many weirdos ride them."
Gosh Jim, it couldn't be worse than this place-LOL!
Aja
| StAL | Day: 23
Bill: Don't try to e-mail those large files. E-mail me at my work address and I'll send instructions on how to upload them yourself and I'll take it from there. It's a simple as pie -- even YOU can do it. Trust me. Also, been sick recently so I'm not checking the home e-mail as much since I prefer the couch instead. Work is a better way to reach me. Click on the "email" link above.
Molly: Sweetie -- you don't have to keep thanking me. But you're welcome.
Floridavid: Good GOD man! I hereby declare the remainder of 2002 negative event-less for you. Beaming positive energy. Can you feel it?
Miz D: you're still one of my favorite reads.
StAl
| lp | Day: 23
jim# - take a flight into providence, i'll give you a ride over to newport - there is also a train that goes through providence, i think - what are the dates this year again?
aus?????!!!!!
batman? keaton was the best!
wormy: agreed, pretzel logic is the most diverse in its varied styles
| Molly | Day: 23
Icpaul,I did hear on local news program that Johnny Clegg was killed.It was some time ago...Glad if that isn't case.Some day will check out your postings in GB.Right now I'm reading excerpts from Hagakure.It is about the way of the Samurai...also reading some poetry.
Hutch, thanks for note.
Bill, got photo of bike...it's a beauty.(Remember what I said Wild Man, be careful)
Stevee, I'm glad you're with us...nothing going on,just missing you.
Aja,if you weren't playing with Ward and June.....
Clas, will try to watch spacing. lol lol
St. Al, thanks for having me..
be peaceful and loving M.
| Duncan | Day: 23
....Must learn to type faster
11 posts since i read ''Pink's'' opinion of Buzz
.......Still i'm not in the pub
db
| Duncan | Day: 23
WIP: Ref Through with Buzz.
I also hated it ages ago, when I first heard it.
But there is something to be said about its beautiful simplicity.
1 line verses - chorus- 1 line verseàand so on.
It really does work & coming straight after Parker's Band, provides the perfect calm before the stormer that is.. Pretzel Logic.
At only 1.29, What a great way to fill up an album.
I put it at the top of my least favourite tracks a few months ago.
& As you can see, my views on it have changed considerably.
Try listening to it through headphones the string arrangement is as near perfect as I've ever heard.
A real shame that the ''concept'' for the song wasn't taken further. IMHO
Must be the warm weather, the extra sunlight & the fact that everything's coming round & waking up this time of year.
Why Bill I've even had my arm out the van window this afternoon.
(I wasn't drivingàjust hoovering )
It's an old clichT àbut being asked to name worst & favourite SD tracks is for the birds.
My fav's change twice a week along with my socks & pants.
Any major dude is my fav 20:55 23/04/02.
Ask me tomorrow @ the same time & it'll be something completely different.
I also have been lurking for a few days due in part to a couple of things, Lack of sleep & too much alcohol, Still buoys will be buoys.
lcpaul: thanks for the SA colour..Somewhere I've vowed to visit, well the vineyards anyhow.
(Once caught Johnny Clegg in LondonàI think)
MC: love the bridge shot reminded me of my wet days in the National Gallery in Londonà.
Caught an interview with Michael J Fox last night on TV anybody read his bookà.? (Lucky guy)
France à.?
Gina àwhat's 220klm between friends, the train / tram fair is in the post.
Nite Nite all my friends. xxxxxx
Dan Cut his lip, scratched his nose & bumped his head at the weekend.
(that might explain the van with mirrored windows parked across the road)
Another virus infection 8:05 Monday Morningàwhat a way to start the week. Apologies to all in my Address book.
db
xxxxx
| Jimbo | Day: 23
Molly- To settle the Johnny Clegg thing once and for all, I went back on the net.
Dudu Zulu, a background vocalist for Savuka, Clegg's band, was killed in 1992 while trying to mediate a dispute between to rival tribes. That's the only info I have at this time.
So you can rest easily, Johnny Clegg is still alive and performing.
BTW: Has anyone found out if there are ways to get to Newport, RI by either train or plane? I sure as hell won't go by bus. To many weirdos
ride them.
| Floridavid | Day: 23
Hello to Everyone....yes, I'm still here. We are mourning the Loss of our Beloved Cat. My boy Kasim was 17 years old when he Died Sunday. I was onstage Playing a Benefit Show with some Local Musicians when he went into Cardiac Arrest.My Wife Dale had the Burden of Taking him to the Vet for a final I.V. He is now buried in back of the Lanai, facing the Water. We Miss him So much.
One of Three Brothers that Own a local Blues Spot was Killed on His Harley a few weeks ago. His Wife and two small Children were our cause for the Day. The Club, called Gatorz has been a stopover between Miami and Tampa for a lot of Name Blues Artists over the years. Chris Anderson, formerly of the Outlaws headlined.
Anyway, You guys take care and Have a Ball N.O. Jazz Festers!
Later, David
| Aja | Day: 23
My least fave: "Gaucho". I just hate it-too contrived! I'm sure I'll be in the minority here.
Molly-I don't agree with your interp of "Black Cow" (and I have no problem agreeing to disagree ;o), but do happen to agree heartily with your views on interpretation!
Icpaul-thanks for that background, very interesting. I found out what apartheid was in high school when I heard the song "Free Nelson Mandela" by the Special AKA. My friend thought it was a happy song, but I listened to the lyrics and realized it was anything but. I started researching Nelson Mandela and learned about the shameful side of South African history (it goes without saying that we have plenty to be ashamed about over here as well). It must have been eye-opening to grow up in a society with legislated racism and know it was wrong.
Gwen? You still out there?
Aja
| angel | Day: 23
Ducky: An excellent accounting of the goings on 2 weeks ago. Glad that you managed to write one up for posterity.
I just got some pictures back from that evening and I have an interesting picture of Bob up on a chair with his shoeless feet and a drink in his hand. Is that Gaucho or Pretzel Logic? Inquiring minds want to know....
| hmmm... | Day: 23
I really love WB's solo stuff and I also like "Change of the Gaurd".
| W1P | Day: 23
Ducky, I love it too but I love cheddar goldfish and chocolate and that doesn't make it "good"
| Bill | Day: 23
Pat,
Damn..."failed delivery" notification to the NewFrontierConsulting
webadress. Will try to resend to the Banyantrees webadress.
| Miz Ducky | Day: 23
Aw, Mr. Pink--what's wrong with a little "Buzz"? I love that song. Seriously, I do. It still makes me crack up every time.
I confess, though, that there are vanishingly few Dan songs that I don't like. In fact, there's only one that I really loathe--"Change of the Guard." I still wonder what they were thinking with that one--maybe very deep irony? Anyway, I take comfort in assuming that's one of the ones Donald was referring to when he has categorized some of their early stuff as "juvenilia."
/the Mam'zelle
(who is maybe a fairy too)
| Miz Ducky | Day: 23
Walter is IMO an absolute god on the bass. In fact, the one-and-only thing I can possibly find to regret about the amazing Tom Barney handling bass duties at all the Dan's live shows is that I don't get to hear Walter play bass live. (Though then of course I'd start getting wistful about missing Walter's uniquely sly style on guitar ... I know, there's just no satisfying some people ... )
I have noticed that some folks have slagged off "Cousin Dupree" for being too pop or whatever, but I love that song, and one of the reasons I love it is Walter's bass on that track--both the playing, and the tone (Mr. Gear-slut Becker apparently running that axe through some interesting filter-gizmo I dunno enough to identify).
Re: my color commentary on the San Diego Danfest--it's done, but IMO it's a little long to post here, so you can either read it in the latest issue of Hoops' Digest, or wait until I've slung a copy up on my website (which I hope to get to tonight.
P.S. Among the assortment of instruments Bob Tedde and company had on hand for the San Diego Rockola/Steely Damned show was one of those fiddle-shaped basses (for the Rockola "Beatles B-Sides" opening set). They had an electric sitar on hand too--used for both the Beatles and the Dan.
/the Mam'zelle
(my spine is the bassline)
| Bill | Day: 23
Pat,
Just sent you two short .mov files from the concert.
One is Paul's first exit from the show (he's carrying a
boquet of flowers that an audience member handed him) and
the other is his final exit from the show. Someone in the
vacinity is yelling "Woooooooo", I guess a good time was
had by all...LOL!
I sent them to your Newfrontierconsulting webadress....
Bill
| W1P | Day: 23
Yeah, Pretzel Logic is so diverse it features the worst Dan song ever committed to vinyl -- Through with Buzz -- maybe he is a fairy?
Word to the wise -- Which One's Pink? & Mike Keneally on 5/4/02 @ Paladino's Even if you hate Floyd, Mike Keneally is worth the price of admission even to the pickiest (snobbiest?) of Dan fans.
Take a rest, do your very best
| Where's 99? | Day: 23
" -'- "s and " -"- "s when typed in Word for Windows come out looking like " -?- "s here on the guest book. Sorry about that, Chief.
Maxwell-Dan
| Steveedan | Day: 23
I also believe that Pretzel Logic is the most diverse Steely Dan album. Parker?s Band, Through With Buzz, With A Gun, Charlie Freak ? ¦ said that this second side of the vinyl album is the most diverse "side" of all. I agree. Isn?t "With A Gun" the only Country?Rock song they have ever done? I don?t consider C2E?s "Pearl Of The Quarter" a country-rock song despite it?s inclusion of slide (or is that pedal steel) guitar.
These songs span the genres of Bebop, Country-Rock, and exhibits a violin section treatment for one ballad. Also, Fagen and Becker began their departure from a band to their now famous use of studio musicians to achieve the sound they envisioned for their music. Plus Pretzel Logic is the only album of theirs that had black and white photos (both the pretzel vendor on the cover and the band photo in the inside of the fold-out).
I think that their least diverse album is Katy Lied. It is not that the songs sound similar to each other but rather that the production on each song is very much the same throughout the album.
Thank you Mr. Wormtom for the questions ?
Molly ? I have been lurking for the past week. Since the San Diego Dan Fest with The Steely Damned it seems that the guest book has been dealing with heavy subjects that I did not want to chime in on. It?s not that I don?t find them interesting, but that I am after music and social event information here. This is not a complaint, just my view on the subject.
Gina ? do you know what?s going on with John Beasley? I wonder how his European tour is going.
Bill ? I am looking forward to seeing those McCartney photos. Sounds like his concert was a lot of fun. I am still bumming about missing Pat Metheny and Mr. (Lyle Mays) Spock. ? Captain?s Log ? down the toilet.
Steveedan
| W1P | Day: 23
Declan (my friend Pepper shares the same birthday and year as the mother of my dear Aja and she named her boy after Elvis while we went for the Dan as inspiration)
| C @ W | Day: 23
ôle Pen has changed the colour in France...ö
You bet Gina. I heard rumours that dr Mu and Bill are having their vacations in France this summer.
IF dr Mu can overcome his sneakfear for Micronesian woman at the US airports.
C
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| cara mia | Day: 23
Hi, Hutch.
Chris Botti also played with Joni Mitchell when she toured in '98. Not only is he a fine musician but also one of the most handsome men I have ever beheld... "Botti"celli-like...
L-U-V,
cara mia
| Batman | Day: 23
kitty please reconsider.
| C @ W | Day: 23
Also; Beckers bass in ôDown In The Bottomö, very tasty.
Are there any cooler things in life than having Abba in the headphones while jogging?
ôGimme gimme gimme a man after midnite...ö whoah, or;
ôYou're so cute, teasing me... does your mother know that you're out...ö
Gives me the chills. And;
ôWaterloo, Napoleon surrender...ö
---
MAYBE there is one thing that's cooler; Ace Of Base's ôAll that she wants is another baby...ö No shit, some great music that is.
C
| Gina | Day: 23
Hey Hutch, would be neat if you could arrange an autograph. i checked his site and it has changed some. LOVE the canine pages and photographs :-) Discovered too late Tribal Tech was in Amsterdam or else i would be glued on the front seat :-)
They have a raving sense of humor, just love it, it's in the music.
I have Willis' Bent and he knows how to make a difference. There are many good bassists in various fields of music, still most of them have their own voice and if needs to be explained how, what or why .. i don't know .. it's in the sound, a feel i guess.
You will have a great time during that clinic, Hutch!! Cool.
Thanks ICPaul, not as much curiosity as genuine interest and oh well, hihi, maybe curiosity also :-) Allright if this walk down memory lane is a bit saddening, still the irony where your grandmother is concerned and her speaking Zulu ... The world mostly only knows about what's in the press and all, some books and movies .. The controverse and inhumanity and such ...But there must also be some real good things about growing up in South Africa. Cape Town is Kaapstad in dutch. The dutch were there as well, hihi. It's in some of the language, still. Afrikaander taal. Some words even more literally and not as much grammar as we have. We speak Afrikaans we could say if one doesn't spell right :-) Anyway.
Yes the music. More about the music. Thank you :-) How big was and is the influence of american music, or America sec in South Africa ...
LOL
Biting my tongue to comment Bill's vibrating car mirrors :-)
Banyan Tree Bass Nonresistant Bow,
G.
PS. lePen has changed the color in France. Europe on the verge of .....?
| Hutch | Day: 23
Aussie - I understand Chris Botti also played with Sting's band on the Brand New Day tour.
lcpaul - That would be Declan MacManus! Did I win?
Hi Gina! I'll see what I can do with Willis photos. Maybe I can get his autograph for you!
Hutch
| Bill | Day: 23
Don't ya' just love that opening bassline on WB's "Hard Up Case".
That song makes my car's reaview mirrors bounce. Honestly,
you can't see out your rearview mirrors if you turn that song
way up :)
Pat,
If I send you this McCartney stuff and it gets put up on the
website, will the folks from Paul McCartney Inc. come a-lookin'
for me? I don't mind Paul so much but it's that drummer of
his that scares me. Hopefully his drummer isn't also a lawyer
or I may wind up in jail too. Assuming I live that is...
:)
| lcpaul - live from afrika! | Day: 23
Gina - how'd you know 'bout the cute babe next door?
Excerpt one from lcpaul's life in South Africa as we knew it:
I was born in Harare, Zimbabwe, then Salisbury, Rhodesia. My folks moved to SA when I was eight. I was aware, from an early age, that apartheid was wrong. Instinctively. But my dear late grandmother (may she RIP) was the polar opposite. She worked as a housekeeper in various hotels, which meant most of her staff were black men. mostly Zulu speaking, a language in which she, ironically, was fluent. She was so paranoid about black people that she literally wouldn't use a glass, a cup, a knife, fork or spoon, if she a black person had ever touched it. She wouldn't use a toilet if she knew that a black person had used it. She called them 'Kaffirs', a very derogatory word, which I eventually got her to give up using (in my presence anyway). Black people had to carry a passbook, like a passport that exerted control over their entry and exit from so-called white areas, in which they were not permitted to reside. They were relegated to 'townships' nothing more really than a slum. You must have heard of Soweto, which incidentally stands for SOweto WEstern TOwnship. Unfortunately, a lot of this legacy endures today, despite 1994 and our new democracy. Most manual labourers and servants are still black. The majority are illiterate. Things are changing though. It just seems to take so long. Our black population also has the highest rate of HIV-infection anywhere on this screwed-up planet we call earth.
I could go on. But I get sad recalling all this stuff. And I've got work to do. Gina, hope that's a start to satisfying your curiosity. More later about radio and music.
| cross-eyed analyst | Day: 23
And yes, it's clear the role Becker bass lines play in the equation. MOA shows that bass parts were played as directed. Sure, Rainey could throw something in there and get away with it but those parts were all Becker, then and now.
So we shall refine our axiom as such:
Becker lines + Fagen vocals + timely cameos = steam-powered dildoics
| lcpaul | Day: 23
Quiz Question of the Day:
What is Elvis Costello's real name?
Answers on a postcard to lcpaul, Cape Town.
First correct entry drawn wins absolutely fuck all, except the smug satisfaction of knowing that you knew the answer.
| ps | Day: 23
LOL
hey hey, i needed to rhyme
and couldn't buy that thrill
so don't make my head get stuck in the chimes
or else i'll have you baby-sit NY Bill
:-)
| Gina | Day: 23
hey Hutch :-) COOL .. Gary Willis .. very cool, beyond cool, better than cool! Please, get some pics of the event ..?
ICPaul ... well, it doesn't have to be personal as in wanting to know whether you fell of a wagon when trying to impress your cute nextdoor babe of the block :-) ... BUT would like to know more about life in South Africa as in musical influences, what did the radio stations play, how did it mix & mingle with living in South Africa as it was ... stuff like that. And, given the racial issues and all, how did you, being a white South African deal with that and apparently managed to keep your sanity? Must be Steely Dan, right?
Jazzfests up in GB-air ... Roving reports to read ...
The Trees rock in anticipation.
Off now.
G.
| lcpaulakathefez | Day: 23
Molly - S'far's I know, Johnny Clegg's alive and well and kicking and then some. No news of his demise I'm relieved to report. Wonder where you heard that? I posted a bit of stuff about him a while ago, if you're interested. Enjoyed your last post. Nice to see someone who's willing to take some risks, sincerely, without posing or posturing.
Gina - at the risk of boring others on this site, I'm reluctant to go into personal details, but will if pressed.
West of Hollywood, bass groove, yeh baby!
Still got to plump for Negative Girl though, as probably my Dan number of the moment. Can't stop listening to it, 'specially after a J.
| Later | Day: 22
Oh yes, is there anyone out there who's been listening to West of Hollywood? Isn't Beckers bass-groove one of the coolest?
C
| Later | Day: 22
Oh yes, is there anyone out there who's been listening to West of Hollywood? Isn't Beckers bass-groove one of the coolest?
C
| Clas | Day: 22
Molly, space after dots and commas, okay?
---
It took me sometime, but when I woke up this morning I did realize this; Gaucho is a Tango!
At least the refrain, ba ba ba ba BA ba ba ba ba BA ba ba ba ba...
Acoustic Guitar, Spanish style, and Castanets.
Somboronbom a Seniorita from Panama!
Later,
C
| Molly | Day: 22
Foghorn,
You old guys...ever since Viagra has come out you've been frisky.Be careful pops.You'll hurt yourself.lol M.
| Molly | Day: 22
There is one particular poem by Dylan Thomas that I love.All of us here could read this poem,and interpret it in a different way.The general consensus would probably be that the poem was about his birthday.I have always thought that it is about his death.His spirit is traveling back through the pages of his life.Would I be right and you wrong?I don't know?Art,Music and Literature are supposed to be subjective.If everyone perceived those things in the exact same way,would it be valid?I am an Artist.Many times someone will ask me about a painting that I have done,and what I was trying to convey.Unless it is a portrait,there is no clearly defined meaning to my work.I attempt to take the fragments inside my head and heart,and put them on canvas.The painting almost always takes on it's on content.The meanings that you may take away from it is what you will....
I found your comments on SD's songs very informative.I have not watched the documentary you've mentioned.I probably won't.It would make me feel to fucking sad.Like watching home movies of your children when they were small,or seeing a dead loved one.Steely Dan was a part of my youth.I began listening to them at 13.I could relate to the things that they sang about.Even now when I hear Bodhisattva,my mind flashes on the memory of being 17,and feeling like I had the world by it's ass.As I grew older,I changed and so did the meanings that I gleaned from their songs.I like the fact that those meanings are my own.
to you know who: I have tried very hard not to dislike you.All I ever see you post are your nasty comments.Perhaps you are one of those people who tries to make themselves feel better by hurting others.Ease up,I get that you think you're smarter,hipper whatever...ok.
be peaceful and loving my friends M.
| ╡ | Day: 22
Hutch: The second half of the album does not quite match the first half. 45 and Tear Off Your Own Head (It's a Doll Revolution) sound like classic EC. I want to love this one more, but it seems that the expression and production of each song try too hard to match the subject matter. EC works best like on Chelsea, Radio Radio, Oliver's Army, Green Shirt, Satellite, or Tramp the Dirt Down where the sound is counterpoint to the lyrical content...so sweet that Linda Ronstadt could like the icing off the acid cake...
| ╡ | Day: 22
Hutch: From the clips I heard late last night, the new EC album does indeed have the sound from This Year's Model (his 2nd one and the first with the Attractions). The song structures run the gamut from My Aim is True , This Year's Model, Armed Forces, Get Happy, Imperial Bedroom, to Blood and Chocolate. Reminiscent, but vicious. Ec's voice is in prime shape...
The first 3 Dan albums are not surprisingly the most divers in sound. Katy Lied, Aja, Gaucho, and The Nightfly are the most cohesive/homogenous...on the benefit of side 2 (for those old vinyl owners), I give PL the nod slightly over CTE. Every song is unique in style.
| Aussie | Day: 22
Hutch: Thanks for colour on Mr. Botti. I had the chanse to see him play with a Krimso fractal: B.L.U.E. Messrs. Tony Levin on Warr Guitar and Bill Bruford on batteries provided the most amazing support for this short lived ensemble. The fact that fastidious musicians like Mr. Levin and Mr. Bruford chose Mr. Botti to tour with them was indeed a huge stamp of approval. I met him after the show at the Knitting Factory in the East Village, New York City and he was a quite humble and impressive gentleman (this was a few years ago now). In a curious run-in, I spotted him and his lovely gal strolling the Streets of Southampton a few years after the show...great guy and super talented.
Dean Wurmer: Thanks for blast-back. My mouth is watering thinking of that craw dad boil at your place....Babes loves them too...be sure to order more than a few....we'll make you whole with legal tendre.
CaraMiaMarsha: Ya gotta come sweetie (to New Orleans JazzFest)....I know you got it in you....
Aja: Did you get my e-blast?
Great week everybody!
Aus
| oops | Day: 22
Oops...my bad.
if you click on the email link in the header of the last post, there is a typo. Please email charette@flathat.net to contact me and Oleander about any missed entry.
Thanx.
oops
| h & O | Day: 22
ATTENTION ENTRANTS: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Charette
O. and I were going over the entries for Steely Charette to design a Steely Dan exhibit for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame exhibit.
To confirm, we have entries from:
òáEllen Brenner (aka Miz Ducky)
òáJan-Olov Blix
òáShotan
òáPeg Jordan
If you entered and your name does not appear, please accept our apologies and email us tout de suite at charette@flathat.net
Thank yoU!
The letters h and O
| Hutch | Day: 22
Hope everyone's well.
I caught Chris Botti Saturday night at The Canal Club here in town. Great show. For those who don't know, he's a jazz trumpet player. Really good band backing him. Female drummer who was just kickin' butt. I think her name is Karen Teperberg... something like that. Botti's tone is amazing. Just crystal clear and pure. He wowed the audience with some circular breathing at the end of a couple of tunes... holding a note out for about 20 or 30 seconds. My only complaint was that they only played for an hour and did a one-song encore. Since they arrived 45 minutes late to the gig I think they should have given us a little more. But it was a great show. Check them out if you get a chance.
Elvis? How about Mr. Costello. I understand he has a new one that'll be out tomorrow. Steve Nieve and Pete Thomas from The Attractions are on it but Bruce Thomas (bass) isn't. Supposedly it's more like the older material from like Armed Forces or This Year's Model. I'll be over at Tower tomorrow morning!
Wormy - I agree with you on Black Cow. That's pretty much the way I always pictured it. But what's the book of numbers? I'm guessing connections for her drug habit. Her remedies.
Gary Willis is doing a bass clinic at our store next month. That should be pretty cool!
Ole - The boss is still working on getting Dennis Chambers back. That would surely not be one to miss. The 55 minute solo he did at the last one was one of the most amazing performances I've ever seen!
Molly - Enjoy your posts.
Hutch
| oleander | Day: 22
Thanks, MC, Edd, and Chips. I was finally ready to bug out of this place with a diatribe, but you made it possible to stay.
| Brett Barney aka Schwinn | Day: 22
Many thanks to everyone who has contributed music for this year's guestbook compilation CD. You've sent me some good stuff but it's not enough! We have 11 days left before the double secret probabtionary deadline of 5/3 and I still need at least TWO MORE submissions! So drop and give me 20--or at least 2...
Seriously, this isn't a beauty contest--and I'd rather not fill the CD out with my stuff, SO...
Happy recording, and please, SHOCK the monkey...
SEMB
| phony beatlemania has bitten the dust... | Day: 22
um, bill...thats a "Hoffner" bass.
dif
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 22
from today's walk by the river:
http://users.sitestar.net/~jtalbott/WoodenBridge.jpg
| steely foul by gee! | Day: 22
"their first (C2E)"
you should know this after all the endless discussions, gee! the first album is can't buy a thrill. countdown to ecstasy is the second. gee!
foul penalty: gee must spend an hour in chat with nybill......
| Johnny Clegg was killed????? | Day: 22
say it ain't so!
| Molly in Ky. | Day: 22
Ok,Ok. JAZ,WORMY you've convinced me she's not a pro.Hell why argue about a song from 20 odd years ago anyway? lol We won't get into Dr.Wu....
Icpaul, I was thinking about an artist from South Africa just the other day,do you remember Johnny Clegg and Savuka? He was killed at the height of his career.I've oftened asked myself if his death might have been political?Would like to hear your opinion.M.
| Bill | Day: 22
Pat,
We had a complete blast at the McCartney concert!
I'd be more than happy to send you all of the .mov files that
I have. You can decide which ones are the best. One of them is
like 2 minutes long so it's a HUGE file to try and email. My
email server came back with a big error message which basically
said that the file was too large.
I have numerous pics, some are real good and some are a bit blurry
as the flash was turned off in order to avoid attention. Still
a few of the pics are classic Paul, especially the one with him
and the Hofman fiddle bass pointing straight up. We had good seats
(only two rows back, beyond that were the mixing boards and all of
Pauls numerous guitars). The other guitarists in Pauls band are
fantastic and his drummer is a cross between Mr. T and an NFL
Offensive lineman (LOL!) I mean this guy is BIG! I thought the
guy was gonna smash his drumset he was hitting em' so hard!
Anyway, I have a .mov file of a major part of "Freedom" including
Paul's break in the middle of the song and the end including the
crowd reaction. It a great file so please tell me how to send it
and the other .mov's to you.
The camera had a 128 megabyte card in it and it was full at the end
of the concert. I also have a .mov of Paul leaving the stage at
the end of the show and also leaving the stage at the end of the
encores...it was just pandemonium!
Keep in mind that the sound on these is not great as they were
taken with a handheld Kodak dx3600 zoom, but hey the images are
worth it all anyway.
Let me know where and how to send them and thier yours to post as
you like.
Paul Rocks!
| Freeze | Day: 22
I'LL BE BACK"
jack do it again
we'll turn them round and round and round and round and yep.
scroll on up now.
oops. sorry.
not.
| Foghorn Leghorn | Day: 22
I say, I mean, I say, if you all are trying to bring cartoon capers to a well, uh, mindin the ladies here, but if you are going to start that sorta thing, well, let me tell you son, you better not be leavin this old boy out of the fun - now listen to me when i'm talkin to ya, boya
Sheesh, this new generation, I'm-a tellin ya, going to hell in a handbasket!
| Comedy Capers | Day: 22
Uma, you better ride on the next cab, girl!
Your bones will break if you wanna chainlock our posse.
| Uma | Day: 22
Exactly my point...
| Boy Wonder | Day: 22
Do i still fit in?
| Uma Thurman | Day: 22
Hey, you know what they say about guys that wear capes...
| Batman but you can call me.......... | Day: 22
My little hell cat,will be flying to In.Will you meet me in Starlite?We can do anything you want.Call you tonight.
| angel | Day: 22
As usual, Oleander makes the update and doesn't tell anyone. Good thing I check back, upon occasion. Quite a verbose entry and worthy of reading. I even loved the link to another person analyzing Steely Dan lyrics.
Check it out, when you have a little reading time.
Click the link above, or use this.
http://home.earthlink.net/~oleander1/geishaf.htm
| Edd | Day: 22
I used to think how silly it was that some people would go to Graceland just because it was Elvis's home...
That LAST time I thought it was silly I was walking north on CPW towards The Dakota, like I do whenever I'm in NYC.
DOH!! End of "silly Elvis devotee" thoughts...
I don't "get" Elvis, any more than my nephews "get" The Beatles. But, I acknowledge he's probably the closest competition to them in the "influence popular music" game.
| StAl | Day: 22
Wormy -- my .02. Pretzel Logic. It's all on there. Straight ahead Rock, Jazz, Blues.
Elvis over the Beatles? WTF? Are you kiding? On that alone I will forever boycott that magazine - not that I read much of anything that comes of out the Time-Warner stable...
| StAL | Day: 22
Bill: Those pictures came through. They're pretty damn good. I'm sure others would like to see them. But instead of you e-mailing them all over hell and gone, why dont you let me post them to the site so people can pull them up with their web browser. Also, that MPEG file I'd be interested in too. E-mail me at the address in the link above and I'll give you full instructions on how to upload them to the net. Easy as pie. It'll go much faster than trying to e-mail it and there's not nearly as much packet loss using FTP because that's what it was designed for. E-mailing anything over 500k really pushes the the protocol e-mail was designed for. blah blah blah...
Pat
PS: Layne Staley R.I.P
| Bill | Day: 22
Another 80's group that I enjoyed alot....Acoustic Alchemy.
I understand one of the founding members passed away a few
years ago but I believe the rest are still together.
Have'nt heard any of thier latest stuff though.
| jimbo | Day: 22
Wormy- Saw X-Files. Bummed that my boys, the Lone Gunmen are R.I.P.
I did look in the lIfe Magazine special, but didn't see the Dan. I might have missed it, but I'll check it again. Thanks.
Still thinking about going to Newport Jazz Festival in August, but so far,
trying to find info on getting there by plane or train hasn't helped. If anyone has any info on how to get to Newport, Ri by way of Pittsburgh, PA
I would appreciate it.
Bad news-N'Stink is playing in Pittsburgh today. Good News- Their popularity should wane by right now.
I just ordered the Norah Jones CD from Best Buy. It should be in tommorrow. Has any one heard it. Let me know.
Jimbo
| Gee | Day: 22
oh your ~~~~ ee ness :-)
we bow to thee in shame
wrapped up in the rapracism-ate tease game
the least diverse
would be
the gaucho beated
the most
their first (C2E)
or their second (PL)
let's repeat it
diverse for still looking for what sound they like the most
is it rock, is it jazz, is it mixing in the best of both
ah see that's why they call it pop or isn't it just pop?
i dunno i am blurred fail to see the pins here drop
Banyan Tree 4 Wormman Bow,
G.
| wormy | Day: 22
x-files was a lame em boy o lone gunman episode complete with dumb bimbo
it was background fodder 20 minutes in
damn, missed that Ansel Adams documentary
thanks for the info Midnight
maybe it will surface on dvd
I've read quite a bit on and by ansel, and stood in the spot of many of his landscapes, a real genius and gentle soul
speaking of dvd's bought the new Clash documentary - really fabulous
and diana krall in paris (haven't viewed yet)
was too busy watching cusak's serendipity - hopeless romantic
black cow is not about a prostitue
it's the protagonists two timing girlfriend
she's probably some glamourous gal who the guy hangs on to
he's smitten with her and finally overcomes this
the pros play the game - not prostitution
more pros are those who have thick skin and can weave their way in and out of relationships without any sense of remorse, guilt or heart burn
the ice queen cometh
life magazine - rock turns 50 on newstands
Steely Dan listed as 59 (not bad)
Elvis #1 over the Beatles is a crime
new mojo - Peter Gabriel sometime in 02
some songs in the can
big elvis article - big woop
no takers on my dan thread???
~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
WHAT IS THE MOST DIVERSE STEELY DAN ALBUM AND WHY?
LEAST DIVERSE?
thanks
tom of wormness
| ╡ | Day: 22
The Sailer article was drivel except (unintentionally) for this passage:
"I'll bet by race: East Africans, especially members of the amazing Kalenjin tribe of Kenya, will dominate **distance running**. People of West African descent will rule **sprints, hurdles,** long jump, and basketball."
ROFLMAO - Within the same so-called "race" we have two loci with COMPLETELY OPPOSITE in coding for muscle functional characteristics!!!!
The abilitiy to run long distances largely depends on a high percentage (>80%) of SLOW TWITCH muscle fibers. This can be changed modestly by training. A very small locus of Kenyans and one or tow Somalians who possess this ability (and have not much else to do) have been succesfully competing at the international level
However, there are a great deal whites have set records and competed successfully at the world class level in endurance events. Check out the next major 10K race in your area - look at all those white men on the street!!! Get along...
Remember, Richard Bannister, the first person to break the 4 minute mile, was a thin, white English guy. With today's tracks, shoewear, training facilities, and scientific knowledge in biochemistry, biomechanics, and dare I say psychology Bannister would challenge the 3:45 mark if he grew up today.
In contrast, sprinters have the OPPOSITE muscle fiber phenotype: a high percentage of FAST TWITCH fibers (only 10-20% SLOW). How could the same race under your model possibly contain the opposite set of genes for expression of skeletal muscle properties? Therefore, are these then TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT races? Gee, they both have dark brown skin?? Since your model of racial differences MUST depend on homogeneity of each race in question, the answer is the tow loci CAN'T be from the same race if we adhere to this IGNORANT thesis!
One of my closest friends in school was an African American and he was the slowest guy in the gym class...and no, they don't all dance like Mr. Bojangles either...
Thank you for proving my point...Really...class dismissed...
| Molly still in KY. | Day: 22
Guys we are going to have to agree to disagree about "Black Cow".No I didn't see Making of Aja...I think she was his love interest,but from references in song She was a hooker.The book of numbers was her "trick" book.She looked so outrageous...She changed her name,like strippers and prostitutes will.
Becker and Fagen have a "thing" for ladies of the evening...I think it's that Night in Shining Armor syndrome.And probably the fact that those women defy societial mores.I don't think "Black Cow" was about drink...anymore then "Pearl of the Quarter" was about a white girl scout.
Icpaul, yes that was the Blessing CD I was referring to.I liked it a great deal.Thank you for being polite enough to respond to my query..lol.
Jaz,Dif,Lady Bayside,Arlean,Blinkand guest it was a pleasure talking with you....
Where the hell is Stevee Dan???
St.Al,thanks for having me....
be peaceful and loving my GB friends M.
| Bill | Day: 22
Good new songs of late:
Res (Pronounced "Reese") song is "They Say Vision".
An excellent song. I've never heard her stuff before but will
have to pick up her latest and check it out.
Pink's "Don't Let Me Get Me".
Not a tremendous fan of Pink but her latest is one is actually
pretty good.
John Mayer's "No Such Thing".
You guys are right, John Mayer could be the real deal.
Will pick up his latest too.
"I just found out there's no such thing as the real world
Just the truth you've got to rise above"
Nice line John...
:)
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 22
Chips....there was some great television last night but it wasn't the X Files.
anyone see the Ansel Adams special on PBS last night? One of the best things I've seen on TV in a long, long time. I have a whole new respect for the man's genius.
| Duncan | Day: 22
how odd
| Gina | Day: 22
Hm. ICpaul ... in a free fall from Thomas Dolby's Hyperactive intro:
"Tell us about your childhood" and country :-)
| Chips | Day: 22
Anyone watch the X-Files last night? There was an entire diatribe about Joey Ramone! Long love the Lone Gunman!
"Joey never sold out, they never beat him down."
A great moment in television...
Okay. icpaul, but just don't hug me, okay?
| lcpaul | Day: 22
Thanks Edd, glad you liked it too.
| Edd | Day: 22
"Jocelyn Square" was done by Love And Money.
Wonderful tune...
| lcpaul | Day: 22
Back from a weekend without a fix of this fine GB. Damn, I've got it bad.
Chips - I'm also glad you're not going. Let's bury the hatchet. You sound like a nice person. Friends?
Face - actually "Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder".
Molly - will get back to you about "The Blessing". If I'm not mistaken, they only made one album. One real fine album though. The one with the big bed on the cover. That the one you were thinking of?
You guys talk about racism. Very interesting for me, being a white South African. Fuck, when I was growing up, racism was legislated, for God's sake.
Can anyone tell me who did the song "Jocelyn Square"?
And did anyone else 'round these parts ever listen to "David and David"?
Must get to the store to listen to "String Cheese".
StAl - thanks for this site.
Peace.
lcp
| oh well at least the second file went through... | Day: 21
It's just Paul's final exit from the stage Pat.
Wish I could send the larger one but it's like 32 megabytes.
Sorry.
| Bill | Day: 21
Pat,
My server failed to send the mpeg again...
25602 blocks, any advise?
Clas,
Yes I should have known...lol!
| Bill; | Day: 21
I was just kidding, there are no such options, sorry if you thought I was serious.
C
| man these .mov files are big... | Day: 21
Patience Pat....
| man these .mov files are big... | Day: 21
Patience Pat....
| thanks Clas | Day: 21
I'll give that a try with the mpegs. One is at least a minute
long and probably is too big to send in one email.
Bill
| Bill | Day: 21
Pat,
Sorry, file was too large and my mail server would'nt send it.
I'm sending just the pics first and then one email for each
mpeg. Hopefully that will work. Sent them to Pat@Banyantrees.net,
is that correct? Hope so.
| Oh Bill; | Day: 21
Click on Tools in the menu bar, click on the %-button, a dialog box appears where you can appraise the weight of the email in question. Then; go for ôsendö, fill in the number of how many percent of the email you wanna send, for example 36%...
Good luck,
C
| Clas @ Work | Day: 21
Lisa G - that G Duke line "...education..." well, I don't know what you mean. He was talking about, I guess; people are going for fast money and don't feel the need to educate themselves, probably as musicians, though he was talking about Rap.
Profiler - well put.
| Bill | Day: 21
St. Al,
Actually it's lookin' like that email might take QUITE a while
to download as it's been sending it now for like a couple of
minutes. If it turns out to be a hassle to download let me
know and i'll send you a little of it at a time. I think the
pics and mpegs are worth the wait though.
seeya...
| Bill | Day: 21
St. Al,
That email I sent you will take a while to download.
It's full of pics and mpegs and whatever so just be patient ok?
Night...
| Bill\Rockin' with Sir Paul! | Day: 21
Hey Y'all,
Just got back from the Paul McCartney concert about an hour ago.
Sir Paul rocks! Was able to obtain some pics and a few short
mpegs of the affair (although sound quality is bad).
Having never seen Paul in concert before I was'nt sure what
to expect but he turned out to be just excellent. Did alot
of Beatles songs, some Wings stuff, and a couple off his new
album as well as "freedom". What a night, everyone left with
big smiles on thier faces.
St. AL check your email...
"Ralph" from Astoria, Queens....You Rock! (Guy who sat next to us)
Night All!
| | Day: 21
Angier's Wager? Race schizophrenia at the New York Times
By Steve Sailer
"All I know is what I read in the papers," said Will Rogers. He'd get intellectual whiplash reading the New York Times' coverage of race and genes. The flood of new data on race is exposing the fundamental conflict between the Times? two roles: newspaper of record and high priestess of political correctness.
The Times' reporters keep piling up facts showing that race and genes are terribly important. The Times' pundits respond by torturing logic to reassure their readers that "the standard labels used to distinguish people by 'race' have little or no biological meaning."
For example, the NYT devoted much of the summer to saturation reporting on the Human Genome Project [http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/genome-index.html]. So heredity sure does matter, right?
Further, the Times ran an interminable 15 part series on "How Race Is Lived." Despite their political correctness, it succeeded only in confirming in exhausting detail most of the common stereotypes about the differences between blacks and whites. In the profile of two rival Army sergeants, for instance, the white one is smarter, but the black one has more masculine charisma, and thus is a better leader of men. (The one article definitely worth reading -- "At a slaughterhouse, some things never die" -- is, not surprisingly, one of the few that notices that there are more than two races in America. It documents the disastrous impact that illegal Mexican immigrants in North Carolina are having on African-American butchers. http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/race/061600leduff-meat.html) Apparently, race is pervasively important, no?
But meanwhile the Times' opinionizers have been desperately telling us that Race Is Meaningless. The Times recently ran a second laudatory review of population geneticist L.L. Cavalli-Sforza's Genes, Peoples, and Languages. [http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/08/20/reviews/000820.20ridleyt.html] This one was by leftwing English evolutionary pundit Mark Ridley (who, by the way, is not rightwing English evolutionary pundit Matt Ridley, author of Genome http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060194979/vdare. Like the previous Times' review, Mark Ridley praises Cavalli-Sforza for both
A. Using "genetic differences among people from various places to reconstruct the 'tree' of human evolution: a branching diagram of relations among different populations."
B. "Exploding the theory that races are genetically distinct."
To his credit, Ridley vaguely senses that there might be a bit of a contradiction here. But, being the kind of politically-acceptable poobah who gets invited to review books for the New York Times, Ridley assumes that this inconsistency casts some doubt on Cavalli-Sforza's half-century of scientific work on racial differences - rather than on the "No Races" boilerplate that Cavalli-Sforza shoves into all his books to keep from being lynched by the likes of, well, the New York Times. (My VDARE review of Cavalli-Sforza's two-faced book is at http://www.vdare.com/sailer_may_24.htm).
The Times' top human sciences essayist, Natalie Angier, then repeated Ridley's contention that racial differences are only "skin-deep" in a long article entitled "Do Races Differ? Not Really, DNA Shows." [http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/082200sci-genetics-race.html]
Angier simply recycles all the tired clichTs that I refuted last spring in "Seven Dumb Ideas about Race" [http://www.vdare.com/cavalli-sforza_ii.htm]. For example, she writes: "[Scientists] say that while it may seem easy to tell at a glance whether a person is Caucasian, African or Asian, the ease dissolves when one probes beneath surface characteristics and scans the genome for DNA hallmarks of 'race.'"
This is balderdash. Far from confusing racial identifications, the new genetic analyses allow forensic anthropologists to pinpoint the racial origin of DNA samples left at crime scenes with revolutionary accuracy.
Yet, even before the invention of DNA tests, physical anthropologists had little trouble determining the race of skeletons. Dr. George W. Gill of the U. of Wyoming told the PBS series Nova: "The idea that race is 'only skin deep' is simply not true, as any experienced forensic anthropologist will affirm... I have been able to prove to myself over the years, in actual legal cases, that I am more accurate at assessing race from skeletal remains than from looking at living people standing before me."
When white people like Ridley and Angier assert that racial differences are only skin-deep, they are merely demonstrating that they don't respect people of other races enough to look at them carefully. White liberals tend to ethnocentrically assume that other peoples are merely white liberals with different colored skins. African Americans are far more conscious of other common racial differences - in skulls, buttocks, muscularity, and general skeletal proportions.
And they're right. Recall the last time you met an African American albino. With skin color held constant, the underlying physical differences among the races are especially vivid.
It's easy to dupe laymen about something as esoteric as genetics. So let's reduce the controversy to the concrete.
Would Ms. Angier care to wager a sizable amount against me on the racial results of the upcoming Olympics? Since she claims to believe that racial groups don't really differ, she should be perfectly happy to place her bets by random racial quota. In other words, she should be content to bet on, say, a Mexican winning the 100m dash, a Samoan triumphing in the marathon, and so forth.
In contrast, I'll bet by race: East Africans, especially members of the amazing Kalenjin tribe of Kenya, will dominate distance running. People of West African descent will rule sprints, hurdles, long jump, and basketball. Southeast Asians will do best in sports like badminton that require quickness rather than brute strength, etc.
Ready to put your money where your mouth is, Natalie?
Steve Sailer [http://www.iSteve.com] is president of the Human Biodiversity Institute and Adjunct Fellow of the Hudson Institute.
| back to work | Day: 21
especially
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NADH
| ╡ | Day: 21
Molly: No offense taken - black cows around here are usually on a dairy farm or occasionally at Swensen's...
Blank: Brer Rabbit should have it so easy...There are estimated over 50,000 genes in our genome identified with more to come...so 1.3% is a lot of genes, espciallu if they are important
Genes are categorized (I hope this is very close since it is from the top of my head) as:
(1) Structural: genes that code for proteins that are commonly found in tissues. For example, myosin is the most common protein in muscles, and collagen is the primary protein in connective tissue. Enzymes involved in metabolism or photosynthesis are included. These make up the majority of genes and are common across most animal and plant species. For example, the citric acid cycle is a metabolic pathway of enzymes (proteins that catalyze reactions) that metabolizes carbohydrate, fat, and protein and passes reducing equivalents (NADG and FADH) to the electron transport chain where oxygen is consumed producing CO2 and H2O. Plants use the very same proteins but simply reverse the process taking CO2 and H20 and building carbohydrate and protein structures while emiting O2...many stuctural genes are common among mammals, but can be different than used among say invertebrate animals...
(2) Housekeeping: genes that help to control normal function and complex pathways, or growth or development. Nitric oxide synthase for example helps to control blood flow and brain function and control of growth. These are critical in determining uniqueness of species...
(3) Luxury: genes that code for color, appearance, etc. like melanin...nature has to have some fun, too...
The difference between humans and chimps a critical mass of Housekeeping genes that determine brain function. The difference among the human genome is a miniscule number of Luxury genes. Indeed, there are greater differences among different locations in Africa than between say Ethiopia and Albania...and don't get me started on Micronesia...
One could argue that your thought patterns reflect critical similarities to structural genes and material properties shared with the rubber tree: dense, elastic and resistant to change, impervious to penetrating loads or logic...
| Lisa G | Day: 21
Thanks for the chat Aja, dif (always a pleasure Paisan), Jive M, and Guestie a. We should do it again sometime, except without so many tissues.
A-choo!
LG
| Was in chat... | Day: 21
Jim, sorry I couldn't communicate, my keyboard was typing in Swahili again. Will try again if you'll come back.
Lisa G
| Aja.............................and now onto something Steely | Day: 21
Molly-hell no girl, you didn't offend with your comment. I just have a different interpretation, that's all. I do think the black cow referred to in the song is the drink. I think the singer has had to piece together his relationship for the umpteenth time and is finally throwing in the towel, telling his runaround girlfriend that he can't cry anymore, he's through, finish your drink and just leave. He's tried to make it work, tried to understand her (I'm the one who must make everything right, talk it out till daylight). The line "you should know how all the pros play the game" is him saying she runs around so much she's one step from being a hooker. My take, anyway.
Aja
| Chips | Day: 21
Ha! First, I get booted, now I am copied!
Whatta board, you people!
So, what's the topic again?
The influence of the Ramones on the anti-80's?...
| W1P | Day: 21
Robert Bradley's Blackwater Surprise -- 4/26/02 @ the Century Ballroom, Seattle
| W1P | Day: 21
Robert Bradley's Blackwater Surprise is worth the price of admission -- what a trip! I met former NBA player Mark Acres at the Which One's Pink? earthday show yesterday in Manhattan Beach -- he's a dyed in the wool W1P fan now! PS, I'm a laywer.
| NotYourChips | Day: 21
Dear, God...and to think I could have been at the Ramones site instead of reading this poor-excuse-for-an-argument.
Your friend,
Anony Balls
| Profiler | Day: 21
NYBillyGoat: wrote: "Ahem...
Excuse me ladies and gentleman but if you will kindly turn your
attention to post 1924 you will see that I have already declared
myself the winner of the last argument and have now moved on
to a new subject."
1. Talk about pompous and stuck-up; Declaring yourself "winner" of the argument. Wow.
2. Court Millionaire: What does that mean?
3. Throne in the Hamptons: Hardly. But it is a nice get away to have.
4. Casting dispersions: Really? When? Where? Point to the truth and prove me wrong here man.
5. Travelling the world in search for the next good time: Since when was that a felony? Jealous 'cause you can't do it? I live life to the fullest Billy boy....as everyone else should also do.
6. Egalitarian: Was that the word you really meant to post? Because it hardly makes sense. Affirming political, economic and social equality for all is a noble pursuit. So, if your aim was to slam me, you should have used a differnt word Billy. Don't use big words for the sake of trying to sound intelligent and have the meaning of that word backfire on you, you dumb ass!
7. Dumb: I'll gladly put my IQ scores against yours any day Billy. Now run to bed and try not to wet it.
Love,
:0)
| Molly | Day: 21
Sorry about the "life" comment,I can get catty at times.lol.Everyone I stand corrected!
Moreover...if you want to post me either as criticism or otherwise.Have the balls to put your name with your message.
| Bill | Day: 21
Ahem...
Excuse me ladies and gentleman but if you will kindly turn your
attention to post 1924 you will see that I have already declared
myself the winner of the last argument and have now moved on
to a new subject.
The new subject is...
WAS GETTING INTO THE MUSIC BUSINESS HARDER IN YEARS PAST?
So if you pains in the asses will kindly turn your attention
to the new subject it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You.
:)
| Glad to have a life, too | Day: 21
Gosh, Molly, just because someone has seen "The Making of Aja," does not mean they don't have a life. Chill, girl. You don't need to keep on about being busy. We get that. We all are busy with life.
Sure is shootin' it stinks when someone accuses someone else of being racist when that's the farthest thing from the truth. Can't even mention certain attributes about people without someone always wondering why that was said. This world can really suck, sometimes.
| Molly and another thing... | Day: 21
7 of the 10 juvenile delinquents that i'm caring for at this time are black or of mixed race.I treat them as if they were my children.I love each one of them in their own unique way.You can spare me all of your P.C. rhetoric.You got me about the documentary..I haven't seen it.I guess I was too busy having a life.
Everyone's gone to the movies is about a pedophile.Any child molesters out there offended,step on up.
| Gina | Day: 21
Great assessment of the PMG there, Lisa G!
Interesting to learn about Bona in the PMG chemistry, although it feels kinda logical, given the extra-terrastrial feel, the spirits kinda feel in their musical history, influences, experience and recordings. I would have LOVED to be there :-)
Just watched a documentary about the history of tapdance, its roots and acclaimed sources. Is it black, is it white, is it a mixture, a blend?
The film took the viewer back to the English and Irish before they sailed the seas to set foot on the New World. Clogdancing, folkdancing. Irish claim it then was developed in the Appalaches, and it was real cool to see the Irish-descendant clogdancer named Ira Bernstein (some more mixing and blending along his bloodline!) tell this part of tapdance history ..
Very nice to see the connection with the evolvement of jazzmusic, the syncopated movements of the feet and all ... and sadly enough the suppression of black tapdancers who might have been as good or even better than either Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly, but it was like that in those days and earlier ... the 1920-ies ...
Very very cool to see nowadays tapdancers, who mix hip-hop with tapdance and have conjured new moves as they simply started to dance and do whatever their bodies made them do.
Black and white, hispanic and east-european.
Which brings me back to the quote of mr. Duke regarding education and Bill's remark about a "lower class". Education isn't as much as being a scholared human, education is as much as having the intelligence and willingness to learn as we proceed in life. Knowledge can also work as a filter, so any observation may be pre-colored with information based on that knowlegde instead of listening to intuition as well as instinct, plainly stated, gut feeling.
Whether the state of purity is at demand here, that's a subjective angle not up for discussion i guess. Also i tend to believe, education is a mass-experienced privilege taken for granted a lot. Especially in younger years many don't care for what is taught during classes at school. One copies the information to reproduce during examinations and that's it. School systems here have 50% of that kind of education along with assignments one has to use his or her own ability to think and find a solution or see the connections in situations or hypothetical cases. It's fifty-fifty and the odds one can pass and move on is fairly secured. That's how the system works. That's what society wants.
What was education about like three centuries ago, or way before that? We learn stuff and than 50 years later what we thought was true, changed. There is basic knowledge about biology, chemistry, mathematics etc. But mankind moves forward or should i say, INwards. Disecting every detail of our DNA, create mass-cholesterol anxiety or whatever other defect in man's anatomy and chemical substances or heritage by birth and breed. And opposite to that, there's a mass-ignorance about using the wealth of history in any fields we operate, professionally or in the comfort of our homes.
A lot is marked by making use of systems. Journalism for example. There are certain ground-rules journalist students are being taught at school. They assemble lots of facts by cutting up newspapers and magazines on certain subjects in order to write their assignments. They have techniques how to talk to people and what questions to ask. And when they finally do get to talk to people, they have their minds cluttered up with all those facts already given in print. Written by other journalists who might have done the same etc etc.
This produces something that could easily slide into mediocre tendencies so it all looks the same, reads the same way and they don't know it until they get some sort of wake-up call one day. Or feel that nagging frustration surface that makes them finally scream and struggle for their own voice of distinction. I saw that happen to some young journalists. Trapped in a school-system and then fighting to get out.
I don't know. Just thinking out loud here i guess. Education by a system, books or by life itself? The lower class Bill was referring to .. he was talking about young people and rap, those who live in ghetto's and projects or suburbs even. To them life is the way it is, some struggle to get out, some don't know how or why. But to look at people as being lower class ... i am not above that either, although i wouldn't use the words lower class. i judge and condemn just the same, as you go by your own standards of quality and merit and conviction. Some know how to express themselves, some don't. Some found a way to be in control of their own lives, some don't and can't. There's all kinds of people out there. Some change because their position in society changes, they become successful, earn a lot of money and do whatever comes with that territory. Others do well, others have to make ends meet and some don't know there are even ends that can meet ...
For us it's still luxury to be able to debate and discuss these matters. Others are LIVING or SURVIVING it. It's all humbling in a way and i feel that's a good thing.
Education whereas it comes to music ... could it be the easy money kind of music, making use of modern technology editing sampled beats and all without ever having listened or heard of songs from the Beatles or The Anita Kerr singers or Bach etc ... lack of education, lack of rudimental layers providing interest in certain fields that make some people real artists, crafted, skilled other than names disappearing in a blur ... there are zillions out there. We named many names from the 80-ies. They had and have their meaning, some for a while and not in the long run. Should it always be for the long run, does that make it qualified as beyond mediocre ... or is it okay for something to be in the picture for a while only, cuz that's the way life is. It goes on, whatever happens or not. Do things fade like the rest of this planet fades in time, we die as well, we become dust or donors for transplantations or we are being used for scientific purposes. Or we are born again, perhaps.
It's a tricky thing, isn't it? Education. I'm not sure yet whether the words "lower class" is as clearly defined as in having an opposite like "higher class" for the ranking is done in a way which in the animal world often is natural ... the structure, the hierarchy within a group. Only there it's much simpler.
But it is clear who uses the vocabulary in a way Bill did, it doesn't feel good. And it proves we may consider ourselves educated in whatever way we came to, by life, by college, by books or capacities of our minds ... We don't live in projects, or ghetto's, or such. We don't feel deprived, or misfortunate, or misunderstood. Rap is also a language and a sign of the time in which rap grew as a tool for communication and for people to express themselves. Maybe not as articulate. But it does bring comfort and a sense of being someone who matters to those who enjoy it, who listen to it, who might live it and feel they're understood. I am putting this in the exact black n white space as Bill put it. Rap as music from the streets, for people from the streets. We all know there's a wider audience than that. Even Eminem now seems to have some sort of meaning to me :-)
Rap is tapdance with the tongue.
A way of expression. Something that came from within.
A need from within. To give life some meaning and color.
So people can feel good and not alone.
Doesn't look like lower class to me at all.
Done ranting and thinking out loud.
Sorry, still blurry. I know.
G.
| Bill | Day: 21
Off to catch the Paul McCartney concert at Nassau Colesium at
8pm, should be fun. If able to get pics or mpeg's will email
them to anyone who wants.
Now...who am I supposed to tick off today.....Oh yeah, Profiler.
Profiler,
I thought Aja was a lawyer, I mean she certainly sounded like one.
My apologies to Aja for referring to her as one of those things.
Anyway, the value you add to this guestbook is being the pompous,
stuck-up, court millionaire who sits upon his throne out in the
Hamptons and casts dipersions at anyone who disagrees with his
view of the world. You constantly make me shake my head in
disbelief when I realize that you're a grown man with horribly
egalitarian ideas who is also morally bankrupt (but you're a lawyer
so that goes without saying...) and unabashedly dumb.
So keep exposing yourself and making us all nod off to sleep with
your constant stories of traveling the world in search of your
next good time. Bite Me.
Oh and please feel free to misconstrue everything I say as you
run all my posts through the twisted P.C. prism that you call
a mind.
I am Archie Bunker hear me roar, in numbers too big to ignore....
hehehe.....
| Steve Dallas | Day: 21
Yes, Molly, and the earth isn't round either. It's shaped like a burrito.
| Black Cow | Day: 21
Actually, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, in "The Making of Aja," Don and Walt (mostly Don) interpret the story as being about its most obvious self. Nothing inbetween the lines about a black prostitute. But I'm sure everyone's entitled to their own take.
Everyone's gone to the movies, too.
| Molly | Day: 21
Mu,Aja, didn't mean to offend....Black Cow is about a black prostitute.How all the "pros" play the game...What game do you think he's referring to?basketball?Becker and Fagen use a lot of analogies and symbols in their songs..Sorry to ruffle your feelings..but I don't think the "black cow" he's referring to is the drink.As for Babylon Sisters, again I was going by the lyrics..."Turn that jungle music down" doesn't usually go with someone from middle east...As far as I know there aren't too many jungles in Iraq.Many of the black friends that I have refer to a beautiful black lady I know as being of Nubian origin.The word "Sisters" was not used commonly by white America when Babylon Sisters was written.But hey, none of us are as smart as you right?
I believe prejudice is wrong.My parents taught me better,and I wouldn't hurt anyone's feelings by some thoughtless comment I made in passing.But having an erotic preference does not make one prejudiced.I was merely making an observation.Again sorry if I offended anyone.
| | Day: 21
¦ - Thank you for making my point.
| Aja.........peering in to the monkey house | Day: 21
Profiler-yes, I figured you were, and a credit to your profession. Love your way with words.....
Aja
| ╡ | Day: 21
Blank: It's 1.3% and did you know you share 50% of your DNA with a rubber tree?...
| | Day: 21
¦ - There's only a 4% difference between the DNA of humans and chimps. A little bit goes a long, long way.
| Profiler | Day: 21
Aja: "And you are....?"
A friend. Not a foe. Oh yes, and a lawyer too.
:0)
| Aja | Day: 21
that was directed at the anon, not Profiler
| Aja | Day: 21
and you are....?
| Profiler | Day: 21
NYBill: You wrote: "Aja and Profiler,
Besides being lawyers (which in itself is bad enough...) you
are also a couple of schmucks. First of all, the police do
not need "probable cause" to watch someone."
1. Aja is not a lawyer. Get your facts straight before you start spouting off you dumb ass.
2. You're the schmuck. Scroll back and READ what I wrote. I NEVER wrote that law enforcement needs p.c. (probable cause) to observe someone. That would obviate the need for cops in the first place. Besides there are other concepts like Plain View doctrine that negate the p.c. standard.
Its painfully clear that you're chomping at the bit to expose yourself more and more as the asshole you really are. The "value" you add to this guestbook can be boiled down to you being the court jerkoff and providing highly entertaining reading for those who shake their heads in disbelief when they realize you're a grown man with horribly outdated ideas, morally bankrupt status, and unabashedly bigoted. So go ahead and keep exposing yourself and making all of us laugh.
By the way, the argument you wrote you "won"? You didn't win shit dipstick. Try again tomorrow.
:0)
| I want to know........ | Day: 21
Aja- Why weren't you at the Steely Damned show in San Diego a few weeks ago?
| ╡ | Day: 21
Aja: Well said...
| Gina@BLACK Power Macintosh 5500/275 | Day: 20
aloha Clas, we meet again :-)
well .. if St.Al could enable sound in here, i'd suggest the first take on top of the list in the section SOUNDS (or any of the others .. the one about the aspirine is very very lol lol ...) right after Bill posts a message here ...
oh i love these Banyan Trees as well, sigh :-)
Banyan Tree Sign In Stranger Ain't Strange Enough Bow,
G.
| Clas @ Work | Day: 20
Aussie - ôThe racist angle doesn't apply especially when we see rap music coming from countries like Sweden, Germany, etcetera.ö
Well, you know, people who's into rap are mostly in the lower levels in society, and, those who are into rap ARE black people in Sweden and Germany etc etc... but I wouldn't say it's a race issue, more a class-issue.
AND reading Mu/Bills thoughts on the middle east just confirms the fact that Middle Class Gringos are victims of a giant media-scam, close to brainwash (which European journalists often points out). USA supports Israel, why? Because US government are under heavy pressure from the Jewish Lobbying.
C
| | Day: 20
One marvels that a creed widely doubted in private, unsupported by evidence, and manifestly incorrect, can become compulsory in a society, shape its policy, and arouse furious support. Radical egalitarianism is such a creed -- the notion that people, both individually and in groups, are born equal and, preferably, identical. It would then follow that all differences arise from nurture.
What if they don't?
As a matter of daily experience we observe that some individuals are bigger, smarter, better athletes, superior artists, better singers. It isn't all nurture: Raise me as Michael Jordan was raised, and I would still be short and slow. We also observe that some groups consistently excel others. We pretend otherwise because the penalties for not pretending are severe. Most of us know we are pretending.
There is at the University of Western Ontario a scholar named J. Philippe Rushton, much in disrepute among the clergy of nurturism. He is a sociobiologist, a member of an outcast class holding that much of behavior is biologically shaped. His book, Race, Evolution, and Behavior, is intensely reviled among the keepers of proper thought.* It purports to describe and explain differences in intelligence and behavior among races. This we must never, ever do.
I don't give it blanket endorsement, but its central thrust is sufficiently in accord with daily experience as to be worth pondering. In outline:
The IQ of East Asians (Koreans, Chinese, Japanese) is about 106, of Eurowhites 100, "blacks" in America 85, blacks in Africa 70. He does not in the book deal with Jews, but Ashkenazi Jews average 115. The East Asians have a particular advantage in mathematics.
Why?
The moment one recites the statistics, frantic counterarguments arise. Race doesn't exist or, contradictorily, isn't important. Intelligence doesn't exist, can't be defined, or can't be measured. Tests are biased. In short, anything that gives an undesired answer undergoes summary rejection.
Now, readers may reach such conclusions as they think best. But allow me two questions and an assertion. The first question: Do you not know some people who are unquestionably smarter than some others? The second question: Given that races demonstrably differ in appearance, size, bodily proportions, biochemistry, brain size, and a thousand other things, is there any obvious reason why they should not vary in intelligence? In behavior?
The assertion: The people who devise tests of intelligence, as anyone may discover by reading, are neither fools, nor bigots, nor unaware of the problems of testing. Dismiss them only after much reading and careful thought.
The thesis of the sociobiologists is as follows: Men evolved about 200,000 years ago in Africa. Some migrated to Europe about 100,000 years ago and, then being in genetic isolation from Africa, evolved into the Caucasian race. Roughly 40,000 years ago some of the Caucasians migrated to Asia and, in genetic isolation, evolved into East Asians.
Life in northern Europe, runs the argument, was far more difficult than it had been in Africa because of, if nothing else, harsh winters. Survival required not just the intelligence to keep warm but also cooperation, forethought, planning, and cohesion. The people who would become East Asians, living in still more difficult conditions, needed more of these qualities. Those who survived had them.
This may be true. It may not. In evolutionary circles, plausibility trades as evidence. Yet it fits.
Says Rushton, on the basis of many years of research, there exists a clear gradient in many things from yellow to white to black. Asians have somewhat larger brains than whites who have substantially larger brains than blacks. Measured aggressiveness follows the same pattern of a small gap between yellow and white and a larger gap between white and black. The pattern applies for other characteristics: East Asians are lowest in testosterone levels, latest in entering puberty, lowest in size of genitals, degree of criminality, sex drive, rates of fertility, rates of divorce and promiscuity. Blacks are at the other extreme, with whites falling between.
Rushton is no fool. He knows that some of these things are influenced by variables other than the innate. He knows the pitfalls in cross-cultural measurement. Yet, he asserts, the pattern remains. In the United States, for example, crime is very low among East Asians, academic performance very high, divorce rare, families small.
In short, his thesis is that while environment obviously matters in determining outcomes, our capacities and behavior are very much influenced by genetics. The idea is not new, merely forbidden. Rushton et al however make a careful evidentiary case that is not easily ignored, unless you have determined in advance to ignore it.
Nurturists disagree with the sociobiologists. Behavior that seems racial, they argue, is in fact determined by culture. The question is tricky. Culture may itself be to a considerable extent the expression of biology. If East Asians are by nature less aggressive than whites, perhaps because of lower levels of testosterone, one would expect the lack of aggressiveness to be embodied in the culture. That is, naturally quiet people will raise their children to be quiet and be inclined to value courtesy. The nurturist can then say, "Aha! Just as I thought. Socially ingrained." Maybe. Maybe not.
A shift in the intellectual climate seems to be in the offing. Increasingly we see a clash between the compulsory view that we are all identical at birth, which would happily allow the eradication of various inequalities and of crime; and the quietly held but growing recognition that if we are inherently different, as seems to be the case, we will unavoidably have different results.
The question cannot easily be studied. The nurturists are politically in the saddle, and so research into racial differences is verboten. One may ask, of course: Why do the correct fear investigation, unless they know, or suspect, that they are wrong? It is assuredly true that, in the past, theories of racial superiority have often emanated from virulent nationalists who have sought to place their own stock at the top of the heap. The inevitable comparison is with Hitler, a dark squatty little thing convinced of the superiority of blonde Aryan supermen.
In Rushton's case we are dealing with something else. A white Canadian who believes in yellow supremacy is hardly aggrandizing himself. I am myself a purebred Euro-mongrel without known trace of Asian or Jewish ancestry. I'd like to regard Scots/English/Huguenot cocktails as the pinnacle of civilization, and those in cowboy hats as the better of the best. I don't see the evidence. Rushton's gradient accords with my observations whether I like it or not. Perhaps we had better get used to Chinese mathematicians.
| Bill | Day: 20
Yes Pat, and you said that I made "misogynist" statements.
What the hell is "misogynecology" anyway?
| StAlphonzo | Day: 20
Wow -- I see Bill is still showing his ass. Mu's politics are still twisted. YGK still hates Bill. Only anomaly so far is Clas hasn't pissed anyone off lately. God I love this place.
Mu: In answer to your question. Yes, if you created that digital image as you described and decided to call it art, I suppose it would be. Once again I ask who is the judge -- where is the line drawn? Warhol is considered by many to be one of the greatest, but some of his most famous works are flat out plagiarism. But the beauty of Warhol is he took these images and turned them into something uniquely him. Rap music and sampling can do the very same thing. I guess it will always depend on perspective.
Bill: This is where I chose to not engage you. This subject can get real ugly, real fast. Suffice to say I hope you can find middle ground on some of your viewpoints.
W1P: How was Robert Bradley? Another great band. Like Steppenwolf meets John Lee Hooker. I love 'em.
Also, Bill, G. Love and Special Sauce is another great band. There is a lot of great stuff out there. The problem is you never hear it on the radio. Although KMTT has been playing almost all these bands since the beginning, but I think you people living in the larger radio markets have it tougher.
| Bill | Day: 20
Mu,
You can't get good pizza in the middle east, that's why :)
About the Isreal/Palastinian thing, the Isreali's are doing
the right thing. How long are they supposed to put up with
this suicide bombing stuff anyway. They should kick ass and
take names just like we do. We get attacked and we immediately
head over to Afghanistan and obliterate the place. Isreal gets
bombed continuosly and they're not supposed to do anything?
Fuck that.
Isreal represents maybe 10 percent of the entire middle east.
The palestinians have numerous fellow-Arab contries who are
more than willing to take them in. Why the hell can't they
let the Jews have that worthless piece of sand anyway?
This has nothing to do with land. The Arabs hate the Jews.
They have a twisted religious philosophy that entitles them
to kill anyone they consider to be an infidel. The Jews
(and us) are considered infidels. End of story. The fighting
wont stop even if a land deal is reached because it's a
religious thing not a land thing.
Here's my question...
People who don't have money don't buy weapons. Why do we
continue to buy oil from the Arab countries knowing that
we are feeding a monster when we do it? The same goes for
China. Our cars, planes, and electrical power plants can
just as easily burn alcohol as they can oil or gas.
Actually, the unit per molecule of energy for alcohol is
almost twice that of gasoline. Not only would your car
run on alcohol, it would run better! You dont have to explore
for alcohol, you dont have to drill for it, you don't have to
refine it. It's easy to make. People made "bathtub gin" at
home during prohibition. Alcohol burns extremely clean and is
made from a renewable resource (Corn, grain, and other plants).
Why are we not using alcohol instead of fossil fuels?
That's a question for our illustrious leaders and the oil
dudes on wall street. Are we going to keep feeding money
to those Arab psychotics until they decide to use nuclear
weapons instead of airplanes?
Someone ask G-Dubya...
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camp
| ╡ | Day: 20
Here's something scary... There is evidence in both the left and right wing media for Osama recruiting skinheads and other extreme right wing whackos to joint his team over the last decade. I've even seen some independent reports that Terry Nichols visited an Al Qaeda training in the Phillipines...
Bill...exactly what ARE you doing in NY ;-0
I've noticed you type with a middle-eastern accent...
http://uk.geocities.com/johnathanrgalt/Osamas_New_Recruits.html
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/hoffman5.htm
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22122
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22684
| ╡ | Day: 20
simply = suffest
| ╡ | Day: 20
Eye yi yi: Nope. Profiler is not me.
"As I said, the police do NOT need "probable cause" to watch
someone more closely. They need "probable cause" to stop
you and search you."
you bet - and/or a warrant to arrest someone...
Bill, you finally may have a point...
The Justice is correct...
The British also came down hard on Indian immigrants (are they called "colored" there?) and of course the Irish for many Centuries, but that does not justify the IRA...I believe Northern Ireland should be free or merged with the country of Ireland, but I would NEVER suffest handing it over to the head of the IRA...Arafat had plenty of opportunity under Barak and Peres to make peace and get >98% of the West BanK. Arafat does not want peace as he has no clue as to how to run a country, only to kill women and children, and now his people are paying for it...he blew it. Clearly the man cares nothing for his people's welfare...
On the other hand , I simply cannot understand why Sharon thought that retaliation was a military strategy. The recent strategy to crush the terrorist network in the West Bank was the first thing that made sense (though frightening to W and Powell who would like to build a coalition against Iraq), but the execution has been misguided and tragic. Once the Israelis knew the location of the builiding where Arafat was hiding his cowardly body, why not blow up the damn thing (and maybe get Geraldo to boot)?..and send a message to Hamas and others that this will happen to you - rather than continuing to exacerbate a situation that is starving and killing civilians...It takes a network of over 50 people to have one teenage boy sacrifice himself while his parents are paid off by Arafat...
It is interesting and sadly ironic to note when hard-liner Netanhayu was Prime Minister, there were very few suicide bombings...
| hehehe... | Day: 20
Tom you're such a card.
| Tom Metzger | Day: 20
Bill-you are a specially enlightened person who obviously has a lot of time on thier hands. I would love to have you in this group I have. Please contact me at www.resist.com
| Bill | Day: 20
Ok, so I won that argument...
***************** NEXT SUBJECT ************************
Re: Was getting into the music business harder in years past?
Evey time I head over to my local Tower Records I see a
myriad of new CD's. Searching through all the avaliable
artist is an affair that can take hours. Besides all the
traditional bands of the past, there are an unbelievable
amount of obscure bands like "G. Love and Special Sauce",
"National Trust" and "Ultrapull".
There are so many bands today that it's hard to believe
that they can all get record contracts. I guess it's
much easier to get signed to a label today than when Don
and Walt did it. What do you think?
Molly,
No need to worry. This GB is like a family. We fight
like cats and dogs over certain subjects (subjects that
I'm usually right about) but in the end we are one family
in SD.
| Aja........................I know, I know | Day: 20
Let me put it language you can understand, Bill: it doesn't matter what the fuck statistics say, protecting civil liberties comes first. The rest of your "argument" is too illogical and premiseless to bother addressing.
Aja
| just when we were having an intelligent debate | Day: 20
stupidity and ignorance raises its ugly head................
| Bill | Day: 20
Aja and Profiler,
Besides being lawyers (which in itself is bad enough...) you
are also a couple of schmucks. First of all, the police do
not need "probable cause" to watch someone. Young black men
are not being stopped in thier cars, by and large, for doing
nothing. Statistical precedent causes the police (both white
and black officers) to cast greater scrutiny upon young black
males (see the statistics mentioned before). Aja seeks to
nullify the statistics (why do ulta bleeding-heart liberals
do this?) by offering unsubstantiated nonsense arguments
with no real basis in fact.
As I said, the police do NOT need "probable cause" to watch
someone more closely. They need "probable cause" to stop
you and search you. The police can watch you as closely as
they want. That's thier job, to observe and prevent crime.
Therefore, if I was a member of a racially profiled group
I simply would'nt do anything wrong, because if I did I
would be sure to be stopped for it. Having said that,
I would not be angry with the police for watching me closely.
I would be angry with the other assholes in my group who
are causing the police to watch me.
In conclusion, if a law enforcement official wants to stop
you and search you, you must give them "probable cause" for
doing so. Therefore, if you don't give them probable cause
then you wont be stopped and searched (not generally).
But if you insist on pushing the issue, by driving irratically,
or blasting your Rap music so loud it can be heard a block away,
then you're just giving the police what they need to stop you.
It's simple...behave yourself and you wont get fucked with,
don't behave yourself and you will.
Ultimately, when Gangsta-rappers change thier behavior the
statistics will change. When the statistics change this
subject will become a thing of the past.
When do you think that will happen?
| JusticeScalia | Day: 20
You're all wrong.
Cops only need reasonable suspicion to stop someone; drivers or pedestrians. probable cause relates more to the next possible step like a physical search, and is a higher standard of proof.
Preponderance of evidence, clear and convincing, etc,. doesn't come to play until the actual trial
Now leave me alone you heretics. I need to get an early start on my next commander-in-thief appointment
| All Seeing Eye | Day: 20
Profiler=mu?
AMEN, Molly!
| Molly still in Ky. | Day: 20
YGK what was I thinking !!!!of course you are right about music...I couldn't imagine life without it.Music is one of the few things that transcends us from other beasts...I'm having this mental image of the coyotes preying on one of their own...If you all would rather waste time arguing with bill then to be out enjoying this beautiful day,then by all means have at it.I have lost too many people that I've loved to squander my energy and time that way...
L.P.,Arlean, i'm sorry I have not written...I will try to do better lol.
Stevee, Hello as well...
again d.b. if you like please get in touch...i'd love to talk rocks with you :}
be peaceful and loving, M.
| Aja.......unplugging the Internet line so she can get something done | Day: 20
Profiler-I'm speaking in terms of constitutional ideals and how they apply to the racial profiling argument, not the many exceptions government has created since then-INS, IRS, etc.
And thanks, but "young lady" doesn't describe me-I'm well into middle age, and old enough to know not to take flattery seriously ;o)
Unplugging now!
Aja
| Profiler | Day: 20
Aja wrote: "Profiler-though probable cause allows officers to take investigatory actions, the standards of probable cause are much stricter than racial profiling. Even with probable cause, a preponderance of the evidence (the beyond a reasonable doubt standard) must be shown before anyone can be deprived of their civil liberties."
No. Wrong again. A preponderance of the evidence IS not the standard. Read up first on the legal concept of what probable cause is. Preponderance of the evidence is an inextricably mutually exclusive legal concept. Just use your Lexis/Nexis WestLaw software for case law on this. This is first year law schoool stuff. Moreover, you confused preponderance of the evidence principle with beyond a reasonable doubt standard....as well, those two are about as different as, say NYBill and a Black guy who is 26 years old.
good luck on your brief baby...love ya like a sistah!
:0)
| Profiler | Day: 20
Aja wrote: "Treating individuals who happen to to fit a certain profile as criminals by stopping them in cars, searching them, etc. regardless of their actions is a deprivation of their civil liberties and is NOT equal treatment under the law-it's treating them differently than other groups."
Wrong again. All you need to do is go to the website of the Immigration and Naturalization Service. They can, under the LAW, stop someone in their car for LOOKING a certain way. This is well established law. Like I tried to convey in my previous post, The INS (Immigration and Naturalization Service)is one of the few governmental agencies which can skirt around the issue of racial profiling beacuse they are guarding our borders against illegal immigrants. And Ed Beatty can easily weigh in here as well. I'm surprised you didn't know that Aja......having worked in the legal profession AND living in San Diego.
Outside the INS, then we can get into murky waters......the waters where NYBill swims effortlessly in blissful ignorance......
Oh, and Aja...don't confuse being wrong on the law with my genuine admiration for you as a terrific young lady worthy of all she fancies.
:0)
| Aja....................gotta get out of this discussion so I can finish the damn brief | Day: 20
Profiler-though probable cause allows officers to take investigatory actions, the standards of probable cause are much stricter than racial profiling. Even with probable cause, a preponderance of the evidence (the beyond a reasonable doubt standard) must be shown before anyone can be deprived of their civil liberties.
Alright, I'm going back to the 80's discussion so I can get this thing done!
Aja
| Aja.........................working on a sunny Saturday :-( | Day: 20
You're not understanding the point, Bill. Insurance companies don't deprive you of any rights by their profiling-you don't have a right to insurance, or low rates. However, everyone has a constitutional right to equal treatment under the law (in addition to the others I listed previously). Treating individuals who happen to to fit a certain profile as criminals by stopping them in cars, searching them, etc. regardless of their actions is a deprivation of their civil liberties and is NOT equal treatment under the law-it's treating them differently than other groups. Racial profiling makes the act of being the crime (being black in a white neighborhood) rather than the individual's action (e.g. burglary). Further, our system is clear that rights cannot be taken away without due process (steps that must be followed to ensure fairness) but racial profiling tosses due process out the window since it makes one guilty just by being-there is no need to prove anything except that you were black in a white neighborhood and are therefore suspect. Legal arguments aside, it is morally offensive to treat a decent, law-abiding individual as a potential criminal based on their ethnicity, what others of the same ethnicity have done, or anything else.
Back to writing my brief.
Aja
| Profiler | Day: 20
Aja wrote: "Our justice system ensures that someone cannot be deprived of their civil liberties for what they "might" do, only what they actually do, and this must be proven in a court of law. Racial profiling violates all these tenets and unfortunately, occurs regularly, and worse, is defended by the embarrassingly ignorant."
Incorrect on a multitude of levels. The concept of probable cause is based on the premise of what someone "might do"......furthermore, and Pink can weigh in on this, tips provided from an informant constitute enough probable cause for law enforcement to do Terry style pat downs and a variety of other constitutional infringing type behavior from police.
While racial profiling may snare many in its incredibly broad applications, it nonetheless is, prima facie, a violation of US citizens rights. The only agency I can think of that has a loop hole in the racial profiling problem is the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service.....and you certainly don't need me to explain why this should be kept as status quo....especially after September 11th, 2001.
Either way Aja, you get an A plus for trying to prove NYBill wrong. The man uses insurance stats to justify racial profiling...that is incredibly short sighted and indicates clearly an authentic lack of logic, not to mention a caring sense for humanity.
Bill's type is so predictable. He would have major problems just grasping the concept of chaos theory. Archie Bunker? You better bet the farm on it. That's him.....in all his racist slendor.
So NYBill, here's to you. And I wish, if you had a daughter, that she would bring a big strapping black buck home just to teach ya.
:0)
| send this moron to school!!!!!! | Day: 20
God bless his First Amendment rights, but it's THEIR, not thier, Billy-Bob!
| tones | Day: 20
"Statistically speaking, black males in
this age group have a much higher propensity to commit crime. This
is not my opinion, it is a statistical fact. Just Take a look at the
New York State Parole Board Website and see for yourself.
(HTTP://parole.state.ny.us.paroleedemo.html) You will see that
50% of A1 Violent Offenders are Afro-American. While Afro-Americans
only make up roughly 11 pecent of the population of the U.S., this
puts them in a much higher statistical group than say Asian men." - NYBill
"Facts just twist the truth around" - David Byrne
If those statistics were arrived at while *using* racial profiling, then you they don't mean anything. A few points:
1. If you are primarily looking at a specific group, you're only going to notice when that specific group messes up. And that specific group will be treated differently. Suppose two black guys were having a fight and the cops broke it up. More than likely they both would be taken to jail for public violence. It two white guys got into a fight and the cops came, they would most likely be told to break it up and go sleep it off. No report would be filed.
2. When a pattern of unfair treatment continues for generations and becomes institutionalized, the people - be they Blacks, Palistinians, the British underclass in the late 70's, or any group that is being treated unfairly - become angry. Anger begats violence. Violence is exactly what the profilers are looking for and thus they think "See, we wuz right." A truly "vicious" circle.
3. It's easy for you to sit there and type "up with racial profiling" when you've never been profiled racially. When they start sifting through obnoxious white men from New York named Bill I'm sure you'll be the first to complain.
Now dammit Bill, put the fuckin' lid back on the blender!
t
| z | Day: 20
LG- P.S.- GG was wrong about Howard Hanson composing any film scores, according to my fellow members of the B Herrmann Society.
They did borrow a bit of the last movement of the 2nd symphony (which GG conducted)for "Alien", but he was long gone by that time.
| z | Day: 20
I've been posting as Doctor Warren Kruger on some other, more appreciative of my genius, sites (even Jimmy Bruno, the jazz guitarist, appreciated my Dr. K. post), and one guy said that Doctor Warren Kruger was one of the guys that developed LSD, with the good Doctor Tim, of course. Anyone hear of this?
LG- I'll Email you my address- I still haven't finished analyzing "Georgia On My Mind" yet- GP was/is a pretty deep guy.
I don't like this talk in NJ of cutting school budgets- if they get rid of you, the Doctor and I will go on a firebombing mission- not that that would solve anything, but it would sure be a lot of fun.
Yes, that was me, defending Gilbert Sullivan, Minnie Ripperton, and the Capt. and Tenille. These people wrote and sang nice little pop tunes- sure some were cornier than the others, but are you seriously gonna compare them to the 3 chord wonders listed?
And while I'm fuming mad- Why the hell hasn't anyone listed LOVE's "Forever Changes" album in any of their lists?
Sure, it was from the mid 60s, but are you gonna pass up the chance to hear an African-American junkie who tripped on acid for one year straight, with a pseudo-British accent, with a falsetto voice, who wrote songs whose lyrics make absolutely no sense at all, yet were original in their melodic content, and was too paranoid to step out of LA, and whose band members served hard time for robbing Doughnut stands?
If you have enough money to buy "Bread's Greatest Hits" etc..., you damn well can afford "Forever Changes!
| Bill | Day: 20
Aja & Mu,
You may have a point on the individual right question but Aja's
assertion that the insurance industry isn't depriving the
younger person of anything is wrong. The fact is that no matter
what company that younger driver goes to he will pay a higher
rate. This is a form of systematic "profiling" which follows
that person no matter which company they go to or what state
they're in. I'm not saying that this is wrong, it's just a fact
of life. It makes statistical sense. It makes business sense.
I'm well aware of the constitutional implications of police
profiling. All I'm saying is that if all these gangsta rapper
lowlives would change thier tune and quit thier group behavior
then all young afro-american males would have an easier time of it.
And yet where are the voices from the afro-american community who
are speaking out against this violent gangsta rap stuff? Where are
they? On the other side of the coin we have white Phil Donahue-type
buttheads who are referring to it as "Art". Gimme a break...
Then again, if the Hollywood schmucks would lose thier facination
with the gutter and quit sticking thier cameras down into it every
2 seconds, maybe it would just go away. Think they will?
Let's hope so.
| ╡ | Day: 20
Sr.Al: Here's a better analogy than the Andy Warhol painting (copy by hand) for rap sampling. Say I take my digital camera and snap a picture of the Mona Lisa. I then take the digital file (i.e., digital sampling as rap artist do with recorded music) make a glossy print of the Mona Lisa picture, draw a moustache on her, and scribble a few lines. Is that art???????????
Bill: I lean right, but I'm certain you are mistaken. The Constitution protects *individual* rights, not group rights (i.e., corporate rights) except for the right to assemble (protest). Therefore, being arrested in one's car for DWB (Driving While Black - not Blake) is a violation of those rights...
| Steveedan | Day: 20
YGK - you are giving and taking a lot of heat here (and I don't mean up the arse ...)
You didn't get what I meant by informing you of Tori Amos' serious treatment of "Smells Like Teen Spirit". I believe that by default, a classical-music treatment of Nirvana tunes is a parody at best. It is sort of like a modern classical harmony class homework assignment ... and I am not sure that the student would recieve a passing grade for this effort.
Well, ... here's hoping for a little less literary angst around these here parts.
Steveedan
| | Day: 20
http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/News/04/20/body.staley/index.html
| FaceTheFace | Day: 20
Hmmm, interesting...
Rappers/Rap music: "fuck you I'm here, what are you going to do about it?"
Bill: "Fuck you I'm here, what are you going to do about it?"
| FaceTheFace | Day: 20
Bill, I would never try to get you to shut up, I enjoy most of what you write too much. But, when calling a spade a spade, be careful not to throw out wild cards which are easily trumped. Just making a point about how you are generalizing and profiling Rap and the people who create it.
If I'm "enlightened" then Al and I both should start running along with the rest of the lemmings.
| Meg Ryan | Day: 20
But we got nothing to be guilty of?
| Barbra | Day: 20
Make it a crime to be out in the cold. It oughta be illegal.
| | Day: 20
Yes Stevee, guilty as charged.
| Steveedan | Day: 20
Perhaps ... but you'll have to pay the Cover Charge.
Steveedan
| | Day: 20
Cover for Christ sake.
| Steveedan | Day: 20
Thank you Shark De Ville for the info on Joe Jackson's cover of King Of The World.
YGK - There is a different version of "Smells Like Teen Sprit". It is done by Tori Amos with just an acoustic piano and her voice. It is done like a quiet, sad little hymn. It's really different. I think that this version would fit in well with the classical treatment versions of Nirvana that you mentioned previously.
As far as rap music being or not being art, all I can add to this discussion is that there is a lot of music that I don't really like that much (though I will not specify it here). Even though I choose not to buy it, or listen to it much, I still want to know what it is all about. I will always pursue the desire to continue to expand my musical horizons, and as for the art question, calling something art does not really change the intrinsic value of what something is or its impact upon the public at large.
If you want to call something Art, then call it Art, just make sure that Art is OK with you using his name (groan !) ...
and from the amusing band 10 CC I leave you with the following quote:
Art for Art sake ... Money for God's sake.
Steveedan
| Oh yes... | Day: 19
...good points there, StAl and Face the Face.
A while I was afraid that this parody of an American-Apple-Pie-Bobby Browne would get away with murder.
C
| Clas @ Work | Day: 19
Well, when I went to my jog this morning... I thought it was going to be warm. But it turned out to be pretty cold, really. Then it began to cloud up, quite contrary to the weather forecast naturally. I wouldn't be surprised if it started to rain this afternoon.
| Duncan | Day: 19
I'm not low class.
| StAl | Day: 19
Bill: I'm thinking you're taking this a bit too personal. I don't think anyone really cares whether YOU accept Rap as an art form, even though by definition it is. To suggest otherwise is simply wrong. The point I've been trying to make is try to separate the 2 issues here. It is art in every sense of the word -- you just don't like it. No problem. Call it bad art, call it whatever, but still call it art.
However, when your start spouting off like some right-winged redneck, it's then you start to loose the argument. And you haven't lost the argument. To suggest that just because I support some of these artists, and I have a strong liberal bias, that I'm some sort of mindless PC who supports only what the ACLU tells me to support is ridiculous. In fact, anyone who knows me or has been around here long enough knows I'm only %&$#hair short of being as politically incorrect as you.
Also, as usual, you're painting a very broad stroke calling all rappers lowlifes. This is the very point I was trying to make earlier. There is some really good stuff out there by responsible artists. Sure, some of them do exactly as you say, but all I can say is thank god you're not in a position of power making decisions for the rest of us because I'd run far and fast if you were -- based on what you're saying.
Since you've been on this message board you've made a number of racist, misogynist statements. Most of this I choose to ignore -- sometimes it makes me laugh. However, I've noticed when it's when people (like me) are busting your balls these statements tend to come out more often. Is it true? Do you really believe all rappers are lowlifes? That their socialization is something they can easily discard just because they should know better by now?
We've had this "what is art" discussion before and it usually leads nowhere. I mean, I've often wondered what the hell people see in Campbell's Soup cans? To me this is no different than Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz sampling Steely Dan. But are you prepared to tell me that Warhol's adaptation of a fucking soup label isn't art?
Relax
| Bill | Day: 19
You're right Face, I don't have to accept it.
So why are you and your GB friends trying so hard to get me to
do so? Isn't that the way you so-called "enlighted" P.C. people
are? You go around ranting and raving about the 1st amendment
and free speech and at the same time try to silence anyone who
disagrees with the P.C. status quo.
Guess what Face, I'm not runnin' for office. I say what I feel
and screw the P.C. assholes who disagree. That makes me a man,
not some cowering milktoast who sits around waiting to be told
what to think by Barbara Striesand and Ed Asner and the like.
Think for yourself, if popular opinion is wrong then fuck
popular opinion. It's a concept called freedom, I kinda like it.
So, if you guys think that I'm going to accept Rap music as an
a legitimate artform in order to make a few Rap artists feel
better about themselves, then you're gonna have a LONG wait...
Tommorrow I'll be posting something on the concept of "Profiling"
which should piss you P.C. assholes off bigtime...stay tuned.
| FaceTheFace | Day: 19
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" - never a truer statement.
Never said they didn't perpetuate it Bill, or that you should support it.
Or even like it. It is one of those things that attacking doesn't change, just as it will not change a person if you attack them. Anything that is created is art - that is a definition, not an opinion.
Rap has it's redeeming qualities in the hands of the right artists. Will Smith described it best (he is one half of the duo which one the first Grammy for Rap) when he said it is used as an empowerment, a "fuck you I'm here, what are you going to do about it?" statement. Personally, I have to appreciate that in light of what I hear from some people who chose to denegrate based on racial or minority lines. Which, as we all know, is usually based in ignorance or fear - or both.
| Bill | Day: 19
Coy Pat...very coy...,
Did I mention race in my post? Of course not. Your knee-jerk
reaction to bring race into the issue is a common cowardly
ploy of ulta left-wing psycho's. With nothing left to base
thier argument on they resort to race baiting and name calling.
I would have thought you were above that. Not that the ultra
right-wing psychos are any better.
Sure, Rap is a form of art; Garbage Art.
Here are some other forms of "art"...
- A monkee throwing spaghetti sauce on the wall.
- Two dogs copulating in the mud.
- Someone using a home brain surgery kit.
Winton Marsalis was asked to comment on a popular so-called
"musician" once. This "musician" built his entire repertoir
off of the sampled sounds of other musicians. He said,
"Sure he's a musician, and I'm a basketball player, but
you would'nt want to see it."
Moral of the story. There are all kinds of art. Some good
some bad. Rap as an art form is hardly artistic.
It's junk art and nothing more...
Duncan,
The fact that you've been listening to Rap since 1984 says
volumes about your standards. The colorful ghetto language
you used to convey your disagreement places you in the
same class as the rap artists you adore...the low class.
Face,
Rap was "created by people whose lives are saturated by violence
and oppressive circumstances. Rappers speak of the life they
know..". Hold on, let me get my crying towel ok?
The fact is Face, people in the rap culture create the violence
and oppressive circumstances that they love to speak about.
Yes, they speak of the life they know. They would'nt have it
any other way. They ENJOY the life they speak of. If not
they would seek to get away from it, but even after these
lowlives become millionaires they continue to live the life
of violence and oppression. Which proves one thing... They
are lowlives... I don't support lowlives in any form.
In conclusion, the best art is art that elevates the human spirit.
I feel Steely Dan has done that to some degree. Snoop Doggy Dog
has not. Eminem has not. Busta Rhymes has not. RAP HAS NOT!
| ╡ | Day: 19
We all deplore the conditions, but that in itself does not determine whether rap is art or an art crime. The roots of the blues, ragtime, jazz, and reggae, which stand on their own musical merits, were created under tough environs, but much of classical music was created while the emporers' were trying on their new clothes...Furthermore, Miles Davis was the son of a wealthy physician from East St. Louis, IL...
If we continue to invert the logic that the harshness of conditions and not the work itself determine value to its end, then most of Steely Dan's work cannot be art because they are among the most expensive albums ever made...
Tracking down a rumor, supposedly by a Philly station, release of the Next One, of a Fall. In the meantime:
Take 6 Hopes Its 'Beautiful World' Will Heal Listeners
The six members of Take 6 say they spent more than a year putting together the uplifting, positive-message songs they had chosen for their brand-new album, titled Beautiful World. Among the tunes the Grammy-winning vocal ensemble tackles on the Marcus Miller-produced project are Sting's "Fragile," Stevie Wonder's "Love's In Need Of Love," Curtis Mayfield's "People Get Ready," the Doobie Brothers' "Takin' It To The Streets," and Bill Withers' "Lovely Day," and **"Beautiful World," which adapts part of Steely Dan member Donald Fagen's "I.G.Y."**
note: does this mean they owe $300,000 or a credit to Keith Jarrett? Y'know, I've listened to Keith's stuff. Is it just me, but if you listen long enough to Jarrett you'll hear the themes to every song ever written buried in code...
Saxophonist Mark Douthit To Open For Larry Carlton
Saxophonist and vocalist Mark Douthit has been asked to open for smooth jazz guitarist Larry Carlton on upcoming tour stops in Japan and the U.S.
"I'm thrilled that as this will this be my first visit to Japan. I'll have the opportunity to perform with Larry Carlton and other world-class musicians, and playing music that is so much fun," says Douthit.
The Nashville-based performer's new CD, Groove, bowed February 26 on the Hollsboro Jazz label. The first single, "Voice Of The Heart," was delivered to radio on February 11. That track features Douthit on soprano sax, while the rest of the album showcases him on tenor. The album also includes Douthit's renditions of tunes by **Steely Dan ("What A Shame About Me")**, Stevie Wonder ("You And I"), Earth, Wind & Fire ("Can't Hide Love"), Bill Withers ("Use Me"), Gino Vanelli ("I Just Wanna Stop"), and Bobby Caldwell ("What You Won't Do For Love," sung by Groove guitarist Chris Rodriguez). Groove also features several Douthit originals.
| FaceTheFace | Day: 19
Bill: Rap and all it's variant forms are an art. They have been created by people who live lives saturated in violence and oppressive circumstances. Rappers speak of life they know, life they participate in and seek to change in the end. It is a defiance of the very mindset shown in your post - this mindset is what contributes to violence.
Walk a mile in another man's shoes before you condemn him.
| W1P | Day: 19
PS: No discussion of 80s music is complete without mention (and adulation) of Camper Van Beetheoven. I mean, not only did they do Take the Skinheads Bowling and the Ambiguity Song, they covered Interstellar Overdrive! Oh and They Might Be Giants are top drawer -- it's hard to believe that they are from NY.
| W1P | Day: 19
St Al, yes you were talking to my nephew in SD -- which is why I got dragged to KDTU last night -- nephew Josh is still here. I've been on to Panic for nearly a decade (my brother lives in Athens GA). Of course Les Claypool is famous for covering Animals live. My nephew says moe is "the shit" What do you know about Robert Bradley's Blackwater Surprise (that's what I'm getting dragged to tonight after Hideo Nomo v. The Padres) Ben Harper's former bass player, Tom Freund, has recorded "Fearless" for my "A Fair Forgery of Pink Floyd" CD to be released hopefully in August. Still trying to convince Keneally to do Shine On.
| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 19
more from the 80's cd rack:
peter gabriel - so
genesis - abacab - before phil got filled
naked eyes - okay, that one's my husband's
robert palmer - look closely at the drummer in the famous video, hehehe
OMD!
traveling wilbury's - well duh
suzanne vega
the the - another smack on the head, whatta great band!
now the other question -
which bands heralded into this 80's sound we are trying to pull together in here from our cd racks
imho - it would have to include the english beat (or just, the beat, if in the uk) and the clash - yes, really, god save the queen
aus - was not at the office today - sniff, what did i miss?
| StAl | Day: 19
W1P: Now you're talking about the stuff I'm currently grooving on. Karl Denson and String Cheese frequently play together. Similar styles yet quite different. If you liked Denson, you've really got to check out String Cheese Incident. Wasn't I talking to your nephew or cousin about this stuff in San Diego? That Bonnaroo festival in TN is gonna be the best gig all Summer. Both bands are slated as well as Govt. Mule, Widespread Panic, Trey Anastasio, Ben Harper, moe., Les Claypol, etc.
Bill: Knock, knock, knock...nobody's home...
I'm not talking about the Hip-Hop that subjectifies women. I don't particularly care for that. I'm talking about the stuff from the late 80's and early 90's. Public Enemy's "By The Time I get To Arizona,", or, dare I say "Cop Killer" by Ice T. That's the stuff of substance. I realize it's hard for a white boy living in suburbia to understand the angst and despair that drove this music with such brutal force, however, it is most certainly is ART you freakin' dipshit. It's poetry set to musical rhythms. It inspires people, it makes them dance and motivates them to take more than just a passing interest in music. That is what it's all about.
I know what you're thinking, I'm a white boy too. However when I lived in LA it wasn't too far from Compton and some of the other areas much of this music sprang forth from. Plus, I attended a fully integrated high school in San Dimas. 30% white. 25% Black, 25% Hispanic, etc, etc. And even though I AM a white boy from suburbia, I understand.
Also, "Stan" by Eminem is another example of good Hip-Hop. It's out there, but like YGK says you've got to crack open that head of yours.
PS. You're still my favorite nemesis. Please continue disagreeing with me.
| W1P | Day: 19
Attention jazz lovers -- I can attest after last night that Karl Denson's Tiny Universe is the REAL DEAL (especially with Ronny Jordan on guitar).
Apr 19 San Diego, CA @ Belly Up
Apr 20 San Diego, CA @ Belly Up
Apr 24 Austin, TX @ Stubb's w/ Ozomatli
Apr 25 Dallas, TX @ Trees w/ Ozomatli
Apr 26 New Orleans, LA @ Tipitina's Uptown Sunrise Show
Apr 29 Winston Salem, NC @ Ziggy's
Apr 30 Raleigh, NC @ Lincoln Theatre
May 1 Asheville, NC @ Music Zone
May 4 New Orleans, LA @ State Palace Theater w/ Robert Randolph & the Family Band
I know several of you are going to jazzfest and several others live in San Diego. Catch 'em if you can, you'll thank me. W1P
| db | Day: 19
No thank's
| ╡ | Day: 19
They Might Be Giants anyone??
| Duncan | Day: 19
I've been listening to rap music since 84, Bill
Public Enemy, NWA, Ice Cube, De La Soul.
I'm OK now, a balanced human being.
Walter likes words, that's a given. I KNOW you will never listen to ''rap'' music.
You should check out the lyrics though, There's some great stuff in there.
Having said that,
say that again you c**ksuck***Motherf***** & I'll whip out my Uz* & waste you're F** AS* .....
I think that's how they say it.
Let's not forget De La Soul took Steely Dan to No1 in the UK & US during the 90'S, something the boys didn't.
| Molly still in KY | Day: 19
GReetings from Hooterville my GB friends,new soap opera capital of ...It's been good for me to read the posts on here.As I've gotten older,I find myself not willing to explore new music as much.Why waste time with bad or just mediocre music when I could be listening to the Dan ect...Perhaps I've become narrow-minded.
As much as I enjoy reading these posts,I don't have time to read worthwhile things anymore...ya know like "books" So I'll have to pass on the pearls of wisdom you oldsters have in archives.But I'm glad you're staying Chips,I like you.:}
lp and Arlean,thanks for kind messages.I'll try to write you both soon.
Drewy, I'm not angry.I have a lot of things going on with P&A right now.I have an Art Festival coming up during Derby events.I tried to leave you messages....Will be in Tx.in June,would love to get on the Rocks while I'm there.We could meet in El Paso?let me know....I won't be home tonight.Trevor is on leave.We're doing the family thing.Wish you were here as well.
As always St.Al,thanks for having me..I feel very hurt that none of you answered my question about the Blessing.lol
Be peaceful and loving my friends M.
| mere observer | Day: 19
Is that what they call the Manhattan one-two punch? I've heard of that. An insult is followed with some words of wisdom, all in one fell swoop...hmm
Oh you tell it like it is, sweetheart...
"my body's bootalicious for ya babe", dontcha know?
| YGK | Day: 19
"Fill your mind with Rap music...you will become an asshole." - nybill
So I see you've already filled your mind with rap music - Mr. Clamp-for-Brains.
While I certainly don't put rap in any category near high art, it is a legitimate form of music because it represents poetry from the streets - kids - some with talent, some not, speaking about their experiences, telling stories, some real, some imagined.....
While I'm thoroughly against sampling - my theory is if you sample indefintely, you will run out of things to sample - and I think it's a cheap substitute for the real thing. I mean, if you like someones groove, whatever, RE-create it with your own style.....
So musically speaking, rap sucks, 'cause they're not making anything other than rehash with words over the top.
But the words are real, and like 'em or not, it has been embraced by the ENTIRE culture in some way, shape or form.
I guess it doesn't play well in the NASCAR set, Bill, but crack your head open a bit, and let some light in.....you don't have to love it, or buy it, but it exists, so deal.
It certainly is legitimate for the folks that made it......and even so, I've had several conversations with brothers from my 'hood tellin me that rap is so over......so relax, little man.
ygk
| Bill | Day: 19
Pat,
You have now left the realm of "bad music critic" and entered into
the Twilight Zone of "very dumb music critic". The next step
down (which is the bottom step) is "musical moron" so choose
your response carefully...
So now you say that RAP MUSIC is a legitimate artform worthy of
determined study and appreciation. You have gone off the deep end
bro'...
RAP/GANGSTA-RAP is garbage, and garbage isn't worthy
of study or appreciation. Garbage is what it is...garbage.
Not only is the genre itself garbage but the people who make
it are garbage too. Yes Pat, they are garbage. They are nothing
less than savages. Lowlives who seek to glorify the lifestyle of
pimps and $20 dollar whores. I have'nt met a person yet who
immersed themselves in Rap music who did'nt come out the other
side a savage. It is a soundtrack for the lives of violent
felons. You seek to legitimize it, You are therefore dumb.
Human beings do not live in a vacuum. The images and sounds we
fill our minds with WILL affect what we think and ultimately who
we become. Fill your mind with violence...you will become violent.
Fill you mind with rage and angst...you will become bitter.
It's a simple formula but a very effective one. Fill your mind
with Rap music...you will become an asshole.
| YGK | Day: 19
Yo Aja: wazzup? Are you still going to String Cheese next Friday?
love to hear from you....
ygk
| Aja....................blurred | Day: 19
Big Country was from Scotland.......
Band That Epitomizes The Worst of 80's Synth Pop: New Order. Makes ya want to put on The Smiths, huh St. Al? ;o)
I Thought Friday Would Never Get Here Swirl,
Aja
| ps | Day: 19
"Arizona Sky" reminding of a band named Big Country .. from Down Under ..?
There were many more from Australia or that area in the 80-ies .. it's all in the blur ...
| Gee | Day: 19
Boy .. You Did Cut Me .. Steely Dan anno 1985 :-)
| Gina | Day: 19
hey Clas! am preparing the package for Jonas now, will be on the mail tomorrow ...
so right on the copy/paste of mr. Duke .. i was thinking about him when i read Tonez in here, T's eloquence made me think of that of the Duke's :-)
Both from Marin County, must be something in the water :-)
This going back in music history thang made me pull out CHINA CRISIS COLLECTION, i liked them when having to spin Working with Fire & Steel and lots of other stuff (yes, Psychedelic Furs, Aztec Camera, Lotus Eaters, Simpler Minds, the NonCured, U2 .. Unforgettable Fire, haha) being the DJ in my ex' basement drink&dance club the Jolly Jumper .. believe it ot not, this name came up because the snackbar upstairs was called Lucky Luke .. saw many Daltons strayin' in and out :-)
China Crisis.
Their Blue One, Flaunt the Imperfection .. when that one entered the vinyl racks .. all Steely Dan adepts came crawling, the myth and mystery over here in Europe has always been a lot more protected .. SD news barely reached us .. it was nice in those days, listening to records all afternoon in the store .. alone or together with people you know from around town .. exchanging newly discovered albums or groups or musicians ..
Aah, am i too young still to be saying, Those Were The Days??
Tragedy & Mystery .. with a bassline reminding of BLACK music .. the early rap .. Grandmaster Flash .. Junkies in the Alleys with their Baseball bats .. Wishful Thinking .. perfect representation of a feel i those years .. a longing for something ..
It's their basslines. China Crisis. That must have triggered Walter Becker :-)
Duncan, yep, done that!
Banyan Tree Didn't Care 4 Black Man Ray That Much In The Beginning However Bow,
G.
| Duncan | Day: 19
Squeeze, Jeff Healey, Ice Cube & Robert Cray anyone...
db
Gina could you send me an e-mail please
| Aja....................................where's my coffee? | Day: 19
St Al-"is our disdain for this music going to alienate us from our kids?" Hey, you're SUPPOSED to be alienated from your kids, at least for a few years. It lets them feel like rebels, at least until their old enough to realize everyone passes through the alienated stage and they're really (gasp) just like everyone else. There's nothing worse than "hip" parents for a kid (IMHO)-they want to discover their own music and their own thing, without some forty-year old trying to hang with them. I love my parents for hating rock 'n' roll, and I expect to hate my kid's music, but I won't try to stop them from playing it (though I do expect to yell "turn that shit DOWN" a few hundred times-lol)
Oh, BTW St Al, I remember the kids voting "Meat is Murder" as best album EVER in Rolling Stone a few years back (tweak!) ;o)
Aja
| ╡ - back to work now | Day: 19
St. Al: I was WRONG - the Pixies had FOUR original albums by the time Nevermind was released AND a compilation:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000002HR4/qid=1019226864/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/103-0151559-5799840
| ╡ - flip those | Day: 19
that was bizarre...
| ╡ - on a Mexican Radio | Day: 19
The key is "learning the craft"
St. Al.: Sorry, I can't agree that rap/hip-hop is a musical craft, just attitude. The craft is contained in the samples they extract. I'll admit that some collages have been very clever such as De La Soul's first one with "Peg". If major artists could integrate the style into their own compositions and played their own instruments such as our friend YGK (WUNDerground) or Ben Folds (Redneck Past), then my opinion might change...at least a few sampled Miles Davis...that'll be $600,000 please.
The Pixies 1st two albums were critical and underground smashes - Surfer Rosa (1988) and Doolittle (1989) WELL BEFORE Nirvana's *only* cohesive album: Nevermind (1991). Nevermind is a good album and it certainly established them as a legitimate and established band - but their first Bleach (1989) was a complete dog. No album that contains a song (Floyd the Barber) named after an Andy Griffith character could possibly be from an "established" artist!!
YGK: Wall of Voodoo - man, they were really weird -in the good sense - never heard anything like them...Stan Ridgeway? Yeah, that's the guy...looked like a cross between Buddy Holly and Rik Ocasek?
| ╡ - left of the Rio Grande | Day: 19
Oh yes...There have been those who have crossed over into legitimacy and very well too: Erykah Badu and Lauryn Hill...
| Drew | Day: 19
Molls where you been?I know you're pissed,but get in touch.I worry!!!I'll call you tonight.10 est.
| angel | Day: 19
Mu: Found your Whitney Houston song.
A quote from Amazon.com....
The up-tempo "How Will I Know" was a mere trifle, perhaps, but it's one of her most winning performances. And that video. That dress. 'Nuff said. --Daniel Durchholz
Did I start a Danfest? LOL
| YGK | Day: 19
For what it's worth:
Wall of Voodoo
Ridgway was/is a wonderful writer......
ygk
| YGK | Day: 19
Ah, well.......I never really got into Nirvana, especially when my introduction to it was a bartender screaming "Smells Like Teen Spirit" in my face, whacked out on coke, throwing beer bottles on the wall and causing most of us in the place to split......
In my opinion, if this is what the music does to you, pal, then I'll pass......I always must look at the marketing behind the band, which I believe was a big part of their success......and my not so high regard of the band is because when someone is forcing it down my throat, I tend to gag and try to spit it out.......
but, yes, Pat, I'll agree to your point about the 'place in history' thang, and I think generally, Kurt was a good writer, but remember, in many cases, some History is kind of written in advance by the powers.......
What I anxiously await is to hear the Muzak version of "Spirit", with full Mantovani Strings, maybe a flute or clarinet doing the lead......that would be sweet high irony.....
Now Bill, in skimming your posts, I seem to remember that you were "hard to satisfy".
While it's not my job to do, I will simply quote from Mose Allison - the song is "Benediction":
"My message this evening
is simple indeed
wherever you wander
whatever your breed
there's just one thing, baby,
that comes from above
when push comes to shove
thank god for self love........."
if you need instructions, you'll have to surf for that, or ask a friend.......but you definitely sound a bit backed up.
"Coffee"
"I like mine
dark and sweet
I must repeat
its a great way to start the mornin
I like mine
dark and sweet
I can't compete
with the way that it makes me fawnin
and as I tell you all this my brother
I think that I'll have another........"
ygk
| Chips | Day: 19
Icpaul - I know the archives bit is a little cliche, not meant as, you say, pulling rank (as if) but it's meant to illustrate that the comments I insert here are to point out the ironies of it all, it's hard to explain, but you are the first person that has posted their irritation with it, so I was a little surprised.
The only other person I know i've pissed off, but that was on purpose, was eLLe, and well, no comment necessary there.
I do believe this is my longest post.
Thank you, St Al for the sidewards glance to the Ramones below, btw, smirk.
| Dano | Day: 19
Not forgettin Southside and the Jukes.........
I dont wanna go home .....go get em Johnny Boy.
Off to get muellered for the weekend , and no matter who they play on that disco amma still gettin up dancin.
Have a Dooser everyone.
Tonez you to.
Regards Da na ho.
| C | Day: 19
George Duke was asked (on his webpage www.georgeduke.com) what he thought about rap-music and the ôganster mentalityö and the ôgo for easy moneyö. Duke responded, her's some pasting;
ôAnd what about the infiltration of this music into the white suburbs? That in itself is an interesting byproduct of this movement. It seems that every generation of youth needs to make a statement of separation from the previous generations. It is important that they find their own voice and style, their own form of protest and quest to be noticed and heard. In that respect, today's youth are no different from past generations.
In other respects, they are quite different! Times have changed! Now the outrageous things I did as a kid, seem trite in comparison to the indiscretions of today's youth. Where a kid might get beat up in my day for some stupid thing, today they might be killed! The stakes have been raised to perilous levels.
We live in a "fast food" mentality society. For many of these kids, the idea that one has to prepare by educating oneself in a chosen field is considered an imposition and too time consuming and difficult. This lack of education has driven most of today's music and musicians into mediocrity! I'm not saying there is a lack of talent, only that their is a lack of drive to fully develop that talent by learning the craft -- the nuts and bolts of music and the business if you will.ö
SAY IT AGAIN;
ô...lack of education has driven most of today's music and musicians into mediocrity!ö
Amen,
c
| StAl | Day: 19
Arlean: Well put. Nirvana had already established themselves as a powerful force long before Cobian offed himself. So many people (LIKE BILL) don't quite understand what Nirvana meant to a whole generation of music fans. That's fine because many of our parents didn't understand the Beatles...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge Nirvana fan. Soundgarden and Alice in Chains tripped my trigger more than Nirvana ever did. However, denying what that band did for popular music is simply ludicrous. You can dislike them, but you can't deny facts. My dislike of the Ramones is well known but their influence is profound (on bands like Nirvana for instance). For me to suggest otherwise is silly. Same deal.
Mu: Same goes with Rap/Hip-Hop music. There's a lot of really good rap music out there. Like most musical genre's you have to sort through a lot of crap to get to the good stuff, and I'll even say there is far more crap than the good stuff, but it does exist. I prefer the older music myself. The stuff where the rappers took on more social commentaries as opposed to sexual commentary. NWA, Ice T, Public Enemy, etc. Currently I'm liking some of the stuff I'm hearing from Outkast and, well, I like Eminem (but we've already covered that one here).
This music is really popular with the kids nowadays. It is a genre that is here to stay. I wonder if our disdain for this music is going to alientate us from this newer generation (our kids)? To me the best approach is to find the good (and it does exsist) and communicate it with your kids, otherwise we're no different than the parents who though Mick Jagger was the devil incarnate and we'll be viewed like my reference below...
Bill: It's ok not to be hip. Embrace your squareness. Psychedelic Fur's...hahahahahhaahahaa!
Dano: I'd listen to that Smiths album but I doubt you could find it in a record store anymore...
StAl w/tongue firmly implanted in cheek.
| Clas | Day: 19
dr ¦ - ôAs you all may remember, MTV refused to play artists of color, only white artists with colored hair...ö
Maybe that was the case in Texas, but certainly not in Europe.
C
| Sylvia | Day: 19
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Mail me and I will mail back as soon as possible!! Greetings from Sylvia, mail me at:
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| ╡ | Day: 18
If the lead singer for The Pixies had committed suicide and had inspired a Weird Al video, then THEY would be more popular. EOS, baby...Nirvana was not bad (and I like the Foo Fighters spinoff), they just didnt do anything new...but they did kill the Hair bands, which is a fitting enough epitaph...
| StAl | Day: 18
Actually Mu, that is what I meant. The "crappy" bands I really dig may have been influenced by the "crappy" bands from the 80's you dig. That's irrelevant. Like it or not Nirvana is going down as one of the all time most influential bands. You may agree or disagree. I'm just stating the facts.
Here's an analogy. When Detroit first started introducing computers into automobiles in the late 70's and 80's their cars sucked BIG TIME (I know, I used to work on them). It took quite a few years before they finally got it right.
Same with music.
Therefore Nirvana far surpasses anything The Psychedelic Furs (surprise! there's another band I hate) could ever imagine. Same with the Pixies. Kurt Cobain (and the rest of the band) openly acknowledge the Pixies as a major influence. Nirvana is still better, more influential and WAY more popular and that's the point I was trying to make. Music can evolve. If not we all might as well stop listening, which (and I'm not saying you by any means) some people on this board seem to have done...
StAl
| W1P | Day: 18
Boxing -- the other day my daughter Aja tripped on the rug and fell over (no harm no foul). All I could think about all day was "Down goes Aja, down goes Aja . . . ." Howard will never leave my consciousness!
| W1P | Day: 18
I LOVE My Own Prison. Hell, I loved With Arms Wide Open until they Stairway to Heavened it to death. Pearl Jam is totally awesome, dude -- deep meaning, deep groves -- what do you want from life? Glorified version of a pellet gun! Johnny Marr, isn't he in The The? Springsteen had some decent records out in the 80s like, The River (79=80), Nebraska, Born in the USA, Tunnel of Love and Live 75-85. Please forgive him for Lucky Town and Human Touch. And let's not forget the Wall (79=80), the Final Cut, Momentary Lapse of Reason, Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking and Radio KAOS! By the way, X is the single most underrated band in the history of rock music, period. I got my Soul Spectacular box set from PBS today (but no videos and no James Brown doll yet).
| ╡ | Day: 18
~: How about Boxing? He uses space and change of pace constantly without repeating himself - a punchdrunk allegory?...Boxing's been good to me, Howard...
| ╡ | Day: 18
No St. Al., my point is the converse. Crappy bands in your area influenced by decent ones... I'll admit Nirvana had some good songs using the Police strategy from Outlandos d'Amour of contemplative verse - thrash chorus...but I'm sorry... Pearl Jam and the rest are pretty much unlistenable - at least I can't tell the difference between them and today's Creed (Crud)...I'm just growin' old...
Ben Fold's influences: pretty much all American music
ragtime (Joplin)
jazz
Gershwin
Steely Dan
Brubeck
Elton John (OK, but his influences are not British)
Joe Jackson
Billy Joel
Brian Wilson
Bacharach
and some grunge and rap for flavoring
the Ben Folds One album incorporates more Beatles and 60s Brit pop
~: great point about the use of silence...
Ben Folds really uses that well - among a plethora of examples there's a passage in Video that is classic...
late Talk Talk and Kraftwerk took the use of silence to an extreme - enough to make one scream...
| shark de ville | Day: 18
You'll find Joe Jackson's "King of the World" on his 'Live in NY' CD, which just came out not too long ago.
Just piano, drums, and bass... and Joe's great vocal. Enjoy!
| lp | Day: 18
my theme song in the 80's was "the future's so bright, i gotta wear shades" - embarrassing as it is to admit, that song cracked me up when it came out - hope we can still be friends, what a hoot!
go get em dano!
add psych furs to my list too as well as roxy music
and yes, the b-52's were more of a 70's thingie; however they toured alot on college campuses in the 80's that i tie them into that decade
| StAl | Day: 18
Tones: You just illustrated why I tend to avoid compiling lists of artists for the sake of argument because inevitably you forget someone... Yeah, The Dead, sheesh...
Bill: Hmmm. I can see why you may have thought the 80's were a "breath of fresh air" based on that analysis. However, though I disliked most "disco" music there was a lot that struck my fancy. Especially the black funkified stuff. Bee Gees no. Gotta love some of the early Commodores, Kool and the Gang, Ohio Players, O Jay's, Earth Wind and Fire, etc. Plus, there was always all that great TRUE funk from the likes of Parliament, Stevie Wonder, The Meters and such.
The single biggest turn-off for me when it comes to the 80's was so many bands fascination with all this electronic synth/drum crap. It absolutely dominated the general vibe heard throughout a large chunk of the 80's. This sound is a royal turn-off to my ear. The bands I'm squarely taking aim at are bands who's whole sound was wrapped up in this shit. Again, the problem is it dominated and even bled over to bands I consider ok. Sure, bands like the Pretenders, Talking Heads (one of the few bands who really knew how to uses these newer instruments), Dire Straits, Joe Jackson, Mellencamp, The Dead, etc...Those bands made great music.
Therefore, once the emphasis on this electronic sound started to dissipate and musicians realized they couldn't hide behind that crap anymore I started paying closer attention. Red Hot Chili Peppers, Jane Addiction, Soundgarden, Nirvana, Metallica, Cowboy Junkies, Public Enemy, etc -- all bands that started to make waves late in the 80's -- finally it was time for me to breathe, and it continues to this day. While I was holding my breath I took solace in the music of the 60's and early to mid 70's. I never said the 80's sucked completely. As a general rule of thumb I like rhythms that are created by real people -- not a fucking machine. That's why, in general, the 80's sucked so bad.
Also, to my favorite Texan... Not sure if this is the point you're trying to make but just because someone likes a band who were obviously influenced other bands they consider shit doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
"The blues had a baby and it's name was rock and roll." (BB King I think).
Take Ben Folds as an example. The dude is awesome but I'll bet he was influenced by some bands you'd consider crap. Using your analysis he most certainly isn't original. In fact, no one is...
This has been fun. Please understand I totally respect everyone's opinion no matter how wrong you are...
StAl
| Aja................................dime dancing as usual | Day: 18
Right on, Dano! Also play "What Difference Does It Make" with "The Queen is Dead"-Johnny Marr ruled (tired 80's expression).
Okay, St. Al, go ahead and think The Cure sucks, but not until you've played "Primary".
I forgot to add Elvis Costello to the list of 80's bands that don't suck-gotta love "Deportese Club", "Oliver's Army", "The Only Flame", and always "Pump It Up".
She's been a bad girl
She's like a chemical
Oooooh you try to stop, but
She's like a narcotic
Dare I say that D&W wish they'd written those lines? Getting ready to dodge the tomatoes......
Aja
| dUNCAN | Day: 18
I love the cult,I also loved Southern dealth cult, Been a fan as far back as Resurection Joe WIP, mentioned MR Astbury too.
I have a nice selection of re-mixes & 12'' vinyl to share also
| Dano | Day: 18
StAl , Get that frickin stereo on and get that frickin track by The Smiths "The Queen Is Dead" and turn the frickin stereo up way loud and then tell me the Smiths are boring.Frickin American i still love ya mate??
Regards Johnny Marr.
| W1P | Day: 18
Actually, I cannot believe the absolute zero response to the Cult. C'mon people, the Cult -- my nomination for Band of the 80s.
Tonight: Karl Denson's Tiny Universe @ HOB.
| Lars | Day: 18
Lisa (listen to me): yes I like it a lot; althogh the trumpetplayer,Cuong Vu, doesn't get enough space. Looking forward to early May when PMG comes to Copenhagen (I live in southern Sweden 20 min. from Copenhagen). Got my tic's last week.
Anyone refering B52's as an 80ies band must reconsider. Well, Wild Planet was 1980 but except for that (and Love Shack) nothing is more 1979 than B52's. Wild, funky and Athens!
L
| Dano | Day: 18
PM Dawn , Now that big guy could warble right??
| Dano | Day: 18
Cannot be arsed to write any more down .......
BUT WHAT ABOUT GRAHAM PARKER AND THE RUMOUR YOU SHMUCKS
AND MCFADDEN AND WHITEHEAD??
YOU PEOPLE REALLY DAE MA HEED IN.
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaano.
| t | Day: 18
Just a quickie on "The Osbournes"... This probably signals the end of Ozzie's career, or is maybe just a symptom. My point is, after you've sold your family for entertainment and profit, what do you do?
Playing soon in a venue near you: Ozzie's internal organs! "The Liver that Wouldn't Die!" "The World's Largest Bladder!" "Ozzie's Brain in a Jar!"
How far will he go?
| wormy | Day: 18
Jim# - I read a review saying Michelle Shocked was doing dub/gospel on the second disc (she lives here and rarely ever plays, when she does, she brings the house down with her energy and variable styles, 2 years ago with treme brass band at fundraiser)
I'll get the washboard warmed up for Aja, anybody play spoons?
A danfest kazoo band may be in the works!
Dr Mu - Ben Fold's Five Sessions DVD, rather nice
I enjoy the spaces of silence they leave in the music
I also missed Ben FOld's One twice (N.O. and N.Y.C.)
really like the Suburbs disc
think don and walt will stop by to see wayne shorter or mingus big band in New Orleans???
| tones - rearing his ugly head | Day: 18
Hey there steely peeps! I've been on mini sabbatical from work (finally), and now I'm back and there's nothing to do. So now I'm here... and so horribly underlurked that I might as well be demoted to "newbie". Lp - where's my test...
Of course I couldn't pass up this "How I survived the 80's" thread... my .02:
xtc
Meat Puppets
Camper Van Beethoven
Bowie, through it *was* dire until Tin Machine
B-52's
X
Stranglers
U2
The Grateful frickin' Dead... saved my life sooooooo many times...
Rain Parade... actually, saving my life *these* days... musically speaking...
Todd Rundgren...
Talking Heads
King Crimson... through 3 of a Perfect Pair
Linton Kwesi Johnson
...the occasional erroneous report in Rolling Stone that the Dan were reforming...
Off to lurk... and study for that newbie test...
Good to read ya
t
| Bill | Day: 18
Now Pat....,
The fact that I'm crazy has nothing to do with this. Most people
who have responded to the 80's music question seem to disagree
with you. I mean, did you actually ENJOY Disco music? Did you
actually like all that corporate rock junk? Where you grooving
to The Captain and Tenille way back then? I don't think so.
You were just as digusted with it as most people were. Most
people with the exception of all those Disco Dans (pardon the
unintentional "Dan" reference) who drove around in thier
oversized 76' Cadillac Eldorado's wearing thier white
suits with the multi-colored nylon shirts buttoned down to thier
belly buttons, singing "Boogie Nights". Frank Zappa wrote a song
in thier honor called "Dancin' Fool". Remember that one?
This is where we found ourselves in the mid to late 1970's.
Then something happened... The younger crowd became really,
really sick of all those Studio 54 assholes... They decided
to put some teeth back into modern music. They formed groups
like the Talking Heads, The Ramones, and The Pretenders.
Are you really trying to say that groups such as these WERE'NT
a breath of fresh air?
If so, then you don't know what the fuck YOU'RE talkin about pal.
...but i still love you too...sometimes...
| Miz Ducky | Day: 18
Re: "The Osbournes" -- now here, StAl, is something else we can agree on. :-)
No fooling. I confess to spending a good ten minutes last night falling out of my chair laughing hysterically as I watched Ozzy chase the family cat all over the yard, swearing like a sailor and bellowing for his wife (who is even funnier IMO than Ozzy--in fact, I think she's the one who really makes the whole show explode).
I don't watch it very often, but when I do it never fails to please. I'm just glad it's on the air, on general principle--making the TV airwaves safe for good ol' unabashedly deranged behavior. It's a game the whole family can play!
/the Mam'zelle
(whose fave trash TV also includes "Junkyard Wars" and Anthony Bourdain swearing and chainsmoking his way through "A Cook's Tour" on the Food Network of all places)
| lp | Day: 18
yes, g, thanks, i'm brushing up on my balinese - LOL
joe jackson, of course, smacking myself on the head, well duh on me
who did that tune "cuts you up", shoot, that's another good one from the 80's
and, speaking of gina, we can't forget rlj's few releases in the 80's, taking it all to another level
| Gee | Day: 18
hey LP, looking for balise?
he's with me :-)
| Steveedan | Day: 18
And speaking of Joe Jackson ...
Can someone tell me which Joe Jackson album has his cover of Steely Dan's "King Of The World"? I must have it for my collection.
Thanks
Steveedan
| StAlphonzo | Day: 18
Bill: You don't know what the fuck you're talking about... Breath of fresh air? Maybe you should move farther from Jersey. That's ok pal, even though I question you're sanity, I still love ya.
Mu: Don't think I didn't see that comment about Grunge, buster.
Finn Brothers in every variation....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Talented yes, but zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Like Sting.
Has anyone been watching The Osbournes on MTV? Freakin hillarious! I love disfunction.
Angel: Yes -- prize was given out on Monday.
Miz D: But, MY opinion is the ONLY opinion that counts, no?
Yeah, I know -- NO
StAl
PS. Another missing artist from the small, but good list of music of the 80's -- Joe Jackson
| lp | Day: 18
oh yeah - julian cope - julian lennon had a couple of good releases then too that fizzled
how could i forget the pixies, gees, have all their cd's - they were great live - wow - there goes my gun, for sure
also reminded of
the pogues
the jam
| dif's picks | Day: 18
i humbly offer the following analysis of the last five cds ive
ive listened to:
BRANFORD MARSALIS-"romances for saxophone" branford arranging and playing soprano with THE ENGLISH CHAMBER ORCHESTRA-covering the likes of debussy, rachmaninoff, stravinsky, satie, ravel and others.
VARIOUS ARTISTS OF D.G.M.-"sometimes god smiles, the young persons guide to DISCIPLINE volume two" a sampler put together by robert fripp in 1998. some of the most eclectic music ive heard since and a "steal" at $5.99. also intersting is fripp's liner notes stating the business objectives of his label, DISCIPLINE GLOBAL MOBILE. a breath of fresh air in the greedy corporate world of of today's music industry.
JOHN ABERCROMBIE-"while we're young"-incredible aural tapestry by the guitarist in a drums and hammond b-3 format.
DIRE STRAITS-"on every street"-the strait's finest hour. i love knopfler's diverse music styles, from the blues of "fade to black", to the hauntingly poignant "iron hand", to the jazziness of "when it comes to you". i also like the pedal steel contribution of paul franklin and the strings conducted by the legendary george martin.
ADRIAN BELEW-"op zop too wah"-another offering from one of todays gifted guitarists, tho "quirkier" than most, ive seen him live several times with king crimson. its my understanding that the out of print "the lone rhino" and "twang bar king" were recorded right here in champaign/urbana.
ICEHOUSE-"masterfile"-an import complilation of aussie iva davies and company's popular 1980's releases, most notably from the "primitive man" and "measure for measure" LPs.
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stevee-im glad that a good time was had by all who attended the san diego sd fest. thanks for the offer and best wishes with the new endeavor, pretzel logic. ill be contacting you shortly.
bill-edie brickell? im sorry, but i cant possibly agree on this one. "even cathy berbarian knows theres one "bohemian" who cant sing". "dumb luck, my friend, has sucked you in again, this time".
cyn-come to chat soon. i still miss you!
dif
| ╡ - will the wolf survive? | Day: 18
fezo: you have Chapel Hill's dBs?????? I've got their first 3 - great stuff...sad to see their lead lurking in the back of the stage as part of REM concerts over the past decade...
~: You HAVE GOT to get the DVD for Neil - incredible! I love the look and lighting with about 6 cameras (some moving) filmed real time. Very professional video directing and engineering, unlike Plush, I hate to say...Faster Than Light and Fall at You Feet will give you chills...
Is that Ben Folds One or Five? How is it??? I'm leaning toward Justin Morrel next, then maybe Ben live. I missed Ben Folds in Houston last month due to a trip - this would make up for poor timing...
more of the best of 80s: Marshall Crenshaw's first; Neville Brothers' Yellow Moon, Los Lobos' Will the Wolf Survive, the follow-up (forgot the name - jeez, I can see the cover among my LPs), & great covers on the La Bamba soundtrack
AOR became Classic Schlock - there were Alternative Radio/College Stations supporting bands like the Furs, early REM, Pixies that inspired Grunge, which is really warmed ove post-new wave alternative with really bad bass players...
now in the 90s and beyond - it's all f*cking Clear Channel
I guess I had a graphite and glitter delusion as a young man that rock and dance music would be dead at this point and jazz or something like it sould rule again. Little did I know that rock would become Today's Country (OK, so I do sneak a peak at Country Babe videos on occasion), and dance grinds on with electronica continuing the disco/eurodisco tradition...
Ole: Godley and Creme are now preparing a composite pic for you, along with an Axis of Evil t-shirt, merged from Saudi, Iraqi, Iranian, Taliban, North Korean, Filipino, Sudanese, Somalian, French, Ceylonese, English, German, Syrian, Palestinian, Timothy McVeigh sources, a Terry Nichols photo taken shortly after his visit to Al Qaeda training camps in the Phillipines, along with Geraldo Rivera for good measure...
| Jim# | Day: 18
Wormy: Just picked up the new Michelle Shocked and...hmmm. A two CD set - Deep Natural and Dub Natural. She seems to have some sort of theme in mind for the Dub Natural but I couldn't, at gunpoint, tell you what that might be.
The Deep Natural smolders and cooks quite Shockingly. Would love to hear that stuff live - Gospel tent on the second Jazzfest weekend btw, heh heh. LadyB, you listenin'?
Check the dandom mail site for my particulars, hunting down 'gator leash and other sundry items to pack.
| Duncan | Day: 18
U2
The Alarm
The Faith Brothers
Simple Minds
Bruce Springsteen
The Mighty Wah!!
Julian Cope
Aztec Camera
Diamond Head
Raven
Ozzy Osbourne
Van Halen
AC/DC
David Bowie
Queen
Black Sabbath
All kept me out the pub during the 80Æsà I was a teenager after all.
Or should I say took care of my pocket money.
Highpoint.. Saturday July 15th 1995 æÆLive AidÆÆ Working Wembley stadium all day & night.
Sneaking into the backstage bar area & meeting Pete Townshend & Ian Astbury.
Passing my driving test & spending a monthÆs wages on a car stereoàú125.00.
Growing my hair long.
Low pointà Leaving home for the first time & moving to London
db
| | Day: 18
If you worked here, you'd be home now:
http://www.realworld.co.uk/studios/
| lp | Day: 18
hey angel! here's your planning reading for today:
hey, century? http://www.planetizen.com/news/item.php?id=5943
take the a train - http://www.planetizen.com/news/item.php?id=5937
ugh - funding sources from hell - http://www.planetizen.com/news/item.php?id=5951
uh, blaise? you a-lurkin?
from the 80's:
the cure
something happens
charlatans uk
the b-52's
michelle shocked
the police
til tuesday
guadalcanal diary
china crisis
everything but the girl
lee ritenour's stuff during the 80's is my favorite time period for him
joe sample/crusaders as well
art of noise
hoodoo gurus
midnight oil
echo and the bunnymen
10k maniacs
the connells
the judybats
the la's
swing out sister
dire straits
siouxsie and the banshees
kate bush
cave dogs, the bags, as well as tribe - boston bands i followed when i first moved here
loved david bowie in the 80's though die-hards say he sold out then, whatever
fleetwood mac's release in the 80's is a personal top dog release of theirs, but the critics disagreed
rem
and all that other stuff - trying to visualize my cd rack at home for all the stuff i purchased then - lol - some bands are eeked in from the 70's and others into the 90's - i'll post some others from home - lotsa fun reading
| wormy | Day: 18
Dr Mu - Sessions at 54
I have tapes of whole shows (not aired) of
Liz Phair/Lounge Lizards (acid jazz) and Suzanne Vega/Richard Thompson
that I snagged on ebay
real nice stuff - will it make a dvd release? hope so
but the latest batch of DVD's is encouraging
I have the Ben Fold's disc and have seen the highlights disc
(Keb Mo and Neil Finn also available)
this is a nice setting and Byrne and Hiatt are interesting hosts
Ole - no sweat on a check, at JF is fine
I want to finally meet Zeke, my neighbor
I'll send details to you all on meeting places via the dandom list that HOOPS so nicely provided, just send me arrival times etc
bill 80's an up from 70's?
not really, video killed the radio star
if you avoided the slop, there were gems in the seventies and
bold non corporate radio stations that played AOR not todays
Classic Rock slop
anyone heard the new Neil Young, Cheryl Crowe or Michelle SHocked discs released last week?
wormy
| fezo | Day: 18
music that i find worth remembering from the 80's:
(1) the Prince albumn before "Purple Rain", the one with "Something In The Water"
(2) anything by the db's.
(3) every other REM release
(4) Rodney Crowell had a great album in the latter part of the decade, "Diamond and Dust" I think.
(5) Del Fuegos before they did a beer commercial
There's more, but those are the first ones to emerge from my only one cup of coffee so far fog
| Chips | Day: 18
Um, icpaul, take some time to read the archives before you try to boot me off this place. I have a distinct role in these parts that you newbies just don't get.
Read your history before spouting off, thanks for sharing just the same.
| angel | Day: 18
Howard: NO VOCALS? Sigh.... I am sure your instrumental is just fine, but I do like the vocal layering on "Trouble". I am glad you are getting something together, though.
Icpaul: Chips has been around here, longer then I have. Been saying he's going to the Ramones site for years. LOL
St. Al: Did you give out the prize on your list yet, am I too late?
Oleander: Do your kids still recognize you, you party animal you. Have a great time at Jazzfest and send color, especially on the Worm and Jim #. :-)
| id devoid super ego | Day: 18
Hear that, Chips? Take a hike!
mwaha
| lcpaul | Day: 18
Dare I say it, albeit belatedly, goodbye Mr Chips, or is it Mrs Chips, or is it Ms Chips? If you don't like St Al's site and we're all boring you, just go away. Enjoy the Ramones you tosser. You deserve each other.
| Howard | Day: 18
OK, sounds like I better get cleaning up that track I transferred from cassette for the TM2002 CD. Thanks for the encouraging words folks! Will do my best to get it done by the end of the month.
BTW - the track is an instrumental, no vocals. Kind of an odd one, as it was made up on the spot - quite literally. Was jamming with my brother, and we'd been getting into lots of rhythmic stuff, and I said "shall we try that seven feel?". He says "ooh yeah!" and he's started drumming before I'd even got my guitar plugged in! It's a little rough at the edges, but great spirit. I overdubbed bass and a pinch of synth later to finish it off.
Lisa G - hope you can manage to get a track sorted out too!
Howard
| oh btw... | Day: 18
Which one's Steve?
Mwaha...
Mwahahahahah... ugh pft cough buuuuuurp....
ugh...
| nobody famous | Day: 18
Hello? OMG... have the olive complexion Meanies struck again?
Heeeeeeeeeelllllllooooo!!
| profound throat | Day: 18
Wanna know where bin Laden is? Really really really wanna know?
Ask al Jazeera.
Hey, hey, I got the mullet.
Now where's my fat wallet?
| almost human | Day: 18
And 300 Palestinians = 1.5 Jew. Hmm... I'm getting the hang of this. Bear with me here.
| pseudo kingpin | Day: 18
Great. Now you're killing Canadians out of boredom. True, 1 canadian roughly equals 0.6 american, after all. Expendable cannon flesh. Fire in the hole!
| 1 Steph beyawned | Day: 18
I remember way back then when everything was true and when
We would have such a very good time such a fine time
Such a happy time...
And I remember how we'd play simply waste the day away
Then we'd say nothing would come between us... two dreamers
| C @ W | Day: 17
Lisa G - no kidding, the man was wearing a hearing aid (no scar though). He also had this tuning device, you know, you hit a key and you can see how out of tune it is. And the piano sounds great, don't know hell how he managed to get it right.
And yes, those bands, never heard of them.
c
| Steveedan | Day: 17
Me ?!? ...
Nah ...
Steveedan
| Bill | Day: 17
If we learned anything from the "Worst Songs Of The 70's" contest
It would be that every decade has it's good and bad art.
While we are all entitled to our opinion concerning good and bad
music, I must say that I differ with St. Al on whether the 80's
was a down time for music.
Quite the contrary, the 80's represented a breath of fresh air
after the mind-numbing Disco music and coporate rock of the
mid to late 70's. The music industry seems to work in cycles,
one good decade, one bad decade. The 60's was good (who can
deny that?), The 70's was not so good, The 80's was good,
The 90's was not so good, the story on this decade is yet to
be written. Will the first decade of the new millenium follow
suit? As we are only less than 2 years into it, it remains to be
seen.
One thing is for certain, Donald Fagen and Walter Becker were
way ahead of thier time way back in 1973. When the airways were
awash with songs by Tony Orlando and Dawn and The Carpenters.
Nearly 30 years later we still listen and groove to those sounds.
THAT is the true measure a master. Bach did it. Leonardo Davinci
did it. Steely Dan is still doing it too.
And who will be the next artist(s) to turn the world around?
Who knows? Maybe You...
| oleander...........................the great state of trance | Day: 17
RS--"No, it was 18-A."
Howard--Nick of time!! Hold the presses, Schwinn!
wormtom--shit, the check! Shall I just bring it to you? Will not be there for Sunday treyf party, but am ON for Sat. nite with the gang for the DanFest Trifecta.
Lisa G--funny story.
Hey Mu--So what does a terrorist look like?
OK, 5 most recent listens if not purchases:
Bela Fleck, Perpetual Motion
Bill Evans, Everybody Digs Bill Evans
Love & Theft
2vN
Let It Bleed
| ╡ - another night, another gratuitous Neil Finn post | Day: 17
How could I forget: Crowded House for their epohymous debut (1986) and the fab Temple of Low Men (1988).
Well, I earned enough points with amazon.com to earn a free gift - "Neil Finn Sessions at West 54th" DVD-V. Just arrived this evening! In contrast with the solid new live CD 7 Worlds collide which featured a whole host of friends from Radiohead, Pearl Jam, and the Smiths playing an eclectic mix of Neil's, Smiths', Enz, and Crowded House songs in a stadium venue with all the good and bad things that that entails...
Sessions at West 54th (as most of the series) featured an intimate setting with a hand-picked band in a semi-unplugged format. It's a small concert recorded *real time* with super acoustics and engineering (unlike 7 Worlds - which is the Achilles' heels to a nice set). Neil is no rock star, he's a troubador, and the resonant immediacy of the West 54th studio was made for him.
Bottom line - this set is crystalline and powerful. Translation St. Al: it KICKS MAJOR ASS!! The audio and visual engineering and production are gorgeous and enveloping There's no question with DVD you ARE there and I can hear the electric guitar bouncing off the wood floor - now that's music... The large majority of the songs are from the edgy and implosive Try Whistling This. There are two Crowded House songs (Fall at Your Feet and the obligatory Don't Dream It's Over) and one Split Enz classic (I Got You). It was breathtaking to hear the Try Whistling This songs come to life. As expected in this type of setting, the more quiet and acoustic tunes such as Try Whistling This (the song), Addicted, Faster Than Light, and a powerful rendition of Fall at your Feet really resonate, literally. But it's the harder songs that really blew me away! Neil and band truly rocked the joint with King Tide, Loose Tongue, and She Will Have Her Way. Live the music the way it was intended... recommended far more highly than 7 Worlds...
| Lisa G | Day: 17
St. Al-thanks for the classifieds. Any way you could make the font larger, save having the user change his or her Internet preferences?
LG
| angel | Day: 17
Yes Lisa, not getting to meet you until you were leaving, was the saddest part for me. Not meeting Lady B and Aussie, was my other. What was really cool about that NYC Fest, was the fact that you could go right up to the performer and watch how they make the magic. For someone who does not play in a band, or even know how to play electric guitar (acoustic was all I learned) it was an eye opening experience. Ole just makes the experience even better. You can't feel too out of place, with her just trancing out in the front. :-)
Hope you get your TM2001(2) act together.
Howard: Yes, Yes. Do it! I Love your voice (almost as much as I love Roy Scam's) :-)
St. Al: Did hanging with us, make you so sarcastic? :-0
| Lisa G | Day: 17
Yeesh, I must have slept through the 80's...who the hell are these bands you guys have been arguing about anyway?
angel-loved the report of the Fest. I remember when I met you in NYC over a year ago. Indeed you were up in front of the band, while we hung over the balcony singing at the tops of our lungs. What a blast. Still bummed we didn't really get to meet until me and G were leaving.
Howard welcome back from Espana. Missed you!
Clas-Hmmm...a hearing aid? Does he have a scar across his face, too? Hope you got a good deal. Next time, ask him to tune every other key. See how that goes.
YGK-e-mail all better, yet?
Gina, getting a cue from H, and working on it. Thanks for being my cheerleader, girlfriend.
So may it secretly begin...
| lp at home | Day: 17
but st al - who does not snicker when they figure out all the words to girlfriend in a coma?
| Miz Ducky | Day: 17
No worries, StAl, I still loves ya--even if you do have this major habit of saying "Band X stinks" instead of "I personally hate Band X." :-)
Speaking of which--hey, X, there's another 80s band I think is pretty damn good ... and nobody could ever accuse *them* of being synth-pop!
/the Mam'zelle
(who can be quite stubborn herself, in her own fine-feathered way)
| StAl..............sarcastic as ever............ | Day: 17
Duncan: Almost half the states that form the United States are larger than England in land mass including the one I live in -- Washington.
It's funny that a band who was so influential in England was played on the radio in the US twice, maybe three times...
But hey, we can all agree on at least one band, no?
MORRISSEY? PUUUUUKKKKKE! The worst of the worst. Absolutely worthless English drivel. I'd rather listen to Englebert Humperdinck. Ok, that isn't fair. I have a soft spot for him thanks to my mothers infatuation with him in my formative years. How about I'd rather listen to Yanni? Most definitely rather listen to Yanni.
Do you still love me Miz D? I still love you.
StAl
| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 17
wow - this time warp is fun, wait, where's my powder blue sweater?
oh blaise, i'm a callin you
aus, no email for june?
| W1P | Day: 17
For my money, The Cult = The 80s! She Sells Sanctuary
| Admirer | Day: 17
June--- Sorry, that's Whap! Magazine, not Wap! Enjoy.
Admirer
| an admirer | Day: 17
June-----try reading WAP! Magazine. Right up your alley.
Admirer
| Duncan | Day: 17
NME's been going 50yrs...Call it again IF you make it through the next 45. StAl....
Which states ?
I left a smiths gig at Newcastle upon tyne solely because our crap seats at the back where nearer the bar, than the stage.
I once sold a ú12.00 ticket to a scalp for ú3.00 just to buy some drinks.
On the other hand i spent ú30.00 on a ú12.00 DLR ticket at hammersith and was not dissapointed.
Moral...
Get out more
Regarding the british music press i was always a Sounds & Kerrang man myself.
| StAlphonzo | Day: 17
Duncan: Who the hell reads NME anyway? Half a million brits living on an Island smaller than a few of our states? It's no wonder...
HA!
I love you all.
StAl
| Miz Ducky | Day: 17
Heh. StAl, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about the quality of several of those 1980s bands. I love the Smiths and Morrissey solo. And Bronski Beat and their lead singer Jimmy Sommerville's later outfit, the Communards. Plus several others of the ones that don't appeal to you.
Dare I bring up the Pet Shop Boys? I love them too. Dance music with brains--heavy on the irony.
I'd be the first to admit this stuff is an acquired taste--these outfits are heavy into a majorly ultra-high-gloss dance-pop sound. I know you don't care for that. And that's ... Okay.
Glad at least we agree on some bands. Midnight Oil, for instance. They are amazing. (And admittedly, they do not sound like the Prototypical 80's Synth-Pop band--they're a whole 'nother animal.) There's rumors they should be touring the US sometime real soon now. I aim to try to go.
And while I don't have any rancor towards the Cure, they never really turned my propeller either.
Now if you'd cited Schlock of Seagulls as an exemplar of everything that was way overdone with 80s synth-pop, I'd be jumping up and shouting "Amen!"
Hey--like they say, guess that's what makes horse races. Chacun a son gout. And all that jazz.
/the Mam'zelle
(relieved that she's run out of cliches)
| StAlphonzo | Day: 17
So you thought I was done adding stuff to this website? WRONG!
Click the link above or http://classifieds.banyantrees.net
I thought it might be fun to start a classified section where people can buy and sell stuff. Doesn't have to be Steely Dan related. And unlike e-bay I don't charge and ads stay active for 6 months. Check it out and, as always, feedback is welcomed.
StAl
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 17
woohoo! got my ticket in the mail today for Merlefest on Saturday, April 27th!....wouldn't mind doing the full 4 day festival but I guess Saturday's lineup is the best.....check it out if you're interested:
http://www.merlefest.org
MC
| C @ W | Day: 17
I was raised, but not correctly.
C
| June | Day: 17
Let me clue you in on something - June never ever wears curlers in public and she never buys National Enquirer - Martha Stewart and Real Simple
I was raised correctly in Scarsdale you know...
Where the hell am I?
| Ms Molly | Day: 17
db.I'm your climber,get in touch we have to be kindred spirits...lol Love
caves as well,give me some boots,light helmet and big hole in ground....I've been told I'm a real cheap date.lol :}
St. Al or maybe Bill, do you remember a band called The Blessing? I thought they were decent...maybe around 90-91.What ever happened to them?Anyone knows...
gotta go do some work M
| Gina | Day: 17
COOL!
Howard, i knew you couldn't resist the lure of the TM2002 :-)
If you weren't submitting anything, you'd be in big T R O U B L E ...
(played it the other day, mucho XTC reference, LUV it!!!)
Banyan Tree Take It As A Cue LIsa G.....
G.
| Force fields up, Photon Topedoes Armed, Phasers to Stun | Day: 17
Just got a call from the local Honda dealer who says that my
new VTX 1800 Custom is ready to be picked up. Please remove
all children, elderly people, and pets from any adjacent
street or highway. If you want me I'll be out riding with
that chick from Boston with the rollers in her hair.
As Spock would say, "Life's a gas! Rock on!"
Oh Yeah!
| wormfestation | Day: 17
those doing New Orleans,
the jazzfest lineups are online
so you can see which acts you will have to decide on
nojazzfest.com for the details
I will send out offbeat magizines to the festers in the next day or so
(Ole mail me with your mailing address)
we will be doing dinner and Dr John/Marcia Ball at Tips saturday night
sunday after the fest a crawfish boil at tom's will do
I'll get more info on which stages, what flag pole to find
lawn chair setups (bring a toteable chair)(zeke stop by!)
email me with when you arrive and depart and modes of hookup
bergeon@shellus.com
aussie - yes received check, haven't cashed any checks yet
I do have the level 5 tour cd, thanks for asking
only 9 days away and counting!
aja - thursday and swamp beckons, resident local david is game as tour guide
80's decent english beat, gabriel, heads, dolby, winwood, psych furs, early police, rickie lee jones, suzanne vega, kinks, crimson, u2, abc, joy divison, michelle shocked, townsend, fagen, rem, costello
great in 70's sucked/died in 80's bowie, floyd (sorry w1p), fleetwood, frampton, genesis, zep outtakes, heart, stones, yes, tull, who, McCartney, eno, springsteen, aerosmith
a few lulls in 80's but still matter - morrison, young, mitchell, taylor
wormy
| Where's My Heart Medication? | Day: 17
********************* FLASH! *********************************
API HAS JUST REPORTED THAT ST. AL HAS NAMED NO LESS THAN 20
GOOD ARTISTS OF THE 80'S. CONGRESS HAS NAMED KENNETH STARR
TO LEAD THE INVESTIGATION INTO THIS MATTER. MORE TO COME. STOP.
**************************************************************
| The Home For Cantankerous Old Soccer Moms | Day: 17
In this episode we find Chips bounding across a supermarket
parking lot dragging 3 kids behind her. She is adorned with
full-size hair rollers, a cigarette dangling from her skull,
a flowered house dress, and flip-flops. As she approaches
her 97' Chrysler Minivan with the "My kid is an honor student
at XYZ High School" bumper sticker, she wonders if she forgot
The National Inquirer.
"Anna Nichole Smith is so glamorous", she says and orders
her children not to rip the rearview mirror off the windshield
as she heads back to retrieve her favorite hollywood digest.
| db | Day: 17
somebody mention climbing ????
One of my favourite hobbies until my accident.
| StAl | Day: 17
Good point Molly. I knew we were missing some artists. Stevie was the shit.
| Mistress of Mayhem aka Molly | Day: 17
hey everyone! greetings from hooterville, I loved Stevie Ray Vaughan things
he was in 80's got the pleasure of seeing him perform live,and actually met him.He was a truly nice man...wasn't all into the fame B.S.
I too liked INXS,they were a bar band that made it big....saw them in concert as well.Everyone there was dancing in their seats,down in aisles..it was great fun.
Jerry Harrison of Talking Heads came out with Casual Gods.I loved it to most of my fellow music buds chagrin..lol.The lyrics were mostly dark.I loved the fury and passion...all set to dance type music.And guys,he can play his ass off.
also recall a guy named Eric Johnson had something out that was decent..
Bill if ever my way drop by to see my Tats...lol That's TAT's fellas
Arlean try some bouldering first...you'll see. it's great.
Be Peaceful and Loving my GB friends.M.
| StAl | Day: 17
Disecting Bill's list we actually only arrive at a few good bands...
The B52's
Bruce Hornsby
The Clash
Dire Straits
Donald Fagen
Edie Brickell
Elvis Costello
INXS
John Mellencamp
Midniight Oil
Pete Townsend
Peter Gabriel (of course)
Police (and not Sting's 1st solo album -- Synchronicity)
Pretenders
REM
Steely Dan (barely counts)
Talking Heads (of course)
Tom Petty (hit and miss throughout this decade)
The Tubes
U2
Fucking Culture Club? Give me a break... Also, when I lump all the crap music of the 80's together, I'm not really talking about the whole decade. It really started to go downhill towards the end of 1981 and we started to see glimmers of hope starting late 87. However, throughout most of the Reagan years our musical culture sucked almost as bad as our political culture.
Admit it
Oh, and Bill... Alan Parsons music was great in the 70's but SUCKED in the 80's. Me thinks that's the point Chips was making. Which is also why Blondie din't make my list.
St(StillBeingObstinate)Al
| Chips | Day: 17
LOL - this place used to be alot more fun!
Back to the Ramones site for me - the 70's really, though I have fuzzy memories of their 80's concerts...
| Wrong Anne... | Day: 17
All these acts made music in the 80's...
Some of them formed in the 70's but the music was made in
the 80's. Keep this up and we may have to leave you back again.
At this rate you'll never graduate.
:)
| Chips | Day: 17
Hey Bill, you got yer 80's mixed up with your 70's....Don't you hate it when that happens?
| Bill | Day: 17
Oh, and I forgot The Alan Parsons Project.
:)
| Bill/Favorite Bands of the 80's | Day: 17
These were my favorites back then...
The Blasters
The B52's
The Bangles
Blondie
Bruce Hornsby and The Range
The Cars
Cheap Trick
The Clash
Culture Club
Cyndi Lauper
Dire Straits
Donald Fagen (Solo)
Don Henley
Edie Brickell and The New Bohemians
ELO (80's version)
Elvis Costello
Eurythmics
The Fixx
The Go-Go's
Herbie Hancock
Huey Lewis and The News (some of it was fun ok?)
INXS
John Cougar
John Fogerty (Solo)
The Kinks
The Manhattan Transfer (hey, they did a Fagen song...)
Men At Work
Midnight Oil
Missing Persons
The Motels (love Martha Davis...)
Pat Benatar
Pete Townsend (Solo)
Peter Gabriel
Phil Collins
The Police
Power Station
The Pretenders
The Psychedelic Furs (one of my favorite 80's bands)
Quarterflash
R.E.M.
Robert Palmer
The Scorpions
Simple Minds
Simply Red
Steely Dan (Gaucho)
Stray Cats
The Style Council (love "Ever Changing Moods")
Suzanne Vega
Talking Heads
Tears For Fears
Terence Trent D'arby
Timbuk 3
Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers
Tracy Chapman
The Tubes
U2
Van Halen
ZZ Topp
So, the 80's was'nt that bad musically speaking.
Funny, I don't seem able to name quite as many good bands
since the 90's began...
| Roy.Scam | Day: 17
Two Possible Internal Thought Trains Experienced At A Danfest:
A) "Now this is what I call sharing the things I know and love with those of my kind. My mind is libated, sensated,and staggered. These people are crazy and okay. Now I'm more worried about me being a disappointment to them than vice versa."
B) "Into WHAT have I gotten myself? (Even internally, one should never end a sentence with a preposition.) Who are these people? This is what I get for making acquaintences on the internet."
Here's hoping everyone of you that got together last week was an A. I wish I'd been there. Next time east coast. I have photographic proof that the St Al family is bicoastal.
Bad songs of the seventies: I'm hesitant to publically proclaim the badness of a song because 1) I like many of the songs previously maligned, and 2) I end up writing songs that sound like them and don't notice until some horrible moment years later while I'm publically perorming them. (Holy shit! I stole eight bars of "Killing Me Softly").
But I will defend the song "Midnight At the Oasis". And I'm sure you'll like it also if you see the definitive live version of it performed by Fred Willard and Catherine O'Hara during the audition scene of the movie "Waiting For Guffman".
My Danfan question for the day is: What's the appropriate response to the statement, "Steely Dan? Yeah , I think I like some of his stuff. Didn't he sing that one about A-19 ?"
Dr Mu~ Didn't ENRON also prop up the dead cows and sell them to the farmhands?
RS
| fezo | Day: 17
The Cure's greatest contribution to music was when their lead singer vanquished Barbara Streisand
| Yepp, May 5 it is. | Day: 17
ú 6 thank you.
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| Who gets to spend... | Day: 17
...his vacation in Spain?
The last date is extended to May 5, I think. Mr Schwinn's been hard to reach recently, but I'll check the page and I get back to you.
ó
| Howard | Day: 17
Hi gang ... back from my travels in Spain (seafood, sun, mountains, Alhambra, all very nice).
One quick Q - what's the state of play with the TM 2002? I made a start on transferring and dehissing a recording from cassette, but didn't get it done before I went away. Have submissions closed now?
Can't remember for sure my last 5 CD purchases, but probably these:
Bill Evans - conversations with myself
Djelimady Tounkara - sigui
Stravinsky - Petrushka/Pulcinella
Rufus Wainwright - Poses
Rickie Lee Jones - It's Like This
Just heard that Tom Waits has TWO new CDs out. Must get at least one of these. Has anyone heard them?
Howard
P.S missed the original Andy Summers plays Monk reference; just wanted to say this is a fine CD. Great arrangements of some great Monk tracks.
| T-Rex | Day: 17
went for my run,and thought of you....wondered if you still run on beach?Got your letter.Same argument we had way back babe.Only thing ever resulted was we both had battered and broken hearts...I've been thinking about loss and lies...they don't take your soul baby,but they can make you feel like it's not worth fighting for..I can't fight baby.I'm down for the count.KNOW THIS,
I loved you then,Ilove you now.
things are what they are....right people,wrong place and time.
M.
| db | Day: 17
Ha Ha Ha...StAl you'll love this one
http://www.nme.co.uk/news/101427.htm
| No Duncan... | Day: 17
...that wasn't for you. Streisand did some good music back when the bee-gee-bros still could write songs.
LISAAAA G!!!
Can you believe this; the Piano Tuner came this morning, I told you he was blind, but he wasn't, the old man wears a hearing aid! True, I thought it was some joke or canded camera or whatever. So I thought, hey, let's cut a deal here, I can't have a deaf man tuning my piano;
-Hey, I am a little short of cash this morning, I know you want 75 bucks for tuning the piano, but, let's make a deal, if you just tune this middle area of the piano, say... these four or five octavas, I usually never play up very high or down low, 37 bucks?
He just looked at me and I smiled;
-Hey, just kidding.
It took him two hours to finnish the tuning. When he was done, I sat down and played some fancy steely chord progressions... the old man looked at me, with some skepsis, saying;
-Oh, hmmm... so you are... tehe, that kind of player, well, I don't know anything about such... major and minor's good enough for me.
C
| Steveedan | Day: 16
Hi Aja -
I would have loved to have met you this past weekend. If you want a copy of the Pretzel Logic band CD mailed to you, please send me an e-mail with your mailing address, and I would be happy to get one to you. I should be back down in San Diego soon, so I hope that we can meet very soon.
Lisa G. - that story about Lyle, Pat and their parental guidance provided by Steve Rodby is very funny. Thanks for posting it.
Glad to see that people have made it safely back to their prospective hidey-holes after their weekends in San Diego.
Steveedan
| Aussie | Day: 16
Great colour on the West Coast DanFest: SteveeDan, the cute as pie Oleander, and Angel (followed your link and was pleasantly surprised)...thanks for sharing.
Dean Wurmer: Pumped for crayfish and cold cervezas (and maybe a Hurricane or two @ O'Brian's)....Also, did you get my cheque? I mailed it weeks ago. Another thing: Did you get the chanse to get your hands on the limited edition King Crimson tour compact disque "Level Five"?? Ina word: it kicks major league ass....If not, I'll bring it down with me...something tells me you've got disque burning capabilities at the wurm-hole.
Aja: Good idea to bring the boar bristle brush with you to N.O. I've been beyond bad.
Spending the week all alone...Babes is in California all week long for business...(June, you reading this?)
Great week everybody.
Aus
| | Day: 16
, = m
little *above* standard rock fare
| ╡ | Day: 16
St. Al: Which Talk Talk? They had 4m perhaps 5, distinctively different styles. Their debut featuring the eponymous hit was only a little standard synth-rock fare. It's My Life got a little weirder - which is good, and more lyrical. Mark Hollis and Tim Friese-Greene abandoned synth in Colour of Spring which features great songs and maybe Stevie Winwood's best supporting work. It is IMHO one of the best pop albums of the 80s. The follow-ups Eden and Laughing Stock completely abandoned *pop* and mix in Bartok, jazz, and au natureal Kraftwerk and are truly weird by any standards...It's takes about 6 years to GET Laughing Stock...I'll never have the patience for Eden, Mark Hollis truly marches to the beat of a different drummer...
Did we say XTC - Skylarkng? That's a Todd produced album, eh...
| StAl | Day: 16
Miz D: Tears for Fears were OK. First 2 albums were quite good. But I remember hearing bands like Bronski Beat, Talk Talk and quite a few other forgettables being brought up. Along with the Cure, those bands represent everything that was wrong with the music of the 80's. In fact, I'd have to say the Cure is a band I honestly and truly hate. I'd almost rather listen to Kenny G. Smiths are way up on the crap list too.
Sorry Aja. Good to hear you're ok though. Sorry we didn't have a chance to meet. I may be opinionated, but I really am a nice guy. Really.
St(opinionatedasshole)Al
| Speaking of Lyle | Day: 16
Stevee-Lyle/Spock is so analytical, a man after my own heart. HereÆs a blurb from an interview with Pat about their writing and recording process. I find the bit about Lyle quite amusing.
Pat:
ôlyle and i almost never sit there together and "write". we kind of play what we've got over and over and discuss what we DON"T have yet that we need, then kind of go off on our own and write it and then compare notes again. this process recently is often "produced" by our bass player, steve rodby, who provides us with a kind of "adult supervision" thing, keeping me from saying that everything we've done sucks and we should all kill ourselves and keeping lyle from obsessing on whether the retrograde inversion of the third four bars would be functionally interesting if super-imposed over the final 3 bar phrase as triplets etc. steve keeps us moving.ö
Borrowed with intense thanks from the Pat Metheny Group Listener Network.
http://www.patmethenygroup.com
LG
| Lisa G | Day: 16
Moo to Mew (Mu)-that's some funny stuff.
YGK, did you get my e-? comcast.net, brother, not .com.
Lars-whaddya think of PMG's new one, Speaking of Now? Still in ecstasy here in the states. Sorry folks, I keep going on about this.
stevie-good news, I'm starting to like We Live Here again. Listening to it non-stop for days now. I've obtained a set list from last Wednesday's show and will be organizing and posting some color (once I figure out the names of everything). Apologies for the lateness.
z-where are you? I've got a nice Puerling arrangement here with your name on it. Please check into headquarters pronto.
Spending Thursday night with Brahms. Gotta study.
angel-will check out your site. Gotta get to bed now in order to face the kiddies tomorrow.
| ╡ | Day: 16
MizD: You go Girl! I know the Cure and Smiths are buried in my dust bin somewhere...and don't all the major 90s bands (Weezer, Nirvana) except Ben de Folds owe muchas to The Pixies??
Summers plays Monk? Gotta get my head out of the sand..
| June | Day: 16
Yes, on The Cure, but Ward, what makes me scream seasick in Just Like Heaven?
| Aja.................................outta here | Day: 16
80's band that didn't suck: The Cure. Inconsistent but still around after all these years. I still like the early stuff best, especially "Japanese Whispers" and "The Head on the Door".
Aja
| angel | Day: 16
Sorry St. Al, I vote with the duck. :-)
| Miz Ducky | Day: 16
Hey, StAl--
Love ya, sweetie, but re your opinion of 80's bands:
1) I readily admitted that night that there were plenty of 80s bands who IMO did suck mightily (cf. Thompson Twins)
2) Reread what I wrote in my previous post about Tears for Fears;
3) Pppppppbbbbbbbbttttt!!!
4) :-)
/the Mam'zelle
(hey, if I can't be convincing, at least I can be colorful!)
| StAlphonzo | Day: 16
Geez, I dunno. Though I rarely watch Jerry Springer for more than 10 minutes at a time, but I like his show. It's damn funny. Certainly can't blame the messenger.
Bill: I know that's you... It's my personal opinion that anyone, anywhere in the world should never have more than 2 kids. Period. This planet doesn't need anymore people walking around polluting it. Not to offend anyone on this guestbook but it really amazes me no one over gives this any consideration when planning their families.
Last 5 CD's? Hmmm...
Mike Keneally & Beer For Dolphins -- Dancing (thanks Peg!)
Tool -- Lateralus
Phish -- Hampton Comes Alive
Justin Morrell -- The Music of Steely Dan
String Cheese Incident -- 03/10/1999
Miz D: If you remember correctly I was present at that conversation about 80's artists. Neither you or Kent made a convincing argument for any of those bands...
St(pig-headed)Al
| Aja...................zooming at a desk somewhere | Day: 16
Hey all,
Glad to see everyone had a great time at The Steely Damned show. No, I didn't make it-had to fly to Sacramento on business, just got back today. Am tired beyond belief, have the damn phone turned off so I can pretend I'm not here!
I'm sorry I didn't get to meet everyone, especially our patron saint of the GB who has made it possible for so many diverse people to intersect-and have great parties! I'll have to make it up to you, St. Al, and fly to Seattle sometime to catch up with the Northwest crowd. Thanks for your concern, I'm fine, just overworked! Thanks for making the CD, Stevee, I'll have to get it from you at the next 'fest. Looking forward to Jazzfest (another party originating from the GB) and getting away from it all in general.......
Aja
| dif | Day: 16
guest9...
for your information, i was surfing...
i have no interest in talking to you, ever.
| peg | Day: 16
Oleander -- please send me a quick e-mail; I can't seem to get a message through to you via the address you most recently posted here.
| ╡ - down on the farm | Day: 16
COW ECONOMICS
TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM:
You have two cows.
You sell one and buy a bull.
Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows.
You sell them and retire on the income.
ENRON VENTURE CAPITALISM:
You have two cows.
You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters
of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a
debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all
four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights
of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island company secretly owned by the majority shareholder who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company. The annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. Sell one cow to buy a new president of the United States, leaving you with nine cows. No balance sheet provided with the release. The public buys your bull.
AN AMERICAN CORPORATION:
You have two cows.
You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows.
You are surprised when the cow drops dead.
A FRENCH CORPORATION:
You have two cows.
You go on strike because you want three cows.
A JAPANESE CORPORATION:
You have two cows.
You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow
and produce twenty times the milk. You then create clever cow cartoon images called Cowkimon and market them World-Wide.
A GERMAN CORPORATION:
You have two cows.
You re-engineer them so they live for 100 years, eat once a month,
and milk themselves.
A BRITISH CORPORATION:
You have two cows.
Both are mad.
AN ITALIAN CORPORATION:
You have two cows, but you don't know where they are.
You break for lunch.
A RUSSIAN CORPORATION:
You have two cows.
You count them and learn you have five cows.
You count them again and learn you have 42 cows.
You count them again and learn you have 12 cows. You stop counting
cows and open another bottle of vodka.
A SWISS CORPORATION:
You have 5000 cows, none of which belong to you.
You charge others for storing them.
A HINDU CORPORATION:
You have two cows.
You worship them.
A CHINESE CORPORATION:
You have two cows.
You have 300 people milking them.
You claim full employment, high bovine productivity, and arrest the newsman who reported the numbers.
AN ISRAELI CORPORATION:
So, there are these two Jewish cows, right? They open a milk factory,
an ice cream store, and then sell the movie rights. They send their
calves to Harvard to become doctors. So, who needs people?
AN ARKANSAS CORPORATION:
You have two cows.
The one on the left is kinda cute.
| Duncan | Day: 16
Jerry Springer should be in fucking jail...end of story
| Dano | Day: 16
Last Five Doosers that i shelled out wedge for ..........
Elvis Costello. Blood And Chocolate
Prefab Sprout . Steve McQueen ( my tape broke in the car) had to renew this album for sure.
Tom Petty Greatest Hits. I like to put him up loud on the way to work to fire me up??
John Martyn. The Island Anthology album.
S Club 7 . ( That was for the wee man)
Last five times I had sex with my wife...........
We went to this party and .......oh shit gotta go she"s coming up the stairs.....
Regards Dano.
| Miz Ducky | Day: 16
Hi gang!
Only made it back from (not so) sunny San Diego late last night. Am now at work in a grogged-out state of mind, wishing I could blow off this corporate gig and make chasing the music my real job, but oh well. Will be writing up and posting my Danfest adventures shortly. In the meantime, here's the nutshell version: I went, I listened, I blissed out. Thank you thank you thank you to everyone there, everyone involved. And especially big ecstatic thank-yous to Lovebob and Peg--you guys are the best!
/the Mam'zelle
(back at the Seattle throttle again, more or less)
P.S. Damn! one of the San Diego dinner conversations was about music from the 1980s that did not in fact suck, and I was trying desperately to rememember the names of a couple of acts but could not due to, erm, overly liberal intake of relaxicants. But Talk Talk was one act whose name was on the tip of my inebriated tongue. Another was Tears for Fears--their album "Seeds of Love" especially is fucking brilliant IMO. Jazz influences, soul influences, and that heavily Beatles-esque title track. Fabulous!
| YGK | Day: 16
Lisa & Daddy G: your mail (both) is bouncing......wazzup with comcast.com?
I'm having trouble with both addys......
hlep!
ygk
| Legal Schizophrenia and the Irony of it all... | Day: 16
I know that legal questions are not the forte of this GB but
I've run across something so ironic that Steely Dan fans may
be the only ones capable of answering this question.
The state of Utah recently imprisoned a man for polygamy.
Apparently this guy fathered 32 children with numerous wives
(perhaps 10 or more). Therefore the state convicted him and
sent him to jail.
This would seem to make sense to most people. I mean, you just
dont marry 10 or 12 women and start making a whole lot of kids
that you can't even support. It's just wrong.
After giving this some serious thought it occured to me that
something else is wrong here... What about all those guys out
there that are having muliple children with multiple females
WITHOUT the benefit of marriage? Should'nt they be in jail too?
I mean it would stand to reason that if marrying 10 women and
having 32 kids is wrong, then NOT marrying those same women and
still having 32 kids with them would still be wrong, no?
Apparently not...
Keep in mind that the common denominators here are the 32 kids and
the 10 women. The only thing different is marriage. Therefore, the
following legal rule seems to apply;
Marry 10 women and have 32 children...Go To Jail.
Don't marry the 10 women and still have 32 children...Walk Free.
Hmmm...something doesn't add up here...
Perhaps the guy who married 10 women and had 32 kids with them
should be in jail. But should'nt all these assholes who are on
the Jerry Springer show, day in and day out, who sire off
a billion kids with a billion rave party chicks, should'nt
they also be in jail? Or should niether of the two be in jail?
Only Steely Dan fans are equipped to provide an answer to a legal
anomaly like this!
:)
| Lars | Day: 16
Last 5 bought:
Blindboys from Alabama - "Spirit of the century"
Paul mcCartney - "Ram"
Miles Davis - "Complete In a silent way sessions"
Pat Metheny Group - "Speaking of now"
Boz Scaggs - "Come on home"
L
| Steveedan | Day: 16
Hey Paul -
Thank you very much for the "way to go, kid".
I can now say that I have had the extreme pleasure of having played keyboards with all four Steely Dan tribute bands from Southern California ...
The Steely Fan Band (a.k.a. The Santa Ana Banana Band)
Doctor Wu (not in live performance, alas)
Pretzel Logic (still perfecting our act before going out in public)
and ... the incredible, the mighty, the unforgettable (Hi lovebob)
The Steely Damned.
This would never have happened if I did not hang out here for the past year, and it is amazing to me what great things have come my way in the past year.
(even Clas doesn't bother me ... ha ha.)
Paul ... send me your mailing address in e-mail OK Governor?
It's all been a big thrill (that I could never have bought)and, luckily, not a royal scam. (Barf bags all around, courtesy of Clas ...)
Hey someone, get a hose --
Steveedan (MD and keyboard man for Pretzel Logic)
| Fingers (in too many pies) Shotan | Day: 16
STEVEEDAN
Congrats on what was clearly a hugely successful and fantastic night for everyone involved......I was there in spirit with you at least...oh if only it could have been in person...drats!!!!You're a hero to sit in with a new band with only the hour to prepare.I KNOW how hard that is...we all do it slightly differently and those unexpected "pushes" and inflections can throw anyone not supremely on the ball. Steveedan you are quite clearly on (and way ahead of) the ball...respect indeed.
Love the new name...Pretzel Logic, an immediate identifier for Danfans and an intriguing label for those poor uninitiated souls. We share this identity in a tangential way through our friendship and association with Tristan Fabriani of Pretzel Logic and Analysis fame, San Fran.....could be a good omen methinks! Well done all round......keeping the spirit of the Dan LIVE and Kicking.
Duncan
Hiya...hope you and Linda and Dan are getting through together. Thanks for sending the CD to Steveedan.....please assure hime we're better than that in the gory flesh! Hope to see you in York soon or maybe South Shields next week? Be great to meet up again.
byeee for now...Shotan
| lp | Day: 16
duncan - LOL - did the babysitter pick up those cd's for you?! - too funny
i thought my alanis purchase was bad enough - whew!
| db | Day: 16
LOL... i did warn you all
Thanks anyway Clas
| exóuse me | Day: 16
(barf)
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| Duncan | Day: 16
My last Five
Cornershop's lessons learned from Rocky I to IV
Danny Steel Orchestra ''Live''
Barbara Streisend Best of
Kate Winslet What If
No Doubt Hey Baby
Look's rubbish when you write it down.
db
| ╡ | Day: 16
Last 5 CDs/DVD-A/vinyl listened to:
Charles Mingus - live
Joe Henderson - Our Thing
Neil Finn - Try Whistling This
Steely Dan - Two Against Nature (DVD-A)
Sad CafÄ - Sad CafÄ (vinyl - 1981)
| Zeke | Day: 16
Jazzfest is upon us.
It looks like the weather will be nice.
Ole, if your going to JF, lets hook up, you know how to find me.
(I'll be on a cart)
Last 5 CD purchases:
Clapton: Slow Hand
Kelly Joe Phelps: Roll Away The Stone
Little Feat: Waiting For Columbus
Rickie Lee Jones: Naked Songs
The Sky Is Crying: The History Of Elmore James
| Bill | Day: 16
I forgot to mention this CD...
"Nude On The Moon : The B52's Anthology" - The B52's
I've always loved the music of the B52's. They made some
music that really rocked, and they made some that was
really quite beautiful. My Favorites were "Private Idaho" ,
"Junebug", "Is That You Mo Dean?", "52 Girls", and "Roam".
Man, they made so many good ones it's hard to choose.
They be at Central Park Summer Stage in NYC on July 26th.
Should be a good time...
P.S.)
Did you all buy your lottery tickets today?
Keep in mind that $325 Million Dollars only goes so far these days.
:)
| C @ W | Day: 16
Says Elliot Scheiner:
I've been fortunate to record and mix many live records. In very few cases, the bands I've recorded usually perform well enough for a live audience. However, once the audience has the opportunity replay the performance it might not stand up as well as it did that night. That is usually true not only from the side of the band, but also from the recording side. Going back into the studio to repair the performance and the sound is something I've been accustomed to doing. It's allowed me the ability to get the show sounding the way I want the listener to hear it. I know this is a generic answer, but when you develop relationships with artists, they trust you to make it right and not talk about it. Hence no names.
| wormeto bergeono | Day: 16
hi gang
just back from a geology fieldtrip to Mexico
yes, Guadalahara won't do, but Monterrey did nicely
sierra madre montanatos were nice
Jazzfest Danfest is less than two weeks away
(email me for details if you are considering coming
bergeon@shellus.com)
sounds like the west coast contingent had a good time
last 5 discs poy chessed
remastered Brit import Rundgren's Wizard a True Star
John Paul Jones - the Thunderchief
The WHo Sell Out - with bonus cuts
Lester Young - verve years
Adrian Belew - Salad Days
wormy
| YGK | Day: 16
Last 5 Bought/listened to:
1. Taj Majal - "Phantom Blues"
2. John Lee Hooker - "His Best Chess Sides"
3. Mose Allison - "London, vol. 2" at Pizza Express
4. Dr. John - "Creole Moon"
5. Mingus - "the Jazz Experiments of....."
ygk
| Me so angry | Day: 16
Ha! Very good. Alanis owes much to the guy that dumped her [and, perhaps Lisa Loeb]
| Luckless Pedestrian | Day: 16
hey Molly!
last 5:
Love and Theft by Bob Dylan
Alanis Morrissette (sp) - her latest (either she's less angry or i'm more angry)
John Mayer - Room for Squares (do you have this yet?)
Jewel's latest - it's okay, not great
10K/Natalie Merchant - MTV Unplugged Live (but when were they plugged?)
happy tuesday to you, pooh
yes on ambrosia angel - with a wink to ge - brings back memories of high school boyfriends - lol
| Oh thank you so much Steeve, | Day: 16
www.katylied.tv
It's bookmarked.
Barf,
C
| Steveedan | Day: 16
To Moray Eel - about the Chicago based Steely Dan Tribute band Katy Lied. Go to their website and check out their promo. It is done like a radio spot. These guys sound really good, and I hope that they are in gear for a long time. Hoops mentioned this band on his site a couple of weeks back. He said that there were no SD trib bands to speak of in his locale, so if you go to see them, we would love to read your review of them. The website is www.katylied.tv
To Lovebob - it was a great pleasure to meet you and play in the band. Did we rehearse for an hour? I didn't know it was that long ... Please send my regards to the rest of the Damnedicians for me. Every one in Pretzel Logic sends their regards.
Lisa G. Lyle Mays = Mr. Spock? I can see what you mean. After all, it would be seen as ... logical. (Raised eyebrow added.) A balanced meal (Bananas and Pretzels) is always advised, don't you know? Actually, the Bananas are old, the Pretzels are new ... chew (and swallow Mr. President) at your own risk ...
Here's an open question to all of the interested musicians ... Play your CBAT CD/LP, compilation, whatever, and tell me ... do you think that Dirty Work is in C# ? or D? Or (what I really think) is it between these 2 keys?
Thanks to you Lisa and to ¦ for the pat on the back for the last minute transposition ... leave it to Clas to make a joke about this and then it really happens. Things that make ya go "Huh!".
Duncan - I have something for you ... I will be in touch. Say hello to Linda and little Danny for me.
| Jim# | Day: 16
Angel, Oleander, Stevee: Great color!
| Duncan | Day: 15
What a fantasic sounding weekend everyone.
I sujest after a few early nights, A large pat on the back to each & everyone involved.
& the colour...ohhh the colour, Sublime reading.
Photo's, Video & CD'S where would they live then...
A real pleasure just reading this stuff.
db
| moray eel (aka colossal testes) | Day: 15
Long time...
I am considering going to see a Chicago area Steely Dan cover band this weekend. I believe that they have christened themselves as Katy Lied (why is it that almost all of the Dan cover bands take their names from album titles?). Anyway, if there is anyone here that has seen them play before I would appreciate hearing your comments.
Also, apparently they are playing at a place called Harry's in Arlington Heights. Has anyone here been to this venue? If so, would you be able to encapsulate your experience there? Is this a biker bar? Do I need to bring my Taser or my tallith?
Last Five CD's:
1. Chet Baker/Art Pepper - The Route
2. Todd Rundgren - The Very Best of Todd Rundgren (disappointing)
3. Mauricio Kagel - Orchestral Works
4. John Coltrane - Soultrane ($8.99 at Tower. Cheap.)
5. Sonny Rollins - Finest Hour ($7.99 at Tower. Cheap.)
...and my brother keeps buying me Radiohead CD's. He's hoping that eventually I'll become a big fan. I think they are starting to grow on me.
m.e.
| angel (Finally giving her full report on the Danfest) | Day: 15
Well, better late then never. My impressions of the San Diego Danfest last weekend, are now residing on this web page. Click the link above, or copy this.
http://www.angelfire.com/mb2/bart/angel3.html
Lovebob: Good to see you survived Tucson.
St. Al: Glad that you made it home ok. I believe Aja is fine, just busy that day. I did manage to see my friend on Sunday. After she talked to us, she was sorry she missed the fun. Oh well.
Last 5 albums. Hmmmmm. Minus Steely stuff, I assume.
Ambrosia: Anthology
Me, Myself and Irene (well, semi Steely)
3 albums of music by Hank Easton (All original, no Steely Stuff)
Now, if you ask me what I would buy if I had some money.... :-)
| oleander...................double take | Day: 15
............EDD! Lurker of lurkers! Pretenders, yesss.
| oleander | Day: 15
Only reason I'm up is 'cause I rolled over and fell outta bed.... That exhausted from Danathon West! First to Seattle and, relieving my dense 3-day raison de voyage, an elegant and relaxing evening with the Steely Magnolias of the Northwest, Ti Bon Ange, Miz Ducky, and SueDave. Sharp as whips and gleefully applied. Many thanx to TBA for a little Kerouac to keep me company. And thanx to Seattle for actual sunshine.
Ever fly Southwest? Reminded me of Blade Runner. But got to SD in one piece, loitered sinfully, and caught up with the St. Alphonsos, every last one of 'em. Thanx you guys for your hospitality and a much-needed kid hit. Those grrls are the living end. Many thanx to Super Solar Man and Spouse for letting me crash with them too.
Friday night, La Duck and I made our way with mounting excitement to the Tiki Room, perfect in every detail except sans torches, and who to my wondering eyes should appear but Jive Miguel!! Last seen at Raleigh '00 and looking much less dangerous. Call it sleep, man! And Hat2Flat, you are a MANIAC!! Ring that Damned Pavlovian bell, and DanFans exude from holes in the woodwork nationwide. Steveedan, mucho gusto and thanx for the sneak preview cd!
Rockola--well, what can I say except thank God for no wigs and lace. Pure Beatles with no distractions except lovebob's toes. Fantastic renditions.
... and then the The Damned! I was not aware of much else since they tend to trance me out--steveed, fine job on keys, and an 88 key wide smile. The horn section was relaxed but don't be fooled, they were ON, ON, ON with buttery, sly blends where you least expected. As Peg said, bass and both drummers and keys undermine your sanity without you suspecting until it's too late.... And oh, the lovely and talented Peg. Where DID you get those shoes? What missed notes? Ruby and Mark also harmonizing devilishly.... I am speechless about Hank Easton. So subdued and so on FIRE. I'm in the camp which loves the original solos but wants to hear embellishments, imagination, punning, flights of pure brainfree reflex arc. And Hank does it all, while blending, not grandstanding.
OK so I am NOT speechless, nor about the peerless lovebob either, but I am inarticulate. How do I love those vocals, guit, sit, Zappaesque conduction and Pynchonian trance state? Let me count the ways!
Highlights: "Jack of Speed," "Second Arrangement." Um, and everything else.
Many thanx to all those who shlepped me around in SD--Miz D, the Eds, and especially Jive M. Pleasure to hang.
But that's not all! Headed up to LA to visit my niece, and had lunch and a cruise with JDubs. SkateZappaSoCalifas mensch--what a pleasure. Thanks for your time and warmth and youness. And the offspring are nuts about the skate stuff. You are now officially a god.
Yeah, I had a pretty good time. Which would not have been possible without St. Al, the lovely and dancealicious Missus St. Al, angel, Big Ed & Missus Ed, the Solars, Miz D, the Pinks, Jive Miguel, Hat2Flat, the Boston Rag guy, the steveedans, and the rest of the rowdy crew. Hey, next time can I take a couple sax players home with me?
All this and Father William next week too. Call me when you hit town!
Now back to our regularly scheduled vicissitudes.
| Lisa G | Day: 15
Yeesh, Clas I used to know a visually impaired piano tuna from back in PA. Must be some sort of thang.
I'm not really a big spender.
Last five CD's purchased over the course of 9 months:
1. Pat Metheny Group-Speaking of Now (just tonight, and I'm in love)
2. Stevie Wonder-Innervisions
3. Bread-The Best of Bread
4. PMG (again)-Imaginary Day
5. SD-Pretzel Logic (for my brother, not me)
I think Lyle Mays is like Mr. Spock. Except with all that emotion.
LG
| lovebob | Day: 15
So very much to say, so little mind.
Thanks to everyone, and I mean everyone. Whether you were in the band, subbing in the band, or coming from points far and further to listen to the band, it took everyone and everything to get that ship into the air. Yeah we scraped the ground a few times but there was sure some soaring moments as well. In the "above and beyond the call of duty" catagories: Steve Chernove (aka Stevee Dan) and Claudio Martin who litterally made the first set possible by filling in (both with very short notice) on keyboards and guitar respectively. For those of you who think that this was maybe not such a big deal (especially since Stevee D is a Steely tribute keyboardist) imagine a pro runningback from one NFL team filling in for another with 1 hr of practice.
ok, more later.
lovebob
| Ms. Molly | Day: 15
hi everyone my 5 list some were bootlegged from friend not bought....
1.Gillian Welsh (Time) not as good as her other 2, especially Revival
2. Buckwheat Zydeco (Down Home Live)
3. David Sanborn (Pearls) old but still great
4.Dylan (Time and Theft) been sentimental this week have listened to Oh Mercy a lot as well....
5. soundtrack from (Down from the Mountain)
bootlegged from friend
thinking about the purchasing Hiatt's latest if as good as Bill says should be worth listening to.
| Peg | Day: 15
St. Al:
The Steely Damned....don't forget the The
| StAl | Day: 15
Howdy gang!
Finally have sometime to sit down in front of a computer (at work that you very much). Whoa nelly was that a great time or what? Rockola and the Steely Damned in the same night! CouldnÆt have asked for anything better. It was fantastic meeting everyone. The only person who appeared to be missing was Aja û which is someone I thought for sure would have been there. I hope sheÆs OK. Please check in if youÆre reading this. I got some great pictures of the whole thing, including a large group shot at the end of the gig. Should have them posted by the weekend.
IÆm not very good at providing color; weÆll have to leave it to someone else. Suffice to say a good time was had by all. Rockola handled the Beatle tunes wonderfully. Really enjoyed the selection. Both versions of the Steely Damned were a real treat. Considering Stevee had never played with this band before he did a remarkable job. Hank Easton is an amazing guitar player. Haitian Divorce was a real gas. Talk box and all. However, one of the nightÆs biggest highlights for me was their rendition of Two Against Nature û a very difficult song to sing and play.
As usual I enjoyed partying with everyone. Again IÆll say itÆs the reason I continue to put as much effort into the site as I do. I really enjoy the extended network of friends. All in all it was one of the best vacations weÆve taken in a long time. Stella was remarkable. Only time she threw a real fit was after standing in the airport line for 3 hours after Alaska Airlines screwed us. Actually, I must say it was a well-timed fit. When the stupid customer service agent told us weÆd have to wait 9 hours in the airport, I simply pointed at Stella and said, ôWould you care to watch her?ö
IÆm just sorry I didnÆt get to spend more time with lovebob. I still owe him a drink too. I tried to buy him a shot of Jack Daniels but was nearly run over by one of their groupies wearing a Steely Damned shirtà Next time I guess.
Sorry about missing the SteelyFanBand gig in Long Beach on Saturday. As I suspected, after partying ll night on Friday, not getting to sleep until 4 AM and then being woken by Stella at 7 AM, I was in no shape to handle to drive back to LAà If it wasnÆt for our most gracious host (name withheld to protect the innocent) I wouldnÆt have been able to function at all on Saturday evening.
Better living through pharmacologyà
Not sure when I'll be able to catch up on the previous 10 days of posts to the guestbook. May not even happen so if you're expecting a response to a post, please try again.
StAl
| Bill | Day: 15
Last 5 CD's Purchased,
"Anthologyland" - The Motels
"Just Like Gravity" - CPR (Crosby, Pevar & Raymond)
"Love and Theft" - Bob Dylan
"Should God Forget : A Retrospective" - The Psychedelic Furs
"Barefoot On The Beach" - Michael Franks
All Good...
*Incidently, Jeff Pevar would make an excellent addition to
the Steely Dan lineup - WWW.Pevar.com)
| Molly Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 15
Send lawyers,guns and money...Oh sorry this is Steely Dan site :}
Hi everyone sounds like a good time was had by all at musical going ons...
I'm so jealous,would love to hear you guys play.
I went climbing this weekend..the countryside is beginning to green up,was a good time.Would like to hear from other Dan fans into rock-climbing and/or caving.
luckless pedestrian and l-upside down r(how do you do that?) liked your posts,had great fun with Ward &June posts.thanks for your support concerning "Billy Don't be a Hero" a song called "Chick-a-boom" also came to mind...and one called "Bertha Butt" remember them from am radio way back when:}
T-Rex, I thought our little wild time had just begun...would still love to hear from you.
Stevee,hope you and family are well.Bill,Dif,and all others it is always a pleasure talking with you.Nicest G.B. ever been to...
thanks for having me St.Al
be peaceful and loving my friends M.
| Dano | Day: 15
I tell you what, reading you guys reporting on the Danfest , Peg , Angel , WIP, Steeve, and all of you its great to read and imagine all that was going on , i have been at home today but went through the GB Reports and was having a great time just thinking about it . Well done all you top people and glad you had a great craic and any pictures would complete the story .
Superb people, truly superb
Dano.
| Edd | Day: 15
Joyce Cooling - "Third Wish"
Ravi Shanker - "Chants Of India", produced by George Harrison
Diana Krall - "Look Of Love"
The Pretenders - "The Pretenders"
Tom Harrell - "Paradise", I LOVE this CD. Still.
| Randy | Day: 15
Steely-folk:
What is everyone listening to these days? Dare I say it appears to be time for "What Are The Last Five CDs You Bought/Listened To?"
1. Dr. John - 'Creole Moon' (2001)
2. Lee Morgan - 'Taru' (1968)
3. Andy Summers/John Etheridge - 'Invisible Threads' (1993)
4. Horace Silver - 'Blowin' The Blues Away' (1959)
5. Russell Malone - 'Black Butterfly' (1993)
Randy
NIGHTFLY62@aol.om
| C @ W | Day: 15
Yes sugar, cubism it is.
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| Meg Ryan | Day: 15
Oh Clas!
Like Picasso!!
Cubism!!!
| And BIG right ear: | Day: 15
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| It's not that I aint got serious work to do; | Day: 15
but this little dude is pretty cool isn't he?
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Scary.
C
| Testing. Testing. Testing. | Day: 15
Sunglasses smiley:
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| Testing. | Day: 15
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| Good, he's coming Wednesday... | Day: 15
... he's pretty cheap, 75 bucks.
I can send him to New Brunswick if that's okay with you? Wadda ya say Lisa G? But you have to pay for the air-tickets. And meet him at Newark, and no, he can't drive, he's blind.
C
| C @ W | Day: 15
Thanks Lisa G, piano tuned, me too, got to make a call.
C
| ╡ - before there was Cousin Dupree | Day: 14
I'm impressed and truly frightened how quickly the GB denizens identified the tune Clair. What is even more frightening, is that the lyrics to the song are easily snagged on the 'web:
Clair, the moment I met you I swear
I felt as if something somewhere
Had happened to me
Which I couldn't see, and then
The moment I met you again
I knew in my heart we were friends.
It had to be so
It couldn't be no
But try as hard as I might do I don't know why
You get to me in a way I can't describe
Words mean so little when you look up and smile
I don't care what people say,
To me you're more than a child
Oh! Clair, Clair.
Clair, if ever a moment so rare
Was captured for all to compare
That moment is you
It's all that you do
But why in spite of our age difference do I cry
Each time I leave you I feel I could die
Nothing means more to me than hearing you say
I'm going to marry you
Will you marry me Uncle Ray?
Oh! Clair, Clair.
Clair, I've told you before
Don't you dare
Get back into bed
Can't you see that it's late
No you can't have a drink
Oh! all right then but wait just a bit
While I, in an effort to baby sit,
Catch of my breath what there is left of it.
You can be murder at this hour of the day
But in the morning this hour
Will seem a lifetime away
Oh! Clair, Clair
| Snidely Sniedersnipper, ESQ. | Day: 14
Being that I represent Gilbert O'Sullivan's estate (he committed suicide shortly after the recording of "Alone Again, Naturally"), I feel compelled to remind you that it was "Claire".
I should think that you would be more impressed by GOS's stunning use of long-lined, almost neo-Baroque phrases and highly unorthodox use of half-diminished chords than the bridge to "AAN", but, yes, that was very nice also.
But what of my other clients' work? Surely, "Muskrat Love's" use of chromatic maj7th chords and pleasant melody, outlining a major 7th chord
are worthy of consideration.
And Minnie's 20 octave voice is no slouch either. Sure, it's a little repetitive, but it was written to showcase Ms. Ripperton's woderous vocal prowess.
Mr. Manifold stands on his own.
Snidely Snippersnider ESQ
| Lisa G | Day: 14
Hey jj-I'm not sure about the firewall issue, but I know that my e-mail software has a dandy little preference where I can receive mail from only the addresses in my addressbook. Perhaps that is the situation here.
I'm positive that New Brunswick, NJ was stolen from England.
| jjeff | Day: 14
Lisa G:Can a firewall stop personal e-mails? 'cause there's one on this box. Couldn't tell ya. The only e-mails I get are one's I solicit for. Nice of you to try though. So N.B.'s a town/city, eh? Which came first:-)
MU: Was Claire about a babysitter? I never listened to the lyrics. It was a song I heard while waiting for the bus. You bring back a lot of memories and I could lay in this pool of nostalgia all night twiddling my toes, but I'll just add the Furs debut album Talk Talk Talk. Guitars that seemed barely under control with a loud crash cymbal thrown in whenever they noticed it( oh yeah, hit the fucker). The strangest lyrics this side of SD, I think they were just phrases stuck together:" they just put on wigs and stuff so they can be themselves,all this goes on all the time so I don't go down there, it goes on and then it goes around again." Verbal posing parodies, a riot.
| Lisa G | Day: 14
Sounds like the SD festers had a blast. Wish I was there. Congrats on your Dirty Work save, stevee, and best wishes with the newly formed Bananas and Pretzels. Hi Peg! Nice to read your post. And angel give us more please.
jjeff-I tried to e-mail you, but it got returned. New Brunswick for me is in New Jersey. We people from the states can be so ego-centric, sometimes--LOL.
It's for you, Stevie--I've come down from my high and will have a short post on the new and improved Pat Metheny Group post-concert thoughts, posthaste. I've spent most of the weekend on the PMG Listener Network--mostly reading posts in the songbook forum on corrections, but I've managed to get some laundry in. Gotta get my piano tuned soon, as it is driving me nuts.
Also, regarding the Dixie Dregs, perhaps I was a little harsh, seeing as I have forgotten from whence they came. I'm all into that, but I can't help but feeling like Steve Morse failed to evolve into the composer everyone thinks he is. I think the earlier stuff was better.
Ciao for now.
LG
| ╡ | Day: 14
Steve - congrats, especially on the C# recovery...hope more reports trickle in
Certainly O' is far from Gilbert & Sullivan's "Three Little Maids." The lyrics are whack, but I thought the bridge to the song was the saving grace of "Alone Again, Naturally." Anybody remeber, the follow-up about the baby-sitter? Those were more innocent times. Today, that's part of the "Men are Pigs" series on Lifetime...
Gratuitous Neil Finn update. Amazon.com is now pre-ordering One All, which features 2 new songs not on One Nil, and 4 remixed songs compared with the import. The release date on Nettwerk is now 5/21. The first single for radioplay has been confirmed as Driving Me Mad...one of the album's finest tracks and 10 times better than any of the crap on the radio...naturally it will probably drop into Clear Channel hell early to join great singles that should have been #1 from Neil's past: Better Be Home Soon, Sister Madly, Fall At Your Feet, Four Seasons in One Day, Distant Sun, Pineapple Head, Sinner, and She Will Have Her Way...evidently some of these sold pretty well in England along with Weather With You...
St.Al: There was plenty of bad stuff in the 80s, but there was the Police, Elvis Costello, Graceland, Joshua Tree, 3 great Peter Gabriel albums, Talking Heads, REM, Prefab Sprout, 3 solid Dire Straits albums, Talk Talk, 2 excellent Tom Petty albums to bookend the decade and others...I kinda liked some of the Alternative scene that later became grumpy grunge: Echo and the Bunnyman, The Replacements, etc. I found for brief times pop radio more listenable in the 80s htan the 70s or 90s, but that's not saying much...The key was a dwindling lack of choice - a trend that has progressed become extreme outside internet radio today...
But we all try to block out:
(1) David Foster - soundtracks from crap like Secret of My Success, really bad Chicago ballads, tried to scew up Jarreau with his 2 dimensional Yamaha keys, and later cost Mr. Fagen a Grammy in '94 (for 'Kama in '93) by (over)producing Witless Houston...
(2) Hair bands
(3) most rap
(4) Madonna
(5) Eurodisco, Human League
| Gilbert O'Sullivan, Barry Manifold, Minnie Ripperton, and the Captain and Tenille | Day: 14
I represent the above artists who are suing you for defamation of character and tin ears.
If you think "Lovin' You", "Muskrat Love" "Alone Again, Naturally", and most of Barry Manifold's output are worse than "Billy, Don't Be a Hero" and "The Night Chicago Died", you are to report to the Pop Singers' Old Age Home immediately and answer to these charges.
Esq. Snidely Sneidensnippet
| jjeff | Day: 14
Well, Stevee, Angel, Peg, and all, it sounds like you all had a great time.
I'm glad and green. Nice to hear people can get together and just have fun.
Gina: I was listening to Dutch radio last night; a program called Roughly Speaking. The topic was non-smoking areas, which you have but are not enforced. Interesting. Our province is in the process of legislating all public places to be non-smoking. I don't know if it'll pass or not. There are quite strict laws now as to where you can smoke.
Heard some cuts off of Michelle Shocked's new CD, Deep Natural. Sounded good enough that I will buy it. It also has a remixed version included called Dub Natural. Don't know her other stuff.
MC: Thanks for the link. A friend lends me his Skynews for a week or so and I try to write down the highlights, but inevitably leave stuff out. P.S. The leopard frogs have joined the peepers. Bullfrogs and toads have yet to vocalize. Then orchestral croons in the dark begins.
A co-worker's sister died last night here in the hospital. I sent her flowers two days ago while she was home. I hope she was coherant enough to enjoy them. What can you do?
And it's been raining all weekend. Thursday, I tore the roofing shingles off of the back entrance and never bother to lay a tarp on, after, since I was tired and it was too cold( lazy). So the gyp-rock ceiling may be on the floor when I get home tomorrow. Surprise me Lord.
| Hey... | Day: 14
Gina? What is this shit;
ôso guyz .. when can weö
Just asking,
C
| Country & Western | Day: 14
Okay Steeve;
Steeve - lucky for you it wasn't "Aja".
---
Hi Gina! Is it still cold down there?
C
| Steveedan | Day: 14
Clas - Gaucho is an easy song. You should have said Aja ... and speaking of Aja, I am guessing that she was not there because I tried to meet everyone at the show and did a pretty good job of it. I made a few extra CDs of our new Pretzel Logic band, one of which was for Aja.
If she wants a copy, all she has to do is ask me for it.
And now, here on April 14, I have to finish my taxes. Nothing like getting it done early, huh? (Anyway ... what's THAT like?)
Stevee-taxman-Dan (MD for PL)
| Gina | Day: 14
hey Clas :-)
so guyz .. when can we expect pictures of that GB assembly????
Banyan Tree Do You Know The Way In San Diego Bow,
G.
| Clas @ Work | Day: 14
Steeve - lucky for you it wasn't "Gaucho".
And hey man, did you miss Aja? The prettiest girl in da saloon...
C
| tim | Day: 14
gotta change my screen name.........(on aol) have all Steely Dans released music. some that they would probably be rather.....well any way... lets have the new one from the greatest musicians in the world! God bless them.
| Steveedan | Day: 13
My still-under-wraps Steely Dan Tribute band was unveiled last night. When Bob Tedde introduced me to the audience during the show, he mentioned my being from Los Angeles and a member of The Steely Fan Band and then he asked what was the name of my new band. Someone in the audience screamed "Pretzel Logic". Well there you have it. Keep an eye out for Pretzel Logic. We gave some CDs to all of the guest book VIP's I mentioned in my previous post.
We plan to start gigging with in a month or so.
To all in The Steely Damned - I want to thank you for the warm welcome that you have given me. You all made me feel at ease, and you were all a pleasure to work with. If you need me to fill in again, please do not hesitate to let me know. Thank you one and all.
To Peg (one half of the groovacious team) -- I was the guy shooting the video.
Just call me ...
Stevee-cameraman-Dan
| Steveedan | Day: 13
Hope everyone's weekend is going well. My band mates and I returned from San Diego today after staying up practically all night after The Steely Damned gig last night.
Those from the guestbook who were there were ... St. Al, Angel, Miz Ducky, Oleander, Ed Beatty, W1P and Mrs. W1P, Craigster, and "Mike" from Idaho (I can't remember his handle). I don't know if Aja was there because I don't know her (yet), but I am sure that she will post soon and let us know ...
Well, ... Rockola's Beatles' set was great. lovebob was the lead singer (of course). They played Hey Bulldog, And Your Bird Can Sing, Lady Madonna, The Ballad Of John And Yoko, Taxman, Badfinger's If You Want It Here It is, and a few others. Also it was "Mrs. W1P's birthday, so they also played Birthday.
After a short break the first of 3 Steely Damned sets began. Hank Easton and Mark (on keyboards) were both playing at other gigs and were not at the Catamaran until the beginning of the 2nd set (which is why Bob asked me to play the first set with them). Subbing for Easton was Claudio Martin, who handled the guitar leads for Josie, Rikki, and Any Major Dude with ease. In this first set we also played Doctor Wu, Black Cow, Dirty Work, and Bad Sneakers.
For you Clas --- I have been playing Dirty Work for over 2 and a half decades in D. TSD plays it in C#. I found out in the sound check. I had to transpose the song on the spot. I don't think anybody noticed.
My position was up on the rear right side of the stage (as viewed from the audience). Directly in front of me were Claudio (guitar) and the two beautiful and groovacious singers Ruby and Peg. To my right was Jim on Bass, and Gary on drums. I couldn't have asked for a better position (except maybe missionary ... sorry ...).
The second and third TSD sets were great. Among the songs played were The 2nd Arrangement, Kid Charlemagne, Don't Take Me Alive, Two Against Nature, I Got The News (with a live fade out at the end ... unbelievable!), Peg, Do It Again, King Of The World, Haitian Divorce, Gaucho, My Old School, Bodhisattva, Jack Of Speed, Pretzel Logic, Night By Night, and Kings.
Masterful performances by everyone in the band. A truly great evening.
It was a very late night for The Steely Damned as well because they had to tear down the stage in the Kon Tiki ballroom and get ready to get to the airport by 6 AM for their Saturday night gig in Arizona.
Stay tuned for part 2 of the story ...
Steveedan
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 13
sounds like everybody in San Diego is having a good time....did St. Al make it?
a link to the planetary grouping this month:
http://astronomy.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/000/812ciedb.asp
| angel | Day: 13
Still down here in San Diego and as Peg reported, we are quite a mess (lack of sleep does that to you). :-)
Will contemplate color at some other time, since I am posting from the lovely local library with only 2 internet computers. But for now, we are eternally grateful to Lovebob for managing to pull this thing together and still hop a flight at 6A this morning, for another gig tonight. That took dedication folks, on his part and the other memebers of Rockola. Also, the fact that several memebers had gigs ahead of The Damned show was another thing they were dealing with and still they put out 110%. I was so impressed. Thanks to Peg, for everything she did behind the scenes. Peg, you are the best!
More later.
| W1P | Day: 13
No time for details but it was so much fun -- that's it, the bottom line. I had a particular treat going at times last night because "J" -- the singer for The Steely Fan Band -- was sitting at my table doing dead on Michael McDonald parts while TSD was blasting at me from the stage. That made my experience truly unique. So many GBers from all over -- it was wonderful. It really reminds me of why I like participating here -- to share our love for this music and to get to know special people from around the world. "The band was just fantastic, the 15 member Damned, oh by the way, which one's Dan?" [Peg -- next year we'll give you a heads up on April's birthday -- Dano -- Aja blows my mind on a daily basis -- her most recent trick is filling in words when "DaDa" sings "So Happy Together" -- Dada: "Imagine Me and You." Aja: "I do"]
| Peg | Day: 13
Dan Fest Friday night... many details to be reported, but my fingers aren't functioning real well right now. The night started off a little shakey, for me. I mean, how was I supposed to know it was W1P's wife's birthday, and that Rockola would play Birthday, and that I should have the percussion memorized after 8 years of playing Beatles material with them??? Whoops.
The The Damned with sit-ins... it went well, was fun, but we were all on our toes. Everyone watching everyone else to make sure they knew the subtle cues that happen throughout the songs, etc. Steve and Claudio did excellent performances, as did the sax player (whose name I don't remember - sorry).
Then Hank and Mark showed up, and after a 20 minute (seemed like 45) changeover, everything took off! I know that's when I finally let go and just had a great time. Besides the obvious (Hank), I couldn't keep my ears off of Gary Taylor (drums) and Jim Reeves (bass). Oh, and Doug Booth's guitar fills during King of the World - while playing keys at the same time.... how does he DO that? Hank had my skin covered in goose bumps during Third World Man - that's why hit 2 bad notes in the 1st chorus, I swear.
And Bob, just gotta lovebob. He plays, he sings, he conducts, he arranges, he charms. And all without shoes on.
I'll be meeting some more Dan fest people this evening for drinks and dinner. One of them will post a full report, I'm sure. There were many photos taken, and I think someone was video taping. Although it doesn't belong to me, I have an audio recording on CD in my possession.
Right now, I'm going to take a nap.
Peg
| Runaway? | Day: 13
Young women in Atlanta used to refer to their private parts as "janers."
| dif | Day: 13
chat anyone?
| Clas @ Work | Day: 13
Stevie - ok. I was thinking about those early, small sequencers, no monitors, just a small display-window. You had to save your work on tape. Ordinary cassettes.
C
| woops | Day: 13
forgot to say
hey there nmn, was at the inn yesterday for a planners meeting on contract zoning (everything i know about planning i learned from the mob) and i thought of you as i strolled through downtown before making my way back to work - sigh - i do miss it out there
anyway - did you know that a judge will not overturn a town's zoning decision even if the motivation for the votes was due to bribery? direct quote - no shit
learn somethin new every day
| luckless pedestrian | Day: 13
the webbed feet would be great for swimming, i would think
| molly | Day: 13
Still thinking about coyotes and how they'll lure a pet away from it's home,surround it and then rip it to pieces.Sometimes if one of the pack gets too much blood on it,the others will mistake it for the prey.They kill their own kind.People do that too sometimes....
We really aren't much different
| steviedan | Day: 12
clas, that would be a qx3. in fifteen years we have replaced one disc drive due to champagne contamination (from an overactive new years crowd, but it even made it through the gig !) i still use the same floppys, labels worn off on the edges by sweat, etc. has NEVER let us down. knock on banyan wood. our band from japan...
stephen bishop's last album (1996) was called "blue guitars". produced by andrew gold and quite nice...
tonite there was a reunion at the bar we houseband at, of all the old employees through the years. this in honor of the guy who used to own it and who hired us 11 or so years ago and who has recently passed. lotta love in that room tonite and an outstanding gig...
| Also known as the... | Day: 12
...Knoxville Intercourse.
That's been going on for ages back in the Appalachians. Take a closer look at Bruce Hornsbys, Elvis and Bill Clintons cheekbones.
C
| Honey, how you've grown... | Day: 12
Contrary to widely held beliefs and longstanding taboos in America, first cousins can have children together without a great risk of birth defects or genetic disease, scientists are reporting on Thursday. They say there is no biological reason to discourage cousins from marrying.
| ╡ | Day: 12
Devolution - whip it good:
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,9801,00.html
film at 11 - sorry we only have 8
| lp at home | Day: 12
just watched phish on austin city limits and really liked them...
am i okay?
| ╡ | Day: 12
My next door neighbor's is fondly known as "rat-dog."
| Bill | Day: 12
jjeff,
I agree with you, John Hiatt is one of the top songwriters, but
"Crossing Muddy Waters" and "The Tiki Bar Is Open" don't really
sound very much alike. Crossing Muddy Waters was strictly a
folk release by Hiatt. It was nominated for folk album of the
year last year. With "The Tiki Bar Is Open" John returns to a
his former rock roots give or take a few songs on the album.
My favorite line from Tiki Bar?
You got kids
I got kids
They all wanna know
Just what it was like when we were young
I tell em' I'm no different now just late for the show
So grab your Aqualung
The loading has begun...
***from "My Old Friend" ***
| Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 12
perhaps coyote and chihuahua are same species;but around these parts chihuahua is known as coyote "bait".A good thing to keep in mind....
| ╡ - Jim Crow stem cells | Day: 12
From "Science" home of the chimp article:
Separate But Equal: U.S.researchers
who want to work on new,unapproved
human embryonic stem (ES)cell lines
need not flee to privately funded labs,fed-
eral officials clarified last month.They can
stay in their academic labs,as long as they
follow existing accounting rules for what
can and **can +t be charged to federal grants.**
Last August,the National Institutes of
Health (NIH)began reviewing rules that
ban mixing federal and private funds
after President George W.Bush limited
federal funding for ES cell research to
60-odd lines.In anticipation of Bush +s
decision,some stem cell researchers
had moved their studies to special off-
campus buildings.But after lengthy
analysis,NIH says that +s not necessary.
In a 29 March Web posting,NIH
says that researchers can derive or use
unapproved cell lines "in your university-
supported laboratory "as long as they don +t
bill the federal government for the work and
the university "has in place a method of sep-
arating "overhead costs."Many people were
nervous "about how to proceed,says stem
cell researcher George Daley of the White-
head Institute in Cambridge,Massachusetts.
"This is reasonable and very helpful."
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 12
jjeff....thanks for the tip! I'm off that night and just got a new adapter to hook my digital camera up to the scope....now if we just have clear skies I'll be in business!
hope all is going well for the San Diego Dan Fest.....hope to see a report from some of you soon....have fun but be careful out there.
| ╡ | Day: 12
~ and other gear sluts:
DVD-A uses in the 2 channel mode 24 bit sampling at 192 KHz rate with
a 144 dB dynamic range while a CD player uses 16 bit sampling at 44.1
kHz rate with a 96 dB dynamic range. Sounds like vinyl with the noise
reduction of CDs and more dynamic range. The limiting factor may be
your receive and speakers. One day communication will be done in pure
digital through firewire cables (IEEE 1394). Put the signal into the
CD or other high fidelity mode (Auxillary mode is not hi fidelity).
Also, you do have to program today's DVD-As using your TV monitor to
either the 5.1 or stereo mode...
DVD-V/A players (I have a JVC) can play CDs and CD-Rs easily (with
slight imporvement over my current CD player. The Immortal said
within the next 5 years all new albums will be releeased as as DVD-A
and/or Sony's SACD and "Universal" chips have been developed now to
play all media...
Basics:
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/pubs/spectrum/9910/dvd.html
http://micasastudio.com/info/mpga.htm
also:
DVD-Audio players (and universal players) work with existing receivers. They output PCM and Dolby Digital, and some will support the optional DTS and DSD formats. However, most current receivers can't decode high-definition, multichannel PCM audio. and even if they could it can't be carried on standard digital audio connections. DVD-Audio players with high-end digital-to-analog converters (DACs) can only be hooked up to receivers with 2-channel or 6-channel analog inputs, but some quality is lost if the receiver converts back to digital for processing. Future receivers with improved digital connections such as IEEE 1394 (FireWire) will be needed to use the full digital resolution of DVD-Audio.
[3.6.1] Details of DVD-Audio and SACD
LPCM is mandatory in DVD-Audio discs, with up to 6 channels at sample rates of 48/96/192 kHz (also 44.1/88.2/176.4 kHz) and sample sizes of 16/20/24 bits. This allows theoretical frequency response of up to 96 kHz and dynamic range of up to 144 dB. Multichannel PCM is downmixable by the player, although at 192 and 176.4 kHz only two channels are available. Sampling rates and sizes can vary for different channels by using a predefined set of groups. The maximum data rate is 9.6 Mbps.
The WG4 decided to include lossless compression (it's about time!), and on August 5, 1998 approved Meridian's MLP (Meridian Lossless Packing) scheme, already licensed by Dolby. MLP removes redundancy from the signal to achieve a compression ratio of about 2:1 while allowing the PCM signal to be completely recreated by the MLP decoder (required in all DVD-Audio players). MLP allows playing times of about 74 to 135 minutes of 6-channel 96kHz/24-bit audio on a single layer (compared to 45 minutes without packing). Two-channel 192kHz/24-bit playing times are about 120 to 140 minutes (compared to 67 minutes without packing).
Other audio formats of DVD-Video (Dolby Digital, MPEG audio, and DTS, described below) are optional on DVD-Audio discs, although Dolby Digital is required for audio content that has associated video. A subset of DVD-Video features (no angles, no seamless branching, etc.) is allowed. It's expected that shortly after DVD-Audio players appear, new universal DVD players will also support all DVD-Audio features.
DVD-Audio includes specialized downmixing features for PCM channels. Unlike DVD-Video, where the decoder controls mixing from 6 channels down to 2, DVD-Audio includes coefficent tables to control mixdown and avoid volume buildup from channel aggregation. Up to 16 tables can be defined by each Audio Title Set (album), and each track can be identified with a table. Coefficients range from 0dB to 60dB. This feature goes by the horribly contrived name of SMART (system-managed audio resource technique). (Dolby Digital, supported in both DVD-Audio and DVD-Video, also includes downmixing information that can be set at encode time.)
DVD-Audio allows up to 99 still images per track (at typical compression levels, about 20 images fit into the 2 MB buffer in the player), with a set of limited transitions (cut in/out, fade in/out, dissolve, and wipe). Unlike with DVD-Video, the user can move at will through the slides without interrupting the audio as it plays. On-screen displays can be used for synchronized lyrics and navigation menus. A special simplified navigation mode can be used on players without a video display.
Sony and Philips are promoting SACD, a competing DVD-based format using Direct Stream Digital (DSD) encoding with sampling rates of up to 100 kHz. DSD is based on the pulse-density modulation (PDM) technique that uses single bits to represent the incremental rise or fall of the audio waveform. This supposedly improves quality by removing the brick wall filters required for PCM encoding. It also makes downsampling more accurate and efficient. DSD provides frequency response from DC to over 100 kHz with a dynamic range of over 120 dB. DSD includes a lossless encoding technique that produces approximately 2:1 data reduction by predicting each sample and then run-length encoding the error signal. Maximum data rate is 2.8 Mbps.
SACD includes a physical watermarking feature. Pit signal processing (PSP) modulates the width of pits on the disc to store a digital watermark (data is stored in the pit length). The optical pickup must contain additional circuitry to read the PSP watermark, which is then compared to information on the disc to make sure it's legitimate. Because of the requirement for new watermarking circuitry, SACD discs are not playable in existing DVD-ROM drives.
SACD includes text and still graphics, but no video. Sony says the format is aimed at audiophiles and is not intended to replace the audio CD format.
| Maca Nut | Day: 12
You guys really are brilliant!
This confirms my attitude that if I like Steely Dan then I must be clever.
Stacy
| ╡ | Day: 12
jjeff: I read once that we share ¦90% of the same DNA with the pig (women argue it's mostly the males) and 50% with a pine tree (some parts are edible!). The most amazing DNA factoid is that a Chihuahua and a coyote are essentially the same species: wolf...
| jjeff-devolving | Day: 12
Mu:Some of us are a little more than 98.7%:-)
Lisa G: where are you posting from? Metheny in N.B.? Must have been Saint John. I'm so out of the loop music-wise I just found out Fishbone is playing a small hamlet called Lunenburg this weekend, a 1/2hr. from my home. I wouldn't have believed it but I heard on MM that they were touring Canada. But Lunenburg? It's just a backwater where American film companies come to shoot nostalgia, beautiful but small. They have a rec. center that seats 500.
Paul S./Dano/Duncan:Would love to meet you all but I wouldn't count on it too much. It's just a week and we( my87yr-old dad, a sister, a niece, a brother, his girlfiend and me) will be centered in London. It's a way to get my feet wet travel-wise since in '06-07 I'll be doing it more extensively( taking a year off). This little jaunt will have Dad more in mind since it may be his last shout. I was hoping to fit a night-out in Birmingham if the schedule was right and it may still happen but don't
put money on it, mates. It's basically Stonehenge( I thought Glastonbury festival but that's out), Thames cruise, Peter Cook's grave, you know the essentials. Now 06-07 you can count on.
Hiatt is one of the top 5 songwriters, I'd say, but to me Crossing Muddy Waters and Tiki Bar sound very similar. Perfectly Good Guitar was a good one. My favorite lines still come from Slow Turnin' and Family, though.
"His beer was warmer than the look in her eye", " took the money for the laundry and drove away clean"
MC:Get your telescope ready for next Wed. A five-planet grouping around the moon, all the naked-eye ones. I'm sure you can find specifics. Take care.
...is that chanting I hear? San Diego way?
| Molly Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 12
Rex, If you're who I think you may be please get in touch!we have much to discuss.
It's well understood,Most of the time I wouldn't change it if I could,I can't make it all match up,I can hold my own,....
bring back memories baby? still feel same M
| Molly Mistress of Mayhem | Day: 12
Rex, If you're who I think you may be please get in touch!we have much to discuss.
It's well understood,Most of the time I wouldn't change it if I could,I can't make it all match up,I can hold my own,....
bring back memories baby? still feel same M
| Steveedan | Day: 12
Good morning my friends ...
Molly, Lisa, W1P, and all ... thank you for your support. Yes, of course I am excited. My friends and band members just showed up so it's time to get in the car and cruise to San Diego.
And Clas -- I thought lovebob wanted it UP a minor third ... Oh well ...
I have worked as pianist for many singers who wanted to change keys, and sometimes at the very last minute, so I am used to transposition.
Well, that's it for now, needless to say, when I get back I will post something long here.
Bill, catch ya later dude ... thanks for your thoughts.
I can't wait to meet all of the guest book VIP's in San Diego.
Have a great weekend everyone.
Steveedan
| Gina | Day: 12
alrighty, Stephen Bishop:-)
his album made me hungry for more earcandy of the musicians he had working with him ..
in a Fagen flow, tomorrow i'll have the opportunity to interview and review the concert of the WDR Big Band .. URL above for those interested in the Big Band Members .. many esteemed jazzmusicians and teachers from U.S.A, Germany ... cool!
just luv the sounds of the brass spiced & energetic ..
Jeff Hamilton also present, he's been around the "early" Jazz Masters and Mistresses ..
have fun on Danfests & Tribute Nights,
Banyan Tree It's Always About Music Bow
G.
| Clas @ Wide Awake? | Day: 12
Oh damm, have I been sleeping or what?
Stevie, dear fellow, thanks so much. And hell, no, I aint going to argue, I tried to figure them out a while ago, but it's such a pain with those CD players, and I can't stay focused that long and, you know, thanks. And hey, you told us you've been using the same sequencer for 15 years? Can it be the Yamaha QX5 (that's the name isn't it?)? Had one of those, very safe on live-stage.
---
Steeve Dan, BobLovesBob called me, he wanted me to forward this;
He's been smoking to much lately, every tune they're playing must be lowered one step to fit his voice. Is that a problem brother?
---
Lisa G - it's great being to a good concert isn't it?
C
| Dano | Day: 12
WIP, Dan that had me creased on the floor on and on and on for Stephen Bishop??Really made my weekend so f****n funny mate.How is the young Aja.
Regards Dano.
| W1P | Day: 12
Rumours -- that's a great tribute to Fleetwood Mac. Tonight we have Rockola doing Beatles B Sides opening for the Steely Damned. Tomorrow we have The Steely Fan Band, Led Zepland and Highway 61 Revisited in Long Beach and Smokin, a Boston tribute and Led Zepagain in Tarzana. Next weekend we have Which One's Pink? at the earthday festival at Polliwog Park in Manhattan Beach (showtime is 1:00 p.m., admission is free. On May 3 we have Fireball a Deep Purple tribute in Tarzana. On May 4 we have Which One's Pink? and Mike Keneally (not a tribute band but often referred to as the world's greatest cover band) in Tarzana. Also on May 4 we have Larger than Life, a KISS tribute from Modesto in Hollywood. On May 11, Sheer Heart Attack, a rarely seen Queen tribute, plays Tarzana! Finally, there's CHIPS, a tribute to Eric Estrada and On and on and on and on, a tribute to Stephen Bishop playing right here in the Yellow.
| Molly | Day: 12
never try to post message before finishing coffee....
Stevee ,congrats, you seem so jazzed,who wouldn't be!!!!NO Leather spankers,Brushes ect.. for me,my good man.I'm a vanilla kind of gal..figure if it's good, no need for accessories..:}
say hi to family for me
over my junk food music habits for now! let's do sucky movies everybody.
What's worst movie you ever saw? not counting Killer Tomato genre, will accept action movies that you guys seem so enamored with.
| Ms. Molly | Day: 12
wishes going to you.xoxo's to your baby doll
| Bill | Day: 12
Go on Steve!,
You're pretty excited about sitting in with The Steely Damned
and who would'nt be? Hell we're all excited for you brother!
Your breakdown of the notes and chords for each SD song proves
that you've spent quite some time studying and disecting each
bar of thier music. I'm impressed by that and I don't think
SD has a bigger fan than you.
Let's keep in mind that groups like the Steely Damned and
musicians like Steevedan help to keep the music of Steely Dan
alive and bring that music to many people in a live setting.
So go on Steve! Have a good time, and if you have any pics of
the event I'd sure like to see them.
| lcpaul | Day: 12
Dear Gwen - and to think, there I was, minding my own business, when out of the blue, DAMON RUNYON! shows up on my porch. With a case of Wild Turkey.
Well. No prizes for guessing what happened next.
(Drum roll, Ladies and Gentlemen) James Joyce with TS Eliot in tow. The two of them summarily proceed to put on a gala performance of that godawful musical "Cats". Barf bags to the rescue.
By this stage, and mostly in self defence, I find myself Limbo dancing with indigenous wildlife, Nic Cage and that putrid bearded lady that you forwarded to me as a jpeg.
More fun than a barrel of monkeys!
But I digress...
The bone thrower says you and I are a match made in heaven. Horse and carriage.
Await the bustier with trembling knees.
You'll find my address on the rear of all current Tylenol packs.
| Chips | Day: 12
Is there a rumor or something we can discuss to take a breather from everyone's tribute band schedule?
Not that there's anything wrong with that.......
| Hey, Paulie | Day: 12
Pssst. Come 'ere.
Can you please beat the christ out of Steveeeeedan?
| Paulie Mitch | Day: 12
Stupidest lyrics ever, huh?
From Shakira's current smash hit:
Lucky that my breasts
Are small and humble
So you don't confuse them
With mountains...
They just made her sing that since she can't speak English very well. She probably thinks it's something clever. That's abuse, ain't it?
| Paulie Mitch | Day: 12
Gee Steve, whoever you are, take a breather.
| Steveedamned | Day: 12
Hello, my namesake. You all already know that I am jazzed about being asked to play with The Steely Damned. I must admit that my attention in tonight's rehearsal was drifting southward to San Diego. 6 members of my new band are going to be at the show as well. This is really going to be fun. I hope I don't blow the chords in Hey Nineteen (lovebob, if you are reading this, don't worry, ... it's a joke).
Stevie isn't it frustrating to try to put the chords here and then after you do it you realize that something isn't exactly right so you want to go back on the record and correct things because, after all, this is a public forum, and it's your reputation, and etc.
(Said in a Sammy Davis Jr. voice: "I have been there man."
Lisa G. Thank you for the nod too. Yes, I wish I could really steal Lyle Mays' licks. You already know that I think this guy is just unbelievable. By the way, I had plans to see Metheny here in LA, and I just couldn't go. Of course, it turned out to be a huge mistake. ... Huge.
And to the Duck-shous ... thank you for your nice e-mailed message, I look forward to hanging out with you in San Diego.
Molly - I did get your message. Thank you. But I must tell you that you are making me think un-holy thoughts. And I thank you. (... aprons, and special "brushes", and tatoos, and belly rings ... swirling around in my head ... ouch! I forgot about the leather spanker !! Again !!!)
Steve-ah-lah-Dan
| steviedamn | Day: 11
this is exactly why i rarely do this:
in the intro: there is a quick G before the quick A9
that's what i get for trying to do it in my head while listening to a coolbone cd.
| steviedan travels in pairs | Day: 11
okay, a little preemptive here:
"last time G#dim7 to G/A" FOLLOWING the G9
i KNOW there is no E in G/A, but lightly played as a harmonic it functions as a sixth, as opposed to creating the minor. i probably did not put it in the piano part...
icpaul, of those grrrl-ish groups, yes the cramps, the other two, well...
yes on hiatt and trower for an album or two, but particularly on hiatt. hank silvers, i can't believe you don't like "bring the family". if only for "lipstick sunset" and ry cooder's playing on it. chills ! "slow turning" was my gateway disc. one of our fine guestbook ladies contributed positive colour on his newest. who was that ? personally i even liked little village. hell, jim keltner showed up so it's a party at any rate...
stevee, what a coup !
| steviedan | Day: 11
okay, this is the part where i excuse myself to the corner of the party where people talk shop. please indulge, as i rarely enter into these harmonic forays, for above stated reason, but clas asked ever so nicely and as long as he agrees not to ARGUE with me about them lol. i programmed the rhodes part and voices years ago so this will be a basic representation of the acoustic guitar part i perform minus leads...
going into this clas, as you can hear for yourself that it's all about the arpeggiated melodic figures within the chords. i'll spell them out () when they are KEY elements and hope not to lose my connection here:
in D
D9 (D D E F# A) - G - A9 - Bm (B F# B C# D F#) - Em7-9 - quick A9
second time pop in a A#dim7 for the A9
then comes one of jt's regular compositional methods, cycling three lovely chords of equal rhythmic value offsetting within the 4/4. this time they are:
A9 - Bm - G9 this is the "hold them up" part.
last time G/A, (for me the top five octave harmonics, light on the E)
verse: D9 - D9/F# - G9 - A9 repeat with leading ornamentation on the A9
Bm - Em7-9 - G9 - A9 repeat ditto
instru: Em7-9 - G9 - A9 - Bm repeat thrice. last time G#dim7 to G/A
bon appetit
| LG, blissing again | Day: 11
By the by, stevee-congrats on the Damned gig and Lyle told me to say, "Hey!" Oh, and he wants you to stop stealing all his licks.-LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
| Blissing Lisa G | Day: 11
Well, stevie, I'm still reeling over the whole night. It was the best PMG concert I've been to. Pat has evolved (if that's possible). And what was so amazingly wonderful was that the group has evolved, too. The musicians were out of this world, the best IÆve ever seen with PMG. IÆm still high on the whole night, and will have to post thoughts and impressions when I come down. Right now, IÆm still unbelievably euphoric!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| Chris Eisold | Day: 11
Hey everyone;
I wanted to remind everyone of the Dan Fan gathering in Milwaukee this Saturday night for a snow date of our March 2 Dan Fans' night out.
We're going to be at the Estate, same as planned last time.
There's a Map and all at http://www.dandom.com/danfests/milwaukee---click above
Hope to see you there.
Chris and Tony
| Molly | Day: 11
Stevee did you get my latest e-mail? still trouble in hooterville with ISP.I am happy the little one has returned to school.I am taking 5 emotionally/behaviorally challenged kids on a field trip tomorrow.ages range from 3-7.They don't call me the Mistress of Mayhem for naught!
I know I'll appear to be an infidel heathen but I've been listening to Warren Zevon's Sentimental Hygiene today.And this is really terrible but also Casual Gods by Jerry Harrison.all that passion and fury to dance music it's like pink cup cakes one of those vices one doesn't usually discuss.Keep me in your thoughts tomorrow!
Junie give Ward a big kiss for me......
| Gwen | Day: 11
lcpaul: Glad to hear of the jock upgrade. I always liked the way your cup ranneth over, though - and I will be somewhat regretful of the new full housing assembly. But remember dear, watermelon IS my favorite flavor.
I often attempt to co-ordinate my wardrobe with local wildlife. Why, just last week I did my hair up in dreads so I could cut another track with Bounty Killa. This is simply one of the little ways I show my dedication to art.
I think you should trade Madonna the Brit knicks for a set of her comely boobie missile pj's. I hear they are all the rage in Bhopal, where a strange wave of genetically misshapen women are wandering bare in the streets, save for these handy dunce-capped brassieres.
What did the wise man say about our future? Does he need to sniff the bustier to get a proper reading? You can expect it in 3 to 5 working days.
"Got the shape I love to squeeze
Looks that bring me to my knees, oh please
Let it roll tonight..."
| ╡ - 5 names that I can hardly stand to hear | Day: 11
http://www.msnbc.com/news/737274.asp?0bl=-0#BODY
| Stomach ache in the brain | Day: 11
LynSkyn... Ptooey! A quick once around the room- what is the stoooopidest
lyric you've ever???
"Southern man don't need him around anyhow"
What a put down.
Takes your breath away, don't it?
That's my vote.
Tums up!
| Dano | Day: 11
Duncan , ready for a swallie when jj gets his arse over here?? Maybe Paul Fingers can get us hooked up in Birmingham?? Paul any sisters with spare rooms mate??
Steeve , have a good night , top marks to WIP for the heads up.
Danfest two days away ......Yahoo hubba hubba , wish i was going to get muellered.Have one for me ya beuty.
Dano.
| Bill | Day: 11
Hank,
Please give John Hiatt's "The Tiki Bar Is Open" a spin and you'll
see that he's up to his old stuff. While all of the songs on this
CD are great, the following ones are just excellent;
"Everybody Went Low"
"My Old Friend"
"The Tiki Bar Is Open"
"Farther Stars" - this song has a mystical middle-eastern feel
to it that's kind of unexpected from Hiatt. It's a great song
that shows the versatility of his songwriting abilities.
Of course John has hooked up with his old band, The Goners, for
this CD. That would include Sonny Landreth (guitar), Dave Ranson
(Bass), and Ken Blevins (percussion), among others.
So many have covered John Hiatt's songs that he has to be
considered on of the truly great songwriters of our generation.
I place him among other giants like Bob Dylan, Donald Fagen &
Walter Becker, James Taylor, John Fogerty, David Crosby,
Michael Franks and others. Here are a few who have covered his
songs.
Bonnie Raitt : "Thing Called Love", "Lovers Will"
Bob Dylan : "The Usual"
Eric Clapton and B.B. King : "Riding With The King"
3 Dog Night : "Sure as I'm sittin' here"
Jeff Healey : "Angel Eyes"
And so many others I can't even think of them all right now.
His latest one "The Tiki Bar Is Open" is one of his best so
go ahead and give it a listen Hank. You wont be disappointed.
| molly mistress of mayhem | Day: 11
You're really getting on my bad side criticizing John Hiatt.His song writing abilities alone are great.There have been so many other artists do his songs....."Bring the Family" is some of his best work. listen to "Tip of my Tongue" and "Alone in the Dark" again.then there was "Thing Called Love" you know the one Bonnie whoever made famous...
I daresay most of our musicians on Banyantree would give their left nut to play anywhere near as good as Ry Cooder,Nick Lowe or Jim Keltner.
what's the big deal about a few body adornments? you guys sound like a bunch of old ladies...Stevee I have you know that if I flash my bellyring at the appropriate time it can be quite effective in my advocate work.
ps. we won't talk about Little Village, quess too many cooks in the stew.
Be peaceful and loving my friends.M
| Steveedan | Day: 11
Thank you Bill. I am really looking forward to it.
Thank you Duncan (and for those CDs too.) I am never nervous, but I sometimes become the world's biggest uncurable ham.
W1P - Oh. I didn't know that you told lovebob to give me the chance. Words cannot describe the gratitude and appreciation to you for this.
Let the countdown begin.
Thanks again guys.
Steveedan
| Hank Silvers | Day: 11
Chiming in on Hiatt: I became a fan with Slug Line, when he was the U.S. answer to Elvis Costello, but the sincere discs like Bring The Family left me cold. (exception: Slow Turning) Have A Little Faith In Me probably sounds fine coming from someone else, but Hiatt sounded like Ray Charles lite, and as Keith Olbermann would put it, "Guh!"
Little Village had She Runs Hot and Solar Sex Panel, which reminded me of the old days when he'd take a metaphor and milk it until the poor bloody thing dropped from exhaustion. Haven't really listened to one of his since Stolen Moments...maybe it's time to give him another try.
| W1P | Day: 11
Not that -- I encouraged Bob to contact you about sitting in.
| Duncan | Day: 11
Well done steveedan...
Go for it, Not to much pressure then ?
JJ: where you heading for in Blighty ?
| Bill | Day: 11
Congratulation Steveedan!,
Have fun sitting in with The Steely Damned brother!!
Wish I could be there too but I'm sure you'll do us proud.
Man, that is too cool...
Lcpaul,
You mentioned two of my favorite artists, John Hiatt and
Robin Trower. John Hiatt's latest one is called
"The Tiki Bar Is Open". The first song on this CD will blow you
away, it's called "Everybody Went Low" and it positively cranks!
Robin Trower has always been a favorite of mine and his new one
is called "Go My Way". Needless to say, Robin Trower also cranks
as usual.
For any of you who think that John Hiatt is strictly a folksy
kind of artist, I encourage you to pick up "The Tiki Bar is Open"
and listen to track one. I think you'll change your mind.
Again, Congratulations Steveedan!
| lcpaul | Day: 11
This just in - The John Lennon songwriting contest:
www.jlsc.com
| lcpaul | Day: 11
How about The Slits (great name for an all-female outfit!), L7 (another all-female outfit from LA, if I'm not mistaken) and The Cramps?
Anyone?
| Steveedan | Day: 11
lcpaul - I posted about Aphrodite's Child and that "666" Album a long time ago, sorry my friend from the Cape.
W1P - I am so abjectly sorry. Of course you are important. In fact you and Angel are the first two guest book people I met in person. I can't wait to meet your family down in San Diego. Please pardon my omission.
We gonna rock da joint ...
Steeeeeeeeeeeeevey - Dahhhhhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
| lcpaul | Day: 11
Just caught Robert Fripp doing "North Star" on the radio. I'd forgotten about that one. Rather good really.
Something wierd's afoot. Every morning when I wake up, a musician/band pops into my head. Then I think hey, I must post about that artist. I log on, and someone's beat me to it. Twice now. First Grand Funk Railroad. Then today John Hyatt.
So, anyone remember a band called Aphrodite's Child and their album "666"? Or Golden Earring's (not Green) first album (I think) "Eight Miles High"? Or Lindisfarne? Or a South African band called Hawk. Or Hawkwind. Or Robin Trower's unforgettable "Bridge of Sighs"?
Huh?
| Clas @ W | Day: 11
Stevie - oh yes, saw it way back. Don't remember much of it. Heard a lot of gossip though, how they had to edit every film-frame of Neil Youngs (?)performance, too much coke ran out from his nose. And after the movie was made, Robertson left his family and moved in with Scorsese, the hard life they went for almost killed Scorsese, literally.
And it wasn't so many years ago a member of the Band hanged him self down in Florida, in a motel room before a gig?
Stevie, could you do me a favour? What's the chords of Taylors "Never Die Young"?
C
| LCPAUL | Day: 11
Jeez, all these tribute band goings on, in the US and the UK. And here I sit in Cape Town, pictures of all of you in my internal Kodakchrome. It's a long way away. Maybe one day.
"Trying, trying to conceal my anger
I'll leave you with a kiss
But I'll be back with a Panga!"
| W1P | Day: 11
And no credit to me? Steeve, steeve, steeve, do you love me? Not even a mention? Sheesh.
| Steveedan | Day: 10
MY MOST S H A M E L E S S .. P L U G G I N G ... EVER !!!
(Well, at least until that still under wraps band of mine gets going ...)
Yes that's right ladies and gentlemen !!!
It is time to promote the San Diego Dan Fest this Friday, April 12, 2002.
Appearing live at the Kon Tiki Room (located upstairs from the Cannibal Bar) at the Catamaran Hotel it's the two premier bands from San Diego,
Rockola and The Steely Damned - both fronted by our very own lovebob, Mr. Bob Tedde. It's going to be a double bill like none other that has been seen before.
I have been given clearance from Mr. Tedde himself to inform you all of the following development ...
Your very own Steveedan (hey, that's me !!!) will be playing with The Steely Damned at the start of the evening.
I just have to keep icing my bruised head after smacking it on the table as I was fainting when I got the news that Bob was extending an invitation to me to play the first set with The Steely Damned.
I want you all to join me in thanking Bob Tedde and Company for making this very special arrangement with the Catamaran Hotel to put on this night of entertainment for the Sign In Stranger Guest Book VIPs who are traveling from near and far to be in San Diego on Friday.
And I also want to take this opportunity to humbly thank Bob and The Steely Damned for giving me this privilege to play with them. It is just amazing to me when I think back on the past year since I first came onto the guest book all of the great people whom I have met, spoken to, e-mailed with, and too many other things to mention, that have happened to me. My cup truly runneth over ... and is staining our new carpet.
I better go. I have to clean it up before the wife finds out ...
Please try to make San Diego. It is going to be a great memorable evening.
To all, the very best ...
Steveedan
| Steveedan | Day: 10
Hello everyone --
Well, it's just 2 days before the San Diego Dan Fest. I can't wait to meet all of the guest book guys and gals who will be there for Rockola and The Steely Damned. I will be there with 4 of my band mates from that soon-to-be-no-longer-under-wraps-band I keep talking about. I spoke to Craigster tonight (hey y'all ... remember him?) He will be at the Dan Fest too.
Good Golly Miss Molly -- I hope things are going well. There certainly must be NOTHING like a tatooed and pierced advocate. One of a kind, love affair is ... I hope things are going well. Ain't it great when the kids' school vacations are OVER ?!? (... and there was much rejoicing ...)
And to my namesake ... Steviedan - is that fabulous music room of your completed yet? Did you fill the shelves with disks both big and compact? How's everything else going?
Aja ... will you be at The Dan Fest? If so, I look forward to meeting you.
Angel ... are you coming too? (Ya gotta come !!! please come !!! Bring ... well, bring somebody, OK?)
Bill (leave Gordon to me) - Save up those nickles and dimes man. If you like the feel of a weighted key keyboard (like a piano, or a Fender Rhodes), then you will love the Yamaha S 80. If you are more into the lighter touch of an organ, this might not be the keyboard for you, but the sounds in this keyboard are great. I can't stop raving about (or is that keep my hands off of) this keyboard.
If Schwinn has received my CD for inclusion on the TM 2002, then it will be just a matter of time before the new band is launched here. And our first Los Angeles area gig should be within 4 to 6 weeks from now.
Well, that's almost it for now ... I have to complete my taxes before I leave for San Diego ... but now it's time for ...
Steveedan
| steviedan | Day: 10
question #7 from prerequisite record store clerk exam, as administered by the state:
7) how do you spell the name of the band that performed "sweet home alabama" and "freebird" ????
... now there is a little axiom at work here to aid the prospective vinyl valet. simply replace vowels with "Y"'s and yer good to take three steps mister. HENCE:
l-Y-n-Y-r-d s-k-Y-n-Y-r-d
question #8 involves rulings from the sixties and seventies on filing procedures for jethro tull and marshall tucker along with a subheading stating that neither donald or walter, while indeed steely characters, go by the name "dan"...
the study guide really helps.
clas, yeah "the last waltz" ! you're joshin' me here ! you've never seen the movie or heard the soundtrack ???
lg, ANXIOUS for a little colour on you know what. "speechless" is not going to do at all...
dj mitch, "it seems like a mighty long ti-mmmeeee"
| W1P | Day: 10
Steeve, to paraphrase Leonard Skinner, "I know a little" as the driving force behind it. W1P? See you in Dan Diego
| Lisa G | Day: 10
Pat Metheny Group. New Brunswick. Three hour show.
Speechless.
| Bill | Day: 10
Post 1568,
HA!
First, I have'nt bought the high-end audio equipment or that
Yamaha S80 keyboard yet, but don't worry I will...
Powerball? Hey I have'nt won Powerball in like 2 years now
so what's your point? Unfortunately Mr.Bill could'nt take his
lengthy trip to Florida this winter cuz he was busy working.
You know working? Ever try it? This means that Mr.Bill will
have to take the entire summer (and possibly the rest of the
year) off in order to make up for it. And yes, I will be
taking my great big, lovely Honda VTX along with me because
I know that it won't judge me. Why from the first time I saw
it in the showroom, we hit it off. And whaddya mean I have
no taste? Did'nt I just give away a 1974 AMC Pacer and a
lime-green nylon suit as part of that "Worst Songs Of The
70's" contest? Methinks you're just upset that you did'nt
win the car. Lord knows you could probably use it.
Mr.Bill enjoys the hell out of this site so if you're going to
try and run me off you'll have to do quite a bit better than that.
Now, where was I? Oh yes, I was counting my powerball winnings...
:)
| Mistress of Mayhem aka Molly | Day: 10
Junie,Ward, alas have given up on both of you.Aprons boar brushes...and to think you had the nerve to criticize my poor little tatoos.(I also have belly button pierced.) Guess me and poor Gwen will have to struggle along without you.Aja,I'm shocked at you.
SteveeDan, hope all is well.Been up to my butt in advocate work.Catch you soon.Sold another painting today not for as much though.
I'd love to hear all of your bands....not much chance. Ky's not a cultural mecca guys.
REX!!! baby unlike girl in John Hiatt's song,I know exactly what to do with all this red hair.
Happy riding Bill.
| Aja...................................hairbrush and apron at the ready | Day: 10
and some fur-lined restraints. Ward, have you been baaaaaaaaaaaaaad again?
Putting on the pearls, my hair in curlers, and getting the boar-bristle brush ready.....
Aja
| Aussie | Day: 10
June: Praying you make the trip down. Ward's got some surprises up his sleeve. And admittedly, while I have a soft spot for tatoos and piercings, nothing can be more titillating than that apron and hairbrush...lord knows, ask Aja. The salvos 'twitx and 'tween the newcomers has been nothing less than very exciting reading. Take away bullet: I remain yours. Love, Ward.
Rutledge: Big miss in Beantown. Chequed out KingFish restaurant and the Office downtown...super treats. Hope the single A tickets were worth it sir.....we'll tee it up in the Big Apple soon...be sure to leave the gloves at home....
YGK: Gigantic kudos for daily cheque in.....much appreciated. Been busy and fairly distracted during trading hours...as if that wasn't apparent already.
luv,
Aus
ps. NMN: Yanks in Beantown this coming weekend...ya going?
| Pervez Yusuf | Day: 10
Bravo your web page is so fantastic and energetically good. Yeah just to say keep it up
| enimen | Day: 10
Ward, June...
sorry to have missed you'uns this past weekend...stood in line for hours for a fistful of single A NY-Penna. league tix (Lowell Spinners, Junie dear). We will convene soon.
"I see the girls walk by dressed in their summer clothes
I have to turn my head until my darkness goes"
Voyeuristically yours,
Eddie "Mick 'enimen' Jagger" Haskell
| D.J . Mitch | Day: 10
Hi Gang, Its been a while........just wanted to ask if there is any news on the recording front, can u believe its been 2 years already since 2vn.......ciao
| Steveedan | Day: 10
Hey Fingers Shotan ---
Duncan sent me some music (THANK YOU DUNCAN !!!) and one of the CDs is of one of your DSO shows in 2000. You guys sound great. The UK's got a great Steely Dan tribute band for sure. Anybody who can do so really should go and see the DSO. No doubt about it.
And now ... for those of you who might be coming to San Diego for the SD-SDFest (that's San Diego Steely Dan-Fest) ... it looks like there is going to be an extra added surprise at the Steely Damned show. I am not at liberty to say exactly what it is at this time, but if you use your imaginiations, you might be able to guess ... That's all I can tell you right now. Just get to the Catamaran Hotel and go to the Kon Tiki Room (not the Cannibal Bar).
Also Mr. Tedde with Rockola will open the show with a "Beatles "B" Sides" show prior to the mighty TSD performance.
This is going to be a great evening. I say this shamelessly.
I loved those "chicken"-runnings. What about this one:
From a SD Trib band: The chicken wasn't sure if he was crossing the actual road or an amazing simulation ...
Band rehearsal Thursday night here in Los Angeles, traveling to San Diego Friday morning for fun and frolic.
Steveedan
| YGK | Day: 10
June: didja ever see Sexy Beast? you should......
"you do the dishes baby, i gotta run,
you know that nightlife, ain't much fun
but don't wait up for me cause I know you need your rest, sweetheart,
but don't you worry baby you can count on me to do my part"
-Mose Allison
ygk
| Fingers (in too many pies) Shotan | Day: 10
jjeff
Wow.....great news on the pond hop!!! What a buzz to play The Dan to a home teamer! Be gentle with us Dude!More dates are being arranged /threatened /crowbarred as we speak. Probably 3 more London area gigs for June at least so keep your ear to the ground...or better still sign up on our emailing list at the site. You may even get to meet the incomparable Dano & Duncan if planets align fortuitously! All VIP guests of course...shit if you're travelling half way round the globe, the least we can do is let ya in for free and get the beer warming on the bar! Complimentary crisps (chips) may be thrown in too if band finances stretch to it!!!
I missed out on the crappest song in the known universe sessions but I'll throw in my all time nominee.........William Shattner's anguished, ecstatic, nut-crunchingly agonised and terminally embarrassing thesbian thrashings on "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" Was that in the 70's? I don't know ...my frontal lobes went icily numb after hearing it! uuughhhh!!!
Scoop of the DSO month...we have Glynn Davies on lead guitar for many future gigs, hear him and weep.....possibly the best SD plank basher in the UK today..blew them away in London last time!!!!
Anyone here catch Diamond Head in NJ last week? Ha! some chance eh? Just that our very own Eddie (Chaos) Moohan bassman of old with the DSO just got back from the big apple..says cheers to all you old farty rockers who fired up the 3 wheel zimmers to mosh on down at The Megadeath/Metallica Fest there. Eddie has taken to his bed since his return! Nuff sed.
Gotta go......off to the nursery to pick up the little 'un.
ciao for now, Paul Shotan
| lcpaul | Day: 10
Gwennie you gorgeous tigress - sorry to spoil your fantasy, but I'm fresh out of coconut shell jockcups, which, just for the record, are way too small anyway. If you get my drift.
No, we'll be havin' none of that. In recent times, I have, in fact, been forced to use one half of a watermelon shell instead, but only on special occasions. And coincidentally, the green colour co-ordinates perfectly with my Abercrombie & Fitch slip-slops and the local crocodiles.
You were right about Little Feat though.
Oh, and incidentally, I got hold of a pair of Britney's knickers off of e-bay, but didn't have the heart to burn them. Now Madonna's gone and put a bid in on them for like thousands of dollars! Hmmm, what's a boy to do?
Go ahead and freight the bustier. What the heck, I could use a little scent.
Having a Sangoma throw the bones soon so he can tell me about our future.
I send you felicitations from the dark continent.
| you know who.... | Day: 10
Don't be mean to Bill.You're just jealous of motorcycle..
| Powerball Drawn Lawn Guy Land | Day: 10
In the last month, our Powerball winner from Long Island bought himself high-end gear for both audio and computing, various models of off-road vehicles as well as a few luxury roadsters and a top of the line keyboard, amongst other things.
All the while, he elected to stay in Long Island instead of taking that lengthy trip, as fortune would allow. Makes sense. Gotta entertain the chat fits, the Bulletin Board brag habit.
William understands the pleasure obviously resides in the act of purchasing and showing off rather than the actual use of said products. Way to go. Besides, local is beautiful and it helps your local economy, so they say.
Listen, you too could be like William. That is, blessed with the same obviously substantial purchasing power and free time to share it all with strangers online, by default. You, on top of it all and unlike our friend William, could even be blessed with some taste and a social life as well.
Think about it (but not too long).
Select your Powerball numbers today!
| jjeff | Day: 10
4 calls last night, so this may be a bit incoherant...
1426-Angel: Cute little blurb :-)
Paul Shotan: Fill in your dates for June 30- JUly 5 ASAP 'cause I'm crossin' the mighty Atlantic and would love to see the show.
Worst Song: It's really all relative. I liked Edward Bear, maybe because they toured Bridgewater and my youngest sister was old enough to go( i wasn't) and she told me about the concert( high school gym). Midnight at the oasis was special to me too. How about Havin' my Baby? I remember slow dancing to this at a junior high dance and thinkin' I haven't had sex yet and we're talking babies?
Roy.Scam: Very good chicken addendum.
Quote for the day: A woman phoned me yesterday to ask about her husband's prep for sugery the next day. I said,"Where's he having sugery", meaning what hospital. She said," He's having the light put up his rectum", like he won the grand prize in a worst song contest.
MC; You're sounding better all the time.
Did anyone else see Phish's debut on the Simpsons?
Be kind to your chickens. They don't know what a road is.
| T.S. | Day: 10
Roy, you deserve a hearty round of applause. The Jerome Aniton psuedo quote is priceless. Glad you enjoyed.
Respectfully,
Transcend
| C @ W | Day: 10
ôMartin Scorsese's newly remastered chronicle of a the night Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Van Morrison took the stage for 'The Band's' 1976 farewell concert.ö
Must be great stuff.
c
| steviedandie | Day: 9
btw, roy that was the perfect spin on the all too mobile chicken...
btw, this could get interesting if daddy g were to weigh in. hmmmmm.
btw, this just in from homegrown music network:
"raq - 'shed tech' cd - one of the most talked-about young bands in our scene ! these vermonters dish out a psychedelic brew of phish-style improv-rock and tricky fusionoid composition reminiscent of STEELY DAN. their full, intellegnet sound is rife with fearless improvisation and intense dynamics. check out their debut cd ! $14.00."
st al, i'm checkin this out and
btw, you should subscribe to their newsletter. it's jam-band central:
www.homegrownmusic.net
tell 'em steviedan sent ya. they won't understand, but i'd get a good laugh out of it...
| steviedregdefender | Day: 9
hey lg, now you don't have to say you like them if you don't. lol. only this, i just couldn't disagree more. i'm getting "pedestrian etudes" from you and i can't help but echo the immortal words of les mccann...
"compared to what ?"
we are talking the southern rock genre here and i'd be willing to bet that you have never actually heard steve morse play live. you see, that's the wonderful part of his gift, that he has both absorbed and perpetuates funky down south SOUL in his delivery. he can be guilty of an often formulaic approach to making/sequencing records but then again, he DOES have the market cornered on mahavishnu/allman bros. hybrids. i'd be curious if you like stuff like mahavishnu orchestra or deep purple.
i just know that circa 1978 when the dixie dregs were touring the southland, folks of all kinds would begin lining up at 4:00 pm at the doors of what was essentially a huge redneck biker rawk bar, the attic. a large portion of the crowd was always nearly the entire enrollment and faculty of the music school i was attending, all knowing that these so-called "dregs" were most likely the tightest ensemble we would see this side of the julliard string quartet. a with that funky chicken pickin' SOUL to boot ! here, they are legends for those shows to even the organ major who NEVER darkened those doors EXCEPT for these joyous occasions.
ahhhhhh
anyway, in ending this rant at lg (you know i luv ya anyway) i must say that as much as i love zappa, steve morse is every bit as essential in my library...
| angel | Day: 9
I WON, I WON, I WON....I Think.... Bill, uh, thanks so much for the AMC Pacer. What a wonderful classic car.... not.
My dad used to own a '76 Pacer, so I have driven one. What a pain those windows were! Especially when the fan motor went out. We would drive with the windows open in the rain. Actually, it was probably good to learn the many ways to unfog windows without heat. Thanks for bringing back all those horid memories. Do I have to visit Long Island to pick it up? :-)
Yes, I am back from Las Vegas. Never did connect with St. Al. I hope he finally made to Nevada. Well, if he did, there was sun to be had.
Funniest thing seen on the trip home, was a billboard of San Diego saying "See if you can replicate this (Las Vegas)".
| Roy.Scam | Day: 9
Transcend~ The chicken/road list was so good I nearly laughed my comb off. I'm surprised it's never been e-mailed to me by any of philosophically sophomoric acquaintances. Might I offer some less funny but more subject matter related responses:
WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD?
Donald Fagen: "To sabotage the expectations of chicken watchers who would have him stay on the same side of the road for his entire professional career."
Skunk Baxter: "To join the Doobie Brothers."
Michael MacDonald: "To take over the Doobie Brothers."
Walter Becker: "Because it's a fucked up world on this side of the road and I respect his choice even though I don't dare to follow."
Denny Dias: "He wanted to go back on tour, and the boss roosters wanted to stay in the coop."
William Burroughs: "He wanted to get run over so that by dying senselessly he might give meaning to his wasted life by way of an empty and unnoticed gesture."
Bernard Purdie: "He was probably looking for me."
Jerome Aniton: "We thought we WERE on the other side already, and I told him, man, we should just stay here on the other side but, no, he wanted to go back cause he was getting all paranoid and harshed like chickens get sometimes, so I was gonna have a drink and catch up with him later back on the original side, but he was all fucked up and I lost track of him and I don't know where he ended up. ... Which side is this that we're on now?"
The Farrely Brothers: "That wasn't actually a chicken. We got some less talented animals to make clucking and crowing sounds for our movie soundtrack."
RS
| ╡ - Freeze Tibet | Day: 9
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ice/chill.html
| T.S. | Day: 9
Any fool will tell you N. Cognito, that no one crosses Moebius. He's nothing but a twisted soul. Stuck on himself, and a formula for disaster. Carry the thread - don't break it.
| Bill/Eureka! | Day: 9
WJAZ (post 1550),
I guess you can have that lime green nylon suit big guy.
I mean you spoke up for it first did'nt you? Congrats!
How about the theme song from "The Banana Splits" or the
entire "Dr.Quinn Medicine Woman" T.V. series for that matter?
I hope Pat enjoys the Pet Rock.
Incidently, I have just stumbled across the cure for depression.
It's called the Honda VTX... Just bought one today in
"Illusion Blue"... Don't that color sound groovy? 1800 cc's
of raw V-Twin power. Ahh Yes, a great big powerful motorcycle,
a pair of shades and an open road....Prozac aint no match for that!
Peace.
| Misress of Mayhem | Day: 9
re: post 1539!! Junie tsktsk.There is a big difference between the seduction of subtlety,and repression.Lucky for you Ward's not my type.I suspect one night with me (or Ms.Gwen) and I'd be leading ol Ward around by his........nose.Find a man or woman who's not threatened by your sexuality June.Try wearing just your stockings,heels and pearls every now and then.Subtle is nice,but so is bold!!!!who says women can't be both?
(I'm sure Gwen would concer with me)A few adornments on one's body does not necessarily mean one is promiscuous.
DAMN!!! I wanted the pet rock...
Don't watch enough TV to pick the suckiest song: Sort of liked Mission Impossible hum it for my friend whenever he needs cheering up.My humming is worse then my trumpet playing.
Rex baby gotta have you
| Duncan | Day: 9
ohhh forgot
Queen Mum buried today the sounds of the band playing ''Fanfare'' made me think several times of Emerson Lake & Palmer.
how much more fitting that would have been.
altogether now
Daaan daaad Daaad di di di Naaaa
dooo dooo doooo dii dii naaa
| Duncan | Day: 9
God i own or like nearly all the songs on the worst of list..
still could be worse.
:)
| Boy Wonder | Day: 9
That's easy Batman.
To achieve inner peace and score some chicks.
| N. Cognito | Day: 9
Re post 1534: OK, but now riddle me this, Boy Wonder: Why did the chicken cross the Moebius strip?
| Tweety | Day: 9
re post 1534: He tawt he taw a puddy tat?
| ╡ | Day: 9
"It's always going to be something with you, isn't it?"
| WJAZ | Day: 9
Bill...Re: Post #1523
If St. Al hasn't spoken up yet, I would like the lime green nylon
suit...how groovy. Give him the pet rock please...
Thank you for the most recent contest, and now that we're over that
one...leesseee...how 'bout bad tv theme songs...we could start with
"Making Our Dreams Come True" from Laverne & Shirley and follow up
with "One Day At A Time"...
...now if I could just get Eres Tu out of my head.....
| Phil Donahue | Day: 9
And?
Caller, please make your point.
| I & I | Day: 9
Last night in Copenhagen, Dylan sang "How many years must a Hebrew exist, before..." instead of the usual. (source: Johan Vsglund)
www.expectingrain.com
| C @ W | Day: 8
Lisa G - sleep tight now. Fact is, (it's 9.30AM over here) I'm tired myself. Looking forward for my lunch-nap.
---
StAl? What's happening???
C
| me again | Day: 8
I should be sleeping. Loooooooong day tomorrow. Lots of classes right in a row.
Top o' the day to ye, C.
LG
| Lisa G | Day: 8
Hiya, Clas!
| Lisa G | Day: 8
steviedear-DaddyG is a major fan of the Dregs (Dixie). Oh I don't know, Steve Morse doesn't excite me. I mean conceptually, I guess there's much to be said about a rock group that plays Passacaglias (or is it Passacagliae), but sometimes I think he/they write(s) that stuff because he/they can play it and most others cannot.
Ok, this may sound harsh and who the hell am I to say this? But...this group annoys me. Writing that uses the likes of texture overload after dazzling cadenza after ôchops on fire to oblivion I'm a bad-ass and can play in 45/8 followed by 1/16 just because it can be doneö phrases sort of rubs me the wrong way.
I mean itÆs as if heÆs saying, "I'm a musical genius--you wanna hear impossible music with the simplest of progressions? Watch my fingers and see how they can move. Ooh, and I can count real hard stuff, too. Who needs interesting melodies that actually go somewhere, anyway?" At least Zappa had the good taste of letting the synclavier do the impossible stuff first.
Ok, so maybe Morse and Co. are not just trying to impress with technique out the wazoo. To be fair, I hear that he is a MF of a musician (yes, IÆve heard him play) and a heck of nice guy. But, I find his compositional style very elementary and primitive, almost etude-like, the kind that you donÆt want to ever hear, let alone play. I don't dig show-offs for the sake of showing off. But thatÆs me. Perhaps I just donÆt get the music. Perhaps it doesnÆt exist for its own sake. Is that bad anyway? Who knows? ItÆs 3 a.m., and I have no brain cells left.
Anyway, the good Daddy is nuts about the group--a regular Dreg-o-holic. Must be a violin thang er something.
I know, I know, what am I doing up? Writing lesson plans because I canÆt sleep. Oh and kvetching over music that IÆm forced to listen to during long trips to Upper Saskatchewan. Ok, fire away at me.
Metheny in New Brunswick T minus 41 hours.
LG
| C @ W | Day: 8
Gina/Gwen/Meg - absolutely my point. Thank you very much.
Enough - wasn't funny? Who's talking about "funny"? It was terrible. It was plain horror. And besides, what am I supposed to talk about? Those events are the only main things happening to me the last 30 years.
C
| stevie lost | Day: 8
btw, who initially asked about the boz ? it wasn't mu. i asked him about it subsequent to someone asking me...
anyway...
it's very good.
| leftover stevie | Day: 8
god, that yes tune, that circus one. visions of hideous butterscotch waterfalls. almost gave up on them over just that tune...
it's like, if you knock a full ashtray off the mixing board into a plugged-in guitar, and you just happen to record it... sampled and looped, is that really a basis for a rhythm track ? could be, i guess. i might prefer a carefully thought out, deliberate approach. what i'm saying here is that i'm getting back to mu on the new(est) boz album and that happens to be the weak(est) element of it. boz' pipes are soul, of course, and redeem nearly all folly of production. i don't even mind some of the hip-hop nods or other mechanized delights, when more tastefully utilized. some beautiful chord progressions here and there, and lord knows i'm a sucker pt barnum certified for that. the friend who didn't like it before... well he bought it on second listen. i might...
icpaul, yes please. particularly the indigenous stuff...
mc, grand funk RAWKS. i used to hate them, but now i hate that i hated them then. there was more to it. they were my brother's favorite band, you know. the live album is scary raw, wicked raw, but is in retrospect a near zen-like rock moment if there could be one. "e pluribus funk" and "good singing, good playing" (produced by zappa) are sleeper favorites. and of course, "close to home"...
| leave it to stevier | Day: 8
now, let me get this straight st al. what i'm hearin' here is that you feel that steely dan is too smooth and polished ? how do you arrive at that, pray tell lololol... i believe that d&w have reached point ellington. while there can be freedom in the solos, there is equal beauty in the structure of the charts. i couldn't forsee a return to less funk or jazz in the rhythmic feel, and as far as simpler harmonic or melodic structure inherent in the earliest work or rawk music in general... i'd learn circular breathing... now, of course ellington did some VERY long versions of his book and i think that may be what you mean, but to abandon the structure a la the dead is just not what sd is to me. that control is important to the compositional consistency that we know and love...
mister sneakers, did you ever listen to the dregs (dixie and not) ? btw, krantz has a new one at his website, although the shipping appears slowwwww compared to jeff berlin or audiophile imports (you need to check their site, they are all about you & i). i'll let you know when/if it arrives. know what you mean about "tormato". i thought that was yes' final indignation...
| June | Day: 8
Girls, girls, remember, understated sensuality is so much more enticing though -
When that apron comes off, the excitement is stupendous and spontaneous, you see...as opposed to the um, what is tha word you kids say, oh yes, "whatever" assumption that is felt upon a view of a woman with a tatoo and/or pierced body parts, an assumption of blatant promiscuity that only holds the bag, if you will, for a short time -
But for darling Ward, it's a wonderful surprise and a heavy desire to find what lurks within the apron -
Sometimes what is subtle is more sexy than what is so obvious -
Don't worry dear, you'll learn these things, it's okay.
| Mrs. Cleaver | Day: 8
Ward, don't you think you're being a little hard on the beaver?
| molly | Day: 8
besides June everyone knows it's T-Rex I'm after.I always had a thing for poets........
| fdg dfg df | Day: 8
| Mistress of Mayhem aka Molly | Day: 8
Junie, if Ward ever hooked up with me he'd throw rocks at your skinny ass.
you're jealous of my tatoos and Gwen's belly piercing.Live a little June, throw off the apron and pearls.Let your hair be loose and free.Every one knows why Ward is so stressed:}
Junie honey I did the tatoos in my 20's.
Do you all think that more then 4 tatoos indicates a tendency to be violent?? A good friend of mine has about 14.I just thought it was because he was in the Navy........
Mike, that would be a good example of look/lust/love argument.Stan's gorgeous,can bounce a quarter off his stomach; but has no idea who the Dan are,IQ about the equivalent of an appliance bulb.I'd never be with him...Will argue the point another time, probably not change your mind.
| Transcendentally speaking | Day: 8
A couple of you may have seen this, but it is too good not to share:
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Darwin: Chickens, over great periods of time, have been naturally selected in such a way that they are now genetically predispositioned to cross the road.
Machiavelli: The point is that the chicken crossed the road. Who cares why? The ends of crossing the road justify whatever motive there was.
The Bible: And God came down from the heavens, and He said unto the chicken, "Thou shalt cross the road". And the chicken crossed the road, and there was much rejoicing.
Buddha: If you ask this question, you deny your own chicken nature.
Plato: For the greater good.
Aristotle: To actualize its potential.
Nietzsche: Because if you gaze too long across the Road, the Road gazes also across you.
Kant: The chicken, being an autonomous being, chose to cross the road of his own free will.
The Pope: That is only for God to know.
Sartre: In order to act in good faith and be true to itself, the chicken found it necessary to cross the road.
Freud: The fact that the chicken crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity.
Jung: The confluence of events in the cultural gestalt necessitated that individual chickens cross roads at this historical juncture, and, therefore, synchronicitously brought such occurrences into being.
Einstein: Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed the chicken depends upon your frame of reference.
Camus: It doesn't matter; the chicken's actions have no meaning except to him.
Hemingway: To die. In the rain.
Skinner: Because the external influences, which had pervaded its sensorium from birth, had caused it to develop in such a fashion that it would tend to cross roads, even while believing these actions to be of it own freewill.
Locke: Because he was exercising his natural right to liberty.
Marx: It was a historical inevitability.
Stalin: I don't care. Catch it. I need its eggs to make my omelette.
Nixon: The chicken did not cross the road. I repeat, the chicken did not cross the road.
Orwell: Because the government had fooled him into thinking that he was crossing the road of his own free will, when he was really only serving their interests.
Martin Luther King, Jr.: I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads without havign their motives called into question.
Bill Gates: I have just released the new Chicken 2000, which will both cross roads AND balance your checkbook, though when it divides 3 by 2 it gets 1.4999999.
N.Y.P.D. : Give me ten minutes with the chicken and I'll find out.
Dr. Seuss: Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes! The chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed it, I've not been told!
Saddam Hussein: This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it.
Timothy Leary: Because that's the only kind of trip the Establishment would let it take.
Pat Buchanan: To steal a job from a decent, hard-working American.
Louis Farrakhan: The road, you will see, represents the black man. The chicken crossed the 'black man' in order to trample him and keep him down.
Mulder: It was a government conspiracy.
Scully: It was a simple bio-mechanical reflex that is commonly found in chickens.
Colonel Sanders: I missed one?
Grandpa: In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Someone told us that the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough for us.
Oliver Stone: The question is not 'Why did the chicken cross the road?', but rather 'Who was crossing the road at the same time whom we overlooked in our haste to observe the chicken crossing?'.
Seinfeld: Why does anyone cross a road? I mean, why doesn't anyone ever think to ask, 'What the heck is a chicken doing walking around all over the place anyway?'.
The Sphinx: You tell me.
Emily Dickenson: Because it could not stop for death.
Ralp Waldo Emerson: It didn't cross the road; it transcended it
Ernest Hemmingway: To die. In the rain.
O.J.: It didn't. I was playing golf with it at the time.
Pyrrho the Skeptic: What road?
| fsa | Day: 8
fsa to fsa:
Will be in San Jose this May
Do you still know the way?
(see Molly, we're all a sideshow in GB-land............)
| tryptophan | Day: 8
Gwen is the best thing to happen to this GB since juju.........
| Gwen, again | Day: 8
Hey, June. I have enough on my platter already, thanks. But perhaps Molly might be needing a side dish?
I second Gina on the Clas-bashing. When I was in Stockholm, he treated me very well. Even let me sit on his lap during our tour of the city. What a great guy, concerned about my white cotton mini getting soiled on that cabseat.
| Gina | Day: 8
hey Enough .. stop picking on Clas, ok?
tis a wonderful Banyan Gumbo here these days, tasteful Jambalaya for all, let's save the vinegar for the days when it's too sweet so our teeth rot away, haha ...
Banyan Tree Enough is Enough Bow,
G.
| June | Day: 8
Ward, please tell me you won't take up residence with Gwen? or Molly?
You know how I feel about self-mutilation, dearest Ward - it's only a temporary thing, nothing permanent, of course. Only my OB/GYN knows for sure...
So nice to talk to you today...
| Gwen | Day: 8
Forgive the long absence, dearest lcpaul. While cavorting in Spain, Gavin caused me to lose my favorite jewel encrusted belly ring when he insisted I Flamenco with an epileptic. That bastard grand mal'd (mauled?) and sent my shit flying into the champagne fountain- where it was quickly guzzled down by a famished Joan Rivers. I hate that skinny bitch.
Needless to say, I often fantasize about you in far away Africa. Wearing a coconut shell jockcup and listening to Little Feat in the buff. You are truly a REAL MAN.
I can forward my previously worn bustier if you need some scent of a woman.
Sparkles,
Gwennie
| ed | Day: 8
Hey Pat
What up?
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TRAVEL/NEWS/04/08/airline.quality/index.html
| Peg | Day: 8
St.Al. - What an awful story. Hope Stella wasn't too tough on you. I'm digging out Emma's old toddler toys for plenty of distractions for Stella while you're in town - but don't tell Emma!
Looking forward to meeting everyone on Friday. Been trying to think of options for some Saturday night fun, but I guess I'm not much of an entertainment planner. Anyone have some ideas?
| Molly | Day: 8
Hello guys hope you all had a wonderful weekend!!My little wild one returned to school today.The time change and two weeks home with Mommy had him bouncing off the walls this morning.
Bill I hope you didn't sign off because I offended you.You seem like a very nice man.Sometimes I let things get me a little too serious.Anyhow if you're nice to me,I may just let you see my tatoos...:}
I really did enjoy chatting with you.
Arlean, I'll be thinking of you,get some sleep so you'll be in fighting form girl.!!!those kids can sense when you're not on your game!!!:}
Mike , I'm not her,but it was nice talking with you.Think happy thoughts
listen to Bodhisattva: the live version is outstanding! you'll be tapping your feet smiling before you know it:}
Jaz, Steve ,everyone,. thanks for talking.
| Dano | Day: 8
neggy , thanks for the String Cheese info will be checking it out as soon as......
Regards Dano.
| Bill/Bad songs of the 70's Contest Winners! | Day: 8
Well the results are in from the Bad Songs of the 70's Contest
and may I just say that all of the songs that were submitted
were truly BAD songs... But, as is the case in all contests,
a winner must be chosen. And so here are our "Bad Songs of the
70's" contest winners...
1st Place) Angel
This was a close one, but in the end "Afternoon Delight" takes
home the gold for being one of the most nauseating songs EVER
put to vinyl. Thanks to Angel for submitting this one.
(Now if I can just get the song out of my head...)
2nd Place) St.Al and WJAZ
Is there any doubt that "Convoy" belongs amongst the elite bad
songs of all time? "Breaker, Breaker, this is Rubber Duck c'mon
back"...Oh boy... So congratulations to St.Alphonso and WJAZ,
do you guys know your bad songs or what?
3rd Place) W1P
"Alone Again, Naturally" was a song that could ruin a good mood
in no time flat. Unfortunately, the wizards who ran AM radio at
the time felt it would be a good idea to play this song until
the entire country felt bad. Nixon resigned over this song...
Thanks W1P.
Honorable Mentions?
Honorable Mentions go out to the following folks who've shown
that they really know thier bad stuff.
LP) "Lovin' You" was a TRULY bad song.
Dano)
"I'd like to teach the world to sing"
"The Streak"
"I will survive"
ALL totally bad songs!
MU)
"Kung Fu Fighting"
"Jive Talkin'"
"The Night Chicago Died" -runner up for 3rd place!
"Philadelphia Freedom" -Sir Elton at his worst.
"Seasons in the Sun" -do we need to be reminded how bad this was?
Tones)
"Your havin' my baby" -alternatively, "You COULD be havin' my baby"
"Baby, Baby don't get hooked on me"
Aja)
"Do that to me one more time"
"Muskrat Love" -America also did this song. It sucked either way.
Chewin' on bacon, nibbling on cheeze...oh boy....
Molly)
"Billy don't be a hero" -a truly dumb song that got played and played.
Lisa G)
"Mandy" -David Berkowitz went nuts listening to this song.
Miz Ducky)
The entire repertior of Barry Manilow -who can argue with that?
Steevedan)
"I've never been to me"
"One tin soldier" -it was all downhill for Billy Jack after this.
Bad Sneakers)
Anything by the Bay City Rollers.
"Circus of heaven" by Yes
WJAZ)
"Sometimes when we touch"
"Run Joey Run"
"Eres Tu"
All truly bad songs. Might I add that WJAZ was our technical advisor
for this contest? As a past DJ, WJAZ astounded our panel of judges
with his immediate random-access recall of every single group who
ever made a bad 70's song. Truly Amazing!
Enjoy your AMC Pacer Angel!
Pat and WJAZ will have to decide who gets the lime-green nylon suit
and who gets the Pet Rock.
:)
| Midnite Cruiser | Day: 8
WIP...."poker's his thang"....I've been hearing American Band on some tv commercial lately and it got me thinking about some old Grand Funk....I cut my teeth on some of that back in the 70's....still like it.
| lcpaul | Day: 8
St Al - count your blessings that you've never had the to fly Air Madagascar - locally referred to as Air Mad, and with good reason.
jjeff - Sun City's always been a kitsch temple to consumerism - before the dismantling of apartheid - and since 1994. In fact, its veneer has only become more tacky over time. Got some great golf courses though (not that I play, just great for walks)
Steviedan - local colour to follow. At the moment we've got "Faithless" and UB40. Slim pickin's huh?
Gwen? You out there?
| Enough | Day: 8
Clas- Save it. The ohio and YMCA stories are getting old.You've been telling them over and over for the past 6 years. They weren't funny then...and they're not funny now.
| Brother, it's Lou Chang... | Day: 7
... coming up next week:
How I hopped a flight to YMCA, pissed out from a window, had breakfast at Tiffanys and on a trip down to Florida discovered Hollywood.
C
| w1p | Day: 7
Up all night with Freddie Kang, Im here to tell ya ,.. . .
| Her brother... | Day: 7
Michael Kang. Lou Kang. Coincidence?
| almost gothic negative girl | Day: 7
Dano ~ Yes, the String Cheese Incident has a website:
http://www.stringcheeseincident.com
I've seen them a few times and look forward to seeing them again, hopefully sometime soon. Excellent players, nice material, great jams, fun family vibe. Joe-Bob says check it out!
I've also seen Michael Kang (electric mandolin and fiddle) and Kyle Hollingsworth (keys) play as part of Phil Lesh and Friends, with Phil, John Molo, and Steve Kimock at the Greek Theater in Berkeley a few years back. That was a stellar afternoon and evening of fine music and big fun in a beautiful setting.
Ah, summer concert season is just around the corner. Only things missing are some Steely Dan shows.
| angel | Day: 7
No St. Al last night. Sigh.... We will try again today.
Having a good time in Lost Wages. Boy, is this place packed and the prices have gone up, since last we visited. Yikes!
When looking around the Luxor Hotel yesterday, we found one of those booths where you can make your own music video. "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" was one of the choices. I passed it up, thank you very much. I am sure D & W appreciate that. :-)
| Lisa G | Day: 7
What a week of kuh-neck-ting with folks! I have to go on break more often.
Dr. K was by t' other day asking us if we would like a direct line to Icelandic Pharmaceuticals. He could NOT stop talking about SD. I swear. He's obsessed with Donald Fagen's nose or something, as he went on and on about how his great auntÆs best friendÆs dog groomerÆs cousin was born in the same neck if the woods or something like that. Z, on the other hand, was great fun, although the good doctor wouldn't let him get in a word edgewise for most of the visit.
Had a fabulous time last night hanging with YGK at my gig. M-Thanks for sittin' in, brother. You are always welcome to crash here. DaddyG says that somehow you just fit in here.
LadyB-come see us Friday?
St. Al-sorry for your troubles. Safe trip.
| Mistress of Mayhem aka Molly | Day: 7
Hello all, I hope you have a wonderful time.I went to a church service this morning that was primarily for people with mental and/or emotional challenges.We sang a few hymns,happy birthday and an assorted array of popular songs.I was inspired by how much these people loved God,and by the joy that most of them seemed to possess.The majority of them are below poverty level,most will never be able to do most of the things that we "normal" people take for granted.Like own a car, live independently, plan a trip, fly on a plane by themselves..........I sometimes think that most of us take much for granted.I could preach about all of the appalling situations that I've encountered since I started doing advocate work.I'm sure I'd get flamed for that.No one wants to think about the social ills in our world today.We all just want to tell everyone else how special,smart,witty ........that we are.It's a drag to be stuck in an airport,and have your plans delayed.But I can cite you many examples of things much more unpleasant. The next time you find yourself annoyed at being delayed ect..try to find a way to do an act of kindness,You may just feel better. Well I'll get off my soapbox.
good news, I've figured out a way to get in touch with my friend,and not subject you all to the messy details.
| Meg Ryan | Day: 7
Nothing.
| Dr Mu isn't in now sugar, | Day: 7
...what do you want?
C
| Meg Ryan | Day: 7
Dr Mu?
| On the other hand... | Day: 7
...there's no such thing as an excotic dancer from Ohio.
And the morning after, it was like everybody knew me at the airport, the girls in the coffee-bar, the girl who's handling over the biggest beer there is, saying; -Wow, you really got it bad yesterday?
And while I am drinking the big beer there's a security guard passing me, saying, while he's walking;
-If you're drinking that beer you aint goin' with the next flight either, that's for sure.
I thought; this guy's got to be kidding, but hell, no, at time for departure, they say; -Sorry mister, you have to sober up, you'll have to wait for the afternoon flight.
Jesus Maria Magdalena.
It was at that time I realized my wallet was gone. I didn't have one cent. And it was an eight hours waiting for the next flight. There was a kind lady at a restaurant who gave me some water a couple of times that dreadful day.
Uhh, that's etched upon my mind, that weird Ohio-stuff, got to tell you that.
C
PS/ Pat, so you're out too, where are you heading?
| Clas @ Work | Day: 7
StAl, my man, I was thinking, did you get, from the Alaska Airlines, those small cupons, kind of tickets, you could use as cash in the public telephones?
Fact is, I got them, from Delta, in Cincinnati, but it wasn't until I was safe back in Sweden I understood it was telephone-stuff.
And hey, that was too late, wasn't it now, was it?
| ╡ | Day: 7
StAl: It would be absurdist, if it wasn't so frustrating. Has anyone else noticed on recent travels that NO ONE in airport security can SPEAK ENGLISH?!! There were a plethora of workers who were either small, cranky, Malaysian women or who look like terrorists themselves.
At one airport, there were two dudes in fatigue outfits, that were clearly part of the new Tommy Hilfiger Warfare Collection, were joking with each other while carrying carring AK-47s up at a 45 degree angle (didn't their Dads or command officers tell me to direct a loaded weapon at the ground when not in use?). Some middle-eastern dude with a turban sails through security while every voluptuous Janie Runaway or youg female exec gets the full "wand" treatment. Thus an hour of potential drudgery is enlivened by semi strip down searches, inspection of pumps and pearls, the wand going over and over the contours of... and questions like "do you mind if I touch you here?" While the young execs were not thrilled, the Janies seem to frolic. Beofre this slips into Cinemax After Hours..we dollyback, fade to black to...
Airport 2: In the previous airport, inspection and "entertainment" were orchestrated like clockwork. Keys and pocket contents were place in containers, handed to a Security Rent-a-Cop then either rifled through or placed on the X-ray belt. At the next airport, it's total chaos with no real system and confused passengers. I put my pocket contents into the container and gesture to hand it to an agent. A tiny, hostile Micronesian woman is attempting to match passengers with the luggage they put through th X-ray machine. The says something unintelligible to me. I stare blankly and say "Excuse me?" Then something still unintelligible back, yet louder.
"What?"
"Boowll! Put bowl in machine!"
I'm stunned for a second, then realize she wants me to put the container onto the X-ray machine myself... "That's not a bowl! That's a rectangle!!" Let's just say that I was fortunate to not have been in Cincinnati at the time...
| Gilbert @ Mating Season | Day: 7
Hey now! What's wrong with Matrimony?
| Dano | Day: 7
StAl , Hope your weekend gets better mate. Pat has the String Cheese Instrument have a website??
WIP , Made me laugh that Gilbert O"Sullivan rant?? He is still touring the UK , and was touted ....and i quote "Rivals Elton John as Britains finest singer/songwriter" in one of our national newspapers.
Made me cry with laughter that one??
Talking of touring my mate may be getting tickets for Colin Blunstone / Rod Argent....Two oldies but still worth ckecking out.
Aff tae play with the long sticks....
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaano.
| Happy Log | Day: 7
"Another example is the excellent class of nominees for album of the year. With U2 and Arie taking on Bob Dylan's excellent "Love and Theft,ö rappers Outkast's genre-expanding "Stankoniaö and the roots-music-reviving soundtrack from "O Brother, Where Art Thou?,ö any of the winners will absolve Grammy voters from the ridicule that came with last year's out-of-touch winner Steely Dan."
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/ny-grammy0224.story
The hell was that supposed to mean anyway? I wondered.
Still fuming happily,
Yours,
| Steveedan | Day: 7
St Al !!! I am sorry to hear about your Alaskan Airline Snowdrift. I hope that you got out of Sea-Tac safely with the clan. Hope you will still be able to have fun in lost wages, NV.
Miz Ducky -- you too ... beware of the winged eskimo. Get there early !!!
Oleander - I want your autograph ... and to everyone else treking to San Diego, to see Bob Tedde and Co., drummer Paul and I will see you there !!!
We're driving down early Friday to tool around in SD town (could that be Steely Dan's town?) before getting to the Kon Tiki room (reportedly upstairs from the Cannibal Bar, usual Damned venue).
Beatle "B" sides and the music of our heros ... awesome treat with some of my comrades in arms ...
I just got a CD burner for my computer. I will be making CDs of my still-under-wraps band to hand out to the GB-ers present at TSD.
After this happens, I will have to actually refer to my new band by it's name, which is ...
Nope. Not yet. But here's a hint: What did dubya choke on?
Stevee-(countdown-to-SD-Dan-Fest)-Dan
| What about them? | Day: 6
Fuck them, that's what I say.
C
| Meg Ryan | Day: 6
What about Delta Airlines then?
| Yes sugarpie? | Day: 6
What's up?
C
| Meg Ryan | Day: 6
Clas?
| Clas | Day: 6
Tell me about it Pat, I had to stay a night in Cincinnati. Lost 24 hours.
And a wallet.
+ 20 bucks, a fucking hooker said she was fixing some weed to me, the last I saw was her fat ass running into a dark alley.
You have my sympaties big Al.
Fuck Alaska Airlines!
C
| oleander | Day: 6
St. Al--What a drag. That resembles my and the Permasqueeze's adventure with Delta [loud sucking noise] two years ago en route to JazzFest, sans toddler, though. Here's hoping whoever will get us all to San Diego with a little less angst.
Dragon--Got your letter--thanks! It may take me a while, but I'm looking forward to it.
Father William--Great to meet you and Mother William! I am most fortunate to meet a Danfan with that twinkle in the eye and brilliant to boot. I'll get back to you on the aspens.
| Bill | Day: 6
Pat,
Sorry to hear of your experience at the airport.
I have one question. Why is Alaska Airlines flying to Las Vegas?
Isn't that the other direction? No wonder they'r all messed up.
Might be time to re-regulate the airline industry...
| Miz Ducky | Day: 6
StAl: Yikes! I feel your pain. I'm also making a note to get to the airport at the crack o' dawn the day I head out for San D. (via Alaska, nu, what else?).
/the Mam'zelle
(is this any way to not run an airline?)
| Doctor Warren Kruger PHD | Day: 6
As part of my new job investigating cults in the United States (looks like my PHD in Sociology of Religion finally came in handy), after being barred from any form of the practice of medicine, I decided to visit a typical GB denizen (in this case a young woman who calls herself "LG")for some material for my new book "Dangerous, Bloodthirsty Cults You Should Know About"(coming out in the third half of next year, University Press)
I was not surprised to see that "LG" and her mate "GG" lived in an otherwise harmless looking suburb on the Eastern side of the United States.
However their technicolor motor home, with the A frame design, stood out like a sore thumb in their affluent community.
I was immediately greeted at the door by 2 of their progeny, children who go by the names of "DFG" and "WBG", I think you can guess who their namesakes are!
The skinny and taller urchin was wearing dark sunglasses and carried a portable keyboard around his neck.
The smaller, fatter one had regular glasses on and carried a miniature guitar, also around his(?) neck.
This would have been quite ordinary had the 2 children been of high school age or more. But their combined ages didn't add up to more than the number of years you could count on your 2 left hands!
Although startled by this, I feigned a calm exterior as my 2 hosts greeted me with a cuban breeze(don't ask) and kirschwasser from a clam shell.
The two hosts then regaled me with DVD after CD after VHS after LP after MP3 of literally anything having to do with those two notorious cult leaders they named their children after!
I handed them a questionaire to test their knowledge of other forms of aural art and was dumbfounded to say the least!
Beethoven- They wrote down "The Dog?"
Haydn- They answered "The Planeterium?"
Schubert- They scribbled "The Theatre?"
This went on for literally pages until their predictable request for deludin scripts, which I informed them were no longer valid in the present country, but were still honored in Iceland.
They politely turned down my offer and less politely asked me to kindly leave, but not before their two urchins treated me to their rendition of a song entitled "Almost Gothic" in lovely two-part harmony with admirable voice-leading.
As I left their abode, the only question they asked me was:
"Is there gas in the car?"
I answered "Yes, there's gas in the car", and I drove off into the night, dictating my current post to m